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	<title>Comments on: Obama Moves to Change Law to Avoid Supreme Court Ruling on Withheld Detainee Photos</title>
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		<title>By: OBAMA’S ANSWER TO RELEASING TORTURE PHOTOS? GET CONGRESS TO CHANGE THE LAW. &#124; Dy&#039;er Hear?</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/15/obama-moves-to-change-law-to-avoid-supreme-court-ruling-on-withheld-detainee-photos/#comment-160721</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OBAMA’S ANSWER TO RELEASING TORTURE PHOTOS? GET CONGRESS TO CHANGE THE LAW. &#124; Dy&#039;er Hear?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 01:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Law Scholar Jonathan Turley wrote an excellent piece on his blog about this miscarriage of justice:  President BarackN Obama, [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obama fought the law and he won:

&quot;November 14, 2009

ACLU Says Actions Stifle Transparency and Accountability

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: (917) 302-7189 or (212) 549-2666; media@aclu.org

WASHINGTON – In a brief filed late Friday night, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates invoked his authority to block the release of photos depicting the abuse of detainees in U.S. custody overseas. The photos are the subject of an American Civil Liberties Union lawsuit seeking their release. Secretary Gates was granted the authority to exempt certain images from the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) as part of a new law signed by President Obama last month.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama fought the law and he won:</p>
<p>&#8220;November 14, 2009</p>
<p>ACLU Says Actions Stifle Transparency and Accountability</p>
<p>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE<br />
CONTACT: (917) 302-7189 or (212) 549-2666; <a href="mailto:media@aclu.org">media@aclu.org</a></p>
<p>WASHINGTON – In a brief filed late Friday night, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates invoked his authority to block the release of photos depicting the abuse of detainees in U.S. custody overseas. The photos are the subject of an American Civil Liberties Union lawsuit seeking their release. Secretary Gates was granted the authority to exempt certain images from the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) as part of a new law signed by President Obama last month.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob,Esq.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob,Esq.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NY Times Editorial

The Cover-Up Continues

Published October 25, 2009

The Obama administration has clung for so long to the Bush administration’s expansive claims of national security and executive power that it is in danger of turning President George W. Bush’s cover-up of abuses committed in the name of fighting terrorism into President Barack Obama’s cover-up.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/26/opinion/26mon1.html?ref=opinion]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NY Times Editorial</p>
<p>The Cover-Up Continues</p>
<p>Published October 25, 2009</p>
<p>The Obama administration has clung for so long to the Bush administration’s expansive claims of national security and executive power that it is in danger of turning President George W. Bush’s cover-up of abuses committed in the name of fighting terrorism into President Barack Obama’s cover-up.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/26/opinion/26mon1.html?ref=opinion" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/26/opinion/26mon1.html?ref=opinion</a></p>
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		<title>By: truthversuslies</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[truthversuslies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You must realize that the National Security State is paramount..a one trillion dollar military &quot;defence&quot; budget...Obama calls the war in Afghanistan a &quot;War of Necessity&quot;, aping the Richard Haas CFR book &quot;Wars of Choice, Wars of Necessity.&quot; There are no Democrats or Republicans...only the National Security State, the CIA and the NSA, and Homeland Security. Obama is building forward military bases in Colombia to continue our Hegemony in that region...nothing changes, just the branding and the rhetoric.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must realize that the National Security State is paramount..a one trillion dollar military &#8220;defence&#8221; budget&#8230;Obama calls the war in Afghanistan a &#8220;War of Necessity&#8221;, aping the Richard Haas CFR book &#8220;Wars of Choice, Wars of Necessity.&#8221; There are no Democrats or Republicans&#8230;only the National Security State, the CIA and the NSA, and Homeland Security. Obama is building forward military bases in Colombia to continue our Hegemony in that region&#8230;nothing changes, just the branding and the rhetoric.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The administration has also blocked testimony but the UK may get the information out after all:

&quot;There is a vital development -- a new ruling from the British High Court -- in a story about which I&#039;ve written many times before:  the extraordinary joint British/U.S. effort to cover up the brutal torture which Binyam Mohamed suffered at the hands of the CIA while in Pakistan and while he was &quot;rendered&quot; by the U.S. to various countries.  While Mohamed, a British resident, was in American custody, the CIA told British intelligence agents exactly what was done to him, and those British agents recorded what they were told in various memos.  Last year, the British High Court ruled that Mohamed -- who was then at Guantanamo -- had the right to obtain those documents from the British intelligence service in order to prove that statements he made to the CIA were the by-product of coercion.

The High Court&#039;s original ruling in Mohamed&#039;s favor contained seven paragraphs which described the torture to which Mohamed was subjected.  It has been previously reported that those paragraphs contain descriptions of abuse so brutal that not even our own American media could dispute that it constitutes &quot;torture&quot;:

    The 25 lines edited out of the court papers contained details of how Mr Mohamed&#039;s genitals were sliced with a scalpel and other torture methods so extreme that waterboarding, the controversial technique of simulated drowning, &quot;is very far down the list of things they did,&quot; the official said.&quot;

(from Glenn Greenwald&#039;s column of today)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The administration has also blocked testimony but the UK may get the information out after all:</p>
<p>&#8220;There is a vital development &#8212; a new ruling from the British High Court &#8212; in a story about which I&#8217;ve written many times before:  the extraordinary joint British/U.S. effort to cover up the brutal torture which Binyam Mohamed suffered at the hands of the CIA while in Pakistan and while he was &#8220;rendered&#8221; by the U.S. to various countries.  While Mohamed, a British resident, was in American custody, the CIA told British intelligence agents exactly what was done to him, and those British agents recorded what they were told in various memos.  Last year, the British High Court ruled that Mohamed &#8212; who was then at Guantanamo &#8212; had the right to obtain those documents from the British intelligence service in order to prove that statements he made to the CIA were the by-product of coercion.</p>
<p>The High Court&#8217;s original ruling in Mohamed&#8217;s favor contained seven paragraphs which described the torture to which Mohamed was subjected.  It has been previously reported that those paragraphs contain descriptions of abuse so brutal that not even our own American media could dispute that it constitutes &#8220;torture&#8221;:</p>
<p>    The 25 lines edited out of the court papers contained details of how Mr Mohamed&#8217;s genitals were sliced with a scalpel and other torture methods so extreme that waterboarding, the controversial technique of simulated drowning, &#8220;is very far down the list of things they did,&#8221; the official said.&#8221;</p>
<p>(from Glenn Greenwald&#8217;s column of today)</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hmmm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The hooded torture subject, arms outstretched, should replace the Statue of Liberty.  It IS what we stand for. Change? It is the most unbelievable change I could ever have imagined.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hooded torture subject, arms outstretched, should replace the Statue of Liberty.  It IS what we stand for. Change? It is the most unbelievable change I could ever have imagined.</p>
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		<title>By: Blouise</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blouise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bush&#039;s legacy was determined through the choices he made.  Likewise for Obama.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush&#8217;s legacy was determined through the choices he made.  Likewise for Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob,Esq.</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/15/obama-moves-to-change-law-to-avoid-supreme-court-ruling-on-withheld-detainee-photos/#comment-85749</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob,Esq.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike Appleton, 

Seeing Obama has embraced nearly all of the constitutionally abusive policies of Bush/Cheney, where pray tell is the rhetoric calling for his impeachment/imprisonment?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Appleton, </p>
<p>Seeing Obama has embraced nearly all of the constitutionally abusive policies of Bush/Cheney, where pray tell is the rhetoric calling for his impeachment/imprisonment?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Appleton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Appleton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I voted for Pres. Obama not because I was convinced he could readily solve our economic problems or bring about an immediate end to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but because I believed that he understood that the rule of law is more important than anything else and that he was committed to its restoration. Since taking office the legal positions his administration has asserted on torture and rendition, the rights of detainees, executive privilege and the Bill of Rights have been astonishingly abusive to freedom. The politicization of the First Amendment is disgusting. And any effort to delegate to the executive branch the right to determine the limits of free speech is patently unconstitutional. I now fear as well that he cannot be trusted to with future Supreme Court appointments. This latest absurdity is the final straw for me. Progressives need to start mobilizing to make it clear to the president that he&#039;s on a one-term course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted for Pres. Obama not because I was convinced he could readily solve our economic problems or bring about an immediate end to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but because I believed that he understood that the rule of law is more important than anything else and that he was committed to its restoration. Since taking office the legal positions his administration has asserted on torture and rendition, the rights of detainees, executive privilege and the Bill of Rights have been astonishingly abusive to freedom. The politicization of the First Amendment is disgusting. And any effort to delegate to the executive branch the right to determine the limits of free speech is patently unconstitutional. I now fear as well that he cannot be trusted to with future Supreme Court appointments. This latest absurdity is the final straw for me. Progressives need to start mobilizing to make it clear to the president that he&#8217;s on a one-term course.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob,Esq.</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/15/obama-moves-to-change-law-to-avoid-supreme-court-ruling-on-withheld-detainee-photos/#comment-85747</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob,Esq.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;and the Democratic base is passive.&quot;

John Dean: &quot;Leading Democrats is like herding cats&quot;

Go figure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and the Democratic base is passive.&#8221;</p>
<p>John Dean: &#8220;Leading Democrats is like herding cats&#8221;</p>
<p>Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: bdaman</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/15/obama-moves-to-change-law-to-avoid-supreme-court-ruling-on-withheld-detainee-photos/#comment-85691</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bdaman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry here&#039;s the link

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/sright/2009/10/15/part-ii-search-and-ye-shall-find-left-wing-advocacy/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry here&#8217;s the link</p>
<p><a href="http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/sright/2009/10/15/part-ii-search-and-ye-shall-find-left-wing-advocacy/" rel="nofollow">http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/sright/2009/10/15/part-ii-search-and-ye-shall-find-left-wing-advocacy/</a></p>
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		<title>By: bdaman</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/15/obama-moves-to-change-law-to-avoid-supreme-court-ruling-on-withheld-detainee-photos/#comment-85690</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bdaman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Hugo can do it so can I.

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2009/10/15/leaked-memo-reveals-the-white-house-has-control-of-your-television-set/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Hugo can do it so can I.</p>
<p><a href="http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2009/10/15/leaked-memo-reveals-the-white-house-has-control-of-your-television-set/" rel="nofollow">http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2009/10/15/leaked-memo-reveals-the-white-house-has-control-of-your-television-set/</a></p>
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		<title>By: bdaman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bdaman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Makes no decision on troops for Afganistan but can divert $2.6 Billion for pet projects. Way to support the troops Mr. President.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/15/troop-funds-diverted-to-pet-projects/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makes no decision on troops for Afganistan but can divert $2.6 Billion for pet projects. Way to support the troops Mr. President.</p>
<p><a href="http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/15/troop-funds-diverted-to-pet-projects/" rel="nofollow">http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/15/troop-funds-diverted-to-pet-projects/</a></p>
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		<title>By: bdaman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bdaman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JT Quote

He is claiming that he can deny the media and the public such pictures simply because he views them as controversial and likely to cause anger from Muslims. It is an exception that would swallow the rule.

Unquote

By filing MTD&#039;s he is claiming that he can deny the media and the public from seeing his original birth data and all of his records. Why do you act so surprised.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JT Quote</p>
<p>He is claiming that he can deny the media and the public such pictures simply because he views them as controversial and likely to cause anger from Muslims. It is an exception that would swallow the rule.</p>
<p>Unquote</p>
<p>By filing MTD&#8217;s he is claiming that he can deny the media and the public from seeing his original birth data and all of his records. Why do you act so surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: CEJ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CEJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Professor Turley (and all who have already posted here):

I do agree with you this is disgraceful and reprehensible, particularly because this is not the CHANGE we were promised.

JT wrote: &quot;He is claiming that he can deny the media and the public such pictures simply because he views this as controversial and likely to cause anger from Muslims.&quot; 

Just to play devil&#039;s advocate the AP article states: &quot;The president said he was persuaded that disclosure could further incite violence in Afganistan and Iraq and endanger U.S. troops there.&quot;  

Looks like Obama has decided that the OUTRAGE from those who would (and have been) accusing the administration of not being willing to do enough to keep America and our troops safe is greater than the outrage from civil libertarians.  
Unfortunately, he is right(we want left); but certainly not correct.

IMHO: Please end the wars now! Please Bring Our Troops Home!

Also from the AP link: &quot;International outrage resulted when photographs from the Iraqi prison showing physical abuse and sexual humiliation of inmates that took place under the Bush Administration were revealed.....The government dropped its appeal related to those photos after they were made public and posted on the internet.&quot;

IMHO:  Please would someone with ideals, principles, and sufficient cajones please leak/post these photos!

Professor Turley you wrote &quot;The media is largely silent.&quot;

IMHO: JT, we need your voice if Keith or Rachel have not yet called you today, maybe you could call them; you might be heard.

P.S.   As to the five Norwegians who awarded Obama the Nobel prize; (while i am still hoping he will earn it) I predict the phrase:  &quot;He won the Nobel prize but....&quot; will become as trite as &quot;We put a man on the moon but....&quot;


P.P.S. Where have you been Buddha, I hope you are laughing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor Turley (and all who have already posted here):</p>
<p>I do agree with you this is disgraceful and reprehensible, particularly because this is not the CHANGE we were promised.</p>
<p>JT wrote: &#8220;He is claiming that he can deny the media and the public such pictures simply because he views this as controversial and likely to cause anger from Muslims.&#8221; </p>
<p>Just to play devil&#8217;s advocate the AP article states: &#8220;The president said he was persuaded that disclosure could further incite violence in Afganistan and Iraq and endanger U.S. troops there.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Looks like Obama has decided that the OUTRAGE from those who would (and have been) accusing the administration of not being willing to do enough to keep America and our troops safe is greater than the outrage from civil libertarians.<br />
Unfortunately, he is right(we want left); but certainly not correct.</p>
<p>IMHO: Please end the wars now! Please Bring Our Troops Home!</p>
<p>Also from the AP link: &#8220;International outrage resulted when photographs from the Iraqi prison showing physical abuse and sexual humiliation of inmates that took place under the Bush Administration were revealed&#8230;..The government dropped its appeal related to those photos after they were made public and posted on the internet.&#8221;</p>
<p>IMHO:  Please would someone with ideals, principles, and sufficient cajones please leak/post these photos!</p>
<p>Professor Turley you wrote &#8220;The media is largely silent.&#8221;</p>
<p>IMHO: JT, we need your voice if Keith or Rachel have not yet called you today, maybe you could call them; you might be heard.</p>
<p>P.S.   As to the five Norwegians who awarded Obama the Nobel prize; (while i am still hoping he will earn it) I predict the phrase:  &#8220;He won the Nobel prize but&#8230;.&#8221; will become as trite as &#8220;We put a man on the moon but&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>P.P.S. Where have you been Buddha, I hope you are laughing?</p>
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		<title>By: hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hmmm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s been a real eye opener to watch the media handle these issues.  They swallowed this latest move without so much as a peep (even Olberman and Maddow).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been a real eye opener to watch the media handle these issues.  They swallowed this latest move without so much as a peep (even Olberman and Maddow).</p>
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		<title>By: Jamaicafest</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent article.  Alot to think about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article.  Alot to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[naschkatze.

I&#039;m not surprised by the legislators either.  The elites have made their contempt for the rule of law clear, as you said, under Bush.  They are simply continuing and even ramping up this contempt with Obama.  What I find disturbing is the lack of protest by the Democratic base.  Under Bush, on this blog, you would see swift, strong and well-argued objections to Bush&#039;s policies.  Now that these same policies have been taken up by Obama, there is very little criticism.  Too many people appear to acquiesce to Bush&#039;s policies now that they have become Obama&#039;s policies.  This means there is either a lack of underlying moral conviction or there is some real confusion brought about by successful propaganda used by the administration.  

Many people cannot emotionally/intellectually accept that Obama is a person who wants power, so they wonder how Obama could go along with the continued consolidation of executive power. started under Bush.  Others believe Obama is the victim of poor advice.  Simon Johnson addressed this point on Bill Moyers.  He said:  &quot;Louis the Fourteenth of France, a very powerful monarch, was famous for having many bad things, you know, happen under his rule. And people would always say, &#039;If only Louis the Fourteenth knew. I&#039;m sure he doesn&#039;t know. If we could just tell him, he&#039;d sort it out.&#039; You know. I&#039;m skeptical.&quot;  Stalin signed the work camp order of the man who wrote to him about how badly things were going.  This man believed with all his heart, that Stalin really didn&#039;t know what was going on.  He felt if he could only tell him, Stalin would stop the bad things from happening.  I believe there is this same dynamic at work when people see Obama doing bad things.  They don&#039;t believe he&#039;s capable of doing bad things so excuse after excuse is made on his behalf.  

To me there is no reason to choose to elevate one attempt to destroy the Constitution over another.  Every citizen only has so much time, so certainly we must choose what we focus on, but they all work together.  Flouting the law in the financial industry will bring us down just as surly as flouting the law in civil liberties will.  What really needs to happen firs is this--we have to snap out of it as citizens.  

We can&#039;t afford the illusion that our govt. is run by a benevolent president or congress.  The evidence is in--we are ruled over by a corrupt, dangerous and ignorant elite.  We must come to terms with this.  We need to use every peaceful means at our disposal to stop the elite from completely dismantling the rule of law and ruining our country.  We must take the first step, ridding ourselves of illusions, before we will every proceed on this path.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>naschkatze.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not surprised by the legislators either.  The elites have made their contempt for the rule of law clear, as you said, under Bush.  They are simply continuing and even ramping up this contempt with Obama.  What I find disturbing is the lack of protest by the Democratic base.  Under Bush, on this blog, you would see swift, strong and well-argued objections to Bush&#8217;s policies.  Now that these same policies have been taken up by Obama, there is very little criticism.  Too many people appear to acquiesce to Bush&#8217;s policies now that they have become Obama&#8217;s policies.  This means there is either a lack of underlying moral conviction or there is some real confusion brought about by successful propaganda used by the administration.  </p>
<p>Many people cannot emotionally/intellectually accept that Obama is a person who wants power, so they wonder how Obama could go along with the continued consolidation of executive power. started under Bush.  Others believe Obama is the victim of poor advice.  Simon Johnson addressed this point on Bill Moyers.  He said:  &#8220;Louis the Fourteenth of France, a very powerful monarch, was famous for having many bad things, you know, happen under his rule. And people would always say, &#8216;If only Louis the Fourteenth knew. I&#8217;m sure he doesn&#8217;t know. If we could just tell him, he&#8217;d sort it out.&#8217; You know. I&#8217;m skeptical.&#8221;  Stalin signed the work camp order of the man who wrote to him about how badly things were going.  This man believed with all his heart, that Stalin really didn&#8217;t know what was going on.  He felt if he could only tell him, Stalin would stop the bad things from happening.  I believe there is this same dynamic at work when people see Obama doing bad things.  They don&#8217;t believe he&#8217;s capable of doing bad things so excuse after excuse is made on his behalf.  </p>
<p>To me there is no reason to choose to elevate one attempt to destroy the Constitution over another.  Every citizen only has so much time, so certainly we must choose what we focus on, but they all work together.  Flouting the law in the financial industry will bring us down just as surly as flouting the law in civil liberties will.  What really needs to happen firs is this&#8211;we have to snap out of it as citizens.  </p>
<p>We can&#8217;t afford the illusion that our govt. is run by a benevolent president or congress.  The evidence is in&#8211;we are ruled over by a corrupt, dangerous and ignorant elite.  We must come to terms with this.  We need to use every peaceful means at our disposal to stop the elite from completely dismantling the rule of law and ruining our country.  We must take the first step, ridding ourselves of illusions, before we will every proceed on this path.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Gass</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Gass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Prof. Turley,

I would like to ask permission to repost this article of yours in full on the blogs docudharma.com and dailykos.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof. Turley,</p>
<p>I would like to ask permission to repost this article of yours in full on the blogs docudharma.com and dailykos.com</p>
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		<title>By: naschkatze</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[naschkatze]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jill, sorry to say, I am not surprised by the lack of push back by Democratic legislators though I find it very scary as you do.  They did not push back against Bush either, including Obama as senator.  This is one corporatist (fascist) political party with two right wings, as Gore Vidal has said.  To me the issues surrounding 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq (torture and other war crimes, loss of civil liberties under the thinnest veneer of national security) are the critical ones facing this country, not health care nor jobs or anything else.  We are not the United States of America until the Constitution is restored, and any &quot;good&quot; Obama does other than restoring civil rights and justice is but bread and circuses politics to distract us from this defining crisis.

I wish Professor Turley or some other legal mind here could point a way for us citizens to work these issues.  Right now I feel that all I can do is to support groups like the ACLU, Amnesty International, and CREW who can, for the time being, fight the government in the courts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill, sorry to say, I am not surprised by the lack of push back by Democratic legislators though I find it very scary as you do.  They did not push back against Bush either, including Obama as senator.  This is one corporatist (fascist) political party with two right wings, as Gore Vidal has said.  To me the issues surrounding 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq (torture and other war crimes, loss of civil liberties under the thinnest veneer of national security) are the critical ones facing this country, not health care nor jobs or anything else.  We are not the United States of America until the Constitution is restored, and any &#8220;good&#8221; Obama does other than restoring civil rights and justice is but bread and circuses politics to distract us from this defining crisis.</p>
<p>I wish Professor Turley or some other legal mind here could point a way for us citizens to work these issues.  Right now I feel that all I can do is to support groups like the ACLU, Amnesty International, and CREW who can, for the time being, fight the government in the courts.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The lack of Democratic push back against Obama is really scary to me.  The president, the lackies in his administration and many in the congress are completely untethered from the law.  This should anger people.  It is a fundamental breech of our Constitution.  Don&#039;t people understand that to acquiesce in this will cause our society to crumble from the inside?  How do you have a functional society when the elite are completely unaccountable to the law, when the law become the rule of their whim?  How did this become acceptable?  

The people Obama has surrounded himself with should be in jail, not advising or making policies in war, finance, health care, civil liberties, torture--none of it.  These photos are evidence of war crimes, in part authorized by the DOD.  Since when does the agency or person accused of war crimes rule that they may withhold evidence of their crimes?  This &quot;law&quot; will be unconstitutional.  Yet so few people will even remark on it.  The crime victims and the American people have the right to see the evidence.  These people were harmed in an unspeakable manner.  Yet it is more important to most Democrats to maintain the fantasy that Obama is a great guy who can do no wrong.  No matter what he does, it&#039;s O.K. because he&#039;s so wonderful.  Is this who we have become?  People willing to trade away justice for fantasy?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lack of Democratic push back against Obama is really scary to me.  The president, the lackies in his administration and many in the congress are completely untethered from the law.  This should anger people.  It is a fundamental breech of our Constitution.  Don&#8217;t people understand that to acquiesce in this will cause our society to crumble from the inside?  How do you have a functional society when the elite are completely unaccountable to the law, when the law become the rule of their whim?  How did this become acceptable?  </p>
<p>The people Obama has surrounded himself with should be in jail, not advising or making policies in war, finance, health care, civil liberties, torture&#8211;none of it.  These photos are evidence of war crimes, in part authorized by the DOD.  Since when does the agency or person accused of war crimes rule that they may withhold evidence of their crimes?  This &#8220;law&#8221; will be unconstitutional.  Yet so few people will even remark on it.  The crime victims and the American people have the right to see the evidence.  These people were harmed in an unspeakable manner.  Yet it is more important to most Democrats to maintain the fantasy that Obama is a great guy who can do no wrong.  No matter what he does, it&#8217;s O.K. because he&#8217;s so wonderful.  Is this who we have become?  People willing to trade away justice for fantasy?</p>
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		<title>By: Former Federal LEO</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Former Federal LEO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Obama needs to seek different advisors who understand the critical value of looking at contrary information/evidence and giving it equal weight during deliberations in the decision-making process.  

The FOIA is the most important Act/Law to me since my retirement.  Without it, I would have had no basis for my claims against the arbitrary and capricious nature of many governmental actions.  The principal reasons I voted for Mr. Obama were his pledges to foster a new era of open, transparent, accountable government and to end the senseless war in Iraqi.

Even as a Republican, most here know that I despise Bush/Cheney; however, if Mr. Obama continues his current policies—following Bush’s lead—then he is worse than those politicians are because of his outright broken pledges to millions of people worldwide.  Most people can forgive others for making mistakes, although many cannot forgive a knowing breach of trust that results in the continued deaths of innocent people and the furthered disintegration of our once great Nation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Obama needs to seek different advisors who understand the critical value of looking at contrary information/evidence and giving it equal weight during deliberations in the decision-making process.  </p>
<p>The FOIA is the most important Act/Law to me since my retirement.  Without it, I would have had no basis for my claims against the arbitrary and capricious nature of many governmental actions.  The principal reasons I voted for Mr. Obama were his pledges to foster a new era of open, transparent, accountable government and to end the senseless war in Iraqi.</p>
<p>Even as a Republican, most here know that I despise Bush/Cheney; however, if Mr. Obama continues his current policies—following Bush’s lead—then he is worse than those politicians are because of his outright broken pledges to millions of people worldwide.  Most people can forgive others for making mistakes, although many cannot forgive a knowing breach of trust that results in the continued deaths of innocent people and the furthered disintegration of our once great Nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymously Yours</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymously Yours]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hopefully they understand the concept of Marbury v. Madison in which &quot;the [first time the] Supreme Court declared something &quot;unconstitutional,&quot; and established the concept of judicial review in the U.S. (the idea that courts may oversee and nullify the actions of another branch of government). The landmark decision helped define the &quot;checks and balances&quot; of the American form of government.

Maybe they can reread the same case that a lot of us did in law school. pari delicto save none.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully they understand the concept of Marbury v. Madison in which &#8220;the [first time the] Supreme Court declared something &#8220;unconstitutional,&#8221; and established the concept of judicial review in the U.S. (the idea that courts may oversee and nullify the actions of another branch of government). The landmark decision helped define the &#8220;checks and balances&#8221; of the American form of government.</p>
<p>Maybe they can reread the same case that a lot of us did in law school. pari delicto save none.</p>
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		<title>By: foo</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The irony is that this is actually *easier* to do under a Democratic administration. Democrats don&#039;t really seem to consider principles like this seriously when in power, and thus they try and cover for the administration. Republicans do tend to be more vocal about their principles, but their belief *supports* this type of thing, hence nothing from their side. 

More and more I do not wish for another term for Obama, despite supporting his election. Our standard should not be &quot;better than Bush,&quot; which I&#039;m afraid is the main justification.

Just look at the diaries on DailyKos. If this was Bush there would be 3 recommended diaries castigating him for trashing of the constitution. Now? Nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony is that this is actually *easier* to do under a Democratic administration. Democrats don&#8217;t really seem to consider principles like this seriously when in power, and thus they try and cover for the administration. Republicans do tend to be more vocal about their principles, but their belief *supports* this type of thing, hence nothing from their side. </p>
<p>More and more I do not wish for another term for Obama, despite supporting his election. Our standard should not be &#8220;better than Bush,&#8221; which I&#8217;m afraid is the main justification.</p>
<p>Just look at the diaries on DailyKos. If this was Bush there would be 3 recommended diaries castigating him for trashing of the constitution. Now? Nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dredd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dredd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many things can be said of &lt;i&gt;the corruption of power&lt;/i&gt;, but one of them is not that power discriminates and considers the target of its corrupting ways and means.

http://powertoxins.blogspot.com/2009/10/what-is-corruption.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many things can be said of <i>the corruption of power</i>, but one of them is not that power discriminates and considers the target of its corrupting ways and means.</p>
<p><a href="http://powertoxins.blogspot.com/2009/10/what-is-corruption.html" rel="nofollow">http://powertoxins.blogspot.com/2009/10/what-is-corruption.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I begin by taking. I shall find scholars later to demonstrate my perfect right.&quot;

--- Euripides

We are seeing now how difficult it is to re-cork the genie&#039;s bottle as there are always &quot;scholars&quot; to press the stay back from the bottle&#039;s lip.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I begin by taking. I shall find scholars later to demonstrate my perfect right.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212; Euripides</p>
<p>We are seeing now how difficult it is to re-cork the genie&#8217;s bottle as there are always &#8220;scholars&#8221; to press the stay back from the bottle&#8217;s lip.</p>
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		<title>By: nal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the very least Obama should get some concessions from the Republicans for protecting Bush.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the very least Obama should get some concessions from the Republicans for protecting Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We need &quot;truth and reconciliation&quot; hearings.

About Frank Church (from Wikipedia):

Church is widely quoted in regards to the National Security Agency: 

&quot;I don&#039;t want to see this country ever go across the bridge... I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need &#8220;truth and reconciliation&#8221; hearings.</p>
<p>About Frank Church (from Wikipedia):</p>
<p>Church is widely quoted in regards to the National Security Agency: </p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t want to see this country ever go across the bridge&#8230; I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our intelligences agencies call many of the shots, it seems to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our intelligences agencies call many of the shots, it seems to me.</p>
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		<title>By: CCD</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CCD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Screw the photos JT, a federal judge ordered the release of a Gitmo prisoner for lack of evidence by prosecutors on September 17, 2009.
  
http://documents.propublica.org/guantanamo-detainee-fouad-mahmoud-al-rabiah-s-petition-for-habeus-corpus#p=65

The story is reported here:

http://www.propublica.org/feature/gitmo-update-38-cases-2-new-releases-and-1-showdown-1009]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Screw the photos JT, a federal judge ordered the release of a Gitmo prisoner for lack of evidence by prosecutors on September 17, 2009.</p>
<p><a href="http://documents.propublica.org/guantanamo-detainee-fouad-mahmoud-al-rabiah-s-petition-for-habeus-corpus#p=65" rel="nofollow">http://documents.propublica.org/guantanamo-detainee-fouad-mahmoud-al-rabiah-s-petition-for-habeus-corpus#p=65</a></p>
<p>The story is reported here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.propublica.org/feature/gitmo-update-38-cases-2-new-releases-and-1-showdown-1009" rel="nofollow">http://www.propublica.org/feature/gitmo-update-38-cases-2-new-releases-and-1-showdown-1009</a></p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rafflaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Professor,
Would the transfer of authority to Congress be Constitutional? I do believe that there was some sort of &quot;deal&quot; between Bush and Obama on the torture issue, but for the life of me, I can&#039;t figure out how Obama benefits or what Bush gave him to agree.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor,<br />
Would the transfer of authority to Congress be Constitutional? I do believe that there was some sort of &#8220;deal&#8221; between Bush and Obama on the torture issue, but for the life of me, I can&#8217;t figure out how Obama benefits or what Bush gave him to agree.</p>
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