According to former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, climate talks are simply evidence of the “arrogance of man.” It is expected that next week Palin will announce her campaign to dismantle all dams, re-irrigation programs, and forest fire suppression programs in part of her “de-arrogancing of man.”
This signature tweet from Palin came on Saturday. Here is what she wrote:
Copenhgen=arrogance of man2think we can change nature’s ways.MUST b good stewards of God’s earth,but arrogant&naive2say man overpwers nature
Earth saw clmate chnge4 ions;will cont 2 c chnges.R duty2responsbly devlop resorces4humankind/not pollute&destroy;but cant alter naturl chng
I am glad that someone has the courage to fight efforts to deal with weather changes. I am personally appalled by the widespread us of clothes. It is clear from the Bible that God never intended us to have clothes in the first place.
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6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, “Where are you?”
10 He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”
11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all the livestock
and all the wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
Everything I see people wearing clothing or umbrellas to protect them from nature, I share Palin’s disgust.
For the story, click here.
One cannot live by brains alone. Or was her brain separated at birth? Was she born this way? Or did she do sufficient drugs to get in this state? If so, is the injury reversible? Did she have an accident where she suffered loss of oxygen to the brain? Or did she drink too much and get a case of hypothermia? Does she and Rush have the same doctor and lastly was she one of the mistresses of Tiger Woods? We know Tiger is a Cheetah. But is she of sufficient age to call a Cougar?
I have an Enquiring Mind and I want to know…..
I wholly stand by Sara Pallin’s stand. This whole ‘climate change talk’ is the biggest hoax and broker talk played on this earth by the so called super power politicians who can never see the force of nature and life through their own eyes. It’s ‘arrogance and ignorance’ at the extreme extend indeed, as Sara aptly points out.
I see the climate trolls are out early today.
Since grammar, sentence structure and logic are obviously not your strong points, I’m thinking you assessment of atmospheric science might be just about as worthless as that post is unreadable.
1) SARAH. Learn to spell the name of your witless leader.
2) You stand by someone’s stand? Thats outstanding! Buy a thesaurus. And no, it’s not a dinosaur.
3) Pol or not? They see nature every day if they see at all. They are stupid, not blind. Just because they don’t understand it (much like you and “Sara”) doesn’t mean they don’t see it. “Apes read philosophy, Otto. They just don’t understand it.”
4) I will take your words on arrogance and ignorance. I will take them as an illustration of said principles and as cautionary tale.
5) Call back when you have a basic understanding of science and aren’t bedazzled by the sparkly object the Neocon GOP is dangling in front of your face like a cat toy.
Sarah Palin: “Earth saw clmate chnge4 ions;”
Do you suppose she really meant to type ION???
Sheesh! I wonder if her words of wisdom will live on for EONS!!!
As if the unrelenting defiling of the earth’s atmosphere and denial of it’s obvious damaging effects ISN’T a demonstration of man’s arrogance?
This is another example of a tried and true device used by conservatives to deflect attention away from their responsibility on an issue. The trick is to accuse your opponent of your own transgression and put them on the defensive. They did it time and again during the Bush years. Senate Republicans would accuse the Democrats of holding up legislation when it was they who were doing it. Conservative seem to have no moral compass at all. They are willing to say absolutely any outrageous thing, regardless of its veracity or inanity.
I’m pissed at the Dems for their capitulation on several very important issues in the health care reform bill, but listening to the outright lies and bad policy ideas of conservatives simply disgust and nauseate me. They make the Dems look like true guardians of the democracy.
Maybe Sarah Palin needs to team up with Jesse Ventura in his new show “Conspiracy Theory” on “trutv.” He had one episode on Global Warming that was just plain goofy. I paste below the code of the trailer of that episode; but as I don’t know how to embed video on WordPress, I wonder whether it’d show:
Well, here’s the link to the episode trailer.
The Cloud Mystery by Henrik Svensmark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKoUwttE0BA 1 of 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51K9×5iyjnU&feature=related 2 of 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsEsFFIJQIY 3 of 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-zOLtMIH8Q&feature=related 4 of 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmebVbIO2Gs 5 of 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRrkitPezhI&NR=1 6 0f 6
http://www.thecloudmystery.com/Home.html
Seriously, can someone tell me how to paste images and videos in comments here? Here’s my email address: aengw@aol.com
http://jonathanturley.org/2009/12/09/one-hundred-and-twenty-percent-of-people-cant-be-wrong-fox-news-shows-people-are-dubious-about-the-accuracy-of-global-warming-science-with-a-poll-showing-120-percent-of-people-are-skeptical/
Here, half this thread deals with the climate ignorant.
I said yesterday that I love a good conspiracy so you can just put this down to that if you like.
I think Palin was and is a tool of the corporate elites who run things in this country. She is used as a foil to keep people from paying real attention to one of their other tools, Obama. Sara doesn’t have any real power to negotiate climate amelioration. Obama does and he has done his usual sell out, sorry job.
Instead of paying attention to that, the left wing gets to say how stupid Sara is. While I have no argument with the stupidity of her ideas, I worry that they are way too effective as smoke screens to hide Obama’s actions.
Cheney is Obama’s foil in torture. Cheney is all for it. Obama says, he’s against it. We still torture and there aren’t prosecutions in sight.
Takoma,
To embed video from YouTube or Hulu, they have an options to “Copy Embedded Code”. On YouTube, it’s to the right of the player, it has the regular URL and below it a box with the embedding code. Just select all the code instead of the plain URL, copy and paste. Works like a charm.
Hulu has a similar function.
As to images, I’ve never tried it as I don’t keep image libraries online, but I suspect sites like Flikr have a similar option.
I hope that is helpful.
Sarah’s IQ is not quite 140 characters.
Takoma
1, December 21, 2009 at 10:10 am
I posted the videos for Ventura here a few days ago.
http://jonathanturley.org/2009/12/14/leading-scientist-on-global-warming-has-heart-attack-during-debate-while-delegates-storm-out-over-impasse-over-the-agreement/
@ Buddah Is Laughing:
I know about that; and yet, it doesn’t work when I try it here. Is it then a question of browser? I’ve been doing it with Firefox or Safari. Should I use IE instead? And thanks for the info.
@ Bdman:
Thanks for the link.
Takoma, if it’s a you tube video, double click it so it takes you to you tube, then copy/paste the URL from the address bar.
You can only post a single video per comment for it to show the video and you only have so many characters you can write in the comment box when including a video with a comment.
Takoma,
I’m not a big fan of Safari or IE, but the solution I gave should work from any browser unless a security configuration is blocking you copying anything with tags on it. I ran into that some time ago because I run various browsers with various levels of security. But that issue I couldn’t help you with without touching the machine.
Here is an instructional video.
A test then:
@ Buddah is Laughing:
I really appreciate your help. And look, it’s a miracle of Allah! I posted a video on Professor Turley’s blog!!!
How bout me Takoma, don’t I get any Props?
CO2 levels stable for the past 2+ million years. Except lately. Geez Sarah, have a staffer spring for a subscription to Discover Magazine; the articles are written so that even us laypersons can understand them: (And if anybody ever asks you what you read again you’ll have an answer.)
http://discovermagazine.com/2010/jan-feb/085
http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/18/more-atmospheric-co2-today-than-in-the-past-2-1-millions-years/
Takoma,
I think HTML/XML had more to do the miracle than Allah, but you are welcome for the assistance.
moast of yall smart peple in hear shore do like to make yoslef look smart maken corections an all that an I wood ask why did yall swell up so agint her an I bet most of yall aint ever met that lady and is it cus she dont think yor write or nuthin?
MY Christmas Card to One and All
If you Travel thru the holidays no matter near or how far
good luck to you , if you will be traveling by car
Whether it be by rail, or thru the air
we’ll see you when you get back, but for now ya’ll take care
It’s been a long tough year for me
no dances just town halls
I wish you a Merry Christmas
to one and to all
HO- HO- HO
and
Merry Christmas
Accuweather.com has been receiving snowfall totals via their Facebook page over the last few days.
There is speculation that this weeks blizzard was The Storm of the Century, many snow records and cold temperatures were broken.
Europe is getting hammered right now. Airports shut down and Chunnel Train service suspended.
A White Christmas for sure, for a many number of people around the world.
Another Major Blizzard is ready to crank up in the next 48-72 hours. A Plains Blizzard with Rain and Severe Weather for the South, a dangerous wintry mix in the Midwest, and to top it off, a major ice storm or flooding to the East.
Regardless of the nature of the storm, many areas across the nation will experience significant travel delays and Christmas concerns for life-threatening weather.
Know before you go !!!!!!!!
Below are a few of the reports that have been coming in to Accuweather the last few days.
Interstate travel over the Christmas holiday will be difficult for sure.
Here are the notable reports by state:
NWS Spotters:
Wintergreen, VA: 30.0″
Rainelle, WV: 26.0″
Mount Mitchell & Robbinsville, NC: 24.0″
Bethesda, MD: 23.0″
Multiple Locations, PA: 20.0″
Hi-nella, NJ: 20.0″
Hartley, DE: 15.5″
Rochester, NY: 6.7″
Facebook Fans:
Barbara M. from Hico, WV: 25.0″
Savannah K. from Maryland: 21.0″
Michale J. from Troy, VA: 20.0″
Christina G. from Wythe, VA: 19.0″
John T. from Fredericksburg, VA: 16.2″
Scott P. from Keyser, WV: 16.0″
Paul D. from Roanoke: 15.0″
Susan M. from Broadway, VA: 14.0″
Kathy P. from Fredericksburg, VA: 14.0″
Mike B. from Amissville, VA: 12.0″
Philip M. from Nokesville, VA: 11.5″
Wayne S. from Annapolis, MD: 10.0″
Deb C. from Clinton, MD: 9.0″
Keith M. from Milford, DE: 8.75″
Amy H. from Loudon County, VA: 8.0″
Matt F. from Columbia, MD: 7.0″
Greg H. Leesburg, VA: 7.0″
Tim H. from Boone, NC: 7.0″
Dan W. from Boonsboro, MD: 7.0″
Catty R. from Statesville, NC: 7.0″
Amy F. Reidsville, NC: 7.5″
James F. from Yanceyville, NC: 7.0″
William L. from Chambersburg, PA: 7.0″
Jen C. from Manassas, VA: 6.0″
Loralea K. from Egg Harbor, NJ: 5.0″
Vickie H. from Nottingham, PA: 4.0″
Norma N. from Thornville, OH: 4.0″
Twitter Followers:
@CBS19Weather from Charlottesville, VA: 13.0″
@mckenler from Asheville, NC: 8.5″
@georgiehopper from Knoxville, MD: 8.0″
@Dslizzle from Triad, NC: 8.0″
@ryanpj from Roxboro, NC: 6.0″
Power Outages:
Dominion Power: 7,000
Progress Energy: 63,000
Duke Power: 29,000
The only thing more scary than one Sarah is Two of them.
http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/11/book-politics-makes-strange-duplicities.html
She named her tazer “arrogance of man”:
http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/12/sunday-monday-cant-trust-that-day.html
I have to dust off another good one for ol’ cousin Sarah:
“If bullshit was music, that [gal] would be a brass band.”
~Paddy Crosbie
Why anyone with half a brain would want to align with Sarah Palin is amazing. She has never let a fact get in the way of bad politics. Palin is not only stupid, and a stooge for the corporate world as Jill suggeste, she is hungry for the almighty dollar. As usual, the Republicans are all about saving the corporations from the reality of science. Bdaman, winter storms are one of the offshoots from global warming. Sorry to confuse you with facts. http://climateprogress.org/2009/12/20/global-warming-copenhagen-snow-storm-blizzard-extreme-weather/
I just watch the Cloud Mystery.
I guess this helps explain that at one time Italy harvested twigs twice a year, or that during the time of the Tudor Kings citrus was grown in England.
The one that always gets me though, is how did the Vikings achieve growing grapes in New Foundland.
Thanks for the video.
Your welcome,
Finally the sun is showing signs of life today.
There are no fewer than five active regions on the sun’s surface according to this morning statement released by the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO):
Each sunspot or proto-sunspot belongs to new Solar Cycle 24.
After two years of RECORD LOW SUNSPOT NUMBERS and many month-long stretches of utter quiet, this is a notable outbreak.
Whether it heralds a genuine trend or merely marks a temporary, statistical uptick in activity remains to be seen.
Bdaman, winter storms are one of the offshoots from global warming. Sorry to confuse you with facts.
Thats great because the more and more that snow and record low temperatures occur this should help cool the planet and then we can stop worrying about it warming.
Global Warming sure is a tricky business
Good Thinking
So many people have high stakes from a monetary end in the theory of Global Warming. ie: The Al Gores, the Head of the IPCC, many many scientist, special interest groups, conservationist, environmentalist, on and on and on.
So here’s the question
Lets say for arguments sake, that CO2 has absolutely nothing to do with the natural variability of the planet to warm or cool.
What happens to world wide grant money to research global warming and CO2, estimated at 70 billion a year in the United States alone.
What happens to the Al Gores who stand to loose millions or even billions if it’s proved that it’s all just a cycle and nothing to do with CO2.
The short answer is, alot of scientist who are paid with grant money will no longer have a tit to which they can suck milk.
More reasons to “hide the decline”, more reasons to claim “I lost the original raw data” More reasons to scare the shit out of us with the oceans will rise twenty feet when the IPCC it self says 17 inches in 100 years.
More reasons why we must ACT NOW !!!!!!!
All of the Al Gores would not make their millions, if not billions.
The green industry would become slow to develop and billions if not trillions of dollars could not be spent fast enough.
And mostly my dear friend, a world governing body would not be established to make rules and regulations imposed on the people of the world.
The ones with the most money rule the world. Isn’t that what you learned growing up, rich people are evil and it’s time for them to pay up, isn’t that what they tell us now.
Well the ones who are trying to get rich are evil too and they don’t want anybody solving a problem to which they can get rich from.
I don’t know about you, but if I were one of those people, I would hope it never gets solved. Not only that, I would not allow anyone to tell me differently. No wonder Al Gore only wants to present his claims and not debate them.
The head of the UN’s climate change panel – Dr Rajendra Pachauri – is accused of making a fortune from his links with ‘carbon trading’ companies.
No one in the world exercised more influence on the events leading up to the Copenhagen conference on global warming than Dr Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and mastermind of its latest report in 2007.
Although Dr Pachauri is often presented as a scientist (he was even once described by the BBC as “the world’s top climate scientist”), as a former railway engineer with a PhD in economics
HE HAS NO QUALIFICATIONS IN CLIMATE SCIENCE AT ALL !!!!!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/6847227/Questions-over-business-deals-of-UN-climate-change-guru-Dr-Rajendra-Pachauri.html
Takoma:
I always did think there was more to AGW than helping Polar Bears.
Who can argue with a guy that says that “baiting bears isn’t hunting, its an assassination”.
Over 50% of the USA is now covered in snow
Indeed, it looks like a white Christmas for much of the USA. Here’s the data:
December 21, 2009
Area Covered By Snow: 51.7%
Area Covered Last Month: 8.0%
Snow Depth
Average: 3.8 in
Minimum: 0.0 in
Maximum: 887.0 in
Std. Dev.: 6.4 in
Snow Water Equivalent
Average: 0.7 in
Minimum: 0.0 in
Maximum: 435.0 in
Std. Dev.: 1.4 in
1 12 2009
The storm gave Washington its snowiest December on record, said Weather Channel meteorologist Mike Seidel.
“After six winters here in Washington of sub-par (below average) snowfall … we picked up a whole season’s worth in one storm,” Seidel said. The average for a season is just under 16 inches (41 cm).
WARSAW, Poland — Snowstorms and subfreezing temperatures have battered Europe, killing 15 people in Poland alone overnight and wreaking havoc on air, train and car travelers from the Nordics to Italy on the last weekend before Christmas.
France’s civil aviation authority ordered the cancellation of 40% of flights out of Paris’ Charles de Gaulle and Orly airports Sunday through the mid-afternoon.
In Britain, officials at Manchester Airport — Britain’s busiest outside the London area — said its only runway was being closed for emergency snow clearance and deicing work.
Belgium’s three biggest airports, Brussels, Charleroi and Liege, were completely shut, while travelers at Amsterdam’s Schiphol airport faced delays and cancellations.
There was trouble on the railways too, with trains from Belgium to Italy delayed by icy, frozen tracks.
The Eurostar shutdown has stranded more than 50,000 passengers in France and Britain over the past two days.
Italian farm lobby Coldiretti warned that the ice-and-snow-blanketed roads were delaying the distribution of milk and produce while the freezing temperatures risked damaging fruit trees, olive groves and vineyards.
Major football matches were canceled in Italy, Belgium and the Netherlands.
WHAT IS the ideal temperature of the earth? and what is the normal deviation from that ideal mean?
can someone tell me?
I don’t know Byrom but we MUST ACT KNOW.
Wanna bet nobody that is a believer will give this guy a try.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2511875/nathan_myhrvolds_anti_global_warming.html?cat=15
For $250 million verses the alternative I say it’s worth it.
But if it works, alot of people will surely miss out on their investments.
Another massive storm has begun to develop
Potential for Crippling Blizzard in the Plains Before Christmas
Following the record-setting blizzard in the East this past weekend, eyes are turning to the potential for a significant snowstorm in the Plains by the middle to end of the week. Intensifying winds could create an all-out blizzard for portions of the Plains and the Upper Midwest.
http://www.accuweather.com/news-top-headline.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&date=2009-12-20_12:55
On environment, Obama and scientists take hit in poll
Climate Change
Political polarization
View a graphic showing President Obama’s appproval ratings
As President Obama arrives in Copenhagen hoping to seal an elusive deal on climate change, his approval rating on dealing with global warming has crumbled at home and there is broad opposition to spending taxpayer money to encourage developing nations to curtail their energy use, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
Scientists themselves also come in for more negative assessments in the poll, with four in 10 Americans now saying that they place little or no trust in what scientists have to say about the environment. That’s up significantly in recent years. About 58 percent of Republicans now put little or no faith in scientists on the subject, double the number saying so in April 2007. Over this time frame, distrust among independents bumped up from 24 to 40 percent, while Democrats changed only marginally. Among seniors, the number of skeptics more than doubled, to 51 percent.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/18/AR2009121800002.html
When The O lost his cool with China in Hopenhagen the Chinese responded the next day.
Harder to buy US Treasuries
Author:Zhou Xin and Jason Subler
IT is getting harder for governments to buy United States Treasuries because the US’s shrinking current-account gap is reducing supply of dollars overseas, a Chinese central bank official said yesterday.
The comments by Zhu Min, deputy governor of the People’s Bank of China, referred to the overall situation globally, not specifically to China, the biggest foreign holder of US government bonds.
Chinese officials generally are very careful about commenting on the dollar and Treasuries, given that so much of its US$2.3 trillion reserves are tied to their value, and markets always watch any such comments closely for signs of any shift in how it manages its assets.
China’s State Administration of Foreign Exchange reaffirmed this month that the dollar stands secure as the anchor of the currency reserves it manages, even as the country seeks to diversify its investments.
In a discussion on the global role of the dollar, Zhu told an academic audience that it was inevitable that the dollar would continue to fall in value because Washington continued to issue more Treasuries to finance its deficit spending.
He then addressed where demand for that debt would come from.
“The United States cannot force foreign governments to increase their holdings of Treasuries,” Zhu said, according to an audio recording of his remarks. “Double the holdings? It is definitely impossible.”
“The US current account deficit is falling as residents’ savings increase, so its trade turnover is falling, which means the US is supplying fewer dollars to the rest of the world,” he added. “The world does not have so much money to buy more US Treasuries.”
China continues to see its foreign exchange reserves grow, albeit at a slower pace than in past years, due to a large trade surplus and inflows of foreign investment. They stood at US$2.3 trillion at the end of September.
Do as we say, not as we do
December 21, 2009
Gordon Brown calls for new group to police global environment issues
The UN’s consensual method of negotiation, which requires all 192 countries to reach agreement, needs to be reformed to ensure that the will of the majority prevails
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6963482.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=3392178
From hide the decline to just change history
Lawrence Solomon at the National Post writes about a topic that readers have known about for a long time: How Wikipedia’s green doctor rewrote 5,428 climate articles.
We’ve known for some time that Wikipedia can’t be trusted to provide unbiased climate information. Solomon starts off by talking about Climategate emails.
The emails also describe how the band plotted to rewrite history as well as science, particularly by eliminating the Medieval Warm Period, a 400 year period that began around 1000 AD.
The Climategate Emails reveal something else, too: the enlistment of the most widely read source of information in the world — Wikipedia — in the wholesale rewriting of this history.
He then focuses on RealClimate.org co-founder William Connolley, who has “touched” 5,428 Wikipedia articles with his unique brand of RC centric editing:
All told, Connolley created or rewrote 5,428 unique Wikipedia articles. His control over Wikipedia was greater still, however, through the role he obtained at Wikipedia as a website administrator, which allowed him to act with virtual impunity. When Connolley didn’t like the subject of a certain article, he removed it — more than 500 articles of various descriptions disappeared at his hand. When he disapproved of the arguments that others were making, he often had them barred — over 2,000 Wikipedia contributors who ran afoul of him found themselves blocked from making further contributions. Acolytes whose writing conformed to Connolley’s global warming views, in contrast, were rewarded with Wikipedia’s blessings. In these ways, Connolley turned Wikipedia into the missionary wing of the global warming movement.
The Medieval Warm Period disappeared, as did criticism of the global warming orthodoxy. With the release of the Climategate Emails, the disappearing trick has been exposed. The glorious Medieval Warm Period will remain in the history books, perhaps with an asterisk to describe how a band of zealots once tried to make it disappear.
William Connolley – Wikipedia image
Wikipedia suffers from the same problem that climate science in general suffers from now. A few determined zealots have influenced the vast majority of the published information.
Petersen
IMHO it is time for Connolley to step aside from Wikipedia, one person should not have so much influence over so many articles. At the same time, the number two person, almost as influential, is Kim Dabelstein Peterson. Here’s a National Review article on the kind of things Petersen has been doing in similar to the work of Connolley.
Additionally, there are many Wikipedia editors and contributors that do so anonymously, and I think that is terribly wrong. There’s no accountability, no quality control, and no recourse to people who falsify information, or mold it to fit a personal agenda. Wikipedia relies upon an honor system, and as we’ve seen from the Climategate emails, there’s no honor in some circles of climate science.
Here is another example:
The Opinionator
Posted: May 03, 2008, 2:53 AM by Lawrence Solomon
Connolley is not only a big shot on Wikipedia, he’s a big shot at Wikipedia — an Administrator with unusual editorial clout. Using that clout, this 40-something scientist of minor relevance gets to tear down scientists of great accomplishment. Because Wikipedia has become the single biggest reference source in the world, and global warming is one of the most sought after subjects, the ability to control information on Wikipedia by taking down authoritative scientists is no trifling matter.
From Global Warming Believer To Skeptic
By: Bradley Fikes — December 21st, 2009
A few years ago, I accepted global warming theory with few doubts. I wrote several columns for this paper condemning what I thought were unfair attacks by skeptics and defending the climate scientists.
Boy, was I naive.
Since the Climategate emails and documents revealed active collusion to thwart skeptics and even outright fraud, I’ve been trying to correct the record of my earlier foolishness. In one of those columns, I even wrote: “And see Real Climate (www.realclimate.org) for global warming science without the political spin.”
In fact, Real Climate was and is nothing more than the house organ of global warming activists, concerned more with politics than with science.
My mistake was assuming only the purest of motives of the global warming alarmists, while assuming the worst of the skeptics. In fact, the soi-disant moralists of the global warming movement can also exploit their agenda for profit.
http://www.nctimes.com/app/blogs/wp/?p=6063
Carbon prices fall in wake of Copenhagen
By Chris Flood and Fiona Harvey
Published: December 22 2009 02:00 | Last updated: December 22 2009 02:00
Carbon prices plunged yesterday in the aftermath of the Copenhagen conference on climate change, dealing a blow to the credibility of the European Union’s carbon-trading scheme.
Prices for carbon permits for December 2010 delivery, the benchmark contract for pricing European permits, dropped nearly 10 per cent in early trading, before recovering to end the day 8.3 per cent lower at €12.41.
Lower prices give companies less incentive to invest in cutting their greenhouse gas output. Analysts estimate that prices of more than €40 a tonne are required to stimulate investment in new low-carbon technologies.
Carbon traders blamed the price fall on the Copenhagen conference, which produced an accord among the world’s biggest developed and developing countries to limit their greenhouse gas emissions, but omitted details on what those limits would be. Governments now have a month to submit formal pledges on how far they will reduce their carbon output.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c1a7aade-ee98-11de-944c-00144feab49a.html?nclick_check=1
Global Warming: None Like It Hot
I’d rather have it hot then this.
Wintry storms and freezing weather over the last week have caused nearly 100 deaths across Europe, including at least 42 in Poland, 27 in Ukraine and 12 people in France. Many of those who died were homeless people who froze to death.
Another 13 people died in car accidents in Austria, Finland and Germany, where temperatures dropped well below zero.
16,000 cars stuck in Britain
Roads were also severely hit with Britain’s AA breakdown service reporting a record 16,000 vehicles stuck or in accidents on Monday. Major roads across Europe were blocked in areas with heavy snow, some up to 20 inches.
Britain’s weather service forecast more snow across Scotland and northern England on Tuesday night and into Wednesday. “It will be very cold and icy with a locally severe frost and some areas of freezing fog,” it added.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34522840/ns/weather
I didn’t know the Turley blog had become the new weather channel!
The Chinese did not take a page from Trump’s book and forgot or never knew his adage “when you owe the bank a million dollars, you have a problem. When you owe them a billion (or in the case of the Chines a couple of trillion), they have a problem.”
The Chinese are going to learn a hard lesson – never deal with a socialist country. They always end up running out of other people’s money.
Hu Jintao are you listening?
Byron, what are you on strict orders not to engage the troll.
Bdaman:
I asked on another thread why you had not been posting lately.
And anyway I don’t know how to refute your overwhelming number of facts.
All that I have been reading leads me to believe that AGW is a bit over done. There may be some climate change but as I said above what is the “average” historic earth temperature and what are the normal statistical deviations to that “average”.
So far I haven’t found anyone that knows.
It may be over 2 degrees C, what does that do to AGW theory?
By the way did you like my post about being a super troll? I thought that funny actually.
Bdaman:
I am now glad that I never went to Buildabear when my kids were young.
What the heck can you say to crap like that?
All those little kids worried about Santa’s home melting, oh the humanity.
I stopped going to the thread on 9-11, my virtual memory has been running low and my comp. freezes up when I went there.
So no, I didn’t see your post.
Here’s a good read for you
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/who_needs_data.html
Did you watch The Cloud Mystery?
I hate to waste time paying attention to the ex-governor*, but it’s important to spell out what she is saying in her (mangled) tweets:
She, like millions of Americans, believes that it is literally IMPOSSIBLE for humans to damage “God’s creation.” Yes, we’re talking Taliban-type fundamentalist beliefs. Palin is a Pentacostal who lives in a world of creationism and witches. No science, evidence or reason is going to overcome their interpretation of scripture. A major slice of Americans who deny that human caused global warming is actually happening are driven by these supernatural beliefs. They may be able to tweet on Twitter, but their core mind is quite literally deep in the medieval Dark Ages.
My introduction to this particular flavor of crazy was by a Lyndon LaRouche supporter who had a table set up in a square in Munich, Germany. He explained that (in his world-view), it was impossible for human beings to damage God’s creation. (Translation from kook-speak: “It is arrogant of human beings to claim that we COULD damage the environment.”) He went on to explain that environmentalism is Satan worship. You see, environmentalism is the worship of the earth, and the “earth mother” or “earth goddess” is just Satan in disguise. Ergo, working to prevent damage to the environment is an act of worshiping Satan.
I am not making this up. This is the world in which the ex-governor and many others (perhaps Sen. Inhofe?) live.
(*I live in a COUNTY with a population of 5.5 million. The population of Alaska is a bit under 700k. From my perspective, being governor of AK is several steps below being the executive of my county in terms of experience, difficulty and qualification. When you look at the moron running Cook County, IL, you see someone who probably should run away from his post, but hasn’t. What exactly was so hard about being governor of AK? Oh, right, it was someone else’s fault that she had to quit.)
They may be able to tweet on Twitter, but their core mind is quite literally deep in the medieval Dark Ages.
I would of used Medieval Warm Period
To Byron,
The earth is (3-4) billions of years old.
Estimates on temperature exists for periods as long as 2 billion years ago.
(Humans appeared some 5-7 million years ago.)
http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm
The measured earth temperature has varied between 10 and 25 (Centigrade degrees.) We are at about 15.5 C, now. The last maximum was perhaps 30 million years before the humans appeared. Efforts to avoid the predicted harmful effects climate changes are geared toward avoiding a 2 C rise in temperature.
Deniers like to point out that the earth has had much higher CO2 levels and higher temperatures. While true, they fail to acknowledge when that was the case, there were not only NO humans but hardly 6 billion humans depending on climate consistently favorable for growing a food supply.
There is no average historic temperature reported because that is not a useful measure.
TomD.Arch:
some of us are but then some that believe in AGW are bowing to their own god/goddess as well, without paying homage to the science.
The science is not settled on this issue, apparently because scientists with differing opinions were denied access to scientific journals.
I would say people who engage in falsifying scientific data and restricting a free and open debate are worse than someone who believes in Satan. Talk about your Medieval mindset, sounds to me like the ghost of the Spanish Inquisition is alive and well and has a new incarnation in East Anglia at the CRU.
John Puma:
wouldn’t global warming with a 2 degree rise in temperature promote longer growing seasons?
I for one am sick of the cold. There is about 18″ of snow outside my window here in Virginia, near DC. My wife says it hasn’t snowed like this (in this area) before Christmas in quite some time.
GW sucks for skiers but for people who like the beach it would be a great thing. Surfs up baby
and I do like the Beach Boys.
To Byron,
I’ll let you google: “predicted effects of climate change”
Right, GW (actually “climate change”) is great for Beach Boys just like the hole in the ozone layer was a boon for those who liked to get a tan.
Global warming doesn’t just mean that some areas of Earth will get warmer–it will likely affect weather patterns and ocean currents. What happens if the temperature rises enough to cause changes in the jet stream, Gulf Stream, the North Atlantic Drift, etc.?
Tom–
Here’s one for you:
From God’s Lips
Many eons ago—
Six thousand years to be exact—
God said: “I’ll make me a planet.”
(That’s a verified fact.)
“It will rotate on its axis
And spin around the sun
From the beginning of creation
Until Rapture time has come.
“Sometimes Earth will get quite chilly
And have long icy ages.
Other times it’ll be warm.
It will keep going through stages.
“Forget about car emissions…
Other kinds of air pollution.
There won’t be a greenhouse problem—
So you won’t need a solution.
“The Earth’s climate will keep changing.
It’s all a part of MY plan.
Global warming will have nothing to do
With the activities of man.”
Byron, the alarmist have been programmed over the course of thirty years, it will take a little time to de-program them. I’m doing the best I can, hopefully it won’t take as long to reverse it.
They can not deny the Medieval Warm Period or the Little Ice Age.
Both before the industrial revolution and both with human inhabitants in the world.
Medieval Warm Period was basically removed from the climate record by Michael Mann’s infamous “hockey stick” history graph that was adopted by the IPCC a decade ago. This was a way to program the flock. Out of sight, out of mind.
After the MWP a period of cooling took place known as the Little Ice Age.
We can go back further to Pliocene Warm Interval, a period of warm climate conditions that preceded the current Pleistocene Ice Age. Occurring some 4 million years ago, the Pliocene warm interval has been difficult to explain.
The early Pliocene epoch from 5.3 to about 3 million years ago was much warmer than today. The early Pliocene climate was very much like preindustrial conditions during the Holocene (our current interglacial warm period). Similarities include the amount of solar radiation Earth received, the concentration of atmospheric CO2, and a nearly identical geographic environment. But there were also significant differences. For example, there was no permanent ice sheet in the Northern Hemisphere, and global sea level was 80 feet higher.
Again, watch The Mystery Cloud
bDAMAN:
the earth, for most of it’s history, has been warm.
People are funny, we have been here for a blip in geologic time and we see everything in intervals of 20 years (a generation). An equivalent interval for earth would be 1.75 billion years.
That is overstated but you get the idea.
There might be a warming cycle of 20 million years and the temperature change we are seeing is just a short cycle movement and then back to normal.
Right, GW (actually “climate change”)
Two different things, in short
Global Warming = A Warming Globe
Climate Change = A Climatic Change Warm or Cold
Thats why Alarmist now say that Global Warming will actually make it snow and cause winter storms as Rafflaw points out.
winter storms are one of the offshoots from global warming. Sorry to confuse you with facts. http://climateprogress.org/2009/12/20/global-warming-copenhagen-snow-storm-blizzard-extreme-weather/
If this is the case and you have Blizzard after Blizzard or record cold and snow for a longer duration. This would mean the over all temperature for the year will flat line or become negative creating Global Cooling.
So in reality from an Alarmist stand point Global Warming is actually good cause it creates Global Cooling and together they make Climate Change.
And yes your right Byron a warmer planet is better than a frozen one. Can’t grow crops in Ice or snow.
Byron a friend of mine told me,
“Global Warming is for real, I don’t care what you say, I’ve seen it up close and in my lifetime. I’ve been to over 30 National Parks, talk to the people on the ground, they agree with me”
I told him wow, 30 national parks and you’ve seen them all before the age of 50. Mighty long time compared to this little blue marble. Wow fifty years
I don’t care what you say, I’ve seen it. I know it’s real
I just shook my head and said, O.K., If you say so.
And yes your right Byron a warmer planet is better than a frozen one. Can’t grow crops in Ice or snow.
Oh, forgot, the crops best friend, CO2
I’ll take one housewife from Alaska over ten thousand Ivy League grads any day.
Ivy league grads have been, essentially, running America for most of the last century. And we are on the brink of disaster because of it and them.
They are the worst among us. Yes, worse than drug dealers, thieves, hookers, porn producers, trolls, con men, and rappers.
C.S. Lewis wrote in the Screwtape Letters
“The greatest evil is not done now in those sordid ‘dens of crime’ that Dickens loved to paint. It is not even done in concentration camps and labor camps. In those we see its final results. But it is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice.”
That’s who the Ivy league crowd is. In the immortal words of Obi wan Kenobi’s they are “a hive of scum and villainy”.
Give me the moose hunting housewife with a messy family life, she is more trustworthy.
Climate talks are no example of man’s arrogance, climate change is.
Don’t have to worry about her making any backroom deals.
What ever happened to all those investigations?
Byron after an overwhelming response to the Build A Bear Video we get this today.
Our intention with the Polar Bear story was to inspire children, through the voices of our animal characters, to make a difference in their own individual ways. We did not intend to politicize the topic of global climate change or offend anyone in any way. The webisodes concluded this week with Santa successfully leaving on his journey to deliver gifts around the world. The webisodes will no longer be available on the site.
Sincerely,
Maxine Clark
Founder and Chief Executive Bear
Build-A-Bear Workshop
Tootie:
“Ivy league grads have been, essentially, running America for most of the last century. And we are on the brink of disaster because of it and them.
They are the worst among us. Yes, worse than drug dealers, thieves, hookers, porn producers, trolls, con men, and rappers.”
****************
Well let’s see now over the last century these “Ivy League grads,” as you call them, have defeated two fascists bent on world dominion, advanced science to the point where life spans have dramatically increased, cured diseases such as polio and small pox, made our country the envy of the world and the cultural center of civilization, and, all the while, beaten back every attempt to stop these advances by the troglodyte fundie Christian crowd who think that we are a doomed, loathsome species, unworthy of anything unless our fantasy Santa Claus in the sky gives it too us. They’ve had considerable help of course, as every thinking person knows, but their contributions are manifest,as well.
Tootie, you are the classic anti-elitist who resents the simple fact that there are those among us quite a bit smarter and more able than you and and those of your ilk who consider themselves admirers of the so-called “common man.” ( I call them “mass men”) I, of course, exclude myself from the crowd of doers and thinkers and leave others to judge my paltry contributions, but your anti-intellectualism, anti-humanism, and downright anti-Americanism is becoming tiresome. I have never asked anyone to leave the blog, and I won’t ask you to do so either, but could you raise your game just a tad so I don’t place you in the same category of those other nattering nabobs like Glen Beck and, your apparent heroine, Sarah Palin? They get no respect in thinking person circles, and never get read either — likely because they have nothing to say of merit.
The next time you get on one of these “anti-smart people, I like average” rants consider, if you can, whether you’d want an elite surgeon working on you in a life threatening emergency, or one with the mean accomplishments of the mass men you so basely and foolishly admire. You can be governed by the first 100 names in the telephone book, not me.
50 years of cooling predicted in new peer review study
Cosmic rays and chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), both already implicated in depleting the Earth’s ozone layer, are also responsible for changes in the global climate, a University of Waterloo scientist reports in a new peer-reviewed paper.
In his paper, Qing-Bin Lu, a professor of physics and astronomy, shows how CFCs – compounds once widely used as refrigerants – and cosmic rays – energy particles originating in outer space – are mostly to blame for climate change, rather than carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions. His paper, derived from observations of satellite, ground-based and balloon measurements as well as an innovative use of an established mechanism, was published online in the prestigious journal Physics Reports.
”My findings do not agree with the climate models that conventionally thought that greenhouse gases, mainly CO2, are the major culprits for the global warming seen in the late 20th century,” Lu said. “Instead, the observed data show that CFCs conspiring with cosmic rays most likely caused both the Antarctic ozone hole and global warming….”
In his research, Lu discovers that while there was global warming from 1950 to 2000, there has been global cooling since 2002. The cooling trend will continue for the next 50 years, according to his new research observations.
http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/~qblu/CV.html
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/50_years_of_cooling_predicted#65269
Climate change alliance crumbling
The so-called Basic countries – Brazil, South Africa, India and China – backed the accord in a meeting with the US on Friday night, and it was also supported by almost all other nations at the talks, including all of the biggest emitters.
But on Tuesday the Brazilian government labelled the accord “disappointing” and complained that the financial assistance it contained from rich to poor countries was insufficient.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c9453654-ef2d-11de-86c4-00144feab49a.html?nclick_check=1
Cold Hits 30 Cities in Hidalgo (Mexican state)
Temperatures fell to 8 to 2 degrees Celsius. The cold wave has affected areas in the north, center and south of Mexico.
Director of the State Civil Defense System, Miguel García Conde, confirmed that this season has not been typical, because warm temperatures are usually recorded thru December, also in the middle of the week there was heavy rain in almost the entire state, and with the beginning of winter the first frost was recorded in 30 of the 84 municipalities, a very rare event.
He says that January will be a month when much greater cold will be experienced based on future forecast models.
Just over a month after Climategate started, we have breaking news from Climate Audit
Met Office and CRU Bow to Public Pressure: Publish Data Subset and Code
The UK Met Office has released a large tranche of station data, together with code.
Only last summer, the Met Office had turned down my FOI request for station data, saying that the provision of station data to me would threaten the course of UK international relations. Apparently, these excuses have somehow ceased to apply.
Last summer the Met Office stated:
http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/22/met-office-archives-data-and-code/
bdman:
I have learned to be wary of the man of a thousand defenses.
mespo:
You wrote”
“‘Ivy League grads,’ as you call them, have defeated two fascists bent on world dominion…”
It is the Ivy league types who were clearly fascists last century and we have only to look at Obama and Bush to see a continuation of that theme.
What you refer to as our having “defeated two fascists bent on world domination” is best described as the clash of fascists (US fascists versus European ones).
World War I was of no concern to us. There was no threat to American citizens if all of Europe went fascist.
SO WHAT!
Even Churchill complained that the USA extended World War One just at the point when it was about to end. Nice going President Wilson, you Ivy League (what is now Princeton) nincompoop lawyer.
Churchill (CHURCHILL!!) blamed WW2 on the US (until he was on his knees because of Hitler) and said if we hadn’t gotten involved in WW1, WW2 might not have happened.
It was because the foolish English elites (like Churchill) had a pathological hatred of the Germans and stupidly vowed to protect Poland if it was attacked, that Hitler was drawn westward. If Columbia attacks the US, you can be sure we will be drawn southward.
The English provoked Hitler to move west.
Now, that is Churchill, not me.
It was Kennedy (Harvard) who put boots on the ground in Vietnam (which was no threat to Americans). That cost us tens of thousands slaughtered sons (mostly) and provoked a cultural upheaval from which we have not recovered. We carpet bombed civilians for crying out loud!
You said “advanced science to the point where life spans have dramatically increased, cured diseases such as polio and small pox, made our country the envy of the world and the cultural center of civilization…”
I’m not criticizing scientists or doctors here. And Harvard isn’t the only place where great ones are produced. I’m criticizing lawyers, historians, political science majors, and all other “scholars” who don’t have to be smart or logical to get to good grades or get to the top of the pile. They just need the name of the school attached to their resume.
In fact they can be dumb as dirt, and evil, and arrive at the pinnacle of power all shiny and clean to command life, death, peace, or prosperity.
Then, you wrote in your standard intolerant fashion that it was the “fundie Christian crowd who thinks that we are a doomed, loathsome species, unworthy of anything unless our fantasy Santa Claus in the sky gives it too us.”
Well, it seems to me that it the non-fundies (Wilson, FDR, and Kennedy) who were the ones who had the “we are a doomed and loathsome species” view of the world overseas because they couldn’t help but bomb the hell out of it.
For your information and further enlightenment, it is godless heathens like Al Gore who think we are doomed and use junk science to prove it. Christians believe the earth is eternal (or will be more so some day) and that God thinks we humans are worth saving even though we are woefully corrupt. And the reason Christians evangelize is because they agree that people are worth it.
If you think fundie Christians are wrong about the nature of the human race and its fallen status, I would like to submit to you and before an imaginary court of the universe, that the entire history of the human race is evidence that the race is stark raving mad despite its occasional forward momentum.
It even tried to annihilate itself last century.
Last century alone over 100 million innocent civilians (Rummel’s numbers) were slaughtered. Who did that, fundies? No! Government! And it was mostly pagan, heathen, or atheist government.
I don’t think this is a good resume for the human race. And if we are to take the evidence and compare it to your view or the fundie view, it appears that the fundies have the better claim.
And if I look at the world the way you do, I’d say you are fundamentally opposed to fundamentalist Christians.
Therefore, my dear, you are a fundie.
Tootie,
“They are the worst among us. Yes, worse than drug dealers, thieves, hookers, porn producers, trolls, con men, and rappers.”
What about people who kick kittens? Where do Ivy League graduates rate against kitten kickers? (Rappers, seriously?
I’m mildly surprised Ivy Leaguers got left out of “The List” (Warning: The clip contains what FFLEO might call “rough” Language):
Man, do I miss Slim Pickens and Harvey Korman. Those cats were funny.
Buddha,
Don’t forget about Madeline Khan, she’s in that scene, peeking out over Slim Picken’s Shoulder occasionally.
“Wunderbar!”
Tootie,
Since at this point, I’m pretty sure that you live in an universe with an alternate time-line than the one the rest of us are in, I’ll skip over your historical inaccuracies.
You do know that in this context Fundamentalism refers to the literal interpretation of holy texts right? Unless there’s a universal “anti-Fundamentalist Christian” holy text out there, you’re wrong in referring to Mespo as a Fundi.
Let me introduce you to the logical fallacy of Equivocation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation
Pay no attention to the troll behind the curtain.
“Please! Watch me! I’m just a copy paster! See! I’m not what I just got busted being! A hate troll! Really! I’m not! I’m just a climate denier troll not a bigot! I didn’t mean it when I called someone a Christ Killer! Really! I just hate Al Gore!”
Dance, dance, dance. Just because you are doing the two step doesn’t mean either step is in time or in place. You’re a really bad dancer on top of it all.
Please stay on topic, Sarah Palin or Global Warming
If not move along please
How about you stuff telling me what to do, bdabigot.
You have one option to get us off your back and spamming a distraction tactic ain’t it, sport.
A little more about Palin’s point of view on global warming.
From Politics Daily (12/17/2009)
Palin vs. Schwarzenegger: A Battle for the Heart of the GOP
Carl M. Cannon
Senior Washington Correspondent
Excerpt:
As if she didn’t have enough adversaries, Sarah Palin has decided to mix it up with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Ostensibly, the issue was global warming. Actually, it’s about the future face of the Republican Party — whose it will be, and the ideology that person brings to the table.
The exchange of criticisms between the ex-governor of Alaska and the current California governor was provoked by comments Schwarzenegger made about Palin at the international summit on climate change in Copenhagen – a conference Palin not only avoided, but called on President Obama to boycott. With that, the gauntlet was thrown for the long-distance jousting between two of the GOP’s most prominent knights.
It all began when the former body builder and action movie hero was asked by the Financial Times of London, as he was about to board a jet from Los Angeles to Copenhagen, about a recent op-ed penned by Palin in The Washington Post in which she took aim at sketchy tactics used by British scientists to squelch the views of global warming skeptics.
Those tactics came to light in a series of leaked e-mails, which Palin characterized in her op-ed as “Climate-gate.” Palin noted that from her perspective in Alaska, she had been one of the first governors to take global warming seriously, and had created a sub-cabinet position to make recommendations on how to deal with it. She then added, somewhat incongruously, that because of the scandal with the British scientists, Obama ought to shun the Copenhagen conference. And she included this money quote – the one that launched a thousand rebuttals: “But while we recognize the occurrence of these natural, cyclical environmental trends, we can’t say with assurance that man’s activities cause weather changes. We can say, however, that any potential benefits of proposed emissions reduction policies are far outweighed by their economic costs.”
This assertion didn’t strike Schwarzenegger, who has initiated a sweeping array of measures in California to lower carbon emissions, as very well thought out. “You have to ask: what was she trying to accomplish?” the Governator told the FT. “Is she really interested in this subject or is she interested in her career and in winning the nomination? You have to take all these things with a grain of salt.”
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/12/17/palin-vs-schwarzenegger-a-battle-for-heart-of-the-gop/2
Yes Drill SAR-GENT
Cause you told me to Drill SAR-GENT
Not only did they wine,dine and spew tonnes of CO2 in the air, they don’t want to pay either.
Sweden has received a bill of almost 3.5 million kronor ($480,000)for limousine services transporting delegates during a five-day summit meeting of European development aid ministers hosted this autumn by the Swedish EU presidency, financial daily Dagens Industri (DI) reports.
http://www.thelocal.se/23990/20091222/
Mespo:
“You can be governed by the first 100 names in the telephone book, not me.”
I think it is the first 535.
Byron and Mespo,
Shouldn’t you add another few for the heads of the other Branches?
Although since there’s a more detailed Constitutional prescription for how those are chosen, perhaps not.
Gyges:
I think you are right, er left, er right.
I was actually making a point that we have many clowns in both houses of congress.
I guess my razor like wit is so sharp that it is smaller than a photon.
Byron,
Yeah, mine’s so sharp it exists only as a probability.
Byron:
Thanks for prompting me to look up the famous quote. William F. Buckley famously said that he’d rather be governed by the first 400 people in the Boston phone directory rather than the faculty of Harvard. Here’s the exact quote:
“I’d rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory
than to the faculty of Harvard University.”
~William F. Buckley, Jr.
Tootie:
I actually thought about responding to your historical inaccuracies but Gyges, as usual, brought me to my senses. He’s sort of the “Boone” to my “Otter.” (As usual Gyges, I am in your debt.) Since you’re on a roll there Tootie, please proceed:
Sorry, tootie but even I have no power to resist this intellectual lob. You quite sincerely told me that:
“If you think fundie Christians are wrong about the nature of the human race and its fallen status, I would like to submit to you and before an imaginary court of the universe, that the entire history of the human race is evidence that the race is stark raving mad despite its occasional forward momentum.”
Were I counsel in that case and you were presented as an exhibit in support of the proposition that the inhabitants of earth are stark raving mad, I would be hard-pressed to disagree — or are you a being “not of this world”? If that be the case, let me offer you a ride to any intergalactic bus station for an all-expenses paid ride home!
mespo:
You make this all too easy.
Everyone is nuts;
It is just a matter of degree.
(this is why absolute power is always dangerous).
All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
The race is contaminated (sorta)
But worth saving (according to God).
I’d have it scrubbed.
He tried that.
The flood.
The Heavens declare his glory.
He is awesome.
We were created in his image.
The end of the story is fabulous.
bdaman is back and as indignant as ever. Tootie where do you blow your horn when you are not here?
Tootie
Very well written
For you
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=17849695
bdaman is back and as indignant as ever
Doing my best to change hearts and minds one at a time
Yes Badaman you and tootie do well. How long have you known tootie? Do you both intend to take the bus? Do you think a group rate should or could be negotiated for you?
Tootie:
As JT commented on a past posting, “There is something terribly profound in this totally unconnected thought.” I agree since he was talking about an 11 year old. Seems appropriate here too and for the same reason.
I am only responding to a particular comment a commenter made.
FOOTNOTE:
Because I agree with a PARTICULAR COMMENT made by another commenter please do not compare, associate or infer that his/her comment or views are that of mine without my expressed written consent.
One week it’s unprecedented
the next it’s
people are justified in disappointment.
Together it equals unprecedented disappointment. Oh the Humanity
Obama Says Disappointment Over Climate Change Summit Is ‘Justified’
December 23, 2009 6:33 Pm
“I think that people are justified in being disappointed about the outcome in Copenhagen,” the president said today during an interview with PBS’s Jim Lehrer, “What I said was essentially that rather than see a complete collapse in Copenhagen in which nothing at all got done and would have been a huge backward step, at least we kind of held ground and there wasn’t too much backsliding from where we were. It didn’t move us the way we need to.”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/12/obama-says-disappointment-over-climate-change-summit-is-justified.html
Obama Says, ‘Today we’ve made a meaningful and unprecedented breakthrough here in Copenhagen’
December 18, 2009
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-during-press-availability-copenhagen
The sounds of Summer
Flip Flop Flip Flop
Why the democratic party is so screwed up, but remember we must act now to avoid a catastrophe caused by Global Warming, I mean Climate Change or really the natural variability of the earth to naturally warm and cool according to solar activities.
We need to transform to a new, clean energy economy but we can’t build solar panels in the Mojave Desert if California Senator Diane Feinstein has anything to say about it:
Senator Dianne Feinstein introduced legislation in Congress on Monday to protect a million acres of the Mojave Desert in California by scuttling some 13 big solar plants and wind farms planned for the region.
But before the bill to create two new Mojave national monuments has even had its first hearing, the California Democrat has largely achieved her aim. Regardless of the legislation’s fate, her opposition means that few if any power plants are likely to be built in the monument area, a complication in California’s effort to achieve its aggressive goals for renewable energy.
Developers of the projects have already postponed several proposals or abandoned them entirely. The California agency charged with planning a renewable energy transmission grid has rerouted proposed power lines to avoid the monument.”
Years of subsidies and tax credits haven’t helped wind and solar projects compete with more reliable sources of energy. Solar power supplies less than one percent of the country’s electricity demand; wind does slightly better. That’s not necessarily a red flag to stop building more, but it is indicative of how far we have to go and how costly it would be “transform to a clean energy economy” as President Obama said in his remarks to the delegation at the United Nations climate change conference in Copenhagen.
If the private businesses deem it in their interest to pursue renewable energy projects (without federal help), they should be able to do so. But where these projects may be the most economically viable, such as the Mojave Dessert, the government is shutting them down.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., environmentalist and a partner with a venture capital firm invested in solar, told the New York Times, “This is arguably the best solar land in the world, and Senator Feinstein shouldn’t be allowed to take this land off the table without a proper and scientific environmental review.”
This is not the first time, nor will it be the last, the renewable projects have either been thwarted or put on hold because of self-interested in politicians. Cape Wind spent millions in litigation costs, delays and regulatory hurdles in attempting to build a 130-turbine offshore project in the Nantucket Sound that Senator Ted Kennedy long opposed despite the turbines being barely visible from the horizon.
The Mojave Dessert situation is slightly different because Sen. Feinstein says, “the lands were purchased with nearly $45 million in private funds and $18 million in federal funds and donated to the federal government for the purpose of conservation, and that commitment must be upheld. Period.” But if an environmental group wants to preserve these lands, they shouldn’t rely on the taxpayer to fund the purchase nor fund the conservation of the land. In fact, many environmental groups do just that. Private property rights make it possible for the Nature Conservancy and Ducks Unlimited to protect habitat by purchasing land and establishing wildlife preserves.’
Nantucket and the Mojave Dessert aren’t unique. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s Project No Project shows that the “Not in My Back Yard” crowd is everywhere. It’s not just anti-oil and anti-coal, it’s anti-energy and anti-development.
Even with subsidies, tax breaks and mandates, shifting our energy away from fossil fuels towards renewable energy will be a prohibitively costly and difficult task. Senator Feinstein is about to make it that much more difficult.
Gynes:
The reason the first fundamentalists were called that is because, not only did some Christians insist on the fundamental meaning of the Word of God, they also promoted adhering to those meanings, and associating with others who did so.
By that understanding, anyone strictly adhering to any code is a fundamentalist because the action being described is the action of adhering to something with a mind or heart of devotion. That this is limited (by the left) to only certain religious people doesn’t make it untrue.
Those people who recently gathered at COPENHAGEN are just as devoted to their beliefs as any spiritual person is to his or hers. They are just as devoted and just as determined to “evangelize” us all with their beliefs (which now are apparently more easy to prove to be a scientific fraud than God).
Perhaps only wish to limit the meaning of the word to religious persons. THAT would be the fallacy to discuss here. Now that leftists have turned the word into such a fun little semantic game, I thought I would join in just to prove the point.
Wikipedia reports that the word fundamentalism didn’t even exist in the Oxford English Dictionary until the 1950s, nor in American dictionaries until the 1980s (fundamenalIST). Wow, I wonder what that makes the Pilgrims? Wouldn’t you say they were as devoted as any “fundies” here in America today?
Anyway, the current usage appears to be a malicious (modern) attempt to smear Christians with a word merely describing an attitude common to many similar secular and non-secular groups intensely devoted to an idea. Years ago people might have just used excellent or precise words to condemn Christians as they desired: idiots, hypocrites, fools, and etc. But now, it seems, the critics hide behind the word “fundie”. The better to hate them, I think.
Even I was surprised how recent the slur is. I guess fundie democrats and atheists are quite successful these days at manipulating the language in order to express their contempt for others. I like to point this out.
Nevertheless, I feel I have adequate etymological justification for my use of the word when discussing the nonreligious among us, because the word “fundamental” has a meaning that can aptly apply to many other causes or cases based on the root meaning of the word. Christians were only exhibiting “fundamentalism” as it pertained to the common dictionary definition and building an idea around that. It seems, loathers on the left jumped on that in order to better hate the Christian.
The cause of science even has fundamental principles which we can refer to in books. That is all some Christians insist on: fundamental principles. Whether you think they can proven or not, isn’t at issue. And that the godless are offended with this is THEIR bigoted problem.
I’m sorry, but an atheist will definitely insist on the fundamental belief there is no God.
And so, the atheist, too, is a fundie according to the usage started by people last century (who HAPPENED to be religious). And also, the atheist is a fundie accoring to the usage by the left regarding religious persons (indirectly) as that meaning has to do with adherence to essentials. And so, also, the atheist is a fundie according to my reckoning, by the dictionary definition of the root word which implies the state of being essential.
This is not a scary thing except to superstitious people who live with delusions about devoted Christians.
It seems that the religious aspect was only a coincidence used by the left to invent a curse word so they didn’t have to look so crude as to openly say they hated Christians, or whatever.
The dictionary definition of the word fundamental lends itself perfectly to usage in such a way that I can accurately claim anyone with staunch beliefs is a fundamentalist as those beliefs are fundamental to being believed. The left merely uses the terms pejoratively, which is why leftists are offended and argumentative by my applying the terms to them.
I have every legitimate reason by my reckoning, then, to say that the charge of fallacious usage is to be laid on those who limit the meaning only to Christians or the Taliban (etc.). It is those who keep the meaning of the word expanded, who are using the word correctly.
The only reason leftists get irate when I do this is because they have (all by their little selves) limited the meaning, turned the word into a slur and are then offended when it is directed at them.
They are not so happy about being the “thing” they once and still condemn and mock. And they tend to grab their pails and shovels and stomp away from the sandbox when they are treated like they treat others.
Leftists think they can label others anything they want: haters, fundies, knuckle-draggers, racists, bigots, bashers, and so forth. It doesn’t matter if they are false labels. They lob these things around the culture, and then go their merry way thinking they are superior, rarely examining themselves to be sure.
They seem to forget the tables can be turned on them in the same manner they served up. And its odd, but turning the tables on the democrats and leftists is USUALLY the best way to get to the truth.
For example. Democrats are famous for calling republicans racists (against immigration, etc.). But it is democrats who forbid blacks from escaping bad inner city schools (republicans would let them escape). Where is the racism then? Sure, you can say that if whites where there instead, the democrats wouldn’t let them escape either. Agreed. But whites are not there for the most part. Point is, specifically, republicans would if they could grant them a ticket out of those schools and would have no other people granted such a ticket. Would, say, a KKK racist do that?
It is democrats who maniacally adovocate abortion but it is the black community that aborts more of its own at a rate sometimes as much as 5 times that of whites. This is worse, numbers-wise, than lynching. And it is virtually only white liberals to snuff out these lives. And some black “fundies” point this out.
But it is supposedly the republicans (and those fundies who oppose abortion) who are considered the enemy of the blacks. Republicans, on the other hand, would have preserved the black population (which would probably be a higher RATE than it is now because the birth rate tends to be higher among the poor. Would a KKK member have wanted? No way. The KKK would be happy to see blacks abort themselves at the rate white liberal democrats have promoted. Republicans were NOT happy. By the way, I left the GOP years ago.
And, finally, it is democrats who continually condemn republicans about blacks not being in the GOP, when to condemn them is to actually, unintentionally, imply that democrats think blacks are too stupid to make the political choice of choosing the political philosophy they prefer. This reveals more the racism of democrats and leftists, than republicans.
You seem to think we don’t know the philosophies of others as much as we know the philosophy of “fundies”. But it is easy to pin down the fundamental core beliefs of democrats (liberals/aka progressives). There are few more fundamentalist democrats I’ve seen wield so much power than Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. They even have a handy dandy political “Platform” you can refer to if you are having trouble figuring it out what the fundamental democratic party core beliefs are. But most of us know democratic party fundamental beliefs off hand: abortion, social programs, etc.
And like I often say, you can always tell a liberal by this: a liberal is one who supports the Constitutional right to pull ones pants down in public via print or film media.
This appears to be a sure-fire test of the matter and it covers libs across the socio-econonomic-political spectrum.
These things are common knowledge and I’m sure that since people are free to volunteer to join the democratic party (which has the highest percentage of liberals) and they know what the party advocates, we can safely assume certain beliefs are fundamental to the party.
To limit the word fundamentalism to religious people one does not like is THE fallacious semantic trick you might be applying to me, when in fact the term more likely applies to those who limit its meaning to certain Christians.
You might want to check out the difference between a fundamentalist or literalist interpretation of the bible. It seems you have confused the terms. Fundamentalists are not literalist in the strictest sense. Literalists believe the whole bible is to be interpreted literally, fundamentalists believe it is to be interpreted literally UNLESS a literal interpretation is not logical, or indicated by the text, or when compared to other scripture.
In truth, there are fundamentalists of all sorts and they can be good or bad, secular or religious.
Pat Metheny (a famous musician) once said:
“I don’t worry too much about the fundamentalist principles that are in almost any discussion about jazz.”
Is Jazz a fundie form of music? Hardly.
Some public school systems have Fundamental Schools. Are they for fundies? No. They are secular schools which teach the basics first: strong reading, writing, and math.
In Japan, where they don’t stoke their obsessive hatred of Christians like they do here in America, they even have schools (departments) of science called
The School of Fundamental Science and Technology.
http://www2.st.keio.ac.jp/english/grad_funda/index.html
What I think has happened here is that at the point when the word “fundamental” was undergoing a common etymological transformation last century and broadening its applications, those on left high-jacked this development and used it as a convenient means with which to cloak their hatred.
I’m here to rescue the word from its kidnapping.
Gyges, sorry for misspelling your name again!
Merry Christmas.
God-man is no supreme, but science either is not supreme.
Science is just stumbling upon the things compared to the vast infinite things that we don’t know anything about. Yes, science has made our life on this planet more machine like and comfortable and faster and efficient, in a way – no denial of that.
Many science perceptions or findings may possibly prove wrong totally later.
Science is not in the hands of ‘independent’ scientists – they are hired by the power governments, and super brokers. Science messages are released and revealed according to the ‘tunes’ of so called ‘best interest’ of the world or ‘vested interest’.
No scientist is a free bird.
One of the things that I’ve noticed over the last couple of years is the repeated quotes in weather headlines
Breaking a _________ year record.
Most of these records go back 80 to 100 years some include the word EVER.
When we look at the suns solar cycle you can’t help but notice that these records coincide with it. The suns output for solar activity is near a 100 year low. Recently an uptick was observed and whether or not it maintains is yet to be seen.
Recently NASA released it’s results of the fall meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco from Dec. 14 to 18. Those results show that the suns in activity is cooling the upper atmosphere.
NASA’s satellite show a dramatic cooling in the upper atmosphere that correlates with the declining phase of the current solar cycle. For the first time, researchers can show a timely link between the Sun and the climate of Earth’s thermosphere, the region above 100 km, an essential step in making accurate predictions of climate change in the high atmosphere.
The correlation of the suns solar cycle and world weather events are becoming more clear with each recorded event.
Two thirds of the United States is now covered in snow and 99% of Canada is covered.
All of Canada’s lakes are now completely frozen over and last year the Great Lakes were almost completely frozen over. This does not occur often and I suspect that the same will occur this year.
http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/nsa/index.html?region=National&year=2009&month=12&day=25&units=e
http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/nsa/index.html?region=National&year=2009&month=12&day=25&units=e
December 25, 2009 Area Covered By Snow: 63.0%
Area Covered Last Month: 10.4%
Snow Depth
Average: 5.0 in
Minimum: 0.0 in
Maximum: 889.2 in
Std. Dev.: 7.0 in
Snow Water Equivalent
Average: 0.9 in
Minimum: 0.0 in
Maximum: 437.5 in
Std. Dev.: 1.5 in
Rare blizzard strikes West Texas
By TERRY WALLACE
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Dec. 25, 2009, 6:50AM
DALLAS — In much of the rolling plains of West Texas, a blizzard has never been recorded.
There has been one now.
The region west and northwest of the Dallas-Fort Worth area saw blizzard-like conditions throughout the day Christmas Eve as up to 8 inches of snow fell in the region, according to the National Weather Service. Winds gusting at up to 65 mph drifted the snow as deep as 5 feet in some areas.
No blizzard warning had ever been issued for an area of Texas as far south as Interstate 20, said Jim Wingenroth, senior forecaster at the National Weather Service office in San Angelo.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6786561.html
Other Notables
The Star-Telegram said the Dallas-Fort Worth area was experiencing its first White Christmas in more than 80 years. The last time it experienced “a true, New England-style dose of snow on Christmas Day was Dec. 25, 1926,”
Oklahoma City had received 14 inches of snow by Thursday night, breaking a record set back in 1914 of 2.5 inches.
Heavy snow and ice are causing disruption across a wide swathe of Europe. Flights have been delayed or cancelled at airports in Britain, Belgium, France, Germany and the Netherlands.
Power providers in south-east France say they have had to cut supplies to around two million people to avoid a massive regional blackout.
Coal Fired steam train rescues passengers in Britain where electric trains failed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/8428097.stm
Mespo:
“Were I counsel in that case and you were presented as an exhibit in support of the proposition that the inhabitants of earth are stark raving mad, I would be hard-pressed to disagree — or are you a being “not of this world”? If that be the case, let me offer you a ride to any intergalactic bus station for an all-expenses paid ride home!”
Prosecution or defense?
Byron, was trying to research Sierra Club. You made a comment on how they could or would profit from AGW, could you explain it to me.
With regard to one of the comments made by “Bdaman”, it is important to remember re:Eurotrain that the services were only reduced with planned cancellations, which seems to be common sense for people’s safety to be honest. I got back from Avignon yesterday, so I wasn’t stuck in the tunnel, but I think people should check the Ashford, and indeed the station websites as they do give out all the info.
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