whew:)

When we put it in the secondary I tried to use the siphon hose with the bottle attachment in the primary. My friend was using a sterile syringe to try and get the beer moving, that did not work so he started sucking on the syringe. I finally realized the bottle attachment had a valve in it that prevented what we were trying to do. But the little bit of beer he did get, he said was pretty dam good. And that’s not even bottled! I say as I pat myself on the back.

Now I have commited hubris and the Yeast God is going to boar hog me and my beer.

Nah, the majority of fermentation is done in the primary fermentation. Think of it as letting the beer ripen.

we put it in the secondary but it is quiet as a mouse, not one gurgle. Did we kill it?

We plan on bottling on Sunday, it will be about 2 weeks and then leave it in the bottles for 2 weeks and then get drunk. I am glad I am not an alcoholic, making beer would not be conducive to consistent/persistent inebriation.

Yay or Nay on the secondary fermentor?

I agree

From the newspaper article:

“He (Paolucci)said he was shocked when he was immediately handcuffed, without a question being asked, and placed in the back seat of a squad car. Hitchcock wasn’t handcuffed but also was placed in the back seat of a second squad car.

“The twins, despite the protests of Paolucci and Hitchcock, were turned over to the store’s security personnel, who took them into the “detention room” or what police referred to as a security room.”

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It appears from the article that the children were put in the detention/security room without their parents. I find it difficult to believe that store employees could be granted legal cognizance/jurisdiction over someone’s children. I would think the store employees could be held liable if something happened to those children while they were in the custody of the employees.

The statutes don’t mention what to do with the minor children.

I would imagine that the store employees, who are authorized to detain a suspected shoplifter, would be granted temporary cognizance over the minor children until the police arrived.

You wrote: “Indiana Law permits the store employees to detain the person accused of theft for up to 2 hours.”

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Does the law also allow store employess to detain the children of people accused of theft?

The law in Michigan is pretty much the same.
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(cbuzhsye3fqrleip3bfwyprz))/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=mcl-600-2917

this yeast is a beast! it blew the water in the airlock out, I thought it was going to look like the “Blob”.

The most suspect thing in most of those kits is the yeast. All three forms of hops used in brewing have their advantages and disadvantages.

Try different things, see how much convenience you’re willing to trade for control and cost. Read Papizan’s book, he gives a really good description of the trade offs involved in the different methods.

I did not really look, the kit had a pelletized hops. I probably wont do another kit because I like the idea of using the flower as has been done for a few centuries.

They weren’t very pungent though and this surprised me given the amount of sugar that was used. I have a feeling this is going to end up very sweet and thick. I think there is a Scottish beer that is like drinking cough syrup.

Next batch is from scratch with a good hops, but not too much.

Just out of curiosity, what hops did you use?

thank you and yes I bought his 3rd edition.

yes, cleanliness is next to Godliness.

Most of sugars that can be fermented will have been fermented by the time the yeast drops out (Which is when you should rack it over, 72 hours is just a guideline), but there will be some minor additional action in the secondary fermentation (and during the bottle conditioning)

You’re going to have to do some bottle conditioning no matter what to ensure carbonation, but I generally like to do a secondary fermentation. It won’t hurt matters and will probably help.

The best advice I can give you is to get your hands on a copy of Charlie Papazian’s home-brew book. Basically at this point, you should just relax and enjoy the beer when it’s done. Oh and make sure all your equipment for bottling\racking is very clean. Poor sanitation is the best way to ruin a beer.

I need your brew knowledge. I am getting back into home-brewing after a long dry spell and brewed a Nut Brown Ale (from a kit) this weekend. It had a hell of a lot of sugar in it what with the malt extract and the brown sugar and the actual malt. It is a diabetics nightmare.

The question is whether I should place it in a secondary fermenter after 72 hours or put it directly into bottles as the directions call for.

I am a little worried about leaving it to ferment/finish in bottles for 3 weeks. But a secondary fermenter may cause the alcohol content to hit the ceiling.

your thoughts?

I agree, the only decent stuff to buy at wal-mart are things like toilet paper and shampoo and candy.

I usually by bulk items at Costco and I don’t think I have ever bought much at wal-mart, some shotguns shells and some cheap camping equipment I needed in a hurry. Oh and some seeds for my garden, but half of those didn’t even come up (germinate for all you botanists).

I have a friend that is working there as a greater, she has a bad back and they wont let her great from a chair. That is actually pretty crappy. Even I would allow a chair great a couple of times a day.

I would make the employee wear a sign that read – “I have a bad back and my boss is kind enough to let me sit for 5 minuets every hour”

I wouldn’t want to let them sit for more than 5 minuets though, it might be bad for business. Makes the other employees think you are soft.

I knew you were trying to make the most absurd rationalization you could to demonstrate how there was no real defense for this.

If you want my honest reason I don’t patronize Wal-Mart it’s because the costumer service is lousy, the products are sub-par, and for the kind of stuff I buy it’s not noticeably cheaper.

Now if it had good costumer service and abused the same abusive policies towards it’s employees (which I’d wager is impossible, as I’m sure you know: you treat your employees like garbage, you get garbage for employees), then I might consider their policies as a deciding factor.

“Byron’s comments is just silly”

it was meant to be.

I think what Wal-Mart did was pretty bad. I was actually joking around about trying to defend them since you know how I am.

I also stated at the end that I am probably going to stop shopping there. Not that I shop there much anyway so it wouldn’t really be missed.

Damage the Constitution? I agree it’s hard to tell where big business ends and big government begins, but I’m not ready to call Walmart the government quite yet.

I think a civil suit will address this kind of over the top incident by Walmart and its employees. One wonders why the police seem to be so unhelpful and “neutral’ in this story. It appears they pretty much were working for just one of the two parties in this fiasco.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=in&vol=app%5C09039902.ehf&invol=2

The customer left the store without paying for the lighters.

Video may demonstrate that the customer did pass the lighters in front of the scanner, but that doesn’t mean the scanner recognized or recorded the item.

I echo Rich’s question/concern on this one. If your neighbor detained your children for some reason it might be called kidnapping. Also, I recall when department stores and the first generations of big box stores had security personnel, not guards but suit and tie guys with name tags that said ‘store security’ that took care of asking people to show a receipt etc., there was a degree of formality and professionalism to the encounter.

Now it seems that groups of store employees with or without a store manager in tow, can surround and detain members of the public. I have never understood the premise that a civilian, even those with the ‘store security’ badges, could detain anyone. Get a license plate number and pass it on to police? Yes, of course, but actually detain someone with legal immunity for doing so, not so much.

Never been there.
Never done that.
Never plan to.

The folks in charge of that corporation only care about making tons of money for themselves. It doesn’t seem to bother them that they’ve been responsible for putting other American companies out of business and Americans out of work with their demands for lowlowlow prices. Don’t companies like Wal-Mart just love that “greed is good” mantra they’ve been intoning for years.

Wal-Mart isn’t the only one who doesn’t wan their future business. In 2006, the school, where the children had been attending since 2001, asked them not to return.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/School's+out:+high-powered+Chicago+attorney+Joseph+Paolucci+brokers…-a0168511522

The idea that the store can take kids into their custody is probably the most bizarre aspect of this. Since when do stores have the right to be in loco parentis. It’s not clear that the child welfare authorities were ever called.

Byron’s comments is just silly–one could not set-up something so ridiculous. If they knew this would heppen it would be based on something equally egregious. I hope they get enough from Wal-Mart to retire on. The chain seems very interested in nickle and dime tyranny with customers and line employees while losing millions in Japan and running a business model that forces them to make their profits from check cashing and wire transfers because they use discounted, low margin items to drive volume. At some point, the house of cards will fall.

From the linked story, I did not get the sense that the items showed up on the receipt. It appears that the items did not appear on the receipt even though the video showed the items being scanned.

I have not read the story (main article) but will surmise that the men were black and the children were either black or part black. I will state that the Unemployment rate is about 25% higher than the rest of the US worst city. Shoplifting is high as well as Burglary’s and other forms of related larceny’s.

The store demanded the civil monetary damages fine of 150.00, so in Walmarts world they have shoplifted. In Walmarts world then they can be banned from that store. I have a feeling that Walmart will be settling this matter very quietly as the store may burn, knowing the culture heritage.

FYI, this was one of the points during the civil war of the underground railroad. This is still a mind set for a number of individuals. If you go a little north you start to the dutch area such as Zeeland or Holland. Then it is pretty much all white with a very low racial minority, until you get to Muskegon which is about 55 per cent minority.

This does not surprise me in the least that this happened.

you got me on this one, I cant say a thing in defense of Wal-Mart.

But I will try. Could there be the possibility of a set up by these 2 lawyers? It actually looks like they may get a good deal of money from Wal-Mart for the egregious behavior of the employees.

I wonder if they will have bumper stickers made up:

“Honk if you were bansished for life by Wal-Mart”

Ok, I will stop shopping at Wal-Mart, it is all too much even for me. I really didnt buy much from there anyway.