http://gawker.com/5461928/teabugger-james-okeefe-speaks-defends-unique-brand-of-fake-journalism

An Order is by the court subjecting the parties to contempt by the court for disobeying what the court has stated.

A Gag order applies to others all persons and not necessarily parties before the court. Such as news medias. It is a prior restraint of dissemination of any information by the parties and if it is released somebody is going to Jail.

The condition of bond in this case, although subject to the wrath of the court is generally not an order of the court unless set/ordered by the court.

This is a magistrate setting the terms and conditions of bond and it only applies to these/this defendant.

It is not an order by the court to the prosecutors or news media. YET.

I would guess that the court will be having a hearing shortly. I do not think that the people with the media outlets have considered but they will do great benefit to those in Federal Custody being held in all sorts of places.

My suspicion is that one of the reasons that they want to keep all of the detainees out of the US is because of the Noreiga decision that stated that the 4th AM has no applicability outside of the US borders and the CIA has made a hay day out of it ever since.

So…what exactly is the difference between a gag order and a judge’s instructions to parties in a legal procedure “not to disclose or discuss the matter involved in the case to the public?”

I do suppose he is most upset that his name will make him suffer impecuniously. Awe gosh, I had never really paid much attention to him before now.

I wonder if O’Keefe will turn on him for a lighter sentence? Hmm, It does make one wonder. He complained that O’Keefe was denied an Attorney for 28 hours and compared this to the whole Gitmo. I suppose that they would be happy to be released after 28 hours. Now when did Bush give them an Attorney? 2001, 02,03,04,05,06,07,08? Was this more than 28 hours?

I guess unless you are playing for the Hometeam you have no right.

I did notice that he had a banner on his picture that said send “9th Graders to Prison.” If he really believes that they certainly O’Keefe is Prison material.

I do not believe a gag order has actually been entered. I do think that this is a Condition of Bond and he is risking being held in contempt and remanded to the Custody of the place responsible for taking charge of Federal Prisoners.

“Angel said he asked the guys if what the newspaper was saying was true: Did they really try to mess with Landrieu’s phones?

“They said they couldn’t talk about it, that the judge said they couldn’t discuss the case,” Angel said.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2010/02/landrieu_caper_prep_whole_lotta_typin_goin_on.php

“There was, as far as anyone has been able to ascertain, no gag order for Mr. O’Keefe to violate.”

Gag order
Definition (from Lawyers.com)
: an order barring public disclosure or discussion (as by the involved parties or the press) of information relating to a case

Gag Order (from Legal-Explanations.com)
(n) Gag Order is the order issued by a judge prohibiting the attorney and parties involved in a legal procedure not to disclose or discuss the matter involved in the case to the public, when the judge is of the opinion that such an action may prejudice or influence the outcome the trial.

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I read in an article at The Huffington Post today that the judge told O’Keefe and his alleged co-conspirators not to discuss the case. That sounds pretty close to a gag order to me.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/01/interviews-shed-light-on_n_444300.html

I am in Shock, a Family Valued GOP Operative would use such words in Public. I am aghast, the purity that once was isn’t. Right Waynester Gangster? BeDuhGanster, WannaBedaman?

Thanks for illustrating to all the readers your quality of character. See, if you scroll up and read our first exchange you’ll find that it was not I who launched an ad hominem manner anything. I merely pointed out the fallacious nature of your condemnation of liberals from your bio.

It was you who responded by calling me a collectivist, so apparently the ad hominem manner was yours.

Get your facts straight.

You are most certainly and indeed welcome. You make a great conversation piece. Sorta like the Head on the end of a stick.

Your right wing stuff is interesting. So is a lot of stuff, like postings that are illusory or illogical mixed with some grain of truth. Just enough to make it hard to tell the truth of which is real and which is an illusion. But you get to decide who is right.

The next time you go to Florida, hit Winter Haven. It the summer home to PT Barnum and his majestic estate. Suckers paid for it. But then again one is born everyday.

Duh is good. He disappeared and you are here. Bdaman got burned to, now you are here. Jacker of Threads was here temporarily, now you are here.

The only things used against you was the truth that you put out there. Why would you be so upset?

Attack, ensnare, devour, attack, defend, deny, and attack. What is your pleasure?

“Here, let me fix that for you,”

…that whole “let me fix that for you” bit is /so/ oughts. Got anything newer?

Here, let me fix that for you,

“I don’t have the brainpower to respond to you so I make up excuses and toss labels so as to appear as if I had a brain”. -Waynester

There. All better.

Anyway thanks for letting us know you’re not a neocon.

Would have been hard to tell otherwise.

lol, hey that’s funny stuff.

So you usually just come into the ends of threads to bury the topic with a bunch of juvenile insults and off topic babble?

“I think it is interesting the spin on the facts that you give it when they don’t go the way you wish…”

What “spin” do you refer? And what the hell do you know about “military training” anyway?

Former Federal LEO:
“For anyone who claims a factual error in an original article, please post a polite, detailed rebuttal within the *Corrections* section:”

Anonymously Yours:
“Do that at your own peril. Spin, Jack threads on this side. That is, I believe the professors request that it be used for corrections only. Not disputing facts.”

So which is it?

You sound like Duh, Bdaman. Any correlation between the three, four, five do I hear more?

I am amazed at your capacity to comprehend facts. I think it is interesting the spin on the facts that you give it when they don’t go the way you wish, shows your military training. Guess the reason you only did four was because you can’t take orders and they had a nice signing bonus for the stint? Any truth?

I see you taking the corrections page on now as well. Do that at your own peril. Spin, Jack threads on this side. That is, I believe the professors request that it be used for corrections only. Not disputing facts.

I do post over there but it usually a mistake and when I do before nal, I heckle him then. Take this for what you want, I am sure you will…

“Born October, 1960. Served 4 years US Army. Currently operating home based electronics repair business. Dedicated to liberty and freedom, which puts me at odds with leftists and “modern” liberals. ”

Obviously a party that permits zero dissent within its ranks cannot be considered promoting “liberty”.

Obviously a party that believes in throwing more people in prison or sending the military into other countries to occupy and imprison their people cannot be considered to be promoting “freedom”.”

Did I say a damn thing about any party? Is the screen moniker “thirtypercenter” intended to be indicative of your rate of reading comprehension? If so I’d say it’s a little generous.

He edited the tappe to make Acorn the evil doers he imagined them to be. He is an undercover propagandist.

http://alturl.com/jb83

Within 30 minutes, he was surrounded by other police, accusing him of DOMESTIC TERRORISM.

Same has happened to people filming bridges, tunnels and other infrastructure.

What these 4 did is DOMESTIC TERRORISM–ILLEGAL ENTRY GAINED THROUGH FRAUD, with the intent to SABOTAGE.

“Born October, 1960. Served 4 years US Army. Currently operating home based electronics repair business. Dedicated to liberty and freedom, which puts me at odds with leftists and “modern” liberals. ”

Obviously a party that permits zero dissent within its ranks cannot be considered promoting “liberty”.

Obviously a party that believes in throwing more people in prison or sending the military into other countries to occupy and imprison their people cannot be considered to be promoting “freedom”.

So your statement should read “Dedicated to defeating liberty and freedom, which puts me at odds with leftists and “modern” liberals. “

http://jonathanturley.org/corrections/

This page is reserved ONLY for suggested factual or grammatical errors —

It ok, to be wrong once in a while. But some do more so than others.

it is funny though, not as funny as shittin in your pants but none the less still funny.

Enough already.

I’ve never once suggested that you shouldn’t post here. Actually I on’t believe I’ve done that with anybody. Nor have I appealed to others
to take care of me, I’m well equipped to do it on my own. As to competing views of history I’ve forgotten more than you’ll ever learn and if you would simply try to read harder you might understand that what I said was no defense of the left wing. You won’t though and that is your problem. You can’t face up to being wrong and admitting it, or even seeing it. On the other hand in my history here I’ve admitted being wrong on many occasions and apologized for it sincerely with no equivocations. That is a big difference between you and me. I’m actually capable of trying to understand what someone is saying. You, not at all, you lack the capacity.

ROTFLMAO. At least that will put an end to AY’s claims that bdaman and I are one in the same, based one our writing style.

Thanks for providing us with “your version” of history. You do realize that two people can view the same series of events and interpret them differently. Don’t you? You do realize that both can consider their view to be acurate. Don’t you?

Who appointed you in charge of trying to run-off anyone who presents a point of view like mine? Who granted you permission to disregard the rules of civility in order to further your crusade against my point of view?

I am not paid. I don’t work for, nor am I a member of any political strategy association. I’m me. I express my views.

Maybe FFLEO or Mespo can better explain what you’re saying, and what I am saying. I don’t understand your justification for personally attacking me, and I don’t think you can understand that I am just me, expressing my own views.

I’ve said this before in comments on this thread but you choose to ignore anything that you feel you can’t answer. That is the tactic of a propagandist, not someone who wants discussion.”

That was the previous paragraph to the statement you quoted Duh, if you can’t understand the point that is not my problem.

“Duh pushed my button because he is a knee jerk example of the faux conservative noise machine that has dominated our politics since the time of Nixon. Plus I’ve explained why I attack him as I do, whether or not you like the explanation.

Translated: Duh provides commentary that I don’t agree with, so I have no choice but to resort to ad hominem attacks. He makes me do it. It’s his fault, not mine.”

Again you delete context from my statement. However, let me give you a fuller context that can be found by anyone who cares to look. After the Goldwater Debacle in 1964 a bunch of like minded conservatives/corporatists, with lots of money decided that their problem was PR and launched a long run campaign to win the propaganda wars. Their initial foray was to create foundations like Heritage, funded by a John Birch Society Member, to provide academic speakers who would present the face of their brand of corpratism to the media. Many foundations were formed and after a while the lazy media began to put these people on without giving the context that they were paid spokesman. By 1968 Nixon realized that the Presidency could be won by using the disaffection with the Civil Rights and Anti-War movements heavily in the South and the country as a whole.

They were very good on PR and invented memes like “soft on crime”
and “lawlessness” which became codewords for racism and hatred of the counter culture. Now in truth both these movements played into their hands after the death of MLK and RFK by becoming caricatures of themselves and believing in their own omnipotence, so they made the job easy.

What was added in the age of Nixon was the professionalism of the “dirty trick” player, Donald Segetti was the first I believe. Their object was to make the opposition look bad by developing a negative narrative, even when one didn’t exist. It was the epitome of Watergate and why Nixon had to leave office.
However, he was was ultimately replaced by Carter and Segretti by
Lee Atwater, who in turn trained Karl Rove. The conservative foundations flourished and the three networks were taken over by large, conservative corporations. The floodgates opened as propaganda became the new coin of political gain. Sunday news shows all had guests each week from the conservative foundations, who were now referred to reverantly as academics and disinterested experts.

Stories were planted in the news to make it seem as if all government was incompetent and only business knew how to get things done. Tom Brokaw of NBC News, owned by the world’s largest defense contractor, GE, had nightly stories showing government incompetence. The PR campaign worked, the sons and daughters of the original founders followed in their footsteps. Nancy Reagan’s father for instance was an original member of the John Birch Society, which was dedicated to bigotry and the end of all government regulation.

We are now in a stage where 50 years of propaganda and a lowering of educational standards has gotten many people to believe in what really is in their worst interests. However, that is the political game and liberals/moderates deserve what they get because they haven’t even realized the PR war they are in.

The technique that was perfected by Karl Rove, namely the old Nazi technique of the Big Lie, is what gets me mad. That technique, developed by Streicher and Goebbels was simply that if you repeat a lie often enough in public, people begin to believe it’s true. i.e. Obama is not a natural born citizen.

You duh are a propagator of the Big Lie, whether intentionally, or not, I neither know nor care. It is typified by your rush to promote the right’s talking points, no matter their silliness, or viciousness. By engaging in debate with you each time you present an unthinking viewpoint helps repeat the “Big Lie” and thus adds credibility to the untruth. I refuse to play your game and it mystifies you because it works so well with others.

People like Byron and FFLEO think things through for themselves and many times I even agree with their viewpoints. You probably don’t even realize that I’m really not a left winger per se, I am a pragmatist and iconoclast. I have stated here many times that i’m not interested in political philosophy because it’s what gets people jailed and killed. I selfishly want and try to work for a better human race because I’ve got children and grandchildren. Whether you accept it or not that is the reason for my treatment of you in the manner I do, because to me not to do so, gives your propaganda license.

You’re One of a kind, which doesn’t beat two of a kind but is still special no matter how many hands one is dealt.

I took the Duh comment in the humorous vein it was intended and greatly appreciate FFLeo’s flattering remarks.

I am not really all that complicated. I prefer “misunderstood,” as in “To be great is to be misunderstood.” Now that thought really is humorous.

Yes, I understood your humorous intent because of the “LOL.” I also added the ‘et al.’ for a distinct reason. I quoted your comment because had you not posted about mespo, I would not have responded; that is, your post was the impetus for my post and I took it the way you intended it to be—a humorous ‘jab’ and I know that mespo will (or has) also..

After reading your post, and since you quoted me, I’m not sure if you took my comment about Mespo in the right way. I intended no disrespect towards Mespo. I, in a light-hearted, humorous fashion, expressed that Mespo is complicated. I like complicated people. They generally have much to share, which provides me with much to learn.

My intent was to get a freindly chuckle from Mespo. I hope that he took it that way.

Stand right in front of a big building and look at one of the walls then describe what you are seeing. If you found that you are only seeing a wall then take few steps back and take another look; here you will see a part of a building but if you stepped back again for a bigger distance you will see the whole building or the full picture.

In most cases, people feel hurt because they only see part of the truth while ignoring that full picture that could have made them see this situation in a totally different way.

Let go. Understand that there is no benefit in holding on to heartache, regret, and hatred toward another person. Realize that although it is over, your relationship with that person was unique and special. XOXOXOX