New Picture Emerges of George Zimmerman

imagesA new picture has emerged of George Zimmerman following the death of Florida teen Trayvon Martin. The picture shows a bruised and bloody Zimmerman, though such pictures do not establish who started the fight.

The picture however will clearly add to the claim of the defense that Zimmerman was engaged in an intense fight when he said Martin tried to grab his gun. The standard remains guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and these photos will be used to create such doubt in the mind of the jury.

The picture was taken by a Sanford police officer on the night of February 26th after Zimmerman killed Martin.

Source: CBS

55 thoughts on “New Picture Emerges of George Zimmerman

  1. When compared to the picture taken of Zimmerman at the police station just a few hours later that same night, it becomes rather obvious that this one has been photoshopped.

  2. Photoshopped! I am fairly savvy in photo editing and can spot the use of blending tools and clone tools, etc..seriously…and experts can prove it …the photos info that is imbedded in the image if it were a digital camera would have revealed the truth as well…but these photos would have come out long before now if they were real…something is rotten in denmark…as his cleaned up version if you compare the images show his nose has gone down tremedously in terms of swelling etc to the point of showing little to no injury at all…that would have taken a lot of ice and hours for that to have gone down, impossible in my opinion…he had photos entering the jail with no swelling to his nose…this is a total crock…and I hope they find the losers that did the photoshopping…trayvons knuckles and his fingers would have been bruised and bloody most likely…we saw what happened to Holly Berry’s fiance’s hand when he punched her ex…I hope there are photos of Trayvons hands as that would reveal the truth …furthermore, I think it is beyond shameless and heartless that this attorney chooses to release these photos right before Christmas.. I believe this move is to generate money for GZ legal fund, Team GZ went to the press begging for more money a couple of weeks ago.

  3. I’ve got to agree with bettykath. The bloodied photo looks Photoshopped and not even particularly well. The skin tone is off. That it will be used to create reasonable doubt is without question though. The prosecution should have forensics going over this photo with a fine tooth comb.

  4. Think about the effect that delay plays here. The state law provides for a defendant to file a motion to dismiss the case if he can show to a judge that his conduct was within the parameter of “stand your ground”. So delay prevents him for filing this motion timely and arguing it. Delay means that the case goes forward with momentum toward trial. The defendant was entitled to this photo on the day his counsel entered his appearance and requested all documents and then specifically requested this. The delay is evil. The state is not just some party to a lawsuit. The state is unique. They have put this guy in jail and hold him on bond. There is only one remedy, only one outcome that meets the minimum threshold of Justice with a capital J. Defendant should file a motion to dismiss for abuse of process and abuse of discovery. The motion should be granted.

    A 17 year old has an advantage over an older guy. You slow down when you hit age 30. And get slower thereafter. That is one reason for the stand your ground law. A 17 year old is not a kid. A lot of 17 year olds went to Nam and fought ferociously and without regard for self or others. Notice how the state was parading his baby picture around and hiding this photo of his victim. The state hid this photo and tried this guy in the media all these months with their selective evidence. Shame on this so called Special Prosecutor. This is beyond the Pale and calls for expulsion from the Bar.

  5. Mr. Zimmerman was told not to follow Mr. Martin but he did. Mr. zimmerman was carrying a gun and following a man on a dark street. If any one had a right to defend himself it was Mr. Martin but Mr. Zimmerman had a gun. As a result Mr. Martin is dead. These photos don’t matter.

  6. Zimmerman had a perfect right to follow this perp on a dark street and to carry a loaded weapon. The punk is dead because he attacked Zimmerman. I want someone watching out for my safety and property in my neighborhood and I dont want hoodies creeping around stealing and mugging. If you have ever lived in a neighborhood that “went South” then you might know where I am coming from and know where I am not going back to. Punks slingking around in the dark make life in America miserable. This dead guy has a family with a whining lawyer who is praying for a conviction so that they can sue the homeowners association and steal some more money.

  7. @bettykath

    I don’t know if this has been photo shopped or not and I think the photo raises more questions than it answers.

    But in the larger photo that you linked there are two places that drew my attention.

    The bulge on the side of the nose seems to have a loss of detail or blurring, different from the surrounding flesh tones, that might indicate the use of some sort of morphing tool to give the appearance of a bulge.

    The injury at the tip of the nose looks like an irregular blotch of color placed to cover the tip of the nose and a part of the upper lip. I am not claiming that it is impossible to have an injury like that.

    But the tip of the nose and the upper lip are separated by the better part of an inch. Yet the color blotch at the tip of the nose seems uniform in color and texture and flat looking. The color blotch at the tip of the nose has a very different appearance from similar injuries on either side above the lip in the mustache area, and other injuries on the lower lip.

    These parts of the photo might be authentic, or they might just look funny on my monitor, or they might be manipulated. I think it would be useful to have an expert examine the digital file and the image to see if there are any artifacts that might show conclusively one way or the other if the image was manipulated.

    Someone posed the question ‘why would the police manipulate the photo’. As a guess I would doubt that the photo was altered by anyone in the official chain of custody.

    What exactly is the process by which evidence can be challenged and evaluated prior to being presented to the jury during the trial?

  8. First, I don’t believe there was any photoshopping of the photo for this reason. It would constitute tampering with evidence which under Florida statutes 918.13 is a third degree felony. The officer who took the photo or anyone down the chain of evidence would be guilty if they photoshopped it. From a practical sense, I don’t see any reason for the officer to do this. At the time of the photo being taken by the officer, why would the officer want to do anything other than check the photo into the case report?

    The article gives provenance to the photo in that it was provided by the defense team as obtained from the police department or prosecutor’s office. In this case I don’t have any reason to believe the defense atty would alter the photo and release it to the public because I would believe this could be considered misconduct on behalf of the lawyer.

  9. I’m not a medic, but to my eyes, the very significant reduction in nose-swelling by the time he got to the police station does not seem credible.
    Bettkath offered http://shannoninmiami.wordpress.com/2012/12/03/gz-photoshop-side-by-side-jpg/
    This is even more remarkable given that the aspect ratio in the two images is significantly different.
    If you adjust the aspect ration of the new image to match the one taken in the station, that swelling becomes even more pronounced.
    .

    Whether or not the image is photo-shopped, it supports nothing other than that there was a fight. It says nothing about how that fight started. We only have Zimmerman’s word for that. Zimmerman is not a credible witness as
    1) Well, he would say that wouldn’t he?
    2) The only reliable witness to events is the recording of the NEN call.

    What do we know from the NEN call?
    Events and sounds are recorded in real time. Times are absolute.
    Zimmerman’s accounts of events in walk-through and statements to not match the NEN call.
    The fight did not break out until two minutes after the NEN call ended.
    If Zimmerman is to be belived, and that he was returning to his truck, then he passed the point where he says that Martin attacked him ….. one and a half minutes before that attack happened.
    .

    In the last seconds of the NEN call, he suddenly changed the plan from a meet at the truck to one of the patrol ringing him to find out where he would be.
    The only credible conclusion is that Zimmerman went in search of Martin after he ended the call. He was not returning to his truck.

    Zimmerman ignored clear NW rules of whicj he was aware.
    1) Never carry a weapon
    2) Never approach. Observe from a safe distance
    Zimmerman also ignored the advice of the dispatcher – which should have reminded him of the NW rules.

    Martin was on his perfectly reasonable route from the 7-11 to where he was staying.Zimmerman formed an opinion that this was one of the neighbourhood punks who “always get away”.
    It is clear from the timings in the NEN call that Zimmerman went hunting after the NEN call ended – and that he found his target two minutes later.

  10. BarkingDog:
    “I want someone watching out for my safety and property in my neighborhood and I dont want hoodies creeping around stealing and mugging.”

    Right.
    So you are staying in a family-member’s house.
    You pop out to the 7-11 for some stuff and then head back.
    You notice a guy in a truck tailing you down the street. You don’t want this guy following you all the way home. There’s just a kid there.
    Your route home has the option of getting off the street and down a walkway. You take that.
    The walkway is dark and you take cover – to wait a bit and check that the guy has stopped following you.
    Then you see him again. He’s followed you into the walkway.
    Then you lose sight of him.
    You stay put. It’s safer to stay than to risk bumping into him. Over a minute passes. Maybe it’s safe, but you haven’t noticed him going back along that path where he first came into the walkway after you. He’s probably still searching for you.
    Then he’s on you again. Maybe he’s heard the sound of your GF ringing you, or saw the phone glow in the dark.

    The guy is clearly up to no good.

    Who is the one under threat? You or the wierdo who has been hunting you?

    ————————–

    Things go pear-shaped.
    There’s a fight and the guy ends up shooting you.
    It’s OK though, because the guy turned out to be a legitimate vigilante who was “watching out for my safety and property in my neighborhood”.
    He just mistook you for a burglar is all. What’s the problem?

  11. From all of the evidence I have seen and read, it appears that Zimmerman confronted Martin, and Martin knew he was being followed. It appears that Zimmerman demanded Martin tell him his business, and Martin told him to F#ck off. At which point Martin turns to leave. Zimmerman grabs Martin’s arm or body to stop him, Martin swings around and either hits of pushes Zimmerman down. Thus Martin winding up on top. The fight commences with Martin trying to hit Zimmerman, but it could not have been very effective since Zimmerman could shield his face and still go for his gun. I seriously doubt Martin attacked Zimmerman head on since Z would not have wound up on his back in that case. The only explanation I can see for Z going on his back is if he were surprised and was not expecting Martin to swing at him when he grabbed him. Martin is not bigger than Zimmerman nor did he outweigh him.

    Then the question is at what point does one who is in an unarmed fist fight get to use deadly force? Since I have been in a number of such fights, I never once thought or desired to pull or use a gun or a knife. Nor did I need to and even in a two on one fight, I still do not think I would have been justified in using deadly force such as a knife or a gun. Accepting the photos as real, it sure does NOT look like Zimmerman was sustaining life threatening injuries, especially when it was just one kid as opposed to a guy who was trained in fighting.

  12. A 17 year old has an advantage over an older guy. You slow down when you hit age 30. And get slower thereafter.

    Go tell that to George Foreman! A 30 year old guy who is trained in fighting has ALL the advantages. Get REAL!

  13. To me the dead give away is that the wound on his nose moved – ITS A FESTIVUS MIRACLE!

    I don’t care if Treyvon was kicking his ass, Georgie started a fight that was not necessary and totally avoidable. That he was then allowed to kill the kid is just permitting murder. It may not have been premeditated in that he did not set out with the plan to kid Martin but he went out looking for the opportunity to shoot someone.

  14. What did Zimmerman’s hands look like? If the new photo is legit, could Zimmerman have done this to himself after killing Trayvon?

  15. I think I have worked out how the significant swelling in the ‘new’ photo seems to have disappeared in the police station photos taken shortly later.
    http://shannoninmiami.wordpress.com/2012/12/03/gz-photoshop-side-by-side-jpg/

    As Zimmerman began to relate his version(s) of events, his nose started to grow longer.
    This pulled the skin of his face to stretch over the lengthening nose.
    The swollen tissue got flattened by the pressure.
    The cut at the top of his nose appeared to have moveed as the skin was being pulled.
    We don’t notice the longer nose in the police station photo as he is looking straight into the camera.

    It all makes perfect sense.

  16. “As Zimmerman began to relate his version(s) of events, his nose started to grow longer.” (SlingTrebuchet)

    I like it.

  17. Oro Lee: “What did Zimmerman’s hands look like?”

    If the state of hands is relevant, then a much better question would be ‘What did Martin’s hands look like?’
    Martin had a scratch on one finger. End of. (Apart from the bullet)

    According to Zimmerman, Martin punched him on the nose immediately at the start.
    Martin runs up and asks: “You got a problem?”
    Zimmerman: “No”
    POW! Zimmerman gets decked.
    He says that from then on, Martin straddled him and banged his head repeatedly on the concrete. He says that Martin repeatedly punched him.

    Zimmerman does not appear to have attempted to defend himself from this assault. No defensive injuries are reported – to either of them.
    His own doctor reports the following morning that Zimmerman simply has two lacerations at the back of his head – which need no treatment other than cleaning. He also *might* have had a closed fracture to the nose. Zimmerman refused to have this checked out by ENT.

    The shot is heard about 40 seconds into the first 911 call. Allowing for the delay between the fight starting and the caller noticing the noise, deciding to call, dialling and the call connecting, the fight must have lasted almost a minute.
    Martin has a scratch on one finger. Apart from the bullet wound, that is the extent of his injuries.
    Zimmerman has two minor cuts and a suspected closed fracture of the nose.
    All this from a life-threatening fight that lasted *at the very minimum* 45 seconds.

    Such marks do not seem to me to be consistent with Zimmerman’s story.

  18. “Zimmerman followed and confronted Martin, despite being told by a 911 operator told Zimmerman that an officer was on the way and he should not approach the teen.” -CBS article

  19. Florida law requires that all potential trial evidence be released to the public. Names of individual witnesses are redacted, but their statements, including audio recordings are released.

    A black and white photocopy of the above photo was released to the defense and the public in one of the first evidence dumps.

    There is fairly credible speculation that SPD had no intention of charging George Zimmerman, i.e. corruption. The officer who took this photo held it for several days (weeks?) before turning it over. The speculation is that it was used to help the argument that Zimmerman should not be charged.

    If the defense chooses to use this photo in the SYG hearing, the officer who took the picture will have to be on the stand to give the when and where. I expect the prosecution to be able to do an effective job of cross-examination, including questions of the photoshop job.

    There are software tools that can determine exactly how and by what program the photo was manipulated. A couple of computer classes, one being taught by a former LEO are already working on it.

    We’ll have to wait and see.

  20. Officer Wagner held the photo for 3 weeks. The photos at the SPD were taken about 3 hours after the cell phone photo. Is it plausible that the apparent swelling shown in the cell phone photo would be completely gone in 3-3 1/2 hours?

  21. Here is what was posted on another blog re: the photo. It suggests that there was no modification. The create date is 2/26/12 at 7:31 pm and the modify entry is 12/3, yesterday, at 9:10 am, by GIMP.

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  22. I can’t say that Trayvon didn’t hit Zimmerman in the nose, I don’t know how that happened and there are other possibilities besides Trayvon doing the deed. Keep in mind that it was very dark and the grass was probably quite slippery from the rain.

    Zimmerman claimed that Trayvon was on top of him with Trayvon’s hands on Zimmerman’s nose and mouth. Now with all that blood you’d think that there would be traces of Zimmerman’s DNA on Trayvon’s hands and clothes. Nada. Only one small scratch on Trayvon’s hand, one small bit (drop?) of Zimmerman blood on Trayvon’s shirt, none of Zimmerman’s DNA under Trayvon’s fingernails or anywhere else, and, of course, the bullet hole that ripped through his heart and lungs. No defensive injuries on either Trayvon or Zimmerman.

    If the photo is genuine, how serious is the injury if the swelling has gone down in less than 4 hours? Why no black eye? Why were no official photos taken of Zimmerman at the scene? Why did the SPD allow Zimmerman to go the bathroom and get cleaned up before being interviewed? They were at SPD at about 8 pm but the photos of him weren’t taken until after 11, after the initial interview. Why the delay?

    Zimmerman says that after the shot he leapt on top of Trayvon to restrain him, moving his hands to a spread eagle position. Trayvon’s hands were found under his body by the second officer at the scene who turned him over and began CPR. How did Trayvon’s hands get moved from far away from his body to under it? If Zimmerman thought Trayvon was still a threat, why did the screams stopped at the shot? Why did detective Serino tell a witness that the screams were from a kid that it was Zimmerman who was screaming “help”? (Serino is now on late shift patrol duty.)

  23. The kid was taking his dog out for a walk.
    He heard shouting and saw what he thought was one person lying on the ground.
    He assumed that ‘the person’ had slipped and fallen.
    His dog then slipped the leash so he had to go after the dog.

    His evidence is significant in that he says
    – It was really dark. Only one porch light on in the vicinity. This would have been ‘John’s porch. John says his light is permanently on. There is no public lighting in the area.
    – The pair were both horizontal on the ground – hence his impression in the dark of there being a single person
    – No straddling. The fight was not as Zimmerman described.

    In his (in the cold light of day) second statement, John says that there was no MMA-style punching or straddling. He says they were both wrestling horizontal on teh ground. He says it was too dark to see hands or faces. He assumed the one underneath was doing the shouting as that seemed logical to him.

  24. Who are the witnesses that are available at trial. Parents can say why Hoodie left the house. Person on phone can say what was heard. Hoodie is dead and aint talking. Then there is Zimmerman who will stick to his story and his photo. No one will testify what was going thru the mind of dead Hoodie.

  25. We will never know what happened. We all show our own prejudices assuming we know what happened. It will come out in the trial that we will never know for sure.

  26. The primary witness is Zimmerman himself in his non-emergency number call and his walk-thru. His walk-thru and his statements contradict the call in many ways.

    There is a 911 call from a neighbor that captured the screams for help and another quieter deeper voice saying “…f@ck..”. (As in “shut the f@ck up”). The screams stop abruptly at the shot.

    There is Trayvon’s body and the forensics that show that the shot was a contact shot against his hoodie and an intermediate shot against his body. The shot went straight into his body, not at an angle. This to be compared against Zimmerman’s account of him lying on his back with Trayvon on top of him, reaching behind his hip to pull the gun, aim (so as to miss his left hand which was extended in front of him), and fire.

    There are the forensics that show that there were no wounds (except the bullet hole) or dna on Trayvon that support Zimmerman’s story.

    There will undoubtedly be a witness who will testify about the recoil from the gun and the trajectory of the bullet casing and where it was found relative to Trayvon’s body.

    Zimmerman is the only one who can say that Trayvon attacked him and gave him some rather superficial wounds that could have come from other places. Since the NEN call and the forensics say it just couldn’t have happened the way Zimmerman says it did, why believe his story Trayvon attacked him such that he feared for his life?

    One other point that I find a bit scary: Zimmerman’s vital signs were all normal after the incident.

  27. Zimmerman’s big problem is the NEN call.
    He has his story, but it does not match the NEN call.
    The timings of the NEN call and the first 911 call are absolute, as are the words and sounds we hear in the calls.

    There is more to ‘credibility’ than simply not having another person to contradict it.

    He ends the call with a last-minute change from meeting the patrol at the mailboxes to one of the patrol ringing him to find out where he will be.

    NEN call ended at 19:13:41
    First 911 call connected 19:16:11
    That’s a gap of 2 minutes 19 seconds

    The woman who put that 911 call in sounds like she was quick-on-the-draw to call. Even if you allow 19 seconds for her to notice the sounds of a load argument and dial, that’s still a gap of 2 minutes betweem the NEN call ending and the fight starting.

    Zimmerman says he was standing at the East end of the footpath on RVC when the call ended. He says that he started to walk back to his truck then.
    It would take 30 seconds to walk to the point just past the T-junction where he says Martin attacked him.

    Quite apart from the mismatch between the NEN call content and Zimmerman’s walk-through and statements, he’s got a minimum of 1 minute 30 seconds completely unexplained.
    His story is not credible.
    Perhaps if he were pressed on this, he might say that during this one and a half mintes he was “going in no direction” as opposed to “going in the same direction”. He just stood still.

    Flavor of the day is his bloody nose – now brought to you in color.
    So what?
    He was in a fight, he got a bloody nose and some minor cuts on his head.

    His particular gun, even when held two-handed in a proper prepared stance, packs a very significant recoil. “Yup. It’s a jumper!”

    To get that shot in, he would be holding it one-handed and at an awkward angle – right in front of his face.

    His nose was bleeding.
    He says that Martin had a hand over his face and nose, smothering him.
    You can see blood running from his nose in glorious tecnicolor in the photo.
    Why are there no smears?
    Why isn’t his blood/dna on Martin’s hands?

  28. “A 17 year old has an advantage over an older guy. You slow down when you hit age 30. And get slower thereafter.”

    Ceteris paribus. An example of extreme training doesn’t apply, aka Geroge Foreman.

    There’s a lot of emotional baggage on both sides regarding Z v M.

  29. Shano, If the photo is genuine, it seems to show the right side of his nose is what got banged up. This would be consistent with the recoil of the gun that was fired with his right hand.

  30. To receive a cut to the nose from a semi-automatic handgun you would have to hold it within about an inch from the nose. That would be exceptionally out of standard practice for a handgun.

    Though I have seen novice shooters take large caliber revolvers and do this with .44 mag or higher where they hold it somewhat limp wristed and the gun is pulled backward from the recoil and gets them in the forehead or upper nose. Often it goes over their head.

    Idiot yuppies in Bellevue who have never before fired a handgun too often seem to want to shoot the biggest hand cannon they can find and stupid things happen. I took my wife to an indoor range there one time and there were many of them scurrying around. She barely knows anything about firearms and has only shot them a few times but even she knew these fools were an accidental shooting waiting to happen. She wanted to leave. She actually felt more comfortable with four friends and I shooting rifles and shotguns out in the field than even being in the same room with those other guys.

  31. “That would be exceptionally out of standard practice for a handgun.”

    How close is Zimmerman’s description of the shot to “standard practice”?
    He’s flat on his back.
    Martin is straddling him, sitting on his hips and leaning down over him.
    Zimmerman manages to get that little gun out of its concealed carry holster inside and under his belt.
    He has to get it lined up for that shot.
    He says that after the shot that Martin sat up – reinforcing his story that Martin was bending over him while sitting on his hips/middle.

    Elbow very much sharply bent – nearly maximum
    One-handed grip.
    Wrist sharply bent down in order to get the shot straight into the chest.
    I think that this definitely qualifies as “exceptionally out of standard practice”.
    .

    Equal and opposite reaction. The lighter the gun, the more it will behave like the bullet.
    That gun is only 0.8” thick and weighs only 18 ounces when fully loaded – which it was apart from the round that was then moving in the opposite direction to that in which the gun would be attempting to travel in an equal and opposite reaction.

    Look at that video (above) again. Those guys are calm, prepared and using ultra-standard. They remark on the force of the recoil action.
    Think about how Zimmerman would have to hold that gun in order to get that shot in the circumstances.

    It’s still possible that Martin punched Zimmerman, but the ear & eye witnesses, and forensics, don’t support his account of the details of the fight,

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  33. anon, you’re right that the photo is the same as the black and white photocopy. If there was photoshopping it was done most likely before the prosecution got it. The chain of evidence is a bit sloppy. The officer that took the picture with his cell phone, moved it to his computer, deleted the cell phone image and waited 3 weeks before turning it over to SPD. During that 3 weeks there were frequent meetings within SPD about the case and discussions about whether or not to charge Zimmerman.

  34. The original photo was not formally taken as part of the evidence chain. One of the earwitnesses (Jeremy’s partner?) refused to come outside and identify Zimmerman.
    A cop took a photo of Zimmerman and brought it inside to show her.
    It was informal/incidental/accidental – explaining why it didn’t surface immediately – and was not part of a properly managed evidence chain.

    One would need medical expertise to explain the very remarkable difference in nose swelling between that image and the formal ones taken in the police station about three hours later.
    To a layperson’s eyes, there had been a miraculous cure.

    If there is controversy over this, medical opinions would be useful.

  35. I only noticed this thread today.

    BarkinDog, it is gratifying that you have stopped calling the deceased victim Trayvon Martin “choirboy” and that you have moved on to “hoodie.” Look at this, though:

    “Zimmerman had a perfect right to follow this perp on a dark street and to carry a loaded weapon.”

    Interesting. “Perp” did what? Perpetrated what?

    “The punk is dead because he attacked Zimmerman.”

    Interesting. This Black youth has now become a “punk” when in fact Detective Serino pointed out to Zimmerman in a recorded interview, “not a punk.” You still have him down as “punk,” though. Hmmm. And you say he is dead because “he attacked Zimmerman.” We know that because he’s a punk? Or we know that because his hands had Zimmerman’s DNA on them? Or we know that because George Zimmerman, being a “decent American,” would never have attacked the “punk”?

    “I want someone watching out for my safety and property in my neighborhood”

    You do? Hire someone to do that. Make sure the person has no history of attacking law enforcement officers, though. And make sure they’re not on Adderall or have a history of alcohol abuse.

    You say: “and I dont want hoodies creeping around stealing and mugging.”

    Course you don’t, course you don’t. So go kill some hoodies yourself, oh superior being who wants to be able to protect himself from stealing and mugging. Don’t bother checking whether the “hoodies” you kill have ever stolen or mugged first, however; that would involve unnecessary amounts of FOIA requests, fact-checking and so forth. Just assume if they’re Black they’ll do.

    You advise, “If you have ever lived in a neighborhood that “went South” then you might know where I am coming from and know where I am not going back to.”

    Well now we begin to see what happened to you to give you this “kill’em ’cause’n we gots to norder ta protect ours sacred a55es” sort of take on life. You, like GZ, are sure somebody’s out to mug and rob you and steal your stuff and beat you up and so forth… What happened, doggie, was mommy a b*tch?

    You opine: “Punks slingking around in the dark make life in America miserable.”

    Wow. You’ze juss mizzable here, huh? From “punks slingking around in the dark”? So let me ask you this: how come GZ didn’t tell either Sean on the NEN call or Hannity on National TV that the punk was slingking? He said that the punk was SKIPPING! You also scairt of punks SKIPPING AROUND in the dark? STAY HOME AFTER 6 PM, you yellow-bellied lab!

    And the crowning glory: “This dead guy has a family with a whining lawyer who is praying for a conviction so that they can sue the homeowners association and steal some more money.”

    OK, I usually don’t kick dogs but this one deserves a roundhouse in the soft underbelly. The “dead guy’s family” stole some money already? From whom, YOUM? And their whining lawyer, did he go on-line yet saying he’d send a hand-signed thank-you note to anybody who’d send him cash?

    Hey BarkinDog, you forgot to finish up with the moral of your story:

    “Bad Bad BAD Blacks: Stop stealing money from DOGS! See how much trouble you cause?”

    Seriously, BarkinDog, this comment you posted was offensive. Many of your comments are quite wonderful to read and you have, in the past, often been quite good to “know” on-line. But I am disgusted with this one. And I am telling myself that probably what happened to you was that some African American in some bad neighborhood in your past did something terrible and humiliating to you. And you are still angry, still smarting, and still snarling. But get this: it was not Trayvon Martin.

  36. The structure of my own mini-blog got messed a bit in June following the release of the walk-through videos. I did some quick updates before disappearing off on a field trip.

    One of these days, I’ll go back and redo it.

    In the meantime, I have little explosions of verbiage elsewhere.
    The latest ones have been in a Stately Manor.

    Here’s my latest on credibility…
    http://statelymcdanielmanor.wordpress.com/2012/06/13/the-trayvon-martin-case-update-11-the-dee-dee-interview-kaboom/#comment-5621

  37. Malisha kicks a dog who deserved it for once. Well done.

    Thanks for all the work you have done on this case Sling, actually both Sling and Malisha.
    Great insights from both of you.

  38. THIS PICTURE HAS BEEN AROUND ALMOST SINCE THE BEGINNING. IT WAS JUST SHOWN IN BLACK AND WHITE RATHER THAN COLOR. DON’T KNOW WHY SUCH A BIG DEAL IS MADE OF IT. It very much appears to be a photo shopped copy of the original showing a crooked nose and bright red blood in color photo. His nose could not have been this crooked and then by the time you see him in person after it was supposed to be made, the nose was no longer crooked. Miracle of miracle’s. DUH!!!

  39. I know this if off topic but I’m looking into starting my own weblog and was wondering what all is required to get setup? I’m
    assuming having a blog like yours would cost a pretty penny?
    I’m not very internet smart so I’m not 100% positive. Any recommendations or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you

  40. George Zimmerman’s Brother: ‘Black Teens’ Are Killers
    By Aviva Shen on Mar 25, 2013
    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/03/25/1768541/george-zimmermans-brother-black-teens-are-killers/

    Excerpt:
    Since he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last year, George Zimmerman has been trying to convince the public that he was not acting simply out of racist aggression but because Martin attacked him. Zimmerman’s brother, Robert Zimmerman Jr, is not helping his cause. On Saturday, Zimmerman went on a Twitter tirade against “black teens,” equating the boy killed by his brother with De’Marquise Elkins, the 17-year-old suspect in the murder of a Georgia infant.

    As highlighted by Mediaite, Zimmerman tweeted a photo comparison between Elkins and Martin flipping their middle fingers with the caption, “A picture speaks a thousand words…Any questions?”

    Zimmerman tweeted the photo at Michael Moore, the NAACP, the NRA, and a Breitbart.com editor. He followed it up with another comparison between the two, tweeting “Teen to West: “Do you want me to shoot your baby?” #TrayvonMartin to #GeorgeZimmerman: You’re gonna die tonight Motherf**ker.”

  41. rafflaw,

    Sometimes you just have to scratch a little to actually find out what’s behind the veneer. Does Zimmerman’s brother actually think he’s helping him by doing this?

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