From Big Gulp To Big Brother: Bloomberg Calls For Reduction of Constitutional Protections

bloombergMayor Michael Bloomberg appears to be moving beyond dictating what people can drink and eat in his city despite judicial rulings finding his policies in violation of the Constitution. Bloomberg joined the Pavlovian response of politicians this week in calling for a reduction in civil liberties in response to the Boston Marathon bombing. Bloomberg warned citizens that the Constitution will “have to change” to allow for greater security to stave off future attacks.

Bloomberg warned that “The people who are worried about privacy have a legitimate worry. But we live in a complex word where you’re going to have to have a level of security greater than you did back in the olden days, if you will. And our laws and our interpretation of the Constitution, I think, have to change.”

It is statements like this that show a fundamental lack of understanding of our constitutional history and values. It borders on constitutional defamation. We have a Constitution that has survived pressures that could have reduced many systems to a fine dust from depression to social strife. Yet, two brothers plant make-shift bombs built from pressure cookers and Bloomberg wants to take a cleaver to the Constitution. Exactly what part of the Constitution does Bloomberg want to reduce like an over-sized soda? Privacy? The warrant clause?

Bloomberg however feels that the Constitution is not the object that we are fighting to protect but the very thing that is endangering us: “Look, we live in a very dangerous world. We know there are people who want to take away our freedoms. New Yorkers probably know that as much if not more than anybody else after the terrible tragedy of 9/11. We have to understand that in the world going forward, we’re going to have more cameras and that kind of stuff. That’s good in some sense, but it’s different from what we are used to.”

Bloomberg is of course calling for such changes before we even analyze this attack. His call for more cameras ignores that fact that this attack would not have been avoided with such measures and occurred in one of the most heavily surveilled areas of Boston — a point discussed in an earlier column.

While it is politicians like Bloomberg who are endangering our rights, he prefers to blame his proposed actions on the terrorists: “We cannot let the terrorists put us in a situation where we can’t do those things. And the ways to do that is to provide what we think is an appropriate level of protection.” How exactly are the terrorists “putting us in a situation where we can’t” protect ourselves unless Bloomberg is including the Framers among the terrorists.

It appears that, yet again, privacy will be the right to bear the brunt of political responses to the bombing. Bloomberg was quick to say religion must be protected while calling for increased government surveillance of citizens: “You still want to let people practice their religion, no matter what that religion is. And I think one of the great dangers here is going and categorizing anybody from one religion as a terrorist. That’s not true … That would let the terrorists win. That’s what they want us to do.”

No, Mr. Mayor, what the terrorist want us to do is to cause self-inflicted wounds like ripping down our constitutional laws and traditions. They want to show that we are hypocrites. That is the point of terror — to trigger a bigger response to the bombing out of fear and hate. Bloomberg responded perfectly on cue in calling for the expansion of the already burgeoning security state.

We are truly living in dangerous times but the greatest threat can be found in men like Bloomberg who fit the description perfectly of Louis Brandeis: ““The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in the insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding.”

Source: Politicker

116 thoughts on “From Big Gulp To Big Brother: Bloomberg Calls For Reduction of Constitutional Protections

  1. Mayor Bloomberg needs to take a refresher course in history and constitutional law. His type of thinking will lead us to less security and less rights.

  2. All hail the benevolent all knowing dictator Mr. Bloomberg. I am amazed how many people think this guy is working for the people. He is working for the billionaires and the developers. His gun control sorties are distractions to make liberals love him. Finally he shows his true colors. We don’t need no stinking Constitution!

  3. “We must give up our rights in the name of safety.”

    Fantastic. What’s next, Shorty?

    “We must forgo our laws and appoint a Supreme Leader”?

    “War is peace”?

    Doubleplus ungood.

    Bloomberg and those like him need to be out of our political dynamic in positions of power. The growing influence of corporatist authoritarian fascists needs to be excised from the body politic like the cancer that it is.

  4. Well stated Professor Turley.

    I wonder if Mayor Bloomberg can help with the funding to install a camera system, perimeter fence, and pressure cooker x-ray device at the intersection of Road 47 NE and Road T NE in rural Grant County, WA. There is a haystack and some old farm buildings that are vulnerable to terrorist attack. Maybe, just maybe, we might be able to prevent another tradgedy, just like happened in Boston recently.

    If one Chukar or Sage Grouse could be saved, it would all be worth it.

  5. Bloomberg warned citizens that the Constitution will “have to change” to allow for greater security to stave off future attacks.

    Another “Elected Official” suggesting we dismiss the Constitution they swore to defend and support.

    There seems to be a rash of them since 9/11…

  6. Sorry, o.t. however this is important testimony.

    Published on Apr 23, 2013
    [WASHINGTON, DC] Farea Al-Muslimi, a Yemeni youth activist and writer, testified today at a hearing of the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights and Human Rights chaired by Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL) on the moral, legal and constitutional issues surrounding targeted killings and the use of drones.

  7. Bloomberg is an authoritarian personality. He is controlling, does not really understand civil liberties or the Constitution. He is so used to barking orders that he has no concept of not meddling in other people’s business.

    He also fails to see himself for the hypocrite he is. The picture at the link below was sent to me by one of my friends in the military, who in turn got it from a New York agency member who, for obvious reasons, wants to remain anonymous.

  8. The Constitution has worked for 2 1/4 centuries now, through a civil war, two world wars and several regional wars. It has worked pretty well up till now. This country has faced worse threats than a handful of young people with homemade bombs.

    From where I sit, Bloomberg does not really understand democracy or the Bill of Rights.

  9. To keep you believing you are free, I must take away your freedoms? Brilliant! Ben Franklin and the Founders must be very disappointed…..

  10. underdog Navy prevails over perennial favorite St. Johns in a rousing game of croquet.

    “Bucking a trend, the U.S. Navy triumphed over the favored St. John’s College in a traditional match of croquet on Saturday.

    The Navy midshipmen’s 4-1 victory over the so-called Johnnies is just its sixth in the 31-year history of the two teams in the battle for the prized Annapolis Cup. According to The Capital-Gazette, the Navy last won a match against St. John’s College in 2005.”

  11. Let’s send Bloomberg to a small concentration camp……… to teach him about RIGHTS!!!!!

  12. I don’t want “security”, particularly Bloomberg-style security. I want freedom. It is sad to see what the once-free USA has become. Every time the President, Congress, or indeed, Mr Bloomberg, rolls back civil liberties a little more, the terrorists are handed another victory. Eventually we will have a “safe” society which is neither truly safe nor free, and which everyone with a little sense will seek to flee. Think East Germany…

  13. Bloomers-Berger…. you are so wrong! What is needed here, is not another excuse to start limiting American ‘Rights’! We ALREADY HAVE THE ‘WRONG WING’ OF the Rethuglican party dedicated to trying to do that!!! What is required here is for us to set an example to the rest of the world as to what will happen to terrorists in the future…After this boy/man is completely healed from his injuries….. Give him a very speedy trial, then subject him to the most exruciating type of execution, broadcast live on every TV in America… and to the rest of the World. … To demonstrate what kind of punishments terrorist will & should receive in the future…… Don’t come to my country, Terrorists, and try to destroy it and our way of life….. You, terrorists, deserve to be slowly lowered into giant tree shreaders, or vats of boiling acid. We need to stop worrying about being kind to violent offenders, and proceed with the punishment phase…The offenders need to be punished, not Americans!!!!!!!!!!!

  14. I could say sooooo much on this. Most would echo other comments here so I needn’t do so. Bloomberg is a scary man, indeed, as he will lure in many of the scared crowd.

    The Brandeis quote is spot on. If only we could heed the wisdom of the ages.

  15. EastBroadway: Give him a very speedy trial, then subject him to the most exruciating type of execution, broadcast live on every TV in America

    You fail to understand that what would deter you does not deter a person desperate enough to become terrorist. Those that embrace dying for a cause are not deterred by punishment. The hijackers that took aircraft into the World Trade center knew they would die and did their deed anyway. A suicide bomber knows they will die and they do their deed anyway. Why in the world would somebody truly ready to die for a cause be deterred by seeing one of their fellow terrorists executed, even horrifically?

    For a terrorist watching your broadcast their mindset will be, “That man is a brave hero, and we should be not fearful but inspired, people need to understand what we will not just endure, but embrace, to achieve justice.”

    Is that what you hope to accomplish?

  16. IMichael Bloomberg takes no salary as Mayor. When somebody gives you something for nothing, nothing is exactly what you get. Crazy people think they are OK and everyone else has a problem.

  17. I expect nothing less from the mayor of the city where the fourth amendment is dead if you don’t have white skin.

  18. If an elected official calls for changing our constitution, can they be impeached for not upholding our constitution?

    “We are truly living in dangerous times but the greatest threat can be found in men like Bloomberg who fit the description perfectly of Louis Brandeis: ““The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in the insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding.””

    A quote that should be taught every year in school from 1st through 12th grade.

  19. Paul,
    Advocating for change to the Constitution is not the same as “failing to uphold.” Anyone can advocate for anything, that’s the way politics works. On the other hand violating constitutional rights is not acceptable; however, that has not stopped many elected officials from the President on down from actually doing things that should have gotten them indicted for war crimes.

    Gerald Ford sat a dangerous precedent when he pardoned Richard Nixon.

  20. EastBroadway: I’m positive… many of the victims would disagree with you!

    Yeah, I suppose many victims would take some satisfaction in exacting revenge and calling it “justice,” that is human nature.

    That wasn’t YOUR contention, however, your contention is that the terrorists would be terrorized by seeing somebody painfully executed on TV, and that would reduce their propensity toward terrorism. You could not be further from the truth if you tried.

  21. Bloomberg is right. Safety is more important than liberty.

    Surely, since the more political and civil power any particular actor enjoys, the more potentially dangerous that actor is to the general safety?

    It follows that someone with Bloomberg’s power must be monitored at all times and should voluntarily surrender any expectation of privacy in his personal or public life. I’m not even sure it is good strategy to allow such a powerful public figure to have any so-called private life at all considering the danger to society.

  22. Well stated Jonathan…..

    I think this goes to the very core of folks opposed to more regulation by the government in the name of OUR safety…..

    This is in essence the core complaint of the NRA…. and on that note, even though I am not a member, nor do I care to become is the reason I support NO MORE GOVERNMENT INTRUSION in our lives…..

    People are always ready to jump on whats politically expedient….NOT what right….

    Just like I have seen in the legislature….If you vote against more funding for the WAR machine…..You are in support of Terrorism….. If you vote against funding for the Police….You are soft on crime…..

    These people with money and want to be power scare the hell out of me….

  23. AY,
    The core complaint of the NRA is to complain on anything, in order to stoke fear and drive gun sales. That is their only intent in anything they do or say.

  24. Bloomberg is a threat to our Bill of Rights. He is a Fascist. Our country is becoming overrun with them.

    The day they declare confiscation is the day they have declared war on the Constitution and will see a response in kind from the people.

    Our country is quickly heading towards a Revolution. Revolution and not Dicatatorship, because far too many people are not going to hand over the guns and lay down.

  25. Raff,

    Do you really think so? I think it’s the mouse getting in the house approach…. Just for instance, how many constructional rights have been thrown willing under the rug just because of fear induced panic by our government….. In the name to fight terrorism…. You know, some folks consider drone attacks outside the US fine and dandy…. But when you bring em here that’s a different story….. See any 4th amendment violations….. See any similarities to the drones and standing army’s prohibited by the construction of the Constitution…..

    You are entitled to your views that its profit motivated…. While, I will agree that it’s driving up the sales…. I read where even the mfg never dreamed that sales would be out 2.5 years….. Because if demand and prepayment…. But, I see it more basic than this…..

  26. Anyone of any descent can desend to Nazi. Hitler was part jewish. Curley from the Three Stooges would say: ” Hotsie Totsie, I smell a Nazi” Then he would say: “Yuk, Yuk, Yuk, Yuk.”

    Bloomberg is beyond the Pale. That means The Paletinate for those of you without a geographical and historical reference. So, it means that they would kick him out of Israel. I have a difficult time listening to some schmuck who speaks the Turdy, turd and a turd lingo. He needs a large gulp diet cola enema. He is an enemy of the people.

  27. With CISPA, surveillance cameras and the drones of all sizes, we no longer have privacy. The government is already positioned to totally quash any revolution. It has the means to legally monitor all communications and the fire power to wipe us all out. They’ve demonstrated many times that “collateral damage”, i.e. innocents, just don’t matter. The terrorists I fear sit in political capitals ignoring the rights of the citizens.

  28. I agree with bettykath except that I would add that here we sit broken hearted tried to poop but only farted. Lets get up and Occupy Bloomberg’s Office.

  29. Bloomberg probably thinks that we need more databases and watchlists, too.

    “The TIDE database is one of many federal security databases set up after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.”

    TIDE = “Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment”

    TIDE. Because there’s an ocean of terrorists?

    The sources said Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s details were entered into TIDE, a database maintained by the National Counterterrorism Center…

    The FBI found nothing to suggest he was an active threat, but all the same placed his name on the “Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment” list. The FBI has not said what it did find about Tsarnaev.

    But the database, which holds more than half a million names, is only a repository of information on people who U.S. authorities see as known, suspected or potential terrorists from around the world.

    Because of its huge size, U.S. investigators do not routinely monitor everyone registered there, said U.S. officials familiar with the database.

    As of 2008, TIDE contained more than 540,000 names, although they represented about 450,000 actual people, because some of the entries are aliases or different name spellings for the same person. Fewer than 5 percent of the TIDE entries were U.S. citizens or legal residents, according to a description of the database on the NCTC website.


    The TIDE database is one of many federal security databases set up after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. The database system has been criticized in the past for being too cumbersome, especially in light of an attempted attack on a plane in 2009. Intelligence and security agencies acknowledged in Congress that they had missed clues to the Detroit “underpants bomber” Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab. Officials said after the incident that he had been listed in the TIDE database.

    Republican Senator Susan Collins said there were problems in sharing information ahead of the Boston bombings, too.

    “This is troubling to me that this many years after the attacks on our country in 2001 that we still seem to have stovepipes that prevent information from being shared effectively,” she said. Collins was speaking after the FBI gave a closed-door briefing to the Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday, but she did not elaborate.

    Tsarnaev was not put on the “no-fly” list that would have banned him from boarding an airplane in the United States. Neither was he named on the Selectee List, which would have required him to be given extra security screening at airports.

    Another list, the Terrorist Screening Database, is a declassified version of the highly classified TIDE with fewer details about terrorist suspects. One source said Tsarnaev was on this list, too.

    After being put in the TIDE system, his name was entered in another database, this one maintained by the Homeland Security Department’s Customs and Border Protection bureau which is used to screen people crossing U.S. land borders and entering at airports or by sea.

    End of excerpts

  30. G.Mason: It is so cute that you think you could prevail against the full force of the US Government with the weapons available to you. They have already declared war on the Constitution, and have seen no “response” from the the people.

    I doubt they will ever confiscate guns, they are all about the money, dude, and they have their own fortresses (and armed guards) to protect them against most gun violence. But if they ever do decide to confiscate guns, they aren’t stupid, they will do it with an overwhelming force of police and national guard already radicalized to see any gun as a danger. Anybody refusing to comply will be an automatic criminal, and the few holdouts that love guns would be slaughtered by helicopter gunships while standing their ground with their popguns.

    I own guns, but the vast majority of people that I know that DO own guns would certainly not fight to the death to keep them should they become illegal; they wouldn’t even risk going to prison. They own guns to protect them against actual criminals, not out of some fantasy of protecting themselves against their own government.

  31. One of the reasons I voted for Obama in 2008 is because I saw him as a calm, measured, intelligent, that order. I was wrong. I read yesterday the Mayor of Munchkin Land wants to raise the age to buy tobacco to 21. In comparison to this statement about the constitution, the tobacco think is small potatoes. And, he’s the mayor of NYC so his statements about the constitution are much closer irrelevent than scary. Does this Munchkin really believe this horseshit, or is he Clintonesque? I don’t know. However, if it’s the latter, that would mean he’s pandering to his constituency..NYC voters, although the NYC folks I know don’t abide. If he is spewing this stuff in hopes of a higher office he is not calm, measured, or intelligent. Maybe the Wicked Witch of the West can take care of him, and I would love to see those flying monkeys carry him away! Those flying monkeys scared the shit out of me when I was a kid

  32. Nick: wants to raise the age to buy tobacco to 21.

    I would raise everything to the age of 21. Enlistment in the armed forces, drinking age, voting, smoking tobacco, the age of sexual consent (between a person over 21 and a person under 21).

    Biologically speaking, humans are not mental adults until the age of 22-24, they have not completed myelin sheathing of the frontal cortex (responsible for weighing consequences of actions). They are still children. Sexually mature, but mentally immature.

    That isn’t just science, it is science backed up by tons of empirical evidence and experiments. We should never have lowered the age to vote to enlistment age, we should have raised the age of enlistment age to 21, when people were far more likely to make a rational decision instead of an emotionally driven decision.

  33. Fabulous.

    The author of sodapop-prohibition is ready to tell us what is important and what is not. He’s now telling us that our basic constitutional freedoms are not so terribly important. First to prevent chubbiness and then to prevent insecurity, he’s quite ready for US to give up whatever rights he thinks are unimportant. HELP HELP SOMEBODY RESTRAIN THIS WILDMAN!

  34. That the TIDE database is so huge they cannot keep an eye on those that actually and truly pose a threat in a not upside down world would be an indication to tighten controls and make sure only those who are truly deemed potential threats would be listed.

  35. Statistics show you’re a high risk driver until age 25. That’s why you can’t rent a car until that age. Why not 25 for everything, including driving??Consensual sex 21?? Your fellow logician disagrees w/ you on that, as do probably “99%” of the people here.

  36. And, your raising the voting age to 21 sounds downright Republican. You know the Dems would never abide.

  37. We are radicalizing people, both here and abroad. Some of the things going on in the U.S. (one domestic program, in particular) is fueling acts of violence — we are seeing suicides and homicides because of it. It’s only a matter of time before a mass-shooting or other tragic event, such as “Boston”, will be linked to this program to which I’m referring.

    We don’t need to “reduce constitutional protections” — we need to take a close look at the databases that, as leejcaroll rightly says, are clearly bloated and unmanageable.


    Greenwald today:

    “The same motive for anti-US ‘terrorism’ is cited over and over”

    “Ignoring the role played by US actions is dangerously self-flattering and self-delusional”


    Second, it’s crucial to understand this causation because it’s often asked “what can we do to stop Terrorism?” The answer is right in front of our faces: we could stop embracing the polices in that part of the world which fuel anti-American hatred and trigger the desire for vengeance and return violence. Yesterday at a Senate hearing on drones, a young Yemeni citizen whose village was bombed by US drones last week (despite the fact that the targets could easily have been arrested), Farea Al-Muslimi, testified. Al-Muslimi has always been pro-American in the extreme, having spent a year in the US due to a State Department award, but he was brilliant in explaining these key points:

    “Just six days ago, my village was struck by a drone, in an attack that terrified thousands of simple, poor farmers. The drone strike and its impact tore my heart, much as the tragic bombings in Boston last week tore your hearts and also mine.

    “What radicals had previously failed to achieve in my village one drone strike accomplished in an instant: there is now an intense anger and growing hatred of America.”

    He added that anti-American hatred is now so high as a result of this drone strike that “I personally don’t even know if it is safe for me to go back to Wessab because I am someone who people in my village associate with America and its values.” And he said that whereas he never knew any Yemenis who were sympathetic to al-Qaida before the drone attacks, now:

    “AQAP’s power and influence has never been based on the number of members in its ranks. AQAP recruits and retains power through its ideology, which relies in large part on the Yemeni people believing that America is at war with them” . . .

    “I have to say that the drone strikes and the targeted killing program have made my passion and mission in support of America almost impossible in Yemen. In some areas of Yemen, the anger against America that results from the strikes makes it dangerous for me to even acknowledge having visited America, much less testify how much my life changed thanks to the State Department scholarships. It’s sometimes too dangerous to even admit that I have American friends.”

    He added that drone strikes in Yemen “make people fear the US more than al-Qaida”.

    There seems to be this pervasive belief in the US that we can invade, bomb, drone, kill, occupy, and tyrannize whomever we want, and that they will never respond. That isn’t how human affairs function and it never has been. If you believe all that militarism and aggression are justified, then fine: make that argument. But don’t walk around acting surprised and bewildered and confounded (why do they hate us??) when violence is brought to US soil as well. It’s the inevitable outcome of these choices, and that’s not because Islam is some sort of bizarre or intrinsically violent and uncivilized religion. It’s because no group in the world is willing to sit by and be targeted with violence and aggression of that sort without also engaging in it (just look at the massive and ongoing violence unleashed by the US in response to a single one-day attack on its soil 12 years ago: imagine how Americans would react to a series of relentless attacks over the course of more than a decade, to say nothing of having their children put in prison indefinitely with no charges, tortured, kidnapped, and otherwise brutalized by a foreign power).

    Being targeted with violence is a major cost of war and aggression. It’s a reason not do it. If one consciously decides to incur that cost, then that’s one thing. But pretending that this is all due to some primitive and irrational religious response and not our own actions is dangerously self-flattering and self-delusional. Just listen to what the people who are doing these attacks are saying about why they are doing them. Or listen to the people who live in the places devastated by US violence about the results. None of it is unclear, and it’s long past time that we stop pretending that all this evidence does not exist. -end of excerpt

  38. The greatest threat to the freedom of the American citizenry is congress and the presidency. It is not terrorists, foreign governments, criminals or others. The former two can with a simple vote take away whatever rights you have or erode them by the aggregation of several measures or executive orders. Then they can use their positions to enforce actions against the citizens to keep them in line or punish them for advocating freedom.

    But it is the ordinary citizen who enables these two groups to do so by voting for irresponsible politicians that will return the favor by taking away the rights the citizens should hold as their most important asset, liberty.

    The branch of government that can ultimately prevent this might be the courts, but if the courts choose to eliminate the seperation of powers and be at least indifferent to any abuse congress or the presidency might engange in then the road to a repressive government will be paved.

    Elected officials who in corruption or trampling of liberty should be immediately impeached and thrown out of office upon conviction. But when the ones levying the charges (house) and holding the trial (senate) are part of the same group of people, it isn’t necessarily the most objective venue.

    There are always going to be sociopaths and those with ill intent running for office, and in some ways I think the position attracts these types of people on occasion, so the best way to prevent a tyrrany in the US Gov’t is to be as informed as possible on every candidate and not allow bread, circuses, fear, politicial affiliation and propaganda carry the vote.

  39. Darren: Sociopaths are attracted to office far more than “on occasion,” it is almost a requirement for winning the election. Charismatic, unafraid, ruthless against opponents to the edge of criminality, willing to lie.

    The job is perfect: No actual duties whatsoever, an exorbitant salary, plenty of opportunity for self-enrichment and enormous deference from law enforcement and courts, to the point of near immunity for many crimes for which common citizens would be arrested and charged.

    But not your mayor, or your Congressman or Senator.

    The fundamental problem with your complaint is that there is nobody to impeach the powerful; if you created a body that could do that, then THEY would be the powerful: Who would impeach them?

  40. More damning info that Boston has every indication it was a False Flag opt.

    Everything points to it was run out of DC. Obama or who gave the ok for the event, I’m not sure?

    For example, why did Obama send SS to interferwith Infowars reporter at the Boston press conference? Jones has the pictures/story up at infowars.

    Regardless, the Fascist Nazi Aholes like Bloomberg are in a panick right now.

    Be careful, those aholes a very dangerous now they are being exposed as American hating trash.


    Tamerlan Tsarnaev Attended CIA-sponsored Workshop

    Kurt Nimmo
    April 24, 2013

  41. Oky1, Are Elvis and JFK really dead? Was the moon walk a hoax? Are there aliens among us? “Inquiring minds want to know.”

  42. Nick,

    I wish most of this stuff was a joke.

    Have you studied Monsanto’s GOMs?

    I have a bit.

    Your fear of flying monkes might be well founded.

    With corpes like Monsanto & their out of control genetic modifications there’s no telling what our grand kids & great grandkids are going to look like.

    Deny all you like or use your computer for research, it’s your choice.

  43. Berlin was safe and orderly. Then came der Amerikans mit der bombers and den der Ruskies and Amerikans troops. Disorder. We moved to New York. Heil Bloomberg.

  44. Oky1, Do you think those doctors as Mass General that did the amputations on the bombing victims are in on the “false flag operation” ?

  45. to go back to decade-hence they would all be wearing war clothes. some times I even know the clothes they are wearing years before they walk U P to ME. I would like to wonder sometimes. if they are whereing camo flawdged under wear what are they trying to hide! tu fik all to understand…
    …do nothing and nothing will happen and I will diccar U N till there is nothing

    …this is what it means: the earth will be destroyed, ore times put in the proper place.
    marri’n tufik all broadcast that I will always be sick, looking fore a bed, and shivering so badley that the bed wood bee ratteling.the whore says in storee count-tea genisis three four must ang’L for shelter and lyon with the lam’ with every knead, and go down the rode to love lock a relevation: see seven teen.
    Hey prez the pope wants a joe Blob and bidon wants to kiss his ring…
    … if you want to talk to god, Gyst get on the tube station and tell U S you want to talk to DUH NUT ( wy fore ‘evans sake did cussed her make a miss take in omen’ .

    tim’ee te’boeing to the cross is a gaurt er coma n snake an u s water to a b rode to imagine.sum myrhh smells are all over.
    knocksville: men will hesitate at EL door rod oh the men in awe will go to a park and ‘read and know that skin flints sparks. ahhh squaw guess ! the ter’tell did creak in ac’e.
    the sands of L.’V. are written, knot to go two parks and sin ! don’t litter ! the h’ll will be m’n’s’m…
    …the a post’oles creed that no’man will be judged unfarelee aft-her a wrapped sure of GOD! knew,men would live in sin and hallei lou-ya, holy, wholey, holey. HE is risen ! he is blessed, and the only weigh to get the ring out your ‘ears is to suck it out through the womb ! bi’e on t’me: the weight is over he’d…

    … pee pill will go out in day light and see duh stars.have you done the L’V. stirr-upp. ewe missed a period . they covered the street , and GOD rote a crap game with die’ from a mounty car low.

    will jon stew-art take the summerof with pat some-or-all, all those born of GOD we’re made known in a SECOND!

  46. Sm,


    Type into your search engine:wiki Operation Gladio & read for your how they’ve been running False Flag opts & then compare those events to Boston.

    The case at Boston hasn’t been completely investigated yet. I’ll wait for the info to come out & decide how I see it.

  47. We’ve been working at getting away from all GMO for a few years now, it isn’t easy.

    And about 4-5 months ago I find out the wheat is also bad. I haven’t dealt with that problem yet.

    It should be apparent, if the honey bees eat that GMO junk & die it couldn’t be good for use to eat.

  48. SWM,

    Not to get totally off the subject, but the reason behind this bill, signed into law by our president & congressional leaders, is to allow monsanto not label their products (i.e. how would you & I know that if it is a GMO product? Including what’s in these GMOs? the new law allows Monsanto not to disclose this info, if they choose to), and now, thanks to our leaders, we can’t hold Monsanto accountable if their products are harmful.

  49. Monsanto wrote the bill. What else would you expect? When a company goes for immunity from lawsuits I expect they know they should be sued. Something like Cheney giving fracking a pass on EPA oversight and exemption from the Clean Water Act. Now why would that be?

  50. Some of you here are better qualified than I am to answer the question about the man with the severed legs being wheelchaired in Boston. Is it possible for two legs to be so amputated and not have lots of arterial blood flow? Where’s the blood?

  51. bettykath,
    I am only guessing, but I think they had already put tourniquets on to slow or stop the bleeding.

  52. So, we have to kill the constitution to save it? Bloomberg is behaving like a psychotic parent in a custody dispute who murders his own children to “save” them. It’s easy for him to say we have to get used to our rights being curtailed because HIS rights will not be affected one iota. He has 26 billion dollars.

  53. Another indication that government-sponsored terrorism is having the desired effect.

    Do people here really think that Bloomberg didn’t know that many Obama and HRC supporters would yell at him for his devotion to the police state?

  54. SWM, The FLOTUS/Russian oligarch connection is well established…old news woman!! But, did you know she is a member of the Gangster Disciples, that’s not been reported but well known in gang circles.

    Oky1, We kid because we love. When I would do late night surveillance and there was nothing on the radio I would listen to Art Bell. I enjoy the conspiracy stuff but on a different level, that’s all. As I’ve said several times here, I like people who are different. I may not agree w/ them, I may bust there balls, but I like you folks. No bullshit.

  55. nick, I guess she is too young for the Black P Stone Nation. I don’t even know if they are still around.

  56. Bloomberg is just the poster child for the rest of the fools and criminal officials running this country; fed, state, and locally. Thanks to the news media for the constant drumbeat to follow the leader, never question the official story, or prepare to be bullied and reviled. Unbelievable.

  57. Joy – telling it like it is!

    Both tsarnaevs were photographed leaving the marathon WITH their backpacks STILL on their backs, so they didn’t plant anything.

  58. bettykath: “1, April 24, 2013 at 10:40 am
    With CISPA, surveillance cameras and the drones of all sizes, we no longer have privacy. The government is already positioned to totally quash any revolution. It has the means to legally monitor all communications and the fire power to wipe us all out.”….

    As otheres above have said, Bloomberg is a power-hungry *fill in the blank* and always has been. New York has its own army (for all intents and purposes) and they are an an international player on the ‘terror’ front. Bloomberg seems to think he is is the leader of a country, not a city:

  59. d.smith said: On a relatively clean amputation, the arteries close due to lower pressure.

    Are you trying to get people to think that that double amputee who lost his legs in Afghanistan, DIDN’T – and actually lost them in Boston, and that what
    the MSM claimed happened in Boston was a “relatively clean amputation”?

    You must drink their kool aid with every meal.

  60. Bloomberg ” “Look, we live in a very dangerous world. We know there are people who want to take away our freedoms.”

    What a Mt. Everest pile of Crap. There are people out there that want to kill people of differing beliefs. These people are called “Wack Jobs”

    You Mr. Bloomberg want to take away our freedoms.

  61. Actually bill I was answering a question posed by Bettykath regarding closing of arteries after an amputation. If an artery is severed perpendicularily, it often will close up due to the drop in blood pressure. If the wound is along the length of the artery it tends to beed out more. But, someone with more medical training really needs to comment on this, I am just going by what I have seen and what my training has been.
    Nothing more than that.

    If you wish to bring in other theories of yours that is your choice.

    But, if your theory is that this man lost his legs in Afghanistan then somehow managed to find his way to the Boston Marathon with two bloody stumps in time to make a main stream media photo-op, well it might be rather difficult for you to prove to anyone else.

    As far as Kool Aid goes, no I usually drink pop, milk, or water with most every meal. Oh, you were referring to the incident at Jonestown Guyana, that was actually Flavr-Aid. My family usually fed me Tang back then, since it tasted better as far as my childhood memories serve me.

  62. D. Smith,

    LMAO…LMAO..Great comeback!!

    At 12:01 AM Thursday morning, April 25th 2013, the moon will be officially full. Any astrologist want to dare comment on the effects of the full moon on the human anatomy & physiology? Or can we just wait and see how some of our bloggers react with certain articles or interact with each other about a certain topic or off topic remark? LOL….

  63. Larry:
    :) yes you are right. I guess my family was influenced by the commercials where astronauts who went to the moon used Tang. But according to some that moon thing never happened. So I suppose we were deceived, you know the moon landing was just part of a gov’t plot to sell more Tang.

  64. I was talking with one of the psychiatrists at the nurses station late one evening. She leaned over the desk, putting her head in her hands, commenting that she was really tired, telling me how many new admissions she had in just a few hours that evening. She said, “I don’t know what is going on. They seem to be coming out of the woodwork.”

    I managed to ask her with a straight face, “Have you been outside this evening?”

    She looked puzzled for a moment, then said, “Oh no. It’s not…please tell me its not…”

    I replied, “Yup. Full moon tonight.” That explained everything.

  65. OS,


    To truly understand what effects the full moon has on the human anatomy & physiology, check this article out (It’ll blow your mind for all of non-believers of moon phases and the human body. Women, you should be familiar with this info):

    “Although the connection between the moon and our bodies is not fully understood, the fact remains that we are affected by the moon’s phases. Most notably, our moods and emotions tend to peak when the moon is full. This is backed up by the fact that doctors and nurses who work in emergency rooms have said over and over again that their busiest night of the month always occurs when the moon is full. Women, however, have long held a connection with the moon.”

    “Charting your menstrual period according to the moon is one of the oldest forms of menstrual calendars. In fact, it is believed that the first calendars were based upon women’s charts of their menstrual cycles and the moon cycles.”

    “Many women have chosen to return to the lunar calendar in order to chart their periods while many others use a lunar calendar to compliment the more conventional type of menstrual chart. They also find it beneficial to use the moon as their guide to their periods because it provides them with a visual reference as to what stage of their cycle they are in.”

  66. RWL: “In fact, it is believed that the first calendars were based upon women’s charts of their menstrual cycles and the moon cycles.”

    I don’t know who believes that; and I think it is a specious claim in light of what we do know about how primitive tribes have kept time, and the archaeological records we can find of keeping time.

    In the earliest artifacts of pre-history people are already astonishingly adept at keeping time; in Egypt, Stonehenge, South America, and many European and Middle East sites we find sophisticated astronomical observatories and calendars carved and built of stone by people’s unknown.

    The Mayans, for example, accurately predict the 25,800 year precession cycle of our North pole. Do we know what motivated the FIRST calendars developed by the Mayans? No, but like Egypt, they were an intensely agricultural people and it was probably motivated by the desire to predict seasonal variations in rainfall, temperature, pests and other crop predators, etc.

    The same goes for European, Indian, and Chinese calendars. Anybody watching a special on the astronomical observatory Stonehenge could see that; it is capable of predicting all sorts of celestial phenomenon, including solstices.

    Although it is possible the first calendars were lunar alone, the very earliest calendars we have evidence for were verbal stories associated with Constellations; these were used to remember particular times of the year depending upon how people made their living, some of these stories relate to important points about agricultural (time to plant certain things, harvest, rains are coming), animal husbandry (time to mate, birth, slaughter, or cull yearlings), or nomadic hunting or fishing (relating to seasonal animal migrations, availability of game, building shelters for winter, etc). The “Ram” for example marks the beginning of Spring and is was (pre-Greek mythology) called the Lamb because of something to do with the timing of sheep husbandry. Aquarius the Water Bearer is the sign of floods coming; in Babylonian and Egyptian mythology (although called by different names). Pisces may be predictive of a heavy fish migration for an Asian seafaring people.

    The earliest known calendars are already very sophisticated and far, far beyond lunar or “menstrual.” IMO any claims about the purpose of the “first” calendars is unfounded speculation, there is no way to know what motivated them.

  67. Tony c it was never their intention to confiscate the guns or even have them registered the plan is to push until we begin to fight back and salsa we 3 they don’t want to be seen as just starting a war against us for no reason they know the people are beginning to see past and thru their lies and they are planning to keep pushing until the anger explodes…
    I also find it amusing t hat our youth can join the military at the ripe age of 17 yet can’t smoke nor drink till their 21 they aren’t old enough to make their own decisions but are old enough to kill for rights and freedoms they themselves don’t have…

  68. Robinh: That would be a ridiculous plan for people that are reasonably smart.

    The reasonable plan, for our corporate overlords, is to return us to the policies circa 1900 or so, with a bit of the 1950’s thrown in. When corporations could endanger workers, fire them without cause, blackmail them with impunity, sexually harass the women, and discriminate by race, religion, age, gender, or disability, all in the name of “the free market,” by which they mean they are free to do as they please, and anybody without money is a slave.

    This is pretty much the case in their haven countries like China, India, Pakistan and many others in Asia and Africa.

    Why would they want a war? They do not care if the workers shoot each other, they will be safe behind their bullet-proof castles or in their foreign resorts where only the rich are permitted entry.

  69. RobinH,

    I took care of that for you. It was probably an error with autocomplete that filled in the wrong information in the first place. To quote a wise man, “To err is human, to really screw something up you need a computer.” :D

  70. Tony,

    From what I’ve read, the majority of primitive calendar systems were indeed related to food production although a significant number of them were also used for religious purposes and denote times of astrological significance for celebrations/sacrifices like equinoxes, solstices. Lunar calendars fell out of favor generally because they only approximate the solar calendar (and ergo only approximate the harvest cycles) and require constant adjustments or waiting 33 years until the lunar and solar calendars realign naturally. Most cultures eventually moved to solar calendars although it is worthy of note that the “official” calendar of Islam (and Saudi Arabia) is a lunar calendar – the Hijri Qamari.

  71. Mayor Bloomberg is right. His warning that “our laws and our interpretation of the Constitution” will have to change”, highlight a deep flaw in the document. Since the Constitution, itself, doesn’t have to change, we should consider repealing Article V as being unnecessary and only an obstacle to change, progress, and greater security. Then again, why go to the trouble of actually repealing it when we can just have our justices merely interpret that it has already, in effect, been repealed.

  72. The amendment process found in Art. V was made difficult on purpose to protect the core of the Constitution from politically transitory whimsy creating instability and bad results. Even then, some really bad ideas modifying the Constitution still managed to get through. The 18th Amendment anyone?

    Do we need some amendments to the Constitution to adjust for changes in society? Why yes we do. Namely we need on overturning the ridiculous and manifestly bad reasoning in Citizens United and narrowly defining personality as it should rightfully apply to natural beings versus how it should rightfully apply to legal fictions and limiting the influence of legal fictions over our electoral and legislative processes. But repealing (or even relaxing) Art. V is a pathway to madness and the eventual total destruction of the Constitution.

  73. Thank You Mr Gene @Tony your exactly right one of their main sayings is “out of chaos comes order” they know we aren’t going to allow that without a fight!!!!!!!!according to them we are to dumb to live our lives the way we see fit. Not to mention to them we are born to serve them. Every war fought was not to maintain our rights and freedoms it was either to keep us distracted while they steal money,natural resources, or because that country refused to do as told. It is one of the main reasons we are hated. I personally abhor the fact that we lost millions of good people fighting wars based on lies about rights and freedoms they don’t have. for many years they hid behind lies now they don’t they assume we are beaten and have no will or means to resist. I especially hate how they twisted nd changed laws to benefit them and disposes of anyone who dares fight back. Our kids go into the military thinking they are fighting for their country, to protect society they get maimed,mentally and emotionally destroyed and if they make it home it’s thank you have a nice life. They use our taxes to support their lifestyles. We pay cops salaries thru taxes why must we also pay for lawsuits bought on by dirty cops when we Rent involved in the hiring process? And we Damon sure aren’t involved in their crimes? How is a country so broke they are shutting down much needed programs and services yet there’s billions to buy specialized military weapons? If we’re so broke how is it they are getting richer while the working poor and middle class are barely getting by?

    They have made it so we literally pay them to work ex. Taxes. You work your ads off to buy a house finally get it paid off and now your ready to remodel it and have to ask them for permission via permits and if they don’t like your ideas tell you no and you have to pay them for the permits. It’s the same scam with insurance companies. Or they take your home or business they eminent domain. They know the p people are getting tired.

    Just the other day I asked what happened to the days when you had4-5 politicised running for office now you get 2and both of them ‘re rich and owned by those richer then them

    Sorry for going on so I tend to get a riled up when talking about the corporation formerly known s the gov erment

  74. Bloomberg would have been prosecuted as a human rights criminal at the Nuremberg Trials had he been a Kraut mayor of say Berlin.

  75. He bulldozed the Occupy site, and said something like “no right is absolute”. That was enough legal analysis for him.

  76. itchinBayDog,

    It’s still early in the decade for American hating trash like Bloombergs/Bushs/Clinton/Obama types & Nuremberg Trials.

    We’ll soon see if there are enough true Americans left to stand up against the Fascist Aholes.

  77. Governments worship order. The wealthy worship security. Fascism happily satisfy both needs at the expense of those who possess neither power nor wealth. Whether he admits it or not, Mr. Bloomberg is sliding in that direction.

  78. Gosh, Gene. I hope you didn’t miss my satirical intent re Article V. And yes, the amendment process may seem difficult. Of course, interestingly, the last two represent the extremes, with the 26th being ratified in a little over 3 months, and the 27th being ratified in a little over 200 years.

    So let me restate my point. Whether or not the amendment process may be difficult, it remains the only legitimate method to change the Constitution, since any attempt by the Executive to proclaim a change by fiat, or by Congress to legislate a change, or by the Judiciary to adjudicate a change is not only unconstitutional, but leads to a logical contradiction with respect to the existence of Article V.

  79. Thursday, Apr 25, 2013 08:00 PM EDT

    Americans should expect acts of terror

    Tom Brokaw was right: Our violent attacks abroad increase the chance of retributive attacks at home

    By David Sirota

    “The stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.” — Reverend Jeremiah Wright

    In 2008, the hysterical backlash to the above comment by Barack Obama’s minister became a high-profile example of one of the most insidious rules in American politics: You are not allowed to honestly discuss the Central Intelligence Agency’s concept of “blowback” without putting yourself at risk of being deemed a traitor to country.

    Now, five years later, with America having killed thousands of Muslim civilians in its drone strikes and wars, that rule is thankfully being challenged, and not by someone who is so easily smeared. Instead, the apostate is one of this epoch’s most revered journalists, and because of that, we will see whether this country is mature enough to face one of its biggest national security quandaries.

    This is the news from Tom Brokaw’s appearance on “Meet the Press” last Sunday. Discussing revelations that the bombing suspects may be connected to Muslim fundamentalism, he said:

    “We have got to look at the roots of all of this because it exists across the whole (Asian) subcontinent and the Islamic world around the world. I think we also have to examine (America’s) use of drones (because) there are a lot of civilians who are innocently killed in a drone attack in Pakistan, in Afghanistan and in Iraq. And I can tell you having spent a lot of time over there, young people will come up to me on the streets and say, ‘We love America, but if you harm one hair on the head of my sister, I will fight you forever.’ And there is this enormous rage against what they see in that part of the world as a presumptuousness of the United States.”

    As one of the establishment’s most venerated voices, Brokaw is not prone to radical statements. But in a nation that often avoids acknowledging its own role in intensifying cycles of violence, it is unfortunately considered radical to do what the NBC News veteran did and mention that our violent attacks abroad increase the chance of retributive attacks at home.

    Of course, Brokaw was merely stating the obvious: With America having killed thousands of civilians in its wars, we should be appalled by acts of terrorism — but we shouldn’t be surprised by them. We should know that violence will inevitably come from those like the Boston bombing suspect who, according to the Washington Post, “told interrogators that the American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan motivated him and his brother to carry out the attack.”

    Noting this is not to argue that such attacks are justified or that we deserve them. It is only to reiterate what Brokaw alluded to: Namely, that blowback should be expected in this age of Permanent War and that one way to potentially avert such blowback in the future is to try to deescalate the cycle of violence.

    To be sure, from the Rev. Wright to Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul, many have made these points before. But they have typically been ignored or lambasted for uttering the truth. Brokaw, though, can’t be so readily dismissed. He is a Walter Cronkite of his age, and, indeed, his declaration recalls Cronkite’s seminal moment 45 years ago.

    Back in 1968, opponents of the Vietnam War were being marginalized in much the same way critics of today’s wars now are. But when such a revered voice as Cronkite took to television to declare the conflict an unwinnable “stalemate,” he helped create a tipping point whereby Americans began to reconsider their assumptions.

    In similarly making such an assumption-challenging statement, Brokaw has followed in Cronkite’s heroic footsteps. The only question is: Will America finally listen?

    David Sirota is a nationally syndicated newspaper columnist, magazine journalist and the best-selling author of the books “Hostile Takeover,” “The Uprising” and “Back to Our Future.

  80. RobinH: To sort through your rant…

    RH says: Every war fought was not to maintain our rights and freedoms…

    No. The Revolutionary War, the Civil War, and World War II were truly fought on behalf of freedom and rights. For ourselves, for slaves, and for the world, respectively; if Hitler had not been opposed by the USA I believe he would, in his lifetime, ruled the world. Including the USA. We would not have beat Hitler without the Allies; those Allies and all their resources would have been absorbed into his armies by the time he massed his forces on our Northern and Southern borders.

    RH says: why must we also pay for lawsuits [brought] on by dirty cops

    They aren’t guilty of anything until they are proven guilty. If taxes did not defend cops, then we would have no cops, even those that serve out of a sense of public service would refrain if it meant they were on their own, and their own pittance of a salary, when some criminal decided to sue.

    Taxes must also pay the damages of successful lawsuits; these “dirty cops” are our employees, like it or not; so are the people that hired them, all the way up to the mayor or Congress. We live by majority rule, and we hire executives to handle the public business by vote. We WERE involved in the hiring, to the only extent that such involvement is feasible. In my community the police chief is elected. Nobody would run if they were going to be held personally liable for every bad decision or unexpected outcome of their management. I have managed a division of a large company, such things are unavoidable, and the best one can hope for is to make predominately good decisions. That is just real life, the level of personal control you are implicitly demanding is just not feasible, perhaps you fail to realize that hundreds or even thousands of ‘important’ decisions must be made daily to run even a large city, and you don’t have time to be informed and involved in that many decisions.

    RH asks: If we’re so broke how is it they are getting richer while the working poor and middle class are barely getting by?

    Slavery is profitable, they get rich the way all people get rich: Buy low, sell high. The less they pay us (that is buying low), the more profit they make.

    Plantation owners in the Slave South bought their labor for a few cents an hour, and sold the production of that labor for several times the cost of it.

    In modern times the same formula holds. The less they pay us (and less they need us, due to robotics or cheaper overseas labor) the richer they get.

    RH says: and have to ask them for permission via permits and if they don’t like your ideas tell you no and you have to pay them for the permits.

    Most remodeling does not require a permit, and if they deny you a permit I certainly don’t think you have to pay for it.

    There is a very good reason for permits; I have on my office bookshelf the latest ICC International Building Code. Permits prevent you from inadvertently (or intentionally by taking cost-saving shortcuts) endangering others by building a structure which will collapse (say due to high wind or heavy snow or precipitation loading), or trap and kill people if there is a fire. They also prevent you from reducing the property value of neighbors by building, say, a factory in a residential neighborhood, or a store on a road never designed to handle commercial traffic, or by creating an unsightly device (like a wind turbine) that might reduce the resale value of their homes, or a shooting range that endangers them.

    As they say, your right to swing your fist ends at my nose (actually well before my nose, but you get the idea). The same applies to your right to build on your own property; you are not the only one affected by the build. Not only your neighbors, but anybody that will ever be in the structure you build has a stake in what you build; and in fact their “stake” may be their life. You should NOT be allowed to cut corners and save money or “take your chances” at the expense of somebody else’s safety or finances.

    We are in this world together; we should all have the right to navigate a path we find personally valuable, and we should all have the responsibility to accomplish that without doing it at the expense of others, and we should all bear the responsibility of preventing others from shirking that responsibility. Permits, licenses, inspections, laws and the taxes needed to enforce them are all there to prevent shirkers and free riders. As flawed as all that may be, they are nonetheless necessities, and nobody has ever found a way to make people act responsibly without them. In particular, wishing they would or saying they should just does not work.

  81. “Bloomberg: New Yorkers will ‘never know where our cameras are'”

    Published time: April 26, 2013 22:49

    “New York City police officials intend to expand the already extensive use of surveillance cameras throughout town. The plan, unveiled Thursday, comes as part of a drive for increased security around the US following the Boston Marathon attack.

    New York City Police Department Commissioner Ray Kelly announced the plan during a press conference with Mayor Michael Bloomberg, in which the two announced that the suspected Boston Marathon bombers were planning to attack New York next. The pair said they hope to discourage criminals by using so-called “smart cameras” that will aggregate data from 911 alerts, arrest records, mapped crime patterns, surveillance cameras and radiation detectors, among other tools, according to The Verge.

    “You’re never going to know where all of our cameras are,” Bloomberg told reporters gathered outside City Hall. “And that’s one of the ways you deter people; they just don’t know whether the person sitting next to you is somebody sitting there or a detective watching.”

    Kelly said the Domain Awareness System, nicknamed “the dashboard,” would centralize already existing data captured on the between 3,500 and 6,000 cameras already placed throughout the city with new technology developed in conjunction with Microsoft. The project is expected to take three years to complete and cost between $40 and $50 million.

    The commissioner previously said that at least 16 terror plots had been thwarted in New York City since the attack on September 11, 2001, asserting that such law enforcement success show that the surveillance tools put in place since then have been effective. His boast came in the face of the New York Civil Liberties Union and similar privacy advocates who have asked for more transparency on the issue of police monitoring.

    “The privacy issue has really been taken off the table,” Kelly said Thursday. “I don’t think people are concerned about it. I think people accept it in a post-9/11 world.”

    Mayor Bloomberg agreed, using the press conference to slam the “special interests” who have objected to his policies. The American Civil Liberties Union, for one, has criticized Bloomberg’s administration for installing thousands of cameras in Lower Manhattan in a surveillance initiative that has since expanded north through Midtown.

    “The role of surveillance cameras played in identifying the suspects was absolutely essential to saving lives, both in Boston, and now we know here in New York City,” the mayor said Thursday. “We’ve made major investments in camera technology – notwithstanding the objections of some special interests.”

    “People are all worried about privacy,” he continued. “Yes, it is a concern, but given the balance you have between keeping people safe and total privacy, the direction the whole world is going is more cameras and better-quality cameras.””

  82. And that’s one of the ways you deter people; they just don’t know whether the person sitting next to you is somebody sitting there or a detective watching.”
    Right let’s really make everyone paranoid, afraid of the person sitting next to them. That will help a city get together to help one another.
    I am thinking of selling my house and, if any way I can afford it, moving back to NYC. But not with this guy as Mayor.

  83. Editorial

    The Mayor on Stop-and-Frisk

    Published: May 3, 2013

    Mayor Michael Bloomberg trotted out shopworn, discredited arguments this week while defending the constitutionally suspect police program under which hundreds of thousands of innocent New Yorkers have been detained and questioned on the streets every year. His speech, at 1 Police Plaza, castigated civil rights lawyers who oppose what they say is the practice of stopping people based on race instead of reasonable suspicion; Democratic mayoral candidates who want to rein in the stop-and-frisk program; and the City Council, which is considering a perfectly reasonable bill that would create the position of Police Department inspector general, with broad powers to review department policies.

    Mr. Bloomberg denied that police officers stop people based on race, adding that members of minority groups were more likely to be stopped because minorities committed most of the crimes. But court documents in the three federal lawsuits that are moving through the judicial system tell another story entirely.

    The data in the case of Floyd v. City of New York, a class action being heard in federal court in Manhattan, show that in tens of thousands of cases, officers reported stopping people based on “furtive movement,” a meaningless term that cannot be legally used to justify a stop. Officers also reported that they had made stops in “high crime areas,” when, in fact, some of those areas were not. In many cases, officers said that they had stopped people based on a “suspicious bulge” — suggesting a gun — in their clothing. Yet, according to court documents, officers found only one gun for every 69 stops in which they cited a “bulge.” And guns were seized in only 0.15 percent of all stops.

    In addition, only 5.4 percent of all stops resulted in an arrest, and about 6 percent led to a summons. This means that in nearly 90 percent of cases, the citizens who were stopped were doing nothing illegal. In some cases, prosecutors declined to automatically prosecute arrests made in connection with the program because they knew that the stops were illegal.

    Mr. Bloomberg’s suggestion that the program has been responsible for historic drops in crime is also implausible. Crime has declined all over the country, including in places that have not used New York’s aggressively invasive techniques. Besides, if crime rates and street stops had a strong correlation, the murder rate would have gone up in 2012, when stops declined by about 20 percent. In fact, the murder rate fell in 2012 to an all-time low.

    Mr. Bloomberg’s implication that the program’s critics are more interested in vexing City Hall than in keeping the streets clear of murderers was especially reprehensible. No one is opposed to using effective, constitutional means of fighting crime. The problem is that over the last decade the Police Department has shown utter contempt for Fourth Amendment guarantees of freedom from unreasonable search and seizure. And worse, these tactics have been used largely against young black and Hispanic men.

    Mr. Bloomberg may never change his views. But his stubborn refusal to see the program’s dangers has not stopped three civil rights lawsuits from going forward in federal court and the City Council from trying to curb the use of tactics that have alienated minority communities from the police and made law-abiding citizens feel like criminals in their own neighborhoods.

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