The Latest Tea Party Darling

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Respectfully submitted by Lawrence E. Rafferty (rafflaw)- Guest Blogger

Lost in the headlines about the Fiscal Cliff and the tragedy at the Sandy Hook Elementary School, was the gubernatorial appointment to the United States Senate seat being vacated by Sen. Jim DeMint.  Sen. DeMint was arguably the Tea Party’s Senator and his impending departure from the Senate to accept the position to head up the Heritage Foundation would have left a gaping hole in the Tea Party’s influence in the Senate.  There is nothing to worry about because South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley named Tea Party Congressman Tim Scott to replace DeMint in the Senate.  Rep. Scott was just elected to the House of Representatives in 2010 and has already made a big name for himself in the Tea Party world by suggesting that President Obama should be impeached if Obama attempted to go around the House of Representatives during the last debt ceiling fiasco!

Rep. Scott should fit into Sen. DeMint’s shoes very nicely.  Mr. Scott has gone out of his way to back unlimited access to guns and could not imagine a world without Billion dollar subsidies to the big oil companies. “Scott and his Republican allies in Congress voted repeatedly last year to protect more than $50 billion in taxpayer subsidies for Big Oil corporations. When ThinkProgress asked Scott whether it was fair to do that, especially at a time when oil companies are earning tens of billions in profit every quarter, the Tea Party freshman defended the industry: “fair is a relative word,” said Scott.”  Think Progress  Let me make sure that we understand Rep. Scott’s position here.  He has no qualms over giving billions to the oil companies, but this same man of the people, proposed a bill in 2011 that would kick an entire family off of food stamps if it was “discovered” that one family member had gone out on a strike!

“Much of the bill is based upon verifying that those who receive food stamps benefits are meeting the federal requirements for doing so. However, one section buried deep within the bill adds a startling new requirement. The bill, if passed, would actually cut off all food stamp benefits to any family where one adult member is engaging in a strike against an employer:

Think Progress

This bill would have not only put needy families in even more financial distress, it would have had a chilling effect on the rights of workers to engage in collective bargaining with their employers.  I thought that the Tea Party was supposed to be patriots for the people and a defender against Big Government takeovers and intrusions into our lives.  You can imagine my shock when I discovered that Rep. Scott was a co-sponsor of the bill that would strip food stamps from needy families while at the same time gladly handing out billions to large oil corporations.

This same Tea Party “patriot” when he was a South Carolina state representative  backed a proposal to cut South Carolina’s entire HIV/AIDS budget that ended up negatively impacting the lives of more than 2,000 South Carolina citizens who were HIV positive.  Without these needed funds, the ill citizens would have increased difficulty in paying for their life saving medications.  Rep. Scott was undeterred by the fact that these fellow South Carolina citizens might actually die without these funds.  It didn’t matter to him that his state was one of the worst states in the nation for AIDS cases.

Soon to be Senator Tim Scott is also a staunch defender of the so-called  “traditional marriage” and solidly anti-gay.  Of course, that has nothing to do with his decision to back the bill to strip the HIV/AIDS funds from the budget!  Rod 2.0

This man of the people was backed in his election bid to the Congress by Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee.  With friends like that, his radical and out of touch agenda is not a surprise.  From Rep. Scott’s resume, it seems that South Carolina will be getting a Jim DeMint twin and the far-right policies that Sen. DeMint espoused are safe in his hands.  Rep. Scott, as suggested earlier, is also a very big supporter of unregulated guns.

“In his one term in the U.S. House and his tenure in South Carolina politics, Senator-Designate Tim Scott (R-SC) has earned a reputation as one of the nation’s strongest opponents of gun restrictions. On his campaign website, the card-carrying NRA member notes his strong support of the right to bear arms and promises to fight attempts to weaken gun rights “in any way.”  Think Progress

I think Sen. DeMint will be pleased that a chip off of the old block will be replacing him in the United States Senate.  However, in a Congress that is almost totally dysfunctional, is Senator Designate Scott really the right way to go?  What do you think about any Senator taking such a harsh stance on gun control or on gay rights?  When a majority of gun owners agree that common sense gun controls are needed, how can a United State Senator be so out of touch with his fellow gun owners?  Is this really a prime example of corporate money getting what it pays for?  What do you think of our latest United States Senator?  Merry Christmas to all!!

55 thoughts on “The Latest Tea Party Darling

  1. Is this really a prime example of corporate money getting what it pays for?
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    Yes. It’s also a prime example of the American public getting what they deserve. There will be an adjustment eventually. Will the adjustment be gradual or sudden?

  2. A subsidy is something given by the government to a company. The oil companies don’t get billions in subsidies. The oil companies get tax exemptions for ethinol etc. Tax breaks that if they didn’t get they would pass the costs on to the consumers. Obama gave SUBSIDIES to the green energy business,Solandra etc. in the billions

  3. For one thing, depriving family members of food stamps if one member goes out on strike is, besides being unconstitutional, an end game around the criminal code. If you cannot be deprived of a property interest without due process, you cannot lose food stamps as a result of the LEGAL (or even illegal) conduct of another member of your family. So what that portion of the law would seek to do would be to not only deprive an individual of his property interest without due process, but throw the rest of the family’s property interests into the same boat, without any proof of either the crime or the conspiracy to commit the crime.

    This is, of course, a natural result of allowing the government to just do away with people’s rights whenever they throw in some “governmental sounding” language appearing to promote some state interest in something.

  4. What do I think? I think Scott is another Tea Party wingnut who is probably worse than Demint.

    *****

    Welcome To The Senate, Tim Scott
    By Charles P. Pierce
    12/17/12
    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/tim-scott-appointed-to-senate-121712

    South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley — because, alas, she doesn’t have the chutzpah to appoint herself and her upward-rising 38 percent approval rating — will pick Congressman Tim Scott to replace Jim DeMint, who is leaving the Senate in order to turn the Heritage Foundation from a fake think-tank into a genuine hive of undistilled crazy. Scott is an African-American, which makes his appointment a big deal, if you’re the shade of either John C. Calhoun or Strom Thurmond. He is also wingnuttier than DeMint ever thought of being, and DeMint thought of being pretty damned wingnutty.

    I think this one is my favorite.

    “This president is looking to usurp congressional oversight to find a way to get it done without us. My position is that is an impeachable act from my perspective,” said Rep. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) at a meeting sponsored by the Tea Party group LowCountry 9.12 Project on Tuesday, first reported by Lindsay Street on Summerville Patch. His comments were met with enthusiastic applause. “There are a lot of things people say, ‘Are you going to impeach the president over that?’ — No. But this? This is catastrophic,” continued Scott. “This jeopardizes the credibility of our nation if one man can usurp the entire system set up by our founding fathers over something this significant.”

    Apropos of the latest news.

    This guy is going to be worth the price of admission.

  5. Rafflaw,

    Excellent job. I have flashed for him twíce with excerpts from the NYTimes but you have done a more concise and telling picture than they did.

    But then you are not sponsored by big advertizers as the NYTimes is.

    Maybe Scott imagines himself the Republican answer to Obama or in line next time. First black senator from the South since 1880. They should have all moved North to another kind of repression.

    Bruce,
    Don’t be so picky on terms. We know what the substance is about.
    If we call it the oil depletion allowance or what, we still know it an unmotivated exemption from taxes on profits. And even JFK was iffy on removing it, and why Johnson et al aided his assassination.

    Nixon was removed for the same reason, with the CIA planned and fixed Watergate. See Russ Baker’s book.

  6. Malisha,
    You are a damn good contributor on constitutional issues. I would be green with envy were it possible and not worthless.

    To punish the children in the seventh lead. To extinguish a blood line,
    Many crimes are committed in the name of the law.
    But to revert to dictatorial associational unjust punishment is unusual, even for a black Senator from SC. He was a co-sponsor, yes?

  7. Bruce,
    If the company has to pay less taxes due to the subsidy, it is saving those Billions. It is the same as an outright gift. It doesn’t matter what the subsidies are for, the companies are making billions and do not need the subsidies or gifts anymore. The solar and wind companies still need them. By the way, check your numbers on how much Solyndra got and compare them to the oil companies windfall that they have received for years!

  8. The Party of Lincoln is coming full circle. Too bad that this guy had to trade in his honor to roll over and go to bed with the party of the Southern Strategy as outlined by Lee Atwater, the genuis from SC who formulated the strategy that Nxon, Raygun, Bushies and now Willard all pursued. You dont have to say the N word three times, Lee said, to appeal to the bigots. You can use things like welfare cheats and other symbolic statements to get the white rednecks to switch from the Democrat Party over to RepubliCon. Google: Lee Atwater and look it up folks. The strategy was a success over these forty years. The red states are all over the South except Va and FL. Of course the RepubliCons have lost the Northeast which they used to own and much other territory. Such that they are about a 200 electoral vote party now. Dems will get Texas in a few years and NC. Lee is celebrating in heaven. Up there with Bobby Lee.

  9. Here is the wikipedia excerpt from the Lee Atwater interview:

    Atwater on the Southern Strategy

    As a member of the Reagan administration in 1981, Atwater gave an anonymous interview to political scientist Alexander P. Lamis. Part of the interview was printed in Lamis’s book The Two-Party South, then reprinted in Southern Politics in the 1990s with Atwater’s name revealed. Bob Herbert reported on the interview in the October 6, 2005, edition of The New York Times. On November 13, 2012, The Nation magazine released the audio of the full interview.[7] James Carter IV, grandson of former president Jimmy Carter, had asked and been granted access to these tapes by the widow of the recently deceased interviewer, Mr. Lamis. Atwater talked about the Republican Southern Strategy and Ronald Reagan’s version of it:

    Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry S. Dent, Sr. and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [the new Southern Strategy of Ronald Reagan] doesn’t have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he’s campaigned on since 1964 and that’s fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster.

    Questioner: But the fact is, isn’t it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

    Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger” — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now [that] you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”[8][9]

    [edit] 1988 election

    Atwater’s most noteworthy campaign was the 1988 presidential election, where he served as the campaign manager for Republican nominee George H.W. Bush. A particularly aggressive media program included a television advertisement produced by Floyd Brown comparing Bush and Democratic nominee Michael Dukakis on crime. Bush supported the death penalty for first-degree murderers, while Dukakis opposed the death penalty. Dukakis also supported a felon furlough program originally begun under Republican Governor Francis Sargent in 1972. Prison furlough programs had been long established in California during the governorship of Republican Ronald Reagan, prior to 1980, but never allowed furlough for convicted murderers sentenced to life in prison.

    —–

    Lee is deceased, but his legacy lives on. Deminted is moving on to the Heritage Foundation and new guy is about to take center stage. It is just wonderful.

  10. Meh.

    Not so great Scott?
    Less than spectacular Scott?
    Approaching mediocre Scoot?
    More of the same Scott?

    All so much more applicable than great Scott.

  11. A great piece of classic leftist propaganda: devoid of facts, oblivious to reality, and driven by the recognition that leftists have an insatiable need to feel better about themselves.

    If the subsidies or tax breaks to the “big oil companies” are so troublesome to you, why don’t you simply invest in those same “big oil companies” and get fabulously wealthy as the stock prices rocket to the moon? Of course, you realize that you won’t really get rich investing in those companies because whatever level of subsidies those companies receive is a drop in the bucket.

    Perhaps you could invest in those wonderful “Green subsidies” that are the pride and joy of leftists everywhere? Those are okay, of course, because they are coming from other beloved leftists, not those evil “teabagger.” Those subsidies are great, and you will get fablously rich AND be doing a wonderful thing for humanity by spreading “green” everywhere, and making life just so much better. Just think how much better you will feel about yourselves? You will prove that you are a true leftist: helping humanity and making life “better” for “all,” right?

    Of course, the billions of dollars that went down that black hole (making the receivers of the cash–or real “green”–very, very rich) have, apparently, vanished into the ether. Think of those wonderful, delightful, and anti-teagger subsidies to such marvelous ventures as Solyndra, Beacon Power, Abound Solar, and Nevada Geothermal Power. Yes, they each have such charming and engaging “green” sounding names, but, alas, those wonderful leftist enterprises are gone. Some of that money, you will be happy to know, came back to support your favorite leftist candidates, but most of the big money is now safely away, invested in real businesses, earning excellent returns for the corporate leftist big-government insiders. But that’s okay. It’s all good, when the leftists do it. That goes without saying.

    Perhaps, leftist Jonathan Turley will let me write one of the blogs for an opposing point of view for a change–instead of always having one leftist article after another. Wouldn’t that be a great idea?

    But no. Lefitsts don’t work like that. And besides, that would change the character of this site from a leftist blog into something dealing with stuff like the facts, the evidence, the truth, and all those other things that perplex and annoy leftists.

    So keep up the great work, and enjoy the propaganda. You will feel so much better about yourselves, compared to those evil teabaggers.

  12. Ralph,
    That dog won’t hunt. There oil companies are very profitable and people do make money investing in them. Just check the Dow results Ralph, or do those fact thingees get I your way?

  13. Ralph,
    Show us the billions that you allege green companies received and then let’s compare them to the long term oil subsidies! As Spiro Agnew once said, “no contest”.

  14. Ralph Adamo,

    You are consequential, I won’t say how out of deference to the blog and the holiday season.

    Your facts and opinions don’t hold water. If the oil depletion allowance is so inconsequential then how is that motive for JFK murder and falsely deposing NIxon, the latter no favorite of mine. Source. Russ Baker’s book.

    Further if so inconsequential, why protest?

    Methinks the gentleman is seeking attention today, thus his raging attack despising all to the left of Adolf. Adolf Rumpelstiltskin of course.

  15. I guess you have a point, at least in your eyes, Ralph A. But on the actual subject of the blog post, the new Senator from South Carolina, can you really find anything substantial about the guy? Or do you just want to rant against so-called “leftists”. Scott is the wrong guy to use as a foil to bash lefties. It would be hard to imagine anyone worse. You destroy any possible weight to your argument by hinging on this pathetic scuzzball. Now bash away.

  16. Ralph,

    You are showing your ignorance. Still in the left vs right paradigm are you?
    All informed and that is most here are liberal or conservative which is more than mere name changes.

    It also entails that we know both parties have their corps. who suck on the federal teat, so both parties are rotten. Have YOU realized that?

  17. You guys are getting better. I did not hear the “dogma” word employed today. Now if you would just start using “schmuckMa”… this or that, then I would be a happy dog.

  18. Raff I pay about $0.45 a gallon federal tax on gas. remove the tax and the tax incentives that the oil companies get and let the oil companies have half the amount of the federal tax. How much in taxes do you pay for wind farm and solar?

  19. If these things are what Tim Scott believes, so be it. He was elected as Rep. by the people he represents…a lot of the same people he will represent as Senator. Are you saying they were wrong to elect him in the first place or that the Gov. was wrong to appoint him? I’m not sure I understand the problem here? Unless, of course, it is because he and his constituents don’t agree with you? Diversity is good, diverse opinions not so much?

  20. Beverelliee,
    I have no problem with the process that resulted in Scott being designated as the replacement for DeMint. I just exposed his record as a radical, ant-gay and against any reasonable gun control. He may have been voted in to his Republican district, but he is far outside the mainstream of the country.

  21. You lefties act as though the Tea Party are a bunch of radicals, when basically all they want to do is quit spending money we don’t have and lower the deficit. you folks want to raise the debt limit and keep spending and can’t stand anyone that’s aganist it. Liberal politicians have spent us into debt we can’t payoff.

  22. Bruce,

    How do you propose keeping your benefits and pension in the SS sytem?
    The Tea baggers along with other Ryan supporters want to take it away

    They don’t like Medicare and Medicaid too. Would you eliminate them to reduce taxes for the righ=

    Would you sacrifince some of our military budget, which is larger than the next 15 hations on the list.

    Take positions or shut up. Your talking points are long dead.

  23. Idealist, congress has already stole all the SS tax that people and employers have paid in to the system, why do you think Al Gore wanted a lock box. Clinton used the SS taxes to “balance the budget”

  24. Ryans plan won’t effect anyone over 55. The Obama administration is printing money which decreases the buying power of the dollar and causes inflation which is harming the poor and those on fixed incomes.

  25. id there are cuts that should be made across the board foreign aid, military streamlining, welfare, do away with Obummer care, and raise taxes, everybody should have to pay something. How about a 100% tariff on all products from companies that have moved offshore and a 50% tariff on everything else that we import, these companies will move back to the U.S. and put Citizens back to work. The one thing that we have is the biggest market in the world, I know you would hate to see these poor people have to earn a living instead of getting aid.

  26. Bruce, in your description of who the Tea Party is and why, you just strung six sound bytes together, not a single one of which relates to a factual matter.

  27. FreedomWorks Feud: War Inside Tea Party Group Gets Nastier
    A legal probe is launched, and FreedomWorks’ president accuses ex-chairman Dick Armey of trying to subvert the group.
    —By David Corn
    Mon Dec. 24, 2012
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/dick-armey-freedomworks-hostile-takeover-memo

    Excerpt:
    When the news broke in early December that former GOP Rep. Dick Armey had abruptly resigned as chairman of FreedomWorks, a powerhouse of the conservative movement and an instrumental force within the tea party, Armey maintained that the nasty split was due to differences he had with the top management of FreedomWorks about the group’s operations and future. Immediately, media reports disclosed that Armey had been concerned that Matt Kibbe, the group’s president, had used FreedomWorks resources to promote a book he had written (which was released in June) and that Armey himself had received an $8 million payout from a FreedomWorks board member to ease his departure. But internal documents obtained by Mother Jones show that the bitter war inside FreedomWorks has also resulted in allegations of staff wrongdoing (prompting an investigation by lawyers) and counter-allegations that Armey and his allies tried to turn FreedomWorks into a partisan outfit backing establishment Republicans over tea party insurgents.

    On December 12, James Burnley IV and C. Boyden Gray, two FreedomWorks board members (and allies of Armey), sent Kibbe a letter informing him that they had received “allegations of wrongdoing by the organization or its employees.” They notified Kibbe that the group’s board of trustees had retained two attorneys, Alfred Regnery and David Martin, to conduct an independent investigation of the allegations. Burnley and Gray ordered Kibbe to cooperate with the lawyers, to make sure no records were “destroyed, deleted, modified or otherwise tampered with,” and to send Regnery a check for $25,000 to cover his initial fees. (Regnery, a prominent conservative, is the past president of Regnery Publishing, a right-wing firm that has put out books by Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Pat Buchanan, and other notable conservatives.) The letter did not specify the allegations being investigated. In an interview with Mother Jones, Burnley declined to discuss the alleged wrongdoing at FreedomWorks. “The letter speaks for itself,” he says. Gray, Kibbe, and a spokeswoman for FreedomWorks did not respond to requests for comment.

  28. Bruce.

    Your sound bites are increasing. Hardly a fact in post. Not even original comments or opinion. The gaps in lack of thinking get larger and larger.

    Take one example. Have you ever examined the text of the NAFTA trade treaty? Nope?
    Can you realize that your solution of getting the jobs to come home because of high tariffs is not solidly based.

    My own view is that such actions would cause the now international American companies no harm at all. They would develop new markets overseas to replace us. They thereby would help develop these countries, or the products won’t sell.

    The fate of America I wiill leave to Tony C. to explain. My economiss are not adequate.

    I guess we would wither behind our tariff walls, like most high tariff countries do. No tariff trading is fine in itseelf but leads to exploitation, of natural resources, hindered national development and exploitation of starvation economies in other nations.

    We are fast developing our own one here, with no freedom of action on the labor market, moving the social burdens to society while reducing and impeding the programs of food stamps and Medicaid, and action radius socially.

  29. Bruce 1, December 24, 2012 at 4:00 am

    You lefties act as though the Tea Party are a bunch of radicals, when basically all they want to do is quit spending money we don’t have and lower the deficit. you folks want to raise the debt limit and keep spending and can’t stand anyone that’s aganist it. Liberal politicians have spent us into debt we can’t payoff.
    ——————

    Bruce, The deficit is the difference between what comes in and what goes out in the budget. The debt is the deficit (plus interest) that is carried over, year to year. Congress is in charge of deciding what money is spent and what it is spent for. The debt limit ceiling is to allow the government to actually pay the bills that Congress has already put on the credit card. The debt ceiling doesn’t limit spending, it limits the ability to pay what’s already been spent.

    The problem I have with the Tea Party’s approach to spending is that it’s hell bend on killing the programs that do the most for the most people and continue the spending for programs that are too expensive and that do the most damage to the most people. Social security is something that we all contributed to while we were working (disclaimer: I rely on my SS check for basic necessities), it is not broke and any problems with it can easily be fixed by eliminating the ceiling where payments stop. Privatizing it will kill it, and, eventually, all those who rely on it.

    Corporate welfare needs to be cut but, no, only welfare for real living breathing people is to be cut. You mention military spending needs to be cut. We agree on that but I think you jumped to the other side on that. I don’t hear that from most Tea Party folks.

    “Liberal politicians have spent us into debt we can’t payoff.”

    If you’ll take a closer look at the facts you’ll find that the both parties are responsible for the spending, with the spending much higher during times that the Republicans are in control. After all, we’re paying more for the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Israel, etc. (I include Israel b/c we are supplying them with the armaments for its wars) than we pay for all the “entitlements” for the people combined. We’re paying for thousands of drones that will be increasing deployed across this country in the next year or so.

  30. Guess someone doesn’t like my objection to the content.

    The United States is spending $92 million to build Afghanistan a new “Pentagon,” a massive five-story military headquarters with domed roofs and a high-tech basement command center that will link Afghan generals with their troops fighting the Taliban across the country.

    But when Defense Minister Abdul Rahim Wardak asked for a bigger office in the building — a change that would cost about $300,000 — he got a firm “no” in response. These types of changes cost time and money, U.S. military officials said, and in Afghanistan, both are in ever-shorter supply.

    “We could do them, but we’re not going to do them,” Col. Andrew Backus, the director of engineering for the NATO command in charge of training and equipping the Afghan security forces, said of the Afghans’ proposed revisions. “What we’re going to do is finish the project with strict change control and turn it over to the Afghans. And if they want to change it, then they can change it.”

    The military headquarters building is one of the most prominent public symbols of America’s ongoing financial commitment to Afghanistan. Even at this late stage of the war, with American troops beginning their withdrawal, the U.S. government is still working its way through a $10 billion menu of construction projects aimed at bolstering the Afghan security forces. Of the 1,150 buildings planned, more than 600—or more than half—have been completed, with a total value of $4 billion.

    In addition to the Defense Ministry headquarters, the United States is building a $54 million Kabul headquarters for the Interior Ministry, which oversees the Afghan police, as well as a $102 million base for the military’s 201st Corps in eastern Afghanistan.

  31. Bruce,

    I know there is a need for rationalizing government. Bureaucracy is a pig which needs to be leaned. And the budget deficits and national debt should also be reduced.

    So we agree on the goals, but not on the way to do it. And a constant deficit spending, along with things like the Iraq and Afghan wars financed OFF the budget, is not a way to diminish the national debt if you would prioritize that.

    The politicians much prefer these issues of deficits and debt to the real issues.
    The major issue is our complete dominance by the MCI complex, am tempted to call it a conglomerate. And it dominates politics our economy, and our need for jobs in your and my town.

    How do we downsize the military without causing a recession? A long process: militarily, economically, and technically. And lots of items on the table for discussing and horse trading. But the lobbyists hold most of the cards, making it an almost impossible game.

    With the reduction of terrorist acts and their numbers, the chief legal counsel of DoD, signaled in a speech in LONDON, that the days of chasing terrorist with the milítary is on the near horizon. That event passed without notice in our media, but not in the UK. But it is a fact. So the MCI looks for a new way to replace the terrorist market by turning to USA and having us all declared potential terrorists, and thus worthy of surveillance and engaging the military against all laws in conflicts here(?) in the USA. The NDAA was a move in that direction.

    So do we exhaust ourselves by wars of pacification, laughable programs of nation-building, and continue to kill children causing more recruits to stream to the ranks of our opposers?

    Wars take money which could be spent on caring for our own—-that is one of my motivations.

    What are your motivations?

    I AM OF COURSE ADDRESSING A WIDER FORUM THAN JUST YOUR EARS. COMMENTS WELCOME.

    YOU ARE ALL CELEBRATING XMAS. LEND A THOUGHT TO YOUR FUTURE AND THE FUTURE OF THE WORLD’S PEOPLE. THE FUTURE DEPENDS ON YOU.

  32. Betty Kath,

    Been there, done that—-although it was in Thailand in 1965.
    Of course, we were building ONLY military bases for ourselves.
    But the contractors got rich anyway.

    Ironically, there are hundreds of buildings: skyscrapers, abandoned military bases, etc which dot the lands of former CCCP dominated countries.
    Particularly the skyscrapers are prominently placed, eternal reminders of the suppression in those times, and a symbol of a threat to democracy today.

    Warsay has a well-hated example.

    Thanks for exposing, I suppose, little known aspects of a useless drain on our taxes.

  33. AY,

    You have a good idea for nasty things. How indeed could it not be.
    Particularly as he wants to stick it to his own color compatriots, in such eyecatcihing ways.

    On a strict logical basis we would have to say the same of white teabaggers doing their own poor in with their contemplated measures of savings.
    Now wouldn’t we? But then we call it just politics.

    Now Gene will tell me that is an example of false equivalency, and he may be right. He usually is.

    And a merry one to you.

  34. rafflaw,

    Here’s a very interesting article about Dick Armey, FreedomWorks, and the money behind some tea party groups:

    FreedomWorks tea party group nearly falls apart in fight between old and new guard
    By Amy Gardner, Published: December 25
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/freedomworks-tea-party-group-nearly-falls-apart-in-fight-between-old-and-new-guard/2012/12/25/dd095b68-4545-11e2-8061-253bccfc7532_story.html

    Excerpt:
    The day after Labor Day, just as campaign season was entering its final frenzy, FreedomWorks, the Washington-based tea party organization, went into free fall.

    Richard K. Armey, the group’s chairman and a former House majority leader, walked into the group’s Capitol Hill offices with his wife, Susan, and an aide holstering a handgun at his waist. The aim was to seize control of the group and expel Armey’s enemies: The gun-wielding assistant escorted FreedomWorks’ top two employees off the premises, while Armey suspended several others who broke down in sobs at the news.

    The coup lasted all of six days. By Sept. 10, Armey was gone — with a promise of $8 million — and the five ousted employees were back. The force behind their return was Richard J. Stephenson, a reclusive Illinois millionaire who has exerted increasing control over one of Washington’s most influential conservative grass-roots organizations.

    Stephenson, the founder of the for-profit Cancer Treatment Centers of America and a director on the FreedomWorks board, agreed to commit $400,000 per year over 20 years in exchange for Armey’s agreement to leave the group.

    The episode illustrates the growing role of wealthy donors in swaying the direction of FreedomWorks and other political groups, which increasingly rely on unlimited contributions from corporations and financiers for their financial livelihood. Such gifts are often sent through corporate shells or nonprofit groups that do not have to disclose their donors, making it impossible for the public to know who is funding them.

    In the weeks before the election, more than $12 million in donations was funneled through two Tennessee corporations to the FreedomWorks super PAC after negotiations with Stephenson over a preelection gift of the same size, according to three current and former employees with knowledge of the arrangement. The origin of the money has not previously been reported.

    These and other new details about the near-meltdown at FreedomWorks were gleaned from interviews with two dozen current and past associates, most of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to talk freely.

    The disarray comes as the conservative movement is struggling to find its way after the November elections, which brought a second term for President Obama and Democratic gains in the House and Senate. Armey said in an interview that the near-meltdown at his former group has damaged the conservative cause.

    “FreedomWorks was the spark plug, the energy source, the catalyst for the movement through the 2010 elections,” Armey said, referring to the GOP midterm sweep. “Harm was done to the movement.”

    Stephenson, 73, declined a request for an interview. Matt Kibbe, the group’s president, and Adam Brandon, its senior vice president, declined to discuss the issue.

    “I don’t comment on donors,” Brandon said. “He’s on our board, he’s a board member like anyone else. That’s it. I see him at board meetings.”

    Stephenson, a longtime but little-known player in conservative causes, is a resident of Barrington, Ill., a northwest suburb of Chicago known for its affluence and sprawling horse estates such as his Tudor Oaks Farm. He founded the Cancer Treatment Centers of America in 1988 following his mother’s death from bladder cancer, according to the for-profit company’s Web site and his public remarks. Stephenson also holds investments in a broad portfolio of other businesses, including finance and real estate companies.

    Stephenson has a passion for libertarian politics stretching back to the 1960s, when he attended seminars featuring “Atlas Shrugged” author Ayn Rand and economist Murray Rothbard, according to those who know him at FreedomWorks. Like Armey, Stephenson was an early supporter of Citizens for a Sound Economy, the conservative lobbying group founded by oil billionaires Charles and David Koch in 1984 that split into FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity 20 years later. The Kochs, known for bankrolling a variety of conservative causes, kept control of AFP, while Stephenson and Armey stayed with FreedomWorks.

    FreedomWorks has been on a remarkable run in recent election cycles, growing its annual budget from $7 million to $40 million in just a few years and helping lead the tea party movement against Obama’s agenda. The group was among several that rose up last week in opposition to a failed proposal from House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) to raise federal taxes on millionaires.

    The group played a crucial role in ushering a wave of tea party candidates into office in recent years, staging rallies, hawking books and videos, and organizing media appearances with conservative personalities such as Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.

    “I’ve enjoyed my association with FreedomWorks,” said Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah), who defeated incumbent Bob Bennett with help from the group. “Matt Kibbe and Dick Armey endorsed me early in my candidacy for the U.S. Senate, and they were a big help to me.”

    Despite such testimonials, FreedomWorks has struggled with accusations that it is an “astro­turfer” — a national organization of big-money donors that swept in to lay claim to an independent movement.

    According to public records, FreedomWorks received more than $12 millionbefore the election from two corporations based in Knoxville, Tenn.: Specialty Investments Group and Kingston Pike Development. The firms were established within a day of each other by William S. Rose III, a local bankruptcy lawyer.

  35. I’d like to know how the person calling himself ‘Ralph Adamo’ on this site and spouting BS more or less fulltime across the internet earns his living. I am guessing as a paid lobbyist or employee of a right-wing ‘think tank,’ that oxymoron.

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