Germany Moves To Re-Criminalize Bestiality

There is a rather unexpected debate occurring in Germany where the government is moving to re-criminalize bestiality. Since 1969, bestiality has been legal in Germany, but it would now be punishable with a fine up to 25,000 euros ($31,000).


In 1969, the country decriminalized both homosexuality and bestiality. It is not clear why these two acts seemed related or whether the country would countenance acts of bestiality or “animal rape” as activists have called it in Germany. Under the existing law, sex with animals was only punishable if the animal was severely injured.

What is interesting is that the re-criminalization of bestiality is opposed by a zoophile group called ZETA. Lobbyist Michael Kiok estimated that there are more than 100,000 zoophiles in Germany. Kiok lives with his dog Cassie and says that he fears the state will now separate them. He insisted “Mere morals have no place in law.”

The last point is familiar to many civil libertarians who oppose morality law from criminal adultery law to criminal fornication law. Kiok however misses the point. Animals cannot give their consent to such acts. The mistake of Germany was to equate bestiality with homosexuality in the first place — a connection drawn in the past by Justice Scalia.

Source: Daily Telegraph

38 thoughts on “Germany Moves To Re-Criminalize Bestiality

  1. Do not criminalize anything especially sex. We are to judge ourselves. To condemn is to condemn ourselves. Our body sins just because it dies killing life to live. Don’t penalize Pepe for having a form of sex. That is to God a crime.

  2. Do not criminalize anything especially sex. We are to judge ourselves. To condemn is to condemn ourselves. Our body sins just because it dies killing life to live. Don’t penalize People for having a form of sex. That is to God a crime.

  3. Putting aside the consent issue, it’s just nasty, but as long as the animals weren’t injured? Who is harmed? This is an area where while I don’t personally agree with the practice and note that it is in the DSM as a form of paraphilia I will have to agree that it is also an area where the laws make criminals with no actual victim and do so needlessly. Criminalizing bestiality does not serve justice or equity. “Ewwww!” is not sufficient grounds for prison or penalty. Like many, I have the same reaction to booger eaters and they don’t deserve legal sanction either as there is no victim.

  4. One word, describing one form of humpin, ends in “uality” and the second word, describing another form of humpin, describes “iality”. Never the Twain shall meet. These Germans dont understand life on the Mississippi.

  5. HumpinDog:

    most dogs do so without the consent of the human and most use the leg so I dont know if you can go with “iality”.

  6. Um, let’s get this clear. Germany wants to make it illegal for a human to have sex with an animal. right? Which was recently legalized, having previously been illegal? What were the arguments used to make it legal when it was already illegal, would be my first question. And my second question would be: have they defined “legitimate bestiality” yet?

  7. Florida was just having the same fight in its state legislature. I’m dead serious about this; the GOP majority killed the bill. I guess to them two consenting adults who happen to be of the same sex is right out but a man and a cow, well thats OK.

    Its about consent guys – two adults can consent a cow/sheep/turtle cannot

  8. @Gene H.: The “animal brothels” are most likely an urban myth, like snuff films. The Badische Zeitung did an article about that recently and basically everything can be traced back, not to proven cases, but to an article that came out 2006 in the Danish free ad paper 24timer…

    @Malisha: Well, I wouldn’t call 1968 “recently,” but yes it was legalized back then.

    That was of the the “Great Criminal Law Reform” (Große Strafrechtsreform) which among other things (a shift from a retributive to a rehabilitating outlook probably the most important) tried to get rid of “moral laws.” The professor already mentioned “sodomy” (i.e. homosexual penetrative sex) and there were a few others like “adultery” and so on.

    The reason that there is this push to make it illegal again is the fear that bestiality isn’t just a rare thing that some farmers do, but that there is a whole sub culture with internet forums and even the (IMHO mythical) animal brothels.
    The not very stringent underlying premise of the State administration of Rheinland-Pfalz (which introduced this bill) seems to be “We’re OK with it being rare isolated cases, but not more.”

  9. When the Germans emigrated to Missouri in the mid 1800s after the failed social revolution in France and Germany they came upon the Scots who had settled here a hundred years before. The Scots were by now what one would call an Ozark hillbilly and were known to have sex with sheep. The Germans would not mingle with them despite the fact that they were Christian. The German communites had laws passed in towns and then statewide to outlaw bestiality. A lot of the sheep porkers moved to Arkansas. Mike Huckebee can tell you the stories. Clinton refuses to and says that he had no sex with that donkey.

  10. “shouldnt that be Ewe?”

    LOL . . . yeah, ewe won’t get an argument from me on that one, Bron. Also, I thought the Cap’n was probably already packing a bag and checking Expedia as well. To each their own, I reckon. Some like Coke, some like Pepsi and apparently some like Purina.

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    Berliner,

    Thanks for the input. I’m not too surprised if the animal brothels are a case of urban myth. When I read that one of my first thoughts was “How do you get charter for this kind of operation?” Surely someone must have read their applications for permits and the like and said, “Nein, ich glaube nicht.”

  11. Are there really enough people who want to have sex with animals that it’s an issue? Why would anyone want to do it in the first place? That said, I can understand criminalizing it – not just from the sexual standpoint, but for public health, the possibility of diseases crossing species (e.g. scrapie becoming mad cow disease).

    Why, if it was criminalized, would anyone decriminalize it? That’s the mindboggling part.

    As for the claim that animals are the ones being hurt, that’s not always the case. I have two words for you: “Mr. Hands”. Look it up if you don’t know.

  12. Frankly:
    >> Florida was just having the same fight in its state
    >> legislature. […] I guess to [the GOP] two
    >> consenting adults who happen to be of the same sex
    >> is right out but a man and a cow, well thats OK.

    I’m sure one particular Georgia republican and self-admitted zoophile would approve of legalizing bestiality.

    http://www.newshounds.us/2005/05/06/bizarre_sex_habits_of_the_extreme_rightwing.php

    Neal Horsley…what an utterly appropriate name for a practitioner of bestiality.

  13. Bestiality is sex. What is against it is war. War is premeditated murder thinking that the killer or jailer is doing a good thing. Sounds like stone throwers, and arresters who arrested Jesus. jesus stopped stones from being thrown keeping people from warring.

  14. Jesus frees People. The devil banes people from doing what they want to do under the sun handing out penalties. Do people want to lose their soul doing the devils biding or save their soul doing the Lords bidding?

  15. GeneH – The animal is having sex without its consent which, by definition, means that it was harmed – it was raped.

    I completely agree with all of the comments that the government has no business interfering in the private sex act between consenting adults. Consenting adults being the key phrase.

    Animals are fellow sentient beings, they are not here to be raped by us, eaten by us, or to be forced to perform for our entertainment in movies or the circus.

  16. Eric. I have to add to your comment on Gene H’s: “Putting aside the consent issue, it’s just nasty, but as long as the animals weren’t injured?” Who will determine if an animal is injured by the sex act? How will that be monitored? Not all unconsenting animals will be or are large. I have heard of human sex with cats, small dogs, chickens, monkeys, and a rather long list of other small creatures where the result was severe injury and painful death. Picture an erect penis wearing a skunk glove. While I don’t like animals being used that way, perhaps there can be some way to successfully parse sex with larger animals from sex with smaller animals, making sex with “smaller” animals animal cruelty. On the health issue, sex with animals is potentially dangerous.

  17. DrSigne There is one judge. : Scribes and pharisees were constantly monitoring Jesus to try to find fault in him. People having sex with animals that are to small are not using good judgment. They and they alone will have to answer for what they do, and no one else. People will see Gods light as comforting doing good or not. People have to think abut that.

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  19. Change begins with choice. Germany wants to take away choice. To have a fine for engaging in what is in reality one thing called sex 9is beyond words to describe, and yet Leopold want to war against that one three letter word. Fine a person for engaging in that one three letter word. To do that condemns themselves for doing the same thing. Satan is self destructive. Germany needs to not be self destructive allowing whoever to make their own choice to engage in. zoo or not. Jesus never fined anyone nether would he fine anyone. His enemies would fine whoever. Be godly Germany. Free the zoo. Don’t enslave the zoo with fear. That will free you too.

  20. Change begins with choice. Germany wants to take away choice. To have a fine for engaging in what is in reality one thing called sex is beyond words to describe, and yet people want to war against that one three letter word. Fine a person for engaging in that one three letter word. To do that condemns themselves for doing the same thing. Satan is self destructive. Germany needs to not be self destructive allowing whoever to make their own choice to engage in. zoo or not. Jesus never fined anyone nether would he fine anyone. His enemies would fine whoever. Be godly Germany. Free the zoo. Don’t enslave the zoo with fear. That will free you too.

  21. hange begins with choice. Germany wants to take away choice. To have a fine for engaging in what is in reality one thing called sex is beyond words to describe, and yet people want to war against that one three letter word. Fine a person for engaging in that one three letter word. To do that condemns themselves for doing the same thing. Satan is self destructive. Germany needs to not be self destructive allowing whoever to make their own choice to engage in zoosexual sex or not. Jesus never fined anyone nether would he fine anyone. His enemies would fine whoever. Be godly Germany. Free the zoo. Don’t enslave the zoo with fear. That will free you too.

  22. Satan is the criminal. He works through people to give what the evil gives. Jesus gives what he gives. Jesus does not say criminal pointing his finger. Had he non of us people that die would be here.
    Legal laws cause frustration. Legal law is a form of war. Legal does not free anyone. Have legal law have jails. Once to live, and them the judgment. I would think the churches know that one. Why don’t they teach it? It is eternal soul life or not. It is that simple. People that do not free like Jesus frees do not have him in them freeing anyone. Free the zoosexual.

  23. Satan is the criminal. He works through people to give what the devil gives. Jesus gives what he gives. Jesus does not say criminal pointing his finger. Had he non of us people that die would be here.
    Legal laws cause frustration. Legal law is a form of war. Legal does not free anyone. Have legal law have jails. Once to live, and them the judgment. I would think the churches know that one. Why don’t they teach it? It is eternal soul life or not. It is that simple. People that do not free like Jesus frees do not have him in them freeing anyone. Free the zoosexual

  24. Do not criminalize anything especially sex. We are to judge ourselves. To condemn is to condemn ourselves. Our body sins just because it dies killing life to live. Don’t penalize Peolpe for having a form of sex. That is to God a crime. Don’t people know anything about how Jesus would be not knowing how devious his enemies were? Can’t the enemy of the zoo see that they behave exactly like the conniving scheming lets see how we can trap him people against Jesus? That is what is against the zoo. Open your eyes. When people follow the Lord in me they become peacful.

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