Dammam If You Do, Dammam If You Don’t: Saudi Arabia Cracks Down On Christians Praying In Private House

200px-Coat_of_arms_of_Saudi_Arabia.svgMutawa units, Saudi Arabia’s religious police, have been busy this month arresting Christians who practice their faith in the Kingdom. While Saudi Arabia has led the fight to create an international blasphemy crime and objected to every minor slight to Islam, it is one of the most repressive and intolerant regimes for religious freedom in the world. It will not allow the building of a single church in the Kingdom and now is cracking down on those who pray to a Christian God. The latest arrests occurred among foreign workers at a private residence in Dammam.

Three Christian leaders were charged with the serious offense of seeking to convert Muslims to Christianity. Most nations on Earth believe that it is a human right to be able to choose your religion. Saudi Arabia and many Arab nation however treat conversion as a crime punishable by death or long incarceration. However, Saudi Arabia has objected to any limitations on Muslims building mosques or converting individuals in other nations.

Christians have recounted horrific tales of torture and abuse after their arrests. Dozens were arrested in 2011 in Jeddah. Recently, Abdulaziz ibn Abdullah Al al-Sheikh, the grand mufti of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, declared it is “necessary to destroy all the churches in the Arabian Peninsula.”

Source: Asia Net

52 thoughts on “Dammam If You Do, Dammam If You Don’t: Saudi Arabia Cracks Down On Christians Praying In Private House

  1. rafflaw:

    Time? I think it was time 60-70 years ago. We never needed their oil and it probably delayed production of our fields and alternative energy since theirs was so cheap.

  2. I am really tired of people giving the Saudis a pass under the cover of “the Christians did the same thing”. The House of Saud is an intolerant, mysogonistic, anti democratic, theocratic dictatorship that bankrolls terrorists in the 21st Century. The US saved them and their oil from Sadam During the first “Gulf War” and how did they repay that collosial mistake. Let me count the ways they turned on us. Until the US makes up its mind that throwing money at theocratic dictators and dictator wannabes in the Middle East does nothing but buy us enemies as one of our newest friend/enemy Mr. Morsi of Egypt has told us we will continue to bankrupt ourselves while fueling the violence and destruction in the Middle East.

    I agree with the suggestion that all the women and and all the Christians in Saudi Arabia leave the country forthwith. Let us see how the House of Saud does then.

  3. AY:

    how does what happened 100’s of years in the past have any bearing on those living today?

    At some point in the past, I will bet one of my ancestors was a slave to someone. How does that effect me? Or how does the Crusades or the Moorish incursion into Spain in the 700’s have any bearing on people today except as a history lesson?

  4. The Saudi Kingdom, in an historic first ever, just appointed 30 women to the 120 member Shura Council. The King himself pushed this through. The operative word being used in the Kingdom for what you and I would term badly needed progress is “slow”. The progress itself is deliberate, but slow. Picture a rural Southern grade school of the ’50’s suddenly hiring all black male teachers. Think of the outrage. The Kingdom is filled with people equally adamant to protect their own old ways. Saudi women are pushing hard to drive cars. I believe it will happen, and will be a huge step forward when it does. Until then they stumble along and we watch.

  5. AY – USED to? You have not been paying attention to what those peace-loving Christians in the US have been doing when Muslims try to build a mosque here. Hell, we had a Buddhist temple trashed near Minneapolis a little while back by a group that apparently can’t ell one group of towel heads from another (to speak in their vernacular).

    This whole deal is religious insanity at its finest. I might be willing to give some groups a little more leeway as they do not actively attempt to convert people of other beliefs but this falls well outside that tiny strip.

  6. “Saudi women are pushing hard to drive cars. I believe it will happen, and will be a huge step forward when it does. Until then they stumble along and we watch.”

    Lrobby99,

    I’m sure if you explained that to the three Christians facing death, or a long imprisonment, they would be quite relieved at the progress.

  7. Maybe those that are saying the christians did it are proposing that we should allow and encourage such behavior? Why else would you make such a comparison other than to advocate they have the right to make a’s of themselves, and in the process kill hundreds of thousands or millions of people.

  8. The people in the US who will be the most bothered by this are the people who want to do it – the rabidly religious who want to ban any religious practice except for christianity, as well as enforce christianity on others. Seeing christians arrested in another country doesn’t bother them as much as being unable to arrest non-christians in the US.

  9. Justice Holmes – Instead of whining about fair comparisons, why not address the fact that ALL religions try to oppress and eliminate competing religions? Hindus do it, christians do it, jews do it, buddhists do it, etc. ad nauseum.

    Wherever religions have achieved a majority, they always become violent.

  10. Jesus was not violent when he was only one. How can numbers make a good person? Jesus needs to be in every one of us. People think safety in numbers. That is a false sense of security That false sense of security can be broken easily resulting in a cry for war. That is not safety with Jesus in the soul.

  11. I apologize, my above comment was for Justice Holmes. Saving Kuwait is a small point – maybe just remember they too have an abundance of oil.

    Earlier, I thought I had posted a comment in reply to Lrobby99 regarding my experiences while working in the mideast, primarily Kuwait and Iran (I know Persia) and to a lesser extent S.A.

    My observations taught me that the Saudis and to a lesser extent the Arabs live by multiple standards. BTW, regarding the term ‘Arab” read Raphael Patai; The Arab Mind, a must for serious students of Arabia and Persia.

    What many condemn as sinful practice (short of Christianity) is conducted by the accusers in the privacy of their own homes. And while in a foreign country, esp. Europe and America, they have been known to ‘sin’ to an extreme.

    There are other examples of this multiplicity and often conflict of values and standards. I think it is part of their ‘culture’ and change is a concept that will only come from within. There is little evidence of any form of religious or cultural change in S.A. Not much of an Arab Spring in the Arabian peninsula. It is still an homogenous culture.

    Mark Twain once said: “Generalizations are no damn good – including this one.” Yet, there is some truth in what I have experience. But why not understand instead of complain or try to change??

  12. Frankly,

    You just don’t understand…. They are right…. Lol… Everyone else is wrong mentality….

    I do understand…..

  13. We can thank our Presidents starting from Reagan, Papa Bush and W, who loves kissing the Saudi Princes for all these things, and let’s not forget the Abrahamic religions excluding Judaism because they are “Chosen” by the selfish Father among his other children.

    The Saudi Kingdom made a pact with the religious Wahabbis where they can keep their gilded chairs in exchange for no interference in their religious doctrine. They are sleeping in the gilded beds together, a marriage of convenience.

    The US encouraged the Saudis to spread Wahabbism- the radical side of Islam the world all over. They have been building mosques and Islamic schools all over including in the US. W, made an arrangement with the Saudis only to have the Wahabbi Mullahs in our prison system and as the result, we all know the fastest growing religion behind the bars is Islam now.

    JT writes:

    “Three Christian leaders were charged with the serious offense of seeking to convert Muslims to Christianity. Most nations on Earth believe that it is a human right to be able to choose your religion. Saudi Arabia and many Arab nation however treat conversion as a crime punishable.”

    My question to JT is why convert which is a very common practice in the 2 Abrahamic religions? Why can’t we leave people alone no matter what belief systems they may adhere to or no belief? The Christian missionaries use passive coercion to convert whereas the Muslim use the sword. The reason being they started 700 years later than the Christian sword conversions.

    Lastly, Americans and others go to different places because of the free enterprise and good salary Saudi Arabia has many “American Cities” where they have everything they need including in home churches. We had Americans in Nigeria where they were taken hostages. If they choose and sacrifice all the money and the tax free benefits, they are free to leave, But the main point is that no religion should try to convert other people no matter how strange their beliefs may be.. Both Christians and Muslims should learn that.

  14. And we consider them an ally. It is hard to imagine a more oppposed government to what we stand for. Russia has more in common with us than saudi arabia does.

    But of course our gov’t will continue to support saudi, I hope these accused find a way to escape and move to a real country.

  15. The Muslims use a sword because it feel good to their body that dies.They do not know that using it or even a wanting to use it on another human to kill them or sever a body part is killing their soul. They are in a state of denial madly marching on spilling blood killing in whatever way they can.

  16. The Muslims use a sword because it feels good to their body that dies.They do not know that using it or even a wanting to use it on another human to kill them or sever a body part is killing their soul. They are in a state of denial madly marching on spilling blood killing in whatever way they can.

  17. Conversion is conversion and it is wrong. As mentioned before, Christians also used the swords for the same purpose. Abrahamic religions have that in their doctrinal genes, perhaps.

  18. Dear P Smith, I am not whining. So because Christians did it at one time it is OK for the Saudis to kill Christians for their religious beliefs.

    I am no fan of organized religions but the claim that everybody does it just does not wash with me. The Saudis are wrong and anyone else of any religion who seeks to kill others for “god” is also wrong.
    Theocracies are bad for humans no matter what the alleged religion of the theocrats.

    The Saudis are not my favorites for the reasons I mentioned in my earlier post. As to the progress being made in the land of Saud, I simply don’t believe it. The description that is provided is something that was offered as progress years ago when Katie Couric was on the Today show and interviewed a completely covered Saudi women who insisted that no men be on the set and told Katie how free she was because she could always have her driver take here whoever she wanted and that as a results he did not need to drive. Delusional was my reaction. However if that is how she wants to live that is ok by me but I don’t want my country defending that kind of government or society nor do I wish to see right wing Christians in this country to be allowed to oppress women or anyone else.

  19. Real Christianity does not hide behind a name. Satan likes hiding behind a name sounding holy. Look at people doing the good works of Christ. I see them in the persecuted. The furries of the furry fandom are one. zoosexuals are another. The meek humble person liking sex with young people are christlike too, The devil attacks them. Jesus is not an attacker,

  20. Utter subjective religious babble. Not different from the Mullahs. Sleep with your devil yourself as it is one more fear invented by the Abrahamic religions to lasso the ignorant like you.

  21. Well said Justice Holmes. It is amazing how many thousands, if not millions, have been killed in the name of someone’s God.

  22. Lawrence:

    I postulate that historically, governments\monarchies kill more people than any other non-medical/accidental form of death, followed next by religions. Mixtures of both are a recipe for subjugation in most incidences. Wars are the largest certainly, followed by oppression.

    I would like to see a farewell to violence but sadly I will never live long enough bear witness. There are too many out there that believe killing innocents is an acceptable solution.

  23. “Conversion is conversion and it is wrong. As mentioned before, Christians also used the swords for the same purpose. Abrahamic religions have that in their doctrinal genes, perhaps.”

    Teji Malik,

    I agree with you about conversion. As a Jew it annoys me no end when I’m approached by Christians and Jews for Jesus types. I find them offensive, yet I would not do them any more harm then to say sronily: “Go Away”. While it is presumptuous for any religion to try to convert those who are not of their religion, it should’t be something punished by death.

    Jews, whose Patriarch is Abraham as well do not convert so I think genes have othing to do with it. In fact Jewish Rabbi’s are taught to first discourage people from converting.

  24. Wherein do I give fear? I am against the giving of it. People against the clothing optional people wanting to be like Adam, and Eve is not giving fear. I don’t want zoosexuals arrested or worse for having sex with the species they want to have sex with. I am for the gay marrying according to the law of man. Recant you ignorant statement about me. It will do you good. Religious people wanted to kill Jesus. Open your eyes. I don’t want to harm anyone. I am not asking anyone to follow any religious name. How can you say I am lassoing anyone to any religion? I am a changer of religion. .I make godless religions fall. I edify good that I see lifting people up when I see good works done. I wish I could do that with you.

  25. People that kill thinking it is a solution are religious being anti God anti Christ.. Religious people thought that killing s as a solution too KJV, . John 18 >>Now Caiaphas was he, which gave counsel to the Jews, that it was expedient that one man should die for the people.
    Mark 14:1-9, the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death, John 12;10 the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death; Satan in religion wants death not God who is Jesus. Legal system =religion = military,and anyone killing ca person calling it good. God even cares about he pets people have too..
    KJV,Genesis 19:. 9And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them.:Sodomite speaking is the one who came in to sojourn speaking in the third person wanting to judge condemn the two people in lots house. Lot does not let them. The Sodomite gets hungry, and threatens lot. The angel pulls lot back into the house. You want the same worse for the zoosexual being like the sodomite.

  26. “Conversion is conversion and it is wrong. As mentioned before, Christians also used the swords for the same purpose. Abrahamic religions have that in their doctrinal genes, perhaps.”

    Teji Malik,

    I agree with you about conversion. As a Jew it annoys me no end when I’m approached by Christians and Jews for Jesus types. I find them offensive, yet I would not do them any more harm then to say sronily: “Go Away”. While it is presumptuous for any religion to try to convert those who are not of their religion, it should’t be something punished by death.

    Jews, whose Patriarch is Abraham as well do not convert so I think genes have othing to do with it. In fact Jewish Rabbi’s are taught to first discourage people from converting.

    Mike Spindell,

    Then you forgot to read my very first post where I mentioned the Jews do not convert. I thought you must have read the post before responding to them. My bad.

  27. gbk:

    The fact that my ancestor was raped by Charlemagne is of no consequence to me. The fact that my great great great grandfather died in the civil war has no bearing on me today.

    Not that those things happened just by way of explanation.

  28. Yeah, OK, Bron.

    Yet you use slices of history, with quotes most recently, to buttress your arguments, and given this I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy of your statement.

    This is of course ignoring that all our lives are tied to decisions, “100′s of years in the past,” if not thousands.

    Just wanted to make sure you haven’t changed. Thanks for confirming.

  29. Teji,

    Should I take that as an affirmation? If so, I admire your willingness to sacrifice and hope you are not going to substitute those yummy oil tar sands from Canada.

  30. Working Man,

    As I said, make your knowledge as your best friend. Read about the yummy tars in the River Kalamazoo. Google is just a click away.:-)

  31. “This is what happens when religious fundamentalists, of any religion, completely control and dominate a society and culture.”

    Jerome,

    Religion is the kind of slavery where the ego within becomes one’s own worst enemy.

  32. Jerome,

    Please name me one religion that is sans fundamentalist. Being a fundamentalist IS the religion no matter what name it has.

  33. Most so-called Christians aren’t and most so-called Christianity isn’t. Study the Bible (a pre-modernist version) and compare the doctrines and practices of “Christians” and “Christian churches” to what they claim to be their standard of teaching and conduct.
    Lunatic Mohammedans, on the other hand, are but following the teachings of their holey book literally.

  34. Surely when moving to a foreign country people are aware of local laws and any one choosing to live in Saudi Arabia must then respect the laws of the country they reside in, as you would expect from people in any other country. Islam states that within a certain range of Mekkah and Medina there must not be any other religious building. It is holy ground if you will. As Mekkah and Medina, the two holiest sites in Islam, are built in Saudi Arabia the government is bound to uphold these laws and with in a certain area all other religions are forbidden from practise. Otherwise I expect Saudi Arabia has no problem with the freedom to practise other religion.

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