Somethings Don’t Stay In Vegas . . . Like Mentally Ill People

69-D-GRAY__400X400It appears that some things or some people don’t stay in Vegas. San Francisco’s City Attorney Dennis Herrera is investigating accounts of an illegally busing hundreds of psychiatric patients to California and other states with one-way bus tickets and no food or medication. This “patient dumping” involves the Rawson Neal Psychiatric Hospital in Las Vegas.


The state-run facility has reportedly discharged some 1,500 patients with one-way Greyhound bus tickets to out-of-state destinations. If true, the practice would violated both legal and professional standards of due care. Federal violations alone could jeopardize Medicare funding and other federal support.

The practice could also be the basis for negligence actions by patients injured after being allegedly dumped across state lines.

Source: Yahoo

26 thoughts on “Somethings Don’t Stay In Vegas . . . Like Mentally Ill People

  1. Wow. Not enough guts to fire up the ovens to rid yourself of the mentally ill, Nevada? And what raff said.

  2. Nothing learned from the de-instutionalization (sp) of mental health patients during the mid 1980’s. Oh, it was cost and convenience here in NV. I guess patient well being is irrelevant.

    I wonder if NV has a similar law to this:

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=74.34.200

    RCW 74.34.200
    Abandonment, abuse, financial exploitation, or neglect of a vulnerable adult — Cause of action for damages — Legislative intent.

    (1) In addition to other remedies available under the law, a vulnerable adult who has been subjected to abandonment, abuse, financial exploitation, or neglect either while residing in a facility or in the case of a person residing at home who receives care from a home health, hospice, or home care agency, or an individual provider, shall have a cause of action for damages on account of his or her injuries, pain and suffering, and loss of property sustained thereby. This action shall be available where the defendant is or was a corporation, trust, unincorporated association, partnership, administrator, employee, agent, officer, partner, or director of a facility, or of a home health, hospice, or home care agency licensed or required to be licensed under chapter 70.127 RCW, as now or subsequently designated, or an individual provider.

    There can also be criminal penalties in some cases.

  3. “Nothing learned from the de-instutionalization (sp) of mental health patients during the mid 1980′s.”

    You’re right, Darren — nothing at all was learned; but really what can be learned from Reagan’s assault on the DOE and DOH in the ’80’s?

    A lot, actually, from a cultural perspective.

    I’ve lived in this article’s referenced “dumping ground” of out-of-sight, out-of-mind location for seven years, and on the periphery for thirty.

    In this time I’ve invited many of the “less fortunate” to stay with me and my wife for a time — mainly because I saw them everyday in my neighborhood and so knew them from this casual perspective.

    I’ve invited them into my home, offered them food, let them wash their clothes and body, sleep in a bed for a few days, and hope they do well when they leave.

    This generosity ended in 2008 due to myself and my wife’s inability to sustain it — as meager as it was.

    What the f**k is with a country that can sustain defense spending that far outstrips the rest of the world and yet have so little compassion for the cultural and economic fallout from this economic and political decision?

    Why is the “defense” budget never “on the table?”

    Should we all, like Bron, blame it on our ideological shortcomings, ignoring the fact that we have been a warmongering state since inception, and most definitely post WWII?

    I have no idea how to right the ship of our supposed democracy, which is precariously listing. The civil options seem few.

  4. Florida did this sort of thing years ago and went so far as to provide transportation out of the state for people on welfare or homeless. This is the country these “small government conservatives” want. They will do nothing to fix a problem, nothing to help their fellow humans, they will do nothing except try and dump problems on someone else somewhere else.

    On a micro scale like this it “works” for these sociopaths but the cost on a macro level becomes greater to say nothing of the very real damage they do to the individuals involved.

  5. I will start with the weasel words of “I have no hard (or even soft) evidence” but I have it from a good witness that in the 80s and probably before, communities in Virginia would put “undesireables” on the bus to the tidewater area (Norfolk, Virginia Beach).

    “Nothing learned from the de-instutionalization (sp) of mental health patients during the mid 1980′s.”

    In grad school one of my profs told me he had served on a commission that recommended this program before 1980. He admitted that they had not understood the extent of the problem communities (and families) would have with these individuals.

  6. These sound like actionable pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 10801 et. seq. because § 10807(b) allows actions immediately in dangerous circumstances.

    That would seem to include injunctive relief.

    JT mentioned “The state-run facility” …

    If government actors are involved, i.e., the abuse is done under color of state law, then other federal statutes such as 42 U.S.C. § 1983 and 42 U.S.C. § 1988 may lend a hand.

  7. gbk, your a good person. Yes indeed, why can this country spend trillions $ on offense but complain about food stamps and care for the most under privileged among us? I remember when they made a big deal about cutting the WIC program, they were so proud of themselves because they saved a few million $. Yes indeed save a few million and throw out single mothers with few options to support themselves and a baby (or two), then be clueless when when the women gets back with a man that abused them. What is wrong with us that we put such idiots into government positions?

  8. “What is wrong with us that we put such idiots into government positions?”

    It starts with a distorted, broken and corrupted electoral process. That’s the taproot. From that point though there are many contributing causal factors. These is no single cause, but all of the relevant causation revolves around the axis of how candidates are selected and elected.

  9. Well, I thought I’ve seen it all! This is similar to what is done to orphans: In STL, immediately after they complete or drop out of high school, orphans are sent to the nearest shelter, given a food & cash (public assistance) card, a monthly bus pass, and an exit package (includes clothes, food, basic necessities, etc.)

    Instead of singing ‘America the Beautiful’ by Ray Charles, can I play the following:

  10. NIMBY….

    Hey pete…send em to DC….Then you have a distinction without a difference…. or is that a difference without a distinction….

  11. They are probably better off than being locked up in a mental prison. It is true that they could starve, freeze in California and be neglected on the streets. But on the streets there are strangers who would help, In the mental prison there are guards, wardens, one doctor, and a wall around them so that the strangers can not come to their aid. A mental hospital/prison is hell on earth. Somebody did these folks a favor. Its a ticket to ride.

  12. gbk wrote: “What the f**k is with a country that can sustain defense spending that far outstrips the rest of the world and yet have so little compassion for the cultural and economic fallout from this economic and political decision?

    Why is the “defense” budget never “on the table?”

    Should we all, like Bron, blame it on our ideological shortcomings, ignoring the fact that we have been a warmongering state since inception, and most definitely post WWII?”

    All good questions, IMO.

    gbk continued: “I have no idea how to right the ship of our supposed democracy, which is precariously listing.”

    Nor do I, gbk. (Well said.)

    It will take a major crisis (and, possibly, more than one), I’m afraid, and even then… (In general, we’re a crisis-oriented bunch and we’ll need a virtual tsunami, apparently, to lull us out of our collective stupor.)

  13. “In fact, it is Nerios’s job to enroll at least 150 seniors for food stamps each month…” -from the following link

    “In Florida, a food-stamp recruiter deals with wrenching choices”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-florida-a-food-stamp-recruiter-deals-with-wrenching-choices/2013/04/23/b3d6b41c-a3a4-11e2-9c03-6952ff305f35_story.html

    Excerpt:

    In fact, it is Nerios’s job to enroll at least 150 seniors for food stamps each month, a quota she usually exceeds. Alleviate hunger, lessen poverty: These are the primary goals of her work. But the job also has a second and more controversial purpose for cash-strapped Florida, where increasing food-stamp enrollment has become a means of economic growth, bringing almost $6 billion each year into the state. The money helps to sustain communities, grocery stores and food producers. It also adds to rising federal entitlement spending and the U.S. debt.

  14. RWL, My minister knows Rev Wright and said he did not say what the repubs accused him of saying. I had not heard the whole thing. Thank you for posting it, all those people, esp ‘christians’ who excoriated Wright for his remarks need to really listen to what he said.

  15. The title of The Audacity of Hope was derived from a sermon delivered by Obama’s former pastor, Jeremiah Wright. Wright had attended a lecture by Dr. Frederick G. Sampson in Richmond, Virginia, in the late 1980s, on the G. F. Watts painting Hope, which inspired him to give a sermon in 1990 based on the subject of the painting – “with her clothes in rags, her body scarred and bruised and bleeding, her harp all but destroyed and with only one string left, she had the audacity to make music and praise God … To take the one string you have left and to have the audacity to hope… that’s the real word God will have us hear from this passage and from Watt’s painting.

    Wrights name has been turned to mud. Wrights words have been neglected. Fox news has been destroying this man for 5 years.
    Fox news has been promoting Ted Nugent for years.
    Fair and balanced ? Methinks not.

  16. A mental patient stashed away in some so called mental hospital is a human being who has been tarnished with a harsh level of nomenclature from the DSM IV, soon to be the DSM V, by some jack leg doctor. Any one who has been so detained is much better off on the streets living out of a trash can and sleeping on a doormat than being subjected to the vile drugs and shock treatments, lobotomies or other so called “treatments” forced upon them in the so called hospitals.
    What happened here is the state got a load of people out of the hair of the locals. We know that they were stashed in the hospital to begin with to get them out of society’s hair. The humans are better off with a new life in California and Nevada is happy to be rid of them. California can adapt.
    Mental illness is in the eye of the beholder and sometimes the beholder is a devil incarnate.

  17. Google: George Taylor, Fulton State Hospital. Read the story in several newspapers. This guy went in as a 7 year old kid and was released some 25 years later. He had no mental retardation or mental illness. He was a problem child who got shunted off to The Biggs Unit. That was a maximum security mental facility. There are many Georges out there. Please look his story up on Google. De institutionalization of the 80’s was a very good thing. Any schmuck who thinks that what prevailed before was better are uninformed and perhaps Bloombergers.

  18. I’ve heard, many years ago, of county welfare offices buying tickets to another state for indigent people. This is even more egregious. I am truly appalled and not at all surprised, unfortunately.

    Kate

  19. The feds have noticed:

    The federal agency that oversees Medicaid and Medicare compliance has put Nevada on notice of “serious deficiencies” at a Las Vegas psychiatric hospital following reports of patients being improperly discharged.

    A letter Thursday from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, first reported by The Sacramento Bee and obtained Friday by The Associated Press, gave Nevada 10 days to correct problems in its mental health discharge policies at Rawson-Neal Psychiatric Hospital or risk the loss of federal funding, potentially tens of millions of dollars.

    The move follows an investigation launched by the Bee after James F. Brown, a patient at Rawson-Neal, was put on a bus alone in February and sent on a 15-hour trip to Sacramento, Calif., where he knew no one. Brown suffers from schizophrenia and depression.

    (HuffPo).

  20. Wow! I don’t know why but I would think that Vegas has a much higher percent of patients in need of psychiatric care. Depression, addictions, anxiety, etc… I didn’t read the other comments but it seems like a ripe place for opening more psychiatric facilities. I guess many of the patients don’t have money or insurance for long term care? What a mess.

  21. Messed Up. They Honestly Need To Realize People With Mental Illnesd Have Brain Disorders. Wow Your Brain ControLs Every Part Of Your Body. They Are Sick . You Don’t Treat sIck People Like That My Grandma Has ALztimer. Would You WantYour Grandmother Treated Like That????? Sick Fukkers . I Have Adhd And Honestly Nobody UnderstaDs How You Feel Like Ur Running A Million Miles An Hour And Then They PUt My Sister In Jail For Smoking Weed WHen She Has Adhd But The Shit They Have Me On AdderAll Is Legal. Both Meds Need To Be Legalized For AdhD. Legalize Marijuana It Honestly Helps Us The Ritilan Fukkin MakeD You Shake And It Sux. Then Its So Hard To Get My Med I Get Like 5 People Looking At Me Like Im A Damn Criminal Whe Without Med My Life Is Living Hell In MY Body ShaMe On Them
    God Bless ThE People With Brain Disorders And Stop Discriminating Against Us
    Peace And Love
    mAy God Bless you

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