Kerry: Free War!!!

220px-John_Kerry_official_Secretary_of_State_portrait187px-Vince_Offer_at_Rosebowl_FleamarketThis week Secretary of State John Kerry became the Sham-Wow man for the latest war by the United States. Here is how a Sham-War pitch works. Kerry announced that the Arab countries will pay for our entire war if we invade Syria. That’s right, we can simply rent out U.S. personnel like mercenaries for Saudi Arabia and Gulf nations. First we have Nancy Pelosi explaining the war literally in five-year-old terms and now John Kerry doing his imitation of Offer “Vince” Shlomi.

Kerry told Congress that “With respect to Arab countries offering to bear costs and to assess, the answer is profoundly yes. . . . They have. That offer is on the table.” When Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) pressed on how much we could get from the countries, Kerry said it was an absolute bargain: “In fact, some of them have said that if the United States is prepared to go do the whole thing the way we’ve done it previously in other places, they’ll carry that cost . . . That’s how dedicated they are at this. That’s not in the cards, and nobody’s talking about it, but they’re talking in serious ways about getting this done.”

Note the reference to “go do the whole thing the way we’ve done it previously in other places.” That is the new way to refer to an invasion as in Iraq and Afghanistan. The clear suggestion is that we might be able to go to war on a Saudi credit card . . . if we act now. Indeed, as Congress contemplates whether it would buy a war for zero down, Kerry could offer to get a second war at the same cost.

What is astonishing is that the offer of a free war was viewed as Kerry as a positive contribution to the pitch for war. Many people have already criticized the United States for engaging in such operations at the behest of either the Saudis or the Israelis at the cost of U.S. lives and treasure. Even Offer “Vince” Shlomi would blush at the pitch of a war that is too good a deal to pass up.

Source: Washington Post

96 thoughts on “Kerry: Free War!!!

  1. It is time for a Revolution.

    “Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.

    In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manners and of morals engendered by both. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.”- James Madison

  2. “The powers granted by the proposed Constitution are the gift of the people, and may be resumed by them when perverted to their oppression, and every power not granted thereby remains with the people.”- James Madison

  3. ““In fact, some of them have said that if the United States is prepared to go do the whole thing the way we’ve done it previously in other places, they’ll carry that cost . . . That’s how dedicated they are at this. That’s not in the cards, and nobody’s talking about it, but they’re talking in serious ways about getting this done.”

    !!! ??? GOBBLETYGOOK, ….I didn’t even google this word in an attempt to spell it correctly. What language is Kerry speaking in the above quote?

  4. So, the Arab League publicly opposes US intervention, but may be willing to pay us off under the table, under the radar of their populations. Sounds wonderful. Just the kind of honorable situation we need to be involved in.

  5. Reblogged this on Semi-Partisan Sam and commented:
    The concept of a “Free War” with the tab picked up by Middle-Eastern “allies” such as Saudi Arabia is never a good idea, as blogger Jonathan Turley eloquently points out. Reading this piece made me think back to Rachel Maddow’s excellent book “Drift”, in which she discusses the various ways that it has become easier for America to slide into wars around the country with less and less political debate or oversight to authorise the action. One of the key points that Maddow makes is the fact that because recent wars have been kept off the books, budget wise, the American public is much more likely to support a war when there will be no additional taxation demanded of them to fund it – thus enabling the warmongers Dick Cheney and George W Bush. Kerry’s attempt to sell military action in Syria based on the nebulous idea that Arab countries might pay part or all of the cost is just a continuation of this same trend – trying to coax people into supporting a heavy-handed, militaristic foreign policy entailing lots of foreign wars with the promise that it will not cost them anything.

  6. This is exactly like Iraq. Kerry and Obama are geniuses. “Ahead of and shortly after the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, a number of officials, including former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz suggested the war could be done on the cheap and that it would largely pay for itself. In October 2003, Rumsfeld told a press conference about President Bush’s request for $21 billion for Iraq and Afghan reconstruction that “the $20 billion the president requested is not intended to cover all of Iraq’s needs. The bulk of the funds for Iraq’s reconstruction will come from Iraqis — from oil revenues, recovered assets, international trade, direct foreign investment, as well as some contributions we’ve already received and hope to receive from the international community.” In March 2003, Mr. Wolfowitz told Congress that “we’re really dealing with a country that could finance its own reconstruction.” In April 2003, the Pentagon said the war would cost about $2 billion a month, and in July of that year Rumsfeld increased that estimate to $4 billion.

  7. Wait, wait…. The hessian are coming, the hessians are coming…. One if by tomahawk…. Two if by standard cruise missiles……

  8. Once again I see that folks are fact and reason free. First off, I guess that according to the opponents of Obama we are at WAR now in Libya and have been losing US lives there for some time and costing billions of dollars. We used air strikes against the government there, so it must be a big WAR. Too bad I missed that cover-up of that news. Then I remember the FACT that the cost of the First Gulf War was 90% paid for by Saudi Arabia, but of course that was a real war and a real coalition. So since Bush II lied, and the US paid 100% of that cost, that means that Obama too is a liar and we will also pay for this 100% and that Kerry too is a liar. I guess that I missed that part of logic in which just because one President lied that means ALL Presidents are liars on all things.

    Could some of Obama’s opponents please use some facts and logic for a change? This is getting tiresome and embarrassing for you.

  9. Jill, you beat me to the Rumsfeld talking points on the cost. He was saying it would be over and done with in 6 months or less too. Wanker. He’s out and about bi**hing that we need to be in Syria yesterday. Right. Where’s he vacationing these days I wonder, if he leaves the country he’s in danger of being taken into custody and sent to Spain as a war criminal as I recall.

    I am slightly confused about the supposed willingness of the Saudi’s willingness to foot the bill, are they not funding the rebels? Last I heard they were. They are though famous for funding extremists so long as the revolutions and unrest are kept out of the Kingdom so both statements could be true.

  10. Elaine, Times do change and our views evolve. But, if you have core values and integrity, they don’t get corrupted.

  11. I guess Jill has forgotten Obama’s war in Libya that cost so many American lives and money. Is that true, or is she delusional? I guess she also thinks that Ghadfi was not an evil man and that Obama was and is FAR more evil and despicable. I guess that only the US is BAD and all others are good, or if not necessarily good, then “victims”.

  12. Basically, what Kerry is proposing is having US forces be the mercenary army of Saudi Arabia and Israel. We will die so they don’t have to. The Syrian people will die. This is what Kerry calls a free war.

    That the administration puts forward such a despicable idea shows who they are at the deepest level. They are truly evil people.

    That the US will gladly take the role of mercenary (read expendable) regarding our forces and weapons is certainly an exposure of their complete insanity and lack of judgment. That they are asking for a war at all, let alone one that has “mysteriously” bloomed like red algae into all out war, shows this was never about helping the Syrian people.

    Obama the emperor is as naked as his aggression.

  13. Pope Francis On Syria: Abandon ‘Futile Pursuit’ Of Military Solution

    VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis urged the Group of 20 leaders on Thursday to abandon the “futile pursuit” of a military solution in Syria as the Vatican laid out its case for a negotiated settlement that guarantees rights for all minorities, including Christians.

    In a letter Thursday to the G-20 host, Russian President Vladimir Putin, Francis lamented that “one-sided interests” had prevailed in Syria, preventing a diplomatic end to the conflict and allowing the continued “senseless massacre” of innocents.

    “To the leaders present, to each and every one, I make a heartfelt appeal for them to help find ways to overcome the conflicting positions and to lay aside the futile pursuit of a military solution,” Francis wrote as the G-20 meeting got under way in St. Petersburg.

    Francis has ratcheted up his call for peace in Syria amid threatened U.S.-led military strikes following an Aug. 21 chemical weapons attack near Damascus.

    He will host a peace vigil in St. Peter’s Square on Saturday, a test of whether his immense popular appeal will translate into popular support for his peace message.

  14. Elaine, thanks for the vid, and his sentiments regarding the parade of fools, er, experts/war criminals is one I feel deeply.

  15. To paraphrase Winston Churchill, “We’ve established what you are, Sec. Kerry. Now we are just haggling over the price.”

  16. Ahh, the coalition of the willing to be funded by Saudi Arabia? Shocking, just shocking! Next we’ll hear that Israel is involved and the end game will be played in Iran.

  17. The pope is against taking military action to prevent or act against war crimes? It seems like nothing has changed in the Vatican since Pius XII who ordered the Center Party to support Hitler in Germany, failed to speak out against the Final Solution when he learned of it, urged Mussolini to order Italian troops to turn over Serbs to the Ustashi for execution, and then after the war set up the Rat line with the CIA to get Nazis out of Europe to avoid war crimes trials. Talk about a corrupt and vicious bunch that makes the US look good.

  18. Join the Tea Party they are serious about a revolution and will act on their beliefs. I hope you like the current Congress since they are the ones who hold the whip hand there now.

  19. Syria will be another success, just like Libya: “As world attention focused on the coup in Egypt and the poison gas attack in Syria over the past two months, Libya has plunged unnoticed into its worst political and economic crisis since the defeat of Gaddafi two years ago. Government authority is disintegrating in all parts of the country putting in doubt claims by American, British and French politicians that Nato’s military action in Libya in 2011 was an outstanding example of a successful foreign military intervention which should be repeated in Syria.

    In an escalating crisis little regarded hitherto outside the oil markets, output of Libya’s prized high-quality crude oil has plunged from 1.4 million barrels a day earlier this year to just 160,000 barrels a day now. Despite threats to use military force to retake the oil ports, the government in Tripoli has been unable to move effectively against striking guards and mutinous military units that are linked to secessionist forces in the east of the country.

    Libyans are increasingly at the mercy of militias which act outside the law. Popular protests against militiamen have been met with gunfire; 31 demonstrators were shot dead and many others wounded as they protested outside the barracks of “the Libyan Shield Brigade” in the eastern capital Benghazi in June.

    Though the Nato intervention against Gaddafi was labeled as a humanitarian response to the threat that Gaddafi’s tanks would slaughter dissidents in Benghazi, the international community has ignored the escalating violence. The foreign media, which once filled the hotels of Benghazi and Tripoli, have likewise paid little attention to the near collapse of the central government.

    The strikers in the eastern region Cyrenaica, which contains most of Libya’s oil, are part of a broader movement seeking more autonomy and blaming the government for spending oil revenues in the west of the country. Foreigners have mostly fled Benghazi since the American ambassador, Chris Stevens, was murdered in the US consulate by jihadi militiamen last September. Violence has worsened since then with Libya’s military prosecutor Colonel Yussef Ali al-Asseifar, in charge of investigating assassinations of politicians, soldiers and journalists, himself assassinated by a bomb in his car on 29 August.

    Rule by local militias is also spreading chaos around the capital. Ethnic Berbers, whose militia led the assault on Tripoli in 2011, temporarily took over the parliament building in Tripoli. The New York-based Human Rights Watch has called for an independent investigation into the violent crushing of a prison mutiny in Tripoli on 26 August in which 500 prisoners had been on hunger strike. The hunger strikers were demanding that they be taken before a prosecutor or formally charged since many had been held without charge for two years.”

  20. Jill, you miss the main point that US air attacks does NOT mean a wider war. Now if you think that Gadhafi was preferable to what is going on now, then you should say so. Now the Libyans can deal with each other to solve their own problems. So please come out and SAY that Assad is better than the alternative and support his use of poison gas. At least have the courage of your convictions and say them outright.

  21. Have we no shame! Are we now going to be the mercenary servants of the Saudis? They have armies, they have weapons and they have MONEY. Let them fight their own wars! John Kerry should be ashamed of himself and so should President Obama. The Saudis must really be laughing their a…… Off at the mercenary Americans and nodding their heads about what a silly little money grubbing people we are as they get into their RRs and motor off to go Solomon fishing. This is their war let them fight it!

  22. Gene H. 1, September 5, 2013 at 10:04 am

    To paraphrase Winston Churchill, “We’ve established what you are, V.P. Kerry. Now we are just haggling over the price.”
    I believe, Gene, that it was G.B. Shaw.

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    Kerry – The man who would be President…
    sic transit gloria mundi ….

  23. Nope. It was Churchill.

    Churchill: “Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?”
    Socialite: “My goodness, Mr. Churchill… Well, I suppose… we would have to discuss terms, of course… ”
    Churchill: “Would you sleep with me for five pounds?”
    Socialite: “Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?!”
    Churchill: “Madam, we’ve already established that. Now we are haggling about the price”

  24. While I agree that we should not attack Syria, at the very least it should be an international force and they should get rid of Assad. It has been a long time since I agreed with any Pope. Well said Pope Francis.

  25. IBS,

    They aren’t leading Obama into war, Obama is doing that himself. They are helping him to have a “mission accomplished” moment but it’s a moment he wants and wants very badly.

    It is necessary to be clear because many Obama believers think Obama isn’t a war monger. Even though Obama has been running around the world threatening other nations if they don’t back us, they will still believe it is not the “real” Obama. After six wars, hundreds of drone strikes, several cluster bombs later, he is still considered a man of peace.

  26. rafflaw,


    What business is of of the US?

    Do you even have an ph’kin clue as to the instability removing Syria current leadership will bring upon the world?

    (ie: phk’in is slang for ” I feel strongly about…” , sorry but I use it like salt & pepper)

    Remember that song: Mind our own biz & I’ll be minding mine?

    If you wish to do something constructive for humanity Email/call people like Mr Kanzius & ask them to give up all the patient rights to the people of the world & release all such tech immediately to the public, youtube, etc…

    To do otherwise & it’s just more energy tech that gets bought by the likes of GE, XOM, BP… & locked away forever in their vaults.

    ** Hydrogen from Salt Water?

    Planet Infowars
    Sept. 3, 2013

    ** ** **

  27. Oky1, it has been known for a long time how to extract hydrogen from water. That is simple chemistry. The problem is 1) making enough of it to be useful. 2) breaking the molecular bond between hydrogen and oxygen in a way that does not violate the First Law of Thermodynamics. Virgina Tech researchers are working on biotechnology, but have some way to go before it is useful as an energy source. This report is from Virgina Tech University last May.

  28. Oky1,
    I will repeat myself as you might have missed it in my comment, I am not in favor of the US going it alone in Syria. However, if it is a true international action in order to end the bloodshed and the killing of innocents with chemical weapons and any other weapons, then I would be in favor of it. I do not believe the instability that you warn of is a legitimate concern. The bigger concern is who would replace Assad and is Al-Qaeda involved to any degree with the rebels. That concern my actually prevent any action being taken.

  29. As a point of interest to me is how many of those who are opposed to US bombing Syria were in favor of bombing Serbia under Clinton? My suspicion is that a lot of you were in favor of that bombing campaign that violated the US Constitution, the UN Charter, NATO charter, and Helsinki Treaty on Europe to name a few. Not only that but the US willfully attacked a non-combatant target, the Serbian radio and TV headquarters. Even in WWII, war correspondents were considered to be non-combatants on both sides. But it was the US which decided that was no longer the rule.

    Also, it turns out that the so called genocide was not being done as Clinton alleged. In FACT, it was the Kosovars who were doing the ethnic cleansing and were outright NAZIS. The Serbs were the victims in that war,not the aggressors.

  30. Yes OS,

    I understand what you’re saying.

    My main point was so many times in the past, very recent past, disruptive techs are lost to the public because of people in positions of power block the release of the tech.

    I understand inventors wishing to profit from the patients, but in important cases, I believe, they now have no choice but to release it into the public commons.

    That’s one of the real reasons for all the govt/Corp spying, to keep an eye on who’s working on what new disruptive tech.

    IE: Aaron Swartz, suspicion was of him having been murdered because he was very sharp, disruptive…

    I’m not sure what was in the files from MIT he had.

    Note Mr Kanzius tech, without knowing any details, sounds related to 60-100 year old secret energy tech by Tesla.

    And we have no idea how much more of Tesla’s work/ideas are being withheld by the govt/corps.

    Just using simple tech, publicly available now & for decades past, verified by scientist, full size cars/pickups could be getting 75-100 mpg.

    But look what would have happened to the now $3.50-$4.00 gasoline price.

    And ME wars.

  31. White House working hard to woo House liberals on Syria

    By Greg Sargent, Published: September 4 at 2:54 pm


    Dem Rep. Barbara Lee of California, a staunch opponent of military action, tells me that the exchange between members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and White House officials was “frank” and “forthright” and “candid” on both sides, with “very tough questions” coming from progressive Dems.

    Rep. Lee, for instance, says she pressed White House officials on this question: “Even the administration agrees there’s no military solution and there can only be a negotiated settlement, so how does the use of force and strikes move us in that direction?” She also pressed for answers on how we can “mitigate” against “collateral damage” and on “the possibility of a regional conflict breaking out.”

    “They assured us they’re taking everything into account,” Lee said. “I do have to say the president and this administration have been very careful and very methodical in how they’ve been approaching this.”

    Others on the call pressed for answers about whether more international support would be forthcoming.

    Lee, however, says she remains unpersuaded. “They’ve been very persuasive about the intelligence and the fact that we must do something,” Lee says. “They were not persuasive for me that the only option right now is a military option.” She added that on the question of whether strikes “will put Assad in check, I’m just not persuaded that’s the case.”

    This, ultimately, may be the dilemma the White House faces in a nutshell. Virtually all of the Dems the White House wants to win over agree the case against Assad is strong, and that doing nothing is unacceptable. That argument has been made successfully. But many Dems still are not persuaded that military violence will change the situation for the better and seem to believe the risks of strikes, even limited ones, outweigh the potential upsides, whatever they are supposed to be.

    However, Lee did say other progressives on the call seemed to still be in a questioning mode. The White House still could conceivably prevail, given that many Dems who harbor a liberal internationalist streak seemingly remain deeply uncomfortable with inaction in the face of Assad’s horrors.

    “They’re working very hard,” Lee said of the White House. “That’s what coming to Congress is all about.”

  32. Barbara Lee is rather ignorant if she cannot understand how stopping Assad using chemical weapons will advance a negotiation. If Assad is allowed to continuing using that weapon, then negotiations are pointless since the opposition will not exist. DUH!

  33. rafflaw,

    Maybe I’m wrong or naive, but I now look at these national govts as tools being used by billionaires that are nothing more then modern day mafia bosses.

    We have the Koch brothers, Buffet, Gates, etc., the Saudis have their Bandars, bin Ladens, etc., Russia….

    Most of the people of the world a meaningless & nothing more then slaves/cannon fodder to the worlds billionaires.

    About 10-20% of the gen pop of the major player nations, those people are paid $60-$300,000 year, a small pittance, for maintaining the status quo of the billionaire’s control of their territories.

    I believe Syria is nothing more then billionaires fighting with each other over turf.

    My position is to say screw all of them.

    Leaving Assad in power leaves a wall in place blocking further trouble in that area.

    Which in turn is the most helpful to all of us in the US.

    Keep in mind there’s around 100 million Americans that could working, but instead are currently sitting on their thumbs & the other 100 mil jobs exist because of some sort of govt welfare/subsidy.

    (Can people Fathom the shear scope of the numbers? There should be riots in the streets against the Wallst/City of London Banking types! )

    I don’t believe Russia or China can or will surrender that spot on the map.

    And yes, multiple reports decades back show Al Qaedia, AKA Al CIAduh, is/has been being run by billionaires inside/in control of the US/Saudis/Israel govts.

  34. Oops:

    And yes the Saudi/Qatar/Israel/US funded trained Free Syrian Army is mostly Al Qaedia, Multiple reports decades back show Al Qaedia, AKA Al CIAduh, is/has been being run by billionaires inside/in control of the US/Saudis/Israel govts.

  35. Report: China Sends Warships to Coast of Syria

    PLA dispatches vessels to “observe” US maneuvers

    Paul Joseph Watson
    September 5, 2013

    China has reportedly sent warships to the coast of Syria to “observe” the actions of US and Russian ships as tensions build in preparation for a potential military strike on Syria which could come as soon as next week.

  36. First we have Nancy Pelosi explaining the war literally in five-year-old terms and now John Kerry doing his imitation of Offer “Vince” Shlomi.” -JT

    Hebrew National was so excited they offered Free Willie! and Free Weiner! coupons.

    Next week it is Pancy Nelosi smothered with Agent Orange Boehner sauce.

  37. “Statism—in fact and in principle—is nothing more than gang rule. A dictatorship is a gang devoted to looting the effort of the productive citizens of its own country. When a statist ruler exhausts his own country’s economy, he attacks his neighbors. It is his only means of postponing internal collapse and prolonging his rule. A country that violates the rights of its own citizens, will not respect the rights of its neighbors. Those who do not recognize individual rights, will not recognize the rights of nations: a nation is only a number of individuals.”

    Ayn Rand

  38. “Remember that private citizens—whether rich or poor, whether businessmen or workers—have no power to start a war. That power is the exclusive prerogative of a government. Which type of government is more likely to plunge a country into war: a government of limited powers, bound by constitutional restrictions—or an unlimited government, open to the pressure of any group with warlike interests or ideologies, a government able to command armies to march at the whim of a single chief executive?”

    Ayn Rand

  39. John Kerry, war whore, forevermore. Let him go be “the last one leaving.”
    Just go home to Frau Heinz and play with your windsurfer, oh ye so far removed from the resultant crimes of the State. Sick, sick, sick.

  40. rafflaw,

    I spent a fair amount of time yesterday/recently calling Congressmen/Senators offices.

    I say to them almost word for word things I post here.

    IE: Don’t get involved in Syria, don’t violating our 2nd, 4th amd or any other Rights, Obama, like Bush, Clinton is/are war criminals/crimes against humanity, Obamacare is an unconstitutional Scam, Wallst Banks/insur are totally corrupt & a direct threat to Natl. Seecurity, etc….

    That if they don’t have enough votes to Impeach Obama & all of his mafia crew at the very least hold a vote of No Confidence against them.

    But I was pumping them mainly this video below, 12.4 minutes it explains the real war we all have to & should be fighting right now.

    Money or call it currency, securities, even fraudulent securities & commodities like electric power, oil, gold, silver etc all share many aspects in common.

    They all can be used as tools for control to maintain leaders Political Power that control them.

    For this war to be won people need to understand the problem & then they have to act to put an end to the monopoly controls of currencies & to end Wallst use of fraudulent derivatives.

    We are all in this war whether we wish to be or not.

    (I posted it on another thread yesterday it may have shown up as spam when I just reposted it. You can find it with the info below if you wish.)

    Youtube: Take Your Money Out of the Bank!

  41. *sigh*

    Once again, Rand displays all the nuance of a hammer and the proper understanding of political science one would expect from a throw pillow.

    All forms of government are statist in that they influence control over social and economic affairs. The difference is one of degree. The proper term for what is going on here is “imperialism”: policy of extending a country’s power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means.

    And that problem traces directly back to the Congress essentially abandoned its Constitutional duty to check the power of the Executive in declaring war by overriding Nixon’s veto of the War Powers Act of 1973.

  42. from OED:


    Pronunciation: /ˈsteɪtɪz(ə)m/

    [mass noun]
    a political system in which the state has substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs

    From Rand:

    “the term “statism” designates concentration of power in the state at the expense of individual liberty. . .”

    So “statism” is about central control by governments. Statist does not mean a government of limited powers, it specifically refers to ones in which government subordinates the will of the individual to its own ends. Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia are examples of the worst of statism. Czarist Russia would be a weaker statist country.

    Our government, as founded, was not statist.

  43. President Obama gambling with war reminds me of a favorite scene in The Count of Monte Cristo (Kevin Reynold’s film) where the dissolute aristocrat Fernand de Mondego sits at the roulette table squandering his family inheritance. Through an open doorway, Edmond Dantes and his sidekick Jacopo look on. Observes Jacopo:

    He’s losing. And they’re not even cheating him.”

    President Obama has gotten into a game of craps with himself, using an especially designed pair of dice that always comes up snake-eyes. As military historian Martin Van Crevald has written, when the strong beat down on the weak and win, they look like thugs. When they beat down on the weak and lose, they look like idiots (Vietnam, Iraq, an Afghanistan). Snake-eyes, either way. Great nations cannot fight little wars, but failed states like the U.S.A. often think that they can.

  44. Obama gets pissed at people like Oky1 for calling on congress to impeach his butt so he threatens us by telling the world he’s going to throw the US’s economy over the cliff & into a deeper depression by ending QE 4ever.

    Go ahead Obama, we already know you hate American’s guts, pull the trigger.

    What are you going to do Obama, attack another city like you likely did in Boston or will it be bigger this time?

    The 2 things he will never do is going looking for the road back to Mayberry & bring Wallst/City of London major Banks/Insur corporations to Justice!!!


    It would seem, the President has decided the decision to taper – gradually – will be his, which is odd, because – as if one needed reminding – the decision is not his to make (unless he decided to nominate himself for Fed chair?). **

  45. Bron,

    Not knowing the meanings of words and making them up is only second to not understanding them in the proper context. At least you didn’t make up a definition this time.

    All governments are statist.

    It’s their nature.

    They share an etymological root for that reason.

    Any form of legal system is a form of centralized control. it’s a matter of degree and where that control is located. That’s why we have specialized terms in poli sci like “totalitarian” and “anarchist” at the extremes and a bunch of terms inbetween. Our government as founded was statist at the Federal level as it was founded as a federation – a political entity characterized by a union of partially self-governing states united by a central government – hence the name “Federal government”. The member states, however, as as statist as any Constitutional democracy.

    Did you really think I didn’t know the dictionary definition of “statism”?


    Unfortunately, unlike Rand, I understand it within the context of political science as a whole. Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is the applied synthesis of information and context to form understanding.

    But you know this.

    Or you should by now.

  46. A “free” war??? This is just palpable proof that Obama doesn’t understand capitalism. “Free” just equates to “non-profit.” My goodness, if you are going to have a war, then you should have enough sense to make some profit off of it!

    Why don’t we let somebody with some sense do the negotiating for us, like Donald Trump maybe. That way, we could probably talk the Saudi’s into paying for the war, and giving every American $1,500 tax free to us. Trump could probably get the rights to put a few casinos in Saudi Arabia in special “Shariah Free Zones” where he could sell alcohol and other Western delights. Plus, get the Saudis to kick in some development funds to boot.

    You see people, this is what happens when you send the Democrats to do a man’s job. They end up leaving most of the money on the table.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  47. Geeezus Gene H,

    Can’t you focus & stay on topic?

    The topic is Cute Gals, NYC models are to skinning & Hollywood starlet’s fake boobs are disgusting. :)

  48. nick spinelli 1, September 5, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Elaine, Times do change and our views evolve. But, if you have core values and integrity, they don’t get corrupted.
    Is math a core issue or value? Without math value is just a feeling isn’t it?

    Politics corrupts even that area:

    Everybody knows that our political views can sometimes get in the way of thinking clearly. But perhaps we don’t realize how bad the problem actually is. According to a new psychology paper, our political passions can even undermine our very basic reasoning skills. More specifically, the study finds that people who are otherwise very good at math may totally flunk a problem that they would otherwise probably be able to solve, simply because giving the right answer goes against their political beliefs.

    (Yale Study). Freedom, being free, could be just another word for nothing left … if we get the math wrong.

  49. Oky,

    Take it up with Bron. He’s the one who brought up Rand and her oh so insufficient understanding of political science.

  50. Gene,

    Just making light while we wait for the next 2 or 3 weeks to see if one of those idiots, that we know are out there, around the world that has been sitting 20-30 years with their itchy trigger finger on a nuke button decides to see what happens if he finally pushes it.

  51. Squeaky,

    “Free” means “zero cost.” Put another way, it means 100% profit, since Profit = Revenue – Cost. So a “free war” means a war that will cost Americans nothing and will generate a 100% profit from all loot and plunder that American corporations regard as their just return on campaign contributions.

    You and your Republican ideas of capitalism surely do need a course in remedial arithmetic. Your comments on “capitalism” (using someone else’s money to make more money) sound like what Vice President George H. W. Bush called his boss Ronald Raygun’s lunatic concepts: namely, “Voodoo Economics.” It took Democratic President Bill Clinton nearly eight years to balance the budget and pay off the enormous deficits run up by the self-styled “fiscal conservative” Republican stock speculators. Of course, then came the Republicans again with galactic dimwit G.W. Bush who brought back monstrous deficits along with a general economic collapse not seen since another group of Republicans in government brought us the Great Depression from 1929-1941.

    So please spare us the inane babble about Republicans and their understanding of capitalism, which for them just means boundless opportunities for sanctified theft at someone else’s expense.

    When I studied for my bachelor’s degree in Economics, they taught us — as our first and most important lesson:

    “There is no such thing as a free lunch.”

    Everything costs somebody something. Profit or loss just depends on who pays the costs.

  52. It makes no difference what this foolish and illegal undertaking might cost. Saudi Arabia will not write a single check to the American people.

  53. “It makes no difference what this foolish and illegal undertaking might cost. Saudi Arabia will not write a single check to the American people.”


  54. What I wrote my Congress persons today: (P.S. Israel wants us to do a regime change as well and is lobbying Congress to authorize it.)

    So Israel wants the US to attack Syria? Here is my letter to my congress members:

    Our military is not the mercenary force of Israel, Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations.

    In a bid to convince fiscal conservatives that this war won’t cost a dime, Kerry told Congress: ‘With respect to Arab countries offering to bear costs and to assess, the answer is profoundly yes. . . . They have. That offer is on the table.” When Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) pressed on how much we could get from the countries, Kerry said it was an absolute bargain: “In fact, some of them have said that if the United States is prepared to go do the whole thing the way we’ve done it previously in other places, they’ll carry that cost . . . That’s how dedicated they are at this. That’s not in the cards, and nobody’s talking about it, but they’re talking in serious ways about getting this done.”

    This is disgusting. We are offering to trade American blood for their money. I would like to know if this offer includes a commitment to pay for American soldiers who become disabled or die in this undertaking. What about their survivors? How can any person of conscience accept such a evil bargain? It is an insult to our service members who take an oath to the United States, not any other nation.

    Kerry is admitting we do not have the money for this war. We don’t. If Israel, Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations want this war, let them speak up plainly as to why they believe it is legal. Let them further come forward with their own equipment and personnel to fight it.

  55. Mike and Gene,
    It is possible that the Saudi’s might write a check,(not likely) but it won’t be worth any American lives if we do more than shoot cruise missiles.

  56. Well, maybe Saudi Arabia would do it like those class action settlements, and give us some 5% off coupons for any oil we buy from them, on the condition that all coupons will expire December 31, 2013, and no more than one coupon can be used per barrel. Not valid with any other offer.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  57. Today Obama said he would consider any good ideas that weren’t military if he could find any. So….Go to the ICC. Take all the evidence everyone has collected and present it. From that evidence, there will be indictments.

    The indictments should go all the way to the top of the food chain. If you really want to send a message that the use of CW is unacceptable, then any person, any nation, any corporation, any actor that was involved in making, selling, authorizing, “legally” justifying or using the weapons needs to be indicted. No exceptions. Everyone along the chain of custody that had a hand in their use must be indicted.

    That’s going to send a very powerful message. Even if a trial is in absentia, that will send a message.

    In the meantime, take Israel, Saudi Arabia and other Arab states who have offered to pay you to go to war and ask them to put their money into paying for the needs of Syrian civilians instead.

    Finally, you can actually put a down payment on your Peace Prize by working for peace, not war. Call for a truce and negotiation.

    Please stop this type of hypocrisy immediately: “Delivering chemical weapons against children is not something we do. It’s prohibited in active wars between countries. We certainly don’t do it against kids.” You have not brought indictments against the Bush administration for their unlawful war in Iraq which included the use of WP and killed many children, still resulting in birth defects in Fallujah. I have not seen you stop your own use of cluster bombs or drones. I would like to know why these are acceptable methods of killing children. You need to answer that question.

  58. @Jill:

    You know, I always thought the term “collateral damage” was really a Freudian slip. Because that is what a person might say if they viewed other people’s life as a kind of property. As in, “Well that last bomb damaged some of my collateral. . .”

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  59. Anonymously posted,

    My favorite moment in the Kerry interview:

    “We share a concern about the increase of the radicals. My concern is that if we don’t hold Saddam — I mean Bashar al-Assad …”

    Oh, brother. I almost spit coffee all over my computer monitor at that one. Saddam indeed.

    Not to mention the lies Kerry told about him and Chuck Hagel not voting to authorized Deputy Dubya Bush’s stud hamster vendetta against the toothless Saddam Hussein, when in fact they both fell for the lies hook, line, and sinker.

    You know, it does seem casual to the obvious observer that one cannot believe a word that emerges from between the flapping lips of U.S. government officials. They lie just to keep in practice; just so they won’t forget how.

    But Kerry positively infuriated me when he spoke of Vietnam “informing” his views, when he obviously did not learn one damn thing of value from that debacle. I simply cannot for the life of me understand a self-described Vietnam veteran advocating for the U.S. military to involve itself in another foreign country’s civil war. Only a brain-dead moron could do that.

  60. John Kerry: another U.S. Secretary of State shilling for a stupid war instead of practicing diplomacy to avoid one. The U.S. government needs to go away and spare the world further unnecessary embarrassment.

  61. President Obama does his Lord Farquad imitation:

    “Some of you may die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.”

    President Obama does his First Mate Starbuck imitation:

    “I will have no one in your boat who is afraid of whales.”

    In other words: “Leading from Behind” (otherwise known as “pushing”)

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