Perhaps, you don’t believe in the anointed Son of God, Jesus Christ. Go to the New Testament and read about who God gave spiritual authority to. Go to the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
written by Apostle John.

You are an ignorant and unwise person. I feel sorry for your future as a leader of blind sheep.
Rev. Dr. A.W. Huguley, Agape Ministries of Reconciliation.

Your own evilness that you are teaching regarding God’s servant
will become your own prophecy. You are speaking your own
condemnation. You will reap what you sow. Vengeance belongs to the Lord, not to you. God will judge everybody. Who made you God. You need to repent and ask God for forgiveness.

You are not a Pastor from God, you are a messenger from the Devil hmself. You hate President Obama because God made him to be a black man. It is God who has made us, and not we ourselves. You are a false teacher and should be exposed.

Prophet A.W. Wicker

Exactly!

Sigh.

i can’t remember who said this but it was in response to some english-only legislation proposal. it was a christian tv pastor: If english was good enough for jesus christ it’s good enough for you.
i really did hear this.

since I’ve been one of the main players in this conversation, let me respond thusly: I could care less who calls themselves what. seriously. there are times when people become wildly offensive while wearing any number of religious and secular costumes. religion is meant to guide its adherents toward becoming better people, at least that’s how I read their various handbooks. i dont know if this anderson guy went to pastor school or not. he has a pulpit and his congregants choose to put their asses in his church every sunday. either he reflects their choices and ideas or he doesn’t. clearly he is christian enough for his congregants and for his own internal compass even if we don’t care for the direction it points.

not in any universe I live in. there are scores of major differences beyond the divinity of christ and the second coming stuff.
transubstantiation springs to mind. so does intercessionary prayer. confession. sin. heaven and hell. mary. ok so the pope wears a beanie that resembles a yarmulke…

I agree with what you have stated in the conversion process and it was (or is my understanding) that it was the immersion of oneself into the faith, where one could then become a “Jesusite” (Christian). Christ literally means anointed, so who anointed this person, they call Jesus. That is the dividing issue. True Catholicism is closer to the practices of Judaism, with the exception that the messiah already came and will return.
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“there are some fascinating combinations of older religions and catholicism, like that day of the dead stuff practiced in mexico and elements of santeria practiced in the carribean and africa.”
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Not all Catholics pay homage to Rome. The Santeria certainly do not. I cannot find the book that I have which show the Catholics which do not subscribe alliance to Rome. I think it has more to do with “Who Holds the Money than religiosity anymore.

once Paul made it unnecessary for pagans to first become jews it was really easy. initially, pagans had to become jews, males had to get circumcised and all had to keep laws such as kashruth. paul decided that they could skip all that and go right to belief in jesus.
once you believe in one god it isn’t that hard to believe in others.
there are some fascinating combinations of older religions and catholicism, like that day of the dead stuff practiced in mexico and elements of santeria practiced in the carribean and africa.

gee, thanks for the lesson.
but you miss the point. it is too easy for christians to say that so-and-so can’t be a real christian because they say and do stuff that is embarrassing to you. what makes this pastor a christian is not that he says he is one, although that is good enough for me and apparently for him but that he believes that jesus died on the cross for his sins and then rose from the dead and that humans are saved by grace and all their sins are forgiven. faith, not works, is the guidepost for protestant beliefs. catholics add works to this.
this guy is not catholic.
so while you may not want to sit next to this guy in church or attend services in his house of worship, you also do not get to decide that he can’t be a real christian.
real christians, like real jews and real muslims and real hindus do and say all kinds of terrible stuff. if you are looking for perfection in others you will be disappointed and guilty of sin yourself.

And anyone who as has read the Old Testament would invariably conclude that he is, indeed, very Christian.
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That is easy for a civilized person to state, however I would say that in the old books found in the bible, they would not even acknowledge any other faith but what was in front of them. That is why the pagans were easy to convert. Plurality of Deities.

“Additionally, any half-way rational person who has ever read the New Testament would clearly know that Mr. Anderson is not a Christian, just by the hateful words he speaks.”

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And anyone who as has read the Old Testament would invariably conclude that he is, indeed, very Christian.

I thought we were playing D&D, not Rifts. O.k. I’m done geeking out.

of course he is christian. you can’t deny him his faith because other things he believes are embarrassing to you. faith, as they say, is the true shibboleth. if he, and I believe he does, believe that jesus christ is his savior and he is saved by grace it does not also mean that he can’t be a hater.
christians love the sinner, do they not?
they love the imperfect.
this man is exactly as christian as he says he is, claims to be.
your analogy is flawed for no amount of faith can make you queen of england and by faith alone christians are judged.

I think that you will find very few if any Christians among the so called ‘christian right’. I am privileged to have some very devout Christians among my family and they are disgusted by people like this cloaking their hate in the trappings of Christianity.

Gyges,

Level 16 Psychohistorian.

p.s. I am pleased in a major geek way that the word ‘psychohistorian’ is in my browser’s spelling dictionary;-)

Level 12 Necromancer.

Jesus is pretty badass in those, isn’t he?

Sorry, I only use the King James, I mean 4th edition rules.

I’m not sure I like what’s being implied here. What do you mean I failed my saving throw? You didn’t even have the correct components to cast that spell – and I get +2 to all saves against lawyers…

I should say I didn’t mean to imply that you’d ever hang around the kind of people that would debate D&D rules, but I’m pretty sure at the very least Slarti will understand that comparison.

Theological debates remind me of the discussions I always overheard from my D&D playing room-mate and her friends.

“They are vicious in their hatred and terrified of what they do not understand. They are a pox on humanity and a stain on the values of our nation. Rev. Anderson needs to be called out as the vile, pernicious influence that he is.”

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Agreed my friend, but he is the logical extension of a belief system that is so muddled and contradictory that most any vice can march under it’s banner. Theological debates remind me a parsing pepper for fly specks: tedious, irritating , and ultimately pointless.

“One of the great things about this site is that is brings together Christians, Jews, atheists, agnostics and, occasionally, a member of the Muslim faith.”

You’re only young once, but you can be Jungian forever.

Is not the Baptist a separate and distinct religion based upon its date in historical times similar to problems of dissatisfaction with Rome? If memory serves correctly it was the Baptist that were in Armenia (Anabaptist), then the Episcopal, Methodist (Salvation Army), Lutheran and then Presbyterian which separated from Rome? Not necessarily in that order.

I did a stint of about 14 months in the ESSW in Austin, before figuring that there was more politics in the church than in the legislature. More Egos to stoke if you want the right assignment. Then off to Law School I went.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8226329.stm

. . . or I could just join the Unitarian Church. (snark)
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That is bad. Good but bad.

The purpose of the enrollment drive is to convert those to our way of life. You don’t have to believe to become a member. This is your choice. Seating will be limited to the first 30 thousand paying $50.00 enrollment and membership fees to join. There is a one time processing fee of $125.00.

I hope to see you soon as I believe that you will not feel as fleeced. We are open to suggestions at anytime. We will have a special box for the $25.00 suggestions; $50.00 suggestions $75.00 and $1000.00. Of course with all we will read according to the box that has the least suggestions first.

It is Our Divine belief that we have no deity to follow. Please make time to learn about the undivine.

The Very Most Reverend of Agnosticism

I did not have time to listen to the video. Yes it is true. That rhetoric is a “tad” bit out of hand. I wonder if he has a large congregation? I hope not, he should resign and go into the mountains for a few years for personal reflection.

Oh well, those crazy christian conservatives, what are you going to do with them? You cant live with em and you cant kill em.

Hopefully the “good” reverends “prayer” will fall on deaf ears.

why Carol, dear, just who are you calling wingnuts?
and why can’t a christian pastor pray for the death of a president? because you say so because it embarrasses you to be a christian when one of your own does stuff like this?
just to be clear, faith does not exclude hatred.
never did. never will.

And btw wingnuts, no Christian pastor ever prayed for the death of a president. No matter how despicable they were.

just because we don’t believe in god doesn’t mean that we can’t be morons.
how’s that for stupid?

You mean like the Church of Atheism? http://firstchurchofatheism.com/

I get what they’re saying, but calling it a church is just dumb.

AY,

There are as many ways to not believe in god(s) as there are ways to believe.