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I have a FEW friends in that business in LA….
and what you say MIGHT be true for people TRYING to make it…..

HOWEVER…. NOT so for people that have already made it….
and being a co-star on the TOP sitcom for over 10 years, he can PRETTY much do as many projects as he would want to do……
in that business,he may NOT be the IT boy… still… he is on TOP…..

ONCE it ENDS…. he may have the situation that you describe…..
BUT, just not now…..

I have a bud that is in the industry….. He said that its not safe for young children by any stretch of the imagination….. Pretty much casting couches for everyone…. Every sex….. Regardless of age…..

Seems Young Mr. Jones just got 8,000,000 reasons to change his tune & boy did he ever!
http://www.examiner.com/article/angus-t-jones-does-180-blessed-with-new-8-million-contract-for-men

Seriously, I hope we don’t read about him living in a dumpster & getting busted for shoplifitng snack cakes in a couple of years

Now, he like GeneH,, will expect me to return and argue against him. Wasted time. Some minds are never open for re-alignment or enlightenment. Enlightenment can come from a rock or a ray of light. Genius is not needed.

To his query, I reply for my part.
1. I hope for better things here.
2. Because it pleases me.

But I did like your last lecture. So my mind is not closed, like others. And that was honesty, something I cherish. And credit shall be paid where due. No kiss-ups at all.

We feel like discussing it, because this particular hypocrisy has a peculiar combination of elements (including a large amount of money and sexualised story lines) that reveals something to us about the world we live in and how it works, and the psychology of the wealthy that do not even KNOW they are lucky.

If you don’t see that, or grasp that, don’t come into the room just to tell us we are wasting our time and you have more important things to think about.

I liked THIS story. I wanted to talk about THIS story. The answer to your question of “who cares” is, I care. I thought that was obvious from the fact that I was still writing about it.

I will take the opposite stance. I submit that the tone of this show, and others, does social good. Humor is a good in itself, but there is a psychological good here too. If children are old enough to find ribald humor funny, then shows like this do not coarsen them, they broaden their perspectives. What are the elements of humor these shows rely upon? Miscommunication, misunderstanding, mistakes in judgment, doing something dumb and suffering the consequences.

Comedy shows contribute to the education of children, because in order to get a real laugh the show must capture some element of real human nature; there must be some verisimilitude there, that the unexpected reaction or outcome is not unexpected-crazy, it is unexpected but makes sense when the full reality is understood (which is why many punchlines also reveal the reality).

What you call “coarsening” I call refinement of their understanding of people and relationships, including sexual relationships. Children are growing to be adults, and the more truth they have on their side, the better their moral compass will be tuned.

The more they learn about what can go wrong in relationships, the better their relationships will be; the more they learn by sitcoms how people get their feelings hurt, make mistakes, give in to temptation they regret, the less likely they are to commit the same errors themselves.

Sitcoms are caricatures of reality; but like a good caricature they capture something recognizable as reality. That is how we teach young people, with caricatures. We do not teach quantum physics to middle schoolers, we teach them about levers and gearing and friction. Everything we teach them is not exactly true, we don’t teach them about levers bending or fracturing. Our springs don’t ever break, our materials do not corrode each other, our gears do not heat up or wear down.

The philosophy that keeping children ignorant of realities they must soon face on their own is going to help them is just wrong; the belief that children are so impressionable they will adopt any belief system on sight (and then never relinquish it) is illogical. Humans do not work that way.

The way humans DO work, the more information they have to sort through and develop an understanding of their own, the better off they are. The children most thoroughly shielded from reality are the ones put at the greatest risk when they are, inevitably, exposed to it.

How many hypocrites that we have on the bench is more important. And do we use fMRI techniques to weed them out?

I suspect, as I said, his agent (usually a lawyer) was scrambling; I suspect Lorre called the agent and told him, “If he doesn’t want to be here, we would be happy to call it quits as of now, none of us want an actor on set that doesn’t want to be here, it poisons the whole production. In fact we’ll go ahead and start preparing some paperwork for his signature; why don’t you bring him in tomorrow?”

I guess it would also be reasonable to expect a young man of his age not do say/do everything perfectly. So while I think what he did was hypocritical and foolish, it is what it is. Time to move on. Hope he learned a lesson for his own future benefit.

I’d love to see him direct the millions he stands to make, to a seriously deserving charity.

Now, I’ve laughed out loud at some of the show’s comedy over the years, and there were times when – as a young kid – “Jake” was too cute & hilarious for words. In fact, the entire cast was excellent, and the writing often exceptional. The stalker “Rose” should have won an Emmy.

But all & all, I submit that the tone of the show – as indeed the tone of countless others since – by cleverly couching immorality in ribald humor – does enormous social damage. It does so by contributing to the coarsening of children, at a time when their moral compasses are often trying very hard to find true North.

Angus T. Jones Apologizes For ‘Two And A Half Men’ Remarks

His statement reads:

“I have been the subject of much discussion, speculation and commentary over the past 24 hours. While I cannot address everything that has been said or right every misstatement or misunderstanding, there is one thing I want to make clear.

Without qualification, I am grateful to and have the highest regard and respect for all of the wonderful people on Two and Half Men with whom I have worked over the past ten years and who have become an extension of my family.

Chuck Lorre, Peter Roth and many others at Warner Bros. and CBS are responsible for what has been one of the most significant experiences in my life to date. I thank them for the opportunity they have given and continue to give me and the help and guidance I have and expect to continue to receive from them.

I also want all of the crew and cast on our show to know how much I personally care for them and appreciate their support, guidance and love over the years. I grew up around them and know that the time they spent with me was in many instances more than with their own families. I learned life lessons from so many of them and will never forget how much positive impact they have had on my life.

I apologize if my remarks reflect me showing indifference to and disrespect of my colleagues and a lack of appreciation of the extraordinary opportunity of which I have been blessed. I never intended that.”

Mmmmm.

Pudding.

I don’t know if that is a logical phallus-cy or not.

Correction from my second to last post…..

That was supposed to say… Trying TOO hard….

Angus’s Spiritual advisor…. Seventh-day Adventist pastor Christopher Hudson, aka The Forerunner.

TMZ has dug up some interesting nuggets from Hudson’s ForeRunner Chronicles video series, including:

— Why he believes Jay-Z is a Freemason with ties to the devil

— How he alleges Obama’s pro-gay agenda has similarities to Hitler

— How he claims NYC’s gas crisis can lead to cannibalism

Hudson had bizarrely warned his followers that the gas crisis could turn into a food crisis, forcing women to eat their own children: “Your baby might start looking like a chicken wing.”

It is unclear if Angus believes everything the pastor is saying, but in the now-viral “testimony” video, the young man only had praise for his spiritual guide. “I love watching ForeRunner Chronicles,” Angus said. “All the information is so great…Your videos have no doubt been a blessing to me.”

TMZ has spoken to Hudson, and he said that he and Angus have become close over the past year and share similar beliefs.

Meanwhile, the young actor’s mother has spoken out, saying that she’s “concerned” for her son.

Carey, 42, told Mail Online in a brief statement that she’s “concerned he’s being exploited by the church.”

http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/angus_jones_the_controversial_pastor_7CWHG4QRjBWm4hev40lbAJ

But not having standing, other than being one who was a useful consumer goods, so I kept quiet.

Myself, I say: whatever the woman’s body, mind and her relationships will bear is OK. It is natural. And they are not chattel. Some guys will never understand that.

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@LeeJCaroll…..

NO… just tired of Christian hypocrisy… and puritanical BS….

Comedy of a sexual nature is NOT what is wrong with the USA….

and as Tony pointed out.. it is NOT about sexual exploits…..

Tony put it PERFECTLY in that… It is about how unfair life is….
That Charlie can go through women like crazy, and luck is always on his side….
and how Allen works hard, tries to do the right thing… and he has the WORST LUCK…..

It may not be the most intelligent comedy… But, I liked it for a while…
I tend to like risqué humour…. Back when Charlie Sheen was on the show, I thought it was a far better show…. I’ve only seen a few of the episodes with Ashton Kutcher… I just felt they were trying to hard with making Allen far more pathetic…. like when he was going to get a position on the board at Walden’s company… and Allen went to the board room and was stealing food and could not just vote, like he was hired to do….
It just came off as trying to hard and fell quite flat….

With Charlie Sheen it was a good fit….. I was VERY sorry to see him go….

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somebody mentioned that his mother thinks he is being manipulated…..
This sounds VERY possible…..
That almost makes me MORE upset at this whole story….
I’m so sick of religion exploiting people of all ages….

Other anonymous sources say Lorre (the producer) will offer him a graceful way out. I wouldn’t be surprised, why not pocket the seven million instead?

I bet Angus’ agent is one scrambling mofo right now, with about a million dollar fee (15%) headed for the incinerator…

lol … that was really good.

If he is so professing adhering the the will of God why would an earthly human construct such as a contract matter?

Sometimes you can pay people too much and a few of them act rather spoiled.

I presume that is true; it makes sense. For example, do you think a parent could sign a 17 year old to a twenty year contract?

Angus is a mentally able 19 year old, if a contract exists I presume HE signed it of his own free will on or after his 18th birthday when he reached the age of majority. Unless he became emancipated before then; but then it was still his choice.

God just can’t catch a break.
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The main theme of the show was that life was hilariously unfair; it was the juxtaposition of Jon Cryer cast as an unloved, earnest fumbler that (usually) couldn’t catch a break, including the fact that he was forced to beg favors from Charlie Sheen living an undeserved, carefree life of nothing but one lucky break after another. The endless supply of women for attractive Charlie wasn’t the theme, it was just another galling, unfair thorn in the side of unattractive Alan. His inability to find women that do not exploit him is another crap sandwich for Alan. Being taken for everything in a divorce from a vindictive witch was the crap salad that launched the show; the fiction that his mother, his son, and all women like Charlie better than him is the crap dessert.

Can’t imagine anybody disagreeing with this, at least here at JTs’

I think a sitcom that gives a young kid a warped view of human relationships is a kid raised by an incompetent parent that has failed to teach their child a critical life lesson, the difference between reality and a fantasy that can be engineered to produce any outcome the writer may imagine.
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When will they find a baby shot to cure or inoculate with?
Considering all the crap of this type which all too many parents have absorbed, and acted out in their life, then there is needed a shot against the parents as role models too.

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@ Frankly….

Well, I guess you and I saw it differently then….

He had relationships and fell in love quite often….
Then when a relationship would break off… he would do what many
young, good looking, single people do…..
Go out and have fun…..

as for the women getting what they want…. other than Kandi.. Allen did NOT have anything for them to go after…..
and Charlie dated a LOT of successful women….
so, I just don’t see it the way you do…..

God just can’t catch a break.

The main themes of the show were Charlies use of women as receptacles and women using sex to get what they want out of men. Neither is a healthy attitude to grow up with.

Note particularly the episodes with “April” and the divorce.

I think he’s in a phase of religiosity. By the time he’s 21 or 22 he may have passed through it, or not. He should be let out of his contract if that’s what he wants. He seems like a pretty good actor so he should be offered roles in more “wholesome” productions. Or he can go the way of most child actors and go into an entirely different career.

I do not believe it is moral to sign a contract to perform in a role and then, after collecting pay for years, try to get out of your contract by claiming some new found moral discomfort. Angus is betraying a business partner, and that is immoral.

“If I am doing any harm, I don’t want to be here. I don’t want to be contributing to the enemy’s plan … You cannot be a true God-fearing person and be on a television show like that. I know I can’t. I’m not OK with what I’m learning, what the Bible says and being on that television show.”~Angus

I don’t know about what morality clause but I don’t believe that forcing someone to do something against their will is moral…especially if it involves a contract made by 3rd parties.

and yes, the show has definitely evolved into territory far beyond what it initially offerred, as usual, upping the shock value to increase ratings.

EXACTLY…. I felt that they were careful to NOT present all women as sluts…. and what you said is true… if anybody on the show was portrayed as a slut, it was Charlie Harper….

I thought that most of the women that Charlie dated, came off as quite intelligent….. and many of them as leaders… NOT whimpering dumb girls…. and most certainly not sluts….
and yes… his mother was portrayed as being quite sexually liberal…..

there were a few women that acted as the “Dumb Blonde”…
BUT, NOT all or even most of them…..

I haven’t seen every episode with Charlie Harper; but to my recollection the women were seldom portrayed as having many partners; and certainly not as many as Charlie. In fact the only one I recall being portrayed as promiscuous was Alan and Charlie’s mother; the female version of Charlie.

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Of the women that Charlie dated…..

one was a Dance instructor….
One was a Judge….
One was a Lawyer….
one was a teacher….
one was a Real-estate broker….

not to mention others who were NOT uneducated

as for the SLUTS remark….
why is it that in 2012 women who have sexual relations with a man are still looked at as sluts????

and if they were sluts, as YOU say….

What is wrong with women liking sex???
If a woman like sex and has sex with different men…. yet she does NOT hurt anyone or lie or cheat on anybody…. why is she looked at in such a derogatory manner?????

lastly…. as Tony said… I taught my daughter the difference between real and fiction….
That these were characters on a show…. they did NOT represent REAL life……