Pray for Reign: Gay Marriage and The Bible (A Mark Fiore Political Cartoon Video)

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61 thoughts on “Pray for Reign: Gay Marriage and The Bible (A Mark Fiore Political Cartoon Video)

  1. Thanks Elaine, shared it on my FB page (and if I can find appropriate place will put it on Huckabee’s page)

  2. That is about the size of it Elaine.

    Religious dogma is divisive because it is cafeteria style … as dogmatists go through it the pick and choose what fits their preconceived culturally induced proclivities, ignoring the parts that do not conform to that dogma.

  3. All you have to do is open up your eyes & look around you to see that homosexuals are respectable & productive members of the education, medical, legal, business, military, political, & religious communities. Gays & lesbians live in our towns and cities, & are our neighbors. We may not know who they are, but they’re there. Homosexuality has been with us since time immemorial & I’m confident that homosexuals will be with us for many more centuries to come. I have no doubt that this nation will survive long after gays & lesbians are given the legal right to marry. So lighten up, will ya!
    When was the last time you heard of a gay or lesbian commit a hate crime against a heterosexual? When was the last time you heard of a gay or lesbian sexually abuse a child? When was the last time you heard of a gay or lesbian bombing an abortion clinic? Homosexuals did not fly a commercial airplane into the World Trade Center. Nor did they carry out the Inquisition or lead the Crusades, & gays & lesbians certainly did not wage the Salem witch-hunts, either. However, religious fanatics did.
    I have never been hurt by any gays or lesbians. And despite popular opinion to the contrary, gays do not spend all day in bed performing lewd & lascivious acts.
    I’m a heterosexual, & proud of it. But I am in no wise promoting the heterosexual lifestyle here because history is replete with instances that prove, beyond any doubt, that it is far from perfect. In my 64 years, I’ve learned to “live & let live.” America’s greatest strength lay in its diversity & tolerance for a multitude of racial, religious, ethnic, sexual, & gender differences.
    We are who we are. Try as you might, but you can’t deny basic human nature. It’s there, & in the end it will prevail. And you know what? That’s not a bad thing. The first step toward maturity is accepting our humanity. Despite the fact that this nation continues to insist otherwise, sexuality is as important a part of being human just as much as our emotional, intellectual, physical, & spiritual self is part of who we are. I don’t know if homosexuality is a personal decision made by a person or a predetermined genetic factor. I don’t know & neither do you.
    So, Mr. President, please leave the Constitution alone. Methinks that our nation would be better served if you and the Congress would redirect your passion & zeal against gay marriages, instead, into securing, for all its citizens, a living wage, universal health care, affordable prescription drugs—especially for senior citizens on fixed income—global-warming, and weaning this nation off its addiction to oil.

  4. Since people all differ in size, skin shade, tastes, mental abilities, strength, pain thresholds, interests, why shouldn’t they differ in sexuality? Why would anyone expect individuals to be like the majority in every way?

  5. I think there wouldn’t be as many problems if gays did not demand to use the traditional marriage ceremony. What is wrong with them having their own ceremony with all the same rights and privileges?
    I think Americans are tired of having everything rammed down their throat. We’ve had illegals rammed down our throat for decades. Now we have a President destroying the rule of law; gays wanting to use the traditional marriage ceremony, amnesty for every Tom, Dick and Harry. We are overloaded, sick and tired of the crap.
    I have no problem with the choices people make for their lives but for God’s sake STOP FORCING.

  6. Patricia,

    Why do you object to gays and lesbians having the same rights as the rest of us? They want to be considered legally married too. Where’s the problem? I don’t feel that I’m having anything rammed down my throat.

    I guess black people shouldn’t have protested, fought for, and demanded equal rights. The thought of them trying to ram things down white Americans throats. Why couldn’t they just attend their own schools…use separate facilities, etc.?

  7. That was great Elaine!

    Patricia, churches who don’t agree with same sex marriage aren’t compelled to marry them legally. The concept of marriage doesn’t belong just to certain religions. As for prohibiting gays from being patrons of certain businesses that just smacks of bigotry.

  8. and they will be up in arms if a muslim refuses to allow women in their establishments if they do not cover their heads, or orthodox (or conservative) jews do not allow men in without yarmulke etc. and there will be someone at some point who says their religious convictions does not permit either African americans, or interracial couples.
    (and Elainie great reply up above)

  9. “I have no problem with the choices people make for their lives but for God’s sake STOP FORCING.

    That is why gawd invented lube!

  10. “What is wrong with them having their own ceremony with all the same rights and privileges?”

    I know, call it “Enhanced Relationships” kind of like calling TORTURE something different means that it is NOT the same anymore… NO?

  11. annieofwi,
    Why would I want to get married in a Church that does not support my life?
    That’s the same question any Bride or Groom must answer for themselves.
    And that is why many parks and open spaces are chosen, instead. Peace.

  12. If one is Christian, it would be best if each really studied their bible and know what they are talking about before giving an opinion. I am no bigot and no spring chicken and have studied the Bible all my life and this kind of discussion can lead to some very hard feelings . People pick and choose what they want to believe that is their choice, we all have to live side by side in a secular world where we have people of all faiths. All are not of the Christian faith and we are not to judge them, and as for myself I believe that if read thoroughly, the truth can be found in the Bible.

    If you recall, the disciples were told to eat the food that was considered unclean for Christians when they were in an unbelievers home. We are not to insult but we are also to be a model for our religion. Churches are places people worship a God who considers homosexuality wrong, therefore the ministers should not have to marry them in God’s house or perform a marriage against his God’s law. To do so violates God’s law and makes the minister a sinner. We care for the sick, and needy no matter what religion or lifestyle they have. You cannot teach or show others christian ways if we reject those who live differently than we do. Jesus did not shun the unrighteous, he taught them. God comes first in our lives so please don’t ask us to deliberately sin against him and make us sinners by doing so. Don’t ask Hospitals that are supported by Christian churches to kill babies. Bigots, all nationalities, and gays sit in church every Sunday and we Pray they will learn and accept our ways and what we believe. The church is not our house it is God’s. Don’t ask Christians to do things that are a sin against their God. To do so makes that person a sinner against his/her God. If a person has a different lifestyle, please don’t force your lifestyle on me instead accept my right to refuse to dishonor my God and make me sin against him. In this world you may live as you please, It is everyone’s world, we must live side by side.

    This is solely my opinion.

  13. myra,

    No one is suggesting that churches should be required to marry gays and lesbians. Why shouldn’t gays and lesbians, however, be allowed to legally marry in every state in this country? That isn’t forcing someone else’s lifestyle on you. That’s just giving them equal rights.

  14. Patricia McGehee sez: “I think there wouldn’t be as many problems if gays did not demand to use the traditional marriage ceremony. What is wrong with them having their own ceremony with all the same rights and privileges?

    I believe you have the ceremony mixed up with the marriage contract.

    Anyone can get married with any ceremony they wish. You can perform marriage ceremonies yourself, if you want to. All you have to do is go to one of the many web sites that do online ordinations, and presto, you are a minister with the legal right to marry people with any ceremony you, or the couple, wish.

    The problem comes when the couple goes to the courthouse to get the marriage license. The important part is NOT the ceremony, but the piece of paper making it legal.

    Of course, if one has been a lifelong member of a church or other religious organization, it might be rather nice if your minister, priest or rabbi didn’t get all up in your face that you are an evil person and simply agree to marry you to your loved one instead.

    The “rights and privileges” don’t come with the ceremony or lack thereof. It comes with that contractual agreement called a Marriage License filed in the clerk’s office.

  15. This is more progaypediphile propaganda. The illuminati elites who controll the media are a bunch of pediphiles on record. Once the homosexuals are put on a pedistool it will be a small step for the pediphiles AKA child rapists to follow suit. This is being fasttracked in Spain with there abuse free child porn campaign where they encourage adults to submit nude photos of themselves as children.
    Mr Turley if you plan on having more guests bloggers on here pushing progay antifamily propaganda and mocking the Bible then I will be unsubscribing very soon.
    The men who hang out in public restrooms and drill holes between the stalls are twisted predators, not heroes.

  16. Oh, lets stop the obloquy – it is really about money & sticking it to the single person to pay higher taxes.

  17. Alain, There is a big difference between the relationship of consenting adults and the relationship between an adult and a child that cannot give consent.

    Elaine, Great video.

    OT, Police entered a bar with a racially mixed clientele, created a situation and escalated it, brutally beating some of the patrons. The speech to the Troy city council by the bar owner is extremely powerful.

  18. Myra,
    Is God omnipotent? Does God create trash?
    Just read Genesis. What God made. You and me.
    I don’t believe God makes trash, people do.
    God knew when he created you, what God was making.
    I believe God feels the same way about me.
    “God who considers homosexuality wrong…”
    Who made the homosexual, flesh?
    Is God’s creation good, as the Bible says, or is it partly trash?

  19. Myra,
    “The church is not our house it is God’s.
    … Perhaps this is why Peter instructs Romans to stop the fornicating on the alter. After all, fornication is best under wraps.

  20. Alain,
    “This is more progaypediphile propaganda.”
    … Thus explains the Roman Catholic Church.

    Thanks for that.

  21. Max, I’m in favor of churches not being compelled to marry them, perhaps you misunderstood me. Peace to you too.

  22. Regarding the sins of pastors, There is a war between evil and good in this world and all flesh is tempted. Many good people fall victim to evil when they are desensitized to what evil is. A pastor who does such vile acts is no longer blessed. That is why the Bible, says to pray, pray, pray. When one has God as his center, he is less apt to fall into such evil ways. The devil does not sleep. Pedophilia, child molestation, or porn of any kind is certainly not actions God blesses. They are still God’s children but according to the laws of the secular world, they should be punished by the laws of this world, Was Jesus not tempted on the mount. If He can be tested can not our pastors be tempted also? Many are and unfortunately are not strong enough to fight temptation. It is our duty to weed such ministers out of a leading position in our churches. Their actions are wrong and should be punished by the law.
    We are by no means their judges. Illegal acts are judged by the law.

    To the question, “Is God omnipotent”? Yes, he is and no he does not make trash. What do you consider trash? People who do things that Christians consider evil are not trash. They are still people but people who do not have God as their center. If a child misbehaves, do we not tell him where he has gone wrong? We were born with the ability to make choices and many times we make bad choices, and if a person chooses to continue leading an ungodly life after finding out he is doing unacceptable things, is there no hope for him? THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE.! “Does not the Shepard leave the flock to save one lost sheep? God made us with the ability to choose right from wrong and what we do is our choice, not his. We choose to do good or bad. And, we are flesh and not anyone’s judge. God’s creations are all good. The problem is we were made to think and make choices. Man chooses one or the other, good or evil. We make your own way in this earthly life. Thus, we are all to be judged by a higher authority.

    Oh yes, for the record, God does not hate, He is omnipotent and we are to follow his guidelines. It grieves him to lose one of his sheep.

    To answer Mr. Stanley, if one has belonged to a church all his life, that person should know his Bible well enough to realize that to ask a minister to disregard his vows to God to perform a ceremony for persons of the same sex is to ask that minister to sin for him and is a selfish act. There is always the JP at city hall who can marry them. However, It is the hope of the church that you continue to come as eventually, you may read the passages that denounce those actions. There is hope for all!

    Just my opinion only.

  23. annieofwi,
    No, I didn’t misunderstand you. I think I didn’t make myself clear.
    Why would anyone get married in a church that doesn’t support them?

  24. Myra,
    “When one has God as his center, he is less apt to fall into such evil ways.
    … Thus was born the Hijab and Burka. Oh, wrong religion.

    Who did Jesus say we should judge?
    How should we judges others?
    Why spend time and effort judging others?
    If what I do is sinful, who shall be the decider?
    You and your religion, or God?

  25. Myra,
    Now that you know “OF” my sins…
    … When can I learn of your’s and judge YOU unworthy of God’s Graces?

  26. I think Americans are tired of having everything rammed down their throat. We’ve had illegals rammed down our throat for decades.

    help me, jesus

  27. Sorry, I am not familiar with “Hi jab and Burka”. However, Jesus (God’s Son) Judged the Pharisees. If we disobey man’s law then we are judged by man’s law. We, as Christians should not judge others. All will be judged by our Lord.

    “Why Hell” That is a question for your maker. It is his punishment for us, not man’s.

    Max-1:” If what I do is sinful, who shall be the decider?
    You and your religion, or God” Max that should be evident. Certainly not man. I think you know the answer. If you sin against God, that is between you and Him. If the sin is against Man’s law then a Court of law will be your judge although you will also be judged by the Almighty.

    And who is Jesus, the Son of, and who will be our Lord?

    A note regarding “religious zealots”: Many times it is not the religious zealots although they are many. Many times it is the members of one’s family who are the worst predators. They are the ones children trust most. The ministers and priests are usually the ones that make the papers not the father, step-father, aunt or uncle who violates the child at home. They have control over the child that is raped. Such children live in fear of telling what happened for fear of not being believed and being raped again. A living hell for them.

    My opinion only.

  28. Justin, I am no theologian but if you believe in the Bible, I think you may find the answer to your question in Romans: 1: 17-32, and Romans: 2: 1-13. And the 10 Commandments, along with your Minister, Pastor or Priest (whichever you have) should you still have questions.

    Unlike the President, God is omnipotent and His Word is Law. He has feelings and emotions which encompass: Love, Anger, Passion, Understanding, Kindness, Forbearance and Patience. But He can have a hard heart for those who rebuke Him and break His laws. His wrath is great.

    Happy reading, hope you get your answer. What you choose to believe is the choice He gives us.(good vs. evil)

    Goodnight to you also.

  29. Unfortunately most Christians don’t read their Bible, much less study it. There are some that go to study groups which are nothing more than a continuation of that particular denomination’s teaching of their take on the scriptures. Someone who believes in the Bible (as I do) should read and study it on their own asking the Holy Spirit for guidance. By doing this I have come to see the consistencies in the scriptures rather then what some consider inconsistencies. A level of understanding can be obtained that I think is unlikely to be reached by having someone else tell you what the Bible says and means.

    The word “marriage” is never actually used in the scriptures. A “husband” referred to his “wife” as his woman, and she would refer to him as her man. Husband, wife, and marriage are terms that are not found in the scriptures. In the scriptures a man and woman enter into a betrothal which is an incomplete covenant. When the covenant is ratified then it can only be dissolved through divorce if the covenant is broken; the covenant is like a contract with terms and conditions. God divorced Israel, and later Judah for breaking the covenant they had with Him.

    That being said it is my opinion that the Church made a MAJOR error when the government was brought into marriage. The government should go no further than registering any covenant as a civil union, similar to the way it does businesses. If the government chooses to issue civil unions to gay as well as heterosexual couples so be it.

    As Christians we are instructed by Paul to address those within our church that are sinning, and to leave those outside the church to God. Seems pretty straight forward to me. If someone in my congregation is doing something that the scriptures state is sinful then it is my duty to address them privately and ask them to solve the issue. If they do not then I am to take two witnessed and try again. If that still fails then I am to remove the individual from the congregation.

    Since I disagree with government “Marriage” I obviously disagree with gay marriage, but that is simply my opinion and not one I intend to force upon anyone. If it comes to a vote I will vote based on my opinions, not with the intent of forcing someone to adopt my personal views.

  30. Good Morning, myra. Thank you for your reply. I checked my King James version of the Bible and you give a very good explanation. However, your answer confirms why I chose to go separate ways with God/religion. I do not want to believe in a vengeful God. And as far as the reason for all the pain and suffering in the world, there is no good reason for it.
    All the pain and suffering in the world serves no purpose whatsoever. An omnipotent, omniscient God could rule the world without all the pain and suffering. In fact, the world would be a much better place for human beings WITHOUT all the pain and suffering. Thanks again. While we disagree about religion, I respect your right to believe as you choose.

  31. The irony of seeing people quote their Bible to justify their efforts to legalize discrimination is delicious. The Bible isn’t a solution or a justification for trying to codify prejudice and bigotry, the Bible is the problem. Simply because our history has permitted the intrusion of Biblical supremacy over such secular legal matters in the past does not mean we cannot or should not correct those influences and affected laws. It’s rightful position in the discussion is irrelevance. The government has every right to manage the legal entanglements of marriage and dictate who can and cannot. But, the source material for designating who cannot be married is not any particular religion’s scripture. The only document that matters is the Constitution which assures all citizens equal access to all the full range of rights, benefits, privileges and obligations of that citizenship.

  32. Justin, thank you for looking up the scriptures. It is your choice to believe as you do, however, I am merely a woman who believes and I believe you are wrong. I agree the world would be a much better place without all the pain and suffering however tell me a country, or government that can give you a utopia of such. The reason there is pain and suffering is caused by man’s sin and mistakes. We pray and ask for forgiveness here so that when our time comes, we can have a wonderful spiritual life with our God someday. That is my belief, my Choice. I myself did not know the scriptures until my husband died and God came into my life. Everyone is free to believe as he/she wishes.

    “Scarecrow” I respect your beliefs but I respectfully disagree with the word marriage not being in the Bible. However, I have a question, Where was Jesus when he performed his first miracle? answer: A wedding. I use The “King James Version”, and the “Revised Standard Version” also “The New World Translation of Holy Scriptures” and If you will go to the gospel according to “JOHN” Chapter 1: verses 1-12 I believe you will find the word marriage. It is also mentioned some 56 times in various places in all three of my Bibles. Jesus even attended a wedding and performed a miracle there. Thank you for reading this. You have the right to believe what you wish. God blessed weddings.

    I disagree with Gay marriage but this is a secular world and we are not their judges. If they come to church, then there is possibility that they will learn from hearing the scriptures. To be there they must already believe in God and are unaware of all of his teachings and of the consequences of that lifestyle for the spiritual life. Jesus did not push away the unbelievers, he taught them.

    I will leave now to go to Church, Have a wonderful day.

  33. The significance of the appearance of the word “marriage” in the Bible is lost on me. A rose by any other name….. ” If the men who invented the Bible had written the word “union” or “armadillo”, would gays be able to use the word “marriage” for their union? All such unions are marriages and vice versa. One can be married without a church, but one cannot have the legal, tax or societal acceptance of marriage without the legal secular sanction of government.

    Ah, societal acceptance. There’s the rub. Since societal acceptance among some anti-Constitutional religious minded people is the only obstacle, having zero legal or medical justification, religious objections to same-sex marriage are irrelevant.

  34. Myra wrote:

    Max-1:” If what I do is sinful, who shall be the decider?
    You and your religion, or God” Max that should be evident. ”
    In that case then too is it you and your religion for, let’s say Muslims, and the ones who interpret their Bible, who say that it is G-d’s will, i.e. Allah, that we kill and terrorize all those who do not believe as we do, that we force women to wear burkas and hide their faces. and so on.

    Myra, the Bible has been translated umpteen times. Which translation is it in which you believe and how do you know that the words you read are the ones that were initially from G-d?

    Here is the word “marry” but look at the verse. It appears a main reason is so you don’t lose self control by not having intimate relations and having them keeps you out of the hands of Satan. And marriage will save the spouse who is an ubleliver with whom you must stay or if you do not must never marry again but stay alone.

    Just the first one I found when wanted to see if you were correct or not about the word marry not in the Bible.

    Corinthians 7:1-16

    Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry. But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife’s body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband’s body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. I say this as a concession, not as a command. I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?

    (oh and as for marrying in the church, my sister married a non jew, Rabbis by the handful refused to marry them, not only not in the synagogue but at all. Finally she was married at home by a Rabbi she did not know but thought love was more important.
    My other sister converted to her husband’s christian denomination so she could be married in the church, and then never set foot in a church again.
    I would posit the Rabbi who married the first sister was acting in a godlyway. The priest who married the second cared more for the appearance of marrying a Christian, the fakery of the conversion, then he did for the reality of why she became one.

  35. As I wrote previously, I am a Christian and what I wrote is my belief and my opinion only. I simply gave an explanation as to how I believed as a Christian and gave scriptures that backed it up. You have the right and choice to disagree with me as I am not asking you to accept my religion. Many people pick and choose the verses they want to believe anyway. I have been taught that I must know the entire Bible and let it be my guide in life. Again, what you choose to believe is your choice. That is between you and whatever God you recognize.

    However, If you want a theological argument there are over 100 great philosophers you can read to choose and make your own choice of which you agree with. Just to name a few; Hegel, W. James, Roger Bacon, Immanuel Kant, Frederich Nietzsche, Jean Paul Sartre, Rene Descartes, Plato, Thomas Aquinas, _ Tillich, Soren Kierkegaard and my favorite Paul of Tarsus, plus many many more. Whether you are Atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, whatever, I am not looking to convert you, I choose to believe in God the Father and Jesus the Son and I believe His Word to be the truth.

    Note to Justin:
    he reason for Pain and Suffering throughout history has been due to the nature of man. With all the numerous religions and nonbelievers it is hard to believe that this physical world could ever be a Utopia.

    Thank you for your feedback and conversation. Goodbye

  36. Graffiti seen in the stall of a NYC men’s room:
    “My mother made me a queer.”
    In another hand: “If I give her the wool will she make me one?”

  37. “All the pain and suffering in the world serves no purpose whatsoever. An omnipotent, omniscient God could rule the world without all the pain and suffering.”

    Simply because we don’t understand something doesn’t mean there isn’t a good reason for it. The scriptures tell us that ALL things work together for the glory of God. I don’t claim to know the mind of God, but I am certain there is a purpose for everything – even the things I don’t like.

    “Where was Jesus when he performed his first miracle?”

    Jesus was at what we would call a reception. It was typical in those days to celebrate for up to a full week after the signing of the Ketuba (contract)! Jesus did not attend a “Marriage ceremony” because the Jews did not practice such things.

    “If you will go to the gospel according to “JOHN” Chapter 1: verses 1-12 I believe you will find the word marriage. It is also mentioned some 56 times in various places in all three of my Bibles”

    That is the way it was translated, and also where a lot of the meaning is lost. The word “marriage” in the Bible is an anglicized word which refers to the ceremony, unfortunately it leads many to believe that we are doing things correctly (biblically) when we are not. Marriage licensure is actually a fairly new thing historically. They NEVER practiced “marriage” as we commonly do today. Show me one instance where a man asked permission from the government to take a wife, much less paid the government to license his relationship placing the government in headship of the relationship.

    “The significance of the appearance of the word “marriage” in the Bible is lost on me.”

    There is a significant difference between the way we practice marriage and the covenants that were entered into in the Bible. A man and woman entered a covenant before God, today we marry placing the government as the authority over the relationship. If you don’t understand this difference ask anyone that is familiar with divorce proceedings WHO makes the decisions about how the relationship ends (hint-a secular judge). Marriage and Covenant ARE two very different things, and using the word marriage in translating the scriptures is an injustice to them.

    Religious – Biblical covenant – God is the head and authority.
    Secular – Legal Marriage – The State is the head and authority.

    I am currently in covenant with a woman. I refuse to be legally married because I refuse to place the State as the head of our covenant in the place of God. The State does NOT have authority over any of my personal relationships and I certainly would not pay them a fee to contract with them to be in authority over any relationship I may choose to be in. I would be willing to register my union with the State if they are interested in knowing who I am in covenant with (as Joseph did when he took Mary to Bethlehem for the census), but I refuse to purchase a license for any such relationship…I license my dog, not my wife.

    We live in a Romanized society, and have for a long long time. It is often difficult for people to understand the differences between our current culture and the Biblical culture that existed when the scriptures were written because they have never experienced it.

  38. There is a fundamental reason why preachers oppose gays. The preacher has a family that he/she has to feed and a dog and a cat. There are numerous bills that come due. A preacher has to earn a living. He needs a flock to preach to and to collect some dues from. The flock has to keep going forward, it needs children. Now how can the flock continue to exist over the decades if the gays get married and do not produce children to increase the flock? When there is no more flock to fleece then the church fails. The pastor has to get some cows in the pasture to milk and some real sheep to fleece. Which is why, we describe Americans who can not think, one simple word: Sheeple.

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