Nice tinfoil hat. Very shiny. FYI – if you had actually read this page you would know that Barack Obama is the legitimate POTUS and any attempt to remove him (except by impeachment) is treasonous.

You should really consider switching to decaffeinated because there are lots of brands out there that taste as good as the real thing.

Or you could yell and scream some more because I hung you with your own words. You killed yourself, Mr. Propaganda. That you handed me the weapon on a silver platter is just, what is the phrase I’m looking for . . .

Funny as Hell.

And a little unfair to Vince since he deserved the coup de grace.

But the raving is kind of entertaining.

In a “look at the guy freaking out over there” kinda way.

Music to my ears.

Instead of just making claims, why don’t you try supporting one of them.

Your ramblings are full of accusations but don’t have a damn thing to back them up. You’re a shill for a fraudulent president.

You’re a failure. You couldn’t make it as an attorney because you couldn’t control your emotions. Now, you come here to try to demonstrate that you can what? -Go along with the home team?

Prof. Turley should have given you the boot a long time ago. You’re a hateful little antagonist. You wouldn’t know an honest debate if it slammed you upside the head.

If it walks like a troll and talks like a troll it must be a troll.

If it’s any consolation, I think Jim gets paid for his nonsense which makes him complicit and a whore for money. You just happen to be his huckleberry because you bought (and still buy apparently) Jim’s line of legally inane and logically unfounded crap he uses to disguise that he’s simply appalled a black man is President.

In the end, birds of a feather flock together because of similar motivation. Jim’s a racist propaganda troll. You yourself have demonstrated a stunning amount of racism. Your run with troll arguments, you know, the ones without legal or factual basis. And by looking at my watch, I see you have also wasted your slack, lackey.

Hmmmmm, smells like fresh pattern.

Occam’s razor suggest that all things being equal the simplest solution is usually the correct solution.

In a room full of trained logicians, I think you’ve just demonstrated what your team affiliation actually is with clarity and directness. You do not deny your nature, but you’ve proven you most likely don’t understand it either.

Good luck being taken seriously in these parts, cowboy. All the Sheriff’s know you’re riding a Shetland. But than again, being taken seriously isn’t your goal if you’re aligned with Jim. Your goal is to create distraction from real issues and play to the basest of emotions to attract the basest to your cause.

You said: “Slart the left said there were tens of thousands. The press secretary said what march. The park ranger service said close to two million and a record. Believe what you wish.” I don’t believe anything on a subject like this – I wait for information and analysis before making a determination of how many people I think were there – I found Nate Silver’s analysis most persuasive. As he points out, 2 million people would have had an effect on DC similar to the inauguration which would be impossible to hide (and didn’t happen). This type of big lie is practically trademarked by the Republicans (there are WMD in Iraq, Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11, etc.) and that you even consider it possible speaks to volumes about your gullibility. As for ACORN, there are more voter fraud investigations into Ann Coulter than ACORN and they haven’t received any billions from the government – they are, however, free to compete with hundreds of other organizations for some federal grants which are part of the stimulus plan, what’s wrong with that?

and for this there is a remedy: next time, vote for someone else. better still become involved in a campaign if a candidate will have you.
bitching about how a president has disappointed you on the internet is probably the last useful thing you can do

Apparently the Hawaiian Chapter of AXJ has discovered the original divorce documents filed in 1964, and among them has discovered that Stanley Ann Dunham (with the help of others) did in fact present a Certificate of Live Birth of a child born in Mobassa, Kenya, which is being studied to see if in fact it belongs to a child by the name of Barack Hussein Obama, II, although Barack Hussein Obama Sr. never admitted to having a son, was never notified of any divorce documents filed against him, and was killed in Kenya for political reasons.

The document presented by the Hawaiian Authorities includes a number “19″ that does not correspond to any numbering order in the documents recorded in 1961, and they know it.

This report needs to be confirmed, it conflates Tom Mboya’s assassination and Senior’s death in an automobile accident.

Wouldn’t have these things being said if the President released his original BC.

I warned you to consider that a man is often judged by the company he keeps.

Which brings it full circle about the company the president keeps. Wonder why they fight so hard to not release the Whitehouse visitors log.

Buddah my views are my views, it is who I am. Right or Wrong in someone elses view. I am who I am, I be who I be.

I said what I said, it can not be taken back, I understand that. Name calling and labels do not do anyone justice but distracts from the topic at hand. The name calling and labels showed up as soon as my first couple of post when I came here. I won’t let it bother me anymore. This comes from a man who has been called racial slurs most of his child life and had to accept it.

Thanks for the comment

A left handed compliment about my choice in provocative tactics isn’t such a good idea from someone who dropped the “Christ Killer” bomb.

For the record, I don’t write for your approval and I’ll call a name when I see fit. It’s called taunting your opponent. If you don’t think lawyer’s do this with varying degrees of subtly depending upon the venue and to different effect, you don’t know lawyer’s very well. That’s why really good ones have skin as thick as a castle wall. This is part of the education being provided here to the student’s proper – learn to separate the wheat from the chaff. Distraction tactics vs. real argument. You are still focused on the chaff. It’s not the taunting that counts as much as it’s the arguments proper – of which you and Jim have resoundingly lost on this subject.

And Jimmy boy ended up pinned to the wall like a Neocon fascist supporting troll butterfly for his efforts. An exposed bad actor by his own admission.

So I’m going to have to say, “What mespo said” and wish you luck on digging out of that hole. Because right there in the post in question, you’ve pulled dirt back down into the hole. That’s counterproductive. You have problems with Obama? Hell, so do I as do many of the other regulars as well. I’ve called him a liar outright on several subjects. I’ve called him worse. I just made sure they were actually a valid subjects to attack him on first. The problem is you chose to rail against is not only a loser legally and logically, you played right into the hands of the Neocon propaganda masters who want to distract YOU from directing that distrust of Obama into something concrete – like demanding war crimes prosecutions for the Bush Administration. It’s made you look like a foolish dupe to the agenda of others – others with a proven track record for villainy. Others who put this country in the dire shape it is in today so they could make a profit. Personal wealth and party before nation! – the true war cry of the modern Neocon GOP.

You don’t want to be considered a troll? Quit espousing their nonsense and defending them like you do. It’s called guilt by association.

I warned you to consider that a man is often judged by the company he keeps.

It appears you were not paying too close attention to that lesson either.

“I offer my statement of not from a legal mind, but of that as a common man.”

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All too “common,” it seems.

The people who question the presidents birth should have raised their questions to their Member of Congress and their Senators last December, when the electoral votes were counted in joint session. They should have made their claims of usurpation back then. Failing that, they now have no constitutional resource other than impeachment.

My answer
This is why Cheney is/was named in suits. By law, Cheney, during the certification of those votes was to call for objections. When it got to that point Ms. Pellosi jumped spontaneously out of her chair and begins clapping wildly. I watch the proceeding on c-span. Cheney never ask whether anyone had any objections. Once again Cheney broke the law.

I have said it time and again. This president was billed as the great unifier. Someone who wishes to unite the people must go out of his way to unite. He ran as a centrist, he is no centrist. He ran as a someone who claimed he would be the most transparent ever but remains invisible. I can see right thru him.

I realize my statement has no legal effect and this discussion is on legalities. I offer my statement of not from a legal mind, but of that as a common man.

“I haven’t seen you contribute anything to this debate.

Perhaps you would do well to read the comments; then you can decide who is slinging mud.”

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“hy don’t you tell us why it is so important for Obama to hide the name of the doctor who delivered him, and the name of the local registrar?”

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In reverse order, I have and I just did.

Obama probably takes my approach that one need not dignify the rantings and blathering questions of fools with an intelligent reply. It’s rather like expecting something worthwhile to come from talking to animals–try as you might you can’t make them understand the most simple thing about the environment they live in. An apt analogy here, I would say.

guff-HAW

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

booo hooo

ROFLMAO

If that’s the best you got now, sport, I’m afraid I’m just going to have to keep laughing in your face, you propagandist weenie. I hope your bosses are reading all of this because you are so demoted to making signs for the teabaggers.

LOL
ROFLMAO

Oh, man. That’s classic.

Only 25% of Americans Have a Positive Image of Lawyers

I don’t know how many times I have to tell your dumb ass I never practiced in Kansas and I’m not disbarred. But it’s nice to see you’ve returned to the same level of tactic as questioning my patriotism, you propagandist Neocon hack.

You want to talk about a day of reckoning, sport?

It’s your type that’s going to be in the the rude lessons, Jimmy.

You just lost and lost hard.

I didn’t expect you to be a gracious loser based on past performance. I expected you to act like a prick which is exactly what you did. Thanks for proving me right again.

It only goes down here from here for you, admitted propagandist. You might as well said you work for Dick Cheny and PNAC.

Yeah, I really suck a logic and argument, Jim. That’s why I just nailed you. You should have just let it lay that Vince beat you. Hey, you’re the one who admitted you are an actual propagandist. I just delivered the coup de grace to the opening you gave me in your arrogance.

Buh bye, Loser.

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(Vince, I hope I didn’t poach your kill as it were. I just couldn’t believe what he was stupid enough to type. It was a money shot.)

Since you like to be so philosphical, why don’t you tell us why it is so important for Obama to hide the name of the doctor who delivered him, and the name of the local registrar?

I haven’t seen you contribute anything to this debate.

Perhaps you would do well to read the comments; then you can decide who is slinging mud.

“He who throws mud loses ground’” and attacking the messenger does nothing to undermine the message. Basic logic and argument skills seemingly lost on you, but more importantly basic humanity–something Birthers have in short supply.

Yes Budha, I’m talking about you.

Why don’t you tell everyone about what caused you to lose your license? A little embarassed? I would be too.

What’s the matter? Not much work for you? Even as a paralegal?

What you just said is an admission to the charges above.

You are nothing more than disingenuous propagandists engaged in an dishonorable enterprise. That you care not for winning the argument – and rest assured that ship never left the harbor – but insist on being belligerent and obnoxious on an issue you have lost on factual, logical and legal basis’s just shows that what Mike charges and I second is true.

bdman may just be a rube who bought your Barnum act, Jimmy, but you were labeled propaganda troll from day one but the regulars who ALL saw through your bullshit. It’s refreshing you finally admit you’re a propagandist with an specific anti-Obama agenda. Now since Vince has proven that your claims are ridiculous and untrue, this begs the question of what could possibly be your motivation for continuing to make your wild claims after being so thoroughly discredited?

Well, bdaman already screwed up and showed his racists side although he’s been claiming remorse. You should let him speak for himself. The proof of that remorse will be in the eating of the pudding. Because if he’s serious, this will be where you and bdaman part ways.

Because I’m thinking racism is EXACTLY your problem, Jimmy boy. That and/or someone is paying you to be a propagandist – a lying distortionist out to mislead purposefully the public and create distraction from real issues.

Because staying around being obnoxious solely for the “told you so” factor? That’s sad, childish and pathetic in the extreme. So which is it Jim? What are your motivations to keep flogging this log?

Racist,
paid schill,
racist paid schill,
childish pathetic churl and general jackass or
racist paid schill childish pathetic churl and general jackass.

Those are pretty much your options for motivation now that you have admitted you are indeed an actual troll.

bdaman,

You need to doing some of that heavy introspection you’ve been talking about right now. You need to be doing it REAL HARD. It might help you get some sleep. And recall you can tell a lot about about a man by the company he keeps.

We are here to refute your nonsensical claims.

One day we will see Obama’s vault certificate. That day America will know the truth.

“Mr. Treacy performed here with honor and distinction…. Mr. Treacy’s example as aspirational as well. He was dogged, methodical, logical, passionate and on point but he never lost his sense of humor or his sense of proportion.”

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As to Vince, we have come to expect nothing less. Bravo.

Right you are to say that no obligation rests on the aggrieved party to “put the rumors to rest.” Rumors are the currency of busybodies and those with weak minds. You could no more put rumors to rest than put to rest those with these afflictions–they are simply too ubiquitous.

I find your argument persuasive.

I say we preserve this thread like a diorama encased in amber. A display of Vince’s kung fu to be admired both in both form and function. A testament to persistence and precision. None reading to this point doubt the victor if they are possessed of the slightest wit and honest disposition both internally and externally. Logic and the rules of evidence win the day.

Now that victory is secure, to further the play the game plays as you say. To debunk them and demolish their arguments is one thing. We risk diminishing the victory by lending them credibility in acknowledging this is even a discussion worthy topic any more.

I’ll address the birther issue no more.

Vince Treacy, I recently told someone out camera that you were owed a steak and a medal for your service on this thread. I meant that and more.

To the regulars and Professor’s students, I’d like to leave this parting thought.

All of the here regulars with law backgrounds have carried the yeoman’s load from time to time when the Art becomes the subject proper, but Mr. Treacy performed here with honor and distinction. While inspirational, all of the Professor’s student reading this blog should look to Mr. Treacy’s example as aspirational as well. He was dogged, methodical, logical, passionate and on point but he never lost his sense of humor or his sense of proportion.

I’d be proud to sit co-counsel or square against you in court any day, Vince. I just know on the opposing days, I’d be bringing the A+ game or I’d be getting a thrashing.

Mr. Vince Treacy, Esq., I salute you!

(I invite the student’s who have gained the value herein to take a moment and express their thanks to Mr. Treacy for his efforts and example. He’s earned it. And it’s good manners. Make mom proud.)

From the first Federal dollar Acorn received up until the recent election, Acorn received approximately 56 million dollars. Now after the election Acorn was/is on tap to receive 10 BILLION thats with a B, of federal money, was lined up to run the census and as you well know, how you count the heads means which states receives the most money. Remember the republican nominee who withdrew from the Commerce dept when he found out Acorn was moving into the Whitehouse and was gonna run the census.

Yea, Acorn may not be as powerful, but they were and could still be on there way. Let us not forget that the president first big “community organizer” jobs involved ACORN. The president also trained ACORN employees. He represented ACORN in court. The president worked with and protested with ACORN. His campaign donated $800,000 to ACORN this year for voter registration efforts in which they are now named in various voter registration fraud suits along with this recent scandal.

ACORN canvassed for Obama this year. Is this the type of organization that should continue to apply and receive federal dollars? Should the president continue his meetings with this type of organization? There’s alot more to come on this and you will be surprised when it comes from the members of the community that Acorn is suppose to be helping. Go read my link above to Star Parker.

In the case of the president, who was recently called a liar, as I have stated on this thread, a righteous man would come forward and say I know many of you have questions about my birthplace, I provided a COLB but you still doubted me, therefore I give you my long form proving once and for all, that I was born in Hawaii.

The question about his status at birth, he himself along with Factcheck as you know, has already been discussed. Most people are focused on the Long Form BC. If that was provided and it conclusively showed Hawaii to be the place of birth, it’s over.

Now ask yourself why the president of the United States would allow a constant and growing conspiracy that involves lots of time and money by the U.S. attorney’s office, his own personal money(There are claims of a million) and the trust of the American people to continue to fester when he could do the righteous thing. Seriously why would anybody let that happen.

Thank you for illustrating the phenomenon that I was describing to bdaman. You have thrown a bunch of facts, distortions, and logical fallacies at the wall and you are calling it a mural of a massive conspiracy. All of the things that you point to have been debunked or explained by (mostly) Vince on this thread and your overall implication (if (this was on the up an up) then (all this stuff wouldn’t have happened)) is a logical statement with no support whatsoever (and likely untrue) stated as undeniable fact. Do you really think that any rational person is going to believe all this crap? Especially when sitting right next to it is a thoughtful and thorough rebuttal of all your arguments and a debunking of all of your misinformation.

Mike A,

As usual, well said. As you can see, I will still engage with anonymous people (and, of course, I use a pseudonym myself), but I understand and respect your position. However, I think that it is important for misinformation to be called out lest any casual reader (as if any of those remain on this thread) wrongly believe it unopposed.

If this was all on the up and up:

Obama would have released his COLB to the mainstream media..not the Daily Kos.
Factcheck wouldn’t call the certification a certificate.
Factcheck wouldn’t be lying about Obama’s dual citizenship.

Obama wouldn’t find a need to keep the name of the doctor who delivered him, or the local registrar from the public eye.

The Kenyan government wouldn’t be calling him a “son of the soil” of Kenya.

His grandmother wouldn’t have said that he was born in Kenya.

The Director of the Hawaii DOH wouldn’t be declaring that he is a “natural born American citizen”, when she his situation is still up for debate.

What do you have to refute the evidence? An unsigned piece of paper, and the word of somebody who was an unknown before the 2004 convention.

To not have a desire to see his vault certificate is reckless.

If you turned your children over to a person with that little background knowledge, and your child was injured by that person..you would likely be charged with criminal negligence.

What has happened here is that we have permitted rumors, allegations, suspicions and slander to be treated as respectable subjects of discourse. We have made it worse by insisting that the subjects of rumors somehow prove their falsity. This is nonsensical and contrary to both legal tradition and American notions of fundamental fairness.

Suppose that I started a rumor that someone with whom I have disagreed on this site is actually a pedophile who has been in prison and is using his anonymity to cover up his past and search for new victims. Suppose I then repeated the rumors on many different sites. Suppose I even created new sites devoted to pillorying the victim of my rumors. Then suppose I remarked that an honest person with nothing to hide would have come forward to prove that he was not in fact a child molester and would reveal his true identity, emphasizing that the victim of my rumors had failed to do that. Would I have the right to demand that the individual come forward and prove his innocence? Would I have the right to demand that it be proven to my personal satisfaction based upon my personal standards as to what constitutes acceptable evidence? Would I have the right to assert that the failure of the victim of my rumors to comply with my demands was itself proof of the truthfulness of the rumors? I believe that rational persons acting in good faith would agree that the only appropriate answer to each of the foregoing questions is “no.”

Nevertheless, what I have proposed is precisely what has occurred. Every single site promoting assertions on the birther issue is anonymous. Every single individual linking to those sites is anonymous. Every single person on this site who has commented favorably on the birther assertions has done so anonymously. Prior to the advent of the internet, people who engaged in spreading rumors were regarded as cowards. I see no reason to accord respectability to an abhorrent practice simply because it is performed electronically. Therefore, I have come to a personal decision that I will no longer comment upon, or respond to comments, from anonymous bloggers citing to anonymous sources. I am not attempting to convert anyone to my views. I am simply stating my position so that my failure in the future will be properly understood for what it is, a decision on my part not to participate in what I firmly believe to be a dishonorable enterprise.

I’m a big believer that one should always use wine when cooking – added liberally to the chef as needed.

bdaman,

You say that there are a lot of dots being connected – I think you are making the standard mistake of the conspiracy theorist: you find a pattern in a bunch of disparate dots and race to tell the world about your newfound truth never realizing that the picture you were looking at is a Rorschach test. It wasn’t the 2 million birther march (also, I’ll look at several different sources before I decide who’s number to believe about the size of the protests), and the idea that ACORN is an evil organization on par with SPECTRE or CHAOS is a delusion spawned in the fetid swamps of FOX news propaganda machine – how many times do you think Mickey Mouse voted? And, just so you know, Glen Beck is either a total nutjob or he plays one on TV (and the radio), he is not in any way a journalist or a source of reliable information.

Vince,

And we should just take your word, and the word of the DC bar and George Washington University at face value? Just how gullible do you think we are? I was personally alive and over one year in age for the entirety of 1971 and I never heard about you graduating! The search for the real Vince Treacy is just getting started folks…

I don’t waste any time thinking about your question because I don’t believe their is any chance of it happening. If the SCOTUS ruled that Barack Obama was not a natural born citizen that would certainly effect my opinion, but I can’t think of anything that would make me believe (as in faith without evidence rather than proof) that the president is ineligible for his office. As a scientist, I’m always trying to be open to different directions if new facts warrant a re-evaluation of my analysis, but I’m not holding my breath awaiting the arrival of anything new in this case and based on what I know now, I’m confident that Barack Obama is the legitimate president. As for Orly’s evidence or lack thereof, I agree with what Mike A said (except for the part about judges’ patience which I have no knowledge of) from what I’ve seen of Dr. Taitz, it seems that she is either incompetent or corrupt and I have no reason to suspect that she is corrupt.

Sorry, to your first question. Slart to me there is alot that points to fraud. There are alot of dots that are being connected right now and I’m not alone. In case you missed it there were upwards of 2 million people that marched on D.C. this weekend. The momentum is building. Look at Acorn in which the President is so closely aligned. Voter registration fraud cases, now they been taped in three different locations over the sex thing. Glen Beck says wait til you see the one they release tomorrow. It’s all connected for me, this whole ordeal will be exposed once all the dots are connected. Somebody somewhere is gonna slip up and the truth will come out.

Pastissada

2 pounds dead horse meat, preferably beaten to death by people with little or no sense about the rules of evidence or much else
2 ounces lard or porkback fat, a fatted politician may be subsituted
2-3 carrots, cut into slivers
2 sticks celery, diced
1 large onion, diced
4 cloves
a dozen coriander seeds
1 bay leaf
1 clove garlic (Omit if you’re using fat from a Neocon Republican, causes highly energetic reaction much like using the much harder to find True Vampire fat. If you must use Neocon fat, safety suggests making this dish outdoors. Think “Flaming Deep Fried Turkey”.)
2 bottles Italian red wine, one for the sauce and one to drink while cooking, extra bottle may be used to club, er, sedate the politicians you are harvesting fat from.
flour, enough to brown the meat with
1/4 cup olive oil
salt & pepper to taste
1 Tbsp. butter kneaded into enough flour to make a small ball
paprika to taste

Slather the meat with the lard and slivers of carrots. Dice the other vegetables and put them, with the meat and spices (except the paprika) in a bowl. Pour the wine over everything, then cover and marinate in the refrigerator for three days, turning the meat occasionally.

Pat the meat dry with paper towel (keep the vegetables and the marinade), flour it, and brown it in the oil over a brisk flame. Add the vegetables. When they’ve cooked for a few minutes, pour the marinade over the meat. Reduce the heat to a simmer and cook for about three hours. Once the meat is done, remove it to a platter saving the sauce that has been formed with the marinade.

Return the sauce to the fire, thicken it with the butter-flour ball, and season it to taste with paprika

There is nothing in section 25 that affects the sole power of impeachment.

They did not even have birth certificates at the time the Constitution was drafted.

All the stuff linked by Birther is old discredited news. He posted the old RSOL posting that includes a shot of the Rainbow letter. The yellow highlighted portion was written by the reporter, not quoted from the sister. This has already been explained to bda, and now it has to be explained to birther. To repeat, BOTH hospitals were named after Queens, and can be confused. That UPI posting was wrong, in error, and not factual, and that is why it was withdrawn; all that is posted is a captured view. Same with Snopes.

Of course, a hospital cannot answer questions about babies born in it because of privacy, but Kapi’olani’s newsletter proudly reprinted Obama’s letter of congratulations in which he said he had been born there.