Iran Set to Stone Woman To Death — After Giving Her 99 Lashes — For Adultery

We often run Iranian blogs to show clown-like policies such as requiring Islamic haircuts or mannequin mascetomies. However, it is important to remember the plight of women and dissidents under Iran’s medieval Sharia system. There is no more frightening example than the scheduled stoning of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, 43, for conducting an “illicit relationship outside marriage.” Convicted in May 2006, Ashtiani has already been given 99 lashes under her Sharia sentence.


She was originally acquitted, but under the Iranian “legal system” a judge is allowed to reverse such decisions based on “judge’s knowledge.” She has been in jail for five years and will now be buried up to her neck (men are buried to the waist) and then stoned to death.

Source: Guardian.

60 thoughts on “Iran Set to Stone Woman To Death — After Giving Her 99 Lashes — For Adultery

  1. “She was originally acquitted, but under the Iranian “legal system” a judge is allowed to reverse such decisions based on “judge’s knowledge.” She has been in jail for five years and will now be buried up to her neck (men are buried to the waist) and then stoned to death.”

    Wow and tell this to those folks under US control, even outside of Gitmo something different.

    In jail for five years, for a crime that she was acquitted of. Yes, I see the difference the lights went out for a moment. It is the US deciding the fate, not Iran, pardon me for not remembering……

  2. You would think people would learn to not have affairs with the price to pay so high. What happened to the guy?

  3. Byron, what makes you think she’s guilty? I imagine that she got the same sort of due process that we give to prisoners at Guantanamo and Bagram.

  4. Henry:

    It really doesn’t matter if she is guilty or not does it.

    The people we have in holding cells are the same ones that are willing to stone this woman. They are lawless and do not respect any type of rights. They only recognize Sharia Law which is no law at all, it is the interpretation of the writings of Quran. So in actuality it is man’s law. Interpreted by whomever is in power to their benefit.

    Based on what they are willing to do and how they were captured I have a hard time feeling sorry for them. During WWII they would have been shot on site because they were not wearing uniforms of a specific country. Seems to me our grandfathers knew how to handle things better than we do.

  5. Bryon,

    Wow and what the hell were the goddamn crusades fought for? Positioning and wealth. Screw religion it is all a means to an end, the ultimate Power to decide. The US is as guilty or more so. At least with “THEM” we know that we should watch THEM.

    The Rule of Law(s), The Goddamn Constitution, nor any treaty that we have signed an agreed to be bound to matters to those in power in the US. It started long before Bush, Geo the II. Wilson was harangued for wanting to maintain Neutrality, it was not until a merchant marine ship was torpedoed by Germany did we “Officially” get involved. There were plenty of merchant ships doing gun running aided by the US Navy and Coast Guard, providing cover for the “Private” Merchant Marine.

  6. Damn! This woman is a genius. She committed adultery all by herself. Amazing. Where is Jesus when you need him?

  7. Byron, you are ignorant about the prisoners that the U.S. is holding at Guantanamo. The vast majority are known to be innocent, so you don’t know what they are “willing to do.” You also don’t know “how they were captured”: many of them were handed over for ransom. It is you, not they, who do not respect any type of rights.

  8. hENRY:

    I would be most interested in your sources.
    It is my understanding that many that have been released have ended up back on the battlefield.

    Saudi Arabia supposedly has some sort of program to deprogram them that has a fairly high rate of recidivism.

    Sharia Law, from the little I know about it, does not respect individual rights unless you are morally pure, heterosexual, a tea drinker and don’t charge interest on lent money. Seems pretty strict to me and they also don’t seem to care much for women and are allowed to have slaves.

    Seems to me they don’t much care about individual rights. But I suppose it just matters what your idea of individual rights is.

  9. Henry,

    Bush and now Obama have stated that these folks will never be freed, even if they are found innocent or are never charged.

  10. Soraya M.’s husband, Ghorban-Ali, couldn’t afford to marry another woman. Rather than returning Soraya’s dowry, as custom required before taking a second wife, he plotted with four friends and a counterfeit mullah to dispose of her. Together, they accused Soraya of adultery. Her only crime was cooking for a friend’s widowed husband. Exhausted by a lifetime of abuse and hardship, Soraya said nothing, and the makeshift tribunal took her silence as a confession of guilt. They sentenced her to death by stoning: a punishment prohibited by Islam but widely practiced.
    http://www.arcadepub.com/book/?GCOI=55970100913860

  11. Henry:

    thanks for the links, I did a little looking on my own and tend to believe what you say about how many return to battle. the numbers are all over the place from 5% to 25% so it is certainly not the majority. If that is the case then they should be formerly tried and either exonerated and returned home with lost wages or sent to a long prison term.

  12. Byron, I appreciate your open-mindedness, and wish that Obama were as fair-minded as you are. I recommend Glenn Greenwald at salon.com for the news that the mainstream media ignores about Obama’s continuation of Bush’s policies.

  13. Pity the world if these heartless bastards get the bomb — nobody will be safe. Pity this woman and her two children, whose grief even now must be inexpressible. I wonder if the general population of Iran is even aware of this case; the authorities don’t dare carry out such a death sentence in public. Her worthless husband should be buried up to his waist and stoned right beside her, if not in her place.

  14. This is what Obama is so in love with. Sharia Law also states that if they can get OUT of the hole they wll be spared. That’s why men r only buried to their waist and women are buried to their necks. Read The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam by Robert Spencer. Now remember all you racists….Islam is a peaceful religion.

  15. “Sharia Law also states that if they can get OUT of the hole they wll be spared. That’s why men r only buried to their waist and women are buried to their necks. ”

    OMG…is this true? misogynistic pricks (if it is….)…. gives real men a bad name. I’m surprised such a blatant show of cowardice would be accepted…

  16. W/C,

    Are there real men in the Arabic World? Or all of them misogynists? That is the real question……

  17. “Me and my brother against my cousin; me and my cousin against the other.” is an Arab notion that tribal loyalty works in levels.

    see, it is really simple, when foreign entities like the united states, england or france (with the united states being the most active today) meddle in the affairs of other countries for financial interests under the cover of “freeing the people” and “stopping oppression” or whatever stupid claim they make, the people will start supporting their oppressive governments and will stop making internal improvements. a lot of people would prefer the oppression of their governments than the oppression of foreign governments that is stealing their money or using them for military basis or whatever else..

    so psychologically, people will turn the blind eye to this sort of stupidity until the right time if it ever comes…

    so now, because they support their government they get classified as religious fanatics or stupid or controlled etc… when the populous is simply saying: I don’t want you (foreing entity) in my country and I can do whatever I want!

    off course the colonizers like to pretend that they are there to free up people when in reality they are only there for financial benefits because 1. they almost always take the democratically elected person down and replace him by a thug who will keep the people in worse conditions that they once were… but this happen when and only when the country provide some benefits to them…

    colored people are not stupid, the fact that non colored people believe that they know what is better for everyone else is the danger here

    so until the united states stops its unnecessary meddling in the middle east and iran to protect its interests people are not going to be standing up against stoning, stupid laws against hair cuts, cutting people arms or whatever else…

    and if you truly believe that people of those nations are incapable of changing those trends on their own, then you are lying to yourself and history is there to contradict you…

  18. I agree with ruba on this issue. Neither the United States nor any other country can “liberate” Iran (or Iraq or Afghanistan)from a medieval legal system that thrives on fear and ignorance. I view the gradual decline of sharia law to be inevitable, but it will have to come in its own time. Nationalism will always trump imperialism, whether real or perceived. The Iranian people are perfectly capable of finding their own way forward. Having said that, I also believe that if free speech is to have any meaning, we must resist the growing effort to immunize religious beliefs from criticism, even mockery.

  19. I would be very bored if mockery were outlawed.

    Nah! Who am I kidding?

    I’d be an outlaw.

  20. ruba:

    “and if you truly believe that people of those nations are incapable of changing those trends on their own, then you are lying to yourself and history is there to contradict you…”

    No, Islam has been around since the 700’s and they are still in the dark ages. It has nothing to do with the US but with Islam itself. Lest you forget we were savagely attacked and responded with greater force and had a moral right to do so. If you don’t want your ass kicked you don’t mess with the 300 lb martial arts expert.

    The tenets of Islam are at base totalitarian and illiberal (which can be said of other fundamentalist religious orders). There will be no change until more liberal Muslims step forward and chastise those who use Islam for their own power and control.

  21. After we steal all of the oil and other things from Iran, how about we take time and look i our Gulf.

    AP IMPACT: Gulf awash in 27,000 abandoned wells

    The AP investigation uncovered particular concern with 3,500 of the neglected wells — those characterized in federal government records as “temporarily abandoned.”

    Regulations for temporarily abandoned wells require oil companies to present plans to reuse or permanently plug such wells within a year, but the AP found that the rule is routinely circumvented, and that more than 1,000 wells have lingered in that unfinished condition for more than a decade. About three-quarters of temporarily abandoned wells have been left in that status for more than a year, and many since the 1950s and 1960s — even though sealing procedures for temporary abandonment are not as stringent as those for permanent closures.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100707/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill_abandoned_wells

  22. Byron,

    I am assuming you are a very young person and are still in the process of learning and acquiring knowledge?
    please spare me the remedial arguments..

  23. Ruba:

    I was responding in kind to your knee jerk reactionary, America bad third world dictators good argument.

    But good way to avoid answering, typical BS when you don’t know how to answer a simple statement. You must be a liberal arts college professor trained in the 60’s on radical pablum.

    I hope I am always in the process of acquiring knowledge and learning even if I make it to 95. I have met many like you in that the last book they read was in their senior year in college and it was probably by some follower of Marx or Fourier.

  24. Byron–

    You said:
    The people we have in holding cells are the same ones that are willing to stone this woman. They are lawless and do not respect any type of rights. They only recognize Sharia Law which is no law at all, it is the interpretation of the writings of Quran. So in actuality it is man’s law. Interpreted by whomever is in power to their benefit.

    Based on what they are willing to do and how they were captured I have a hard time feeling sorry for them. During WWII they would have been shot on site because they were not wearing uniforms of a specific country. Seems to me our grandfathers knew how to handle things better than we do.

    **********

    Some people that we have held captive have been guilty–some have not. Some of our captives were handed over to us for money. We also abducted people through a program called extraordinary rendition. These people who were kidnapped were brought to “black sites” in other countries where they were tortured. Some of those who were abducted and tortured were also innocent victims. In fact, one of the innocent victims was a Canadian citizen who was abducted from an airport in the US.

    One book that I would recommend to you is Jane Mayer’s “The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How the War on Terror Turned into a War on American Ideals.”

  25. Elaine M. — just a technical point, but I believe that extraordinary rendition refers to sending people to other countries that we know will probably torture them. It does not refer to how we get custody of them (kidnapping or otherwise) in the first place.

  26. Henry–

    Right. I stand corrected. I didn’t word my comment properly. People are abducted and then–through extraordinary rendition–taken to “black sites”–where many have been tortured.

  27. Elaine:

    Henry pointed out to me that I may be wrong on my thoughts and he seems to be correct based on what I can find on the web. It appears that at most about 25% are bad actors who should remain incarcerated.

    The passing of the Patriot Act logically lead to Jane Mayer’s conclusion. But then what we ended up with is the logical conclusion of compassionate conservatism as practiced by George Bush and his gang. They spout the same self sacrifice and nationalism that many totalitarian collectivists do.

  28. What does this have to do with the U.S.?? This woman is going to be tortured to death! Her eyes will be shredded, her teeth will be knocked out, her nose will be broken. It is almost too painful to imagine what she will experience. Why aren’t moderate Muslims around the world taking to the streets and protesting this? They find the time to protest cartoons of Mohammad, but not this??

  29. equalizer–

    You make an excellent point.

    Oftentimes at the Turley Blawg, we get into discussions on different topics that may not speak specifically to the subject of a particular post. I find it interesting to see where some discussions lead us. One can always steer the conversation back to the original subject.

  30. Speaking of original subjects . . .

    UPDATE:

    “The Iranian Embassy in London on Thursday denied reports by media and human rights groups that a convicted adulterer would face death by stoning for her crime.

    The execution of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, 43, who has already spent five years in prison and received 99 lashes for alleged adultery, would “disgust and appall the watching world,” the British Government declared, according to a report Thursday in U.K. newspaper The Times.

    Later Thursday, the Iranian Embassy took issue with those comments, releasing its own statement that ‘according to information from the relevant judicial authorities in Iran, she will not be executed by stoning punishment.’ It was uncertain if Ashtiani would face death by another means.”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38140909/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

    Sounds like someone in I’madinnerjacket’s office understands barbarism can be bad PR.

  31. byron, I clearly stated that I do not wish to go into remedial arguments, i.e. I don’t wish to go into epxlaining basic concepts in regard to religion, culture and who did what first… 911 did not happen before a whole host of other things took place (please understand I am not justifying it, I am saying that is how it was justified by someone or some people)… I realize I can be patient and go ahead explain it and provide references and links, but honestly I am too old for this and I only check this blog for 15 minutes and I don’t wish to spend too much more time on it… so I will leave it at, well pretty much ignoring it…

    for the people who keep on wondering why moderate muslims are not doing anything… well look at what happened in egypt during the arab nationalist movement (i.e. moderate secular movement)… secondly, moderate or not, when the country is in turmoil, constantly at war or in a region that is kept unstable, the country is under sanctions, can’t trade with one country or another due to alliances, unemployment rate is high etc… priorities shift… food, shelter, school become the number one priority… rocking the boat to fix the country at the price of your life or your family’s life is not exactly your highest priority…

    additionally, ask yourself how did the current government in iran come about in the first place! did it not come as a result of the united states and england backing up the shah in order to control the oil in the country? do you think the reign of the “moderate” shah was much better back then? that is why the people supported the muslim hardliners in overthrowing the shah… now, well, they know they don’t want another shah, so they will turn the blind eye on what the gov. does..

    you guys make it sound as if there are no dissidents anywhere in the world and that no one is doing anything about the local governments or challenging religion and laws… but you wouldn’t know anyway, otherwise why would you ask ‘what does the united state has to do with it’…

    it is very easy to judge when you are few thousand miles away enjoying the luxuries of a rich country where you can wahtever you please fairly safely…

  32. Ruba:

    did you ever bother to ask yourself why the United States is a rich country? Africa has far more raw materials than we do and they are a basket case. Likewise most of the Islamic countries.

    There is no hope in Islamic countries because they are totalitarian and they are totalitarian because of their religion. It actually is quite simple. The issues you mention are only symptoms of the disease of totalitarianism/collectivism.

    But go ahead and think it is someone else’s fault if that makes you feel better about yourself and your genetic heritage.

  33. Byron,

    In all fairness, a large part of Africa’s basket case status comes from the penchant for colonialists to draw arbitrary map lines regardless of the indigenous culture(s).

    And totalitarianism and collectivism are not the same thing. That’s a false equivalency.

    totalitarianism\tō-ˌta-lə-ˈter-ē-ə-ˌni-zəm\, n.,
    1 : centralized control by an autocratic authority
    2 : the political concept that the citizen should be totally subject to an absolute state authority

    collectivism \kə-ˈlek-ti-ˌvi-zəm\, n.,
    1 : a political or economic theory advocating collective control especially over production and distribution; also : a system marked by such control
    2 : emphasis on collective rather than individual action or identity

  34. Byron:

    “did you ever bother to ask yourself why the United States is a rich country?”

    *************

    I did. The answer is most cogently answered in this fine book of political economy: The Principles of Political Economy and Taxation by David Ricardo. It boils down to two underpinning factors — Industriousness and desire for individual advantage — which both serve as the foundation for wealth.

    By the way, Thos. Malthus has some insight into the issue as well:

    The main peculiarity which distinguishes man from other animals is the means of his support-the power which he possesses of very greatly increasing these means.

    ~Thomas Malthus

  35. Buddha:

    Part of the problem with Africa is tribal lands but more of the problem is individuals like Robert Mugabe who are indeed totalitarian collectivists.

  36. Buddh & Byron:

    Freedom is a necessary but insufficient factor for wealth. Roman was quite totalitarian in the Empire stage as was Ancient Egypt. Both civilizations were fabulously wealthy as well

  37. Mespo:

    why call it individual advantage? why not call it ambition? I haven’t read the book but it sounds critical of the concept of free markets.

  38. Mespo:

    I disagree, freedom is the only necessary factor for wealth creation. Rome and Egypt gained wealth through slavery and military conquest.

  39. Byron,

    A false equivalence is not just an error in definition (a general quantification error), but the way you’ve stated your assertion is also a quantification error of proof by example. Logically, “Mugabe is a bad leader. Mugabe is a totalitarian collectivist. There for all bad leaders are totalitarian collectivists” is the same faulty argument as “This apple is red therefore all apples are red.” mespo’s example shows your fallacy in this regard as well.

    You’re also committing a regression fallacy in re attempting to correlate a term you don’t like because it limits business transactions – collectivism – as a base cause for why Mugabe is a bad leader. That’s pure spin. You cannot change the meanings of words, Byron. Totalitarianism isn’t the same thing as collectivism no matter how you want to twist the phrasing. Even if Mugabe is a collectivist – which he demonstrably isn’t, he’s simply a totalitarian, a thug and a thief – you are committing the error of retrospective determinism (a form of outcome determinism) thereby compounding your errors.

    A lie in terms compounded by logical errors is still a lie even if you are only lying to yourself, but if you expect me to let you float spinning crap like that unchallenged, you must have a short memory.

  40. Byron:

    Ricardo is the father of free trade and political economy refining Smith’s concepts of absolute advantage with his more sophisticated idea of comparative advantage.

    Rome and Egypt certainly became wealthy through right of conquest along with industriousness and the desire for individual advantage, but wealth is wealth. There are examples of relatively free people being saddled with destitute economies.

  41. Buddha:

    how is Mugabe not a collectivist? He has taken land from private use and given it to others, he directs the economy and he controls the means of production.

    totalitarianism\tō-ˌta-lə-ˈter-ē-ə-ˌni-zəm\, n.,
    1 : centralized control by an autocratic authority
    2 : the political concept that the citizen should be totally subject to an absolute state authority

    collectivism \kə-ˈlek-ti-ˌvi-zəm\, n.,
    1 : a political or economic theory advocating collective control especially over production and distribution; also : a system marked by such control
    2 : emphasis on collective rather than individual action or identity

    When talking about the collective on the level of a country you cannot control production and distribution except with autocratic authority. And if you control production and distribution you are subjecting citizens to state authority. Which I might also point out is enforced by threat of jail or fines or both. So how do have a collective on the level of a country without trampling individual rights?

  42. Mespo:

    “There are examples of relatively free people being saddled with destitute economies.”

    Can you name a few? I would like to see what type of economic system they have/had.

  43. Byron,

    He’s not a collectivist because he doesn’t hold items in public trust for the use of the people in general he simply takes and gives to his cronies, which makes him a simple thief.

  44. Mespo:

    I found the book you mentioned on line, seems like a man after my own heart at least on trade:

    “Under a system of perfectly free commerce, each country naturally devotes its capital and labour to such employments as are most beneficial to each. This pursuit of individual advantage is admirably connected with the universal good of the whole. By stimulating industry, by regarding ingenuity, and by using most efficaciously the peculiar powers bestowed by nature, it distributes labour most effectively and most economically: while, by increasing the general mass of productions, it diffuses general benefit, and binds together by one common tie of interest and intercourse, the universal society of nations throughout the civilized world. It is this principle which determines that wine shall be made in France and Portugal, that corn shall be grown in America and Poland, and that hardware and other goods shall be manufactured in England.”

    Thanks for the reference.

    By the way have you read any of Frederic Bastiat? I just bought 2 volumes of his writings and a small pamphlet called The Law which is quite good.

  45. Byron,

    “So how do have a collective on the level of a country without trampling individual rights?”

    Simply you can’t. But that’s the price for socialism: the individual’s desire for unlimited profits cannot be placed before the common good. There are only certain segments of the economy that merit socialization. The bulk of the economy can be left to free market mechanisms. But the energy sector have proven greedily incompetent AND war mongers so that rules them out of the free market. Same goes for greedy incompetence in health care and the pharmaceutical industries. Insurance too. But the rest of the markets would flourish if the excessive abuses of those three sectors were eliminated by being run as not for profit public trusts instead of for profit private enterprises that are essentially destroying the whole system.

    You’ll notice I left out banking. Banking doesn’t need to be socialized. It needs to be regulated and provisions added to ensure bad acting companies have their CEO’s and Boards sent to real serious you don’t want to be there prison instead of bailed out at the public’s expense and given bonuses. Steal with a pen or steal with a gun, stealing is stealing.

    Again, different tools for different jobs.

  46. Byron said:

    “I hope I am always in the process of acquiring knowledge and learning even if I make it to 95. I have met many like you in that the last book they read was in their senior year in college and it was probably by some follower of Marx or Fourier.”

    What have you got against Fourier?

    Buddha,

    I totally agree – the conversation shouldn’t be about Free Market vs. Socialism (or anything else) in the abstract. We’ve already got some socialist programs and some free markets and we’re not going to eliminate either one entirely – the question is what system does each sector of the economy function better on. If health care, insurance, and energy* were all run for the public trust and other industries were left to the free market (no government subsidies) with appropriate regulation we’d be a lot better off.

    * If healthcare and insurance were public then I think that a private pharma industry would be fine. The free market tends to favor innovation, so as long as the incentives which direct that innovation are appropriate and the public system isn’t capable of being gamed the way the private system currently is I think that a private pharma industry would work better.

  47. Slarti,

    Good to see you back in form, old bean. I agree in the large part. My only issue with your statement is vis a vis pharma. I think that could work but only of we incentivized cures over treatments. Even Chris Rock jokes about the money’s in the medicine, not the cure. But that should be the only incentive they get. You cure a cancer? You get a 60% tax break for 10 years or something along those lines. And they should have to accept pricing/profit restrictions. We as Americans shoulder a ridiculous part of their R&D costs because the government (unlike every other government) won’t make Pharma bargain. I’m not saying they can’t recoup their R&D, but if making them take a price fix to ensure everyone who needs a med can afford it and the only thing that impacts them is they recoup over 25 years instead of 5? It doesn’t take a genius to realize that’s the humane, as opposed to greedy, thing to do.

  48. Slarti:

    “François Marie Charles Fourier (7 April 1772 – 10 October 1837) was a French utopian socialist and philosopher.”

    “Fourier series were introduced by Joseph Fourier (1768–1830) for the purpose of solving the heat equation in a metal plate.”

    2 different guys and 2 different theories.

  49. Buddha,

    Thanks. I’m still trying to get up to speed after the move. Throw in an internet outage and a new computer last week and I’ve got a long way to go…

    As far as pharma goes, given the enormous amounts of money required for drug trials, I think that the private paradigm works better as long as the public health care system is setting the prices (which I agree should incentivize cures over treatments, but realize that cures are often not possible and treatments can save many lives (HIV, cancer)). I never expect the private sector to do the humane thing unless they are required to do so but I think that their penchant for doing the profitable thing renders their behavior easy to predict (and makes it possible to use taxes and regulations to get them to do the humane thing).

    Byron,

    Okay then. For a second there I thought that we were going to have to throw down! ;-) Ol’ Joe and his transform helped me with my thesis – I don’t know this Frank guy with a girl’s middle name…

  50. Anonymously Yours 1, July 7, 2010 at 8:34 am

    W/C,

    Are there real men in the Arabic World? Or all of them misogynists? That is the real question……

    Of course there are! And I suspect they are not so rare as so rarely outspoken in that Country…

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