In Hollywood, Sahar Thabit, 35, appears vying to replace Joan Crawford as the reigning “Mother Dearest” in Hollywood. Thabit is a devout Muslim who is charged with burning her seventeen-year-old daughter for corresponding with a boy when she was already promised to a cousin for marriage. The honor burning was discovered by the girl’s school.
Thabit now faces three counts of child abuse and has been ordered to stay away from her daughter, who is staying with friends. Police report that she “put a knife on the stove, heating the metal on the knife and placing it on the child’s arms.” A classmate at South Broward High School thankfully reported seeing the three burns on her arms.
In a bizarre interview, the grandparents played down the injuries and the grandfather insisted it was just an accident: “She burned herself because we have an oven.” When it was pointed out to Ali Thabit that both burns on both arms were identical and thus unlikely to be an accident, he insisted “I swear to God, I didn’t see anything.”
The girl had previously objected to the arranged marriage to her cousin but the parents and family insisted that she was promised to the cousin according to Islamic principles.
Source: CBS
The religion of peace, strikes again……. It’s difficult for me to accept that living by Islamic law, is good for the well being human beings…. and that people are wll to accept living in those conditons. It’s ‘living in prison’…. for your entire life.
The boy “tried to ask the father for her hand in marriage but he refused because the girl was promised to marry a cousin.”
Women are possessions in Islam, as are children — especially girl children. Women have half the rights of men.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/010-women-worth-less.htm
The Massachusetts Christians had that problem some time back, but they got over it when religion was taken out of government.
The incredible things people do:
(Wikipedia). Not to mention that we still have government officials in public declaring how good torture is for our security.
They do it with impunity because of their immunity.
Generally, when people point the finger it is to deflect what is happening in their own bailiwick.
“Claims of an “Islamic Golden Age,” from roughly the 8th to the 12th centuries, are not politically correct propaganda; such a Golden Age was real. During that period, numerous thinkers of the Arab-Islamic world—many of them committed Muslims—wrought significant advances in mathematics, astronomy, medicine, literature, and other fields. Sadly, that era came to an end; tragically, for the past eight hundred years, it has not been revitalized; terrifyingly, during those centuries—and continuing today—religious fervor has superseded reason and crushed intellectual culture under Islam. For fully eight centuries, the Islamic world first coasted on its past glories and, then, collapsed into a cultural Dark Age, where it remains.
In conquering much of the Byzantine Empire, Muslims found many of the manuscripts—intellectual treasures—of ancient Greek thinkers, which were unknown in Arab culture. To their credit, Arab-Islamic scholars were fascinated by what the Greeks had said. They assiduously studied Greek ideas and culture and, over centuries, built upon that foundation. Consequently, intellectual culture in the Arab-Islamic world advanced and flourished.
For example, al-Mansur (ruled 754–775), the second Abbasid caliph and builder of Baghdad, initiated a movement that translated into Arabic many Greek texts. “The Graeco-Arabic translation movement lasted . . . well over two centuries; it was no ephemeral phenomenon.”3 One of his successors, al-Ma’mun (ruled 813–833), established, in Baghdad, a research institution aptly named the “House of Wisdom.” He, and several other caliphs of this period, “dispatched messengers to Constantinople and other Hellenistic cities . . . asking for Greek books, especially in medicine or mathematics; in this way Euclid’s Elements came to Islam.”4 At the House of Wisdom, scholars translated into Arabic the writings of Aristotle, Plato, many of the pre-Socratic philosophers, and such scientists as Archimedes, Hippocrates, Ptolemy, Galen, and Euclid.”
Andrew Bernstein
This is what happens when you reject reason and embrace faith. It should be a lesson to the US.
So much for deranged marriages….
Is it the inbreeding?
When all is said and done, she needs to be sent back to her country or pirate territory of origin.
Gee East, where the hell do you live that it is hard for you to live under Islamic law? Cuz here in the US there is no chance of that happening so we never have to worry about it.
OTOH, even here in ‘liberal’ Minnesota (home of John Kline and the even wingnuttier Michelle Bachmann) we have a group of elected representative who are quite open about wanting to make their interpretation of biblical law the States law.
Freedom of religion (not just from religion) is enshrined in the Constitution. That includes Islam as much as any other religion. But where religious belief conflicts with U.S. law, law prevails. I don’t believe any family practicing acts such as “honor” killings and burnings, female genital mutilation, etc., will prevail in the end under U.S. law as being protected under the First Amendment–or should.
What Frankly said.
Amy,
Women are second class citizens in many major religions.
The mother should not be the only person criminally charged. The grandparents need to be facing charges as well and any other members of the family who knew about this abuse. Putting them in jail will cause them to think whether or not following their absurd “religious” practices is worth it. That needs to happen more often to stop this kind of thing. If there is an imam who knew about this or sanctioned it, he needs to join them in jail. This is how to “civilize” folks just as we do our own more mainstream crooks.
spare the rod, spoil the child
Of course, I meant:
“Whoever spares the rod hates their children,
but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them.”
— Proverbs 13:24 (NIV)
Joan Crawford was not a murderer.
@Tony
Who was murdered?
An acquaintance decided he wanted to get married. It took him many months to admit to me that he is Muslim. Since we were in an area where there were very few Muslims, he didn’t meet any. He claimed that the religion of his prospective bride was not an issue but clearly it was. He met one woman over the internet and travel hundreds of miles to meet her. They were engaged during that short visit. The engagement was called off when he decided that she wasn’t minimally educated. He finally decided that he needed to follow tradition and have his family find him a wife. This time he traveled thousands of miles to meet her. He came back engaged and began planning how to get her to the U.S. One comment was illuminating: He wanted her to be better educated but he would do it. American colleges would change her too much, make her much too independent.
@bettykath
Wives must be obedient to their husbands (Titus 2:5)
Ephesians 5:22-24
“22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.”
“Generally, when people point the finger it is to deflect what is happening in their own bailiwick.”
Well, maybe so. But reasonable people point the finger and give thoughtful criticism where it is appropriate.
We point the finger at the great problems of this administration such as the acceptance of torture, and also at problems in smaller communities such as the abuse of women in the guise of honor.
I don’t see any problem with that.
@BFM
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3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”
Matthew 7:3-5
I sure am glad she’s in this country. Obama will save her from this misery. That’s why I support him, he cares about women’s issues and thats all that matters to me. Go Bama.
ARE:
You do have a point about the grandparents being charged (though I don’t know the specifics of whether or not it might be possible). Some states have laws that mandate the reporting of child abuse. Others have misprision of felony statutes. Here is an example that relates to federal law:
Title 18 USC Section 4
I admire the artistic sensibilities of the mother. Instead of using the more traditional flames from a wood fire to burn the flesh of her daughter, she brilliantly used the “fire” of electric modernity, as if to underline the transcendence of Islamic thought despite the impositions of a technological society.
Seriously, though, what hit me was the description of this mother as a “devout” Muslim. Can you imagine if she was described as a “moderate” Muslim? No, that wouldn’t fit the bill.
My impression is that we don’t really have a lot of information on what the thought process of a lot of “moderate” or “modern” Muslims are in actuality. I have read a fair number of accounts of non Muslims getting to know their progressive Muslim friends better, and being rather shocked at what comes out of their mouths when it comes to things like antisemitism, use of violence to defend Islam, gender roles, and separation of church and state.
Religion resists integration. It keeps secrets – look at the response of the grandparents here. Do you think the actions of this mother would have been criticized by a Sharia court? I don’t think so. Religious courts – Jewish, Islamic, whatever should be outlawed.
Now do you think it’s time to reinforce the border patrol and have scricter immigration requirements?
As clarification, this took place in Hollywood, Florida, not Hollywood, California.
@Matthew 7:3-5
I have never looked to religious texts for guidance, so I am really not impressed by this quotation.
But I do agree that we should always try to be aware of factors that distort our view and correct for the distortion.
Having said that, I think I will stand by my previous statement. Reasonable people let the chips fall where they may and offer thoughtful criticism where it applies.
And on a tangent, if god is so powerful why on earth does he or she need ordinary people to use force to apply his or her standards?
If the precepts of god are so compelling, why is it not enough for the religious to teach by example.
I suppose the religious will respond: force is necessary because there is evil in the world. But that seems to leave open the question: which one is evil and how do we know.
I have a rule of thumb that usually offers good guidance: it they are using force it is not about god.
I don’t know BFM. I bet the Canaanites wondered the same thing.
Islamic principles hold that no woman is forced into marriage! Islamic principles would forbid permanent alteration of a persons body for any reason.Islamic principles have nothing to do with any of this. It is purely a stupid cultural throw back-has nothing to do with Islam, any more than being married by a priest or getting married in a church is actually required by the Bible. Or a marriage ceremony as we have them, whatsoever! All cultural. Christians circumcising boys-not required by religion and most are doing it because that is what daddy did. Our culture doesn’t require it, but some family cultures do.
Do it at home exorcism.
Abraham, I don’t accept your quotations, they were written, rewritten, translated and retranslated by patriarchs who benefited by having women serve them. I much prefer feminism which teaches cooperation between and among all people.
Thus the Arab curse: “may the Americans bring you democracy.”
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/3/20/ten_years_later_us_has_left
Yeah, but they were just ripping off the Chinese and “may you live in interesting times”. As the world oldest contiguous civilization, the Chinese already have all the really good curses, Dredd.
Perhaps in words, but not in deeds.
The Syrians have a good one: “may the south end of a north bound camel breathe upon you my son.”
Paging Darren Smith – You’re needed on the “Facebook: Child Holding Gun” thread for RFID chip input. Just jump to the bottom so you don’t implode. That is all.
@Abraham
I will bet they did too.
The problems is that if we wait till everyone pulls the plank from their eye and achieves perfection, no one will ever say anything because we all have fault.
It is our nature to have imperfection. It is better that we speak out with all our fault that to never speak at all.
And if it needs to be said, it is also important to listen as well.
This child would be a good candidate to put in foster care until she is old enough to become emancipated. She needs a good lawyer.
EastBroadway,
The religion of peace, strikes again……. It’s difficult for me to accept that living by Islamic law, is good for the well being human beings…
[sigh] There are over 1 1/2 Billion Muslims. Using her or even all the honor killings you’ve heard about to represent the other 1,599,999,900 muslims is unwise and not very realistic.
There are crazy and fanatical people of every religion and of no religion for that matter.
@Bettykath
So you subscribe to a backwards view of Islam, but a progressive view of Xianity?
Reblogged this on .
This is a good example of a religious/cultural tradition which the law is not required to accommodate.
lottakatz:
If the girl is 17, there are a number of states which would permit her to petition a court for emancipation now, but she would require some means of support.
@Bron: Please cut the propaganda. That has been shown to be historically and factually WRONG.
The knowledge Islam “brought” to the world – the world they had destroyed – was looted knowledge originating from the Asians, Greeks, Romans, Jews and Christians. Islam is the youngest religion. It spread by extreme violence. Muslim invaders were illiterate bedouines and highway robbers (dacoits), not high intellectuals. They acquired wealth not from inventions and creations, but from booty, slave trade and constant invasions, country after country while slaughtering everyone in their path who would not bend to their new religion.
Strangely not much seem to have changed…
admin:
I just checked your website. It looks like it might be interesting, but I tend to avoid issue websites operated by anonymous individuals. If this is such an important matter to you, why harm your credibility by keeping your identity secret?
Mike, Thanks. I then expand my last comment to, she needs a good lawyer AND a job. I wish her luck.
abraham, I don’t subscribe to any religion.
ADMIN:
you dont read so well.
And you dont know history.
The author was making a case for how Islam ended up like it has.
Personally, I like Omar Kyam.
And this is why you even bothered to comment:
“This is what happens when you reject reason and embrace faith. It should be a lesson to the US.”
You didnt like the idea of equating Christian faith with Islamic faith. God help us all if you have a case of the a$$ about that. My liberal friends may actually have a point about Christians seeking a theocracy, I didnt really think Christians did until you showed up.
Dr. Dobson aint no Thomas Aquinas and Gary Bauer sure as hell isnt Peter Abelard.
americans really need and should check out any western european country and also australia………..see what damage, cost, political up roar, rape, ect ect 5% of a population of muslim rats can do………..
all that doesn’t believe this type of things are happening should really need to do a lot of studying on islam and it laws. if it doesn’t wake you up nothing will.
in georgia when you say you want your cousin over easy it means something completely different.
Too much inbreeding will spawn even more whacky savages looking for the virgins of Allah. Send that woman back to whatever cave-ridden ‘stan’ country from which she hails. Send the grand parents with her.
Why do the grandparents deny knowledge of this? Shouldn’t they be proud of their daughter (or daughter-in-law) for upholding the sacred traditions?
I wonder what the Islamic definition of incest would be. In some places in Missouri it is second cousin once removed. Further south it gets to be prosecuted if it is brother/ sister.