Comments on: The Case Against the Separation of Church and State http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/ Res ipsa loquitur ("The thing itself speaks") Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:28:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Marsha Christ http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-94254 Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:24:24 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-94254 I already gave my response to the picture which shows a majority of white people and the darker ones in the back, corner, in the dark. He depicted Jesus as a White man, and Satan as Dark one; well at least he got half of it right.

]]> By: Establishment Clause Round-Up | People v. State http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-85163 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:08:56 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-85163 [...] Jonathan Turley (The Case Against the Separation of Church and State) and Christus Victor Ministries (Painted Idolatry: “One Nation Under God”) comes this [...]

]]> By: seamus http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84549 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:01:44 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84549 FFLEO,

Thanks for those links, the funny one and the stupid/scary one. You helped me waste a good hour at work this Friday. Cheers.

]]> By: Gyges http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84384 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:28:54 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84384 BIL,

For some reason that reminds me of that part in Atlas Shrugged where the “rational” judge edited the Constitution after a group of wealthy individuals work to destroy the economy of the United States.

Wait a second… Does Alito vacation in Colorado?

]]> By: TomD.Arch http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84383 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:27:16 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84383 For anyone who isn’t familiar with the “fascinating” thinking and “extraordinary” version of history that led to the painting: It’s largely from the work of Cleon Skousen, who makes Dan Brown look pretty lacking in creativity. The “College Student” (Regent Law School?) holds a copy of Cleon’s best known book, “The 5,000 Year Leap,” which lays out the vision that the Constitution is “a godly document.” This is a version of history entirely unencumbered by folks like Voltaire or other radically liberal Enlightenment thinking.

It’s worth understanding that when Glen Beck, the teabaggers and similar folks rant seemingly incoherently about “the Constitution,” they have a very different document in mind that we silly folks do. We read it and notice that the only mentions of religion are the Establishment Clause and the prohibition on religious tests, and that “God” or “Christ” are entirely absent from the document. They imagine that the Constitution was passed from God to the founders (hmm… kinda like how the Qur’an was narrated to Muhammad?) and that it means whatever they want it to mean. Not a good setup for reasoned debate…

]]> By: Buddha Is Laughing http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84313 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:54:01 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84313 lol

“I’m sorry Thomas and James. You boys did a fine job along with your friends. I know it’s good work but these zealots are only going to screw it up by saying either Me or My Father want another theocracy. If We did, We’d have made them instead of giving you lot the idea for a Constitution in the first place. So now I’m taking back the Constitution. I have no choice. I’d rather not but Dad insisted. It’s a great piece of work but something is wrong with the humans. They can’t seem to grasp the importance of the Separation of Church and State not just for maintenance of the country, but to protect Our Greatest Gift of All to you people: Free Will. Maybe they’ll appreciate the beauty of this document a bit better on Zeta Reticuli. I’m going to show it to them. I’ll keep you inside on the low down on how it works out for them.”

]]> By: mespo727272 http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84292 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:32:39 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84292 Looks to these irreligious eyes like Jesus is taking the document away from the founders, not giving it to them. About right.

]]> By: Patrick Oden http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84285 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:10:53 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84285 Is that Reagan in there? Ha. Funny.

I like how most persons whose hands we can see are doing something rather goofy with their hands. I guess that’s to try to make the painting full of action poses?

Would the painting be allowed under the Magically Inspired Document Rule?

]]> By: Elaine M. http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84268 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 04:16:21 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84268 I think that’s actually a painting that depicts Jesus announcing the publication of the new conservative version of the Bible. (You’ll notice the liberal with his head in his hands in the lower right corner of the picture.)

http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project

]]> By: Dredd http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84245 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 01:31:59 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84245 What a worn out phrase “separation of church and state”. It is so yesterday.

Keep it simple.

The clause is better interpreted as “no single religion can be favoured or disfavoured by the federal government”. And to the extent that this clause applies to the states, neither can they.

The separation notion goes back to a time when churches crowned emperors when there was a need for “separation”.

]]> By: Husker Blue http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84228 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 00:18:15 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84228 I believe the child is pointing out the clause prohibiting any religious tests for offices of public trust.

]]> By: pardon me? http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84224 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:41:32 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84224 who’s the hippie holding the hemp?

]]> By: mespo727272 http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84216 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:03:05 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84216 I know the picture cited above is authentic since we can see Abraham Lincoln in his best Al Jolson stance. I can almost hear him singing:

“Look at me, Mammy! Don’t you know me?
I’m your little baby!
I’d walk a million miles
For one of your smiles,
My Mammy! ”

About the mindset of the creator of the work, I’m sure, but no less ridiculous than the premise of the picture.

]]> By: Roland http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84214 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:57:20 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84214 If you look closely, Jesus is looking for someone to translate this script, it’s not even in hebrew, Lincoln is trying to show him up by doing his rendition of AL Jolson: “Mammie”. The guy on the phone has a call to Mel Brooks saying he’s found the guy for the “History of Man” part II the sequeal. and the guy holding his head in his hands is Jesus’ agent who’s crying “how is this guy going to get the part if he can’t even read English. Reagan is in the backgroung, MIFFED at his agent because he didn’t even hear about the part and thinks he can do it better. The kid just pulled something out of his nose and needs a place to wipe it. And finally Ben Franklin is having a heart attack at the thought that the Christian loonies are taking over his country. What a sad depiction of an American in a Painting.

]]> By: alien parasite http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84211 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:50:01 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84211 Buddha is Laughing,

The Mother Ship has landed. Please pack minimal provisions. The space will be limited for travel. Please prepare for the final decimation. We provide all necessaries. For this you should be prepared.

]]> By: Jill http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84207 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:37:13 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84207 Oh, and is that little boy Timmy? If so, where is Lassie? DOG is GOD spelled backward. I can’t say anymore, they’re already coming for m……
………

]]> By: pardon me? http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84206 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:36:35 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84206 sure looks white

]]> By: Jill http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84205 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:33:30 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84205 Here are some Brownian clues. There’s a guy on a cell phone. Just who is he calling? The pregnant woman? Is it a virgin birth or does she really want a late term abortion on demand? The man with his head in his hands? Did they just torture the location of the Grail out of him? Jesus is dressed like Lady Justice. If he were at the supreme court and his chest was showing, would John Ashcroft cover him up? Which brings me to this cryptic phrase–”Let the Eagle Soar”–something that could only be sung after drinking too much really bad beer.

I must say that is a stunning piece of evidence and it pretty much resolves the whole issue.

]]> By: Vince Treacy http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84200 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:14:26 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84200 Gyges,

Dan foresaw this. Some of the action in The Lost Symbol takes place under the painting of the Apotheosis of Washington on teh ceiling of Rotunda of the Capitol.

It depicts George Washington ascending to Heaven, presumably to rejoin Jesus and to thank him for the assistance.

See the Architect of the Capitol’s webpage:

http://www.aoc.gov/cc/art/rotunda/apotheosis/Overview.cfm

When in Boston, visit the Sam Adams brewery in Jamaica Plain.

]]> By: Buddha Is Laughing http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84194 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:09:17 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84194 I was really hoping when I saw this earlier today that it was just another flashback or perhaps some kind of alien parasite had invaded my brain.

]]> By: Former Federal LEO http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84175 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:18:47 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84175 Here is the link to the orignal captions to the painting by McNaughton when using the mouse cursor by rolling over the figures.

http://www.mcnaughtonart.com/artwork/view_zoom/?artpiece_id=353

Hey, Gyges, I am just the messenger and I don’t drink so I did not know about ol’ Sam Adams’ brew.

]]> By: Gyges http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84173 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:08:12 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84173 FFLEO,

Talk about inaccurate satire. Sam Adams was a shitty Maltster, and Boston Brewery mostly makes good beer (not a fan of their cherry wheat).

]]> By: Former Federal LEO http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84169 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:57:35 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84169 Follow the link to a parody of the drawing of ‘One Nation Under God’ shown above. Roll your mouse arrow over the figures for some satire.

http://www.shortpacked.com/McNaughton%20Fine%20Art.htm

]]> By: Gyges http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/07/the-case-against-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-84159 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:34:41 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=15817#comment-84159 One wonders what conspiracy Dan Brown would claim stems from that iconography.

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