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	<title>Comments on: Federal Judge Calls for Investigation of &#8220;The Civil Equivalent of the Ted Stevens Case&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Gary T</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/07/30/federal-judge-calls-for-investigation-of-the-civil-equivalent-of-the-ted-stevens-case/#comment-71920</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t the appropriate remedy for &quot;losing&quot; discovery evidence, or otherwise not producing it, having the allegations sought by the other party preemptorily then taken as true?
Such a sanction would discourage loss of such evidence, as it would show no advantage to such loss.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the appropriate remedy for &#8220;losing&#8221; discovery evidence, or otherwise not producing it, having the allegations sought by the other party preemptorily then taken as true?<br />
Such a sanction would discourage loss of such evidence, as it would show no advantage to such loss.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymously Yourss</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/07/30/federal-judge-calls-for-investigation-of-the-civil-equivalent-of-the-ted-stevens-case/#comment-71108</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymously Yourss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does Ford Pinto ring a bell?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Ford Pinto ring a bell?</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the article:

&quot;According to attorneys for the protesters, the District has lost a key computer record and 12 paper copies of a &quot;running résumé,&quot; a police log of the officers&#039; actions that day.

The government has also produced tapes of radio calls that are missing stretches of transmissions during key moments of the arrests, the attorneys said.

Jonathan Turley, an attorney for the protesters, called for an independent investigation of the attorney general&#039;s office. Another lawyer for the protesters, Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, said she had never seen such &quot;a breathtaking destruction of evidence before.&quot;

The government stands to lose millions in the suits and has spent more than $1 million in legal fees for private attorneys representing Ramsey and another top police official, Peter J. Newsham, who has said he ordered the arrests. A handful of protesters settled suits over the mass arrests, costing the city more money.&quot;

If you had it, and you &quot;lost&quot; it, &quot;it&quot; must have been really bad. That, in a nutshell, is the essence of the spoliation of evidence doctrine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the article:</p>
<p>&#8220;According to attorneys for the protesters, the District has lost a key computer record and 12 paper copies of a &#8220;running résumé,&#8221; a police log of the officers&#8217; actions that day.</p>
<p>The government has also produced tapes of radio calls that are missing stretches of transmissions during key moments of the arrests, the attorneys said.</p>
<p>Jonathan Turley, an attorney for the protesters, called for an independent investigation of the attorney general&#8217;s office. Another lawyer for the protesters, Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, said she had never seen such &#8220;a breathtaking destruction of evidence before.&#8221;</p>
<p>The government stands to lose millions in the suits and has spent more than $1 million in legal fees for private attorneys representing Ramsey and another top police official, Peter J. Newsham, who has said he ordered the arrests. A handful of protesters settled suits over the mass arrests, costing the city more money.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you had it, and you &#8220;lost&#8221; it, &#8220;it&#8221; must have been really bad. That, in a nutshell, is the essence of the spoliation of evidence doctrine.</p>
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		<title>By: GWLawSchoolMom</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/07/30/federal-judge-calls-for-investigation-of-the-civil-equivalent-of-the-ted-stevens-case/#comment-71006</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GWLawSchoolMom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[is it possible to be astonished and at the same time not surprised?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is it possible to be astonished and at the same time not surprised?</p>
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		<title>By: lottakatz</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/07/30/federal-judge-calls-for-investigation-of-the-civil-equivalent-of-the-ted-stevens-case/#comment-70966</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lottakatz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Way to go Professor!

Missing docs? Sure. I&#039;ve run into that a time or two but I&#039;ve never had to endure the insult of an opposer use it as a reason to &#039;lobby&#039; for more money. 

From linked article:  &quot;After the judge&#039;s harangue, the District&#039;s attorney, Thomas Koger, had tears in his eyes. He declined to comment.&quot;

I know that professionals are well beyond such things but If I were present when a referee lit into an opposer so strongly that it made him cry, well, it would sure have done my petty little heart good. I do though hope you enjoyed it for all it was worth, in an entirely professional manner of course.  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to go Professor!</p>
<p>Missing docs? Sure. I&#8217;ve run into that a time or two but I&#8217;ve never had to endure the insult of an opposer use it as a reason to &#8216;lobby&#8217; for more money. </p>
<p>From linked article:  &#8220;After the judge&#8217;s harangue, the District&#8217;s attorney, Thomas Koger, had tears in his eyes. He declined to comment.&#8221;</p>
<p>I know that professionals are well beyond such things but If I were present when a referee lit into an opposer so strongly that it made him cry, well, it would sure have done my petty little heart good. I do though hope you enjoyed it for all it was worth, in an entirely professional manner of course.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: A Working Class Pirate is Something to Be</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/07/30/federal-judge-calls-for-investigation-of-the-civil-equivalent-of-the-ted-stevens-case/#comment-70940</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Working Class Pirate is Something to Be]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pardon us, but what the hell exactly has been going on over at DOJ lately?  I&#039;m not sure if there&#039;s the equivalent of Brady evidence in a civil context, but if there&#039;s discovery violations on the DOJ&#039;s civil side precisely whose interest are they honestly claiming to protect?

We be highly interested to find out how much of this stems from the previous administrations hiring practices or if this is an ongoing problem just recently culminating?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon us, but what the hell exactly has been going on over at DOJ lately?  I&#8217;m not sure if there&#8217;s the equivalent of Brady evidence in a civil context, but if there&#8217;s discovery violations on the DOJ&#8217;s civil side precisely whose interest are they honestly claiming to protect?</p>
<p>We be highly interested to find out how much of this stems from the previous administrations hiring practices or if this is an ongoing problem just recently culminating?</p>
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		<title>By: Former Federal LEO</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/07/30/federal-judge-calls-for-investigation-of-the-civil-equivalent-of-the-ted-stevens-case/#comment-70938</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Former Federal LEO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the link Jill provided:
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&quot;Despite Huvelle&#039;s ruling, U.S. attorneys said they might pursue a new case against Jawad.&quot;
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The young man deserves his freedom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the link Jill provided:<br />
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<p>&#8220;Despite Huvelle&#8217;s ruling, U.S. attorneys said they might pursue a new case against Jawad.&#8221;<br />
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<p>The young man deserves his freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/07/30/federal-judge-calls-for-investigation-of-the-civil-equivalent-of-the-ted-stevens-case/#comment-70934</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dredd,

Thanks for that link and I agree about JT&#039;s team.  I doubt this evidence is truly MIA, anymore than the tapes of CIA interrogations are &quot;disappeared&quot;--somebody has it all and they need to start leaking.

BTW, the govt. just lost in their attempt to keep imprisoning a detainee who was about 12 when the US captured and tortured him.  

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/07/30-9]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dredd,</p>
<p>Thanks for that link and I agree about JT&#8217;s team.  I doubt this evidence is truly MIA, anymore than the tapes of CIA interrogations are &#8220;disappeared&#8221;&#8211;somebody has it all and they need to start leaking.</p>
<p>BTW, the govt. just lost in their attempt to keep imprisoning a detainee who was about 12 when the US captured and tortured him.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/07/30-9" rel="nofollow">http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/07/30-9</a></p>
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		<title>By: Former Federal LEO</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/07/30/federal-judge-calls-for-investigation-of-the-civil-equivalent-of-the-ted-stevens-case/#comment-70932</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Former Federal LEO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the Washington Post link provided in the article:
_________________________________

{Quote:

Nickles said in an interview that his agency needed more money to create systems to better manage its records. He said that he has tried to reach a settlement with the protesters but that their &quot;demands are far out of reach.&quot; 

End Quote}
_________________________________

How can we learn what the &quot;demands&quot; are from the protesters for a settlement?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Washington Post link provided in the article:<br />
_________________________________</p>
<p>{Quote:</p>
<p>Nickles said in an interview that his agency needed more money to create systems to better manage its records. He said that he has tried to reach a settlement with the protesters but that their &#8220;demands are far out of reach.&#8221; </p>
<p>End Quote}<br />
_________________________________</p>
<p>How can we learn what the &#8220;demands&#8221; are from the protesters for a settlement?</p>
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		<title>By: Dredd</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/07/30/federal-judge-calls-for-investigation-of-the-civil-equivalent-of-the-ted-stevens-case/#comment-70925</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dredd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Damn find job as lead counsel Professor. Your team has its s*** together, and the United States can be proud.

The fraggin freakin police arrogance and domination over the people has got to go.

And if it has to go one case at a time, everyone take note of this one.

The link is:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/29/AR2009072903501.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn find job as lead counsel Professor. Your team has its s*** together, and the United States can be proud.</p>
<p>The fraggin freakin police arrogance and domination over the people has got to go.</p>
<p>And if it has to go one case at a time, everyone take note of this one.</p>
<p>The link is:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/29/AR2009072903501.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/29/AR2009072903501.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: 2l</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[2l]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nothing is weirder than this story

http://www.abc26.com/news/local/wgno-news-stormy072909-story,0,5561582.story?track=rss]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nothing is weirder than this story</p>
<p><a href="http://www.abc26.com/news/local/wgno-news-stormy072909-story,0,5561582.story?track=rss" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc26.com/news/local/wgno-news-stormy072909-story,0,5561582.story?track=rss</a></p>
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