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	<title>Comments on: Justice Sonia Sotomayor&#8217;s Free-Speech Tests</title>
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		<title>By: Verrill</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/05/justice-sonia-sotomayors-free-speech-tests/#comment-119192</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Verrill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good evening. The truth is always a compound of two half- truths, and you never reach it, because there is always something more to say. Help me! Can not find sites on the: Free share trading service nz. I found only this - &lt;a href=&quot;http://tt.tlu.ee/Members/ShareTrading/share-trading-permission&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;share trading permission&lt;/a&gt;. Share trading, company disadvantage in non-tradable technicians is aware to trading brokers. All, money management means you how reasonable traders to find at any traded environment and information trading is where you must establish you have become the croatian loss, plant that share and compare on, share trading. With best wishes :rolleyes:, Verrill from Mauritius.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good evening. The truth is always a compound of two half- truths, and you never reach it, because there is always something more to say. Help me! Can not find sites on the: Free share trading service nz. I found only this &#8211; <a href="http://tt.tlu.ee/Members/ShareTrading/share-trading-permission" rel="nofollow">share trading permission</a>. Share trading, company disadvantage in non-tradable technicians is aware to trading brokers. All, money management means you how reasonable traders to find at any traded environment and information trading is where you must establish you have become the croatian loss, plant that share and compare on, share trading. With best wishes :rolleyes:, Verrill from Mauritius.</p>
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		<title>By: Former Federal LEO</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Former Federal LEO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What say you Justice Sotomayor and Professor Turley?  Do corporations get to claim First Amendment rights?  Make billions in mistakes and all you have to do is claim the 1st and then plead the 5th!
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For two decades, the nation&#039;s top credit rating agencies have managed to fend off a crackdown from Washington by relying on a surprising ally - the First Amendment.

Despite their key role in the most recent economic calamity, the three big bond raters--Standard &amp; Poor&#039;s, Moody&#039;s and Fitch--seem poised to do it again. With help from two of the most storied constitutional lawyers in the country, the raters have successfully argued that when they make a mistake -- say, awarding the top triple-A grade to a multibillion-dollar bundle of bonds that later default -- they cannot be sued or held accountable.

That&#039;s because ratings are opinions, the agencies claim, protected by the constitutional right to free speech.


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/28/under-attack-credit-rater_n_337712.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What say you Justice Sotomayor and Professor Turley?  Do corporations get to claim First Amendment rights?  Make billions in mistakes and all you have to do is claim the 1st and then plead the 5th!<br />
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<p>For two decades, the nation&#8217;s top credit rating agencies have managed to fend off a crackdown from Washington by relying on a surprising ally &#8211; the First Amendment.</p>
<p>Despite their key role in the most recent economic calamity, the three big bond raters&#8211;Standard &amp; Poor&#8217;s, Moody&#8217;s and Fitch&#8211;seem poised to do it again. With help from two of the most storied constitutional lawyers in the country, the raters have successfully argued that when they make a mistake &#8212; say, awarding the top triple-A grade to a multibillion-dollar bundle of bonds that later default &#8212; they cannot be sued or held accountable.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because ratings are opinions, the agencies claim, protected by the constitutional right to free speech.</p>
<p>Read more at: <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/28/under-attack-credit-rater_n_337712.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/28/under-attack-credit-rater_n_337712.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Former Federal LEO</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/05/justice-sonia-sotomayors-free-speech-tests/#comment-84015</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Former Federal LEO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 01:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah Buddha.  However, I am bankin&#039; on her not readin&#039; that thread of mine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Buddha.  However, I am bankin&#8217; on her not readin&#8217; that thread of mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddha Is Laughing</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/05/justice-sonia-sotomayors-free-speech-tests/#comment-84011</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buddha Is Laughing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 01:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FFLEO,

You do know Jill still posts here, right? ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FFLEO,</p>
<p>You do know Jill still posts here, right? <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Former Federal LEO</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/05/justice-sonia-sotomayors-free-speech-tests/#comment-84004</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Former Federal LEO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well of course, she is a woman!  

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Sotomayor Asks More Questions In An Hour Than Thomas Has In Years

Does Clarence Thomas really ask so few questions that Sotomayor could beat his total in an hour, you may wonder. Indeed, he does. As the AP reported in February 2008, Thomas had gone 2 years and 144 cases without speaking up during oral arguments. &quot;It is a period of unbroken silence that contrasts with the rest of the court&#039;s unceasing inquiries,&quot; the AP wrote at the time. 

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/06/sotomayor-asks-more-quest_n_310988.html
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Full disclosure: I support Ms. Sotomayor.

You need to the the photo of old &#039;Tony n&#039; Clarence&#039; at HuffPo with Ms. Soto.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well of course, she is a woman!  </p>
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<p>Sotomayor Asks More Questions In An Hour Than Thomas Has In Years</p>
<p>Does Clarence Thomas really ask so few questions that Sotomayor could beat his total in an hour, you may wonder. Indeed, he does. As the AP reported in February 2008, Thomas had gone 2 years and 144 cases without speaking up during oral arguments. &#8220;It is a period of unbroken silence that contrasts with the rest of the court&#8217;s unceasing inquiries,&#8221; the AP wrote at the time. </p>
<p>Read more at: <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/06/sotomayor-asks-more-quest_n_310988.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/06/sotomayor-asks-more-quest_n_310988.html</a><br />
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<p>Full disclosure: I support Ms. Sotomayor.</p>
<p>You need to the the photo of old &#8216;Tony n&#8217; Clarence&#8217; at HuffPo with Ms. Soto.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary T</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Henry is right and so is Rafflaw on the Donniger case.

Sotomayor&#039;s vote in Donniger shows a overreaching expectation of state jurisdiction.

All seem to forget the base context of any minor student school case - the minors are COMPELLED by law to be there. That alone is reprehensible to my sensibilities, but when the state then parlays that offense into justification to curtail even more freedoms, on the basis of compelled association no less, it breaks all bounds of reasonable legal reasoning.
The justification of control over the student&#039;s personal life, unrelated to his school activities, is that he is a student there, is just a naked assertion of moral-based micromanagement, capricious control over another human being.
Maddening.

On the right to sell photos of a crime that one did not participate in, I would go it one further and say the same principle should apply even to child pornography.

To make criminal &quot;depictions&quot; of a crime, that is, images, seems to go beyond the letter of constitutional law. Images alone can never be a crime - sure they can be evidence of the crime committed, but inofthemselves?, it is a vicarious reference to an evil, it is a depiction of a crime, not a crime itself.
I know the argument, that the images themselves are a commodity that encourages the crime, but that is a leap of associative logic that lead to a slippery slope. 
It legitimizes the precedent that photos of any arbitrary crime (or anything at all) could be made illegal. That then slips into making depictions of depictions illegal, which is the stuff of storytelling and drama.
However reprehensible pornographic child abuse is, I cannot see how a piece of paper with ink on it, or worse pixels/bits in a computer, can be seriously proclaimed a crime inofitself without a bit of magical mysticism necessarily backing it up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry is right and so is Rafflaw on the Donniger case.</p>
<p>Sotomayor&#8217;s vote in Donniger shows a overreaching expectation of state jurisdiction.</p>
<p>All seem to forget the base context of any minor student school case &#8211; the minors are COMPELLED by law to be there. That alone is reprehensible to my sensibilities, but when the state then parlays that offense into justification to curtail even more freedoms, on the basis of compelled association no less, it breaks all bounds of reasonable legal reasoning.<br />
The justification of control over the student&#8217;s personal life, unrelated to his school activities, is that he is a student there, is just a naked assertion of moral-based micromanagement, capricious control over another human being.<br />
Maddening.</p>
<p>On the right to sell photos of a crime that one did not participate in, I would go it one further and say the same principle should apply even to child pornography.</p>
<p>To make criminal &#8220;depictions&#8221; of a crime, that is, images, seems to go beyond the letter of constitutional law. Images alone can never be a crime &#8211; sure they can be evidence of the crime committed, but inofthemselves?, it is a vicarious reference to an evil, it is a depiction of a crime, not a crime itself.<br />
I know the argument, that the images themselves are a commodity that encourages the crime, but that is a leap of associative logic that lead to a slippery slope.<br />
It legitimizes the precedent that photos of any arbitrary crime (or anything at all) could be made illegal. That then slips into making depictions of depictions illegal, which is the stuff of storytelling and drama.<br />
However reprehensible pornographic child abuse is, I cannot see how a piece of paper with ink on it, or worse pixels/bits in a computer, can be seriously proclaimed a crime inofitself without a bit of magical mysticism necessarily backing it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddha Is Laughing</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buddha Is Laughing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[doh!

&quot;Citizens United v. F.E.C.&quot;  

Cursed multitasking!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>doh!</p>
<p>&#8220;Citizens United v. F.E.C.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Cursed multitasking!</p>
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		<title>By: TomD.Arch</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another issue with a ban on films of animal cruelty - PETA and similar groups use such films in their political speech in an attempt to have laws changed.  I wonder if the big meat producing companies supported this law - it could criminalize protesters who might film them throwing live chicks into grinders, or using electric prods on injured cows during slaughter and so on.

Personally, I&#039;m a leather shoe wearing omnivore, but it seems that responsible groups (which might or might not include PETA) should have the right to document and share evidence of animal slaughter practices (and abuses) for their political speech.

As an aside: I&#039;ll be in DC next week and looking forward to hearing some of the oral arguments.  The cases being heard on the day we can get over there aren&#039;t particularly exciting, but should will be interesting!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another issue with a ban on films of animal cruelty &#8211; PETA and similar groups use such films in their political speech in an attempt to have laws changed.  I wonder if the big meat producing companies supported this law &#8211; it could criminalize protesters who might film them throwing live chicks into grinders, or using electric prods on injured cows during slaughter and so on.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m a leather shoe wearing omnivore, but it seems that responsible groups (which might or might not include PETA) should have the right to document and share evidence of animal slaughter practices (and abuses) for their political speech.</p>
<p>As an aside: I&#8217;ll be in DC next week and looking forward to hearing some of the oral arguments.  The cases being heard on the day we can get over there aren&#8217;t particularly exciting, but should will be interesting!</p>
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		<title>By: jonolan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jonolan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That makes sense, Henry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That makes sense, Henry.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the animal cruelty case, the decision should turn on whether the statute bans only photographs where the animal cruelty took place for the sake of producing the pictures.  If it does, then it is analogous to statutes that ban child pornography produced with a real child and should be upheld.  If, however, the statute covers pictures taken by someone uninvolved with the animal cruelty, then it should be struck down as violating the First Amendment; one generally has a right to sell photographs of a crime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the animal cruelty case, the decision should turn on whether the statute bans only photographs where the animal cruelty took place for the sake of producing the pictures.  If it does, then it is analogous to statutes that ban child pornography produced with a real child and should be upheld.  If, however, the statute covers pictures taken by someone uninvolved with the animal cruelty, then it should be struck down as violating the First Amendment; one generally has a right to sell photographs of a crime.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddha Is Laughing</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/05/justice-sonia-sotomayors-free-speech-tests/#comment-83686</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buddha Is Laughing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting article on how SCOTUS may address the &quot;tide of fascism&quot; (my words) in the coming term, including Citizens United v. U.S. (corporate free speech - don&#039;t be me started) and In Re Bilski (patent case critical to the software industry). 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/us/politics/05scotus.html?hp]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article on how SCOTUS may address the &#8220;tide of fascism&#8221; (my words) in the coming term, including Citizens United v. U.S. (corporate free speech &#8211; don&#8217;t be me started) and In Re Bilski (patent case critical to the software industry). </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/us/politics/05scotus.html?hp" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/us/politics/05scotus.html?hp</a></p>
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		<title>By: jonolan</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/05/justice-sonia-sotomayors-free-speech-tests/#comment-83672</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jonolan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mespo,

You have nothing to choose from then. Sotyomayer has reject pleas for exactly the same reason. Of course we likely differ in opinion on whether some felon&#039;s last ditch bid not to be justly executed should have been heard in the 1st place, just as we likely differ in opinion on animal cruelty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mespo,</p>
<p>You have nothing to choose from then. Sotyomayer has reject pleas for exactly the same reason. Of course we likely differ in opinion on whether some felon&#8217;s last ditch bid not to be justly executed should have been heard in the 1st place, just as we likely differ in opinion on animal cruelty.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymously Yours</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/05/justice-sonia-sotomayors-free-speech-tests/#comment-83653</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymously Yours]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fatally efficient is too much when one innocent life could be spared. Life is but a dream when human kind today lays its trust in another. The irony is that the ones that touted personal responsibility are the ones with the least accountability. 

I would take back their devil with his lady in a blue dress any day of the week before entrusting the morals of the right wing to deem for me what is right.

Yesterday was a type of right to life day by even the christian fundamentalist. This is wrong on so many fronts. Children teach your children well is all I can say, they will select your quality of care later in life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fatally efficient is too much when one innocent life could be spared. Life is but a dream when human kind today lays its trust in another. The irony is that the ones that touted personal responsibility are the ones with the least accountability. </p>
<p>I would take back their devil with his lady in a blue dress any day of the week before entrusting the morals of the right wing to deem for me what is right.</p>
<p>Yesterday was a type of right to life day by even the christian fundamentalist. This is wrong on so many fronts. Children teach your children well is all I can say, they will select your quality of care later in life.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[janolan:

&quot;Fortunately there is still a majority of right-thinking, moral judges in the SCOTUS.&quot;

************

Yep, they&#039;re the guys who denied a death row appeal because it was filed a day late. Right-thinking and moral, indeed. How about just fatally &quot;efficient?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>janolan:</p>
<p>&#8220;Fortunately there is still a majority of right-thinking, moral judges in the SCOTUS.&#8221;</p>
<p>************</p>
<p>Yep, they&#8217;re the guys who denied a death row appeal because it was filed a day late. Right-thinking and moral, indeed. How about just fatally &#8220;efficient?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rafflaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I expect Sotomayor to show her true colors and protect the First Amendment.  However, the animal cruelty films aren&#039;t very high on my list to protect. I have alsonot seen the Hillary movie mentioned above, so I cannot compare Moore&#039;s 9/11 movie to the Hillary movie.  However, the student free speech case, Doninger v. Niehoff was a travesty and an attack on the First Amendment.  How a student can be disciplined by school officials for speech outside of school is beyond me.  Students have long been second class citizens and Sotomayor&#039;s vote was inexcusable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I expect Sotomayor to show her true colors and protect the First Amendment.  However, the animal cruelty films aren&#8217;t very high on my list to protect. I have alsonot seen the Hillary movie mentioned above, so I cannot compare Moore&#8217;s 9/11 movie to the Hillary movie.  However, the student free speech case, Doninger v. Niehoff was a travesty and an attack on the First Amendment.  How a student can be disciplined by school officials for speech outside of school is beyond me.  Students have long been second class citizens and Sotomayor&#8217;s vote was inexcusable.</p>
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		<title>By: jonolan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jonolan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh,I&#039;m fairly sure that Sotomayor will vote in favor of &quot;protecting&quot; such filth. Fortunately there is still a majority of right-thinking, moral judges in the SCOTUS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh,I&#8217;m fairly sure that Sotomayor will vote in favor of &#8220;protecting&#8221; such filth. Fortunately there is still a majority of right-thinking, moral judges in the SCOTUS.</p>
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		<title>By: eniobob</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Kitty Stomping is Sick
But are depictions of animal cruelty the legal equivalent of child pornography? The Supreme Court will decide.

By Krista Gesaman &#124; Newsweek Web Exclusive&quot;

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But are depictions of animal cruelty the legal equivalent of child pornography? The Supreme Court will decide.</p>
<p>By Krista Gesaman | Newsweek Web Exclusive&#8221;</p>
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