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	<title>Comments on: Spiritual Searing: Two Die and Nineteen Injured in New Age &#8220;Sweatbox&#8221; Ceremony</title>
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		<title>By: Elaine M.</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/11/spiritual-searing-two-die-and-nineteen-injured-in-new-age-sweatbox-ceremony/#comment-85963</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elaine M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was reported yesterday that the sweat lodge deaths are now being investigated as homicides.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was reported yesterday that the sweat lodge deaths are now being investigated as homicides.</p>
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		<title>By: Jericho</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jericho]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, not the spiritual healing I&#039;m looking for in my life...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, not the spiritual healing I&#8217;m looking for in my life&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Spindell</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/11/spiritual-searing-two-die-and-nineteen-injured-in-new-age-sweatbox-ceremony/#comment-85098</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Spindell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jill,
 That was the funniest parody here this year! Delicious acid.

Byron,
 I learned doing psychotherapy that in our society we are trained to believe that all we have to do is pay some money and our deepest problems willed be healed by someone else. Many people came to me not willing to expend the effort that they would need to expend to change their lives. They thought by paying me I would somehow magically transform them. My own psychotherapy succeeded with me (though some would argue differently)because I worked hard at changing.

Charlatans, like these people and EST in the past played up to the belief that you pay your money, listen to the rap and you to will be healed and whole. Many religious crooks also use the same longing of people for change, without having to do their own work to change, as the come-on for what are really scams.

Also too, anyone who has ever used a sauna, or steam room is aware there are warning signs next to the doors the limit you to a maximum of 15 minutes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill,<br />
 That was the funniest parody here this year! Delicious acid.</p>
<p>Byron,<br />
 I learned doing psychotherapy that in our society we are trained to believe that all we have to do is pay some money and our deepest problems willed be healed by someone else. Many people came to me not willing to expend the effort that they would need to expend to change their lives. They thought by paying me I would somehow magically transform them. My own psychotherapy succeeded with me (though some would argue differently)because I worked hard at changing.</p>
<p>Charlatans, like these people and EST in the past played up to the belief that you pay your money, listen to the rap and you to will be healed and whole. Many religious crooks also use the same longing of people for change, without having to do their own work to change, as the come-on for what are really scams.</p>
<p>Also too, anyone who has ever used a sauna, or steam room is aware there are warning signs next to the doors the limit you to a maximum of 15 minutes.</p>
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		<title>By: C.Everett Kook</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[C.Everett Kook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Byron :

do you take credit cards?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Byron :</p>
<p>do you take credit cards?</p>
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		<title>By: Byron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Byron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mespo:

Most assuredly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mespo:</p>
<p>Most assuredly.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Byron:

&quot;the question, to me, is why are there so many people that follow this kind of thing?&quot;

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I think because when you suspend reason in the first place all manner of delusion will then be acceptable to you. Doesn&#039;t that logically follow -- even for the irrational among us. Note the connection between religion (quasi-religion) and suicide or near suicide situations:

Jim Jones and the People&#039;s Temple, David Koresh and the Branch Davidians, Heaven&#039;s Gate, Solar Temple, and the list goes on. There must be some reason there is no shortage of suicide bombers in Gaza, and a dearth in Sweden.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Byron:</p>
<p>&#8220;the question, to me, is why are there so many people that follow this kind of thing?&#8221;</p>
<p>**********</p>
<p>I think because when you suspend reason in the first place all manner of delusion will then be acceptable to you. Doesn&#8217;t that logically follow &#8212; even for the irrational among us. Note the connection between religion (quasi-religion) and suicide or near suicide situations:</p>
<p>Jim Jones and the People&#8217;s Temple, David Koresh and the Branch Davidians, Heaven&#8217;s Gate, Solar Temple, and the list goes on. There must be some reason there is no shortage of suicide bombers in Gaza, and a dearth in Sweden.</p>
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		<title>By: Byron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Byron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the question, to me, is why are there so many people that follow this kind of thing?  Whether it be EST or Tony Robbins or whatever.  It seems to me that people ought to have more brains than thinking a sweat hut is going to bring them wealth.

The only type of sweat that brings wealth is the kind found on your brow.  Some people want the easy way out, in relations, in work, in every single human endeavor some joker wants to evade reality and &quot;discover&quot; an easier way.  And there is always a con man to show them the &quot;way&quot;.  

I am offering for the princely sum of $68.99 a booklet on enduring happiness, attract a mate, learn the secret of wealth creation, learn how to abstain from brushing your teeth and taking a shower and still smell like a rose, learn my 8.5 secrets to good health and general well being, have migraines, foot odor, belly fat, no worries my booklet takes care of all of that and more.

People call me the Guru Dejur (because I don&#039;t know how to spell in french)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the question, to me, is why are there so many people that follow this kind of thing?  Whether it be EST or Tony Robbins or whatever.  It seems to me that people ought to have more brains than thinking a sweat hut is going to bring them wealth.</p>
<p>The only type of sweat that brings wealth is the kind found on your brow.  Some people want the easy way out, in relations, in work, in every single human endeavor some joker wants to evade reality and &#8220;discover&#8221; an easier way.  And there is always a con man to show them the &#8220;way&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I am offering for the princely sum of $68.99 a booklet on enduring happiness, attract a mate, learn the secret of wealth creation, learn how to abstain from brushing your teeth and taking a shower and still smell like a rose, learn my 8.5 secrets to good health and general well being, have migraines, foot odor, belly fat, no worries my booklet takes care of all of that and more.</p>
<p>People call me the Guru Dejur (because I don&#8217;t know how to spell in french)</p>
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		<title>By: Former Federal LEO</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/11/spiritual-searing-two-die-and-nineteen-injured-in-new-age-sweatbox-ceremony/#comment-84934</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Former Federal LEO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“twenty marked vortexes and angel sites to experience connection with Earth and spirit, deep relaxation,...&quot;
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Perhaps the &quot;deep relaxation&quot; claim could be legally construed as death by asphyxiation...(R&#039;zony aint two fur behint’ Texas in legalistic misinterpretations)

Vortexes?  I would *never* trust anyone who used the word “vortexes” instead of vortices.  Folks, this is why you must read the fine print in your Spa contracts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“twenty marked vortexes and angel sites to experience connection with Earth and spirit, deep relaxation,&#8230;&#8221;<br />
_________________________________</p>
<p>Perhaps the &#8220;deep relaxation&#8221; claim could be legally construed as death by asphyxiation&#8230;(R&#8217;zony aint two fur behint’ Texas in legalistic misinterpretations)</p>
<p>Vortexes?  I would *never* trust anyone who used the word “vortexes” instead of vortices.  Folks, this is why you must read the fine print in your Spa contracts.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These two dead people came to the sweat lodge with bad karma and a negative attitude.  They were deliberately trying to bring down a good man whose only focus in life is money.  We don&#039;t have enough people like him who will tell people bull shit so that they can effortlessly draw wealth to themselves.  Anyone who sues him will upset the natural law of the universe.  The truth is, they caused their own death just like people with cancer do.  Everything happens for a reason.  Now some people might think that reason would be a greedy bastard who only cares about money and didn&#039;t care enough to take precautions, but that&#039;s rather cynical, so I&#039;m certain I would never think that!

P.S. I came very close to decking the &quot;Bew&quot; Age person who actually told someone with cancer, they had caused it.  ARRGGGG!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These two dead people came to the sweat lodge with bad karma and a negative attitude.  They were deliberately trying to bring down a good man whose only focus in life is money.  We don&#8217;t have enough people like him who will tell people bull shit so that they can effortlessly draw wealth to themselves.  Anyone who sues him will upset the natural law of the universe.  The truth is, they caused their own death just like people with cancer do.  Everything happens for a reason.  Now some people might think that reason would be a greedy bastard who only cares about money and didn&#8217;t care enough to take precautions, but that&#8217;s rather cynical, so I&#8217;m certain I would never think that!</p>
<p>P.S. I came very close to decking the &#8220;Bew&#8221; Age person who actually told someone with cancer, they had caused it.  ARRGGGG!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymously Yours</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymously Yours]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This makes me think of the Native American Sweat Lodges where divine inspiration is learned. In all activities risk must be taken.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes me think of the Native American Sweat Lodges where divine inspiration is learned. In all activities risk must be taken.</p>
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