North Carolina Lawmaker Equates Muslim Prayer With Terrorism

670Republican state Rep. Michele Presnell of Burnsville, N.C., shows that the effort to reform the image of the GOP is still a work in progress. When asked recently about whether she would be comfortable with a Muslim prayer opening a legislative meeting, Presnell responded: “No, I do not condone terrorism.” Presnell was one of the legislators who recently sponsored a bill to allow North Carolina to establish an official religion. My guess is that it would not be Islam.


Presnell wrote to a constituent complaining that “The famed ACLU is telling Rowan County they may not pray before commissioners meetings.”

Britt Kaufmann wrote her to say that he understood the stance of the ACLU in opposing prayer and that he “wanted you, as my representative, to know that I do not think the proposed bill is a good solution to that problem. … Would you be comfortable with a public prayer to Allah before a legislative meeting in Raleigh?”

Presnell’s response was interesting: “We just need to start taking a stand on our religious freedom or it will be whisked away from us.” That was strikingly similar to the statements of former Utah governor Leavitt last night who called on citizens to take a stand and insist on the public expression of faith and not just the right to personal beliefs in God. He also warned that the freedom of religion was being whisked away by secularists, atheists, and non-believers.

What is most striking is the fundamental ignorance shown by Presnell and her colleagues of not just our Constitution but our values as a nation. North Carolina has a law that bans atheists from holding office despite the express language of Article VI that “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” While professing faith in our values, these legislators continue to oppose the fundamental precepts of our constitutional system. The desire to embrace a faith-based system finds its greatest allies outside this country in places like Iran and Saudi Arabia which define religious freedom as recognition of their own faith.

Secular values are not the rejection of faith but the insistence on the protection of all faiths by keeping government neutral and separation from religious institutions. Presnell and others are at war not with secularists but the framers in seeking to create state religions and treating other faiths like terrorism.

Presnell must appeal to some in Burnsville but she shows an astonishing level of prejudice not just against Muslim but our constitutional system. Various sites state that she did not supply information on her educational background. She states on one site:

I have always been a Conservative Republican. Lower taxes, less Regulations, then small business people can begin to hire again.

Hot Topic for me is VOTER ID. This is the only way to prevent fraud in our NC elections. My opponent voted NO. We do not have enough votes in the NC House to override the Governor. Another Hot Topic is the Marriage Amendment to our NC Constitution. Let me be clear…I BELIEVE IN ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN, traditional marriage, period.

She can now add the removal of the wall of separation of church and state as one of her priorities. It appears that she believes that Thomas Jefferson was fundamentally wrong about the direction he wanted to take the country and Michele Presnell is here to re-shape the nation in a new, theological image.

Source: News Observer

132 thoughts on “North Carolina Lawmaker Equates Muslim Prayer With Terrorism

  1. I equate Ms. Pressnell with a narrow minded, short sighted, Constituion hating fool. I wish there was an intelligence test for legislators.

  2. Another reason for universal background checks for legislators. Maybe “Remedial Civics 101” for all new electees before being sworn in?

  3. He also warned that the freedom of religion was being whisked away by secularists, atheists, and non-believers.
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    Am I being a really bad guy if I say piss off? I was born a protestant. Now I’m an agnostic.

  4. The desire to embrace a faith-based system finds its greatest allies outside this country in places like Iran and Saudi Arabia which define religious freedom as recognition of their own faith.”

    According to The United States Institute For Peace (USIP):

    Iran’s parliaments have always been diverse, including women and many ethnic minorities. It also designates five seats for religious minorities, including Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians, proportionate to their populations.

    (USIP). In the Koran the Jewish Bible is considered to be scripture, the Jewish Prophets are considered to be prophets, and Jesus was also considered to be a prophet.

    Like all religions, Islam has denominations that are at odds with each other doctrinally.

    Here is a band from Iran:

  5. Sadly, aside from the recent grade of GOP stupid, I feel this ignorant woman also reflects a slide in our government….a slide towards defining anything you dislike as “terrorism”. The current crop of laws rather allow the government to label almost any activity as terrorism for purposes of prosecution; I suppose the sort of labeling this woman does should be the expected follow-upon.

  6. Prayer is to not be heard of men. People that war do not reverence God they reverence the devil thereby take Gods name in vain. People that respect the hallowed Name of God will not war. Mans law and Sharia law both war against people. How then can Muslim prayer even be considered prayer to God being prayer to the devil. What other line of Logic can I follow?

  7. I’m embarrassed to be from NC. I shouldn’t be; it’s a very diverse state steeped in wonderful places to see, a rich history, and a generally high level of folk to live with.
    Unfortunately, this toothy mavin and her coterie of ignorant peers have done nothing but embarass themselves, their constituents, and the rest of us; by their never ending hateful statements and actions.
    Plus, It’s too bad that y’all have to look at that toothy smirk. She looks like she’s up to no good…without a doubt she and her rethug friends are!!!
    I swear most of us aren’t like that. Unfortunately, we can’t seem to elect qualified candidates in this state for quite some time.

    but that’s a whole different discussion….

  8. artiewhitefox 1, April 10, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    I also would not accept Muslim type of prayer either. It is Pharisaical in nature.
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    The Pharisees were a denomination of Jesus’ time, which we would now refer to as a denomination of Judaism rather than Islam.

  9. artiewhitefox 1, April 10, 2013 at 12:44 pm
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    Does appear to be a philosophical discussion.

  10. In take what I said back. Muslim prayer is not Christlike prayer. Muslim prayer is on the street corner prayer Jesus is against. Sharia law, mans law and perverted biblical law all war against people. Satan created war. Therefore Muslim prayer is not directed to God in the unseen at all. Why then would we want it? Why would anyone want it?

  11. I take what I just said . Muslim prayer is not Christlike prayer. Muslim prayer is on the street corner prayer Jesus is against. Sharia law, mans law and perverted biblical law all war against people. Satan created war. Therefore Muslim prayer is not directed to God in the unseen at all. Why then would we want it? Why would anyone want it?

  12. I take back what I just said . Muslim prayer is not Christlike prayer. Muslim prayer is on the street corner prayer Jesus is against. Sharia law, mans law and perverted biblical law all war against people. Satan created war. Therefore Muslim prayer is not directed to God in the unseen at all. Why then would we want it? Why would anyone want it?

  13. “I am an NRA member and I have my concealed weapon permit. I believe in your Second Amendment Rights.” (from her website)

    Just another crazy republican with a gun.

  14. It’s so sad to watch ignorance in action. About 25 years ago I lived in NC for a couple of years, including an election year. Was flabbergasted to see husbands accompanying their wives into the voting booth. Poor women were too ignorant to cast a vote? or husbands too domineering and women too cowed to object? It was a different universe from what I was used to.

  15. artiewhitefox 1, April 10, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    In take what I said back. Muslim prayer is not Christlike prayer. Muslim prayer is on the street corner prayer Jesus is against. Sharia law, mans law and perverted biblical law all war against people. Satan created war. Therefore Muslim prayer is not directed to God in the unseen at all. Why then would we want it? Why would anyone want it?
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    You should direct your bigoted chatter to the ~2,136,200,000 Muslims world wide (Muslim Population).

    That is the equivalent of the population of seven U.S. populations.

  16. Blouise 1, April 10, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    “I am an NRA member and I have my concealed weapon permit. I believe in your Second Amendment Rights.” (from her website)

    Just another crazy republican with a gun.
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    I consider myself an independent. I don’t have any guns. I don’t have any ammo either.

  17. All of them wandered away from Christs teachings. The traditions of the pharisees have been passed down faithfully over the centuries reflected in the laws of man that arrest just like the faithful servant of the high prieast arresting Jesus to have him pierced. War pierces people with all kinds of weapons. Judaism wandered away from Jesus claiming his name. Muslim religion likewise also claiming his name calling him a prophet comparing him to a man like Moses, Arron or Elijah. That is spiting on the Lord God king of Kings and Lord of Lords. People don’t need that kind of deceptive idolatrous evil prayer anywhere. USA is as bad with a military teaching people to be evil like Kim Jong UN. People that are evil created that monster.

  18. ll of them wandered away from Christs teachings. The traditions of the pharisees have been passed down faithfully over the centuries reflected in the laws of man that arrest just like the faithful servant of the high priest arresting Jesus to have him pierced. War pierces people with all kinds of weapons. Judaism wandered away from Jesus claiming his name. Muslim religion likewise also claiming his name calling him a prophet comparing him to a man like Moses, Arron or Elijah. That is spiting on the Lord God king of Kings and Lord of Lords. People don’t need that kind of deceptive idolatrous evil prayer anywhere. USA is as bad with a military teaching people to be evil like Kim Jong UN. People that are evil created that monster.

  19. artiewhitefox 1, April 10, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    All of them wandered away from Christs teachings. The traditions of the pharisees have been passed down faithfully over the centuries reflected in the laws of man that arrest just like the faithful servant of the high prieast arresting Jesus to have him pierced. War pierces people with all kinds of weapons. Judaism wandered away from Jesus claiming his name. Muslim religion likewise also claiming his name calling him a prophet comparing him to a man like Moses, Arron or Elijah. That is spiting on the Lord God king of Kings and Lord of Lords. People don’t need that kind of deceptive idolatrous evil prayer anywhere. USA is as bad with a military teaching people to be evil like Kim Jong UN. People that are evil created that monster.
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    Ok, let me guess, you are a rep of Westboro Baptist Church?

  20. You do not know it but the military and legal system is terrorism. The Qur’an is the motivation to engage in the same. The teaching of an eye for an eye is definitely Pharisaical in nature. How can you deny it? King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Romans 12:9
    Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
    I do not trust the core belief system in the Islamic belief system. There are some against it but tyhey would have their lives threatened like a defector from North Korea. The Allah in the Qur’an is Satan. Satan is in war and jailing. That is an abominable thing. A worse abomination is in North Korea created by a false sense of power. Eye for eye is a false sense of power. Do we want prayer from a belief system embracing a false sense of power?

  21. Some of the most beautiful Christian architecture is in Iran:

    Christianity in Iran has a long history, dating back to the early years of the faith. It is older than the State Religion, Islam itself. It has always been a minority religion, with the majority state religions — Zoroastrianism before the Islamic conquest, Sunni Islam in the Middle Ages and Shia Islam in modern times — though it had a much larger representation in the past than it does today. Christians of Iran have played a significant part in the history of Christian mission. Today, there are at least 600 [Christian] churches in Iran.

    (Wikipedia, Christianity In Iran).

    This Iranian Band video shows some of that architecture during the song Silent Prayer:

  22. You do not know it but the military and legal system is terrorism. The Qur’an is the motivation to engage in the same. The teaching of an eye for an eye is definitely Pharisaical in nature. How can you deny it? King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Romans 12:9
    Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
    I do not trust the core belief system in the Islamic belief system. There are some against it but they would have their lives threatened like a defector from North Korea. The Allah in the Qur’an is Satan. Satan is in war and jailing. That is an abominable thing. A worse abomination is in North Korea created by a false sense of power. Eye for eye is a false sense of power. Do we want prayer from a belief system embracing a false sense of power?

  23. People that wandered away from God who is Jesus are abominable in their soul. Others see that creating a worse abomination. jails are abominable. Condemning legal system is abominable. A military is abominable. A weapon that destroys more lives is even more abominable than the former abominations. God gives life freeing people. Therefore not being abominable like people often accuse God of being.

  24. artiewhitefox 1, April 10, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    You do not know it but the military and legal system is terrorism. The Qur’an is the motivation to engage in the same. The teaching of an eye for an eye is definitely Pharisaical in nature. How can you deny it? King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Romans 12:9

    Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

    I do not trust the core belief system in the Islamic belief system. There are some against it but they would have their lives threatened like a defector from North Korea. The Allah in the Qur’an is Satan. Satan is in war and jailing. That is an abominable thing. A worse abomination is in North Korea created by a false sense of power. Eye for eye is a false sense of power. Do we want prayer from a belief system embracing a false sense of power?
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    You are articulating, among other things, a battle between the Old Testament and the New Testament imagined by Judeo-Christian Luddites.

    Some other Christians (whom, from your bigoted chatter, you would be infidels) do not agree with you:

    The Torah and the Gospel (and also the Psalms of David) in mentioned in the Quran by name. According to the Quran they were sent as guidance to mankind. These are the words of Allah. The above verses cleary state that Allah’s words can’t be changed or replaced.

    God sends His message as guidance to mankind. If this message can be changed, what kind of guidance can there be in that message. The message in the Torah and the Gospel as we have in our Bibles today is reliable according to the Quran.

    In the Quran we find no evidence that the Torah and Gospel were altered or falsified. On the contrary. We find evidence that it is reliable.

    The Quran is clear in it’s judgement of the Torah and Gospel. It is the word of God, and that can not be changed. The Torah and Gospel as we know it today in the Bible are the faithful word of God according to the Quran. What this says about the Quran is for the reader to decide.

    In the Bible we read that God is trustworthy. He will not allow His word to be changed. We may trust God and His word as it is written in the Bible.

    (What does the Quran say about the Bible?). I guess you Luddite Christians need to go back to the Seminary and study Cheesus.

    The Sunni and Shia Muslim Luddites should do the same concerning MudhammerId.

  25. That lady is not off base. I see what is coming if Muslim prayer is allowed. Muslim chants over loud speakers like it is in Islamic countries. People teaching the Qur’an in every school having it be a law that people read it line by line. Riots breaking out over stupid things like a movie.

  26. artiewhitefox 1, April 10, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    That lady is not off base. I see what is coming if Muslim prayer is allowed. Muslim chants over loud speakers like it is in Islamic countries. People teaching the Qur’an in every school having it be a law that people read it line by line. Riots breaking out over stupid things like a movie.
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    You suffer from the same malady that you accuse those who do not worship Cheesus of:

    High-level talks between Israel and its Muslim neighbors regarding a nuclear weapons-free zone (NWFZ) in the Middle East have been cancelled by the US and Israel.

    A nuclear weapons-free zone has been repeatedly proposed, only to have Israel – the only state in the region with nuclear weapons – reject it in favor of maintaining this nuclear monopoly, further destabilizing the region, and keeping the threat of others’ nukes as a primary excuse for its militarism.

    Diplomats tell the Associated Press that the US, one of the organizers of the meeting on this latest NWFZ proposal, would likely make a formal announcement of its cancelation soon, claiming that “the time was not opportune.”

    While Iran is a member of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, has publicly pledged its opposition to nuclear weapons development, has subjected itself to thorough international inspections, and in fact has exactly zero nuclear weapons, Israel has done none of the above and has approximately 200 nuclear warheads. Iran is being severely punished and threatened with attack, Israel is supported with unparalleled economic, military, and diplomatic support.

    By coincidence two clashes over nuclear issues are hitting the headlines together. North Korea and Iran have both had sanctions imposed by foreign governments, and when they refuse to “behave properly” they are submitted to “isolation” and put in the corner until they are ready to say sorry and change their conduct. If not, corporal punishment will be administered, since they have been given fair warning by the enforcers that “all options are on the table”.

    It’s a bizarre way to run international relations, one we continue to follow at our peril. For one thing, it is riddled with hypocrisy, and not just because states that have hundreds of nuclear weapons are bullying states that have few or none. The hypocrisy is worse than that.

    Rami Khouri, the distinguished US-trained Lebanese writer, calls it “professionally criminal”. After a month in the US recently, he found that coverage of Iran was based on “assumptions, fears, concerns, accusations and expectations almost never supported by factual and credible evidence”. In as much as these distortions build public support for a military attack on Iran, he finds it as culpable as the media’s role in the runup to the attack on Iraq a decade ago.

    (Origin of the Classic Nuclear Bully). And that malady would be that war and all manner of mayhem and intellectual malady is bad — unless God is on your side — in which case nothing matters except spouting nonsense.

  27. Whoever calls Jesus anything other than Lord is a liar. The Muslim openly degrades Jesus trying to lift him up. Calling him a prophet is not lifting him up. You ought to know that John the Baptist a prophet said of Jesus. One greater than me whose sandals I am not worthy to unlatch. That is Jesus. All of the Muslim world wide needs to bow to him, but stiff necks refuse. How then can your prayer be accepted? Anyone who takes Christs name not doing the good works of him takes his name in vain. USA is not exempt from my words of criticism. One learned from the other. Sharia law is worse than American law. Your body is in sin. Don’t see that have no truth in you. Islamic law does not teach this.
    Islamic views on sin – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Islam teaches that sin is an act and not a state of being. ..That is a lie from the devil, and you know it. Sin brought death. Will you teach that ? I doubt it. Islamic law is for Condemn. Gods law in the KJV is do not condemn or be condemned. West and middle east disobey Gods law. That taught the leaders in North Korea and elsewhere that war is good. Good job creating a foundation of war in the world. Satan is proud of you.

  28. I’ve met too many Christians who believe Israel is justified in its treatment of the Palestinians so I’m not surprised by this attitude. The fact that she is a public official informs us that there were many voters who share her worldview.

  29. Is North Carolina north of South Dakota? And where does Lindsey Graham Krakker come in? We dont have a map around here.

  30. Prayer is being thankful, and asking for wisdom to do the Lords will in order to save our soul. People have complicated prayer. The sin of Sodom and Gomorrah got so bad God would not hear their prayers anymore. There was a small judgment day. Gods glory judged them.

  31. There are viewpoints that do not admit of rational discussion. Sometimes the only appropriate response is, “Duh.” This is such an instance.

  32. I don’t believe in Satan OR in prayer, and just what exactly gives this under-educated person any qualification to determine what makes any prayer “false” or “true”? It just sounds like sectarian bigotry to me.

  33. I have no reason to lie to you. I am saying it so people will avoid deception. Can you be grateful? He is death. Satan does not have to be in your soul. Religions lie as to what he looks like when manifest before our eyes, Western religion and middle eastern religious though in word say they are apposed agree as to what he looks like. Both are telling a lie. Believe me for your own sake not mine. I know true prayer and false prayer. Know Jesus. When you do the false prayer will be clear. Don’t you have a clue as to the selfrighteous prayer that religious people engage in? Don’t you know that Jesus said go to your room where God sees in secret so God can reward thee openly? Better polish up on scripture.

  34. “We just need to start taking a stand on our religious freedom or it will be whisked away from us.”

    What some people never seem to get is that part of the freedom to believe what you do is the freedom of others to NOT believe what you do.

  35. You are woefully ignorant of the King James version. You are woefully ignorant of the character of Jesus too, Your words show that. Don’t rely on religions either. They will lie to you. The truth is in me.

  36. You are woefully ignorant of the King James version. You are woefully ignorant of the character of Jesus too. Your words show that. Don’t rely on religions either. They will lie to you. The truth is in me.

  37. syrbal,

    Don’t you just love the tacit assumption that if you disagree you it must be because you don’t know as much?

    Not to mention the assumption that the Bible is true because it’s the Bible, and everybody knows the Bible is true.

  38. Freedom religions gave is bondage and war. Tha5t is not what Jesus came to give. The things people think make them safe is destroying them. The weapons like nuclear weapons are thought to be security. Religions lying about Hell saying it is a place made what is giving us the problems we have today. God is the judge. What did people do? Pour untold amounts of money into the legal system and jails. The wisdom of men is foolishness.

  39. Freedom religions gave is bondage and war. That is not what Jesus came to give. The things people think make them safe is destroying them. The weapons like nuclear weapons are thought to be security. Religions lying about Hell saying it is a place made what is giving us the problems we have today. God is the judge. What did people do? Pour untold amounts of money into the legal system and jails. The wisdom of men is foolishness.

  40. Artiewhitefox,

    JT has requested in the past that people not monopolize the side bar by posting several comments in quick succession.

    The thinking is, that way comments that other people may have made in other topics show up for a longer period of time, and the people they’re having a conversation with and the people who are just following the conversation have a chance to see that there has been a new response. As an analogy, what you’re doing is a bit like talking very loudly to someone at a large dinner party. It makes it difficult for the other guests (and you and I are both guests at JT’s blog) who aren’t involved in your exchange to have their own conversations. Nobody will tell you not to express yourself here, but it has been asked that you do so in a way that doesn’t hurt other people’s attempts to do the same.

  41. Gyges,

    Yeah, isn’t that presumption adorable (in a two year old mayhap)? Since I’ve actually tutored students in theology and religious philosophy, I fear knowing TOO much is more likely my problem. Likewise on Biblical studies…the contradictions, the translational differences, the political interpretations and editing; a work of “men” that certainly can prove very foolish indeed.

  42. I am not sorry. This is a place discussing LAW and the religious freedom of ALL. You are preaching. “Troll” is an Internet term for those who barge into conversations not to rationally converse, but only to loudly repeat their own introduced subject matter….in your case, the presumed rightness of Christian bigotry.

  43. The KJV bible is true but peolple pervert scripture like crazy. Religions pervert the bible so much I don’t know where to begin. I will start with this.
    Religions of the world made naughty to mean anything than what the KJV says the word means.
    James:1 20 – 21, for the wrath of man worketh not the rightiouness of God. Whearfor lay apart all filthyness ,and superfluidy of naugtyness, Proverbs 17: 4,A wicked doer giveth heed to false lips; and a liar giveth ear to a naughty tongue. Proverbs 6:12 A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a froward mouth.

    13 things abominable. Not a one what religions of the world say.
    1, Pro, 6: 16,These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
    17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
    18An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
    19A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
    2, Proverbs 21:27: The sacrifice of the wicked is abomination: how much more, when he bringeth it with a wicked mind?3,
    3 ” proverbs 15:26 The thoughts of the wicked are an abomination to the Lord: but the words of the pure are pleasant words”
    4, Proverbs 11:20 KJV
    King James Version
    They that are of a froward heart are abomination to the LORD: but such as are upright in their way are his delight.
    5, Proverbs 3:32-33 (King James Version)
    32 For the froward is abomination to the LORD: but his secret is with the righteous. 33 The curse of the LORD is in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just.
    6, King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)Proverbs 16:5,
    Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.
    7, Proverbs 12:22: Lying lips are abomination to the Lord: but they that deal truly are his delight”
    Over and over perverse, pervert etc is a said to be a form of sex. The KJV says otherwise.
    Proverbs 15 4A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit.
    I Have 14 more verses saying essentially the same thing.
    Religions of the world lie about what Hell is. The SDA church comes the closest but not quite every thing. The do not say Gods light is fire to evil.
    Gods light seen to the human that kills or hates not being like Jesus sees God glory as if it was fire = hell. KJV 1 John 1;5, God is light. Heb; 12:29; a consuming fire. James 1:17, Father of lights, Hell is the glorified face of God Moses could not look at or become ashes. That light makes the earth to have no more sea making elements melt, and consumes the wicked around the city of God Rev, 20. Hell is not a place. No lost no lake of fire. Gods light is good to those that love to do good.
    God is heaven to those that are merciful forgiving with a childlike heart, not giving evil, loving the outcast like Jesus loved the Samaritans. The Gates of the city of God to the wicked without natural affection, meaning, having no love will see the gates of the city of God as the gates of hell. They will never be able to enter them becoming less than nothing. Religions have been crafty hiding what hell is. The devil wanted people to think God was a god of war to justify war in the eyes of men.

  44. The KJV bible is true but people pervert scripture like crazy. Religions pervert the bible so much I don’t know where to begin. I will start with this.
    Religions of the world made naughty to mean anything than what the KJV says the word means.
    James:1 20 – 21, for the wrath of man worketh not the rightiouness of God. Whearfor lay apart all filthyness ,and superfluidy of naugtyness, Proverbs 17: 4,A wicked doer giveth heed to false lips; and a liar giveth ear to a naughty tongue. Proverbs 6:12 A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a froward mouth.

    13 things abominable. Not a one what religions of the world say.
    1, Pro, 6: 16,These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
    17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
    18An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
    19A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
    2, Proverbs 21:27: The sacrifice of the wicked is abomination: how much more, when he bringeth it with a wicked mind?3,
    3 ” proverbs 15:26 The thoughts of the wicked are an abomination to the Lord: but the words of the pure are pleasant words”
    4, Proverbs 11:20 KJV
    King James Version
    They that are of a froward heart are abomination to the LORD: but such as are upright in their way are his delight.
    5, Proverbs 3:32-33 (King James Version)
    32 For the froward is abomination to the LORD: but his secret is with the righteous. 33 The curse of the LORD is in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just.
    6, King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)Proverbs 16:5,
    Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.
    7, Proverbs 12:22: Lying lips are abomination to the Lord: but they that deal truly are his delight”
    Over and over perverse, pervert etc is a said to be a form of sex. The KJV says otherwise.
    Proverbs 15 4A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit.
    I Have 14 more verses saying essentially the same thing.
    Religions of the world lie about what Hell is. The SDA church comes the closest but not quite every thing. The do not say Gods light is fire to evil.
    Gods light seen to the human that kills or hates not being like Jesus sees God glory as if it was fire = hell. KJV 1 John 1;5, God is light. Heb; 12:29; a consuming fire. James 1:17, Father of lights, Hell is the glorified face of God Moses could not look at or become ashes. That light makes the earth to have no more sea making elements melt, and consumes the wicked around the city of God Rev, 20. Hell is not a place. No lost no lake of fire. Gods light is good to those that love to do good.
    God is heaven to those that are merciful forgiving with a childlike heart, not giving evil, loving the outcast like Jesus loved the Samaritans. The Gates of the city of God to the wicked without natural affection, meaning, having no love will see the gates of the city of God as the gates of hell. They will never be able to enter them becoming less than nothing. Religions have been crafty hiding what hell is. The devil wanted people to think God was a god of war to justify war in the eyes of men.

  45. I am so sick and tired of people thinking they know what is in the KJV bible. I thought I would giving them a lot of information to digests showing that I am right and people for centuries have been wrong. The wrong peoiple have been is great. The whole KJV has perverted more thane you know in the minds of people. I can say more too. Religious people have lied to people. That is why the world is the way it is. If any one does anything consider my words. Then people will begin to change it into what is good not what it is.

  46. I am so sick and tired of people thinking they know what is in the KJV bible. I thought I would giving them a lot of information to digests showing that I am right and people for centuries have been wrong. The wrong people have been is great. The whole KJV has perverted more thane you know in the minds of people. I can say more too. Religious people have lied to people. That is why the world is the way it is. If any one does anything consider my words. Then people will begin to change it into what is good not what it is

  47. I have not begun to talk. The theologians ever since the dawn of sinful man have perverted scripture. I show them the truth. What do they do? They scamper back to the same error that got us where we are. They say that is not what our theologians taught us. That is being what God calls a stiff necked people. God said that of sodomites. There are no soul losing contradictions in the KJV. Numbers of people in battle of numbers of chariots but big deal. King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)1 Corinthians 1:25
    Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
    The strength of men is a big weapon. The fool considers not his soul refusing to be like Jesus is. Do you have any knowledge of the character of Jesus ? He is our example you know.

  48. The whole KJV will have to be relearned. The abomination of desolation is Satan looking like a bright angle calling fire down from the sky being the beast. Rev, 13 -13. Armageddon is the final battle between light and darkness Rev, 20. That is the end of evil being devoured in Gods glory seen as fire to the wicked. I see video after video of the second coming getting all of that wrong too. Not a single video properly shows the great and terrible day of the Lord at the second coming with all that will happen with the wicked trying to hide from God in his glory. Read Isaiah 1, and you will see that sodomites were religious. That does not fit the profile that has been given to the oppressed gay or person who has sex with another species called a zoosexual.

  49. artie:
    “I have not begun to talk….”

    You are pushing your luck. Your arrogance is only exceeded by your lack of respect for others. You are not winning any friends here. If you want to go on at great length and dominate the discussion, suggest you start your own blog.

  50. Psst, Otteray? Artie has one already, the top post asserting how much love the people who have sex with animals have for their four legged paramour.
    So, I just…well, like Forrest Gump, that’s kind of all I have to say about that.

  51. artie, The KJV was written based on a 12th century version with many changes from texts translated from Greek and Latin with added/deleted notes from the monks doing the copying.

  52. Law is religion you blind dolt. Religious people arrest. The servant of the high priest arrested Jesus in Gethsemane. Jesus arrests no one. legal system arrests. Truth needs to be told. Can’t people endure the truth? I am not here to say soft words. When people see the truth my words will not look like hard words. The troll that is on Youtube that I have battled for years has hate with no loving logic at all.

  53. It is not the presumed right. It is the absolute right. Read the verses why don’t you? Do you think the interpretation of the holy spirit would have the result of devils that we have now?

  54. I have the truth hear ye me. What has been taught by theologians has been idolatry leading to one war after another teaching people like Kim Jong UN that a weapon is power. All need to know the truth. Know it not hiding it.

  55. know Jesus in his loving character who is God not warring no matter what and you will be guided by the holy spirit into all truth that harms no one avoiding the pit falls the religious people fell into who tried to find fault in Jesus.

  56. artiewhitefox:
    Offering one’s opinions on matters of general interest while maintaining personal anonymity is perfectly acceptable. Anonymity is highly inappropriate, however, when one holds oneself out as an expert on a subject and dogmatically (and impatiently) asserts that one’s statements represent absolute truth. You fall into the latter category. I have read portions of your blog site. Frankly, much of it is incoherent, as is much of what you have to say here.

    I think that it is time for you to reveal your identity and your academic qualifications. I doubt you will do either because you view yourself as some sort of latter-day prophet preaching to the ignorant and the ungodly. But it is wearisome rather than revelatory, boring rather than enlightening and does no favors for those who are friends of religion. I have personally heard more articulate arguments from street corner schizophrenics.

    In short, if you wish to engage anyone here in a serious exchange of ideas, you need first to become serious.

  57. Medicine is sorry to say related to sorcery. They rely on drugs. Physical therapy cannot hold a candle to Atlas Orthogonal chiropractic, Grostic, NUCCA, Blair being a few. I have something much better. All ages now infants on up in age, http://www.upcspine.com look up practitioners click on it. See where you are on the planet click on that to find one near you or upper cervical heath centers on the web. Put in your zip code to find a UCS only chiropractic practitioner. all ages now. Hate used the words I mentioned to hurt people perverting Gods word. That is not good for the soul that does that. I want to free the people that are persecuted saving the souls of people that persecuted having them willing to hug the people they previously persecuted.

  58. Are you still a personally appointed messenger of God, artie?

    Do you still think having sex with animals is normal?

    Chiropractic isn’t going to help.

  59. I see it wise to remain in Anonymity. You would treat me like religious people treated Jesus. The people claiming to know truth in reliugons creating what we have, and you say you have truth? you are self deceived. My qualifications are not of this earth. Had they be I would be in agreement with the the establish idolatrous institutions persecuting the people I defend just like anyone else. You know what I am saying. I am a latter day prophet sent of God. Truly truly flesh and blood did not reveal that indeed I am preaching to the ignorant and ungodly. I also edify the truth where I hear it. Jesus said woe unto you to religious people. Are you awaire of that? Was Jesus a friend of those that were against him? I am serious.

    Perversion in not any kind of sex. Defiled is not what satanic religions of the world claim taking Christs name in vain. That is swearing folks. Religions lie, lie, lie lie. All of the words are interrelated. Are you smart enough to figure that out?

    Hebrews 12:15; Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled.
    Isaiah 59 >>3For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
    King James Version
    The verse above takes about defiled,and perverse with both not Being sex of any kind.
    Matthew 15 >> 11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

    All of the words used against naked people, and the sexualities are not what religions claim.
    Perversion in not any kind of sex.
    Proverbs 17 :23A wicked man taketh a gift out of the bosom to pervert the ways of judgment.
    Proverbs 15 4A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit.
    Job 6 >>30Is there iniquity in my tongue? cannot my taste discern perverse things?
    King James Version
    Proverbs 12 >>8A man shall be commended according to his wisdom: but he that is of a perverse heart shall be despised.
    King James Version
    Isaiah 30 >>12Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon
    King James Version
    1 Timothy 6 >>5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness
    King James Version
    Deuteronomy 16 >>19Thou shalt not wrest judgment; thou shalt not respect persons, neither take a gift: for a gift doth blind the eyes of the wise, and pervert the words of the righteous. Words are perverted not sex of any kind..
    Job 8 >>3Doth God pervert judgment? or doth the Almighty pervert justice?
    King James Version
    Jeremiah 23 >>36And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man’s word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.
    Galatians 1 >>7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
    King James Version
    Ecclesiastes 5 >>8If thou seest the oppression of the poor, and violent perverting of judgment and justice in a province,
    King James Version
    Micah 3 >>9Hear this, I pray you, ye heads of the house of Jacob, and princes of the house of Israel, that abhor judgment, and pervert all equity.
    King James Version
    King James Version
    Pro 19 1Better is The poor that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lip,and and is a fool,

  60. I see it wise to remain in Anonymity. You would treat me like religious people treated Jesus. The people claiming to know truth in religions creating what we have, and you say you have truth? you are self deceived. My qualifications are not of this earth. Had they be I would be in agreement with the the establish idolatrous institutions persecuting the people I defend just like anyone else. You know what I am saying. I am a latter day prophet sent of God. Truly truly flesh and blood did not reveal that indeed I am preaching to the ignorant and ungodly. I also edify the truth where I hear it. Jesus said woe unto you to religious people. Are you awaire of that? Was Jesus a friend of those that were against him? I am serious.

    Perversion in not any kind of sex. Defiled is not what satanic religions of the world claim taking Christs name in vain. That is swearing folks. Religions lie, lie, lie lie. All of the words are interrelated. Are you smart enough to figure that out?

    Hebrews 12:15; Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled.
    Isaiah 59 >>3For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
    King James Version
    The verse above takes about defiled,and perverse with both not Being sex of any kind.
    Matthew 15 >> 11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

    All of the words used against naked people, and the sexualities are not what religions claim.
    Perversion in not any kind of sex.
    Proverbs 17 :23A wicked man taketh a gift out of the bosom to pervert the ways of judgment.
    Proverbs 15 4A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit.
    Job 6 >>30Is there iniquity in my tongue? cannot my taste discern perverse things?
    King James Version
    Proverbs 12 >>8A man shall be commended according to his wisdom: but he that is of a perverse heart shall be despised.
    King James Version
    Isaiah 30 >>12Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon
    King James Version
    1 Timothy 6 >>5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness
    King James Version
    Deuteronomy 16 >>19Thou shalt not wrest judgment; thou shalt not respect persons, neither take a gift: for a gift doth blind the eyes of the wise, and pervert the words of the righteous. Words are perverted not sex of any kind..
    Job 8 >>3Doth God pervert judgment? or doth the Almighty pervert justice?
    King James Version
    Jeremiah 23 >>36And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man’s word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.
    Galatians 1 >>7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
    King James Version
    Ecclesiastes 5 >>8If thou seest the oppression of the poor, and violent perverting of judgment and justice in a province,
    King James Version
    Micah 3 >>9Hear this, I pray you, ye heads of the house of Jacob, and princes of the house of Israel, that abhor judgment, and pervert all equity.
    King James Version
    King James Version
    Pro 19 1Better is The poor that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lip,and and is a fool,

  61. I am appointed of God. Having sex with animals is normal. How can it not be? We are animals in every which way. I can prove it biblically and scientifically in many ways.

  62. Sorry missed one. There is bad Chiropractic that twists the neck or pushes down on the upper back or pops the hips or pops the spine between the shoulder blades. That is diversified type of Chiropractor that is not good Transaction does not help either. The good type reposition the atlas into what is called the orthogonal position. The sooner that is done the better. Being checked periodically according to the individual is important. If you have a fall or accident wait a few days before having the UCS measure you. It takes time for internal imbalances to show externally.

  63. Sorry missed one. There is bad Chiropractic that twists the neck or pushes down on the upper back or pops the hips or pops the spine between the shoulder blades. That is diversified type of Chiropractor that is not good Traction does not help either. The good type reposition the atlas into what is called the orthogonal position. The sooner that is done the better. Being checked periodically according to the individual is important. If you have a fall or accident wait a few days before having the UCS measure you. It takes time for internal imbalances to show externally.

  64. Sorry missed one. There is bad Chiropractic that twists the neck or pushes down on the upper back or pops the hips or pops the spine between the shoulder blades. That is diversified type of Chiropractor that is not good. Traction does not help either. The good type reposition the atlas into what is called the orthogonal position. The sooner that is done the better. Being checked periodically according to the individual is important. If you have a fall or accident wait a few days before having the UCS measure you. It takes time for internal imbalances to show externally.

  65. Your intent is to act like a religious Pharisee. I defend people like Jesus would defend people. You wish to condemn. I know what you are thinking. Right now repent of even thinking of acting like a demonic religious person. Judge yourself. Will you do that?

  66. Internal imbalances can show externally, artie. For example, delusions of martyrdom, claiming to be an anointed prophet speaking directly for God, a persecution complex and bestiality. All of these are medically recognized symptoms of mental illness.

    I’m not persecuting you, artie.
    Nor am I mocking you.
    I’m concerned because you seem particularly incoherent and raving tonight.
    You need to get proper psychological care.
    Do you have a 311 service in your area? They can direct you to the help you need. If you don’t have 311, call a local hospital. They’ll be glad to steer you to the right place.
    Get help, artie. And not from a chiropractor. Jesus was all about healing the sick. He’d want you to get proper help too.
    Try it for a month. It’s voluntary. You can stop at any time.
    There is no shame in it.
    Seriously.
    I’m not just asking. I’m doing something I rarely ever do. I’m begging you, artie.
    For your own good.

  67. I give verse after verse, and you say I am incoherent? Call God that name. Bow your head in shame. Mine does the Toggle or Grostic. He is the best in the business. I will miss him when he has to retire. You are mocking me mocking God at the same time. You are a soul foolish idiot. Most need a UCS from birth. The atlas is the most unstable bone in the body. I am begging all to be checked by the care I speak of. The kind of care you trust in is related to pharmakeia, witchcraft, sorcery, wizardry. Even the medical field admits that there is aluminum, lead, Mercury and formaldihid in shots.

  68. No one said God was incoherent, artie. I said you are incoherent. You don’t think you’re God now, do you? That would be even more of a sign that you need proper mental health care.
    No one is going to give you a shot without your permission, artie.
    They’ll mainly want to talk to you.
    And you can call me any name you wish.
    That will not change that I am begging you to get some proper help and I’m doing so because it’s manifest to everyone reading this thread that you are in distress.

  69. ARtie:

    You are very well versed in the Lord’s words, and can quote scripture better than most everyone here and we like to read your perspective on the issues presented here. But it might be that we just don’t have the experience that you do and so it is good for us to hear what matters to you.

    You make good arguments for our Lord and it might also be helpful to talk with someone at your church and let them know what is happening with us here at the blog because I know it might be frustrating to see that not everyone here understands to word of our Lord, it might be good to explain to the minister that we on the blog are having trouble understanding the message you are trying to present to us and someone at your church, like the minister or pastor can listen to what is concerning you and he might have some good advice as to how to relate to us here. Plus, he can also help find scriptures that can be used to help prove the words of our Lord to some of those on the blog who are not as well informed about the Bible as you or your pastor might be.

    I know the minister at my church gave me some good tools to help convince others the right way to let Jesus into our hearts. They are always available to help us and they understand us quite well. Spiritual healing is the best kind of healing and I am glad to have this available for the asking. So when I talked with my minister, I learned things I could also teach others with. Sometimes it’s good to visit church now and then to see the light and what is important in life.

    The Lord will be with your Artie :)

  70. Artiewhitefox.

    I for one am no longer even trying to make sense of your incoherent ramblings, but please can you stop your habit of posting the same or almost the same text multiple times, it is so much of a nuisance scrolling past them. This same suggestion also applies to your two other sock puppet names that do the same thing.

  71. Peace happens:

    “In 1517, Jerusalem was taken over by the Ottoman Empire [Islam] and enjoyed a period of renewal and peace under Suleiman the Magnificent, including the construction of magnificent walls of what is now known as the Old City of Jerusalem … The rule of Suleiman and the subsequent Ottoman Sultans brought an age of “religious peace”; Jew, Christian and Muslim enjoyed the freedom of religion the Ottomans granted them and it was possible to find a synagogue, a church and a mosque in the same street. The city remained open to all religions …”

    (Wikipedia, Jerusalem).

    Pat Robertson seems to be historically and hysterically illiterate:

    God says, “They divided my land … This is my land. I gave it to Abraham and his descendants, and I don’t want it taken away from them.” And Jerusalem is the eternal capital of Israel. And for the United States to get into a deal where they’re trying to split Jerusalem and take it away from the Israelis and split up their capital — huge mistake. You’re asking for the wrath of Almighty God to fall on this nation. And when it falls, it won’t be fun.

    (Guardian, “Pat Robertson Says America’s Middle East Peace Push Is ‘Asking For The Wrath Of Almighty God’ “).

  72. artiewhitefox 1, April 10, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    Whoever calls Jesus anything other than Lord is a liar. The Muslim openly degrades Jesus trying to lift him up. Calling him a prophet is not lifting him up. You ought to know that John the Baptist a prophet said of Jesus. One greater than me whose sandals I am not worthy to unlatch. That is Jesus. All of the Muslim world wide needs to bow to him, but stiff necks refuse.——————

    Kiss the feet. Wash them first. I’m not a pollywog. I got to be a shellback because I crossed the equator. I refused to kiss the Captain’s feet. I did do everything else.

    There weren’t any sandals.

  73. Republican state Rep. Michele Presnell of Burnsville, N.C., the subject of JT’s post, is likely either a disciple of Pat Robertson or of artiewhitefox.

  74. Sorry, my comment just upthread mistakenly used “Guardian” as the link source, but it was actually “Huffington Post” not the Guardian.

  75. THE WALL STREET JOURNAL News Alert

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    Does this sound like propaganda?

  76. Ah artie! Its been a little while since a totally deranged commenter so, thanks for the belly laughs.

    Your very first joke was that people making war are blaspheming when they pray to God. If that is true than Americans are the greatest blasphemers in the world right now. We are openly engaged in war in at least one country and “secretly” engaged in was in at least 12 others.

    My guess is you give us a pass though because we are only killing brown and black people who pray funny.

  77. Dredd,
    Burnsville, NC is a lovely small town in the mountains of western North Carolina. Some folks, including lawmakers, don’t stop to think through what they say or claim to believe in. A couple of examples.

    I was in a small family owned store over that way during the time George the Lesser was President. It was a leisurely afternoon and my wife and I were the only customers, so we visited with them for a while. The conversation drifted around to the news, and I mentioned an elementary school kid had been suspended from school for wearing a t-shirt critical of Bush, but had been reinstated by a judge. The lady at the store said that the school did right, it should be illegal to criticize the President. I pointed out we had something called the First Amendment and political speech was absolutely protected. She kept muttering that it ought to be against the law to criticize the President. Wonder how she feels now that an icky brown guy and his family occupy the White House.

    The next county north Burnsville is Mitchell County. The editor of the weekly paper was getting a haircut a while back. Another customer came into the barbershop ranting about the EPA telling people what they could and could not do with their own land. It so happens the fellow owns the property next to the editor. He went on at some length at anyone should have the right to do what they damn well pleased with their own property, and it was nobody else’s business, especially the EPA.

    Now I should tell everyone the editor is a smart guy with a dry sense of humor, and loves irony. After letting his neighbor rant for a while longer in that vein, the editor said, “I am really glad you feel that way. I am working out a deal with the nuclear power plant to store spent fuel rods on my place.”

    According to those who were there, the anti-EPA guy turned all colors, storming out of the barbershop screaming, “Like hell you will.”

    I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

  78. artiewhitefox 1, April 11, 2013 at 12:44 am

    I am appointed of God. Having sex with animals is normal. How can it not be? We are animals in every which way. I can prove it biblically and scientifically in many ways
    ========================================================
    Here is some “gospel music” played at articwhitefox/beastie boy church for the other perverts in the congregation.

    WARNING VERY GRAPHIC LANGUAGE … R rated:

  79. OS:

    that is a good story but the EPA, The Army Corps of Engineers and local governments can prevent you from cutting trees down, filling in a pond and doing other things which in no way effect your neighbor or his property.

    There is a good deal of difference between storing spent fuel rods and cutting down a few trees or building a tennis court.

  80. Bron,
    Some laws, especially local ordinances, are sometimes idiotic. On the other hand, some are written to preserve historical places and things. Same goes for some Federal regs. Some make no sense. Others make perfect sense. For example, a farmer might want to hire a cropduster to kill insects in his crops. The guy who lives just downwind of him has a beekeeping operation. We can see that conflict right away.

    The remedy in some of these cases is through the courts. Each side has to prove their case. Sometimes the property owner wins, and sometimes the government wins. As for the newspaper editor messing with his neighbor’s mind, that anecdote goes to show the need for controls. Otherwise, everyone would be free to put something truly toxic or dangerous on their own property that will spill over on adjoining property.

  81. I got into fights when I was in the Navy, but I never did anything like that. I had a knife. LB7 Schrade. It was sharp like a razor. I won’t subscribe, but that’s the comment.

  82. God has to be in us to be like Jesus is. Don’t have God in you in spirit see Gods light when it is seen at the second coming or final judgment as hell. Die before final judgment be put in the devils unseen jail. NDE people think mistakenly that that is hell. I see lost souls . I see souls believing devils lies from religions perverting scripture. They like the shedding of blood.
    Ungodly religious people have hidden truth in a book in their own hands. 9 places in KJV says the heart figuratively is to be circumcised not the penis tip at all. Deuteronomy 30:6, Deuteronomy 10:16 ;Jeremiah 4:4 , Jeremiah 9:26; Colossians 2:11-15;Acts 7:51;Leviticus 26:41;Romans 2:29, Romans 3, 30, Islamic religious parallels the deceptions of the west. Truth has been hidden in a shroud of darkness. Repent of your devil talk.

  83. The lie about hell from religions made peoiple think they could give judgment. It is given in the legal system that is merciless like the devil is merciless and war that is likewise merciless. That belief system made Kim Jong UN who is a merciless manipulative liar who loves with dissimulation – deception thinking war is justice.

  84. The lie about hell from religions made people think they could give judgment. It is given in the legal system that is merciless like the devil is merciless and war that is likewise merciless. That belief system made Kim Jong UN who is a merciless manipulative liar who loves with dissimulation – deception thinking war is justice.

  85. Thank you for your words that are not abominable giving blessings. I am not part of any church. I would be escorted out of whatever church had I try to speak the truth there. Word of mouth from person to person is the best thing coining what I say changing the hearts of men to shrink the lake of fire is what is the best thing right now. When God is in the heart of whoever they will refuse to persecute people whatever the name they go by. Jesus saves. I tried to show that the gay is not the sodomite in a church not wanting worse for anyone like the sodomite outside Lot’s house. The parishioners were beginning to side with me. That is when the pastor had me escorted to the door.

  86. Thank you for your words that are not abominable giving blessings. I am not part of any church. I would be escorted out of whatever church had I try to speak the truth there. Word of mouth from person to person is the best thing to do changing the hearts of men to shrink the lake of fire is what is the best thing right now. When God is in the heart of whoever they will refuse to persecute people whatever the name they go by. Jesus saves. I tried to show that the gay is not the sodomite in a church not wanting worse for anyone like the sodomite outside Lot’s house. The parishioners were beginning to side with me. That is when the pastor had me escorted to the door

  87. I got blessing from one person showing they are a Christian not acting religious with me. Your words are defiling your soul making people bitter defiling their souls. You are not wise. I would wish that you were wise. Had you be wise your words would show it.

  88. The one saying he is a Christian is a devil in disguise. Hell is Gods glory Moses could not see from God’s face on mount Sinai. The one saying Hell is forever burning the equivalent to life – Life is a deceive lie. The soul that sins it shall die. That is what scripture says. How much more clearer can scripture be? The furry saying they are a good person is good because the spirit of God is in him willingly. The body that kills life to live calling what it kills as being more can of itself do nothing that is good.

    No one comes to the father except through Jesus is because Jesus is the father. Had any one that saw God without his glory like Moses for example been raised up from the dead seeing Jesus when he had blood in him would have said what Thomas said; my Lord and my God.

    He is right. Jesus decides who gets into heaven and who does not. Heaven has to be in you to be non be warlike to get into Gods kingdom. God’s light decides that.

    The one saying he is blaspheming against God is the one who is offending one of his little ones, and grieving Gods spirit away from him committing blaspheme. Have that person die in that state of mind will be in the devils jail. Do the works of Christ be a Christian. A person is not a christian just because they say so. That is externals. The one that verbally said he was a Christian is not a Christian.
    The angry exclusionary god is Satan masquerading as an angel of light. it is by Satan’s desighn that Satan looks like he looks in the art that churches endorse. Satan does not want people to know that he can shine light like God.
    2:42, that furry just experienced rebirth resisting the devil giving good words. Devils cannot give good words.

  89. The one saying he is a Christian is a devil in disguise. Hell is Gods glory Moses could not see from God’s face on mount Sinai. The one saying Hell is forever burning the equivalent to life – Life is a deceiving lie. The soul that sins it shall die. That is what scripture says. How much more clearer can scripture be? The furry saying they are a good person is good because the spirit of God is in him willingly. The body that kills life to live calling what it kills as being more can of itself do nothing that is good.

    No one comes to the father except through Jesus is because Jesus is the father. Had any one that saw God without his glory like Moses for example been raised up from the dead seeing Jesus when he had blood in him would have said what Thomas said; my Lord and my God.

    He is right. Jesus decides who gets into heaven and who does not. Heaven has to be in you to be non be warlike to get into Gods kingdom. God’s light decides that.

    The one saying he is blaspheming against God is the one who is offending one of his little ones, and grieving Gods spirit away from him committing blaspheme. Have that person die in that state of mind will be in the devils jail. Do the works of Christ be a Christian. A person is not a christian just because they say so. That is externals. The one that verbally said he was a Christian is not a Christian.
    The angry exclusionary god is Satan masquerading as an angel of light. it is by Satan’s desighn that Satan looks like he looks in the art that churches endorse. Satan does not want people to know that he can shine light like God.
    2:42, that furry just experienced rebirth resisting the devil giving good words. Devils cannot give good words.

  90. artiewhitefox 1, April 11, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    It is simple. Consider your neighbor. Isn’t that what Love your neighbor as yourself is all about?
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    I don’t quote the bible. I still have the knife.

  91. Moron. I am anti religion. I am not religious at all not wanting what religious people want. Your spirit is religious. Religions have twisted your brain.
    People that kill thinking it is a solution are religious being anti God anti Christ. Religious people thought that killing was a solution KJV, . John 18 >>Now Caiaphas was he, which gave counsel to the Jews, that it was expedient that one man should die for the people.
    Mark 14:1-9, the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death, John 12;10 the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death; Satan in religion wants death not God who is Jesus. Legal system =religion = military, and anyone killing calling it good. The spirit in you is the same that was in Caiaphas and the other religious people. They acted like sodomites.

  92. The Buddhist is calm. The one talking about hell teaches devils wish of what he wanted for all of us. God prevented the devils Hell keeping Adam and Eve away from the tree of life when they fell.
    Religions echo Satan’s concept of hell had Adam, and Eve been allowed to stay in the garden partaking of the tree of life. Earth would have been an ever worsening hell with people not dying feeling pain misery and woe weeping. Wars trying to kill people unsuccessfully. living mountains of bodies grow for billions of years culminating with the expanding sun roasting people. The divine comedy with the air being burned off. People screaming with no sound and then then freeze. God is helpless. Do the good works of Jesus be saved.

    The truth of what is hell is in the KJV never taught.Religions needs to teach the truth on many levels. God glory seen as if it was fire = hell. to evil. KJV, 1 John 1;5, God is light. Heb;12:29; a consuming fire. James 1:17, Father of lights, Hell is the glorified face of God Moses could not look at or become ashes. That light makes the earth to have no more sea, and melts elements, and consumes the wicked around city of God Rev, 20. Hell is not a place. No lost no lake of fire. Gods light is good to those that love to do good.
    Out of the heart of the Buddhist is good. Out of the heart of the other is not good.
    The Buddhist sees things as they are. That is good, but there is the spiritual that goes beyond what is seen. The good that is not seen keeps Gods law of loving whoever as yourself. The Buddhist endeavors is to do this.
    All things that people make are from what they did not make.
    Compassion is what Jesus has for all of us being the father. The Buddhist has compassion. That means God is doing his good work in the Buddhists. Gods light is hell that refuse to have compassion. People that war and Jail or influence laws to oppress do not have compassion. They will see Gods light as Hell.

  93. I told You I am not a religion by any name. Why call me a religion? Upper cervical specific chiropractic is not a religion either. Man are you mixed up. Go to your sorcery. Have fun.

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