New York Mom Arrested For Hiring Strippers For Son’s 16th Birthday Party

Judy_VigerWhile some teenage boys might nominate her as “mother of the year,” Judy H. Viger, 33, has been arrested on five counts of endangering the welfare of a child after she allegedly hired strippers to perform at her 16-year-old son’s birthday party.

Prosecutors insist that the dancers (who did not strip nude) did perform intimate dances and that five of the kids were younger than 17. Police also reported that several kids at the party got lap dances. However, there were over 80 kids and adults at the party watching the performance of women from “Tops to Bottoms.”

I find the party wildly inappropriate and I would be exceptionally ticked off if I was not told about the theme (and I would not allow my kid to attend the party). The picture below does show how inappropriate the party was. I cannot imagine any parent watching this type of display, let alone arrange it. However, the question is whether it is a form of endangerment, particularly if the parents of the boys were present. What is interesting is that the parents of the other boys could also be charged under this standard:

§ 260.10 Endangering the welfare of a child.
A person is guilty of endangering the welfare of a child when:
1. He or she knowingly acts in a manner likely to be injurious to the
physical, mental or moral welfare of a child less than seventeen years
old or directs or authorizes such child to engage in an occupation
involving a substantial risk of danger to his or her life or health; or
2. Being a parent, guardian or other person legally charged with the
care or custody of a child less than eighteen years old, he or she fails
or refuses to exercise reasonable diligence in the control of such child
to prevent him or her from becoming an “abused child,” a “neglected
child,” a “juvenile delinquent” or a “person in need of supervision,” as
those terms are defined in articles ten, three and seven of the family
court act.
3. A person is not guilty of the provisions of this section when he or
she engages in the conduct described in subdivision one of section
260.00 of this article: (a) with the intent to wholly abandon the child
by relinquishing responsibility for and right to the care and custody of
such child; (b) with the intent that the child be safe from physical
injury and cared for in an appropriate manner; (c) the child is left
with an appropriate person, or in a suitable location and the person who
leaves the child promptly notifies an appropriate person of the child’s
location; and (d) the child is not more than thirty days old.
Endangering the welfare of a child is a class A misdemeanor.

The use of “moral welfare” in the language is highly problematic from a constitutional standpoint. Since there was not physical harm, the only enforceable basis would be mental harm. Would watching or even participating in a lap dance be mentally harmful for a 16 year old boy today? Should this be charged as a crime?

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Source: New York Daily

77 thoughts on “New York Mom Arrested For Hiring Strippers For Son’s 16th Birthday Party

  1. Isn’t that like legislating morality? Nanny government at its best? Tacky for sure, but endangerment? Is there actually a law on the books saying it is illegal for a mother to hire strippers for her son’s party? If there’s no specific law against it (and how she would be supposed to know about the law anyway I have no clue), then I hardly see how it’s illegal. And if it’s not illegal she should not have been arrested. They are making stuff up to arrest people for now.

  2. Hrrrumphh!

    Please note that she was very young when she had her son (first child?).
    Therefore she is a product of improper upbringing herself. Hrumph,
    That she is vicariously experiencing what her 16 year old dream was or is re-living it.
    Leaving all harrumphs aside, let us note that writing statutes is one thing. Enforcing them is another. Some parent with good standing with the justice system made a formal complaint or gave a tip (enough in itself) to the police.

    She will do for prosecution for the moral purposes, and the real cases of neglect will be neglected by the system.
    Nanny state? Rather insanity state.

  3. I guess ths is how a mother who gave birth at the age of 17 acts when her son turns 16. Sad situation, but not illegal. Especially if other parents allowed it. What were they thinking?

  4. A good catch-all statute, which will due to prosecute those you want to prosecute (persecute?) I think that we will be seeing more of this. Is it ALEC or just human perversity, with the assistance of politically inclined DAs? How to pump up a DA’s record.

  5. call me old fashioned but that mother is out of her mind. Where was the father?

    What were the other parents thinking?

    Although thank god she didnt take them out for a day of rifles, pistols and shotguns, she would have been thrown in jail and the key would have been thrown away.

    When I was 16, I think I would have preferred a day shooting, hunting or fishing with my father than lap dances with my mother. WTF was she thinking?

    And rafflaw is right and so is feemeister and Idealist007.

  6. OTOTOTOTOT
    Why I came here was to find a live thread to lay an egg in. Mixing metaphors.

    http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/02/20/2695204/limit-on-raleigh-races-was-overdue.html#emlnl=Editorials
    “On Tuesday, the Raleigh City Council approved a cap on the number of road races and parades that cause road closings that are a bother to downtown residents along the routes, motorists passing through and businesses that become inaccessible for a few hours…………….

    What idiots permit road races on the main east-west surface artery through town?
    What idiots set caps much higher than the number recorded in the last 5 years?

    Feel at home? In my Stockholm you would not. We have a marathon, and we have a Gay Pride parade. That all on the streets here.

    I depart with my halo cockily placed over one eyebrow.

  7. Lrobby99:

    how do you figure that?

    I had a couple of lap dances when I was in my early 20’s [very early] and I have been married for a very long time.

  8. 16 is much too late. Better thirteen for me and suspect even earlier for today’s kids. Ho hum, they would say. Porno with my buddies/girlfriends was more exciting. An old parent, and all are old, viewing sex with the younger generation is just an embarrassment to the kids.

    These parents were all of them nuts, cuckoo, wacko, …………

    BFN

  9. Well, to give you an idea of the state of system, I just got charged with child neglect, for only talking to my 9 year old daughter about the Constitution and our court case.
    Just for talking.

  10. Seems a lot like “public mischief” and “disorderly conduct” statutes: a way to arrest people you find offensive to your morals.

  11. The main purpose of the 18 thing is to entrap more people than if they didn’t have it; it’s a cousin to having the highest per capita prison population in the world, but also to provide a blackmail point for high up polititians who decide to serve the people more than the Illuminati.

  12. The prosecutor is gay and resents the competition for the hearts and minds of the soon to be voters (age 18). I worked in a cathouse at age 16 when I was a human in a prior life in a town called East Saint Louis. I cleaned up rooms after business was transacted. The first day I went to collect wages and the three girls showed me how I could take it out in trade. I went with my half blind guy for whom I am now guide dog, to a place in Amsterdam and guided him through the routine, although he needed no guidance. America has to quit the facade of puritanism. Pork em if ya gottem.

  13. It’s a right of passage in some areas of the country…. Just ask former governor candidate Clayton Williams…..

  14. I saw a comment that stuck out on HuffPo regarding the same story. The gist of it: If this were a father who had hired a bunch of male strippers to perform for his daughter’s party that had a number of underage girls present, would it be any different than the above situation and would it be OK?

  15. If I was defending the defendant (victim) here I would depose all of the people who were there. So, sonny boy, age 18, did you dance with any of the girls? See anything you had not seen before? Lose your virginity? Have a loss of faith in say the father, the son and the holy ghost? When I do the depos of the dancer I would want it on video and ask her to come in costume. I would ask for a demonstration. If it is not raw sex, meaning that which she performed for the kiddo, then I would move to dismiss the case for failure to state a cause of action. I would insist on showing the video in court during the motion hearing and invite all the kids in town to bear witness to their legal system in earnest.
    At trial I would extensively voir dire the jurors on the questions of their prejudice. When did you first see a boob? Ahay, shortly after birth. Well, when did you first have sex? Ah, age fifteen. Juror number one is fully acceptable to the defense. Juror number two. You have a teenager according to the crib sheet here. Do you allow him to play on the computer when you are not present to observe the computer screen? Yes?. Ah, good. Juror number two is acceptable to the defense. Juror number seven, it says here that you work for a firm that is called Lingerie Plus. What do they make and sell? Scanty underwear for women? The product shown on television on the model? Ah, yes.

    And so it goes America. You hypocrites.

  16. Oh who cares? Inappropriate? Not if you’re the young man. Only America’s sex negativity drives the outrage behind stories like this. Sixteen year olds have access to far more graphic material online, though we play pretend like they don’t because then we don’t have to talk about it.

    Call me when the drugs and guns come out. This? *yawn.

  17. “If I was defending the defendant (victim) here I would depose all of the people who were there.” -H…Dog

    However, there were over 80 kids and adults at the party watching the performance of women from “Tops to Bottoms.” -Jonathan Turley

  18. I echo rafflaw. The fact that the woman had a kid at 17 speaks volumes. She clearly hasn’t learnt anything from her own mistakes, and now she’s made another one.

  19. humpkindog:

    I disagree we are hypocrites. If I was 16 I would not want to go to a strip club with my mother or father for that matter.

    jeezis h christy cant young people do anything for themselves now days? Now their parents have to help them get laid too? It is the end of America when a young man has to rely on his parents to help him get laid. I weep for my country.

    We dont have a nanny state, we have a mommy state.

    The Greatest Generation are, at least the ones who have passed on, turning over in their graves and wondering why they bothered to save us from Hitler, Tojo and the Soviet Union.

    Americans love sex and have been greatly in favor of it since 1776. Those who do, do and those who dont talk about it. Americans are, with the apparent exception of the newer generation, doers not talkers. It has nothing to do with hypocrisy at all. It is like sports, those who can play are making money, those who cannot are sitting around talking about the statistics of those who can. Same with sex and why many Americans dont want to talk about it.

    Show me a man or woman who wants to talk about sex or go to strip clubs and I will show you a person who doesnt get much.

    Do you think pro-athletes sit around all the time talking sports? They leave that to the sports writers and talkers.

    That is why Americans dont talk about sex much because we are having it.

  20. 16 year old boys and girls are ready for sex; 16 is the age of consent in 30 states (it is 17 in New York, where this took place).

    I think if you can consent to sex, you can consent to seeing the opposite sex naked or dancing. In this case, 16 is not old enough in New York, but no nakedness or sex actually took place, and since I do not believe in magical one-day transformations of mentality or understanding, I think a year before you are allowed to consent to actual physical sex is close enough to permit watching suggestive dancing when nobody even got naked. In other entertainment this is “parental guidance” territory for viewing, including language, nudity, and (simulated) sex in movies.

    I think as a social libertarian it makes no difference if I would be comfortable with this or not, it is wildly illogical to say that in one state a 16 year old could consent to a full-on group-sex orgy but in another state the same 16 year old is ‘harmed’ by a girl in a bikini dancing suggestively.

  21. How can they ignore the strippers themselves — to then focus on only one Mom out of a crowd of 80?

    Because she called them or paid them? No body else chipped in?

    The FUGS wrote about this retro phenomenon:

    You ask me about my philosophy, baby, yeah

    Dope, peace, magic gods in the tree trunks and a

    GROUP GROPE BABY, GROUP GROPE BABY
    G-g-g-group grope, baby

    Backseat boogie for high school kids
    Students fug the teacher and the daughter fug the
    preacher

    GROUP GROPE BABY, GROUP GROPE BABY
    Hey! Hey!
    It’s alright, come on up
    It’s alright, come on up
    We got baskets – baskets of love

    Now you ask me about my philosophy, baby, yeah
    Dope, peace, magic gods in the tree trunks and a
    GROUP GROPE BABY, GROUP GROPE BABY
    G-g-g-group grope, baby
    Down on the kataleptic farm – where we farmed that old
    asparagus
    We had the KY community – down on the kataleptic farm,
    and baby

    GROUP GROPE BABY, GROUP GROPE BABY
    Hey! Hey!
    It’s alright, come on up
    It’s alright, come on up
    We got baskets – baskets of love

    They also sang about it:

  22. Bron,

    I must say you’ve outdone yourself on the structure of above argument. Which is to summarize:
    Bad Parents
    Uptight Americans
    Getting lucky is a value our Founders believed in.
    We’re not so much Puritanical as deeply satisfied.
    Neener.
    Neener, neener. (Possibly more neeners.)

    I know there are some structural problems here, but I’m going to accept it based on the audacity of aspiration and mendacity of intent in the conclusion alone. Bad parents, but we’re ‘Merkin and we’ve had the Horn since the days of the Declaration. Such homespun values are rarely seen in this day and age. Bravo. Substance trumps form. Well played.

    Signed,

    B. Franklin

  23. Mr. Spindell,

    Maybe I am confused, but I have often read comments by you in which you assert that you were the beneficiary of an upbringing in which you had free access to (what many would consider to be) “adult” materials. Perhaps you can explain why you see this as “dumb,” explain more fully what was allowed in your youth, and where you draw the “line” (e.g., is Playboy ok, but live nudes are not?).

  24. Yes, it is rather pathetic Bron to see mommy taking their sons to a stripper performance. My wife and I were having dinner with some relatives at a restaurant and saw several teenagers there dressed in their high school prom formals. Every one of them had their moms there. It was pathetic. This is the same generation that never knew how to walk from school on their own or ride the bus because mommy and daddy were there to pick them up in their SUVs

    This is more an extension of mollycoddling than endangering child welfare. Some states have statutes relating to minors being admitted to a live adult performance (strip club) which would not apply here since it was a private home, so the police probably chose the catch all law to hoover up the suspects.

    I wouldn’t want a son to associate with these kinds of women anyway though. But this is not a criminal matter in my book. The lap dance is stretching it though.

  25. rafflaw, Would you have made the snide remark about the age of the mother @ her son’s birth if she was a person of color? I think not.

  26. “Maybe I am confused, but I have often read comments by you in which you assert that you were the beneficiary of an upbringing in which you had free access to (what many would consider to be) “adult” materials. Perhaps you can explain why you see this as “dumb,” explain more fully what was allowed in your youth, and where you draw the “line” (e.g., is Playboy ok, but live nudes are not?).”

    Mahtso,

    Notice I said it was dumb, not bad. Yes I was brought up in what at the time was an extremely sexually liberated home. My parents,my brother and I were able to freely discuss issues that in the 50’s and early 60’s would have shocked the majority of this country. Part of being brought up as I was in the belief that sex was a positive human characteristic and not something shameful and dirty, gave me a different perspect on sex whe I reached puberty.

    Entailed with my “education” by the way, was that women should be seen as full partners in sex and not mere receptacles for a man’s passions. There were consequences to my behavior because of this. I always used birth control. Never “forced” myself on anyone. Another of those consequences is that I have never in my life ever seen a stripper, went to a “Mens Club”, or used a prostitute. I don’t think those who consume such are bad at all, rather it personally seems immature and infantile to me. It should all be legal though as long as there is absolutely no coersion of the “workers” ivolved. My relationships with women have been positive ones sexually, because I understood that sex was a sharing and not just a excuse for my orgasmic need.

    I find the idea of a lap dance silly and think this mother was dumb for using it, as a way to introduce her son to sexuality. As the father of Daughters, I never once gave a thought to whether they were virgins. My wife and I raised them to be independent women, knowledgeable in the issues of sexuality and we trusted their emotional balance enough to let them make their own decisions. The interesting thing was that in school, where most of my daughter’s friends were kept ignorant about sex, many of the girls were what I would call “boy crazy”. My daughter’s, who are now grown, never went through that phase and both have proved quite capable of maintaining stable relationships. My home was somewhat less open in the sense of the fact that my daughters never saw me unclad, or even in underwear and except in infancy the reverse was true. However, my home was similar to that of my parents in that no topic was closed to discussion and no media was barred to them.

  27. What if your daughter brought home a Christian conservative and said, “Dad, meet Chad..we’re getting married and I’m a member of his church and the Republican party.”

  28. nick,
    first of all, it was not a snide remark. It was an observation due to how old a child this 33yr old mother had. It doesn’t matter who or what race of a young women is having babies at an early age. It is tough enough raising a child when you are an adult. It is even harder when you are a child having a child. Not impossible, just tougher. I am also not suggesting that she made a mistake by having a child at a young age. It is just a very tough job for any 17 year old to handle. It seems that the other parents who witnessed this and allowed it have some things to learn as well.

  29. The source article indicates that the charges may have been more likely due to the attendance of 13 and 14 year olds. In my jurisdiction both the arranging parent and the dancers could have been charged with felonies carrying mandatory prison sentences and registration.

  30. “The interesting thing was that in school, where most of my daughter’s friends were kept ignorant about sex, many of the girls were what I would call “boy crazy”. My daughter’s, who are now grown, never went through that phase and both have proved quite capable of maintaining stable relationships.”

    Obligatory early biological and sex education, in mixed (boys and girls) classes, even for muslims and private schools, should be enforced as it is in Sweden. The boy craziness is eliminated at least. and teen pregnancies too. “STD can’t get me foolishness” still thrives as all are on the pill from puberty (more or less) . But the school teachesm on phallic objects, both boys and girls how to put on a condom. Practice makes it easier in reality.

  31. Having an open door to discussion would be IMHO the important factor in a home environment. Might be scary for adults to find out how narrow -minded that they are.

    Sorry for the mommy generation. but better than the pappa/motherless generations earlier.

    Is mommyism proof that our world is more threatening now? I think so.

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  33. Upcspine upper cervical specific web sites.all now. The medical industry feeds off the fear giving names people use. The same giver of fear wants condoms to prevent life.That is the devils fear. That life loving like Jesus loves has an eternity of bliss we can’t imagine ahead of them. The devil does not want it creating a matrix of fear.

  34. Idealist 707: By “my jurisdiction” I was referencing the state in which I practice. As to the available charges, I was relying both on my own knowledge of the applicable statutes and the prosecution of a parent in a similar situation.

  35. Raff,

    I can see where the poster stated this and why based upon others comments or in this case lack of comments. I agree with another poster that basically indicated that if you see everything in racial overtones you must be a racist at heart…. I am one of the lucky ones that does not look at race in deciding whether I like a person or not….

    Blouise,

    Always a breath of fresh air when you post, your knowledge is exceptional…..

  36. blhlls,

    Of course you were. I was just using you to launch a kick at the DA’s prosecutorial leeway which I think we agree is abusive.

    Don’t answer. Your practice may depend on it.
    Glad to hear that your jurisdiction is as crazy as most are.

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    for ex Obama is attacking the internet’s freedom. This will do for starters. Having difficulty getting the url of the text.

    . StormCloudsGathering February 18, 2013
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    Last week Obama passed a Cyber security executive order. The order came across as rather bland and reasonable to most privacy experts including the ACLU and…

  38. I read on another blog that the mother wanted to be the cool mom and ended up being the “creepy” mom. Kids put parties up on facebook so expect to be outed. A thirteen year old posted and the parent read the post and called the authorities. Keep your boundaries with your kids, and they and you will be all the better for your efforts. Nothing in this story has to do with race that I can see.

  39. Raff,

    And I respect you for that… But it seems anymore folks are looking for things to be bent out of shape over…. And if this kid were black…. Someone might had made you out to be a racist… Which I have it on a hunch based upon your posts that you’re not a racist….

  40. Rafflaw,

    As a friendly joke: It is the things not said that count. That pretty well covers our media scene. and government too. :-)
    Ergo, you MUST be a hidden racist. Logical? Civil at least. No snark meant for you but for our system.

  41. If I was defending this lady in a jury trial, I think I would want a panel of unmarried men. I would not want any school teachers or preachers on the jury. Some culturally deprived guys who have never seen a stripper would be fair and balanced.

  42. I would be strong on a motion to dismiss. There is nothing about sex in the statute and a stripper in person is no less than that which might be available on the television in the judge’s own home if he/she cared to tune in the right channels. “Endangering welfare” sounds more like getting the kid disqualified for food stamps.

  43. EastBroadwayLong Beach
    1, February 21, 2013 at 7:04 am
    Gee, I wish my mom had done that 52 years ago……
    =========================================================

    what, strip for 16y/o’s?

  44. Age 16: you are old enough to drive a car. Age 18: you are an adult and are old enough to vote or consent to anything as far as the 26th Amendment is concerned. Our media wants to characterize adults as kids all the time. It is one thing to call some punk named Adam a punk but that is not calling him a kid. I say that if you are old enough to drive a car in New York then you are old enough to see some broad show some boob at a party. No one alleges that it was a porkin party. That prosecutor needs to move to Utah or perhaps Iran.

  45. I can see why this country has the HIGHEST incarceration rate the the WHOLE WORLD!!!

    How she raises her kid is none of my business, let alone our nanny Government’s….

  46. Mr. Spindell

    Thank you twice — first for your response and second for the humorous response to my mistake. This is a case of not enough time to do it right…. (Or a case of me trying to rationalize my error. See Big Chill for the importance of such rationalizations.)

  47. Hamsot,

    I only responded this time because it was at least the third time you’ve addressed me like that, perhaps confusing me with Nick Spinelli. So I perceived there might be something other than misspelling afoot.

  48. Years ago I had a job operating a punch press. After several weeks I found out that most of my early work was trashed because it did not meet the standards (I wasn’t cleaning the die often enough). For reasons that are unknown to me, no one told me about my error/improper work (and I assumed my work was meeting the standards so I had no motive to change what I was doing).

    The point? Sorry if I have repeatedly misidentified you, Mr. Spindell, and the same to Mr. Spinelli, but until now I was not aware of my repeated errors. Now that my attention is drawn to it, I’ll be more careful. (Of course now that it’s on my mind, it may become a self-fulfilling error, the same way that when someone writes: what ever you do, don’t think about elephants, the reader does think about elephants.)

  49. Stupid kids especially teenage boys watch porn and having sex and they get Mar about a stripper dancing get a life

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