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	<title>Comments on: Bible Battles: Students Use Free Gideon Bibles in Texas Schools to Beat Jewish Students and Roll Joints</title>
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		<title>By: LetusReason</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 06:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Debating with someone who does not believe in God, without first discussing said subject, is almost always fruitless. 
If they are firmly set on not believing in God, there answers will always include - &quot;you have no proof.&quot;
Since they are correct, we cant see God.. and a simple explanation of &quot;Yes. We also cannot see the wind but we see its effects?&quot; Brings the response of pretty much - 
&quot;Thats something different...&quot;

Truth be told, most who scoff at God and/or belief systems in him (though religion today is a farce and a huge disrespect to the True God), plainly have no desire to *submit* to any higher power, that they don&#039;t &quot;deem&quot; correct for that position. Disregarding whether their own views may be flawed or not... 

much more to say- so little time..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debating with someone who does not believe in God, without first discussing said subject, is almost always fruitless.<br />
If they are firmly set on not believing in God, there answers will always include &#8211; &#8220;you have no proof.&#8221;<br />
Since they are correct, we cant see God.. and a simple explanation of &#8220;Yes. We also cannot see the wind but we see its effects?&#8221; Brings the response of pretty much &#8211;<br />
&#8220;Thats something different&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Truth be told, most who scoff at God and/or belief systems in him (though religion today is a farce and a huge disrespect to the True God), plainly have no desire to *submit* to any higher power, that they don&#8217;t &#8220;deem&#8221; correct for that position. Disregarding whether their own views may be flawed or not&#8230; </p>
<p>much more to say- so little time..</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tootie:

&quot;Tell us all who the Canaanites were and what does one do with a civilization whose worship of God includes bestiality, sodomy, and offering infants alive on a red hot brazen alter (which cooks them to death)?&quot;

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Why clearly Tootie you put every man, woman, child, and pet to the sword and then sow salt on their lands. You see we know that each and every Canaanite was intrinsically evil, especially the infants, who really enjoyed the primitive practice of human sacrifice. The same for those pesky Amalchites. We know that, contrary to Edmund Burke&#039;s naivete&#039;, you certainly can indict an entire population for the sins of the few, and we also know that the Israelites would never exaggerate or contradict themselves in their divine history book. We further know that God ordains certain religions to act as his deliverers of divine retribution and the Israeli&#039;s were certainly the ones as we can readily tell from their magic books which they wrote and which told them so. (A little cautionary note here, please don&#039;t tell the radical muslims that they aren&#039;t the chosen ones to deliver punishment, it might get your tongue cut off and make them rethink, if only for a moment, their next flight of fancy into a western building.)

If you want to believe the blood thirsty tales of some First Century Iron Age tribe, and then abjectly bow down in worship, you have every right to do so, but please don&#039;t consider yourself enlightened or immune from criticism for believing in preposterous things with no proof of them. Please don&#039;t misjudge my comments for bigotry against religion, it&#039;s bigotry directed against fools  who guide their lives by superstition or arrogance, or, most likely, both.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tootie:</p>
<p>&#8220;Tell us all who the Canaanites were and what does one do with a civilization whose worship of God includes bestiality, sodomy, and offering infants alive on a red hot brazen alter (which cooks them to death)?&#8221;</p>
<p>************</p>
<p>Why clearly Tootie you put every man, woman, child, and pet to the sword and then sow salt on their lands. You see we know that each and every Canaanite was intrinsically evil, especially the infants, who really enjoyed the primitive practice of human sacrifice. The same for those pesky Amalchites. We know that, contrary to Edmund Burke&#8217;s naivete&#8217;, you certainly can indict an entire population for the sins of the few, and we also know that the Israelites would never exaggerate or contradict themselves in their divine history book. We further know that God ordains certain religions to act as his deliverers of divine retribution and the Israeli&#8217;s were certainly the ones as we can readily tell from their magic books which they wrote and which told them so. (A little cautionary note here, please don&#8217;t tell the radical muslims that they aren&#8217;t the chosen ones to deliver punishment, it might get your tongue cut off and make them rethink, if only for a moment, their next flight of fancy into a western building.)</p>
<p>If you want to believe the blood thirsty tales of some First Century Iron Age tribe, and then abjectly bow down in worship, you have every right to do so, but please don&#8217;t consider yourself enlightened or immune from criticism for believing in preposterous things with no proof of them. Please don&#8217;t misjudge my comments for bigotry against religion, it&#8217;s bigotry directed against fools  who guide their lives by superstition or arrogance, or, most likely, both.</p>
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		<title>By: Tootie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tootie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is likely that those students who were throwing bibles are the types who will grow up and post bigoted remarks about Christians and other religious people at Jonathan Turley&#039;s blog.

Clearly, they had contempt for the Bible, like many of those posting here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is likely that those students who were throwing bibles are the types who will grow up and post bigoted remarks about Christians and other religious people at Jonathan Turley&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>Clearly, they had contempt for the Bible, like many of those posting here.</p>
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		<title>By: Tootie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tootie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mespo:

Tell us all who the Canaanites were and what does one do with a civilization whose worship of God includes bestiality, sodomy, and offering infants alive on a red hot brazen alter (which cooks them to death)?

When a man who practices these things shows up at the tent of your sister or daughter and there is no one there to protect her, don&#039;t you hope she might have the opportunity to get a tent peg in his head before anything amiss happens to her?

Or do you think she should just wait until the cops arrive on their horses after she sends up a smoke signal across the desert?

If a kid picks up a history book that tells the story of the Lincoln assassination, will you blame the history books if a kid heads off to kill a president at a theater?

Is it your position that if the bible relays a story about crime (rape, robbery, etc) that means the bible is promoting it? 

If so, you better start burning history books.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mespo:</p>
<p>Tell us all who the Canaanites were and what does one do with a civilization whose worship of God includes bestiality, sodomy, and offering infants alive on a red hot brazen alter (which cooks them to death)?</p>
<p>When a man who practices these things shows up at the tent of your sister or daughter and there is no one there to protect her, don&#8217;t you hope she might have the opportunity to get a tent peg in his head before anything amiss happens to her?</p>
<p>Or do you think she should just wait until the cops arrive on their horses after she sends up a smoke signal across the desert?</p>
<p>If a kid picks up a history book that tells the story of the Lincoln assassination, will you blame the history books if a kid heads off to kill a president at a theater?</p>
<p>Is it your position that if the bible relays a story about crime (rape, robbery, etc) that means the bible is promoting it? </p>
<p>If so, you better start burning history books.</p>
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		<title>By: So Left I'm Right</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[So Left I'm Right]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If they forced a Bible on me in public school I would have burned it.  SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they forced a Bible on me in public school I would have burned it.  SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[VJBinCt:

&quot;When the Gideons start handing out tent pegs, we’re all in the crapper.&quot;

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I am already handing &#039;em out in hopes of starting a trend. Call me sacrilegious.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VJBinCt:</p>
<p>&#8220;When the Gideons start handing out tent pegs, we’re all in the crapper.&#8221;</p>
<p>**********************<br />
I am already handing &#8216;em out in hopes of starting a trend. Call me sacrilegious.</p>
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		<title>By: VJBinCT</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VJBinCT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Godammit, Mespo!  When the Gideons start handing out tent pegs, we&#039;re all in the crapper.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Godammit, Mespo!  When the Gideons start handing out tent pegs, we&#8217;re all in the crapper.</p>
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		<title>By: Gyges</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gyges]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Raff,

 Texas will never secede. Too many migratory old folk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raff,</p>
<p> Texas will never secede. Too many migratory old folk.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine M.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elaine M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lottakatz--

So glad you enjoyed that comment.

I was raised a Catholic--and learned about the &quot;nine choirs of angels&quot; in parochial school. Each choir has its own specific duties. To learn more about angels, check out the following link:

http://www.catholic.org/saints/anglchoi.php


You&#039;ve got to wonder what kind of folks made this stuff up centuries ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lottakatz&#8211;</p>
<p>So glad you enjoyed that comment.</p>
<p>I was raised a Catholic&#8211;and learned about the &#8220;nine choirs of angels&#8221; in parochial school. Each choir has its own specific duties. To learn more about angels, check out the following link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.catholic.org/saints/anglchoi.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.catholic.org/saints/anglchoi.php</a></p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got to wonder what kind of folks made this stuff up centuries ago.</p>
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		<title>By: lottakatz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lottakatz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 02:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Elaine M. 
&quot;Byron,  Maybe it’s time to start wondering how many pinheads can dance on the head of an angel.&quot;

____________________

LOL, Outstanding, Elaine, outstanding   :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elaine M.<br />
&#8220;Byron,  Maybe it’s time to start wondering how many pinheads can dance on the head of an angel.&#8221;</p>
<p>____________________</p>
<p>LOL, Outstanding, Elaine, outstanding   <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymously Yours</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymously Yours]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Praise the Lord Sezmus,

I found my salvation. Amen brotha, I no longer need the divine order of the most holy buffalo of the western plains of the south fork of the mississippi delta basin. Amen brotha and sista&#039;s please pass the basket as god never meant for me to be poor. I will take away the evil that sunburns your soul. This is the least I can do for my faithful followers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Praise the Lord Sezmus,</p>
<p>I found my salvation. Amen brotha, I no longer need the divine order of the most holy buffalo of the western plains of the south fork of the mississippi delta basin. Amen brotha and sista&#8217;s please pass the basket as god never meant for me to be poor. I will take away the evil that sunburns your soul. This is the least I can do for my faithful followers.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FFLeo:

Thanks a lot FFLeo. Pretty soon you&#039;ll be telling &#039;em there is no Santa Claus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FFLeo:</p>
<p>Thanks a lot FFLeo. Pretty soon you&#8217;ll be telling &#8216;em there is no Santa Claus.</p>
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		<title>By: Former Federal LEO</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Former Federal LEO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Um, for y&#039;all former baptized Southin&#039; Baptists--like me--please be aware that the Landover Church is a pardy&#039; and not the True Gospel.  

I read 2 full web pages a&#039;fore I realized that it was satire....

I shoulda knowed that &#039;cause seamus linked to the religious site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, for y&#8217;all former baptized Southin&#8217; Baptists&#8211;like me&#8211;please be aware that the Landover Church is a pardy&#8217; and not the True Gospel.  </p>
<p>I read 2 full web pages a&#8217;fore I realized that it was satire&#8230;.</p>
<p>I shoulda knowed that &#8217;cause seamus linked to the religious site.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine M.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elaine M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Byron,

Maybe it&#039;s time to start wondering how many pinheads can dance on the head of an angel. Another thought: Who needs reason and logic when you&#039;ve got faith???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Byron,</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s time to start wondering how many pinheads can dance on the head of an angel. Another thought: Who needs reason and logic when you&#8217;ve got faith???</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[seamus:

That website is pure gold!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seamus:</p>
<p>That website is pure gold!</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Byron:

Imagine all the time lost and intellect wasted on parsing this collective delusion of religion.

But even Aquinas wouldn&#039;t stomach these religious fools, He did say, after all, &quot;Beware the man of one book.&quot; More importantly he was a believer in rational thought and that man could &quot;know&quot; things independent of divine revelation--quite revolutionary for the version 1.0  fundamentalism he had to suffer. He also famously said &quot;&quot;Nihil est in intellectu quod non fuerit prius in sensu.&quot; (There is nothing in the intellect that did not first start in the senses).

Aquinas seems a man torn between his rational side seeking truth where both he and Aristotle thought it would be found, and the conventions of the theocratic age in which he lived. He tried to walk the middle ground and felt it shifting beneath his feet. Maybe that is what prompted his lament, &quot;All that I have written seems like straw to me compared to what I have now seen.&quot; One wonders if it was a mystical religious experience showing a deeper and richer theology, or a flash of reason thrusting this collective delusion front and center. History doesn&#039;t tell us, but I think I know.

Seamus:

Indeed you are correct. It should have been the Jewish kids beating their Torah&#039;s into spears as the old saying goes. But these Christian kids are more &quot;orthodox&quot; it seems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Byron:</p>
<p>Imagine all the time lost and intellect wasted on parsing this collective delusion of religion.</p>
<p>But even Aquinas wouldn&#8217;t stomach these religious fools, He did say, after all, &#8220;Beware the man of one book.&#8221; More importantly he was a believer in rational thought and that man could &#8220;know&#8221; things independent of divine revelation&#8211;quite revolutionary for the version 1.0  fundamentalism he had to suffer. He also famously said &#8220;&#8221;Nihil est in intellectu quod non fuerit prius in sensu.&#8221; (There is nothing in the intellect that did not first start in the senses).</p>
<p>Aquinas seems a man torn between his rational side seeking truth where both he and Aristotle thought it would be found, and the conventions of the theocratic age in which he lived. He tried to walk the middle ground and felt it shifting beneath his feet. Maybe that is what prompted his lament, &#8220;All that I have written seems like straw to me compared to what I have now seen.&#8221; One wonders if it was a mystical religious experience showing a deeper and richer theology, or a flash of reason thrusting this collective delusion front and center. History doesn&#8217;t tell us, but I think I know.</p>
<p>Seamus:</p>
<p>Indeed you are correct. It should have been the Jewish kids beating their Torah&#8217;s into spears as the old saying goes. But these Christian kids are more &#8220;orthodox&#8221; it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: seamus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[seamus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mespo,

Check out the web site for Landover Baptist Church. You&#039;ll dig it the most me thinks. Also based on those passages, all from the pre-Jebus Old Testiment, shouldn&#039;t the Jewish kids have been beating up the &quot;Christian&quot; kids? Just saying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mespo,</p>
<p>Check out the web site for Landover Baptist Church. You&#8217;ll dig it the most me thinks. Also based on those passages, all from the pre-Jebus Old Testiment, shouldn&#8217;t the Jewish kids have been beating up the &#8220;Christian&#8221; kids? Just saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Byron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Byron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[can the dark ages &quot;be&quot; far behind.

(the devil made me do it)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can the dark ages &#8220;be&#8221; far behind.</p>
<p>(the devil made me do it)</p>
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		<title>By: Byron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Byron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mespo:

I read a good book review on Rodney Stark&#039;s &quot;The Victory of Reason&quot; and one of the quotes [from the review] was about Thomas Aquinas being the foremost authority on &quot;Angelology&quot; or the study of nothing.  The author of the review was making the case that Aquinas could have used his considerable intellect to solve some of the problems of the Middle Ages rather than be distracted by the RCC and it&#039;s desire to &quot;prove&quot; the tenants of faith.

When you read about the rise of religious fundamentalism in this country one wonders if we are headed back to a time when men wondered how many angels could dance on the head of a pin and the associated dismantling of reason.  When Jews are &quot;stoned&quot; with bibles can the dark ages we far behind?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mespo:</p>
<p>I read a good book review on Rodney Stark&#8217;s &#8220;The Victory of Reason&#8221; and one of the quotes [from the review] was about Thomas Aquinas being the foremost authority on &#8220;Angelology&#8221; or the study of nothing.  The author of the review was making the case that Aquinas could have used his considerable intellect to solve some of the problems of the Middle Ages rather than be distracted by the RCC and it&#8217;s desire to &#8220;prove&#8221; the tenants of faith.</p>
<p>When you read about the rise of religious fundamentalism in this country one wonders if we are headed back to a time when men wondered how many angels could dance on the head of a pin and the associated dismantling of reason.  When Jews are &#8220;stoned&#8221; with bibles can the dark ages we far behind?</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine M.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elaine M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those Gideon folks have made it as far north as Massachusetts. Not long ago, they were passing out Bibles outside of a middle school in Danvers. They weren&#039;t on school property though. A number of parents whose children attend the school were upset and complained to the principal. The principal, other school administrators, and the police department were on hand to watch the distribution.

I guess no one threw the holy books at other students--or used the pages for rolling joints...at least not as far as I&#039;ve heard.


I&#039;ve included a link to an article that was published in the Salem News, a local paper, on Septmenber 25, 2009.

&quot;Some upset over Gideons&#039; Bible handout to students&quot;

http://salemnews.com/punews/local_story_267235627.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those Gideon folks have made it as far north as Massachusetts. Not long ago, they were passing out Bibles outside of a middle school in Danvers. They weren&#8217;t on school property though. A number of parents whose children attend the school were upset and complained to the principal. The principal, other school administrators, and the police department were on hand to watch the distribution.</p>
<p>I guess no one threw the holy books at other students&#8211;or used the pages for rolling joints&#8230;at least not as far as I&#8217;ve heard.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve included a link to an article that was published in the Salem News, a local paper, on Septmenber 25, 2009.</p>
<p>&#8220;Some upset over Gideons&#8217; Bible handout to students&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://salemnews.com/punews/local_story_267235627.html" rel="nofollow">http://salemnews.com/punews/local_story_267235627.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Former Federal LEO</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Former Federal LEO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Y’all non-Texas folk aint got no nowledge  of theys slow, drawlin&#039; Texican voice.  

Bible = Bauble

Them kids wuz juss a’ throwin’ them Gidyon Baubles as alms to the poor jerwish lad who wuz a’needin’ a bit of christian  chararty and larnin’..., 

A favorite Texas sayin’ of mine—when Texans are surprised, shocked, or disgusted—is:

“I’ll tell you what!”

However, they *Never* ‘tell you what’... 

I’ll tell Y’all what!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y’all non-Texas folk aint got no nowledge  of theys slow, drawlin&#8217; Texican voice.  </p>
<p>Bible = Bauble</p>
<p>Them kids wuz juss a’ throwin’ them Gidyon Baubles as alms to the poor jerwish lad who wuz a’needin’ a bit of christian  chararty and larnin’&#8230;, </p>
<p>A favorite Texas sayin’ of mine—when Texans are surprised, shocked, or disgusted—is:</p>
<p>“I’ll tell you what!”</p>
<p>However, they *Never* ‘tell you what’&#8230; </p>
<p>I’ll tell Y’all what!</p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rafflaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BH,
That is a good comparison.  I can picture the Minister of Silly Walks going down the school hallways with a bible in his hands.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BH,<br />
That is a good comparison.  I can picture the Minister of Silly Walks going down the school hallways with a bible in his hands.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Hoffman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Hoffman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds more like a Monte Python skit than reality.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds more like a Monte Python skit than reality.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rafflaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not surprised at these bible throwing incidents and attacks because they happened in the great State of Texas.  We have learned here that anything stupid, crazy, illegal, racist and criminal can and will happen in Texas.  This incident of not only allowing bibles in a public school, but allowing them to be used as weapons is commonplace in the home of the American Taliban. Will someone please let Texas secede?!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not surprised at these bible throwing incidents and attacks because they happened in the great State of Texas.  We have learned here that anything stupid, crazy, illegal, racist and criminal can and will happen in Texas.  This incident of not only allowing bibles in a public school, but allowing them to be used as weapons is commonplace in the home of the American Taliban. Will someone please let Texas secede?!</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[marianne:

&quot;Any literature should be passed out to those that actually want to read it, and have some comprehension what the contents are about.&quot;

************

I suspect it is you who needs a session with your Holy Book. These kids probably did read it, and acting in accord with its instructions, did mount the attack on the non-believer:

   &quot;Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed.&quot; (Exodus 22:19 NAB

 &quot;They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.&quot;  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB

  &quot;Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.&quot;  (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

All in all, I find Bible tossing more acceptable than this little scene from Judges:

 &quot;Meanwhile, Sisera ran to the tent of Jael, the wife of Heber the Kenite, because Heber&#039;s family was on friendly terms with King Jabin of Hazor.  Jael went out to meet Sisera and said to him, &quot;Come into my tent, sir.  Come in.  Don&#039;t be afraid.&quot;  So he went into her tent, and she covered him with a blanket.  &quot;Please give me some water,&quot; he said. &quot;I&#039;m thirsty.&quot;  So she gave him some milk to drink and covered him again.  &quot;Stand at the door of the tent,&quot; he told her.  &quot;If anybody comes and asks you if there is anyone here, say no.&quot;  But when Sisera fell asleep from exhaustion, Jael quietly crept up to him with a hammer and tent peg.  Then she drove the tent peg through his temple and into the ground, and so he died.  When Barak came looking for Sisera, Jael went out to meet him.  She said, &quot;Come, and I will show you the man you are looking for.&quot;  So he followed her into the tent and found Sisera lying there dead, with the tent peg through his temple.  So on that day Israel saw God subdue Jabin, the Canaanite king.  And from that time on Israel became stronger and stronger against King Jabin, until they finally destroyed him.&quot;   (Judges 4:17-24 NLT)

Holy,indeed, but I suspect you are missing out on the  obvious &quot;glory and majesty&quot; of the pages because, like many Christians, you&#039;ve never read the book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>marianne:</p>
<p>&#8220;Any literature should be passed out to those that actually want to read it, and have some comprehension what the contents are about.&#8221;</p>
<p>************</p>
<p>I suspect it is you who needs a session with your Holy Book. These kids probably did read it, and acting in accord with its instructions, did mount the attack on the non-believer:</p>
<p>   &#8220;Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed.&#8221; (Exodus 22:19 NAB</p>
<p> &#8220;They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.&#8221;  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB</p>
<p>  &#8220;Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.&#8221;  (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)</p>
<p>All in all, I find Bible tossing more acceptable than this little scene from Judges:</p>
<p> &#8220;Meanwhile, Sisera ran to the tent of Jael, the wife of Heber the Kenite, because Heber&#8217;s family was on friendly terms with King Jabin of Hazor.  Jael went out to meet Sisera and said to him, &#8220;Come into my tent, sir.  Come in.  Don&#8217;t be afraid.&#8221;  So he went into her tent, and she covered him with a blanket.  &#8220;Please give me some water,&#8221; he said. &#8220;I&#8217;m thirsty.&#8221;  So she gave him some milk to drink and covered him again.  &#8220;Stand at the door of the tent,&#8221; he told her.  &#8220;If anybody comes and asks you if there is anyone here, say no.&#8221;  But when Sisera fell asleep from exhaustion, Jael quietly crept up to him with a hammer and tent peg.  Then she drove the tent peg through his temple and into the ground, and so he died.  When Barak came looking for Sisera, Jael went out to meet him.  She said, &#8220;Come, and I will show you the man you are looking for.&#8221;  So he followed her into the tent and found Sisera lying there dead, with the tent peg through his temple.  So on that day Israel saw God subdue Jabin, the Canaanite king.  And from that time on Israel became stronger and stronger against King Jabin, until they finally destroyed him.&#8221;   (Judges 4:17-24 NLT)</p>
<p>Holy,indeed, but I suspect you are missing out on the  obvious &#8220;glory and majesty&#8221; of the pages because, like many Christians, you&#8217;ve never read the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymously Yours</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Forget about the link above:

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfgZH8kFAKc&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget about the link above:</p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/11/bible-battles-students-use-free-gideon-bibles-in-texas-schools-to-beat-jewish-students-and-roll-joints/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/tfgZH8kFAKc/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymously Yours</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymously Yours]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And to think that Willie got his start selling Bibles outside or Waco. But I could not pass in this one, roll me a fat one and sit back my friend. Looks like Willie again:

 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metacafe.com/watch/157048/ill_never_smoke_weed_with_willie_again/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I&#039;ll Never Smoke Weed With Willie Again&lt;/a&gt; - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metacafe.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The most amazing videos are a click away&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to think that Willie got his start selling Bibles outside or Waco. But I could not pass in this one, roll me a fat one and sit back my friend. Looks like Willie again:</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.metacafe.com/watch/157048/ill_never_smoke_weed_with_willie_again/" rel="nofollow">I&#8217;ll Never Smoke Weed With Willie Again</a> &#8211; <a href="http://www.metacafe.com/" rel="nofollow">The most amazing videos are a click away</a></p>
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		<title>By: marianne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marianne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am starting to think most of this generation cannot read, and do not appreciate anything they are given to read anyhow.  This is the video generation. 

This is the fault of those handing out bibles.  To give them out to such children in an indiscriminate manner is foolish.  

Any literature should be passed out to those that actually want to read it, and have some comprehension what the contents are about.

If these students had been handed &quot;War and Peace,&quot; they would have done the same thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am starting to think most of this generation cannot read, and do not appreciate anything they are given to read anyhow.  This is the video generation. </p>
<p>This is the fault of those handing out bibles.  To give them out to such children in an indiscriminate manner is foolish.  </p>
<p>Any literature should be passed out to those that actually want to read it, and have some comprehension what the contents are about.</p>
<p>If these students had been handed &#8220;War and Peace,&#8221; they would have done the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddha Is Laughing</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buddha Is Laughing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Throwing Bibles.  

I&#039;ll admit it&#039;s a compelling visual, but when asking myself WWJD that&#039;s usually not on the list.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Throwing Bibles.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit it&#8217;s a compelling visual, but when asking myself WWJD that&#8217;s usually not on the list.</p>
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		<title>By: pardon me?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pardon me?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Religion&#039;s going up in smoke.  Munchies laden with sugar and/or artificial dyes linked to behavior problems and hyperactivity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religion&#8217;s going up in smoke.  Munchies laden with sugar and/or artificial dyes linked to behavior problems and hyperactivity.</p>
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