The annual selection of the top 500 lawyers in America has begun at LawDragon. You can vote for your favorite colleagues, teachers, or counsel.
While I am happy to be on the ballot, I am more happy to see others not on the ballot. Notably, John Ashcroft is no longer on the list. Nor is John Yoo or most other Bush lawyers. Also missing is Alberto Gonzales this year.
What is interesting is the absence of Justice Sonia Sotomayor. Clarence Thomas and Ruth Bader Ginsburg are also off the list, even though the rest of the Court makes it on the ballot. Judiciary Chairman John Conyers and other members of Congress are also not on the list.
To vote: click here.
Vote for your favorite lawyer? Is that like voting for your favorite vice? I’ll take Dewars Signature over the whole list!
Mespo,
At one time a nice Merlot would have sufficed. The Australians flooded the American Market.
Is there a talent or swim suit portion…
Whooliebacon:
I tried to have them post me picture in a speedo, but common decency and the FCC stopped it. I insist I could take Scalia in the swimsuit competition, but Laurence Tribe still has the lock on the talent competition.
Before I vote I need to know your feelings about opposite marriage.
whooliebacon,
Is there a talent or swim suit portion…
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An Intelligent Attorney is a rare breed. I think you are barking up the wrong tree on this. However, Turley is right on up there.
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jonathanturley to Whooliebacon:
I tried to have them post me picture in a speedo, but common decency and the FCC stopped it. I insist I could take Scalia in the swimsuit competition,
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As well they should. Speedos should NOT be created expect in Small and Medium. Bad Visuals.
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but Laurence Tribe still has the lock on the talent competition.
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You are the better Judge of this.
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Jill,
Before I vote I need to know your feelings about opposite marriage.
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People in “Opposition” Marriage rarely have a happy home life especially with children involved. You think that is bad. No it has its silver lining for the mental health field, the legal system and hopefully the can retain extraordinary counsel to represent the respective interest.
Noe same Sex Marriages, that’s a whole different ball game so to say. I know a number of same sex couples and they make fine parents too.
I need clarification of what an opposite marriage is? lol
Speedos should NOT be created “exCept” in Small and Medium. Bad Visuals.
Helpful hint: The good prof.’s name is on page 25.
Remember folks, Vote early and vote often.
Jill:
You are on to me. My plan is to announce my views, be stricken from the list, and then sue.
JT,
Here’s an interesting blog tag-line,
“This page is about me and why everything I like is great. If you disagree with anything you find on this page, you are wrong.”
http://maddox.xmission.com/
Gyges:
Thanks for the heads up,that saved a lot of time,
BTW:jonathanturley
1, September 2, 2009 at 11:01 am
Whooliebacon:
“I tried to have them post me picture in a speedo,”
Not necessary,for my vote.LOL!!
“the ballot” link in Turley’s article leads to the page (Sullivan through Vance) with his name. I doubt that such an event occurred by chance alone.
I need to start a write-in campaign for myself. You can just write “Seamus”, they’ll know who you mean. As for my views, I have a wonmderful view of the Chicago River from my office.
Good morning parasites!
Have you no shame, Seamus? At last, have you no shame?
seamus,
I’ll write you in, but first you must tell me how many bodies go by each day for 1 week or just forget about my write-in.
Professor Turley,
I spent 3 years in New Orleans at Tulane Law, what could I possibly have done to be ashamed of?
Jill,
In 15 years I have only seen one body pulled from the river by my office. Apparently it was not properly weighted down.
O.K. seamus,
I see that you really do take your duties as a beauty queen seriously and I am honor bound to write you in for Miss California. Good luck and god-speed!
Recalling that I was admonished for not following the “Chicago Way” by voting in the ABA poll a mere one time, this poll I have voted quite early and very often.
I wish that Catholic apologist would return back to this bolg. He wrote so eloquently and blew away Mespo, Buddha(pest) and Mike Spinout…… Gregory is my HERO!
Go back and reread how he dimantled and exposed Mespo, when he tryed to slide a bunch of mumbo-jumbo and doublespeak into the argument. He “trashed” Mespo……..
Mespo(as usual), tryed to fake this guy out and feverishly misinterpreted what he was able to glean off the internet (no doubt wikkipedia),to get in on the argument, or rather discussion. He got Pummeled!
Wayne 1, September 2, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Mespo is living proof that even the developmentally disabled can use the internet….
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From some of your posts I wonder if the saying should go like this: You spot it you got it.
Buddha(pest), the Catholic Church is the true Church. The Catholic Church was started in the year 33 in Jerusalem. Martin Luther was a former Augustinian priest who fell in lust with a nun, and became the worst heresyarch of the 16th century. The Church was statred by Jesus Christ, not Martin Luther, Luther was a member of the true Church until pride and mendacity took hold in his heart and mind. He lives with Henry the V111, and a number of assorted other heretics who have emrged from the slimiest pools of hell in the last 400 plus years. Take it to the bank……….
Rock and roll baby!
In this world there is know Greek, Roman, Spaniard or Englishman. There are only two, Catholic or heretic, there is nothing else………
Wayne:
obsession:* S: (n) compulsion, obsession (an irrational motive for performing trivial or repetitive actions, even against your will) “her compulsion to wash her hands repeatedly.”
One wonders if reading Wayne and then feeling the urge to repeatedly wash one’s eyes equates to Wayne’s particular malady too?
I hope Mr. Turley was voted in the top ten of the 500 most admired and sought after attorneys. Keep up the good work JT!
JT:
By the way, do we get to suggest questions for the judges to ask you guys while on stage? I want to know if you want to “help people,” or “tour the world.” Remember keep smiling and that sash goes from right to left!!
Hello Mespo, aka “stonehead”. The symbol of a strangely androgenous looking marble head would seem to suit your personhood. This bizarre motif seems a fitting representation of what you present on this blog.
Why, thank you Wayne it’s nice of you to notice. How’s the toad farm?
I have gone back and reread the post from way back. The information Gregory presented was not only 100% accurate it was written brilliantly. Go back and reread the post Mespuke!. You got manhandled by this “kid”. Everything he wrote was spot on. Your slavish little remoras that parasitize this website know the truth of the debate as you and I do. I guess your alleged expertise dosn’t extend into apologetics or theology…….
How are the plastic blow-up dolls of Liberace and John Holmes doing these days Mespo? Remember to clean it nightly Mespuke.
Whatever became of Bron, he was the ultimate sycophant on this blog. I so loved reading his posts, that were replete with yearnings of codependency…….
Wayne:
Thanks for the review. Maybe you go back to being “Gregory” for a while…or perhaps we could re-fight the Civil War. That’s quite topical too.
On the theology issue, I try not to waste time debating fairy tales but you sound like a person who does. Tell me, did the Prince take unwelcome advantage when he awakened Sleeping Beauty with a kiss, or was she “asking for it”? I think I know your answer.
Wayne:
I would like to know more about Martin Luther, I just finished a book on some of the priests of the RCC circa 1100-1500 AD. They just touched on Luther. The opinion of the auther was that Luther was a 2nd rate intellect as compared to Aquinas or Siger or Ockham.
His split from the church appears to have been about his trepidation that the RCC was heading in the direction of Aquinas and Ockham-reason to defend faith and he (Luther) was more interested in faith. Can you expand on these thoughts as you appear to know something about the RCC and it’s intellectual history?
I loved how M. Appleton chimed in on the Catholic post way back when. He tryed to sound like the “calm” voice of reason, in his childlike quest to impress. He was also taken apart, bone-by-bone in this mano a mano throwdown. Ah, it was truly sweet to have a good Catholic man rise up like a”knight” of yore to defend the truths of holy mother Church.
Byron, if you want to know about the truths of the Catholic faith I would suggest you read, ‘Father Smith Instructs Jackson’, published by Our Sunday Visitor. Martin Luther was interesting in the fact that he refused to let his mother join the heresy and putrid mess he concocted, yet he was more than willing to let many in Europe lose there souls to the “false” church he started. Remember Byron, Jesus already started the Church, read the Gospel of Saint Matthew. What our Lord has started is for all time!, not for 15 centuries until Luther had his meltdown in Wittenburg. Aquinas, Bede and Newman are saints worth reading and pursuing. If you are serious about it,you need to pray and ask the Lord for guidance, He will listen to an honest person seeking the “truth”.
Wayne,
My favorite part was how Gregory claimed that we should judge the Catholic church by what it says it does rather than what it does.
My favorite part of this stupid waste of everyone’s time is how you’re not linking to the discussion so we could all see the great Wa… I mean Gregory in action. Now why would that be?
Byron, a man dosn’t need to read Siger or Okham or even understand there writings to come to the realization that Jesus started “one” Church. All churches started by sinful, fallible men are false! We are all called to become members of the Church, not start one that conforms to our value system or prideful ambitions. King Henry wanted a divorce, he was not granted one so he started created the church of England. It is interesting to note that when Thomas More was Chancellor of all England, Henry wrote and published a work on apologetics refuting Luther and the emerging heresies brewing in Europe. This short book on apologetics was called “In Defense of the seven sacraments”. When he was not given the divorce he wanted his wrath and pride overrode all reason and he created a horrible breach, that exists to this day. Sain Thomas More along with saint John Fisher would not take the oath of supremacy, mandated by Parliament and they were martyred by the king. They both received the “crown” of martyrdom and sainthood.
Gyges(?)you are also under the same mandate that we all are. We are all to conform to the teachings of the Church.
Wayne,
What happened to Bron is what should happen to you if you continue with your nonsensical blathering.
Cromwell and master rich were both very clever and sly, and would have rather lost the “Kingdom’, but for Wales…….
All roads lead to Rome! Rome is the seat of Christendom…..
mespo,
A song so good one cannot malign it by association, but appropriate none the less.
Wayne:
if you believe then why did you speak about those people in such an angry way?
Saint John Fisher was the lone prelate in all of England who would not aquiesce to the king, he refused to sign the ‘oath of supremacy’. While imprisoned in London Tower, the Pope installed Saint John Fisher into the college of cardinals. This further enfuriated the vengeful King…….
Byron, anyman who attempts to lead people down the road of heresy and into hell, is given very little positive affirmation by ‘yours truly’……
Byron,
He’s trolling. I wouldn’t have responded to him, but I was hoping to bait him into posting a link so everyone could see just how badly he came off as “Gregory.”
Since that didn’t work, I suggest we all ignore him. He goes away eventually.
I can only assume Mespuke is frantically trying to glean as much info from Catholic wikkipedia right now, in the hopes of refuting the truths I have provided. He will invariably attempt to pervert the truth and confuse with obvious fraud and trickery. I so welcome it………
I wish I were half as eloquent or erudite as Gregory. Boy ‘he’ sure lit your fire, hopefully for the better……
Wayne:
Then do as the Saints did and make your case for Christ and God. Refutation through superior argument. Make your case for eternal life and let us judge on the merits of your argument whether you have a right to judgement.
Byron, when you asked about Aquinas and Okham, it was obvious you were not serious about learning the truths of the Church, you were only pressing buttons……
Byron, please rephrase your question, I am unclear on precisely what you are asking. I wonder if you even do…..
Sadly, even the devil can argue eloquently, but the TRUTH-will even make him bow…….
My life and mankind is not to be judged by the childlike presentaion of a law student, who is seeking the approval and affirmation of his fellow bloggers. Byron, my suggestion still stands, go read “Father Smith Instructs Jackson”. Please be open, and leave your ego at the door, while reading…
By the way, I thought I had already made my case for God and His Church. Can I assume that you have been following along on this post Byron?
Wayne:
I am not pressing any buttons, I am sincerely interested in Aquinas and others and have taken the CCD class for church membership. Although I have not joined.
Any buttons being pressed are in your mind.
I am merely saying that you are being rather harsh for no apparent reason. And you are not making much of a case for your point of view. Had I not taken the CCD course and gotten to know some of the priests, I would be hesitant to look into the Church based on your writings here.
Wayne:
All I can see is you calling people a pest or a stonehead with some Gregory thrown in. Not much case for God in what you wrote but then maybe I am missing something.
And you are even angry over what I have asked-
“My life and mankind is not to be judged by the childlike presentaion of a law student, who is seeking the approval and affirmation of his fellow bloggers.”
I am not a law student nor do I need the approval of those I do not know. Judging by what you have written here I think you may be in need of some pastoral counsling. I will pray that your soul finds peace in this life.
Byron, of course you are pressing buttons. You have no desire to learn from me, you only want to argue with me in order to soothe your ego. If you are sincere you might take the’humble’ approach and say, “thanks Wayne”, I think I will invest in a copy of ‘Father Smith Instructs Jackson’. When you are attending your CCD class, do you ask the Priest who is attempting to instruct you in the teachings of the Church or to engage you in a debate! I assume you are in attendance to learn! If you want to learn than reflect on what I am presenting and go read the book I have implored you to read. This will come as a shock to you Byron, but I know a little bit about my faith and the teachings of the Church. Whether or not you choose to subscribe to what I say, is OK, just go check it out, if you are really sincere.
Whether or not I am the worst case for being Catholic does not change the Truths, that is presented by Her. I am a sinner, I say stupid,inappropriate and imprudent things, heck- look at how I cap on Mespuke. Remember, I may sound very uncharitable, but I have no malice toward you or any of your fellow bloggers. Even though I marvel at the close-mindedness of Buddha(pest) and Mespuke, I bear them no ill-will. We’re just posting on the net..
Byron, if you are in a CCD class, how have you jumped to the teachings of Okham? Are you genuinely interested in the teachings of Aquinas, then you should go read “The Summa Theologica”. It is pretty deep, but extremely profound. Also, I might suggest you read, “The Imitation of Christ”, by Thomas a’Kempis. That is if you really seek the truths of our Church, and would like to grow in charity, humility and wisdom….
Wayne:
it is available at Amazon so I will need to order it.
When I took the CCD course I did ask questions of the priest and his answers were very good and gave me additional knowledge.
A person sure in their faith is not threatened by questions from a neophyte.
Wayne:
I found the mother load for religious works:
http://liturgist.org/index/author-A.html
All the authors you recommend and then some.
Believe it Byron, all of us need pastoral counseling and spiritual direction, yes- even you Byron…..
Trust me Byron, I am definitely not threatened by a “neophyte”, even one named Byron……
You seem sincere and earnest. I also think you sound quite astute. I might also suggest for your reading pleasure, all three volumes of Radio Replies, by Father Rumble and Carty. Father Rumble was a convert to the faith from anglicanism, and then became an ordained priest in Australia. I hope and pray that your journey in the faith leads you to eternal life in heaven with Our Lord. Hopefully, you can touch many lives for our Faith while you take up your cross as a member of the Church Militant on earth. If I have offended you and set a poor example-forgive me Byron.
So, If I were to try and become one of the top 500 Lawyers, would I first have to become a lawyer? I’m thinking about trying to bluff my way into it.
I’ve got this great plan. I start showing up on web-sites and pretend to know stuff. THEN I come back as a different person and talk about how great I was as a the first person. (This is where it gets tricky, so you’ll have to follow closely).
The first me is the decoy. Because people generally assume that other people know what they’re talking about if they say it confidently enough, people will figure that I must know what I’m talking about to be able to critic my previous discussion. If I don’t link to the discussion it doesn’t even matter what I said originally, because nobody will be able to check if the first me actually was right or not.
Hopefully somebody will ask me for clarification, that way I can expound vaguely on a theme. Even better is if that person later disagrees with me. I could insult them, and ask them “would you engage your Law professor in debate?” Thus elevating my status to that of a law professor.
It can’t possibly fail. Right?
lol
Gyges,
Have you ever seen The Kids In The Hall skit w/ Dave Foley as “The World’s Worst Surgeon”?
It starts with a line something like, “I’m the world’s worst surgeon. I’m terrible at it. Loose patients all the time. I went to Med School to see just how far I could get on charm and bullshit and, ha ha, it turns out it’s pretty far.”
Byron, as you continue to read and folllow the writings of the bloggers on this post, you will become acutely aware of a couple of things. Budda(pest) and Mespuke, hate, I said HATE, the Catholic Church. They believe it is an institution made up of fairy tales and superstitions and run by phonies, pedophiles and other assorted social deviants. They are incapable of seeing the glorious and humble merits attributed to the calm and holy lives of the Blessed Mother, the Apostles and all the saints of our General Roman Calendar. The Church to them is a punchline and joke, to be mocked and ridiculed at every turn. They believe the value and worth of a man is based on his ability to skillfully debate a person into submission. This tragic little bit of worldly merit is all they seek and sadly, it may be all they ever receive. You and I both need to pray for them and the world. We need to pray to end abortion, bigotry, heresy and all forms of sin, that cry to us for additional prayer. On a daily basis pray your rosary and ask the Madonna to shield you from the attacks of the devil. I hate no one Byron, the only thing I truly detest and abhor is sin, and its’ ramifications…….
Well, Wayne, you’ve succeeded in bringing me back. I might suggest to Byron that neither you nor your alter ego Gregory ought to be relied upon for anything approaching rational dialogue on Catholic faith or doctrine.
For your information, Byron, I suggest you read a book entitled “Luther and Aquinas on Salvation.” It was published by Sheed & Ward back in the ’60s and gives an excellent analysis of the topic. It is no longer in print, but I’m sure you can find a copy in a library or online. Martin Luther was no intellectual match for Thomas Aquinas, but he didn’t purport to be. In fact, it was not his intent to start a new church. His purpose in posting the theses was reform. In any event, Aquinas is still regarded as the greatest of all Catholic theologians and his “Summa Theologica” is a comprehensive explication of the Catholic faith.
If you are interested in bona fide Catholic apologetics, I would recommend John Henry Newman, Hilaire Belloc and G.K. Chesterton. You will find that they did not resort to puerile name-calling, hysteric rants or schoolyard bullying to explore the foundations of their faith, and did not feel the need to belittle or demonize those who disagreed with them.
For an understanding of the development of the early church, you should read anything written by Elaine Pagels, a brilliant contemporary scholar, or by Bart Ehrman, whose work is also highly readable. Finally, I recommend Paul Johnson’s “History of Christianity” as probably the finest recent survey of the intellectual and theological development of Catholicism and Protestantism.
You should be aware, Byron, that the comments of Wayne and Gregory do not represent Catholic thought. Indeed, I suspect that he/they are not actually Catholics. In the first half of the last century, they would have been deemed “scandalous” by Church authorities for bringing the Church into disrepute by the personal, vicious and uncharitable nature of their comments. And although invited to do so, he/they have steadfastly refused to identify themselves so that their credentials to opine authoritatively on Church doctrine could be evaluated. Anonymity is a favorite shield of purveyors of vitriol. He/they are to theology what Rush Limbaugh is to political philosophy and John Bolton is to the science of diplomacy, pretenders motivated by hatred rather than love. But I suspect that you will discover that fact yourself in due course.
Byron, having just caught up with all of the posts on this thread, I note that Wayne/Gregory mentioned Thomas a Kempis. I suggest that you may wish to put him off until you’re a little further down the road. He was a cloistered monk, meaning that he devoted his life essentially to solitary prayer and contemplation. The “Imitation of Christ” is a profound series of mediations and religious exercises for the development of personal spirituality. It is deeply moving, but it may appear a bit too intense, and even gloomy, at this stage of the game. Publications like “Our Sunday Visitor” are homey and pious, but offer little to anyone who wishes to approach Catholicism with intellectual vigor and discipline.
Byron please be aware of M. Appleton. In an earlier post he suggested that the Berrigan brothers were exemplary models of catholic servitude. They were both convicted felons and one was ex-communicated from the church, after he was ordained priest! The only thing consistently obvious and notable you will find about M. Appleton is his abilty to be duplicitous when it serves his end. He championed liberation theology after it was condemned as a heresy by our prior and extant Pope. He continues to throw out a lot of information , some of which is in conflict with itself. M. appleton is still smarting from being ‘put in his Catholic place’by Gregory, some months ago. I can only hope that when M. appleton’s head stops spinning his face is to the front again. Also Byron, Mr.Appleton for the most part is in league with Mespuke and Budda(pest). Mr. appleton what is you stance on abortion? The Church declares it to be mortal sin. If you advocate its’ practice you yourself can incur ipso facto ex-communication! Please respond Mr. Appleton!
Mr. appleton, it is painfully obvious your sole motivation for chiming in is to impress and validate your ego. Please respond to the abortion question.
Mike Appleton:
thank you for the info. I think Wayne might be little unsure in his beliefs if someone on a blog can get under his skin to that extent. Although faith is like that your head says one thing and your heart another. Even Mother Teresa had doubts about the existence of God.
Hopefully Wayne will resolve his faith/reason dichotomy.
I have Chestertons’ Orthadoxy and I will definitely get Paul Johnsons book, I had his history of the American People and read about 1/3 and lost the dam thing. It was a great read at least as far as I got. That will give me some impetus to buy them both.
Mr. Appleton, I presume you approach Catholicism with rigor and intellectual disciplene. I can only assume the rigor and zeal you possess is extended into ending the horrible sin of abortion through prayer and works of self-sacrifice….
I am waiting for Mr. Appletons respose regarding the abortion issue. I don’t think I will get it, because then he would have to be intellectually honest enough to admit he could not care less what the Churches teaching and moral stance is on abortion. Please respond Mr. Appleton.
I am patiently waiting Mr. Appleton. Please respond…
Byron, you should be seeing an inkling of what I am talking about. I do not respond directly to Wayne/Gregory for reasons which I have previously discussed. You will note that he has already begun to attribute motives to my comments and otherwise resort to ad hominem baiting, something which most of us grow out of by the age of, say, 12. I have explained to Wayne/Gregory in the past that if he identifies himself, I will be happy to engage in a discussion of our differences on any matters, including “liberation” theology, the Catholic witness of the Berrigan Brothers (as well as Dorothy Day and others), the Church’s teachings on social justice, abortion and the danger in the growing alliance between evangelical Catholics and Christian fundamentalists. In short, Wayne/Gregory understands that if he truly wishes to engage me, he must be willing to attach an identity and a person to the debate. But I am not going to participate in a mere exchange of name-calling, references to excommunication, charges of heresy or other nonsense by some anonymous, self-proclaimed defensor fidei.
I believe Mr. Appleton is not only not a Catholic, but is probably an excommunicate himself. Please respond to the abortion question Mr. Appleton, since you have now thralled us with your acumen
Byron, the reason Mr. Appleton cannot respond to the abortion question should be painfully clear. The devil always appears as a gentleman (sometimes an attorney)
Wayne, I am responding to you only to confirm your comment that I have sufficiently impressed and validated my ego to move on to other things this evening.
Byron, one more suggestion. I was remiss in omitting reference to Augustine. You might try his “Confessions.” Good luck on your journey.
I am waiting for your response to the abortion question Mr. Appleton……
Sadly, all the reading of Aquinas and Chesterton has done nothing to temper the horrible dilema, this man Mr. Appleton finds himself in. He cannot respond to the question because he will then expose himself as excommunicate and heretic…..
Wayne:
I am personally opposed to abortion and think it to be terrible. But I cannot reconcile any organization whether private or public having authority over personal morality. In China abortion is mandated by the state, if the state can make abortion illegal it can also compel an abortion. The state has no right either way.
Byron, if a person advocates abortion, performs an abortion conspires with someone to seek an abortion or through legislation perpetuates abortion, he then commits a grave sacrilege! This is a sin that crys to Heaven for vengeance! This sin is murder, and a person who advocates or sanctions abortion is excommunicate and also is now heretic. Mr. Appleton, I believe you have (by your silence on this matter) allowed us to construe your feelings regarding abortion. Thank you for so cleverly exposing yourself to a “neophyte” like Byron. You will be on my prayer short list Mr. Appleton…
Byron, you need to conform to the teachings of the church, the Church will not conform to your personal value sysytem, if it is in conflict with the Church on matters of faith and morals. Didn’t they teach you that in your CCD class?
Mr. Appleton, you are a coward and gutless. You won’t answer the question for obvious reasons. You should not blog on this matter, you lack the fortitude to be honest and forthright. This is why I say you are deceptive and duplicitous! I love to smoke heretics out of there holes, especially you Mr. appleton……
Byron, as you go about your faith exploration, remember two things. First, Wayne/Gregory has not been appointed to the post of Grand Inquisitor, regardless of what he/they may say. Second, you can safely assume that the CCD instruction you have received is authentic and more reliable than harangues by anonymous bloggers.
Good night, Wayne/Gregory.
Mr. Appleton, please respond to the question. It is most simple sir. Ah, you cannot respond, you will then expose yourself as excommunicate and heretic. You are a clanging cymbal Mr. Appleton, with NO CONVICTION! Maybe you should stand on the fifth, you know all about that………..
“Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion” is something that is apparently lost to the RCC just as much a “appropriate comment” is lost to some trolls.
This isn’t a Catholic country.
Cannon Law does not apply to U.S. citizens unless they voluntarily submit.
No one coming here is primarily interested in the RCC. Why? Because, duh, this is a law blog.
And, duh, this is a thread that has zero to do with the RCC.
Do you go to Food TV’s web site and rant about how bad your latest consumer electronics purchase sucked?
No.
Well I say no, but in all fairness, you might.
So why do you come here to babble endlessly off topic absent mental illness?
It’s a rhetorical question but I expect nearly incomprehensible gibberish as is your M.O. about how you like to “get someone” or some other self congratulatory nonsense to make you feel like people don’t laugh at you behind your back or, indeed, to your face. Not that I’ll read it any more than I’ve read that other inane crap, but I do so like it when the vein in your forehead starts to pulse.
If what you want is Papal sanction, Vatican City needs another person to shout aimlessly in the streets about which Pope they like best. But if you ask the people below real nice like they might give you enough lithium to make flying to Italy unnecessary.
http://dmh.lacounty.gov/
Let’s not forget what’s really and truly important. How do we rig this contest? I’ve got a monkey I’ve trained to use the computer (before you ask, yes I did was make sure he was locked up for the past few hours), but this site requires your information…
I’m stuck, my Monkey’s not that good of a liar.
Byron, we all have a conscience. Even a heathen in a dark foreboding jungle. Listen to your conscience. People in this world get into trouble when they disobey there conscience. Our Lord has given a all men a conscience to discern right from wrong, even the unbaptized pagan is given this moral compass. Does abortion sound reasonable? Do you think abortion is pleasing to Our Lord? Always follow your conscience and then appeal to the Church on matters of faith and morals. People don’t turn to M. Appleton on matters of faith and morals, you turn to holy mother Church. You would lose your faith if you subscribe to the rubbish this man advocates!
Byron, I hope you read the writings of G.K. Chesterton. You may be somewhat confused though. A holy, saintly man like Chesterton would unlikely have much in common with the likes of Mr. Appleton. I think you are astute enough to figure this out, as well as the obvious flim-flam, Mr. Appleton provides.
Byron, if you enjoy science and paleontology I have a suggestion. Read some of the wrtings of Pierre Teihard de Chardin. He was a french Jesuit, who came into conflict with the Society of Jesus and the Holy Office in Rome. Look to see how a classically trained scientist is able to integrate his understanding of science and the evolution of man, with his own belief system as a Roman Catholic priest I read the ‘Divine Milieu’ some years ago, but I still have a copy somewhere in the house.
Gyges,
I have issues with getting my monkey to use spell check. The gibbons do just fine, but those monkeys are T-R-O-U-B-I-L.
Buddha,
Mine spells better then I do, but the I had to switch to an optical mouse, because the hair kept clogging up the standard one.
As crazy as buddha is, I find some of his post’s amusing sometimes even brilliantly composed. Didn’t necessarily say I agreed with the content, I’m just recognizing his talent as a writer, and thinker. He has a unique intelligence, a kind of destructive intelligence, either way, he is most entertaining at times. Go have a cold suds buddha and watch a ball game. I’m a die hard Tiger fan from Detroit. Although I reside in the Inland Empire.
Byron, my final thought for today. If you ever come across the writings of George Tyrell, you might find the person who most closely resembles M.Appleton in thought, word and deed. I believe this excommunicate ex-Jesuit would find much in common with the heretical beliefs of Mr. Appleton. Mr. Appleton likes to throw around Catholic names to impress. I am a little surprised he has not quoted the writings of Karl Rahner or Hans Kung or Hans Urs von Balthasar and let’s not forget Edward Schillebyx. These are theologians in the church of the last 50-60 years who have been most controversial. I doubt M. Appleton has read any of them, let alone G.K. Chesterton or Cardinal Newman. He makes murmurings that he is this catholic lay intellectual, but it is all rubbish. It is vapid and performed with smoke and mirrors. This gutless man cannot even answer my question because he will expose himself for what he truly is. He couldn’t care less what the Churches teaching is on anything, unless it conforms to his value system. In this world Byron you will meet many Appleton’s, my advice is to run and pray for them.
Oh yeah, get that copy of ‘Father Smith Instructs Jackson’. Peace be with you..
Mr. Appleton, why should my sobriquet be a deterrent in answering my question regarding abortion? Because I will not disclose my name inhibits you from answering my question? I will reiterate this one more time, you are a gutless coward and your silence is YOUR answer. Case closed…..
Answer the man, M Appleton. I’ve been following along to, this guy wayne ain’t no slouch.
Bring back the Monkey guy! He was making sense, and is probably a great lawyer.
“Budda(pest) and Mespuke, hate, I said HATE, the Catholic Church. They believe it is an institution made up of fairy tales and superstitions and run by phonies, pedophiles and other assorted social deviants.”
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By their fruits shall you know them.
–Matthew 7:16
Sort of applies to Wayne-ory too.
And everyone knows what a flake you are, Mespo!
Calling you Mespuke was being charitable, we all know how virtuous and humble you are Mespuke.
G. Drake:
You sound positively Waynian with that double post. Pretty soon Wayne will come back as Tinker Bell and spew more fairy tales. I do love an obnoxious man of god, but two alter egos–it must be heaven on Earth!
“Budda(pest) and Mespuke, hate, I said HATE, the Catholic Church.”
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“What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.” [Pres. James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance, addressed to the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Virginia, 1785]
I am finding myself in better company by the moment, but once having been paired with Buddha, I could hardly have thought otherwise.
Finally Wayne-ory to reply for Mike A which I have no right to do, I suspect that he believes that the Church, in all it’s fallibility, has no right to impose upon the women the role of breeding stock in some misogynistic attempt to subjugate them. He probably knows that Church history is unsettled on the question of abortion having gone from total condemnation to uneasy acquiescence (esp. in the cases of clergy insemination of the “faithful’–all that business about the “quickening”) in Jerome’s time to its current “take no prisoners” approach. He probably knows that today’s mortal sin is tomorrow’s venial sin, is the day after’s prescribed theology, and that all the misery and remonstrations heaped out by people like you prove nothing about the poor women who have to face this decision, but conclusively proves the arrogance and credulity that marks the staunch churchman of today. Put that in your thurible and smoke it!
Wayne:
Why all of the harsh language? My grandmother always told me “you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar”. If you want to be an evangelist for the RCC I suggest you start educating and stop preaching.
And I must say that I tend to agree with this statement made by I don’t know whom:
“the world will be truly free when the last dictator is strangled by the entrails of the last priest”
No one has a right to tell another what is or is not God. There are certain human truths that should be applied to ones life, the bible is one source for those truths, but then so are secular philosophers.
The RCC has been a source for good in this world and it has been a source for evil. Christ did not die for Christians alone and that is one problem I have with Christianity in general. There are many good Hindus and Muslims and Jews and a religion that would say they are excluded from salvation, I think, does not really understand the meaning of the crucifixion.
Hate is a strong word. I hate PNAC. I hate Dick Cheney. The RCC? Eh, they are more in the “loathe” category. And they got there the old fashioned way – they earned it. How, you may ask, did they earn this honor? The short list is The Crusades, Galileo, The Inquisition, Pope Pius IX and the perpetual game of Hide the Pedophile. I like and indeed love many individual Catholics. I make no bones about not liking the organization. They should be taxed and taxed hard.
Byron,
“a religion that would say they are excluded from salvation, I think, does not really understand the meaning of the crucifixion.”
To the point. Well said.
Christ as a Joiner, not a Divider, is an argument that often comes up when the religious loons come out of the wood work. Exclusionary religions are the tool of man to control other men. It’s a good argument, but often discussing it with trolls is about as productive as arguing it to a woodchuck.
Buddha:
dont you mean Pius XII?
Yes I do.
Up all night. Brain is foggy this AM.
Speaking of which . . . off to bed. Happy troll battling, gang. I’ll be back after a brief coma.
Buddha:
You are certainly correct, men use religion not only as a tool of control but also as a vestment of superiority.
Mespo, you are consistenly as wrong and misguided as ever. The Church does not take the position that abortion is a venial sin, quite the contrary. The Church teaches that abortion is murder, grounds for immediate excommunication and a grave act of sacrilige! Does your deception and lies have any boundaries? As you can clearly tell Byron these two men despise the Catholic Church, they stand convicted by there posts. Byron, I don’t believe you have any real or sincere interest in the Church, you are more interested in seeking the validation of Mike, Mespo and Buddha. I don’t believe you are even in a CCD class. Also, CCD is a rather antiquated term, usually the term is RCIA. The Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults. Have been been lying as well?
A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication. This is called “latae sententiae”, by the very commission of the offense, and subject to the conditions provided by canon law. Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion.
Wayne,
A Fool is Known by the words that they utter. Where do you stand on this? would you agree that a miscarriage is an abortion? What about an Herbal Abortion?
“What Is a Miscarriage?
A miscarriage, or spontaneous abortion, is a pregnancy that ends by itself within the first 20 weeks. “Stillbirth” refers to the loss of a pregnancy with fetal death when it occurs after the first 20 weeks.
Guess you did not consider this, now did you?
Mespo, please refer to the Catholic Cathechism. Page 606 2270, this should clear up the obvious ambiguity you seem to be suffering from regarding the Churches teaching on abortion.
A person who miscarriages has not commited a mortal sin, only if they seek out to “procure” the abortion. Do any of you people listen or read these posts? Look, get on the internet, speak to your local canon lawyer in the diocese or archdediocese you reside in.
Wayne:
“Byron, I don’t believe you have any real or sincere interest in the Church, you are more interested in seeking the validation of Mike, Mespo and Buddha.”
I did not say I was in a CCD class, I said I took one a few years ago at my wife’s request. And yes you are right I do believe they did call it RCIA but I could not remember the name.
I go to church regularly and I am interested in the church teachings as I am interested in the teachings of Aristotle, John Locke, Thomas Hobbs, Edmund Burke and others.
I don’t know Buddha, Mike Appleton or Mespo on a personal level and I can tell you sincerely that if Mike Appleton is a believer in liberation theology we would have to agree to disagree on that principle. But in Latin America there is some merit to that point of view as there is great poverty and great wealth side by side and not much of a middle class. They have a history of dictators from the right and the left and the poor are disenfranchised because of the continual political conflicts.
If most Catholics are like you in their belief system then count me out. I wont waste my time. If you are typical of intellectual thought, the RCC has gone from Aquinas and Ockham to dogma in less than a thousand years. Some testament to your Church.
You don’t debate issues you just preach, you think you know but don’t really and wont until you are dead. What you believe is faith in the teachings of men that have interpreted the Bible and other manuscripts.
I know what the Church teaches regarding salvation and morality. Do you Byron?
The writings of Locke will not teach you the truths of religion.
Women who take drugs that induce the miscarriage of the unborn, or in any way harm themselves to induce the miscarriage are procuring abortion through another means. It is grounds for excommunication and is a grave sacrilege. Remember the conscience and moral compass we all possess. Be that as it may, if you don’t believe me, read the Catholic cathechism and speak to a canon lawyer. Women are forbidded to take ‘morning after’ drugs. People are forbidden to have sex outside of the sacrament of marriage. Fornication and adultery are also grave and mortal sins…….
The abortion issue has been articulated, case closed……
Wayne,
Hummmpt, Question: What is the difference between a Convent and a Nunnery?
One was spiritual and one was a money raiser, one was a money raiser and one was the bishops personal concubine. Why do you really think that there is an Eastern Orthodox and a RCC? Why don’t the Eastern Orthodox have a Pope?
Think about the Old Testament. Not all believers subscribe that temple prostitute is such a bad thing. I guess this would have been the original church lady.
Why were only young girls given to the church to raise?
I have lots of questions. Read outside of the box. No all church teachings are correct. But you have to learn that for yourself. Did Jesus ever renounce Judaism? Have you ever heard of the three anti-popes?
Do you know when the RCC established in Rome? Do you think Peters Bones were always buried in Rome? I have lots of questions, this is enough for now.
Ok, one last one Which pope took the Old Testament out of the Catholics bible and you faced excommunication if you possessed a copy of it? Why did he take it out?
Know the information you espouse before you convey such rhetoric. Hint, you will need to look outside the box (RCC) for this.
I still would like M. Appletons response to my question. It will never be forthcoming, he must be busy having tea and scones with the Berrigans at the state pen in Maryland. Good day…..
Anonymously Yours. The questions you have, you already know the answer to. If you are unclear I suggest you enroll in a course in Church History through the diocese you reside in. Many books can clear up these multitude of questions. You have know sincere interest in learning anything about the Church and since this is the case, we have nothing to talk about. Get on the internet google your question, I am sure you will get very complete answers to these questions. It would be irrelevant to pursue this, because if you were sincere in these questions you have, you could have accessed this information a long time ago……
If you believe the Church’s teachings are incorrect, don’t become a Catholic. Join a “flavor” of Protestant, there are over 18,000 flavors of this heresy worldwide. Since Luther broke from the Church multitudes of false religions continue to emerge. Interestingly, all claim to go “only” by the bible, sola scriptura, yet most of them come to different opinions of “everything” concerning salvation and baptism the number of sacraments even the day we worship on, ala the Seventh Day Adventists. You will find, as you march back through history, all religions fall away, save one. This Church is One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic, and can trace its’ origin to Jerusalem, in the year 33. Our Lord said to Saint Peter, who was formerly Simon Barjona, prior to his name change to Cephas or Kepha, which in Aramaic means “Rock”. Catholic is a greek word it means ‘universal’. “Thou art Peter(Kepha) rock-upon this rock, I build My Church…. AY, go back and spend some time reading the Gospels, especially the Gospel of Saint Matthew. Peace…
Wayne,
You are correct I do know the answers to these. I just would like to know if you do or are you as bad as the people who follow pastor Anderson. I presume you are blind.
Do you know who was the largest Profiteer in the Slave trade?
Do you know who profited the most from the apparent nonintervention (passively and actively looted and plundered the spoils of the Jews demise) in the Holocaust?
A fools is known for his words and lack of wisdom. Even a Fool can seem wise if they keep their mouths shut. I guess I should keep mine shut. Because when you argue with a fool, neither fool wins.
Wayne,
I think one of the issues Luther had was the excessiveness of the Bishopric. This included the use of the Nunneries for personal exploitation. He was also upset that the money raised was not being sent to Rome….
This could go on a long time. Learn your History, do not be afraid. Knowledge is not a bad thing, it helps you make better decisions.
My disagreement with M. Appleton is because he claims to be Catholic, yet subscibes to teaching that the Church has declared heretical and false. I don’t know what your religious upbringing is AY, based upon your presentaion I can only assume you are not Catholic. If you are interested in becoming a member, join the RCIA process, you will have to listen and learn and leave your ego at the door. If you are only interested in arguing to validate your ego, it is irrelevant to pursue this discussion. My reasons for reiterating my question to Appleton are clear, based on “his” presentaion as a Catholic.
Luther is declared a heresyarch and is excommunicated. I could not care less what drivel he espoused, he broke his vows by fornicating with a nun, who was also a vowed person living a consecrated life. You need to go back and learn your history AY…..
Luther had no more authority to start a Church than you AY, or me. He was an ordained Augustinian priest, who lost his faith. No man has the right to start a new church. Our Lord already started it, and demands all men become memebers. The Church was in existence for over fifteen hundred years before Luther had his demonic meltdown…….
Wayne,
My disagreement with M. Appleton is because he claims to be Catholic, yet subscibes to teaching that the Church has declared heretical and false. I don’t know what your religious upbringing is AY, based upon your presentaion I can only assume you are not Catholic.
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Who is to say that his views are “heretical and false” learn your History Pastor Anderson.
I went to reform school as well. The “Forced” Education created an interest in Knowledge. I feel sorry for your family as the ignorant breed despite Hitlers desire for the master race. Certainly you would have been next.
Then why were most of Luthers Edits eventually adopted by the church of your choice? Do you know how many?
It was Money not principal.
After listening to your pathetic attempt at sounding erudite in regards to the history and “teaching” of the Church on matters of faith and morals, its pointless to engage with the likes of you, AY. I am not surprised you did a stint in a reform school. Were you ever diagnosed with conduct disorder or sociopathy, while incarcerated?
Always remember AY, “it is better to have people think you are an idiot, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt”
Sorry, I had to hack on you a little AY, I don’t approve of people comparing me to Hitler, would you?
I don’t know the results of last nights event, but if I were voting, JT gets my vote all the way. I like catching him on FOX, but his trips to T.V. land are becoming more sporadic. Maybe I just miss him when he’s on.
Reform School equals some parochial education.You are taught to not question and just do. 13 or 14 of us were asked not to come back after 9th grade. If you had a clue you’d be dangerous. Since you are only saying what you are told to say you can be quarantened. The Edicts that Luther proposed all but 3 have been adopted. If they had adopted them at the time Luther, Calvin, Wesley wanted they would they still be part of the church today.
Words waste on you I am sure.
Read the edicts of worms.
Read the Council of Trent, and study the Counter-Reformation and the missionary work of Saint Ignatius of Loyola and the Society of Jesus. You cherry pick the history you like, provided it conforms to your value system.
Wesley was a member of the church of England, broke away and started a new heretical church, that conformed to “HIS” value system, they call themselves methodists. They are one of those 18,0000 plus flavors of protestantism, I mentioned earlier.
I am surprised you would mention Calvin, he used to encourage his followers to gouge out the eyes of neophytes, if thet even so much as glanced at a person with ‘desire’. He was a charmer, half of his followers were one handed because if they masturbated, they had to cut off the offending limb. You should have joined his band of merry followers.
Calvin was another heretic who was ‘sola scriptura’. Sound about right?
By the way, I have never heard of a reform school being touted as a parochial school. Were you given a number in your parochial school?
What a COLOSSAL waste of time and blog space this blawg has become!
We rarely had this nonsense until a year and half ago!
If ‘Wayne’(BIL a/k/a AY) is not the original wannabee debate site troller(s) Bartlebee/Cromagnum Man/Waynebro, then he’s a clone….
Yes, despite what you previously believed, it was only a matter of time…
The Catholic Church is like a “roaring lion”, once you let it out of its’ cage it can very ably defend itself…..
Whenever Mr. Appleton talks about the Catholic Church, he invariably mentions liberation theology, the Berrigans(?) and Dorothy Day. He then encourages one to read Hillaire Belloc Chesterton and Newman. I would have thought you would be championing the writings of George Tyrell, Hans Kung and Karl Rahner. Karl Rahner is someone well worth reading. He stated in one of his early works,”that if a sincere Catholic analyzes his conscience, he would find himself at the sacrament of confession about twice a month”. I wonder why Mr. Appleton never mentions St.Kolbe, St.Pio or even Mother Teresa. I just find it utterly bizarre and even incongruent how he links Cardinal Newmans writings in the same sentence as the Berrigans?
Wayne 1, September 3, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Sorry, I had to hack on you a little AY, I don’t approve of people comparing me to Hitler, would you?
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If you are the Hierarchy of the RCC then I am comparing you to Hitler.
If you weren’t so stupid you would learn to read alternatives to what you are taught by the RCC. They have a nasty mean evil spirited history. Albeit, it is the person in control that makes those decisions. Do you make the empirical deceptions for the RCC? If no, then do not worry about it. If you do. Get a grip and learn from your mistakes.
Do you think that we’d still have Inca’s the Mayan’s or the Aztecan empires if it were not for the RCC?
Patty C 1, September 3, 2009 at 2:36 pm
What a COLOSSAL waste of time and blog space this blawg has become!
We rarely had this nonsense until a year and half ago!
If ‘Wayne’(BIL a/k/a AY) is not the original wannabee debate site troller(s) Bartlebee/Cromagnum Man/Waynebro, then he’s a clone….
Yes, despite what you previously believed, it was only a matter of time…
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Bitch stay out of it. Your comments are unwanted and as I have stated to you keep your *&*^*^&^ to your *(&*(*^ self when it comes to me. This is a warning. We do have a full moon coming out tomorrow are you howling yet? Has the nurse threatened to wrap that white coat a little tighter? Take some haldol, that should help you.
Keep my name out and you will not have to worry about me commenting on anything you say. You are a waste of human fecal matter as you are aware. Was that you or your brother than has the Latrine Fetish? Sick people you are.
Patty,
This is a much nicer place without your constant bitching is what I’ve noticed. How about you taking that big spoon of condescension you keep trying to dish out around here and putting it some place that requires surgical removal. Yes, even Wayne’s insane Papist babble beats listening to you hate on me, Jill and AY. Once again, if this is such a waste of your time, you know where the door is although you have a demonstrated inability to find it. Some would call that “obsessive”. Which would again show you as the serial aggressor you are.
I have no problem pointing out your hostile drunk M.O., Princess. You know, the one where you can’t keep from telling everyone how much you hate what such and such has done to “your” blog. I’m going to call you on it every time you mention my name.
Why?
Because I can. And I told you every time you mentioned my name I was going to turn it against you. Welcome to my relentless side.
But if you’re trying to smear me by association with a true troll like Wayne? Good luck on that, Cowgirl. Especially since you’re the one who has most certainly morphed into a troll yourself, Ms. Irrational Hater and Self-Appointed Turley Blog Nazi. You gonna tell me I can’t have any soup now too? Awww.
Or you could do everyone who reads here a favor and take your superiority complex out into that Big Bad Boston Society you are soooooo hooked into and play there instead. See how well they like your manners. I’m betting you go over like a turd in the punchbowl after you get a couple of snoots of Dewar’s down your gullet. It’s understandable why you by your own admission spend much of your time on the internet and in your garden. Humans don’t appreciate capricious hostility.
So once again, if this blog no longer meets your highball standards, you can find an exit.
Have a nice day.
Wayne 1, September 3, 2009 at 2:50 pm
The Catholic Church is like a “roaring lion”, once you let it out of its’ cage it can very ably defend itself…..
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I bet you think that the Knights of Columbus were formed as a support group for Columbus, don’t you?
Hey, so has everyone voted for JT as their favorite lawyer? I think he’s just dreamy. Not to mention a gracious host who deserves our thanks and congratulations on his fame…
If this goes on any longer I’m going to run out of ways to try and change the conversation.
Next up is my “Look, it’s group of college students wearing chef’s hats,” tactic.
Buddha,
You are so much more eloquent than I. Oh, I almost forgot KISS< KISS, SMACK. You do like it rough don't you. LOL
Buddha,
Since we both posted at the same time I guess, she can’t figure out which one of us is which. So did you post at 4:02 or did I? Who was first. Lol
Knights of Columbus.
rofl
AY,
I’m thinking confused is becoming more and more a steady state for her. Let her guess.
Wayne 1, September 3, 2009 at 2:32 pm
By the way, I have never heard of a reform school being touted as a parochial school. Were you given a number in your parochial school?
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You I presume have never been to Catholic School have you? So I guess you would not know the way the system works. But then again this was in the 70 so, they did relax the standards. Maybe you could have even made it through. I will say that the same texts we used in 9th grade we used in public school my senior year. It was such a pleasure to have torn an English book up in front of the teacher and watch her spaze out. Finally they realized that it was a text that I owned, ok, parents purchased it. It was as funny, then as it is now.
I do have a bar card. Do you? I chose not to practice so I can write these obnoxious responses to you and annoy Patty C. This is my purpose in life. Brother can you spare a dime?
Wayne 1, September 3, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Wesley was a member of the church of England, broke away and started a new heretical church, that conformed to “HIS” value system, they call themselves methodists. They are one of those 18,0000 plus flavors of protestantism, I mentioned earlier.
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Lets be correct beings you want to be corrected: Anglican Church at the time. NOT THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND. Got it.
Wayne 1, September 3, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Always remember AY, “it is better to have people think you are an idiot, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt”
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I think the doubt is removed. Keep talking.
Anonymously Yours, I was just wondering if you have taken your buspar and Kolopin today, if not, do so immediately………
let me amend my last post, I meant “Klonopin”, not kolopin….
Still never heard of a parochial school called a reform school, unless you mean “Boys Town”. “He ain’t heavy, he’s my brother”..
Wayne 1, September 3, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Anonymously Yours, I was just wondering if you have taken your buspar and Kolopin today, if not, do so immediately………
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No are you offering? Please do, I like my cocktails can you get me some Viagra while you are at it.
Are you off your freakin’ meds?
Buddha Is Laughing 1, September 3, 2009 at 4:12 pm
AY,
I’m thinking confused is becoming more and more a steady state for her. Let her guess.
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Wait just a minute bucko. If you deserve to be placed first I think we should have the professor make the decision for us. Or maybe Patty C should have a say as they were both directed at her. I want whats fair. Fair is Fair do you no agree?
I don’t mind being on top but sometime bottom can have its advantages. ROFLMAO
Wayne 1, September 3, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Are you off your freakin’ meds?
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If this is directed to me the Ships that Columbus sailed in were from Spain, financed by money stolen from the Jews and he was Portuguese. While almost 90 percent of Spain was controlled by the Moors. Explain this Herr Adolph?
Am I off of my freakin’ meds, you did offer, did you not? I was just asking for Viagra if you were offering. Ok. Bring em over and let me show you what I mean sweetheart. You do remember the CSN song “love the one your with.”
I am sorry, I could not resist.
AY,
Fair is indeed fair, but mystery makes life exciting.
Buddha Is Laughing 1, September 3, 2009 at 5:18 pm
AY,
Fair is indeed fair, but mystery makes life exciting.
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True ah so true, but I do not want to get into one of those dry runs and get sucked in by all of the foreplay.
Thanks for the offer sweetheart, my wife would object….
By the way Anonymously Yours, Christopher Columbus was a paisan from Italy,not Portugal, he sailed for King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain, shortly after the two Kingdoms of Aragon and Castille were united.
Wayne,
Well you being a Catholic, I figured sex between men was ok. Oh I am sorry, that is a man and a boy and one priest stated that he did not even realize that this was wrong. Oh, my. How soon I forget.
Then I feel rejected and am ruefully enraged. I am hurt.
Anoymously Yours, I think you pull your data from the “Mespo School of World History”
I implore you to take those meds AY………
Wayne,
By the way Anonymously Yours, Christopher Columbus was a paisan from Italy,not Portugal, he sailed for King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain, shortly after the two Kingdoms of Aragon and Castille were united.
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You History is more corrupted than the Mexican Border Agents. He was born in Genoa,which is now part of Italy. Not then though. Isabella was the Queen and I believe related to Colombus’ wife whose father was a Governor of Portugal. So he sailed as a Portuguese under the Spanish Flag who was born in Genoa.
See a little knowledge would not hurt you. I wanted to see if you were paying attention. I guess you need to be spoon fed. I guess Guyana is looking for someone to dispense some Grape Kool-aide. I hear they have numerous opening.
You might even get a congressional delegation to show up too. Go young man, go. Go West, you will eventually make it.
Wayne:
why are you so angry? You started this blogituperation. People secure in their beleifs do not rank on others.
Can we actually discus a tenant of Catholicism?
Maybe we can all learn something.
Wayne,
I disagree that Columbus was a paisan in any means or stretech of the imagination.
See Definition:
pai·sa·no (p-zän) also pai·san (-zän)
n. pl. pai·sa·nos also pai·sans
1. A countryman; a compatriot.
2. Slang A friend; a pal.
[Spanish, from French paysan, from Old French paisant, peasant; see peasant.]
I guess its not hard for you to believe. Open your mouth the spoon is ready, lookie at the airplane spoon zoom, zoom its coming in for a landing. Open it wide. You like that don’t you.
Hey look, a bunch of college students wearing chefs hats are voting for their favorite lawyer…
Screw it, if you guys lack the self control to ignore a bitter and small minded individual, who obviously gets some satisfaction from baiting you into responding to his ignorant tripe, have fun. I’ve got green tomatoes to pickle.
Wayne,
Anoymously Yours, I think you pull your data from the “Mespo School of World History”on
176 Wayne 1, September 3, 2009 at 5:50 pm
I implore you to take those meds AY………
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Ah ha, I am in the same class in mespo in your mind. I am honored. Well we have read, which I sure it challenging. I did recently purchase a “Dick and Jane” original book. I will lend it to you for a deposit of $250.00. I do want it back.
Meds, I already said yes, I like my cocktails and please bring some Viagra on your way. A Good Ole Merle Haggared song, goes like this. “Let’s chase each other round the room tonight, just like we did on our wedding night.” What time should I expect you?
That’s what I love about Mespo and Anonymous, even when they are woefully “wrong”, they never admit it. Sure, he was really Portugese AY, thanks for rewriting history from the planet bizarro……..
Christopher Columbus sailed under the flag of Castille not Portugal, get your data straight AY. Your history is as crooked as a dogs’ hind leg
You should submit a post on ‘Craigs List’, you are deperately in need of the company of a man……
Byron, I am not mad, you claimed you were interested in the Church, I don’t believe you. I think you are only interested in arguing and trying to impress the vampires that parasitize this blog on a daily basis. If you are genuinely interested, go buy the book I told you about. You will never buy it because you are not even interested! Go read some Locke, that should calm you….
I guess if Columbus had been born in Rome he would still be Portugese or maybe a Spaniard or a Visigoth…..
Wayne 1, September 3, 2009 at 6:31 pm
I guess if Columbus had been born in Rome he would still be Portugese or maybe a Spaniard or a Visigoth…..
You are an idiot. You cannot even read what is put out before you. Can we say he was born in Genoa, he married a daughter of a Portuguese Governor and sailed for Isabella Queen of Spain. Hence he sailed under the Spanish Flag. Geeze.
Open wide here comes that airplane spoon.
The Portugese have for years claimed Columbus as there own, I have been to Italy and Genoa, go tell the Italians he is Portugese! If you want to split hairs you may call him a Genoese, but never a Portugese.
Wayne 1, September 3, 2009 at 6:16 pm
You should submit a post on ‘Craigs List’, you are deperately in need of the company of a man……
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Oh and I was going to save me only for you.
AY, you need to post on Craig’s List. Find a man to share your disordered and lonely life with. Go dancing, see a movie, curl up with a good book on Catholic apologetics….
Wayne 1, September 3, 2009 at 6:40 pm
The Portugese have for years claimed Columbus as there own, I have been to Italy and Genoa, go tell the Italians he is Portugese! If you want to split hairs you may call him a Genoese, but never a Portugese.
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Did anyone say that he was Portuguese by birth> Can we learn a new word for the day? Nee. He was born in Genoa which was once an independent country, kinda like Monaco. He was living and married to a daughter whose father was a Governor. Can we say this out loud. Repeat after me. Yeah I knew you could do it, now what do you want to know about Texas?
I am married AY, and I don’t date schizophrenics, who are non compliant with there meds….
I would love to do a case study on you AY. Your posts are most revealing……
Wayne 1, September 3, 2009 at 6:45 pm
I am married AY, and I don’t date schizophrenics, who are non compliant with there meds….
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So is Judge Hetchfrom Tacoma Washington. He is Catholic too with a family and esposed family values. He is currently under investigation for solicitation for male prostitutes oops under aged boy for Oral Sex.
You should not date, you are married. As Jimmie said, I have committed Lust in my mind. Are you dating outside the vows of Marriage. Remember Bill said a BJ is not Sex. So I guess you can give one and not be breaking your vows of marriage. See the laws of your state for adultery. A BJ between two men is not Adultery. Now a male and boy that is pedophilia, which if you are studying the RCC is not a crime. But in the real world it is. So plain the difference Ricky.
Wayne 1, September 3, 2009 at 6:47 pm
I would love to do a case study on you AY. Your posts are most revealing……
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Please do, don’t forget the Viagra though. ROFLMAO
I personally like Texas. I went camping in the Davis Mountains some years ago. I like California much more….
I know you are lonely, and I would love to indulge you in your codependency, but I have to step out. My wife is pulling up in the garage. Maybe you can ring Mespo, and you two can compare notes……
Pickling is an almost lost cooking art in this country, gyges. Between that and the brewing I’m starting to think you’re a “slow food” foodie. Being Southern by birth I naturally prefer my green tomatoes fried but like them I do. If you are interested in seeing how far you can go with pickling, might I suggest looking to the Japanese. They do some very interesting pickling.
Speaking of pick-ling, now would be a good time to go vote for our host at LawDragon via the link conveniently included in the article above.
Say, isn’t that a big ape climbing that building over there?
(AY, seriously, you’re dealing with a well known troll here. And he can go on in his Papist induced madness, hm, what’s the word I’m looking for . . . endlessly. Draw your tactics and diagnosis with that info in mind and recall the words of Barney Frank so recently at a heath care town hall. I usually opt for the W.C. Fields with a fade.)
Why yes it is a big ape! It’s wearing a sign. It says, “Vote Turley, Vote Often” Remember folks, if a giant ape can climb a building to advertise his voting preference, by Jebus, you can use your free speech too and vote today!
Follow the link.
It’s easier than scaling the Chrysler Building or any other NYC high rise of that era.
Any similarity between this wildlife endorsement of Prof. Turley and a well known film is unavoidable.
Offer valid in all fifty states.
Void where prohibited.
Buddha,
I’m as involved in as many steps of my food as I can (practicably) be. In a week or so I’ll be acquiring my meat somewhere in Wyoming, we’ve got a small garden. Back when I was in the Pacific North-West, we used to go out every weekend to an overgrown park and spend 30 min. picking blackberries for jelly. We both bake, can, butcher, roast, pickle, smoke, dehydrate, etc.
Now if you don’t mind, I’d like to go for a walk while humming a Shaker Hymn (which isn’t really a hymn).
Buddha,
For your boilerplate file….
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In reference to the off topic church business: Ever heard of the Magdalene Laundries? Victims’ stories of this cruelty can be found on Youtube, however, I preferred to post this song.
Emmylou does a version, too. Also, incredible.
I left the computer on, and noticed a Martha Stewart Coffee Klatch! Aaaaah, aren’t you special buddha(pest), sharing cooking secrets with the lads. My wife just read your post and howled, HOWLED with laughter. Why don’t you guys go play darts and watch a ball game, the NCAA football season starts tonight. Buddha(pest)you are the gift that keeps on giving…….
You know, attorneys have been some of my best clients. I usually charge them the most….
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and flys like a duck, guess what? IT’S A DUCK!
Wayne 1, September 3, 2009 at 6:57 pm
I personally like Texas. I went camping in the Davis Mountains some years ago. I like California much more….
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I am sure that the people in California like your kind. Please stay. In the Davis Mountains that good. They do have a Clothing Optional section. Is that where you go?
Wayne 1, September 3, 2009 at 8:18 pm
You know, attorneys have been some of my best clients. I usually charge them the most….
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I am sure you are an attorneys best friend. How many houses did you purchase for them with your retainers? I am quite sure you have been a defendant more than once.
Gyges 1, September 3, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Buddha,
. . . . Back when I was in the Pacific North-West, we used to go out every weekend to an overgrown park and spend 30 min. picking blackberries for jelly. We both bake, can, butcher, roast, pickle, smoke, dehydrate, etc.
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Wow when I was in the Pacific NW we usually got half baked or half pickled. Now if you did them both were a pickled baker? Ah and then the allure of Twinkies. Freshly Fried. Sometimes it only took 30 minutes for the baking process to set in.
Have you ever tried Peanut Butter and South American Habaneros? Don’t. Bad ideal.
I am not in real estate, and don’t work as a loan officer. Attorneys have been some of my best clients, although Truth be told I get to treat very few, most never come in voluntarily for treatment.
Bob,
If I may be so bold: Do not operate while asleep; DON’T PANIC; The value of the item is in the collectible container and not its contents.
A Vote for Turley is a vote for a guy that had someone else post a long collection of disclaimers in the comments section of his blog!
Wayne 1, September 3, 2009 at 8:51 pm
I am not in real estate, and don’t work as a loan officer. Attorneys have been some of my best clients, although Truth be told I get to treat very few, most never come in voluntarily for treatment.
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Thanks good. Take your meds now. Are you saying you are turning tricks? Are you saying that you are into Bondage? What exactly is your gig. If you were into real estate and loaning money, you already know how to screw people.
Treatment? That is a good word. Define what you mean for treatment? Is it not clear are you selling snake oil off of the back of a wagon? Some Miracle Cream to grow hair? Chia already has the market.
Your desire to sound clever is evaporating. Consult with your mentor buddha(pest). He will assist you in the creation of clever and witty posts.
Are you seeking a source of “narcissistic supply” AY.Buddha(pest)can’t provide this, because he is looking for new sources….
Buddha(pest), all mentally ill and nowhere to go… but the kitchen
Bob,
Pure genius and added to the file. Thank you, sir. Groucho would have been proud.
Wayne
“for my pride, engendered in me by my knowledge of letters—and it is even as the Apostle said: “Knowledge puffeth itself up” (I Cor. viii. 1)—I knew the humiliation of seeing burned the very book in which I most gloried (I think he was talking about Aristotles’ works).”
Historia Calamitatum: The Story of My Misfortunes
Author: Abelard, Peter (1079-1142)
What do you think about the quote from Corinthians on knowledge?
Why is knowledge a bad thing? Knowledge is our tool with which we humans interact with and control our world. We are curious creatures and desire to know. Is the knowing a threat to God? If it is, God is not so all powerful or has little regard/value for man and his abilities. In which case why would we want to worship a Deity that thinks of us as nothing more than cosmic detritus? Why does God make the universe intelligible if he does not want us to have knowledge of it? Why did he make us curious creatures? Why does the universe, for the most part, reduce to mathematical concepts?
Why does Abelard think a renuncation of knowledge will lead to a better life? You cannot just dismiss knowledge you have attained especially if the knowledge is correct and has been integrated as Abelard probably did while studying Aristotles epistomological process.
“Consult with your mentor buddha(pest). He will assist you in the creation of clever and witty posts.”
And to think I thought you didn’t care.
Sniff, sniff.
You are truly a marvel in psychosis. About every three months you show up, act like a tool, accomplish nothing except looking like you are acting like a tool and maybe bait a couple of people not accustomed to your bullshit or party to how you got kicked out the first time by acting like a violent stalker before switching to your current M.O. of “obnoxious Papist dildo”.
You do this because you claim to like “hacking” on people.
You admit this yourself.
Interesting word choice.
Yep.
Not a psychiatrist in the world would think that’s odd.
Except all of them.
Run along now.
I’m sure your dog has marching orders to give you.
Go Trojans!
Good morning JT, are the results in?
I don’t have to do anything more than scroll through this BS and be totally turned OFF.
Buddah Is Laughing, Anonymously Yours FFLEOI AND Bron 98 are one and the same. NO doubt in my mind – ‘t all.
Whether JT is in on it is another question – ALTOGETHER…
I would hate to think so and that it is, as he expressed, a matter of being simply too busy to notice. I trust him to figure it out.
P.S. Buddah is incapable of leading on ‘these’ or any other important issues. Mark my words…
AND AY, IMO is totally irrelevant, incompetent,and immaterial.
And that’s hard to be all at once, despite Perry Mason’s declarations to the contrary… !!!!!!!!! ;P
Puhleeze!
Summer, Indian style, has finally arrived to Maine and we and our pets are admiring the new ‘green’ construction we had done. We have been riding our horses, everyday, with ALL our dogs in tow and also boating on the weekends whenever we can. What a riot!
It is simply gorgeous here, right now – absolutely, beautiful…
This another part of living in Maine thst we wait for – all year!
http://theseasonalgourmet.ca/2009/06/21/tuscan-lemonade/
This can be made for 2 people, or served by the pitcher for a crowd – I have given instructions for both. You can also lighten it up by using sparkling water in place of the prosecco/sparkling wine.
Helpful tip: Use fresh lemon juice instead of the bottled kind if possible. To get the most juice from a lemon, roll it on the countertop before cutting it open, pressing down on it so the insides break up a bit. Keep lemons at room temperature instead of in the fridge.
Tuscan Lemonade
Makes 2 drinks – see below for pitcher proportions to serve a crowd
* 3 oz. limoncello liqueur
* 2 oz. fresh lemon juice
* About 200 to 250 ml / approximately 1 cup (8 oz.) prosecco, cava or other inexpensive sparkling wine to top drink (substitute sparkling water for a lighter drink)
* Ice
* Lemon slices to garnish
1. Fill a cocktail shaker with ice and add limoncello and lemon juice. Shake well and strain into lowball glasses or small wine glasses.
2. Top with prosecco/cava/sparkling water and garnish with a lemon slice.
3. Serve with a dish of olives, if desired.
To Make a Pitcher of Lemonade:
The proportions for 2 drinks are 3:2:8 so you can adjust it accordingly for a group. For 8 people, you would need:
* 12 oz. (1-1/2 cups) limoncello
* 8 oz. (1 cup) fresh lemon juice
* 32 oz. (4 cups) sparkling wine or water
1. Instead of mixing in a cocktail shaker, just mix in a pitcher, add a few ice cubes and chill in the fridge until serving. Cut lemons into slices and toss into the pitcher. Garnish glasses with lemon slices for serving, if desired.
Cheers and Enjoy!
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PC’s NOTE: Can be concocted several days in advance.
I, personally, would not do any more than a work-week ahead
- for MY guests…
http://www.recipezaar.com/Tuscan-Lemonade-114283
Tuscan Lemonade
Recipe #114283 | 13 days | 10 days prep | add private note
By: seahorse73
Mar 25, 2005
Good for make ahead party cocktail. Courtesy of Star Chefs: Tommy Benedict, Beppe, NY
SERVES 12 (change servings and units)
Ingredients
* 24 ounces fresh squeezed lemon juice (about 20 lemons)
* 16 ounces citrus-infused vodka
* 6 ounces licor 43 liqueur
* 8 ounces water
* 1 bunch fresh thyme
* simple syrup
Directions:
1. Place lemon juice in 2-quart sealable container. Add vodka, Licor 43, water and thyme. Seal and refrigerate. Let rest for 2 days.
2. After 2 days, add simple syrup to taste, but slightly less sweet than you’d like. Reseal and refrigerate another day.
3. On the third day, add more simple syrup if necessary. Serve from a pitcher in martini glasses with crushed ice.
4. Garnish with a sprig of thyme.
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Peach Sangria
Makes 4-1/2 cups of sangria
* 1 750-ml bottle of inexpensive sparkling wine such as a cava or prosecco
* 1/2 cup peach schnapps
* 1 cup peach juice
* 1 large ripe peach, pitted and diced
* Ice cubes
In a large pitcher, pour in the sparkling wine. Mix in the peach schnapps and peach juice and stir together. Add ice cubes and the diced peach. Use a spoon when pouring to control the peach pieces in each drink.
Enjoy!
Ice cold peach sangria – the perfect refreshment on a hot August afternoon
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Lemon-Garlic Dip for Artichokes
Makes 3/4 cup
(VEGETARIAN)
* 3/4 cup Hellman’s or Best Foods style light mayonnaise
* 1-1/2 teaspoons fresh lemon juice
* 1/2 teaspoon grated lemon zest
* 1 small garlic clove, very finely minced
* Lemon zest strips, to garnish (optional)
* Toothpicks to dip artichokes
1. In a bowl, add mayonnaise, lemon juice, grated lemon zest and garlic. Stir to combine thoroughly.
2. Arrange cooked artichokes on a platter and pour dip into a side dish. Garnish with lemon zest strips if desired. Use toothpicks to dip the artichokes in the mayo.
Bon Appétit and Enjoy!
Well Patty, it’s becoming well established that your mind is clearly out of order.
I can promise you this: all my posts come through MY proxy, as in I own it. It’s in KC where I am. So you could clear up your little paranoid fantasy by e-mailing our host and asking for verification that I post from a different IP than the others, but that would just negatively impact the delusion you’re building for yourself that I’m part of some conspiracy to get you.
So what’s next, Princess? How are you going to show your penis envy and self-loathing drunkenness next? More ranting about how others are ruining “your blog”? Some more ass kissing to get the couple of regulars that haven’t turned on you yet to still keep talking to you?
You gonna claim we’re all the same alien and we’re trying to eat your brain?
Because that’s just about how sane you come off at this point, Ms. Paranoid Serial Aggressor.
You keep coming back for all I care, you simple minded drunk. Every time you mention my name, I’ll make you look like an even bigger ass than you are for your efforts.
Try adding some lithium to that recipe. It can’t hurt. Cut back on the gin too.
Patty C:
Thanks for the recipe. That’s the most refreshing thing on this blog in a while!
Right, Linux, which you tout as your own which it is NOT is a
Jonathan has become a patsy for you and I hope he figures it out
- sooner rather than later. Only then will he rebut
I have been ‘around’ politics a long, long, long long-time
- ie people who accept into my world TRUST moi, implicitly…
NO SHIT!!! AND I’ll post it all again, too.
I have plenty of doable recipes even for the least of you.
I am a gourmand and a chef – ask mespo., as he is as well..
You need not be like us to do your own thing in
the kitchen.
Unlike ‘others’, I don’t need to be the boss, but I have been selected because I know what I am talking about.
I don’t look for it, but I accept it as part of my persona to be a leader.
It’s who I am….
mespo727272 1, September 4, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Patty C:
Thanks for the recipe. That’s the most refreshing thing on this blog in a while!
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Totally refreshing and you are very most welcome indeed, mespo. Enjoy.
‘High Fives’ all around,
PC {;*)
What you are, Patty, is totally full of crap and suffering from the delusion anyone other than yourself cares what you say about anything other than perhaps food since other than talking about food and one instance of health care, all you’ve done for a month now is attack-attack-attack. And people are laughing at you, although some have shown great annoyance. Other regulars. Not just people you’ve attacked. I tried to warn you, but noooooo. The harder you attack, the more petty and ridiculous you’ll continue to look. Or hasn’t that sunk in just yet? Or do you want to attack some more? Proclaim your victory and piss in the corners, Ms. Boss? How about a victory lap?
Since the only thing you’ve spoken with value in the last month is food related, why not go be a pain in the ass over at FoodTV?
Oh, that’s right. Because you’re the “chosen” leader and this your site. Well, there’s only one “leader” here and you ain’t it, Clown Girl. Because if you were, you could do more to stop me from retaliating against your perpetual aggression besides digging a deeper hole. I haven’t been banished either, sweetie, so put that in your “I’m Special” pipe and smoke it. It’ll help you with that blatant insecurity. Or not.
But really . . .
Start taking your meds. Or would you like a cross to hang from while you preen about how special you are? Whatever is wrong with your ego is not attractive nor conducive to polite social interactions you feel are even the slightest bit out of your control.
Bad news. I’m totally out of your control. I’m out of most people’s control because, duh, I can think for myself. But you can influence me to leave you alone. Or didn’t you notice I don’t talk about or to you when you don’t talk about or to me? See, unlike you, I capable of keeping my word. And my word was “an eye for an eye”.
Every time you mention me, I’m going to point out that all you do anymore is kiss ass and attack people like a bi-polar drunk pit bull on crank.
Enjoy, Princess.
You asked for it.
And the beauty of it is that you’re predictable. You’ll ask for it again. With your very next attack that you just can’t stop yourself from making.
Can you?
You just can’t stop.
See, that’s the biggest difference. My actions are based in choice. A rational decision based on your irrational attacks after many attempts to get you to stop acting like seeing you next Tuesday. Your actions? Not so much logic based, are they?
You have no restraint or impulse control when it comes to me.
Does your hubby get jealous about how much time you obviously spend thinking about me and how much you “hate” me? Surely he must notice . . . assuming he’s not made up too, Ms. “I’m a medical researcher/doctor/insurance claims adjuster”. Or does he spend all his time out of the house because you’re there?
But please . . .
Attack me again, Princess. Covered in gasoline as you are, I’ll gladly keep handing you matches.
‘… Does your hubby get jealous about how much time you obviously spend thinking about me and how much you “hate” me? Surely he must notice . . . assuming he’s not made up too, Ms. “I’m a medical researcher/doctor/insurance claims adjuster”. Or does he spend all his time out of the house because you’re there?
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My SO is NOT my ‘hubby’ and you are completely irrelevant in our scheme of things…
He and I were both married and lived with others before we met and see no reason to legalize our relationship. I have several diamond rings for every ooccasion. I can marry any time I please, however, I like our relationship exactly as it is. I don’t need the license to know our love is complete
- thank you.
Besides, our way is much sexier …
Buddha & Gyges,
Lest we forget one of the most famous disclaimers of all…
Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/happy-fun-ball/229058/
Oh Happy Fun Ball! I thought I’d never see you again! lol
Thanks, Bob. It’s a classic, right up there with my faves “Bass-O-Matic ’76″ and “Colon Blow/Super Colon Blow Cereal”.
I told you couldn’t stop yourself, Patty.
Thanks for proving me right once again.
Please. Attack some more. Show you have no self control and are obsessed.
It’s funny.
since you brought it up, do you live together?
Exactly right, BILe – Colon-Blo, because you are full of it…
Hah!!!!!!!!! ;P
Nice to see you keep proving how completely mentally ill you are, Patty. Keep on giving us more evidence of your compulsion.
Obviously, I push your buttons, BILe
Everytime you respond as you do, for me, it’s child’s play.
Since you’re slow on the uptake, perhaps what you really need to do is grow up, eh? It may ‘help’.
Hah!
Once again, please everyone drop the taunting and personal attacks. There is no reason to attack people on a personal level or question their motivations for comments. This type of sniping is ruining this forum in a blog version of the tragedy of the commons. Everyone who discusses these topics in a civil manner is welcome. Those who cannot will find an endless supply of blogs that seem to relish name calling and personal attacks. This is just not one of those sites. I deeply value our regulars and it would be a shame for any to be run off. At the same time, I have worked hard not to banish people on a blog committed to free speech. Once again, I do not want to supply adult supervision or authoritarian control. Please please forego further personal attacks and let’s get back to ridiculing life in general.
And we come to the Rubicon . . .
I’ve stated how I’ll conduct myself and it’s based entirely upon her behavior towards me. Social interactions are reciprocal. If you’d rather have someone here that now four regulars (myself, AY, gyges, FFLEO) have requested you remove for being a perpetual irritant, that’s your choice Professor. Sweet Jumping Jebus, even that troll IS said she’d gone too far. That’s telling in and of itself. Like I said, I’m sympathetic to your reasoning vis a vis free speech and supervision. I have always complied in the past with your requests for me to play nice, but really you’ve only asked the once. I try to be a good guest. But I’m not her doormat any more than I am for trolls. If you expect me to act as such, you haven’t gotten to know me as well as you might have.
Simply ask me to leave. It’ll calm her down for a little while until she re-targets. I’ll do it if you like. This is a hobby. I can take my toys and go elsewhere to play by your leave. Your party, your guest list. Just ask. No problem. I’ll never darken your door again. I can use the bits and scraps of time for lots of things.
I do have an issue though that may influence your decision on asking me to leave.
As far as I’m concerned, I’m not taking any crap off Patty without exposing her as the serial aggressor she is. Sorry. It’s just that simple. We’ve all had to endure her hateful and often nonsensical personal onslaughts against Jill and AY. I went out of my to let her back down when she decided to open a third front on me. I’ve been more than reasonable. I’ve even asked nicely before unsheathing my claws. I’m fresh out of compassion for her and her actions. She talks bad about me, not about my arguments or statement – me, as in ad hominem babble that has become her trademark – and I’ll turn it back on her every time. Not because it hurts me, but because she’s acting like an ass. For every action there will be an equal and opposite reaction. I gave every quarter possible possible before changing to “an eye for an eye”. I yield this far and no further. I also went a long, long time before unsheathing the claws. I did so out of respect for the forum and her regular status. But quite simply, I’m starting to see why FFLEO characterized this situation in terms of bias. How many cautions are enough? Seriously, did Bron get this many? Where’s the line between free speech and shit disturber? It seems like she doesn’t have one. Surely no one would allow a physical guest to act like her, would they? I know she’d be on the lawn at my house or possibly in the back of squad car. It’s almost like there are two sets of rules. I’ll be glad to leave if my only option is to quietly be whipping boy for Ms. Bad Manners.
Simply ask. I’ll go with no fuss. Say ‘ciao’ and be gone.
Just don’t ask me not to defend after so many chances were offered for an aggressor to walk away.
I won’t do it. It’s not in my nature.
BIL:
I have deleted entries in the past from Patty and others when they have strayed into personal attacks. Many have gotten by under the radar. I was barred of the more vicious trolls and bad citizens but I have done that with reluctance. i still believe that the least regulation of free speech is the best. However, this situation shows that we need to eliminate the personal stuff. I sincerely hope that you will remain and continue to contribute to the site. However, I am asking everyone to end this thread and resume our scrutiny of the world outside.
I have stated my position and will act accordingly as future situations dictate. By your leave, I now drop this thread. I do sincerely hope I won’t have to pick it up again.
N.B.
Not even in a Greek Tragedy of the Commons should anyone taunt Happy Fun Ball.
And here’s today’s Informal Fallacy tip, brought to you by the folks at ‘Spin Alley’….
Argument from ignorance
The two most common forms of the argument from ignorance, both fallacious, can be reduced to the following form:
* Something is currently unexplained or insufficiently understood or explained, so it is not (or must not be) true.
* Because there appears to be a lack of evidence for one hypothesis, another chosen hypothesis is therefore considered proven.
Argument from personal incredulity
Two common versions of the argument from personal incredulity are:
* “I can’t believe this is possible, so it can’t be true.” (The person is asserting that a proposition must be wrong because he or she is [or claims to be] unable or unwilling to fully consider that it might be true, or is unwilling to believe evidence which does not support her or his preferred view.)
* “That’s not what people say about this; people instead agree with what I am saying.” (Here the person is asserting that a proposition must be inaccurate because the opinion of “people in general” is claimed to agree with the speaker’s opinion, without offering specific evidence in support of the alternative view.) This is also called argumentum ad populum.
An argument from personal incredulity is the same as an argument from ignorance only if the person making the argument has solely their particular personal belief in the impossibility of the one scenario as “evidence” that the alternative scenario is true (i.e., the person lacks relevant evidence specifically for the alternative scenario).
Quite commonly, the argument from personal incredulity is used in combination with some evidence in an attempt to sway opinion towards a preferred conclusion. Here too, it is a logical fallacy to the degree that the personal incredulity is offered as further “evidence.” In such an instance, the person making the argument has inserted a personal bias in an attempt to strengthen the argument for acceptance of her or his preferred conclusion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
Bob,
That’s not an example of a true argument from ignorance, it eats it’s oats with cream.
Unlike Prof. Turley who only eats oats that have never even heard of cream. Which is why he should get your vote for “favorite lawyer.”
How’s that for a Segue?
Gyges,
Honestly, you lost me on the oats and cream segue. Note how I didn’t lean on an argument from personal incredulity though.
Speaking of Argument from personal incredulity, if you look at it closely while reflecting back on the most heated political arguments, doesn’t it just knock the wind out of your sails as you realize that mankind has not evolved an inch from the slime that spawned him?
How’s that segue?
Bob,
Apparently the whatever source I learned the “No True Scotsman” fallacy from is the only one that used cream instead of sugar.
Who knew?
Wayne, why didn’t you answer my post on knowledge?
You are nothing but a provocateur and have no interest in explaining the gospels of the RCC to anyone and I even bought ‘Father Smith Instructs Jackson’.