Virginia Bound

Leslie and I are still stuck in New Orleans. As I noted yesterday, we have been stranded by US Airways which cancelled flights to Washington yesterday despite the relatively mild weather in the city. It appears that the airline simply did not want aircraft in Washington when the storm hit. My complaint has not been that decision but the lack of consumer support after trying for hours to reach anyone at the airline. We have little choice but to try to drive back to Virginia since we have four kids who are being watched over by our sitter (I also have classes to teach on Tuesday and Wednesday). We intend to be highly cautious and stop if it gets to dicey. However, we cannot leave the kids any longer in this storm.


We have been told that we might be able to get on a flight for Tuesday but it does not look promising. Indeed, it was not even raining last night in D.C. with low winds. Tuesday looks like it will be pouring with strong winds. We love New Orleans (where I used to live) but we are increasingly anxious to be with the kids.

There may be an interruption in my posting on Tuesday in light of our effort to drive back. I will try to tweet on our status.

I hope everyone is safe during the storm. I would not travel if we were not separated from our kids. I strongly recommend that people stay indoors and of course continually on this blog.

197 thoughts on “Virginia Bound

  1. Gusts are the greatest danger, plus water not leaving the roadway. You are NOT alone using the road, so drive not assuming that others are skilled or aware as they should be. Drive defensively.

    And Godspeed, as said.
    ——————-

    PS It is an arranged catastrophe to keep Dem voters in Dem states away rrom the polls. For those who like conspirations.
    How will it dffect the vote? It will give election officials (with obvious politcal leanings an extra few cards to play to favor their side, based on several demographics.

    Prediction; This will be one of the judicially contest elections in USA history.

  2. Was stranded in Albany NY one time after they said the airport was closed. I was waiting for my travel department to make hotel & car reservations for me when I saw “my” plane take off. I asked the counter agent about that & he was quite honest – the airport was not really closed by the airline wanted the plane in NYC because there was more money to be made in the follow up to the storm there than in Albany.

    All airlines stink

  3. Have a safe trip….. Up here in Maine…not bad here yet… but think we are just going to get rain and maybe 50 mph winds…that is what the news is saying for our area…. but its 55 out for October 29 in winter in Maine loving it lol no snow ya ya ya…

    Please let us know you made it home safe………….

  4. What we parents will do for our children! You only really understand unconditional love when you hold your first child. I hope you are soon reunited with yours. Be careful because they need you.

  5. Thank you Billie for the temperature report from Maine—55 degrees.

    Which exposes another lie in this media constructed Frankenstein. It was claimed that arctic air was waiting to make snow of the storm’s rains. Now that does not appear to be true.

    IS THIS A MEDIA EVENT TO EFFECT THE ELECTION?
    Dismiss if you can.

    Where is Obama? Campaigning or leading the anti-storm forces—purely symbolic. Remember George who flew over the ruins of the class four Katriaa?

    Push the election up 2 weeks.

  6. I wish we were able to have this kind of early warning and prep time for our earthquakes in California.

    Idealist

    The President is in DC. He’s cancelled campaign stops to monitor the storm from Wash. Governor Chris Chrisie is heaping praise on Mr Obama this morning for the President’s pro-active, hands-on approach and for the confernce calls he’s held with area Governors to help co-ordinate FEMA’s response.

  7. Hurricane winds / gusts in D.C. and other areas this evening / tonight … major tidal / storm surges endanger mass transportation … disruption could last awhile … our thoughts are with all folks in the Northeast …

  8. We are not the only country aware of and experiencing storms.

    Typhoons aplenty hit Japan, China, Philippines, etc. this year.

    At the moment a Russian ship is missing in a storm off the Russian coast, in the Pacific.

    It has 700 tons of gold ore on board.

    It sent SOS signals then went silent.

  9. SANDY ISN’T GONNA BE A TROPICAL STORM ANYMORE

    Sandy is losing its status as a tropical storm/hurricane and is demoted to a autumn low pressure area before land impact.

    The National Hurricane Center is declaring that it will issue no more notices ending with those effecting North Carolina. The future watching and news is now being transferred to the:

    “local NWS Weather Forecast Offices (WFOs), to communicate the wind threat posed by Sandy in the Mid-Atlantic States and New England.”
    ———————

    http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/news/20121027_pa_sandyTransition.pdf

  10. It is a good thing that JT and family were not on the Bounty. The skipper of the Bounty had a schedule to adhere to so he did not put the ship into safe port–“Any Port In a Storm”– and the boat took on water for some reason off NC and sank. In this world it is important that we keep our appointments and not have to pay our nannys overtime. We sitting on board our ship, which is tied up to huge steel piers, are glad that we did not have a schedule to keep and were not out there off the coast with the Bounty. It is not a bad drive from LA to DC and if one avoids the snowstorms in West VA then it should be fairly uneventful. Oh, those airlines! How can they worry about safety when folks have schedules. Why, those law students in DC might have missed a class! The nanny would have to work overtime. Maybe the law students can take up a collection for the nanny. Now if the airline would just hire the skipper of the Bounty to be a traffic coordinator during the biggest hurricane in fifty years then the JTs of the world will be happy. And that is a fairly balanced view with pulled punches.

  11. “Hmmmmmm…..spam has its own key” is one of the best lines in history. Right up there with Fats Waller’s “One never knows, do one?”

  12. Your welcome Idealist707……………………….

    ya these weather men…. I wonder about them sometimes … its really not bad here… no snow ya ya ya ya it is 55 here right now close to Portland Maine… I guess being in Florida for 27 years kind of use to it…. everyone here is freaking out though….. lol we will all be fine in Maine… hope all goes well for the other States…. got a report from friends in NC about an hour from Wilmington NC inland…. and they lost power for an hour yesterday… that was it and rain… friends in Ga near Macon… all they got was rain…. but it sure is a wide storm they said 800 miles wide…

    keep ya posted…. at least its warm… lol headed south in 15 days so hope its all gone…

    Take Care everyone

  13. After 9/11 many travellers were in your tough situation, needing to get home to families. A friend of mine from Chicago was stranded in LA. Rental vehicles were sucked up quickly. So, he did what many folks did, he bought a car and drove home. The week after 9/11 was great for auto sales. At least you just had to rent one. Always “Look on the bright side of life.” Monty Python.

  14. I don’t know how old your children are, Prof. Turley, but they will be very happy and better served if you take your time to get home safe …I heard that the biggest threat will be to the Northeast of landfall…looks like those whippy winds and storm surge will be going away from you….travel safe!

    and big :) for the Whedon!!!!!

    …..the world is a better place….

  15. You are in a tough situation which isn’t going to end quickly. I suspect driving was something you were going to have to do sooner or later in order to get home to the kids.

    Godspeed

  16. I wish you the best journey Professor. Much better to drive than sit in an airport at the mercy of the airlines.

  17. Wow really Gene H. ………………………….

    well I guess on here we can blame it on anyone lol

    Hope you are not in its path…………………….

  18. nick,

    Northern Italians … I’d never, never blame Southern Italians … especially those who like island living.

  19. Blouise, Those Northern Italians really wish they were Swiss! Never been to Sicily, but took a day trip to Capri. Lots of money out there.

  20. It’s god’s judgment on white heterosexual males. There are way too many white heterosexual white males in Virginia.

  21. nick s.:
    I was in Alaska a few years go. Went flying with a bush pilot. I asked him how they managed after all air travel was shut down by the government after 9-11. There are many villages in Alaska that have no roads in or out and are totally dependent on the bush planes for literally everything. The pilot told me there was tremendous pressure on the FAA to lighten up or people would be starving to death and sick or stranded people would die without air service. Senator Ted Stevens was a former pilot and a ranking member of the Senate. Apparently he was highly influential in getting the embargo lifted.

  22. Prof Turley, I really enjoyed meeting you in DC and hope you have a safe trip home. I was thinking that if you know some pilots in the area who have a plane, that might be a good way to get around without the airlines. You could just pay for the fuel, and any light twin or single engine plane might be just the thing for you. OR, if you have the time and inclination, you could get a pilots license. Good luck!

  23. Professor Turley, I understand your need to get home to your kids. Make sure that your nanny has support in case you don’t arrive in time, and be be careful for yourselves. I am sure your caregiver has common sense or you wouldn’t have hired them. Your kids are safest when their parents are safe, so don’t be a hero, although a loving parent is often that!

  24. OS, That was a noble use of power by Stevens. However, it doesn’t make up for the Bridge To Nowhere and other pork he squandered on Alaska. As you probably know OS, you can’t even drive to the capitol, Juneau. My son spent 2 summers working in Skagway so we visited him. The Army built a road from Skagway to the Canadian transcontinental highway during WW2. Some folks now want to build a road from Skagway to Juneau along the Lynn Canal. The proposal has stalled. Alaska is a lot like Colombia, very dependant on air travel because of terrain and remoteness. We wanted to get to Haines from Skagway to see an eagle sanctuary. It’s only a few miles across the canal but the ferry service is horrible. So, we flew Skagway Air for cheap. The pilot dropped us off in Haines, gave us his cell# and just had us call him when we wanted to come back. It was a 5 minute flight, I think the 3 of us round trip was $65 in 2006.

  25. OS, Where did you visit in Alaska? Did you take a cruise? We’ve been there twice but not by cruise. I think that’s how the vast majority of folks see Alaska.

  26. I flew non-stop commercial to Anchorage out of Atlanta. Hated every minute of the flight. It was about eight years ago, and my son was living and working there. We stayed at his apartment for about ten days. I have never been on a cruise and have never had an urge to take a floating hotel to anyplace. If I wanted to do a cruise, I would probably go by one of those freighters that books a small number of passengers.

    Next time I go to Alaska, I will probably drive the AlCan highway.

    The late Senator Stevens died in a plane crash. He was a legitimate war hero. He was in training to become a P-38 fighter pilot, but his outfit got into some kind of hot water with the brass and they were all reassigned to fly freight. He ended up flying C-47 freighters over the Hump, along the route that was nicknamed the “aluminum highway,” because of all the plane wreckage along the way. He was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross.

    In a way, it is sad that his legacy is to be remembered because of his famous speech to the Senate about the Internet being a series of tubes. Said that a constituent, “Sent me an internet,” the day before, but only got it today because somebody was sending a book and clogging up the internet.

  27. Jonathan,

    I hope you have a safe trip home.

    *****
    The wind and rain have picked up in the area of Massachusetts where I am. We lost electricity for about an hour. It is back on again.

    *****

    More than 110,000 without power as Hurricane Sandy whips state
    10/29/2012 3:22 PM
    http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2012/10/29/outer-edges-hurricane-sandy-are-bringing-high-winds-and-rains-today-but-worse-still-come/Q9xxjXy0lsXcVzUKT49CkJ/story.html

    Excerpt:
    More than 110,000 electric customers lost power today as Massachusetts was lashed by winds and pounded by waves from Hurricane Sandy, the “superstorm” poised to make landfall late this afternoon in New Jersey but powerful enough to wreak trouble hundreds of miles away in New England.

    Coastal communities braced for flooding from wind-whipped waves at the next high tide this evening; several, on both the North Shore and South Shore warned residents to evacuate.

  28. “Much better to drive than sit in an airport at the mercy of the airlines.”

    Much better to be anywhere than in an——-(insert here).
    America is big and beautiful to live in, if you are in the wilds of Colorado. Hunter S Thompson thought so. And never took the keys outa his car or locked his house there.

    Met a young woman from Perth, Australia 3 days ago. The girls there still leave their bags on the table and walk away leaving them untended. Civilization’s last frontier?

  29. idealist,

    That NOAA notice you provided a link to is dated October 27th.

    Here’s some information that is more current:

    October 29, 2012, 3:07 PM
    Hurricane Sandy speeds towards landfall
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57541877/hurricane-sandy-speeds-towards-landfall/

    Excerpt:
    NEW YORK A superstorm threatening 50 million people in the most heavily populated corridor in the nation gained strength Monday, packing winds of 90 mph and picking up considerable speed just hours before it is expected to make landfall, forecasters said.

    The National Hurricane Center said Monday morning that the Category 1 hurricane is moving northwest at 28 mph – up from 18 mph a few hours earlier. At 2:00 p.m. ET the storm was centered about 175 miles south-southeast of New York City, or about 110 miles southeast of Atlantic City, N.J. Hurricane-force winds extend up to 175 miles from the storm’s center, with tropical storm-force winds extended outward up to 485 miles.

    Maximum sustained winds of 90 mph, with higher gusts, were measured.

    Gale/tropical storm-force force winds were reported from North Carolina to southern New England.

    Hours before the storm made landfall, high winds had already knocked out power to more than half a million customers in several states by mid-day Monday.

  30. That I should complain, it is your power loss, not mine.
    But feel for you. It is a big country and aerial lines are cheapest (even here), but the main grid stays up and the city power is all underground, so is secure. Most live in cities.

  31. ElaineM,

    Thanks for noticing. When I link to NOAA I expect that I will get the latest. Don’t you too?

    What caught my eye and what was still timely was that it was no longer to the National Hurricane Center that people, ie us, should turn to for up to date info.
    Guess NOAA showed that they were not up to date.

    So where ARE you in Massachusetts? Let us use NWS to see your local advisories.
    Here’s mine:
    http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Raleigh&state=NC&site=RAH&textField1=35.822&textField2=-78.6588&e=0

  32. idealist707: Guess NOAA showed that they were not up to date.

    NOAA and NHC are updating, NOAA as needed and NHC every hour, should be another update an NHC in a few minutes

    NHC

  33. Prediction: This will not be nearly the disaster hyped by cable tv and news and weather who are trying to scare the shit out of you just so they can sell you soap, soda, autos, etc. We are fast becoming a culture of scared lemmings. “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!” Howard Beale.

  34. The best place to keep up with weather is the NWS pages. The National Weather Service is part of NOAA and is where you will find the most up to date information for your area. Put in your city or zip code and it will take you to the weather service station nearest that location. This is the one for the DC/Baltimore area. NWS service station areas around the country have some overlap in their coverage.

    Notice the section in pink with the red bar across the top. Those are the official and up to date notices for severe weather events. There are several categories of alerts, ranging from wind alerts to hazardous weather alerts.

    http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Washington&state=DC&site=LWX&textField1=38.895&textField2=-77.0373&e=1

  35. raff,
    It is not money people will be putting on the line. It is their butts. As I wrote last night, if anyone is in an evacuation zone, be sure to write your social security number on your body with a permanent marker so they can identify your body….provided they even find it.

    There are reports that at Brigantine Beach, NJ, between 70% and 75% of the 9500 residents did not evacuate despite the mandatory evacuation order. Access is now closed, seawalls have been breached and the tide is still rising. Steady winds of 35-50 mph are expected with gusts to 75 mph. This is what it looked like on Brigantine Beach before it even started to get really bad there.

    When told to evacuate, GO!

  36. OS

    That is what I said before, but you do write clearer english.

    ElaineM,
    It was an info on “Sandy” which I cited, if you re-read my excerpt you will see that it was. Don’t blame me for
    NOAAs faults. I’ve been using the NHC for years now. When you live on Hurricane Alley in NC you learn fast.’
    I sat through the eye of a hurricane that went ashore and right over Raleigh, NC in 1950 if I remember right, age 14.
    105 mph as I recall.

    Kooky,
    Don’t you recognize a snark when you see one. I know that they update. And as to faults, whereever they occur, I can not diagnose them. Who knows, maybe my laptop has a magic access to old items when I ask for the latest. It or the net does funny things at times. Doesn’t yours.

  37. rafflaw,

    I like to be prepared in case of an emergency. I lived through the Blizzard of ’78–which was not predicted. I had an extremely difficult time driving home from work that day. I also recall another huge blizzard that was not predicted during my first year of teaching. My friend picked me up from work. Our car got stuck in the middle of a road in the town where we taught. We had to walk over a mile through howling winds and snow to the apartment of some friends where got warm and called for help.

    I believe it is better to be safe than sorry. Let us not forget what happened in this country during and after Hurricane Katrina.

  38. Well here in Maine up in the woods…. near Portland… the weather people like to start S—– lol our winds right now are 23 mph we are not going to get much up here and its going to be 60 to 65 tomorrow… summer… ya ya ya no snow…. ya scare tactics so you will go buy everything in the store ………………… We are all good here in this part of the world of Maine :)

    but everyone is going crazy up here….. rude people in the stores… and just crazy………….

  39. idealist,

    I didn’t fault NOAA–nor did I blame you for anything. I just noted that the link you provided was to an NOAA announcement dated October 27th. Reread what I wrote.

  40. Nick,

    Suggest not predicting hurricanes. Katrina which was a class 5 (temporally) was apparently not as wide as this one.
    Joke: Katrina could have been worse but Dubja asked Poppy his dad HW to put some oil on the waters, and BP helped him. Is that why he looked so happy looking at the damage from AF One? Great man to take photos of. Wonder if the WH photographer’s archive is on line from those years.
    The one of him sitting in the classroom after advised of 9/11 is a classic. But I diverge.

  41. ElaineM,

    I know that technique too. Swedes are perfectionists in using it.
    I can even write your reply to this ahead of time.
    What technique?, you will ask.

    I gave the reply I gave. You won’t get any more.
    Killing with kindness does not work either. But that is up to you, as for all here.

    I provided a service. And don’t plan to rise to any more bait casted on the surface of Sandy.

  42. I have just been watching the weather reports on TV. Local reporters have gone out and gotten some video. There is already quite a bit of snow at the higher elevations. If Professor Turley and Leslie are going up Interstate 81, they can expect to run into more serious winter weather conditions about Abingdon, VA. Blizzard conditions are forecast as far south as Clintwood and Pound, VA. Here is the weather from the NWS station at Morristown, TN.

  43. “The sky is falling, the sky is falling.” My point is use common sense, ALWAYS respect Mother Nature and she’ll spare you. Panic is never productive.

    OS, I’ve been to Brigantine having worked @ the Jersey shore during my college years. If they’re not evacuating as directed I believe Darwinism is @ work. I do hope Lucy the Elephant in Margate survives. At least mute the commercials all you chicken little folks.

  44. Sandy could bring ‘catastrophe,’ affect 60 millionBy Tom Watkins, Josh Levs and Chelsea J. Carter, CNN
    October 29, 2012
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/29/us/tropical-weather-sandy/index.html

    Excerpt:
    (CNN) — Hurricane Sandy neared an expected evening landfall on Monday, ripping up part of the fabled boardwalk in Atlantic City, New Jersey, and spawning high winds and torrential rains from North Carolina to Maine.

    “In some places, we have two and a half to three feet of water on the ground, and this is the low tide,” Atlantic City Mayor Lorenzo Langford told CNN.

    The storm had already knocked down power lines and tree limbs while still 50 miles offshore, and he urged anyone staying in the resort to “hunker down and try to wait this thing out.”

    “When Mother Nature sends her wrath your way, we’re at her mercy, and so all we can do is stay prayerful and do the best that we can,” Langford said.

    Sandy’s eye was expected to come ashore along or near the southern New Jersey shore early Monday evening. Sandy had already “wiped out” a northern section of the boardwalk in Atlantic City, but most of the East Coast landmark was intact, Langford said.

    At 5 p.m. ET, Sandy was a Category 2 storm with top winds of 90 mph (150 km/h), the National Hurricane Center reported. The eye was about 30 miles east-southeast of Cape May, New Jersey, moving to the west-northwest at 28 mph.

    An expected storm surge could raise water levels to 11 feet above normal high tide, already the highest of the month due to a full moon. And forecasters said Sandy was likely to collide with a cold front and spawn a “superstorm” that could generate flash floods and snowstorms.

  45. Elaine,

    We are hundreds of miles removed from you here on Lake Erie in Ohio and the weather is god-awful. We have downed trees and utility polls, roads closed with sustained high winds and rain and worse is predicted over night.

    It’s bad for us; I can’t even imagine what it’s like for you.

  46. I expect NYC and Atlantic City to go out with travel campaigns aimed at attracting EU tourists to next year’s Hurricane. Problem is that “No Hurricane=No Pay” guarantees will no insurance company offer coverage on.
    Some are even now negotiating selling footage to Hollywood of the “Storm of the Century”.

    Where’s the cold front? Any news from Chicago on whether a front has passed?

    Thank goodness for the 12 foot stone/concrete seawall where I was on the Jersey coast in 1960.

  47. Blouise,

    I’m not at home. I came up to my daughter’s house–which is not near the coast–yesterday because I didn’t want to be on the road today. My husband is taking care of things at home. At the moment, things are not too bad where I am. Things may get bad late tonight though.

  48. Elaine,

    I’m glad for you … give the baby a hug from me.

    We have a Halloween party at pre-school tomorrow followed by a sleep-over so grandparents and grandchild are very excited!

  49. Accdg NWS samples by me, sustained winds seem to be about the same, ca 50 mph, from Washington to NYC.

    The cold front has apparently sneaked in by the south back door, with near freezing reports from Raleigh, NC.

    Chicag os mild but windy. NYC also warm.

  50. Blouise,

    We had a Halloween party here on “the farm” on Saturday. The weather was gorgeous. Julia wore the jack-o-lantern costume I got for her–and my daughter dressed up as a Teletubby.

  51. Elaine,

    You’d mentioned cooking for the party and I wondered if it was last Saturday.

    All trick-treat nights have been cancelled here and rescheduled for Sunday … just too much damage already and more expected.

  52. Blouise,

    I hope you have a great sleepover with the grandkids! It’ll be much easier for me when my husband and I finally make the move to “the farm.” Then I’ll see Julia every day!

  53. Our parents generation survived the great flu pandemic of 1918, the Great Depression and WW2. You’re all a bunch of babies. Ooooh, I think I saw a wind gust and my maple tree was bending!!! You’re parents and grandparents are just shaking their sensible heads from above. Buck up buttercups!

  54. nick,

    Those who died of the flu didn’t survive the pandemic.

    True or False?
    The influenza epidemic of 1918 killed more people than died in WWI.
    http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/influenza-epidemic/

    Excerpt:
    Hard as it is to believe, the answer is true.

    World War I claimed an estimated 16 million lives. The influenza epidemic that swept the world in 1918 killed an estimated 50 million people. One fifth of the world’s population was attacked by this deadly virus. Within months, it had killed more people than any other illness in recorded history.

    The plague emerged in two phases. In late spring of 1918, the first phase, known as the “three-day fever,” appeared without warning. Few deaths were reported. Victims recovered after a few days. When the disease surfaced again that fall, it was far more severe. Scientists, doctors, and health officials could not identify this disease which was striking so fast and so viciously, eluding treatment and defying control. Some victims died within hours of their first symptoms. Others succumbed after a few days; their lungs filled with fluid and they suffocated to death.

    The plague did not discriminate. It was rampant in urban and rural areas, from the densely populated East coast to the remotest parts of Alaska. Young adults, usually unaffected by these types of infectious diseases, were among the hardest hit groups along with the elderly and young children. The flu afflicted over 25 percent of the U.S. population. In one year, the average life expectancy in the United States dropped by 12 years.

  55. Ever been in a hurricane, nick?

    I kinda doubt it. I’ve been in three including Katrina. So I’m going to call bullshit on your tough guy gibberish. If you’re such a bad ass, you should go get in the path of this storm right away so you can give it the what-for. If you’d ever been in a hurricane you’d know better than to talk that shit, skippy. Tornadoes – and I’ve seen too many of those to count – are like Mother Nature throwing a fit. Bad enough but it’s over pretty quick. Hurricanes, by comparison, are like Mother Nature is on a 70’s style Charles Bronson vendetta against you and everyone and everything around you . . . for days. It’s non-stop sideways rain and relentless wind that just chips away at and shred everything in its path. It will remind you real quick that in the face of nature’s fury, men are small things indeed. If you doubt this, please, do head to the coast. You’ll be disabused of your foolish misconceptions real quick.

  56. Hurricane Sandy morphs into winter cyclone as massive storm’s reach spreads
    Seth Borenstein, Canadian Press
    Oct 29, 2012 8:27 PM
    http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/10/29/hurricane-sandy-morphs-into-winter-cyclone-as-massive-storms-reach-spreads/

    Excerpt:
    The storm called Sandy messily morphed from hurricane into hybrid storm, losing the hurricane part of its name, but not the weather mayhem surrounding it.

    The National Hurricane Center officially pronounced the storm a “post-tropical” cyclone Monday evening, as the centre of Sandy perched 32 miles south of Atlantic City, knocking at the coast’s door. The change is part of a transition into a more diffuse storm that is bigger and sloppier, even as its force weakened.

    Sandy continues to merge with what was once two cold weather systems already dumping snow in West Virginia, forming what the hurricane centre calls post-tropical and others call Frankenstorm or Perfect Storm 2. Whatever name it visits as, it isn’t leaving the Eastern U.S. anytime soon.

    The storm lost its status as hurricane because it no longer has a warm core centre nor the convection — the upwards air movement in the eye — that traditional hurricanes have, but it is still as dangerous as it was when it was considered a hurricane, according to National Hurricane Center spokesman Dennis Feltgen. It tipped into the post-tropical category because it has become “devoid of thunderstorms near the centre,” said Ed Rappaport, deputy director of the NHC.

    That should mean a storm that is larger in physical dimensions affecting more people, but with weaker peak winds, meteorologists say.

    Sandy already had been among the largest-sized hurricanes with tropical force winds that once extended across 1,000 miles over open ocean. Meteorologist Jeff Masters of Weather Underground said that as a hybrid, Sandy’s wind damage will be even wider. High wind warnings extend from the Canadian border to central Florida and from Chicago to Maine, he said. But those winds will be less intense than those around the eye of a hurricane.

  57. Hello Elaine M.

    yes thank you the weather is not bad up here… thank you for your concern… sitting here watching the news as I type and yes NY and NJ are getting slammed… big storm…. was in Ice storm up here 2 years ago cook on wood stove… no power for 2 weeks… no fun at all… so I am sure we are all thinking about those in Sandy’s path…. thank you

  58. Elaine

    Yes it was crazy… I was sitting in the recliner and I thought the cat was crawling up the back of the chair… the chair was shaking … a friend called and said did you feel that earth quake… in Maine lol

    Watching the storm on TV also… yes the scenes are bad….. we had that ice storm 2 years ago… National guard was in Hubbardston Ma… that was scary… Rt 68 in Hubbardston Ma.. was a tunnel of ice from the trees bent over… no power for 10 days … that was my first winter back here after 27 years…. cooking on wood stove…. headed back south in 15 days….

    I was working in New Orleans after the Hurricane hit there… it was bad… so much destruction, I worked it for 4 weeks… never had seen anything like it…. there was 8 of us from the Sheriff’s office that went to help out… sad sad… I hope all are doing Ok in NY and NJ… it will pass and everyone will come together…. and help one another…. its just what we do…

  59. What Gene said about taking hurricane and tropical storm weather events seriously. I am old enough to remember Camille. There were dozens of people along the Gulfport and Biloxi area who decided to stay put and have hurricane parties. Their bodies are still missing after 43 years.

    After Katrina, there was nothing left of southern Mississippi south of Interstate 10. A friend of mine flying SAR patrol saw something blue in what had been a pine forest about ten miles inland. He dropped down to about five hundred feet to check it out. It was a 68 foot shrimp boat. Ten miles from the coast. It will stay there because there is no way to get it out other than to cut it up into small pieces for scrap, and that is impossible in the thicket of fallen pine trees out in the middle of nowhere. Look up Interstate 10 on a map of Mississippi and Louisiana. Everything south of that, and east of New Orleans was gone.

    This monster is so strange there are no computer models for it.

    Low pressure in the range of at 940 millibars, which is a scary fact all by itself. Pressure that low helps drive the heat engine that is a hurricane, and that thing is feeding off heat from the warm Gulf Stream. Wind field half again as big as Katrina. High tide at a full moon to enhance the storm surge. Then wrapping around the backside is a deep cold front coming down from Canada which is why the rain is turning to snow and ice as far south as the southern Appalachians. Remember, in the northern hemisphere, rotation around a low pressure area is counter-clockwise. So the warm air from the Gulf Stream is ending up in Canada, and cold arctic air is being sucked down across the entire country east of the Mississippi River. I just read there have been a number of deaths.

    Yeah, nick, we are just a bunch of nervous Nellies. I learned to read a barometer before I got out of the first grade. It was a matter of survival. What Gene said.

  60. In New York, NOAA buoy 44065 at the entrance to New York harbor registered wave heights at 31 feet at a period of 15 seconds at 6:50 pm EDT. At 8:50 pm buoy wave heights peaked at 32.5 feet.

    FDNY is overwhelmed. This tweet was late this afternoon: “MAN 2-ALARM 92 8TH AVE, MULTIPLE DWELLING BUILDING COLLAPSE.”

    Reports are coming in that thousands are trapped in buildings downtown. Some subways are filling up with water. Salt water is not good for the electronic sensors and electrical connections in the subways. One firefighter is reported dead in CT. There have been a number of deaths reported, but the numbers keep changing. FDNY says they will no longer respond to new emergency calls for the time being. They are maxed out and have run out of reserves. I have seen a couple of photos of emergency vehicles sitting in deep water.

    So much for all us nervous Nellies who need to get a grip.

  61. Hurricane Sandy: Storm surge floods NYC tunnels, cuts power to city
    Nearly a million New Yorkers were without power as hurricane Sandy made landfall Monday night. Subway tunnels, the waterfront, and the financial district flooded.
    By Jennifer Peltz and Tom Hays, Associated Press / October 29, 2012
    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/1029/Hurricane-Sandy-Storm-surge-floods-NYC-tunnels-cuts-power-to-city

    Excerpt:
    New York
    Much of New York was plunged into darkness Monday by a superstorm that overflowed the city’s historic waterfront, flooded the financial district and subway tunnels and cut power to nearly a million people.

    The city had shut its mass transit system, schools, the stock exchange and Broadway and ordered hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers to leave home to get out of the way of the superstorm Sandy as it zeroed in on the nation’s largest city.

    Residents spent much of the day trying to salvage normal routines, jogging and snapping pictures of the water while officials warned the worst of the storm had not hit.

    By evening, a record 13-foot storm surge was threatening Manhattan’s southern tip, howling winds had sent a crane hanging from a high-rise, and utilities deliberately darkened part of downtown Manhattan to avoid storm damage.

    Water lapped over the seawall in Battery Park City, flooding rail yards, subway tracks, tunnels and roads. Rescue workers floated bright orange rafts down flooded downtown streets, while police officers rolled slowly down the street with loudspeakers telling people to go home.

  62. Following JT on Twitter. They’re in a blizzard in Marion, Va. I suggest taking I-81 to I-64 to Charlottesville, then 29 north.

  63. Otteray,

    Just a lot of hype…right?

    *****

    Hurricane Sandy’s Waters Flood Blacked-Out New York City
    By Esme E. Deprez, Peter S. Green and Brian Chappatta
    Oct 29, 2012 10:30 PM
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-30/hurricane-sandy-blacks-out-skyscrapers-neighborhoods.html

    Excerpt:
    Hurricane Sandy sent floodwater gushing into New York’s five boroughs, submerging cars and plunging skyscrapers and neighborhoods into darkness.

    The storm was shaping up to be among the worst in city history, rivaling the blizzards of 1888 and 1947. Two deaths were reported in Queens and more than 300,000 were without power as of 10 p.m., according to Consolidated Edison Inc. (ED), which cut electricity to protect underground equipment. New York University evacuated its hospital and there were reports of flooding in subway stations.

    “We knew that this was going to be a very dangerous storm and the storm has met our expectations,” said Mayor Michael Bloomberg at a news briefing. “The worst of the weather has come and the city certainly is feeling the impacts.”

    After the storm’s tide crested about 8 p.m., the East River topped its seawall in the Financial District and flowed up Wall Street in a torrent that turned avenues into canals and intersections into lakes. Flooding took over Brooklyn’s Red Hook neighborhood, submerging cars to the roof, while the Gowanus Canal overflowed and tree limbs plummeted. A downed power line sparked a fire in the beachfront Queens neighborhood of the Rockaways and the sea topped Coney Island’s boardwalk.

  64. JT tweets that he made it to Marion, Va by 7:00 p.m. but had to stop due to blizzard conditions. Marion is in Smyth County about 5.5 hours in normal driving time from JT’s home. I hope he was able to get a room at the Francis Marion Hotel. He reports the kids are fine and they have power.

  65. I had figured he would run into blizzard conditions somewhere just north of Abingdon. Glad he could find lodging in Marion. That is just about where the NWS said the southern end of where blizzard conditions would prevail. Blowing snow, wind and almost zero visibility was the forecast.

  66. Nal:

    Not sure he could get far enough north on I-81 to reach I-64. That intersection is near Fishersville. He could try to get to Roanoke and take 460 East and then head north towards Richmond but that would be dicey, too.

  67. Mespo and Nal,
    I want to echo Gene’s thanks for keeping us up to date on Prof. Turley’s ride home! I hope the snow stops so that he can be reunited with his kids!

  68. I’m a non-twit and proud of it.

    Glad to hear the kids have power and hope they all get some sleep tonight.

    Tex made it home in one piece and told me he was the only on the road for miles dodging downed trees. He’s a buttercup.

  69. Two thoughts at days end.

    1. Jonathan must be one hell of a driver to have gotten as far as he did.

    2. Nick, rarely in life do we get to see someone :) totally hoisted on his own petard, in so short a span of time. I hope your bottom doesn’t hurt too much. :)

  70. Here is the NWS weather forecast for Marion, VA. It is in three parts. Times for each bulletin is: 8:57PM for the Winter storm warning, 9:04PM for the high wind warning, and 4:35PM for the hazardous weather outlook. All times EST.

    Looks as if the worst part of the storm will last throughout the day tomorrow, and easing up on Wednesday morning. He needs to be very careful if he decides to drive tomorrow. Get-home-itis can be a fatal disease…even if that Jeep is a 4×4.

  71. I am now kicking myself. I only live a few miles off I-81, and knew full well he was not going to make it much further than Washington or Smythe County once he passed the VA line. I would have been happy to meet them and treat them to dinner when they came through this area. I am sure he and his family will not want to repeat this adventure anytime soon, but the invitation still stands.

  72. OS As you know get home its has killed more pilots than most any other cause. I hope he realizes that and acts accordingly.

  73. ARE, I was thinking that exact same thing when I wrote what I did. And here in these mountains, the automobile wrecks tend to look more like plane crashes than what one thinks of as a car wreck. If the kids are safe, have power and enough to eat, then then the cost of the nanny for an extra day plus hotel is a small price to pay for actually making it home in one piece.

  74. Left NC about 11:30 am. Arrived NYS safely. Rain all the way. Worst was getting out of the car in MD to pump gas. Thought I would be blown away by the wind and rain. No other difficulties.

  75. CNN’s crawl is reporting 6.5 million people without power from Virginia through Maine, at least 3 million in New York and New Jersey, also 1+ foot of snow in the mountains of West Virginia, 13 deaths. Blizzard conditions, snow, flooding, thunderstorms (depending on the area/state) through Tuesday and into Wednesday, MSNBC is reporting 7 million + without power.

    Be safe people.

    Plan accordingly Professor, be safe.

  76. Not queationing the Professor’s wisdom, but wonder why he chose to drive north on the Appalachian range?
    It may be of Interstate quality, but snow and wind were guaranteed in those locales.

    Glad they stopped and hopefully have hotel. Condx will continue to be hazardous through the Virginia piedmont area.

    Hope we get good news from all today, Tuesday.

    I crossed them at night on ordinary roads in a fog, 1962. Gave up when could not see the road. Same occurs here in snowstorms. We call it a “white-out”.

  77. Morning…… all is good up here in woods of Maine ….. it hit more in the southern parts of Maine but not bad… NY…NJ..not so lucky… thinking of all up north…. watching the clean up on the news this morning…

    Its 60 outside at this time…. very unusually for Maine at this time of the year…

    New Jersey Governor Chris Christie speaking now… major flooding and searching for people… so sad prays are with them… seeing pic now… so much flooding…. guess the Governor is not happy with the Mayor… of Atlantic City giving mixed messages..and now they are searching for people that stayed… the Governor said get out…. guess they should have listened to the Governor….

    Prays for all the people

  78. Huffington Post Outage

    Due to power outages caused by Superstorm Sandy, our own website is experiencing technical difficulties. We are working around the clock to get the site back to normal. The news team, which has offices around the U.S. and in other countries, is still monitoring everything and will be updating this page with the latest on the storm. We will also update our social media accounts.
    http://status.huffingtonpost.com/

  79. Elaine, My grandmother and my primary care doc’s grandma both lived through the flu pandemic of 1918 . We discussed how that real crisis changed people’s lives. She suggested I read The Great Flu Pandemic by John M. Barry to see how that tragedy changed medicine and the government’s relationship to medicine. It’s a fascinatig read.

    Gene, I have lived through several hurricanes[grew up in Ct. and was on Cape Cod for one] and worked in the Susquehanna Valley in the aftermath of Hurrican Agnes in 1972. My college apartment was under water. I moved back to Wilkes-Barre from Ct. for the summer to clean up our apartment, help my girlfriend’s family, and worked cleanup crews during the day. It was a long, hot, tiring summer that taught me a lot. I learned the Salvation Army are truly good people who care, the Red Cross is a company who doesn’t. I ate spam 3 times a day for over a month until refridgeration came back online. I saw the devestation, the stink, AND THE MUD. You would scrub and scrub and when the water dried there was still mud. I saw how money pours into a disaster area during an election year almost as fast as the rain did. I saw the waste and corruption that ensues. But you see Gene, while I personally understand losing worldly possessions I never forget they are just that..temporal. People saved family photos and the things that mean most. You have a pity party for a few days and then you get back to work. People who recover emotionally from a disaster are the people who don’t allow it to define them.

  80. Gene,

    Where’s the tough guy this morning?

    We were fortunate and missed the brunt of the storm. I am very thankful for that. I’m no chicken little. I’ve lived through a number of hurricanes and mega-blizzards in my lifetime too. I believe in storm preparedness. My husband too. He was an electrical lineman for more than a decade. He watched homes being washed into the sea during big storms.

  81. nick,

    Then quite simply you should know better than to make light of a hurricane. It’s not a matter of how one recovers. They’re inherently dangerous and only a fool takes them lightly.

    Elaine,

    I’m glad Sandy diffused as it came ashore. As bad as it has been for parts of the East Coast, it could have been much much worse. I’m a big fan of storm preparedness too. Even then with a hurricane, sometimes it’s just best to get out of the way if you can. That’s what happened with Katrina. The strength was questionable already. It didn’t look like the kind you choose to sit out unless you had no choice. Then the tracking data starting rolling in. Before they called for an mandatory evacuation, I was already inland. The projections made it look like the eye was going to park on Lake Pontchartrain (plus or minus 10 degrees) which a direct hit to the lake is a worst case scenario for New Orleans. It would literally move the lake into the city. Fortunately it came in a little further east than the last predictions we were operating from when we decided to bolt. We had just enough time to secure things and get out ahead of the rush. We were almost to Baton Rouge when they announced evacuation. As it was, nothing was lost to water except one car we lacked a driver for, but considering how many people on the east side and lower West Bank lost everything they had in that one, it’s a loss I’ll take with no complaint.

  82. Glad Professor Turley and Leslie are able to make their way toward home. I have been watching the NWS maps and it looks as if the further east they get from the I-81 corridor, the less snow there will be. Of course, there will be wind damage, but that should not be a problem unless there are trees across the road. The biggest danger now is being at the mercy of the worst drivers on the road. There will be plenty of those.

    Everyone stay safe. I now have to leave for a mountain community which is at an elevation about 1,200 feet higher than where I am now. It is 34 degrees with mixed rain and snow here. The dry adiabatic lapse rate is 3.75 degrees F (2 degrees C) for every thousand feet of elevation. Therefore, I expect to hit snow and ice about ten miles out of town. Hopefully the salt trucks and snowplows will have cleared the road. I will drop a note when I get back.

  83. “I fear that the outrage about Romney wanting to eliminate FEMA will make us forget he wants to eliminate Planned Parenthood & healthcare. ” Andy Borowitz, the Borowitz Report.

  84. Columbus Voters Turn Out Amid Rain, But Cleveland Hit Worse
    Benjy Sarlin 10:08 AM EDT, Tuesday October 30, 2012

    “Hurricane Sandy’s electoral impact seems muted so far in Columbus, Ohio, where the Washington Post reports that early voting reached its peak on Monday despite rain. But the Democrats’ stronghold in Cleveland took the brunt of the storm and many are without power as high winds continue throughout the day. Democrats need to run up big margins in the county to win, so any disruption of early voting could potentially affect their chances in Ohio.” TPM

  85. Swarthmore mom,

    EXCLUSIVE: Romney Campaign Training Poll Watchers To Mislead Voters In Wisconsin
    By Scott Keyes
    Oct 30, 2012
    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/10/30/1106961/romney-wisconsin-poll-watchers/

    Excerpt:
    Mitt Romney’s campaign has been training poll watchers in Wisconsin with highly misleading — and sometimes downright false — information about voters’ rights.

    Documents from a recent Romney poll watcher training obtained by ThinkProgress contain several misleading or untrue claims about the rights of Wisconsin voters. A source passed along the following packet of documents, which was distributed to volunteers at a Romney campaign training in Racine on October 25th. In total, six such trainings were held across the state in the past two weeks.

    One blatant falsehood occurs on page 16 of the training packet, which informed poll watchers that any identification cards from a voter “must include a photo”, despite the fact that Wisconsin’s voter ID law has been blocked by multiple state judges for this election.

    The training also encouraged volunteers to deceive election workers and the public about who they were associated with. On page 5 of the packet, Romney poll workers were instructed to hide their affiliation with the campaign and told to sign in at the polls as a “concerned citizen” instead. As Kristina Sesek, Romney’s legal counsel who just graduated from Marquette Law School last year, explained, “We’re going to have you sign in this election cycle as a ‘concerned citizen.’ We’re just trying to alleviate some of the animosity of being a Republican observer up front.”

  86. Sandy’s aftermath, state-by-state
    More than 7.5 million homes and businesses were put in the dark and at least 18 people died
    By Associated Press
    http://www.salon.com/2012/10/30/sandys_devastation_state_by_state/

    Excerpt:
    The massive storm that started out as Hurricane Sandy slammed into the East Coast and morphed into a huge and problematic system, putting more than 7.5 million homes and businesses in the dark and causing at least 18 deaths. Here’s a snapshot of what is happening, state by state.

    CAROLINAS

    North Carolina Gov. Beverly Perdue expanded a state of emergency to western North Carolina, which could see a foot of snow. A woman who was pulled from the Atlantic after abandoning a tall ship died. Power outages: 6,600.

    CONNECTICUT

    The Long Island Sound flooded roads as the storm toppled trees and power lines Two people died, including an Easton firefighter who was killed when a tree fell on his truck. Power outages: More than 615,000.

    DELAWARE

    Nearly all residents of flood-prone coastal communities in Kent County heeded calls to evacuate. The Rehoboth Beach and Dewey Beach resort communities were flooded. Power outages: More than 45,000.

    ILLINOIS

    High wind warnings and a lakeshore flood warning are in effect Tuesday and Wednesday in Chicago. City officials said Lake Shore Drive is expected to remain open.

    KENTUCKY

    A winter storm warning is in effect for three southeastern counties until Wednesday. In some areas, winds could gust up to 50 mph through Tuesday.

    MAINE

    Wind gusts topped 60 mph, shutting down the port of Portland and knocking out power to homes and businesses. Power outages: More than 86,000.

    MARYLAND

    Floodwaters swamped touristy Ocean City. In western Maryland, snow tied up traffic. A falling tree killed a man in Pasadena. Power outages: 290,000.

    MASSACHUSETTS

    Strong winds and heavy surf led to mandatory evacuations in sections of coastal Dartmouth and Fall River and voluntary evacuations in other coastal communities. Power outages: More than 300,000.

    MICHIGAN

    High winds knocked out power to at least 60,000 homes and businesses.

    NEW HAMPSHIRE

    Politicians canceled visits to the presidential swing state on Monday. Power outages: 179,000.

    NEW JERSEY

    The center of the storm came ashore Monday evening near Atlantic City, which was cut off from the mainland by the storm surge along with other barrier islands, stranding residents who ignored warnings to evacuate. Hundreds of people were being evacuated after a levee broke in the northern New Jersey town of Moonachie. At least three deaths were reported. Power outages: More than 2.3 million.

    NEW YORK

    A record storm surge that was higher than predicted along with high winds damaged the electrical system and plunged millions of people into darkness. Utilities say it could be up to a week before power is fully restored. The governor’s office said there were five storm-related deaths. A fire burned 50 houses in one flooded section of Queens. Power outages: More than 1.8 million.

    OHIO

    The Cleveland area and northeast Ohio were being slammed with rain and high winds. Snow was reported in some parts south of Cleveland and south of Columbus. Power outages: More than 250,000.

    PENNSYLVANIA

    Wind and flooding closing more than 200 bridges and roads. Four people died, including an 8-year-old boy who was killed when a tree limb fell on him. Power outages: 1.2 million.

  87. What Happens When a Frankenstorm Hits the Madhouse
    By Charles P. Pierce
    at 10:27AM

    In case we all lose all electrical power, and are all deafened by the derisive laughter from above of millions of long-dead Mayans, I thought I’d make this point as clearly as I can before I wind up blogging with chalk on the back of the family coal scuttle.

    Anybody who says they know how this gigantic weather event is going to “impact the election” is lying to you. Nobody knows anything on this one. Certainly, there are practical considerations. There are several states in the path of the storm — Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Virginia, again — that have Republican governors empowered to create and maintain states of emergency. (Not that I suspect that any of them would use those powers to partisan advantage. Oh, no, not I.) It can play havoc with the popular vote in the most populous areas of the country, increasing the possibility of a popular vote/electoral vote split, and all the lovely civility that will surely result from such an eventuality. And, let us never forget, Our Nation’s Capital reacts to even the gentlest touch of bad weather with all the cool aplomb of a food riot. (Three inches of snow and they’re cutting up goats on a rock in Lafayette Park.) This storm is punching Washington right in the pundits. It is entirely possible that the entire government-media-political industrial complex will shut down for several days. This may or may not be a bad thing.

    However, as to the campaign itself, and taking as axiomatic that almost anything can “impact” an election as close as this one apparently is shaping up to be, there’s absolutely no telling what the effect of massive four-day weather event in the middle of this week will have on the events of the middle of next week. Certainly, in situations like this, the president has several trump cards he can play simply by virtue of being the incumbent. He can act as president. He can engage FEMA and the rest of the federal disaster apparatus to help those governors, Republican and Democratic, who are in the path of the storm. (He just might be in more pictures with Chris Christie over the next week than with Joe Biden.) He can demonstrate, top to bottom, by example, why “leaving it to the states” and, worse, “the private sector can do it better” are empty platitudes. The storm is hitting 12 states. This is something we need to do as one country. (And, also not for nothing, but Paul Ryan’s “budgets” would eviscerate our ability to do this.) The president can enlist Christie, or Tom Corbett in Pennsylvania, or Mitch McConnell in flood-prone Kentucky, or Bob McDonnell and Eric Cantor in Virginia, in that effort, and they will have no real way to avoid it. In fact, here’s Cantor, being a fool last year about the people who were flooded out by Hurricane Irene….

    House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) said “if there is support for a supplemental, it would be accompanied by support for having pay-fors to that supplemental.”

    (Okay, float away, foof. See if I care. Reason No. Infinity why I never will be president.)

    The problem, of course, is that a good piece of the political opposition doesn’t recognize this president as president when the sun’s shining. The people who will tell you that disaster relief is best left to the states, or to the private sector, are going be howling at the White House if some cat isn’t brought down from a tree in Cape May in less than five minutes. There are a thousand things that can go unavoidably wrong in a situation like this. It is the most fertile environment imaginable for unpredictability. The good news for the president is that he’s in charge. The bad news for the president is that he’s in charge, and the opposition is still truthless, and demented.

    Here’s the last thing that I’d like to throw out there before we all go 1856 all over for a while. This entire campaign has been fought out over the issue of whether or not we are all members of a viable political commonwealth with implicit mutual obligations to act through our government — a self-government that is, or ought to be, the purest creative project of that commonwealth — for the common good, or whether that government is a some sort of alien entity repressing our fundamental entrepreneurial energy. Over the next few days, I believe, we are going to see that argument brought to the sharpest point possible. If you want to see how this event will “impact the election,” look to what answer to that question emerges from the storm. It will tell us a lot about the election, and about ourselves.

  88. Nick. nick spinelli1, October 29, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    Prediction: This will not be nearly the disaster hyped by cable tv and news and weather who are trying to scare the shit out of you just so they can sell you soap, soda, autos, etc. We are fast becoming a culture of scared lemmings. “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!” Howard Beale.
    Scared lemmings react as a result of unfounded fear. This, as has been repeatedly posted here, was not a false alarm.
    Death, destruction, power outages that are expected to last for a long period of time, heck, that’s nothin to me I guess is what you are saying. Nothing as long as you were not involved.
    There was panic mongering by the media, even today Matt Lauer says there was “panic” in the NYC streets about the crane that had it fell could well have become a missile (but hey Nick what’s a potential projectile missile – they should have stayed out on the streets, those darn NYC lemmings.)
    Both sides are valid. Over reacting: when they say bad snowstorms here in Phila area people act as though they will be stranded for months and buy out the milk, etc. and some stations stay on for hours when it is a nothing incident.
    Underreacting and staying in your homes despite evacuation orders putting not only yourself, and poss. family at risk but also putting those who selflessly come to rescue you at great risk.
    Ibn this instance no one, absent the media before it hit – graphics saying Major electrical outages may take weeks to fix – before there was any outtage and Lauer as example saying “panic” when tghat was not the case
    Officials did not overreact but wanted to do what was the best and safest for the people of their areas.

  89. Sandy takes down Huffington Post, Gawker websites
    Reuters
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/sandy-takes-down-huffington-post-121526237.html

    Excerpt:
    REUTERS – Sandy, one of the biggest storms ever to hit eastern United States, flooded servers of Datagram Inc in New York City, bringing down several media websites it hosts, including Huffington Post and Gawker.

    “We are continuing to battle flooding and fiber outages in downtown New York and Connecticut,” a notice posted on Datagram’s website said. http://r.reuters.com/wat63t

    “Verizon and other carriers in the area are down as well. Generators are unable to pump fuel due to the flooding in the basements,” Datagram said.

    New York-based Datagram offers server-hosting services, network and Web application support, and database administration.

    Sandy, which was especially imposing because of its wide-raging winds, brought a record surge of almost 14 feet (4.2 meters) to downtown Manhattan, well above the previous record of 10 feet (3 meters) during Hurricane Donna in 1960, the National Weather Service said.

  90. SwM,

    hugs, for here comea an “ElaineM” for you.
    The Charles P Pierce thingy was from October 29th, not 30th. No malice intended, only a joke between us.

    found it anyway.. The main thing for me was to find a new fun blogger. Thanks.

  91. Swarthmore mom,

    More from Charlie Pierce on our former governor:

    Governor Romney After the (2006) Flood: Not Good
    By Charles P. Pierce
    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/mitt-romney-mothers-day-floods-2006-14260979

    Now that he’s again decided to mention (obliquely) that he was our governor once, and we’re all up here in the Commonwealth (God save it!) being awakened by the sweet sounds of woodchippers in our streets, we should look back at the one natural disaster (locally, anyway, Katrina being a whole ‘nother story) that occurred while Willard Romney was still nominally governor of Massachusetts: the great Mother’s Day floods of 2006.

    The entire region was under flood warnings, but the problem was especially acute along the Merrimack River, especially in the city of Lowell, where Romney’s response was considered, well, leaky. The right-leaning Lowell Sun was particularly displeased.

    We find it inconceivable that Gov. Mitt Romney claims the state can do nothing to help those residents still struggling to rebuild homes and businesses after the May flood. Massachusetts is sitting on millions in unspent emergency funds from Hurricane Katrina and more than $1 billion in cash reserves, yet Romney has failed to even respond to the Lowell delegation’s requests to discuss additional aid for victims. The governor’s spokesman — since Romney can’t be bothered to comment now that the photo opportunities have dried up even though some residents’ basements haven’t — said the state will not consider spending its own money for flood victims until it’s clear how much cash the federal government will give.

    Then, he joined several of his predecessors in being something of a deadbeat:

    Governor John Lynch today wrote Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney to tell him that New Hampshire will take legal action if Massachusetts doesn’t act to pay the $3.2 million it owes New Hampshire communities for flood control dams. “Nearly 50 years ago, New Hampshire communities agreed to sacrifice land and future property tax revenues in order to build flood control dams to help protect the people of Massachusetts. We saw during the floods of Mother’s Day Weekend just how valuable those dams were in saving lives and property,” Governor Lynch said. “Yet despite the proven value of these dams to the citizens of Massachusetts, Massachusetts is still reneging on the commitments it made when our two states established the flood control system,” Governor Lynch said. “It’s time for Massachusetts to meet its obligations and pay what it owes New Hampshire, or we will take legal action.” New Hampshire and Massachusetts entered the Merrimack River Valley Flood Control Compact in 1957. Under the Compact, Massachusetts agreed to reimburse New Hampshire 70 percent of the amount of property taxes lost because of the acquisition and ownership of the dams and reservoirs comprising the Merrimack River Valley Flood Control Project. Massachusetts made no payment to New Hampshire in 1994, only partial payments from 1995 to 2002, and has not paid anything since 2003.

    That would track with Governors Weld, Cellucci, and Romney, Republicans all, by the way.

    At the time, Romney pretty much had given up his job as governor and was gearing up for the seven-year run at the presidency that will climax, one way or the other, next Tuesday night. He was just beginning the job of polishing up his conservatism, and abdicating on government flood relief was one of the first steps he took in that direction. (This is the very public process that he’s now pretending didn’t happen. Not even last spring, when he was talking about chloroforming FEMA, which he now says he didn’t mean.) At the same time, he was using the federal government as alibi, scapegoat and ATM machine. Look, America, we here in the Commonwealth (God save it!) may not know much, even though we occasionally act like we know everything, but, trust us. We know this guy. There’s a reason why he’s going to lose this state by more than 20 points. The only thing about him that you can depend on is that there’s never any room in the lifeboat for The Help.

  92. Incredible. Just shows what propaganda can achieve. Change positions many times and folks believe that you mean what they want you to mean. Can that be true? What does Bernay and Rove say?

  93. “Look, America, we here in the Commonwealth (God save it!) may not know much, even though we occasionally act like we know everything, but, trust us. We know this guy. There’s a reason why he’s going to lose this state by more than 20 points. The only thing about him that you can depend on is that there’s never any room in the lifeboat for The Help.” -Charlie Pierce

    Thanks for the link/article Elaine M. Somebody could use in an ad.

  94. SWM really lucked out. I see nothing on our street and only a big roof shingle down on my grounds(hoping its not mine) How about there? (youmay have said and I missed it)

  95. Elaine, You can’t get too worried about those hurricanes that very well could be produced by climates changes ;) Then, you might have to spend some government money on infrastructure..

  96. Editorial
    A Big Storm Requires Big Government
    Published: October 29, 2012
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/30/opinion/a-big-storm-requires-big-government.html

    Most Americans have never heard of the National Response Coordination Center, but they’re lucky it exists on days of lethal winds and flood tides. The center is the war room of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, where officials gather to decide where rescuers should go, where drinking water should be shipped, and how to assist hospitals that have to evacuate.

    Disaster coordination is one of the most vital functions of “big government,” which is why Mitt Romney wants to eliminate it. At a Republican primary debate last year, Mr. Romney was asked whether emergency management was a function that should be returned to the states. He not only agreed, he went further.

    “Absolutely,” he said. “Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better.” Mr. Romney not only believes that states acting independently can handle the response to a vast East Coast storm better than Washington, but that profit-making companies can do an even better job. He said it was “immoral” for the federal government to do all these things if it means increasing the debt.

    It’s an absurd notion, but it’s fully in line with decades of Republican resistance to federal emergency planning. FEMA, created by President Jimmy Carter, was elevated to cabinet rank in the Bill Clinton administration, but was then demoted by President George W. Bush, who neglected it, subsumed it into the Department of Homeland Security, and placed it in the control of political hacks. The disaster of Hurricane Katrina was just waiting to happen.

    The agency was put back in working order by President Obama, but ideology still blinds Republicans to its value. Many don’t like the idea of free aid for poor people, or they think people should pay for their bad decisions, which this week includes living on the East Coast.

    Over the last two years, Congressional Republicans have forced a 43 percent reduction in the primary FEMA grants that pay for disaster preparedness. Representatives Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor and other House Republicans have repeatedly tried to refuse FEMA’s budget requests when disasters are more expensive than predicted, or have demanded that other valuable programs be cut to pay for them. The Ryan budget, which Mr. Romney praised as “an excellent piece of work,” would result in severe cutbacks to the agency, as would the Republican-instigated sequester, which would cut disaster relief by 8.2 percent on top of earlier reductions.

    Does Mr. Romney really believe that financially strapped states would do a better job than a properly functioning federal agency? Who would make decisions about where to send federal aid? Or perhaps there would be no federal aid, and every state would bear the burden of billions of dollars in damages. After Mr. Romney’s 2011 remarks recirculated on Monday, his nervous campaign announced that he does not want to abolish FEMA, though he still believes states should be in charge of emergency management. Those in Hurricane Sandy’s path are fortunate that, for now, that ideology has not replaced sound policy.

  97. good guess we are both far enough away from Manayunk, etc.
    I passed Nutter giving a press conference last Friday about the possible flooding and thght too early and overreacting. Glad he was on top of it of warning people early

  98. Gene, You committed the sin that you often accuse others of committing. Based on my experiences described previously, and based on my general belief, you NEVER take Mother Nature “lightly” as you incorrectly characterized my assessment. I grew up near the ocean, and have lived in tornado alley. I SAID not to panic. You can drive your large ego between “taking hurricanes lightly” and “not panicking”, leaving room for your pomposity and stubborness to squeeze in also.

  99. Swarthmore mom,

    Here’s a story for you:

    Bush’s FEMA Director During Katrina Criticizes Obama For Responding To Sandy Too Quickly
    By Hayes Brown on Oct 30, 2012
    http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/30/1110901/bush-fema-director-katrina-hits-obama-sandy/

    Former FEMA Director Michael Brown offered criticism of President Obama’s early responses to Hurricane Sandy yesterday, including a dig at the administration’s response to last month’s attack in Libya.

    Yesterday, ahead of the storm’s pummeling of the eastern seaboard, Brown gave an interview to the local alternative paper, the Denver Westword, on how he believed the Obama administration was responding to Sandy too quickly and that Obama had spoken to the press about Sandy’s potential effect too early.

    Brown turned then to a reliable right-wing attack on the President’s response to the attack on a U.S. diplomatic outpost in Benghazi that killed four Americans:

    “One thing he’s gonna be asked is, why did he jump on [the hurricane] so quickly and go back to D.C. so quickly when in…Benghazi, he went to Las Vegas?” Brown says. “Why was this so quick?… At some point, somebody’s going to ask that question…. This is like the inverse of Benghazi.”

    Conservatives have been hitting Obama for weeks on his attendance at a fundraiser in Nevada following the assault in Benghazi, claiming at alternate times that the President either cared more about politics than lives lost or that he was trying to downplay the attack’s significance. Now the critique has mutated into a belief that Obama is currently “playing President” to score points during disaster relief in the run-up to the election, in contrast to his actions in September.

    Brown is not the only one making the insinuation that Obama and his administration are responding too quickly to Sandy only for political reasons. He’s joined in his accusations by such prominent right-wing commentators as former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and columnist Charles Krauthammer.

    However, Brown’s comments carry a special irony due to the role he played during the Hurricane Katrina debacle in 2005. As director of FEMA during the legendarily botched response, Brown, famously dubbed “Brownie” by President Bush, was in the center of criticism from both sides of the aisle that the Bush administration was too slow to respond. An internal review by the Department of Homeland Security’s Inspector-General following the disaster concluded, “Much of the criticism is warranted.” Brown resigned from his position as director less than two weeks after Katrina hit.

  100. nick,

    What was your prediction for the storm? Why call people worried about hurricane Sandy and concerned about storm preparations “buttercups” and “scared lemmings?”

  101. “Our parents generation survived the great flu pandemic of 1918, the Great Depression and WW2. You’re all a bunch of babies. Ooooh, I think I saw a wind gust and my maple tree was bending!!! You’re parents and grandparents are just shaking their sensible heads from above. Buck up buttercups!”

    Yeah, nick. How’s that tough guy thing working out for you? I didn’t mischaracterize your statements one damn bit. Just because you said “don’t panic” doesn’t mean you weren’t trying to minimize those expressing perfectly legitimate concerns in the face of a bad storm that could have been much worse. Buttercup. You put your foot in your mouth again. There was fallout. So suck it up, you big baby.

  102. “You’re all a bunch of babies. Ooooh, I think I saw a wind gust and my maple tree was bending!!! You’re parents and grandparents are just shaking their sensible heads from above. Buck up buttercups!”

    “Prediction: This will not be nearly the disaster hyped by cable tv and news and weather who are trying to scare the shit out of you just so they can sell you soap, soda, autos, etc.”

    “You have a pity party for a few days and then you get back to work. People who recover emotionally from a disaster are the people who don’t allow it to define them.”

    Seriously Nick,

    You really went overboard to downplay the danger and then diminished the feelings of those who will suffer from it. It was a display of callousness that I didn’t expect from you and frankly it surprised me, not in a positive way. My wife and I spent a very tense night worried about our children and grandchildren, who were in storm hit areas and without power. It really is nothing to joke about even if the press does hype many of these weather stories. I know from far too many personal experiences that life and death are a crap-shoot and I’m at least careful not to make fun of peoples fears.

  103. Wheee! You folks have been having fun while I slept.
    Taking it inversely, with joke and digs only, no real snarks, kindly, kindly please——

    Nick S. You now know whatit is like when ElaineM takes your own workds and gives you two black eyes. Bur you gored the bull. Not bad. When folks here say crap, you ask what color.

    ElaineM., It was a good article. We know here who digs them up faster than we can digest and think about them.
    And next time you can have your football party without my disturbing you. Now will you get off my butt. Are you moving to a farm? And close to the baby. It must be big now.

    SwM, The odd thing in NC is that one of the leading Repug organizers is a black man, grandfather a doctor ca 1900, whose name I forgot, but Wikied because he was handling Kochs’ money in the school board fight in Wake County.
    That is a problem because he certainly can fight the blacks who made “the” difference in 2008 in NC for Obama.
    Millionaire “black chain store” owner. How’s your damage? Haven’t seen you comment.

    Blouise, how is it on Lake EEEEERIE. Any tips on Ohio outcome? How are Romney’s Diebold voting machines doing with the latest software changes.

    Gene, I hope you left the keys in the abandoned car so a poor thief could take it and run an evacuation service for the blacks that Brownie left to their fate. What color do you paint a failure as FEMA director?

    And most of all, where is the Professor and his wife?

  104. I anticipated big winds and rain here. The rain is happening but fairly normal in amount but long duration. Very little wind. I haven’t gone out looking but the road that usually floods and gets closed is still open, so I’m guessing that there is little flooding. I’m grateful that it’s as gentle as it is.

    It’s amazing that my trip was as uneventful as it was. I drove north on rte 220 from Greensboro to Roanoke, then I81 to NYS. My intent was to beat the hurricane from the east and the snow from the west, somewhat expecting that the snow would stay in the mountains. If I were driving from NO, I’d have gone closer to Atlanta, then north, then east for the same reasons I thought I could make it on the route I chose. Speed limits were 45 mph in MD and PA, but not enforced. Tractor trailers, RVs, and motorcycles were banned from the highway. Slower speeds were a good idea b/c of the night and rain and construction but not too slow b/c so many chose to stay home that the traffic was very light.

    Hope the Turley’s are home safely now celebrating with hot chocolate and moon pies.

  105. You folks are creating a straw man..hypocrite Gene’s meme. I respect Mother Nature but I’m not a hand wringer or neurotic worrier like some of the folks here. I’ve been through tornadoes, hurricanes and earthquakes. I take common sense precautions. Now, tornadoes can be a mofo particularly when they hit in the middle of the night. Shortly after I moved to Wi. an F5 hit the town of Barneveld @ 2am. It literally wiped that town off the map and killed 13 people. As w/ Hurricane Agnes I volunteered and helped those folks cleanup. I damn near got killed in the flash flood in Kansas City in 1977. I didn’t heed the warnings and went to a Royals baseball game. Our car was swept away and we slept in a southside police station. That was on me and I accepted responsibility. I didn’t respect Mother Nature like I was taught by my parents. I will never make that mistake again.

    MikeS, save your lectures. I help people who need it. I was a Vista volunteer and I volunteer tutoring kids after school. All I said was this was overblown and based on the reports I was correct. More people are killed on a hot Summer weekend on the southside of Chicago than during this storm. Words are cheap and you folks are all talk. What the f@ck have you done? You’re pawn of the media that’s intent is not to save you but to scare you and sell you soap. Obviously they have a wide eyed audience here..scared, panicky lemmings.

  106. Nick you tout your bona fides as a wonderful person for whom helping others is just part of your natural wonderfulness.Your nastness, name calling undermines any of these that might or might not be true (it just seems odd that someone who helps those in need so often would also be as nasty as you can be, and are now)
    I rarely respond to snarkiness here but nothing was overblown. People died, lives and businesses, homes, towns ruined.
    Yes people die in Chicago, they die in Iraq, and elsewhere. That does not negate what has happened in the last few days as a result of mother nature (and some stupidity from people like yourself, in your Kansas anecdote, who were willing to potentially risk the lives and health of first responders by your actions)

  107. A straw man is materially misrepresenting the words of another so you can attack it, nick. We’re using your actual words to attack you. There is a difference. Why make things up when you gave us plenty of substantive ammo to start with? That doesn’t make sense. Your actual words show exactly what a callous putz you are, so we’ve been going with that theme.

    Buttercup.

  108. Nick,

    I was thinking the same thing after Rafflaw gave his 39 dead stat and thumbs up to MikeS. Wasn’t there a “savings” in the number of traffic deaths, etc. Ironic, of course. Not to be used as a regular practice (HUMOR HA HA)

    Now I am a worrier, if folks I know and love are in possible danger, then I am worried. I call, etc. So include me there.

    My weather esperiences are nothing compared to yours. Sitting through the eye of a 105 mph one in a brick Army armory behind steel-reinforced windows is a piece of cake.

    So why am I writing? Because I want to support you fully in the idea that we are manipulated by the media. And that is an old fact that is far more important than your or others’ attitudes to storm dangers

    As Dredd said, dragging science in as he is want to do, we have a systemic problem. And thank God Bill Clinton told the folks that Obama knows it is there and is doing, against great lobbying by anti-climate change corps, as much as is politically possible with this damn Congress.

    Media is bought, and will stay bought. And the psychologists will give them more and more effective control techniques to control us.

    I would make a prediction and maybe our psychologists can confirm. The tension of this hurricane week has tired us out. It has been near cathartic for some. This may lessen the voter turnout.

    As to how they are steering the voters by various techniques is a subject only the pros know, and CIA maybe.

  109. No sense telling adults what to do. It is their choice. So what is your kick in kicking NickS?
    NickS is NickS. And GeneH is GeneH. Do we have to spend our mental powers on heaping abuse on each other?
    Do as you please. It is your heartbeats you are spending.

    Here we were united following our blog leader on his homeward journey. And now we are monday-morning quartebacking each other’s plays on Sandy. Hmmmmm!

  110. Does anyone know where the Professor and his wife are now? Are they home. Someone said that they hoped so, eating moon pies and drinking hot chocolate. No word lately?

  111. How does trying to link Nick’s awful/thoughtless/callous statements with media influence in society help anything, id707? How do those two very different things have anything at all to do with one another?

  112. nick,

    “I respect Mother Nature but I’m not a hand wringer or neurotic worrier like some of the folks here.”

    Who are those that you have judged to be hand wringers and neurotic worriers–and what evidence do you have that these people are what you have judged them to be?

    *****

    You wrote the following to Mike S:

    “What the f@ck have you done? You’re pawn of the media that’s intent is not to save you but to scare you and sell you soap.”

    What proof do you have that Mike is a pawn of the media? You imply that Mike has done nothing to help people. How do you know that?

    *****

    “All I said was this was overblown and based on the reports I was correct.”

    What reports have you been reading? Can you provide links to them?

  113. Leejcarroll, I can think of few things more “nasty” or cowardly than calling someone a liar in the chickenshit, obtuse way in which you did. I have testified under oath many times and I consider myself under oath whenever I speak.

    Blind, I’m “awful/thoughtless/ callous.” I testified what I have done to help natural disaster victims and others. What about yourself?

    ID, You get my main point. That being supposedly intelligent people get played by media like a cheap guitar. You are a big picture person. Regarding victims, I have helped many victims. I’ve not yet heard one person say what they have done. What people say is window dressing. In my world we are defined by what we do. There are too many folks here who cannot say anything about what they do because they have done little, if anything. But, they sure can talk!!

  114. Disarray, Millions Without Power in Sandy’s Wake
    Associated Press
    Published: Oct 30, 2012, 7:48 PM EDT
    http://www.weather.com/news/weather-hurricanes/hurricane-sandy-winter-storm-20121025

    Excerpt:
    PITTSBURGH — The most devastating storm in decades to hit the country’s most densely populated region upended man and nature as it rolled back the clock on 21st-century lives, cutting off modern communication and leaving millions without power Tuesday as thousands who fled their water-menaced homes wondered when – if – life would return to normal.

    A weakening Sandy, the hurricane turned fearsome superstorm, killed at least 43 people, many hit by falling trees, and still wasn’t finished. It inched inland across Pennsylvania, ready to bank toward western New York to dump more of its water and likely cause more havoc Tuesday night. Behind it: a dazed, inundated New York City, a waterlogged Atlantic Coast and a moonscape of disarray and debris – from unmoored shore-town boardwalks to submerged mass-transit systems to delicate presidential politics.

    “Nature,” said New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, assessing the damage to his city, “is an awful lot more powerful than we are.”

    More than 8.2 million households were without power in 17 states as far west as Michigan (though the total outages had fallen to approximately 7 million Tuesday evening). Nearly 2 million of those were in New York, where large swaths of lower Manhattan lost electricity and entire streets ended up under water – as did seven subway tunnels between Manhattan and Brooklyn at one point, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority said. The New York Stock Exchange was closed for a second day from weather, the first time that has happened since a blizzard in 1888. The city’s subway system, the lifeblood of more than 5 million residents, was damaged like never before and closed indefinitely, and Consolidated Edison said electricity in and around New York could take a week to restore.

    “Everybody knew it was coming. Unfortunately, it was everything they said it was,” said Sal Novello, a construction executive who rode out the storm with his wife, Lori, in the Long Island town of Lindenhurst, and ended up with 7 feet of water in the basement…

    Images from around the storm-affected areas depicted scenes reminiscent of big-budget disaster movies. In Atlantic City, N.J., a gaping hole remained where once a stretch of boardwalk sat by the sea. In Queens, N.Y., rubble from a fire that destroyed as many as 100 houses in an evacuated beachfront neighborhood jutted into the air at ugly angles against a gray sky. In heavily flooded Hoboken, N.J., across the Hudson River from Manhattan, dozens of yellow cabs sat parked in rows, submerged in murky water to their windshields. At the ground zero construction site in lower Manhattan, sea water rushed into a gaping hole under harsh floodlights.

    One of the most dramatic tales came from lower Manhattan, where a failed backup generator forced New York University’s Tisch Hospital to relocate more than 200 patients, including 20 babies from neonatal intensive care. Dozens of ambulances lined up in the rainy night and the tiny patients were gingerly moved out, some attached to battery-powered respirators as gusts of wind blew their blankets.

    In Moonachie, N.J., 10 miles north of Manhattan, water rose to 5 feet within 45 minutes and trapped residents who thought the worst of the storm had passed. Mobile-home park resident Juan Allen said water overflowed a 2-foot wall along a nearby creek, filling the area with 2 to 3 feet of water within 15 minutes. “I saw trees not just knocked down but ripped right out of the ground,” he said. “I watched a tree crush a guy’s house like a wet sponge.”

    In a measure of its massive size, waves on southern Lake Michigan rose to a record-tying 20.3 feet. High winds spinning off Sandy’s edges clobbered the Cleveland area early Tuesday, uprooting trees, closing schools and flooding major roads along Lake Erie.

  115. nick:

    this storm caused a lot of destruction from what I can see. Lots of flooding, the east coast from Ocean City, MD to Long Island got hammered hard.

    Some people here are older and on fixed incomes, they dont need to donate anything. There goodwill is enough and they would probably help if they could. But you dont need to help people if it hurts you.

    If I was a young man with a job I would not want a retired person on a fixed income helping me to recover from this storm. Just them cheering me on would be enough contribution.

  116. You’ve all convinced me. I am a callous, thoughtless, mean, horrible man. Can we now give it up. I have to go kick some old ladies and kill some cats before I go to sleep.

  117. Nick: “Blind, I’m “awful/thoughtless/ callous.” I testified what I have done to help natural disaster victims and others. What about yourself?”

    Nick, how does what I do affect the your attempting to paint people talking and worrying about the very real dangers of a powerful storm as “chickenlittles” and all the other unfounded nonsense that you claimed?

    Can you not own your previous statements? If you meant what you said about hand wringing and chickenlittles, stand-up and defend your statements. How would my history of public service have any bearing on your claims? Thats total nonsense, Nick.

  118. Idealist707…………………….

    moon pies and hot Chocolate sounds really good………. does anyone know if Mr. Turley made it home safe ???

    wow interesting site here…. Can”t we all just get along…. :) love thy neighbor…. thank you for all the updates on storm… all safe up here in Maine ….headed south in 16 days…… heat wave… 63 today…

    OH the pic on the news are devastating… prays to all on the east coast this storm affected….

  119. The only one we should be concerned with are Turley and wife and Blouise, who had been caught in one of those offspring of a autumn storm type decaying hurricane.

    Why Elaine is still pushing it as a big storm is beyond me. That’s her privilege. And she teaches Nick as she has me the value of choosing your words carefully.

    We snarl at Nick now, almost have a gut feeling that it is due to disappointment that the climax was kinda anticlimatic. Yeah, it was big but not like Katrina. It did not wipe out the blacks in New Orleans and east of there which GeneH has attested to. And the rotten north section was ready to fall in Atlantic City, like the rest of it may be. Do the counting, but it sounds like disgruntlement to me.

    We had a big storm. And 39 died. None we know I hope. How many died in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, West Bank, Pakistan Swat valley yesterday?
    How many of our soldiers will die tomorrow?

    If Romney gets in with his Cheney/Ryan we don’t have much hope. Suicide pacts anyone?

    Do you realize that you are puppets of the media and our secret government? They showed Obama for the 15th time that he does not control what they do….
    How does it feel to be Prez and know that black ops are many more which are their than are yours.

    Have you understood Benghazi yet. It was a USA black ops team who did the consulate attack. Why? to humiliate Obama. (Romney releases attack bulletin 2 minutes, repeat 2 minutes after Hillary Clinton’s official speech.)

    Do you realize that the black ops team could have taken the consulate in 10 minutes max against one armed defender who was killed. Why did they keep shooting for 3 hours. To make a big press affair of it all, ie a political affair of it, to favor Romney.

    Thees are military facts. The consulate was not much better than a goatskin tent in the desert as a place to defend. A compound wall is a laugh. A sandsacked sentry post armed by a contracted guard is good for nothing in a fight.

    It was a CIA Hollywood production and don’t believe many here know this. Just like tha provocation film was a CIA production. The real protest at Benghazi was quiet and respectful, and chased away by our Black Ops team.

    Let me give a tip. Do like I did last night. Go read in Wikipedia the story of the attempted aasassination of Reagan. Who was Veep? HW poppy Bush. Who was a CIA asset before he was out of Yale? Bush Sr.
    Who was in Dallas the night before the assassination of JFK? HW Bush, ie Senior. Who set up Nixon with Watergate and helped feed his paranoia, and that of his Congressional senate investigators. Poppy Bush. Did you know he was appointed as the Nixon post-72 RNC chairman.
    And who is cozy with Romney? Poppy.

    So understand that we have had lots of Manchurian candidates who have taken the fall for various assassinations, including those of RFK and MLKjr.
    The Reagan one fits the pattern, as does Chapman who did the Lennon killing.

    Hope you vote for Obama.

    How we can get a shootout between the CIA and FBI is a problem lefr to be solved. I mean that so they destroy each other.

  120. New York City Subway Flooding: 7 East River Tunnels Affected, MTA Chairman Says
    Posted: 10/30/2012
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/30/new-york-city-subway-flooding-_n_2043710.html

    New York City MTA Chairman Joseph J. Lhota released a statement Tuesday declaring Hurricane Sandy the most “devastating” disaster in the subway’s 108-year history. The hurricane has flooded seven subway tunnels under the East River and affected “every borough and county of the region,” according to the statement.

    “In 108 years, our employees have never faced a challenge like the one that confronts us now,” Lhota wries.

    Read the entire statement below:

    The New York City subway system is 108 years old, but it has never faced a disaster as devastating as what we experienced last night. Hurricane Sandy wreaked havoc on our entire transportation system, in every borough and county of the region. It has brought down trees, ripped out power and inundated tunnels, rail yards and bus depots.

    As of last night, seven subway tunnels under the East River flooded. Metro-North Railroad lost power from 59th Street to Croton-Harmon on the Hudson Line and to New Haven on the New Haven Line. The Long Island Rail Road evacuated its West Side Yards and suffered flooding in one East River tunnel. The Hugh L. Carey Tunnel is flooded from end to end and the Queens Midtown Tunnel also took on water and was closed. Six bus garages were disabled by high water. We are assessing the extent of the damage and beginning the process of recovery. Our employees have shown remarkable dedication over the past few days, and I thank them on behalf of every New Yorker. In 108 years, our employees have never faced a challenge like the one that confronts us now. All of us at the MTA are committed to restoring the system as quickly as we can to help bring New York back to normal.

  121. Nick,

    You indicted yourself with your own callous words. You basically made a fool of yourself with your stupid predictions and calling people media driven cowards. I got your point about the media, but that’s something I’ ve written about here for years. In this context though you were wrong snd the media was right.

    Then rather than just admitting you were wrong and letting it go at that, you double down and make out like you’ve spent your life saving people, as if that gives you the right to say whatever you want with no one allowed to call you on your ill advised statements. You challenge people to equal your heroism. Don’t even try to go there with me because my entire 37 year career was spent in service of helping people in need. For openers I’ve literally intervened to stop three suicides and two people who would have died from insulin shock if I didn’t get there in time to save them. Thats not even a major part of the story of me, just as it isn’t for many of the regulars here, they just don’t need to brag about it. You’re obviously an intelligent man, but you’re too hung up on playing macho and it is frankly not becoming to you.

  122. And for those playing down the storm as a big bust, they are talking nonsense. I’m a lifelong NY’er and I know all the areas talked about on the news quite well. I was shocked at the devastation. No there weren’t the deaths there were in Katrina but thats because NY isn’t run as badly as New Orleans and unlike Louisiana, poor and black people aren’t left to die, or outright murdered by police on an unprecedented scale. This is not to say that NY doesn’t have its ills and prejudice, only that the rescue infrastructure is much better.

    Also the devastation to people’s lives is not only measured in death tolls, but in the devastation to the fabric of their lives.

  123. Superstorm Sandy: New Jersey, New York, East Coast Assess Hurricane’s Wrath (PHOTOS, LIVE UPDATES)
    AP | By ADAM GELLER Posted: 10/31/2012
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/31/super-storm-sandy-new-jersey_n_2048863.html

    Excerpt:
    By late Tuesday, the winds and flooding inflicted by the fast-weakening Sandy had subsided, leaving at least 55 people dead along the Atlantic Coast and splintering beachfront homes and boardwalks from the mid-Atlantic states to southern New England.

  124. MikeS, I feel so ashamed. I’ve been scolded by Saint Mike. I only mentioned my volunteering to help natural disasters because I was challenged by Emperor Gene. You’ve played this “I’m more worthy than you” previously. I’ve only talked about the things I do to help others when challenged[rape victrims, natural disaster victims] by sanctimonious commenters here. I spoke @ length how I was taught by my old man that you help people for no other reason than to help them..no glory. I gave an account of how that was driven home w/ a poignant meeting w/ a man my dad helped his entire life w/o me knowing. I live my life helping people and NOBOBY knows how many I’ve helped. Helping people is my religion, it is the message of Jesus, everything else is horseshit. Now, climb off your high horse and stop watching tv so much, they only want to scare you and sell you shit! I’m glad your family is safe. However, except in very rare circumstances only the people who make stupid decisions die in hurricanes..you get a week of incessant warnings. Tornadoes and eathquakes are a different ballgame. Now, basta!

  125. NYU Hospital Storm Damage Could Destroy Years Of Research
    The Huffington Post
    By Tyler Kingkade Posted: 10/30/2012
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/30/nyu-hospital-storm-damage-research_n_2045844.html

    Excerpt:
    The New York University School of Medicine is one of the top medical research colleges in the country. It hosts some of the top scholars in medicine, and Langone Medical Center is home to much of the school’s research. Now much of that work is in jeopardy.

    The hospital was forced to evacuate Monday night after a power failure due to Hurricane Sandy, and a significant amount of research also could be washed away.

    The New York Daily News reports:

    Scientists are in a desperate frenzy to save what they can and transfer what can be moved to other areas of the hospital. In one case, scientists were rolling a big freezer — the size of a big refrigerator — to an area of the hospital with emergency power, the source told the News.
    Even more alarming, thousands of mice that are used by scientists for cancer research and other experiments, drowned during a flood. It is unclear how the mice died, but the source told the News that many of these mice are genetically modified for certain research and took years to produce. It will likely set back several scientists’ work by years, the source said.

    “This does not equate to a loss of life, but it is extremely disheartening to see years of research go down the drain,” the source said.

    The NYU Langone is considered one of the best in the nation, and consists of three institutions including the Tisch Hospital, the Rusk Institute of Rehabilitation Medicine and the NYU School of Medicine.

    They chose not to evacuate ahead of time, as they did for Hurricane Irene in 2011, according to ABC News. However, late on Monday, a power failure forced the hospital to scramble to get patients out safely.

  126. Nick,

    Your sarcasm is merely a cover for the fact that your own words were what was criticized and you aren’t able to accept that they were wrong in content and in bad taste. Your responses talking about your selflessness were also deflections away from the central issue, which was your ill-chosen words. Now you use religion as another deflection. I claim neither sainthood, nor extra worthiness, but merely rejected your past acts as a excuse for your insensitivity. ow about the media over-hyping this, that is usually the case with anything they touch, but in instances such as this rather the “over-hype” than the skeptical.

    “However, except in very rare circumstances only the people who make stupid decisions die in hurricanes.”

    Nice example of compassion, but I would add the people who disregard urgent warnings into that category and some of them are not necessarily but simply think they are always smarter and more experienced than everyone else.

  127. Helpless in a Hurricane: Mitt Romney’s Five Dumbest Budget Cuts
    The Republican challenger’s policies would be disastrous for federal emergency relief efforts
    By Tim Dickinson
    October 30, 2012
    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/helpless-in-a-hurricane-mitt-romneys-five-dumbest-budget-cuts-20121030

    Excerpt:
    As Hurricane Sandy hit the East Coast this week, the so-called “Frankenstorm” exposed the dark underbelly of Mitt Romney’s plans to delegate core federal responsibilities to the states and to blindly impose a 5 percent, across-the-board budget cut to all discretionary programs “excluding military.”

    The true impact of a Romney presidency would be a federal government ill-equipped to coordinate a response to a regional natural disaster like this one, and agencies hobbled in their ability to provide storm forecasting, emergency housing – even Superfund cleanup in the toxic aftermath of a storm.

    Here are the five most damaging cuts that a President Romney would seek “on Day One” from the agencies that are essential for federal storm response:

    1) FEMA: Cut $500 million

    Romney’s budget cut would slash Federal Emergency Management Agency funding by nearly half a billion dollars. And the Republican nominee has gone even farther, suggesting a far more radical plan for FEMA: disband it and throw its duties back to the states. Asked about the agency during an early GOP primary debate, Romney said that disaster relief was a state responsibility, and might even be privatized. “Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states,” Romney said, “that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further, and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better.”

    2) NOAA: Cut $255 million

    The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is responsible for daily weather forecasts and severe storm warnings. It runs the National Weather Service and the National Environmental Satellite, Data, and Information Service; those amazing pictures you’ve been seeing of Sandy from space are courtesy of NOAA. The agency also operates a “hurricane hunter” fleet of jets and turboprops that fly directly into hurricanes to measure their intensity. Most important: NOAA coordinates federal climate science investigating the links between global warming and severe weather events.

    3) SuperFund: Cut $60 million

    Sandy has already caused flooding of Brooklyn’s Gowanus Canal, an EPA-designated “SuperFund” site contaminated with toxins ranging from PCBs to heavy metals to untreated sewage. Superfund cleanup is chronically underfunded, resulting in painfully slow remediation work. The agency is just getting around to funding cleanup of toxics stirred up by the monster tornado that hit Joplin, Missouri, in May 2011. And Mitt Romney wants to slash funding for this crucial work.

  128. You can’t control the weather, all you can do is get people out of the way and plan for the allocation of resources for the clean-up. Maybe it’s time to reassess the NASA/NOAA budget?

    “Flying Blind: America’s Aging Weather Satellites”
    excerpts:

    “Things got dicey in the command centers of the GOES-East weather satellite on September 23. Mission controllers with NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) in southern Maryland, watched in alarm as the images being beamed down from 22,000 mi. (35,000 km) up grew spotty and the stream of temperature and moisture readings became sputtery. GOES-East (for Geostationary Operational Environmental Satellite), and its companion ship, GOES-West, hover over the two halves of the U.S. in orbits that match the rotation of the planet, keeping a fixed eye on events below. But GOES-East was now winking out — in the final month of a hurricane season that would give birth to an infant storm later to be known as Sandy. ….

    On any given day, from 20 to 30 American weather satellites — depending how you count those dedicated solely to forecasting and those that also engage in basic environmental research — peer down on the planet. Plenty of other countries — China, India, Brazil, Japan, the members of the European Union — have similar assets aloft. For the U.S., however, it is the GOES ships, plus a north-south polar-orbiting satellite, that do the overwhelming share of the work. Now, thanks to budget cuts, short-sighted federal planning and the natural life-and-death cycle of satellites, they’re all at risk — and so are we. That’s the message both from the government’s National Research Council — which, in May, released a comprehensive study on the precarious state of America weather fleet — and from the scientists and commentators who make it their business to understand this stuff. ….

    It’s the money component — no surprise — that’s at the root of the current problem. Satellites are cheap by spacecraft standards — but that standard means at least a few hundred millions dollars apiece. Over the course of any one satellite’s lifespan, the overall price tag can rise to $1 billion. NASA’s entire annual budget for Earth sciences was $2 billion in 2002, but has fallen to less than $1.5 billion in the decade since. And while there are a collective 90 Earth-sensing instruments carried aboard the entirety of NASA’s weather-forecasting fleet, that number could fall to as few as 20 by 2020….”

    http://science.time.com/2012/10/30/flying-blind-americas-aging-weather-satellites/

  129. Nicks “Leejcarroll, I can think of few things more “nasty” or cowardly than calling someone a liar in the chickenshit, obtuse way in which you did. I have testified under oath many times and I consider myself under oath whenever I speak. ”

    Nick, you read into it that you were a liar, I did not write that.

    If you had bothered to read my post a number of posts above the one to which you responded you would have read that I said the media panic mongered.

    Maybe people have not said what they have done because, since you brought religion into it, they may not feel the need or desire to annouce what they have done/are doing.
    <>
    New International Version (©1984)
    “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets,…”

    Nick S:”Regarding victims, I have helped many victims. I’ve not yet heard one person say what they have done. What people say is window dressing. In my world we are defined by what we do. There are too many folks here who cannot say anything about what they do because they have done little, if anything. But, they sure can talk!!”

    Boy this sure sounds like judgement to me,

    NickS: “Helping people is my religion, it is the message of Jesus, everything else is horseshit. ”

    Judge not…is the message of Jesus.
    If you want to declare your allegiance to the message then it would help iof you dropped the judgemental bit.

    (Elaine, thanks. (: )

  130. Sandy death toll in US rises to nearly 100; ‘could be more,’ NYC mayor says
    By Miguel Llanos, NBC News
    11/2/12
    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/02/14884300-sandy-death-toll-in-us-rises-to-nearly-100-could-be-more-nyc-mayor-says?lite

    Excerpt:
    The death toll in the U.S. from Superstorm Sandy neared 100 victims on Friday, as New York City reported another death and Mayor Michael Bloomberg warned: “There could be more fatalities.”

    The toll in the nation’s largest city is now 41 deaths, Bloomberg said at a press conference at which he also defended the decision to run the New York Marathon this Sunday and tried to defuse concerns about gasoline shortages.

    Half of the city’s deaths were on Staten Island. Bloomberg noted the deaths of two brothers swept from their mother’s arms in the storm surge there.

  131. Hurricane Sandy’s U.S. death toll, economic losses rise
    By Molly Hennessy-Fiske, Brian Bennett and Scott Gold
    November 1, 2012, 6:07 p.m.
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-hurricane-sandy-update-20121101,0,7573411.story

    Excerpt:
    WANTAGH, N.Y. — Sandy’s U.S. death toll reached 88 on Thursday after the bodies of two young boys were found in a Staten Island marsh, and the economic loss rose to an estimated $50 billion. That would make the storm the second-costliest in American history, after Hurricane Katrina.

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