“Cease and Desist, Brother Twede”: Mormon Blogger Says Church Officials Threatened Excommunication Over Criticism of Romney and the Church

I am still in Utah for a speech and I have spoken to many people here about the current presidential campaign. Many locals here have expressed dismay over the missteps of the Romney campaign. However, David Twede, 47, a scientist and managing editor of the online magazine MormonThink.com, says that his criticism of Mitt Romney has led to his being called to account — and possible excommunication — from the Church of Latter Day Saints. The fifth-generation Mormon says that Church elders demanded names of other Mormons with which he was working on the site. He says he was told “Cease and desist, Brother Twede.” The controversy has now been reported on the Washington Post, Huffington Post and a number of other sites – though primarily as a political story. From a legal standpoint, the case raises a classic conflict between free speech and free exercise that we have discussed in other areas.


I could not find any response to the allegation from the Church on the underlying factual allegations.

MormonThink.com is a site where Mormons engage in scholarly debate about the religion’s history and politics. Twede says that his bishop, “stake president” and two leading members called him to a meeting in a Florida Mormon church. He says that he was informed that he faced charges of “apostasy” for the writings on his blog. He says that he was fingered by a member of the Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research, which includes many professors for Brigham Young University, over his blog. This case is being championed by Steve Benson, the Pulitzer Prize–winning cartoonist for The Arizona Republic and grandson of former secretary of agriculture and Mormon prophet Ezra Taft Benson. Benson left the Church in 1993 and has become a critic of the LDS.

Twede wrote an article about Romney last month titled “The God of Mitt Romney: Why Do Some Claim He’s Not Christian?” The leaders allegedly told him that they did not like to see a discussion of the church or its connection with Romney.

I have always found the LDS community to be very open to dialogue and discussion on controversial issues, including some of the recent stories related to Romney. After all, the Church has not excommunicated Harry Reid. Accordingly, I am a bit surprised by the allegations which raise very troubling questions, including the alleged role of academics at BYU who should be supportive of free speech values. While BYU is closely tied to the Church, it is viewed as the Notre Dame of the LDS — a university founded on church principles but committed to the academic enterprise. If this account is true, the intolerance of dissenting voices will only serve to marginalize the Church and its members. However, this may be an irreconcilable conflict between religious doctrine and free speech.

We have written repeatedly over the dangers of private censorship by companies and universities. Government censorship and harassment is largely deterred by the First Amendment, but the Bill of Rights does not protect people from private forms of retaliation. Yet, religious organizations are present a different question from other institutions in protecting their religious values. I have previously written how I believe free exercise rights and antidiscrimination laws are increasingly in conflict. I view the religious values as trumping such laws in many cases.

Clearly the Church as a right to enforce its religious edicts and values on all of its members. The LDS expects its members to adhere to standards of conduct in their private life and has long incorporated church members into a highly structured church organization that extend from Salt Lake City down to individual neighborhoods. That is part of its tradition and has a high degree of secrecy surrounding its rituals. Thus, LDS officials could argue that this type of feedback and corrective action is part of the Church’s tradition and faith structure. Accordingly, they could argue that, if Twede wishes to remain a Mormon, he must accept the guidance and directions of the Church. Most religious organizations have inviolate values that are the basis for good standing in the Church. It often raises difficult questions since free exercise protects the right of churches to maintain their core traditions and values. Churches are by definition bond in religious dogma and traditions. They are not generally debating clubs on core principles or practices — though some churches are more tolerant of such discussions than others. Individuals have the right to continue to speak but may have to leave such organizations if their views are inherently inconsistent with membership in the Church. While I find such threats to be intolerant and problematic from a free speech standpoint, I am not a member of the LDS and I am not sure of the extent to which LDS members pledge obedience to the church leadership on such questions. Catholic church and other churches have a history of taking measures against those who fail to adhere to church doctrine, including academics in some cases. What is intolerance to some is merely faith-based discipline to others. It is also not clear the extent to which the intervention was over the degree of discussion of internal Church matters that are viewed as inappropriate for public discussion. In my view, the greatest concern is the degree to which the action was taken as a response to the criticism of Romney which seems removed from any direct church doctrine or value. In the end, however, the church determines who may remain a member of good standing. I would hope however that one could remain a member of good standing as a Mormon and still be a critic of Romney.

What do you think?

Source: Daily Beast

70 thoughts on ““Cease and Desist, Brother Twede”: Mormon Blogger Says Church Officials Threatened Excommunication Over Criticism of Romney and the Church

  1. So, I guess the church is not in favor of Romney become President because they had to know that telling an academic and a journalist to shut up was going to come back and bite Romney in the backside. I think they did everyone a disservice by their attempt to control this. It will be turned on Romney and I think that’s a shame, even if I’m not voting for him.

  2. This soes not reflect well on the LDS church. One would think a church in general would want to stay out of anything that could be considered political campaigning and suffer the possible loss of their tax exempt status.

    On a personal note, I don’t understand why people would voluntarily allow themselves to be subjected to an additional layer of bureaucracy and governance in their lives.

    I consider myself to be a Christian but I parted ways with the United Methodist Church because I got tired of some of the politics and internal issues that were resident in our congregation. I noted the best time to be at church was when nobody else was there and I could wander around reading books and have time for quiet reflection. It was a peaceful place for me. But, after one too many incidents such as when a minister I thought very highly of was forced out for being critical of the status quo, I decided to just stop going.

    Better to have it in your heart than submitting to arbitrary constructs of peoples’ opinions.

  3. However, David Twede, 47, a scientist and managing editor of the online magazine MormonThink.com, says that his criticism of Mitt Romney has led to his being called to account — and possible excommunication — from the Church of Latter Day Saints. The fifth-generation Mormon says that Church elders demanded names of other Mormons with which he was working on the site. He says he was told “Cease and desist, Brother Twede.” The case raises a classic conflict between free speech and free exercise that we have discussed in other areas.
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    The Morman Missionaries offered me the Book more than once. I wouldn’t take it. I wouldn’t take it from the other religions either.

  4. So, how exactly is it that Romney represents “Mormon values”? My friend was accosted in a church parking lot because he said he wouldn’t vote for Bush. Other pastors tell parishioners they are damned if they won’t vote Obama.

    A church has a right to lay out its doctrine. It has a right to tell parishioners who to vote for. They also have the right to suppress dissent. That’s part of having a doctrine, in this case–you must obey your leaders’ orders to be silent and vote whom they tell you to vote for. Because of that alone, I would leave any church which claims this right.

    It’s gutsy to make this BS public. But the Mormon church does say members must obey the elders. If the church does not allow discussion of their doctrine or dissent from it, then one ultimately needs to leave that church. They are asking for the suppression of one’s conscience. No one should willingly go along with that.

  5. This is very disturbing in some ways that don’t really relate to the free speech issue as much as they relate to the issue of “what is politics in our culture right now?” We are now very much a political structure that, without shame or apology, makes it punishable to THINK wrong, SAY wrong things, BE wrong, etc. I mean, what is the meaning of naming a law the “Patriot Act”? Is a public official who opposes it “unpatriotic”? Look how the word “liberal” has been cast to mean “unAmerican” or “untrustworthy.” I remember a late night talk show host asking a guest to respond to the “charge” that he had been called “the most liberal member of Congress.” He denied it as if it were an allegation of sexual misconduct!

    We’re turning a blind eye toward this kind of thinking in our own halls of government; how are we surprised at them in the halls of a church?

  6. We should add an additional political party to the mix: “Ladder” Day Saint Party, for those interesting in having the brethren run this country. Goodbye free speech, goodbye freedom, hello correlated brains and permanent smiles. Hello censored media and radio.

  7. “I would hope however that one could remain a member of good standing as a Mormon and still be a critic of Romney.”

    I think it’d be difficult to find a more prominent and vocal critic of Romney than Harry Ried. AFAIK, he remains a member in good standing with the LDS. Of course, perhaps he’s protected from this sort of response by his prominence. Or, perhaps this is just some local LDS officials acting on their own rather. Or, maybe there’s more to the story and the repercussions faced by this guy are not based on criticism of Romney. I’d want to know more before wholesale condemnation of the LDS.

  8. Before I went to college, I was a member of the IBEW (International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers). Don’t drive a non-American made car into the parking lot. It might get turned over.

  9. (Wasn’t it Kerry that the Catholic church threatened with excommunication because of his pro choice stance?) This effort by Churches is nothing new and continues to beg the question of tax free status as long as they want to interject themselves into the political arena. (And is this because they talk about another member or because specifically he is running for pres?)

  10. Waldo, Harry Reid was “home teacher” to Mormon friends of mine. A home teacher is someone who comes to the home of the teachees and goes over religious issues with them. Any member of the Mormon Stake or Ward (I can’t remember which is which) who is assigned to any family does this; he was home teacher for folks who lived in his geographical area, so no particular political or socioeconomic similarities needed to exist before the match-up was made.

    Reid always spoke up well and firmly about his politics and thus I think it was both impossible and quite obviously counter-productive for anyone in the Church to try to influence his POLITICS based on any religious positions. By his obvious imperviousness to such attempts, in my opinion, he signalled the fact that it should not happen and, as far as I know (not being a Mormon, I can’t state this definitively, of course) it did not happen.

    It would surprise me if any less public, less “immune” individuals who were members of the Mormon Church were similarly insulated from pressure. It is a religion that does not refrain from adopting an autocratic position with rank and file members. I believe you can be kicked out of it, too — at least judging from the fact that you can be inducted INTO it post-mortem even without any indication that you would have accepted conversion, were you still alive.

  11. Malisha,

    I think the thought police began early on in religion. Things has expanded out from there. Many people were brought up with the idea that questioning authority is wrong. People are taught to obey without thought. This religiosity (which takes place in mega and liberal places of worship) has undergirded what is now happening in politics.

    I believe that political parties are somewhat (maybe for some people wholly) taking over prior functions of religion. It’s why candidates use religion so often in their self marketing. It is why people cannot see things clearly and refuse to question even the most heinous crimes by their “leader”.

    Unquestioning obedience to authority runs deep in most of our society’s institutions. We see its results as our society crumbles before us.

  12. Two ladies; Malisha and Jill, left me no words to add.
    Always opening up new vistas are you Malisha. And I don’t think Jill mentioned Obama a single time.

    Sincerely, my compliments.

  13. Twede isn’t under fire from the Church for criticizing Romney. There are plenty of Mormon Democrats who do the same. A large number of them just met in Washington for the DNC convention; the Daily Beast itself reported on it! (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/04/mormons-for-obama-lds-democrats-caucus-convenes-convention-event.html)

    Twede is under fire for posing as an active Church member, when his agenda is to tear down the faith. Whether you agree with his agenda or not is irrelevant; he’s dishonest in how he goes about it: http://en.fairmormon.org/Criticism_of_Mormonism/Websites/MormonThink

  14. “He says that he was informed that he faced charges of “apostasy” for the writings on his blog. He says that he was fingered by a member of the Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research, which includes many professors for Brigham Young University, over his blog.”

    ***********************

    Could we expect anything more form this cult?

    History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes
    ~Thomas Jefferson, Letter to von Humboldt (1813).

    Pretty clairvoyant guy, that farmer from Albemarle County.

  15. The Mormon Church is not a “religion”, no matter how vigorously they contend that they are. In order to gain more widespread acceptance by mainstream America they have dropped some of their most objectionable doctrine (i.e. polygamy) but the extent to which they intrude upon and regulate every aspect of their member’s lives is too extreme for them to be viewed as anything but a cult. As such, I expect that they will do anything to get Romney elected,expecting (rightly or not) that his obedience to the “faith” will supersede his allegiance to the law, including the Constitution of the United States.

  16. Words you just don’t hear anymore: “Accordingly, three years later, in West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, the Supreme Court upheld the right of Jehovah’s Witness schoolchildren to refuse to salute the American flag or recite the Pledge of Allegiance, because their religious beliefs forbade them to make pledges to symbols – even when the symbol is a treasured national symbol.

    Justice Robert Jackson’s groundbreaking opinion made this point as eloquently as it has ever been made:

    The case is made difficult not because the principles of its decision are obscure but because the flag involved is our own. Nevertheless, we apply the limitations of the Constitution with no fear that freedom to be intellectually and spiritually diverse or even contrary will disintegrate the social organization. To believe that patriotism will not flourish if patriotic ceremonies are voluntary and spontaneous instead of a compulsory routine is to make an unflattering estimate of the appeal of our institutions to free minds. We can have intellectual individualism and the rich cultural diversities that we owe to exceptional minds only at the price of occasional eccentricity and abnormal attitudes. When they are so harmless to others or to the State as those we deal with here, the price is not too great. But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order. If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us.”

  17. Jill

    Certainly the VA court ruling you presented should put an end to the attempts by religious organizations to reinstate school prayer, shouldn’t it?

  18. The prayer they used to recite in school began:

    “Our father…”

    It was a translation of the Roman Catholic “Pater Noster,” I believe.

    It was essentially a restatement of the faith of the patriarchal society. Although that obviously could apply as easily to GOVT as to RELIGION, it was presented as religious, and therefore identified as religious, and per se domineering (root word = domin, LottaK, right?) and thus, harmful and damaging to educational pursuits.

  19. rcampbell,

    I thought about the same thing. It seems like it should. However, I heard a discussion about the S.C. deliberately ignoring precedent, in fact, blowing past it, to create “laws” based on what they call “originalism”. This seems to have been a successful strategy.

    Honestly, I don’t recognize our Constitution in the actions of any branch of the govt. at this time. A few lower court justices go to the mat only to be overturned in a heartbeat.

    It was just so interesting to hear such a plain spoken defense of the Constitution. The fact that it sounds foreign to me now, worries me a lot.

  20. This is not a law class, but I can ask.
    Does each decision stand as ruling precedent unless appealed and overturned by jhigher instance or the Supremes?
    If so, can contrary rulings be created in co-equal
    federal circuit courts? And if the date of ruling is decisive, how is that handled in on-going trials?

    Is the first ruling support only but not compelling?

  21. I grew up in southern Utah (Moab). My personal observation is that as a whole Mormons are no different than anyone else. It should be noted though that Utah usually ranks toward the top among use of female use of anti depressant drugs. Many attribute this to the demands placed on women by the male-dominated church.

    The church, especially the leadership, is a whole different. They ran the town we lived in and exacted money from the city as well as their members. They were as much a business as a church. The church controlled everything from the main newspaper, television station, radio stations, largest dairy, and department store (ZCMI). A note of information, any entity with the word ‘Deseret’ in its name belongs to the Mormon Church.

    As in many religions, those who aspire to power are the very ones who should never have power. Those running the church have in the past been willing to condone segregation, polygamy (still prevalent), sexual abuse in Boy Scout troops, and have done their best to stifle any dissent of church doctrine. This election is the chance of a lifetime for them and they have shown the willingness to do everything in their power to get a Mormon in the White House.

    The actions of the church aren’t surprising; I’m pretty sure they have done much worse and gotten away with it. In a state where 90% of elected officials are Mormon it’s difficult to see how leaders in the church would face prosecution.

  22. Get with it People, Mormonism, like all the other Religions cares about nothing……… but control of your minds, and your bodies, and having access to your hard earned money….. And they all do the same thing, they use fear to achieve their objectives………..

  23. Oh, I found that one can not use the itchBay word here.

    I agree with Zarathustra.

    Roma, Romani, Ramanich, Romney… this equals GYPSIE!

    Why dont you chumps look at the forehead and understand this?

    The mormon thing was a Way to hide the gypsie thing.

  24. Roma, Romani, Romney, boma bo bamni,
    Romney….

    It the guy is a gypsie, the letters proclaim,
    you drop the one and say the name..

    Like Mitt, MItt ff in f so bitt or
    Willard, Willard, f so Willard,

    Gypsie!

  25. When a judges make statements that cannot be reconciled with healthy judicial temperment and reasoning, they should be subject to the president and congress for an immediate evaluation. Judges have too much power and too much immunity. The idea that they must be independent, fearless to make controversial decisions at all costs, practically speaking, has created a dictatorial monster wielding power outside the parameters of common sense and ethical behavior.

  26. Checks and balances has been suggested, more intensive ones that is to say. Do we get a gang war or better justice? Who has the right and on what grounds can a judge be impeached.? I would not trust either Congress or the Prez.

  27. Rafflaw, they are not ordained. ALL Mormon bishops are lay bishops. I don’t know if they have ordination of some sort or other but it’s not like you have to go through some special induction that severs civil ties or anything.

    ALL MALE MORMONS have some kind of thing where they’re “aaronic priests” and about half the youths are “elders.” It’s confusing but I don’t think it comes with any exclusionary force (as in, if you’re a bishop you can’t be this or that other kind of thing).

  28. Speaking of religion, I met a young woman on-line, who after talking about completely different matters, divulged that she had been made a deacon, ie joint leader, in her church at age 17. I assumed it was an evangelical church and did not ask.

    She said that after two years she then left the church, the town (naturally) and religion itself behind her.

    Obvious reasons. They were crooked as bandits and in no way Christian.

  29. http://www.gutenberg.org/files/2443/2443-h/2443-h.htm

    Project Gutenberg’s The Story of the Mormons, by William Alexander Linn

    This eBook is for the use of anyone anywhere at no cost and with
    almost no restrictions whatsoever. You may copy it, give it away or
    re-use it under the terms of the Project Gutenberg License included
    with this eBook or online at http://www.gutenberg.org

    This link was posted earlier on this site, I thank the original poster for it. It was published in 1901. The author had interviews with some that were
    familiar with many of the Mormon contemporaries. To sell snake oil and faith all you need is a huge reservoir of BS.

  30. Here’s a cross-post from the “popcorn lung” thread.
    It is dead since long ago there, but there are three major points I make—especially in regard to out chase for justice and control of our government, ie forcing it to do what it says it is doing.
    =================0

    “idealist707
    1, September 22, 2012 at 3:43 pm
    No ones reading or responding anymore.

    But I think we missed a two big points here.

    One. Some feel that this is an example of the “tort” problem taxing America’s bla bla businesses. I don’t agree.
    Two. It is an example of how we the people can be compensated for the mistreatment, etc. visited upon us by powers from which we otherwise may not expect compensation.

    Further, I would like to see the day come when we see the responsible agencies, OSHA in this case, on the defendant list.

    Again, as it will be the only way for us to effect those from whom we may not otherwise claim accountability.

    I would enjoy seeing how this could be used as a steering instrument on agencies. Bureau chiefs are easily replaced, funding likewise. Bureaus have an enormous power to oppose reform.

    CIA again is a excellent example. Even, in the CIA case, pouring billions on the problem (for ex post-9/11) does not effect ANY change.

    I will cross post this in the hope of it reaching some eyes here at Turley’s.

  31. How many gypsies are mormons. I did not say morons. Roma, Romani, Romanich, Romney. Google it. Look at his forehead. Especially look at the forehead of one of his kids. Of course they are gypsies.

  32. You ask: what do I think? Among other things, I think that there are valid reasons for the rule against hearsay. You and the other commentators simply accepted as valid–and accurate–the claims and characterizations by such authoritative sources, such as the Huffington Post. When a reporter actually interviewed him, Twede confirmed that the threatened disciplinary action has nothing to do with any comments about Romney.
    ” But, Twede told The Salt Lake Tribune on Friday, his LDS leaders never brought up Romney, a Mormon, in their exchange with him. Though not supporting the Republican standard-bearer, Twede apologized to Romney, saying, “I didn’t mean for [the story] to go this way.”” http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54944698-78/church-lds-twede-romney.html.csp (Although the Tribune is published in Salt Lake City, it has never been viewed as a newspaper that is generally supportive of the LDS church.)
    The LDS Church, also, was quick to address the political issue: “It is patently false for someone to suggest they face church discipline for having questions or for expressing a political view,” LDS Church spokesman Michael Purdy said in a statement. “The church is an advocate of individual choice. It is a core tenet of our faith.”” Id.
    Despite these clarifications, people continue to excoriate the LDS Church. It is noteworthy that except for one regional reporter no one in the media has attempted to set the record straight.

  33. As a former member of the LDS church I can answer just how strictly LDS members pledge allegiance to Church Leadership on matters of doctrinal differences with church leadership. Church members are prohibited from speaking out “in any way against church leaders”. They are also prohibited from “teaching false doctrine”. These are wide nets and its up to the church leaders to determine if an offense constitutes church action. The action of speaking out against church leaders or teaching false doctrines is considered more “grievous” than sexual transgressions (adultery being the most “heinous” ) or any other type of sin and can get you excommunicated faster than getting drunk and fornicating with the Bishops wife.

    “Church Action” means court. When a member is excommunicated a court is held at the local level (branch or stake) by local leaders, made up of a body of “High Priests” and Elders, the Stake or Branch president and his counselors. The local Bishop is usually not presiding but may be called as a witness for or against the accused. The accused is kept out of most of the “trial” and long discussions are held while the accused waits outside. Once called in the witness does have the opportunity to challenge the charges and provide testimony to refute them in some way. Usually its a done deal though once it gets this far and many members never attend their own excommunication trial.

    As for what you can and cannot say, not voting for or speaking out against a political candidate, even if that candidate is LDS would not constitute grounds for church action. And no local Bishop or Stake President is going to be able to fly such charges past the higher authorities. A member can appeal their case to the higher authorities, going from the “Regional President” all the way to the “General Authorities. The General Authorities consist of the First and Second Quorums of the 70, along with the 12 Apostles and of course the Prophet\President (currently Thomas Monson, whom I’ve met several times) and any of them can overturn a local branch decision and reinstate a member in good standing.

    So I doubt that these local leaders are coming after him over anything political dealing with Romney, at least on the surface. I’m sure they want to go after him over that, but their official charge must be tied to apostasy which consists of the two I mentioned above, either publicly countering church doctrine or publicly criticizing church leaders. That being said its possible they’re using the latter, criticizing church leaders as the basis for their charge but that would be a stretch and no doubt overturned by a General Authority since Romney isn’t currently a church leader but only served as one in the past (the church employs a lay clergy so its not unusual that Romney was a Bishop or Stake President). So its more likely there’s a doctrinal issue that this man touched upon, although I’ll have to read his blog to see what that might be. In order for them to get to this guy with a charge that sticks, they’ll need to prove he wrote something publicly that constitutes “false doctrine”. Otherwise it would be hard to prosecute such a case against him on anything higher than the local level. Especially with the case being so public. So I’m guessing something he wrote in that blog dealing with “Romney’s God” likely is going to be the focus of their charges against him. Of course I don’t doubt for a minute that the motivation behind the charges, whatever they end up being, are due to Mormons wanting Romney as president, so very very bad. After all, Joseph Smith predicted that in the “last days” the US Constitution would “Dangle by a thread” and that it would be under Mormon leadership that it would be saved and that the world would turn to. He also predicted a Mormon would be President. So you can bet that now is not a good time to be anything other than a republican in the Mormon church. At least at the local level. They want this bad. Real bad. And you can bet if you’re not a Romney voter and worse an Obama fan, that locally you’ll not be too welcome in the Ward or Stake house. Harry Reid’s in Nevada by the way and most members consider Nevada Mormons “Jack Mormons” due to the fact that the state makes its income on everything prohibited in the LDS rulebook, from gambling, to booze, to sex (Mustang ranch) to face cards (yes, face cards are evil, don’t ask me why).

    Obedience to Church Leaders is not just mandatory, its the core of the religion. In fact if you look at church history you’ll see that most of the original leaders (and “Witnesses) of the Church were excommunicated at one time or another, and all for the same thing. “Speaking out against church leaders”. Martin Harris, the man who funded the original printing of the Book of Mormon was ex’d. So was Sidney Rigdon, another financier of the church. Even Oliver Cowerdry, the actual scribe of most of the Book of Mormon and Joseph’s right hand man was excommunicated for “disagreeing with the prophet”. Sometimes it was on very small things like land purchases or how to manage some project or task, but since the prophet was the voice of God on earth then even disagreeing with him in small matters could lead to being cut off. But today it usually has to be over something doctrinal or if they can show you are publicly (basically to anyone other than yourself) “criticizing church leaders”. Being as Romney’s not currently one I’d be looking for some doctrinal issue dealing with the nature of God or something along those lines. Otherwise they’ll be hard pressed to make anything stick.

  34. he few mainstream news media outfits that have touched this phony story have questioned the veracity of the story as presented by the Daily Beast. It is a lie that any person was disciplined or threatened with discipline for political reasons.

  35. It is not surprising that the Church leaders would bristle at any critique that would strengthen the chances of our Nation’s first black president gaining re-election. Consider the following:

    It is among the church Doctrine that black people were descended from Cain (see Joseph Smith Bible Translation and The Pearl Of Great Price, Moses:7:22). Indeed, in the Second Book of Nephi 5:21, the recalcitrant elder brothers, Laman and Lemuel and their families were also cursed with a skin of “blackness.” In explaining the dark skin of native Americans, Joseph Smith championed a “theory” of Semitic de-evolution, popular in his time. Furthermore, the church was conspicuously slow in reversing their policy against blacks holding the priesthood until 1978–a full ten years after the murder of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    The Church cannot quietly discard Harry Reid as they have threatened to do with David Twede. Senator Reid, like Governor Romney, is a high-visibility church member, and though most of Reid’s “brethren” openly express their hatred of him (I have heard several “Judges in Israel” denounce him as an apostate), it would put the LDS church in a most prickly situation to excommunicate a man of Harry Reid’s stature.

    The Church has looked the other way while members persisted in the practice of polgyny, even when to do so allowed girls, not even of age at menarche to become victims of rape and incest. Yet it refuses to grant Mr. Twede the necessary latitude to answer questions from learned critics.

    This event is quite telling as to the sort of bigotry and absolutism we can expect a “President” Romney to bring to the office, should the Church manage to bludgeon into silence, Romney’s critics, like David Twede

  36. RELIGION IS A BIG HOAX, THE LARGEST, MOST WIDE SPREAD FRAUD EVER CREATED, ALL TO PRODUCE, HATE, WAR AND THE CAUSE FOR POPULATION CONTROL. THE WEAK ARE PLUNDERED FINANCIAL ON A WISH, HOPE, AND PROMISE OF EVERLASTING SALVATION, OR 72 VIRGINS, OR ANYTHING ELSE THE MORTAL PREACHERS PROMISE THEM IN EXCHANGE FOR FINANCIAL DUPING THE NAIVE OUT OF THEIR RICHES. I LAUGH AT ALL THE MILLIONS OF STUPID PEOPLE, PRAYING AND WASTING THEIR TIME, AS IN THE END ALL YOU WILL EVER BECOME IS DUST, AND A MEMORY FOR THE REMAINING LIVING. I HOPE THE RELIGIOUS FREAKS ALL KILL EACH OTHER SOONER THAN LATER,. AS THE WORLD WILL BE BETTER OFF… BTW/ IN THE END, ONLY PREPPERS AND THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH.

  37. I think we might be missing the point here…. The real question, should the unthinkable happen, and Mitt Romney gets elected President is…. How much power & control will Mitt’s church then wield over him????? And how will that then effect the people of the United states and the rest of the World?????

  38. this story is fake. Brother Tweed was called in to his bishop’s office, but not because of his opinion on Romney. Brother Tweed admits as much. the church is politically neutral. If this story was real, this bishop would be acting contrary to church teaching.

  39. Dottie–How about REID–his remarks were not favorable to Romney—Throw him out of the Mormon Church–also out of Washington.

  40. LATTER_DAY_AIN’T 1, September 24, 2012 at 1:14 am

    As a former member of the LDS church I can answer just how strictly LDS members pledge allegiance to Church Leadership on matters of doctrinal differences with church leadership. Church members are prohibited from speaking out “in any way against church leaders”. They are also prohibited from “teaching false doctrine”. These are wide nets and its up to the church leaders to determine if an offense constitutes church action. The action of speaking out against church leaders or teaching false doctrines is considered more “grievous” than sexual transgressions (adultery being the most “heinous” ) or any other type of sin and can get you excommunicated faster than getting drunk and fornicating with the Bishops wife.

    “Church Action” means court. When a member is excommunicated a court is held at the local level (branch or stake) by local leaders, made up of a body of “High Priests” and Elders, the Stake or Branch president and his counselors. The local Bishop is usually not presiding but may be called as a witness for or against the accused. The accused is kept out of most of the “trial” and long discussions are held while the accused waits outside. Once called in the witness does have the opportunity to challenge the charges and provide testimony to refute them in some way. Usually its a done deal though once it gets this far and many members never attend their own excommunication trial.

    As for what you can and cannot say, not voting for or speaking out against a political candidate, even if that candidate is LDS would not constitute grounds for church action. And no local Bishop or Stake President is going to be able to fly such charges past the higher authorities. A member can appeal their case to the higher authorities, going from the “Regional President” all the way to the “General Authorities. The General Authorities consist of the First and Second Quorums of the 70, along with the 12 Apostles and of course the Prophet\President (currently Thomas Monson, whom I’ve met several times) and any of them can overturn a local branch decision and reinstate a member in good standing.

    So I doubt that these local leaders are coming after him over anything political dealing with Romney, at least on the surface. I’m sure they want to go after him over that, but their official charge must be tied to apostasy which consists of the two I mentioned above, either publicly countering church doctrine or publicly criticizing church leaders. That being said its possible they’re using the latter, criticizing church leaders as the basis for their charge but that would be a stretch and no doubt overturned by a General Authority since Romney isn’t currently a church leader but only served as one in the past (the church employs a lay clergy so its not unusual that Romney was a Bishop or Stake President). So its more likely there’s a doctrinal issue that this man touched upon, although I’ll have to read his blog to see what that might be. In order for them to get to this guy with a charge that sticks, they’ll need to prove he wrote something publicly that constitutes “false doctrine”. Otherwise it would be hard to prosecute such a case against him on anything higher than the local level. Especially with the case being so public. So I’m guessing something he wrote in that blog dealing with “Romney’s God” likely is going to be the focus of their charges against him. Of course I don’t doubt for a minute that the motivation behind the charges, whatever they end up being, are due to Mormons wanting Romney as president, so very very bad. After all, Joseph Smith predicted that in the “last days” the US Constitution would “Dangle by a thread” and that it would be under Mormon leadership that it would be saved and that the world would turn to. He also predicted a Mormon would be President. So you can bet that now is not a good time to be anything other than a republican in the Mormon church. At least at the local level. They want this bad. Real bad. And you can bet if you’re not a Romney voter and worse an Obama fan, that locally you’ll not be too welcome in the Ward or Stake house. Harry Reid’s in Nevada by the way and most members consider Nevada Mormons “Jack Mormons” due to the fact that the state makes its income on everything prohibited in the LDS rulebook, from gambling, to booze, to sex (Mustang ranch) to face cards (yes, face cards are evil, don’t ask me why).

    Obedience to Church Leaders is not just mandatory, its the core of the religion. In fact if you look at church history you’ll see that most of the original leaders (and “Witnesses) of the Church were excommunicated at one time or another, and all for the same thing. “Speaking out against church leaders”. Martin Harris, the man who funded the original printing of the Book of Mormon was ex’d. So was Sidney Rigdon, another financier of the church. Even Oliver Cowerdry, the actual scribe of most of the Book of Mormon and Joseph’s right hand man was excommunicated for “disagreeing with the prophet”. Sometimes it was on very small things like land purchases or how to manage some project or task, but since the prophet was the voice of God on earth then even disagreeing with him in small matters could lead to being cut off. But today it usually has to be over something doctrinal or if they can show you are publicly (basically to anyone other than yourself) “criticizing church leaders”. Being as Romney’s not currently one I’d be looking for some doctrinal issue dealing with the nature of God or something along those lines. Otherwise they’ll be hard pressed to make anything stick.
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    One of the guys I knew in high school married a Mormon girl. After I got out of the Navy I talked to them. She was a waitress. He said he would never leave the Church, but he did. They got divorced, and he married a waitress from Denny’s.

    This guy is a loser. He keeps talking about his grandpa who is deceased and used to own an auto dealership in a ship-sucking little town.

    His first wife told me that her Mormon father tried to kill her by driving his car into a light pole (passenger side) while she was in the passenger seat. Story has it she’s been in rehab several times.

    The woman’s first name is Lisa. The first name of the shithead she was first married to is Dan. He used to follow his grandpa around like a puppy.

  41. Zarathustra 1, September 27, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    Question….. Why would human beings with functioning brains submit to this????
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    They’re puppies.

  42. Zarathustra 1, September 27, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Or, as in the case of Catholics…. they’re sheep…..
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    It doesn’t matter if they’re Catholics, Protestants, Jewish, Muslim, etc. They’re all sheep.

  43. People submit to all sorts of things. Some religions are actually ABOUT submission. Others, not. But plenty of people without religion are also into submission, either by choice, or training, or some exquisite combination…it takes lots of energy to NOT submit, much of the time.

  44. Malisha 1, September 27, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    People submit to all sorts of things. Some religions are actually ABOUT submission. Others, not. But plenty of people without religion are also into submission, either by choice, or training, or some exquisite combination…it takes lots of energy to NOT submit, much of the time.
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    Somebody has to not submit.

  45. I was very surprised 4 years ago, and again this election when I wore my earrings that say “Obama”. I was, and am, in the choir. The first time I asked the minister “Is it ok to wear the earrings since I am in the choir so face the congregation?” “Absolutely.” she said. This year again no one has complained, only one person stomped away from me, and 2 others indicated they were not with me. As churches go this one is a little less sheepish then many.

  46. I understand from “reading between the lines” of the words that Elder Jeffrey R. Holland (of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostholes) said–in an interview with a John Sweeney of the BBC (London)–that may be construed to imply–emphatically or not–that the LDS Chruch (sic) has ALWAYS been about suppressing dissent: he (Holland) even admitted, rather sheepishly (and after first denying it), that there is a “committee” called the STRENGTHENING CHURCH MEMBERS COMMITTEE, whose sole purpose is not in “strengthening” anyone but in FERRETING OUT DISSENTERS. If a religion such as this can do the things that the Nazi Gestapo did (viz., in ferreting out those who opposed any of the ideas of “Herr Hitler”), then there is no promotion of the principles and ideas associated with true Liberty, in this noxious cult: only conformity and a (bizarrely-misplaced) Loyalty.
    In reviewing a hypothetical “what if” scenario, recently–as having to do with the nature of the LDS Chruch, had it been established in 1775, instead of 1830–I concluded that church members would have been encouraged to use The Twelfth Article of Faith, as their mantra and would have greedily (and happily?) subjected themselves to King George III, and thus–in veritable mormon fashion–would have been good LOYALISTS, instead of FREEDOM FIGHTERS & champions of true liberty!

  47. LORD, YOU CALLED ME THIS !

    THE PLACE OF PEACE AND SPIRITUAL !

    SPIRITUAL POSTER MATERIAL FOR HUMANITY ‘AND THE WORLD EARTH SURFACE !

    Relying, Muscular and Firmly Believe with all your heart and soul to Jesus Christ our Lord of the Worlds!

    THE Lord’s Prayer makes its way among us through Mary Immaculate Mother of God with his return among us as Father. In communion with Jesus Christ!

    Everything comes to its fulfillment Divine!

    I think that we, manipulated by the manipulators, we are not guilty, we, manipulated by the manipulators, we are only led to no fault of our own, in practice, we are enslaved!

    Recall that the final sentence of the Prophecy of the Popes is: “During the last persecution of the Holy Roman Church will sit Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock among many tribulations, and when these are finished, the seven-hilled city will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge his people. So be it. ”

    REMAIN ON THE ROAD TO OUR LORD’S ONLY ONE of the Most!

    Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace among men with whom He loves, and we want to be one of them.

    THE Lord’s Prayer makes its way among us through Mary Immaculate Mother of God with his return among us as Father.

    Our Lord Jesus Christ we are rated, lead us in the heavens, the heavenly Jerusalem Liberata our Divine origin port to our Father, we humans its Anime of the Lord we tend to aim for the One The Only The God want our Lord The Lord of the Universes.

    THAT EVERYONE WHETHER YOUR NEIGHBOR AS HIMSELF WANTS TO BE CONSIDERED THE TREATY!

    IN THE HEART OF THE JEWISH SPIRITUAL SENSE, JESUS ‘E’ JEW! THE LORD OUR GOD, AND ‘THE ONLY GOD!

    LEAVE TO JESUS ‘CHRIST OUR LORD, JESUS A’ CHRIST OUR LORD, LEAVE!

    RESULT, OVER TIME AND SPACE, ITS FAITH IN JESUS ‘CHRIST THE KING!

    IN THE “KNOW YOURSELF” LIGHTS, THE SACRED ‘EXISTENCE!

    THE BODY OF CHRIST OFFERED FOR U.S.!.

    THE BLOOD OF CHRIST PAID TO U.S.!

    FAITH IN OUR LORD JESUS ‘CHRIST, THE HEART OPENS HIS GRACE!

    BELL CHIMES FOR OUR SALVATION HUMAN GIA ‘are heard!

    LIVE HOUR OF THE LORD BE – WE ARE HAPPY IN JESUS ‘CHRIST THE KING!

    Let us entrust ourselves COMPLETELY TO GOD!

    OUR HOLY WEAPON AND ‘THE CROSS, THE AUDIENCE THE NEW HUMAN LANGUAGE OF WORDS AND PICTURES!

    Let us entrust ourselves to Jesus Christ Our Lord of the Universes of heaven, we are at the end of humanity and the world as known for.

    This reading, if not being digested, should be read in some places not only literally but also read and interpreted between the lines with the Heart.

    In the name of the Father, in the name of the Mother which standard generator Female Mother of God, in the name of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

    It ‘been said, ask and you shall receive, in the Faith, Reason of things for humanity of his Sons of the Lord God, the One!
    Welcome is he who comes in the name of Christ the King, our Lord. Through faith in Christ the King, we will come Salvati.
    Listen to yourself and to thank those who love us and help us! Draw ourselves in faith in our Lord God The One The One!

    For Humanity, you must bring to the religion of Jesus in Union Salvific Cristus. To be a Christian Faith demands a strong and courageous, the follower of Christ must not be afraid. The force that dwells in us is God, in all its simple man Anime of the Lord we are to the universal judgment of God, the judgment of God we are.
    THE ALTAR AND ‘CHRIST, sooner or later we will return to the new beginning of the end of our world.

    (Expected spring up “Hits” is coming.)

    By God’s power are guarded through faith for our salvation in recent times.

    THE SONG OF MATTHEW XXIV 37-39, apocalypse REFER TO CONCLUDE THE FATE OF CIVILIZATION ‘IN PAIN AND SUFFERING THROUGH A FAILURE OF TIME AND HISTORY.

    Whoever receives one such child, receives me, but whoever receives me, receives not me but him who sent me ‘(Mk 9, 30-37) (Jesus).

    (As a Church of Christ in me, I express communion with the Lord of Souls).

    Pray the Holy Family of Jesus, Joseph and Mary, Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    If allowed you to suffer because it is good that you can see today do not know yet. (Pope John XXIII).

    Soothed, God is with you. Suffer is true, but he is close to you, trust him as you would trust your Father.

    Your peace of mind is to trust in God who is not able to never disappoint. (Pope John XXIII)

    I, the Lord, am your God, shall have no other gods before me. (Exodus 20:3)

    THE world is a testing ground.

    Jesus exercised his soul to the most severe self-sacrifice, to restore order LORD. (Jesus) the Lord is our true origin and to God we return to riconsegnarci the Lord our Father.

    I feel I have, direct contact with the Lord God Jehovah the Only One who protects me and leads.

    The darkness does will win the day, the Light of the Lord One of the Most prevail over evil, the demiurge, aims to want to spend for the Lord God One Universe. Jesus mocked the disciples prayed the extent that they believed was the true God, but that was true in the evil demiurge Satan, that tends aspires to want to look to our human eyes to rise to God, which is impossible in the eyes of the sacrilegious Mr. and humanity recognized its Anime of God

    If you have not yet occurred spiritual conversion in Christ the King of Israel, is fulfilled as well as the church in Christ the King

    We are hostage to the system ingabbiante? JERUSALEMME Listen, listen to the Holy Roman Apostolic Church: THE Lord is our God, our only God, we Souls of God in the tabernacle of the Lord places us. Jesus Christ: The last shall be first.

    ONLY THE LORD WILL ‘GIVE PEACE THROUGH JESUS’.

    If anyone wishes to come after me, “If one of you wants to be first must be last of all and servant of all” (Jesus Cristus).

    Gentlemen, We ride the River of the Catharsis of Human Life.

    FROM HEAVEN TO EARTH AND EARTH TO RETURN TO OUR HEAVENLY JERUSALEM IN HEAVEN.
    WE, THE NEW exsodus interplanetary JERUSALEMME OF BLUE IN HEAVEN.
    Belong therefore are in Christ Jesus in me. THE SKY WE BELONG, DO NOT BE AFRAID.

    We must return to the end of the world at the beginning of the world to understand the world.

    There are different kinds of Religion and Spirituality but the same God who works all in all. (1) Father (2) Mother (3) Son (4) Holy Spirit, Amen.

    It ‘s like to be inside of Light New Frontiers of Thought Living in Christ the King, this awakening has already occurred, the employee in their membership Being the fallen from Heaven to Earth, which will lead us to Salvation and Our confirmation to our Beloved Savior , The God – Jesus The Only One

    It becomes enshrined in the power of God for the grace given to us and handed down.

    Affanniamoci not for tomorrow, faith will save us! HAVE FAITH!

    On Earth, there are no races among humans, there are peoples among Humans.

    All Souls They fall under the protection of the Lord’s Prayer The One God.

    You receive the gift of salvation by grace of the Lord for their own merits but because its, Anime of God

    THE Preacher John the Baptist by christen the water of the Jordan, was his.

    Everything There will come down from Heaven and will return to Heaven, place in the Blessed Jesus Christ the King

    Let us just realize that we are on the threshold of World War inevitable apparecchiata as needed by malicious of the world? You just have to eat the food?

    Forgiveness and salvation by faith and grace from the Lord with the descent of the Holy Spirit upon us.

    As a Christian I have to become operator of Jesus Christ in me, to each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good of all, if you do so you are not true Holy One of God in our Lord Jesus Christ, we are.

    It ‘s like being crucified with our Lord and is no longer I who live but Christ in me king who lives in me.
    This is the time of the new arrival, and those who ignore the last revelation intended for the salvation of their souls in the Lord, is on the judgment of God, the judgment of God is placed.

    Dear Brothers, not to contradict those who thought differently but simply to point out: These are the signs of the times and remarked port ritrasmetto knowledge and to make a living witness to the awakening of humanity battered and bring it to conscious awareness.

    We are placed in the size limit, you leave the cage of the limit, it is not the limit of our real condition Universal.

    There are apparently different human populations, it is, but you can not, nor should be defined breeds but people.
    Remarked, port and ritrasmetto knowledge to make a living witness to the awakening of humanity torn unaware of it and this next to my Beloved, to make conscious – aware of the seriousness of the time of our times that we run and that inevitably go fired “match” .

    THE Awakening Total resides in the socket Religious Spiritual Aware in Cristus JESUS MAKES THE DIFFERENCE
    Love deep into the souls of the Lord comes to you my blessing, God willing, ALWAYS WILL BE DONE ‘GOD OUR LORD JESUS’ CHRIST.

    (WHO IS NOT ‘DO NOT UNDERSTAND BECAUSE POTRA’CAPIRE’.)

    The so-called gods are not gods Planets, they, the gods have no way of being as non-existent, not to the worship of the gods.

    We are at the end of time known, the time is finished, we are at the end of the world and not only in a symbolic sense, but also in the real sense of our lives on the surface of the Earth of our Most Holy Humanity, for as we known, rejoice.

    Start singing and dancing for the liberation of humanity Earth, Beloved Brothers and Sisters of Love returns to the House.

    Please note, annihilated, in the underworld as he buried himself in the sea of heaven, the evil devil satan.

    Human life on Earth so far has been pretty amazing wonderful at the same time tough and complex atrocious.

    In our way back home to the house of the Our Father, we give back pacified, appeased we give back.

    IN WITNESS WHEREOF, IN NOMEN PATER MATER ET ET ET WIRE SPIRITU SANCTI. AMEN.

    THE WOMAN CREATES LIFE, IT ‘was relegated MAN IN fallacious inferiority’, A REAL REASON FOR APPROVED BUT NOT ACCEPTED INFERIORIORITA ‘MAN THAT BECAUSE IT WILL’ suffering. ARMY of JESUS ‘CHRIST SAVE’ THE SOULS OF THE LORD, ITS CORE.

    Understanding to follow over time and space is always in act, from start to finish for its new beginning in our new Human World.

    On the island of Divine Dew “I-TAL-YA” inter – amnes (between two rivers) Albula et Batinum (Tordino and Vezzola) rivers of the City of Teramo, (unfortunately only ex rivers), where they form (symbolically ) Bridge inter anthropos et Deus Pater Noster Jesus Christ Almighty.

    We are the judgment of God, we are included in His Divine plan where you configure the junction of Bridge between Humanity and Heaven with her Lord Souls of Our Father Jesus Christ.

    Senility – old age rather than see it as inevitable temporary situation that will be exceeded, the return to the state of the Origins of being the first human to remain in his youth, as established by God our Lord to the Origin of Humanity in Eden.

    In the Third Millennium, Humanity World acknowledges and Consciousness, that the world is changed, that Man of both sexes has changed, that human language has changed, that spirituality is enriched with New Spiritual Human valences, which everything is Blessed by the Holy Spirit in us.

    God is love, freedom, justice and truth.

    The Spirit of Love of neighbor, comes, from Love in God that we bring you.

    Change the Church, and how if Change, the Church with all his saints Believers – Faithful and his holy bishops and his Blessed Pope Pope Benedict XVI we are, including converts even the last moment before the Return to the House, the House Our Father, we are all sinners including its redeemed us in The Way to Our Return to the House of the Our Father, the Lord, the Almighty, the Holy Spirit will guide you and Faro.

    THE tolling midnight on our last World known already heard.

    THE Lord, is revealed in us and works in us is so visible and invisible.

    I feel in me the Human Condition Mystic Spiritual Life of us human is a dream dreamed the dream Uncreated God eternally existing, as a fervent awakened sinner redeemed in Jesus Christ our Lord, the Almighty.

    There will be miracles – miracles? I want to add is: What place – most beautiful place and get rid of this to celebrate the Divine conjunction of Souls, which is beyond the flesh than the image we present to our visual world as illusory expression of ourselves? It is also the part of the HOLY SPIRIT.

    I am for me, not against each other, as others exist and consider them in Me (Jesus).
    “We are justified by faith in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 2:16).

    As only total body in our Lord, I will be in you as you’ll be me, however everything is within our reach, do not worry we are his Souls Eternal, its Anime Eternal Gd we are.

    Does not move “Straw” that God does not Want to Keep the Faith …. the ranks of Heavenly Angels Anime of God to follow Jesus Christ.

    Reject, hold off and crushed under the heels demons to reject them and sprofondarli definitely be in the ground that sink in the seas of heaven, the evil usurper entity of Satan are finally thrown in the sink.

    THE UNIVERSE AND EVERYTHING ‘CONSCIOUSNESS! I will be in you as you’ll be me ….

    It is a way to hide but it’s actually how I feel and be anyone, just be anyone, and in a way feel in all in God our Father while remaining outside the World so still feel she belongs to the whole and to rejoining all ‘Pater Deus Our Almighty.

    Make reference to their Spiritual Human Resonance in us.

    We entrust everything in the hands of God, including not no how to fade from the world and yet they are still the world feel out of the world.

    THE Lord help us, to awaken consciences.

    Move the acceptance of everything and everyone including me.

    Spring up from “SHOTS” coming. (Second, because the meaning of the word implies).

    Not fail to conscience, we might, just to keep the Faith.

    The responsibilities will not be attributed to other, type, obey the commands above does not equate to dispense with their co-responsibility and guilt, we Souls of the Lord we will be recognized equally guilty, you need to become Aware of all of this.

    And there were scoundrels who took the darkness rather than the light, a flash, enlighten and save the new humanity of his Souls of God in Unconditional Love.

    God is Love, Freedom, Truth, Justice, Solidarity, Mercy and Merciful God is Love.

    How about if we risvegliassimo collective amnesia that lasted for several millennia?

    I warn you, be mad at the world and wise to the Heavenly Jerusalem in the heavens of the house of our Lord Jesus Cristus the only one of the sacred Heaven Universes Universes.

    We are in DO and DO is within us as well as DO is in us, we are in DO.

    Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mother of God, we are in their care and protection! THE SACRED ‘OF HUMAN LIFE ….

    It ‘s all in the awareness that removes fears, we are Eternals, we are Eternals.

    Accasati feel in the heart of Pure Love in God our Lord, and not in the condition of the illusory deception strofinar meat sake of the nefarious the demiurge Satan the devil.

    The alleged unholy gods, made to pass for true that because of their crimes in the past millennia on our Sacred Humanity and continued manipulating them on our civilization on Earth, because of their unholy will reject interference sink in the sea of heaven where they come from .

    Anime of the Lord we are to care and protection of Jesus Christ and the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God, in their care and protection we are.

    Becoming accordance with the Master JESUS Cristus, PROCESSED in the HOLY SPIRIT.

    For the Kingdom of God and His coming. (Ofr. Mat. 24. 15-44, 10 39). Then questioned by the Pharisees etc ….

    THE Eternal Father, hand in hand continuation of the way, reminds me of him, that they do in me.

    Humanity is free from the prison of alcoholism, addictions – drugs, sex slavery by the end in itself, and against any sacrilegious crime against humanity, hotels in Pure Love in our Lord Jesus Christ.
    God forbid, raise its peoples Anime of God, the need and misery, God will deliver us to eternal life, both in the Renewed Conscious Body, Soul in Mind, Renewed in the Holy Spirit.

    Humanity is finally free once and for all by the demiurge Satan the devil.

    PURE SPIRIT OF GOD ‘IN THE VISIBLE AS invisible, GOD IN U.S. AND’!

    (Jesus) died for all, that those who live might live no longer for themselves but for him who died and was raised for them. (2 Corinthians 5: 15)

    Do not you should never fail to respect for his conscience, if we rise up against just to take the Faith, even at the risk of his own life. Get up and walk.

    You are the miracle of man in man on the way given to us by Jesus Christ our Lord The Lord The One.

    My flesh is not My will, but only My Spirit is My Truest I (Jesus).

    Put into practice the word, and not listen to it only deceiving yourselves. (James 1:22)

    Put the Love of Our Father first, relying on his will, is the only right road, happy to return to the house of the Father, God the Only One. Often look at the side of the Sun behind the Sun to understand.

    The Light is always with us, keep in mind that the dark always fears the Light!

    It ‘s all in the grip of consciousness, it removes fears induced by!

    THE CROSS OF THE LORD AND ‘THE BREAD OF LIFE MAN, AND BREAD OF LIFE’!

    We are Eternal! To us the choice of the “Awakening” to donate to the next unaware of it: “The Awakening.”

    THE great dragon, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world, was thrown down and was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with her.

    (Reminder: Revelation 12: 1-18) – (reminder: Matthew, xxiv, 37-39). And I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come the salvation and the power of the kingdom of our God, the mayor of his Christ, because he was cast down the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before God “.

    Jesus said: Seek the Kingdom of God and his glory, the rest will be given in addition.

    THE doom of humanity on Earth is coming, reaching for his New new beginnings, it is already upon us.

    The weather is now, we are in the midst of the ford cyclic astronomical.

    The socket Consciousness will make a difference, to remove the fears that have no way of being.

    THE ride of the symbolic trojan horse, is not going to be the Trojan horse itself, but to be alone in healthy carrier symbolic journey in becoming human, not the trojan horse, but having only symbolic bearer.

    For our next Divine Human life must be prepared for the Earth surface.

    Love and Peace to Men of Good Will of the Sons of the Lord on Earth.

    Souls of the Lord, the only protection of the Most One Our Father, we Souls of the Lord, we are.

    God is mercy Charity and Solidarity!

    We belong Anime of the Lord as his Eternal Souls, we, remain.

    Awareness in Human Souls of the Lord, we remain Defenders and Protectors of Our Next.
    Porto forward, beyond time and space for what I believe, what I believe I carry on!

    Let us entrust ourselves to Jesus Christ Our Lord of the Universes of heaven, we are at the end of humanity and the world as known for, do not worry, we are the Lord’s Anime Anime Eternal, Eternal Souls us, we are!

    This reading, if not being digested, should be read in some places not only literally but also read and interpreted between the lines with the Heart.

    In the name of the Father, in the name of the Mother which standard generator Female Mother of God, in the name of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.

    For Humanity, you must bring to the religion of Jesus in Union Salvific Cristus!

    To be a Christian requires faith strong and courageous, the follower of Christ must not be afraid.

    The force that dwells in us is God, in every Man Soul of the Lord, we are, at the judgment of God, the judgment of God, we are.

    THE ALTAR AND ‘CHRIST, will soon return to the new beginning of the end of our world.

    (Expected spring up “Hits” on the way).

    THE ETERNAL FATHER, HAND HAND IN continuation of PATH, MI A CALL IF ‘ITS ACTION IN ME.

    (Second round, when the meaning of the word implies).

    Who has not given to understand will not understand.

    In Love Unconditional Love “for the Souls of the Lord”, the last chime midnight for humanity and for the world as known, the chime is heard already.

    The peoples of Human Souls Sons of the Lord, are apparently so different, yes, but they are peoples races.

    Humanity suffers agonizing and urgent economic siege.

    When the smile tears flows from heaven opens, we are made in heaven.

    Only the Lord can defeat enemies, free from the demons, heal illnesses psycho-physical and spiritual, to preserve from danger and grant peace in the heart, in families and in the world around the Consortium Human.

    We welcome the invitation of our God, in the words of Deuteronomy: “Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one. Thou shalt love the Lord with all your heart and with all your soul, with all your strength. these words which I now give you, shall be upon your heart “(Deut. 6: 4-6).

    Who is the only true Holy Mediator between God and Men? The only true Holy Ombudsman, we recognize Anime of the Lord in Jesus Christ, who led the men from the deadly misery to the Blessed Immortality of the Our Father, the Almighty, the Absolute.

    Jesus says that many Christians who live during this time will abandon the faith. (Matthew 24:9-15)

    Honestly, in my opinion, only awareness can make a difference with the Make Conscious and share with the Our Beloved Next.

    First, forgive yourself so you can order your Re-Dona-Next, God willing.

    The Bible says that our righteous deeds are like “filthy rags.” (Isaiah 64:5)

    Even the apostles, the prophets and the martyrs are nothing but sinners forgiven, God willing.

    Will be the end of humanity and the world? This, perhaps, but intended only as known, the good to humanity and the world will still have to come it is coming, it is yet to come, restiamone convinced.

    I did wake up from a dream to a humanity of all possible worlds in wanting to also appoint women as bishops for all the churches monotheistic, it would be the real turning point egalitarian, the real breakthrough breakthrough of all possible worlds, and if you may, even of the beyond, this condition can be fulfilled in the true God The Only One wants of all universes.

    For the rest,’s get back to our Lord God the Almighty One, the Absolute, at the moment, there is nothing left to do, we look forward to his (“God’s” salvation Direct Communications.)

    Who wants to listen, read well with profound and deep sympathy of his heart and his soul, will make a difference.

    GOD HAS LEFT WITH JESUS ‘EVERYTHING YOU EVER WANT TO TELL IF YOU HAVE THE JOY OF listen, JUST want to listen to.

    Pray pray pray, we, its Anime Anime of the Lord the Eternal remain protected.

    Become “One” with the Universal Love Consciousness – the “Father” that He makes the Work of Love in us.

    I can, find forgiveness for my sins in the eyes of Jesus Christ, the Father, cleanse me of my sins and unclean ridonami the straight path, your Via.

    Emerge from demiurges and the gods, they are the demons of slavery systems cucitici him, scrolliamoci their clinging enslaving systems.

    Brothers, we always Hotels in the root of Love, God willing.

    The scene of this world is passing away, “so I urge you,” Do not be afraid, go to the New Heaven and the New Earth, God willing.

    Yes, we expect everything to the other side of the bridge, yes, our new Santa Human life awaits us, for our new human recommencement.

    Verily I say unto you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. THE heavens and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But as for that day or hour no one knows, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father. “(Mark 13.24 to 32)

    You receive the gift of salvation by grace from the Lord not to their own merits but because his Sons. “Take heed that no man deceive you” (Matthew 24:4), and “no one deceive you in any way.” (Tessalocinesi 2:3)

    Not fail to freedom of speech and expression, freedom of worship, freedom from want, freedom from fear.

    The signs I have presented and graciously donated.

    You just have to pray with the words of Psalm 15: “The Lord is my chosen portion and my cup, you hold my life.

    I am always in front of me the Lord is at my right hand, I stand firm. Therefore my heart rejoices and my soul rejoices, my body also will rest secure, because they do not abandon my soul to Hades, nor let your faithful one see the Pit.

    You will show me the path of life, fullness of joy in your presence delights at your right.

    LEAVE TO JESUS ‘CHRIST OUR LORD, JESUS A’ CHRIST, OUR LORD, LEAVE!

    There are many, for the world, the true Christians, as (“the Christ”), operate by following in his footsteps on the path of poverty and charity dignified aware quietly, Cardinal Angelo Roncalli below the mountain, elected as Pope John XXIII. Of heaven are made. (May I be miserable sinner unworthy of the game).

    Amen, Father of our Lord The Lord The One, Amen, Mother of God, our Lord, Amen, Jesus His Son, Amen, Holy Spirit, Amen.

    Humanity and the world as they are known at the end, in the end, Humanity and the world as they are known at the end, in the end.

    The Light of the Living Thought is also found in Repitio of the Word – the Word.

    For whoever will take account of his life will lose it, but whoever loses for my sake and the Gospel’s will. (Mark 8-34.35)

    I’ll tell you a big secret, do not wait for the last judgment takes place every day, (A. Camus)

    The time will come when those who are fully regenerated in spirit, will vanish altogether the concept of the word, and where it will be understood or taught in a precise and clear throughout the Universe the pure spiritual sense, which, as the voice of ‘a Loving Father to all calls and all shouting:’ Love!

    Oh, yes Love one another! (Oh, yes, let us love one another.)

    I Love to purified humanity with trials and tribulations, so that my words, which are imprinted in the Gospels remain eternally true, and should bring My little children to be effectively what were previously and are still only name.

    In this way come to pass that, after the abomination of desolation as un’infuriante after the storm, the sun of grace will shine again in all its full splendor, when the spiritual atmosphere will be purified of all the miasma, and all, Sky Land and Sea refreshed, you will have to “NOVELLA LIFE,” AMEN!

    It ‘said that the rescue from there will be a manifestation of divine grace, and that part of humanity will experience change Spiritual stands for elevation to a higher plane.

    Throw your burden on the Lord, and he shall sustain thee: he will not allow the righteous to be moved. ” (Psalm 55:22)

    It is said that all religions will be merged into one, in a perfect grace, God willing.

    Do not be afraid! Open, open wide the doors to Christ! (Karol Wojtyla).

    You just have to accept Pray Love, is no longer the time to deny the evidence.

    We are at the time of our new enhanced awareness will make a difference.

    The power of God is manifested on us its Anime of the Lord!

    God made us men, and other men made us slaves. Lord, come to deliver us, we are more and more slaves, come Lord.

    THE Lord is our God, the Lord is One, The Only!

    All the outward signs of the end times are, we do not like the ostrich putting its head in the ground for not wanting to see.

    HARMONY, L ‘BALANCE AND LOVE pervade us.

    The Gospel of St. Matthew warns us against false prophets: If someone tells you the Christ is here or there, believe it not, (Matthew 24.23).

    The words are often inadequate to describe the existence founded on Harmony, balance and on love.

    We are interior rebirth of the new level of consciousness, the entire universe is the essence of all that exists.

    Bring Christ in us as living action in our hearts, we are happy, we send joy and love to humanity and the world!

    HE WHO BELIEVES TO KNOW DO NOT KNOW NOTHING, THE ONE WHO HAS EVERYTHING SEARCH penetrated, I DO NOT HAVE THE THEORY OF KNOWLEDGE, I Wanted, I DO NOT KNOW ‘, I Wanted’ POOR ME ‘.

    YOUR GOD ‘CARE OF U.S. ALL THEIR SOULS OF THE LORD.

    Faith is born of the soul not the body, Pope Benedict XVI. (J. R.)

    Does not continue to be so dull our minds, our hearts closed, lost our actions.

    Advent is God offers us a new opportunity to really be able to personally meet and deal with Him through His Word.

    Let’s listen: “Behold, the days are coming – declares the Lord – when I will fulfill the promise of good that I made to the house of Israel and the house of Judah.

    In those days and at that time I will raise up for David a righteous Branch, who shall execute judgment and righteousness in the earth.

    In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will live quiet, and will be called: The LORD our – justice. “(Jer 33.14 to 16)

    What a great day that when the Son of God broke into human history, the history of each of us.

    He wants forgiarci in His image, as we were originally, to make disappear the scabs that have gathered over our beauty, as it came from the hands, from the Heart of the Father.

    But as in every one should be watchful waiting, his mind alert and ready heart, as it suggests Jesus: “At that time, Jesus said to his disciples:” There will be signs in sun and moon and stars; and upon the earth distress of nations in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves, men fainting for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth.

    The powers of the heavens shall be shaken: then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

    When these things begin to take place, risollevatevi and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.

    Heed to yourselves, that your hearts be weighed down with dissipation and drunkenness and cares of this life, and that day come on you unexpectedly, like a trap in fact it will come upon all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.

    Watch all the time praying that you may have strength to escape all that is about to happen, and to stand before the Son of Man. ‘”(Lk 21,25-28.34-6)

    We humans, we are at the Last Judgment, the Last Judgement, we have arrived.

    It’s the end of humanity and the world, but only for as known, I find it quite obvious to ravvedersene and not realize it, do not worry, we are the Lord’s Anime Anime Eternal, we who are his Souls Eternal us.
    Do not be upset our heart, as we know, we humans Anime of the Lord is not given to know neither the day nor the hour, but we are given the comfort of knowing that by protection of Our Blessed Lord and the Blessed Immaculate Virgin Mary, Mother of Our LORD JESUS ‘CHRIST.
    Who believes is never alone. (Benedict XVI)

    Colosseum shines shines at night in all your lights, like the petals of the rose you will find peace and rest in your mother’s womb, made from the flower must pass, the bride is anxiously awaiting the Bridegroom, she watches day and night shines Coliseum shines in all your lights ….

    Let us invoke the Holy Prayer with heartfelt appeal to the LORD.

    LORD FORGIVE U.S., BECAUSE WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT WE DO.

    LOVED OUR LORD IS RELYING IN U.S., THE BLOOD OF JESUS ‘CHRIST.

    Let’s get back to the mercy of our Lord, we return to the house, the house of the Lord’s Prayer!

    Come shipped in God with all our heart with all the Holy Soul of God in us!

    We, the keystone of our decisive return to the house of the Lord’s Prayer!

    We are his Souls of the Lord, we return to the house of Our Father pacified, appeased us back.

    “Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the day of the Lord, the great and terrible. It will return the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of children to their fathers, so that, coming not have to hit the ground with destruction. “(Malachi III: 23,24) (…)

    So Elijah went back one more time before the advent of Universal Step {} or alternatively a Universal Rating {always} to return all faiths and religions to their One Source, so that the world will not perish …

    AFFANNIAMOCI NOT BOTH, JESUS ‘CHRIST IS AND WE SAVE ANYWHERE WE ARE, WE, ITS ANIME OF GOD.

    Watch therefore WHY ‘NOT KNOW NEITHER THE DAY OR THE HOUR. “(Mt. 25, 113)

    Everything is in motion, as well as the doctrine that Jesus Christ has bequeathed to us, which is related to our changing understanding of consciousness that changes and updates over the millennia just as in centuries, that’s why I think Jesus was expressed several times in parables.

    Understandable and courageous grasp boldly mutations that Jesus Christ calls us to perceive according to the will of God.

    BE BRAVE AND BOLD, WE ARE THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG THAT WARRIORS the REAL JESUS Cristus HAS ENABLED IN U.S..

    Let us be worthy, nothing is static and immobile universe, much less God UNIVERSE!

    I put myself to the Will and the Truth of GOD ONE OF OUR LORD The LORD’S PRAYER.

    ALREADY ‘ALWAYS IN THE CHURCH OF ROME OF CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC LORD JESUS CHRIST, THIS’!

    The Church of Jesus goes beyond the earthly Church outside commonly accepted, it dwells in the tabernacle of our own heart.

    God in us, God among us in God Universe.

    For my clarification, I declare that I do not belong to any sect, this is it!

    I do not have to enter the Roman Catholic Church Christian, I am already in the Roman Catholic Christian Church of Jesus Christ, and this has always been, since I AM THE CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IN THE SAME LAND OF OUR LORD JESUS Cristus, THIS ‘!

    THAT IS NOT ACCEPT THE TRUTH ‘REALITY’ OF OUR LORD, THIS ‘!

    BEHOLD, I HAVE STATED WHERE NOTHING ON EARTH AS IN HEAVEN CAN ‘strike, U.S. ANIME ANIME ETERNAL WE ARE CHILDREN OF GOD, THIS’!

    U.S. SOULS ETERNAL CHILDREN OF GOD ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN, WE ARE A CARE AND PROTECTION OF OUR LORD JESUS ‘CHRIST, THIS’.

    God bless every single core and all its peoples of the Earth.

    IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER OF THE MOTHER OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, AMEN.

    THE KINGDOM OF GOD ‘WITHIN OURSELVES, WE IN GOD, GOD AMONG U.S. IN GOD UNIVERSE!

    Why say to me and not to others? Say instead, but because others and not to me.

    I find no presumption that all of us, it is what it is, and that something needs no justification to some others, accept themselves accepting our Beloved Next.

    Heartfelt appeal TO HUMANITY ‘AND THE WHOLE WORLD.

    How nice to think that tomorrow, but any woman simple, can be accessed as Pope of the Roman Catholic Church of Rome, as well as priests, friars, monks, and any simple man, not that, Nuns and Sisters, I can take part in full.
    How nice to think that priests, bishops and cardinals, of both sexes, may contract marriage “between Man and Woman,” that’s nice to think that they can also experience and directly transmit the Divine family experience to be repaid to the whole world, and that of Human Family earthly than Religious Human Celeste.

    How nice to think that all the children of the Lord Anime of each sex, can access Clerical apparatus of religion in its own right, it’s nice to think.

    We Anime of the Lord, we are all children of God without exception, us its Anime of the Lord, we are!

    WHERE IS WHAT perpetrate PROCREATION ANIMI THAT DIVINE AND HUMANITY pervades the ‘IN ITS-continuation IN OUR UNIVERSES OF CELESTIAL UNIVERSES, OVER TIME AND SPACE, THE ETERNITY’ WE WAIT!
    GOD, DO NOT JUDGE, GOD LOVES!
    MY LORD, THIS ‘THE WAY!

    “Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, you and your family,” (The Acts 16: 29,31).
    Now we have riceduto the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, and to know
    things which God hath given. (1 Corinthians 2:12)

    I believe that what I was saying, it was widely reported to me, according to what the meaning of the word implies, nothing more it less.

    We are fully aware of ourselves, and even if nothing happens, it means that could ever happen to all, but do not worry, we are the Lord’s Anime Anime Eternal!

    “When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said: It ‘finished! And he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. “(John 19:30)

    “But know this, that if the householder had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have watched and would not have let his house be broken into. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of ‘Man will come. ” (Matthew 24:43,44)

    LUCK! LUCK!

    I do not hate not revenge, but WE LOVE IN BETWEEN U.S. IN GOD THE UNIVERSE.

    THIS WILL CHANGE ‘SAVE’ sanctify ‘HUMANITY’ THE MAN THE WORLD AND THE WHOLE UNIVERSE!

    THIS ‘MY MAN ASCESI HUMANITY’ THE WORLD AND UNIVERSE.

    We are faced with ourselves, we face the door of the supreme terror where everything will dissolve and will lead us to new RE-BIRTH, let’s do it without fear ideally keeping us all holding hands FROM THE FIRST TO THE LAST
    SOUL CHILDREN OF OUR LORD GOD ON EARTH.

    The demiurge and the gods in a figurative sense are represented in the tree of life of the Jewish tradition.

    We are confident that the conversion of the Jews is already a done-place?

    OUR ONLY ONE GOD LORD CREATOR, dawn will bring the most beautiful day in the Prophetic Rapture Rapture in heaven of his Sons in Event Supernatural.

    What the Creator is the Creator back, the sons of God will be returned to the Father.

    The path of the Ascension in Body, Mind, Soul and Spirit for Humanity in God by the Messiah Divinity JESUS Cristus, either.

    What has been will be the New, Sunset of our times, the Rise of a New Earth in a New Heaven for a New Humanity Re – Voluzio – Nata.

    YOU MAKE A RETURN to the God of LOVE IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH ‘.

    Humanity is ready in its further Cyclic Ri – generate – action, is perpetuating the New Humanity Purified and projected to New Life in a New Heaven and the New Earth purified.

    Affanniamoci not for tomorrow, do not be afraid, maintain and instill calm and peace, regardless of when it might happen around us.

    AS SERVANT OF THE SERVANTS OF GOD, I beg, I MAY BE PLACED BY THE GRACE RECEIVED AT THE SERVICE OF THE CHILDREN OF GOD.

    FIRST BE AT THE SERVICE OF THE LAST OF THE EARTH, AS THEN, FOR THE OTHER CHILDREN OF GOD OF OUR LORD JESUS ‘CHRIST The ONE GOD ALMIGHTY.

    AFFANNIAMOCI NOT BOTH, JESUS ‘CHRIST IS AND WE SAVE ANYWHERE WE ARE, WE, ITS THE LORD’S SOULS, SOULS OF THE LORD WE.

    THE HOLY ALLIANCE OF RELIGIONS OF THE SONS OF GOD, OUR LORD JESUS ‘CHRIST THE ONE GOD ALMIGHTY.
    Verily I say unto you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. THE heavens and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But as for that day or hour no one knows, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father “(Mark 13.24-32)” But know this, that if the householder had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have watched and would not have broken into the break into his house.

    Recall the parable of: the wolf the wolf, then, the true coming of the Lord does not take seriously its coming, I hope it is included in full.

    In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will live quiet, and will be called: The LORD our – justice. “(Jer 33.14 to 16)

    We are the fulfillment to the Dawn of the New Day!

    Take cognizance consciousness of God in ourselves!

    E ‘and left everything in the hands and will of God our Lord.

    I accepted my journey my go before the ancient origins of the days, I accepted.

    It ‘said that the man would never do anything if he knew what time the wait ….

    “Today, the city of David, was born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign: You will find a baby wrapped in swaddling clothes in a manger. ” (Luke 2: 11,12)

    The wolf the wolf, we are true to the new coming of the Lord, do not take seriously the new coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, be folly to those who withhold it.

    “Behold the Lamb of God, behold him who takes away the sin of the world! (Jn 1:29)

    “I did not come to bring peace on earth, but a sword” (Matthew 10:34)

    “THE Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us” (Jn 1:14)

    I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14: 6)

    It led him to the place Colgota … (Mark 15: 22)

    Eloi, Eloi Lama sabachthani? My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? (Mark 15: 33 – 37)

    Be anxious for nothing, BUT IN ALL THINGS DO KNOW YOUR REQUESTS TO GOD by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving. (Philippians 4: 6)
    ANGUSTIAMOCI NOT MORE ‘FOR NOTHING, GOD WANTS!
    ACCEPT JESUS ‘AS SAVIOR AND LORD OF MY LIFE!
    THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD ‘ABOVE ME, FOR THIS HE ANOINTED ME TO PROCLAIM the acceptable year. (Luke 4: 18, 19)

    In faith and humility, Giovanni Ioannoni (alias) JURM Ben ISman.

  48. Brother, I love you so much. We love you. We do not want your soul in hell. We want you saved by Jesus Christ. You are my brother in Christ. Jesus loves you. We are all sinners. God sent his Son to save the world that all men might come to him and be saved. Brother. the bible says: If any angel or man brings a different gospel and a different Christ. Anathema is he. I do not want you to be an anathema. It is my job. Because the Lord’s `commandment is Love thy neighbor. God loves you so much. You are lost. You are in the wrong track. The bible tells me so. No one can excommunicate the bible because it is the word of God. Glory to God if the Bible is excommunicated. Because the bible is inspired by God and the Holy Spirit. The bible is the Holy Spirit word of God.

  49. Update: Twede was outed. Twede lied about the LDS church going after him for criticizing Romney. Twede got caught in a lie and had to admit the LDS church never said a word to him about what he wrote on Romney. The church did question his intentions with his website, where he openly admits he is not a LDS believer, but kepps his membership to cause problems with members, because as a member he has more clout.

    The LDS church never goes after members for politics. I am a member and openly opposed the church involvement in Prop. 8. A lot of members quite talking to me but I was never called in by leaders. All the talk by LDS critics and lies by former members about the LDS church will control members who are politicians is pure fabrication that started in Joseph Smith’s day and has been perpetuated by LdS critics to this day.
    This country has worse problems than a Mormon in the White House. People need to demand changes in Congress and Senate. The average citizen is not represented, the big corporations and rich are the ones who are represented. There are members of Congress and the Senate of both parties who are heirs to multi billion dollar corporations, which is why corporations and banks etc. get help and breaks at tax payer expense, and the little average citizen gets nothing but cuts, cuts, cuts. Wake up
    people.

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