Is Rep. Paul Ryan a Lazy White Man?

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Respectfully submitted by Lawrence E. Rafferty (rafflaw) Weekend Contributor

If the title of this piece shocks you, I apologize.  On second thought, I won’t apologize for asking a legitimate question about a prominent politician who has made his proposals to harm the poor and middle class and give tax cuts to the wealthy his calling card in the conservative movement. Recently, Rep. Ryan made a statement about the people who inhabit the inner city claiming that those residents are less than motivated to work for a living.

‘ “Paul Ryan triggered a firestorm of recrimination this week. Speaking recently on Bill Bennett’s Morning in America radio program, the Wisconsin Republican and self-styled budget wonk linked poverty to “this tailspin of culture, in our inner cities in particular, of men not working and just generations of men not even thinking about working or learning the value and the culture of work.” ‘ Bill Moyers

It seems obvious to me who Paul Ryan is talking about here. What do you think he is saying here?    Of course, Mr. Ryan tried to walk back from the statements, but how can you unring this bell?

“Paul Ryan’s claim that black people have “bad culture”, may be genetically defective, and do not have “normal” “middle class” values about the merits of “hard work”, is a simple channeling of legendary Republican strategist Lee Atwater’s tactics for mobilizing white voters by leveraging their hostility to black Americans.

Atwater famously advised Republicans to:

You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”

The Southern Strategy has been the cornerstone of Republican politics for at least five decades. While former Republican National Committee chairmen Ken Mehlman and Michael Steele admitted (and apologized) that Republicans use racist appeals to motivate white voters, the Southern Strategy remains central to their party’s electoral logic and approach. Paul Ryan’s racism and embrace of the Southern Strategy is the Republican Party’s conventional wisdom in practice.” readersupportednews

It is argued by the aforementioned article that Rep. Ryan is just continuing the Republican Southern Strategy initiated decades ago. In light of Ryan’s comments, it seems like an easy argument to make.  The real purpose of this article is not to point fingers at an individual Congressman who has a history of making comments and making policy that arguably harms the poor.  What is important in this latest statement by Ryan is just how entrenched racism may be in this country and how it may still be impacting the politics of the day.

Was Rep. Ryan making an intentionally racist comment or was it just a very bad “slip of the tongue”?  Are current politics and politicians carrying on racial stereotypes of the past and making bad policy accordingly?  Is Rep. Ryan just a victim here or is he trying to take advantage of “white innocence” and “white privilege”?

It isn’t important what I think.  What is important is what you think.  Is racism still alive and well in this country?  What recent examples of racism, if any,  can you cite?  Is racism pervasive in this country and/or in American politics?  Once again, what do you think?

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173 thoughts on “Is Rep. Paul Ryan a Lazy White Man?

  1. This is one of a million examples of what prohibits this nation for having an “honest discussion on race;” something liberals say they want, but whose actions show they don’t.

  2. Paul Ryan is an empty suit that was given gravitas and heft by the media desparate to find a GOP representative they could praise. So they encrusted him with fantasy and sold him to the public as a rationa wonk. What a crock. His comments were not a mistake. They are who and what he really is.

  3. Justice you’re absolutely correct. There is absolutely no problems w/ the inner city culture. It is a healthy, nurturing, caring, environment that values education and hard work.

  4. Ryan knew exactly what he was saying. He was indeed employing the Southern Strategy and taking advantage of insular whites and their prejudices and fears to rally the white conservative votin base. He lost his own hometown in a big way for good reason. For someone who benefitted from the social safety net in SS payments after his father’s death, he is a hypocrite extraordinaire. This guy is a Randian who renounced her after Catholics questioned it. He will do and say anything to get to the top, once he is there, he would quickly dismantle the social safety net he benefitted from.

  5. I do think racism is alive and well in the United States. I think most black spokespersons are racist. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson come to mind immediately. Barack Obama is not above using race when it suits his need to either get elected or push a point.

    I think the Democratic Party is racist because it enslaves blacks with welfare making it almost impossible for them to break out of it. It attacks black conservatives as “Uncle Toms.”

    My hope is for the young. In my classrooms which were heavily racially mixed, I never saw any racism. The students got along fine regardless of race. They did have problems if someone belonged to a rival gang though.

    I do believe this blog is racist. It is an attempt to tar Paul Ryan as a racist in an effort to delegitimize him as a Presidential candidate. Racism is the dog whistle of the left. However, they have used it so often that no one cares anymore except the faithful. Paul Ryan is not going to get their votes anyway.

  6. An extended observation follows:

    GOP thrives on racism. They party makeup is 89% white, so it plays to its base with it’s ‘dog whistle politics’. Fro Reagan’s ‘welfare queens’ to Ryan ‘inner city’ comments, it points in one direction; minorities are lazy and stealing from the taxpayer, while whites are honest and hard working. It’s fascinating to watch this occur and so many GOP still are either ignorant of this approach or feeding into it.

    Bill Moyer’s had a great show about ‘dog whistle politics':

    Ian Haney López on the Dog Whistle Politics of Race, Part I | Moyers & Company | BillMoyers.com http://billmoyers.com/episode/ian-haney-lopez-on-the-dog-whistle-politics-of-race/

    “It comes out of a desire to win votes. And in that sense… It’s racism as a strategy. It’s cold, it’s calculating, it’s considered,” Haney López tells Bill, “it’s the decision to achieve one’s own ends, here winning votes, by stirring racial animosity.”

    Along with voter suppression and gerrymandering, the GOP use dog whistle politics to win elections.

    Who else would vote for a party that over the past four years has tried to overturn ACA and abortion rights more than 50 times each! Who else would vote for a party that cuts food stamps to millions of hungry children, cuts benefits to veterans and ends unemployment benefits to 2 million struggling middle class families (and that is increasing by 75,000 families a week).

    Yet when corporations pay their workers so little that they need to receive food stamps the voices on the right are silent. Walmart recently said that profits would be lower because of cuts to food stamps. The GOP may not listen to the people, but they will start listening to the Waltons.

    Ending all unemployment benefits after 26 will cost the economy 310,000 jobs by year’s end. Ending those unemployment benefits will also reduce GDP, but there is no outcry over that GOP economic brutality.

    GOP talk about ‘supporting the troops’. Except that ends when those troops get home. 200,000 veterans lost unemployment benefits when the GOP ended them in December. Paul Ryan

    GOP talk about ‘the children’ but that is just a smokescreen for their harming of children:

    In a typical month last year, 2.3 million children lived with a parent who had been unemployed for 26 weeks or longer, according to an updated analysis from the Urban Institute. That represents a threefold increase over how many lived in such a situation in 2007.

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/13/3156981/long-term-unemployment-children/

    A recent article stated “the number of Americans unemployed six months or longer surprisingly increased by 203,000 to 3.8 million in February.” That fact shoots a hole through the GOP theory that unemployment benefits contribute to unemployment.

    Yet the GOP end extended unemployment benefits.

    It doesn’t matter if it’s race, or calling on all unemployed moochers who need to be drug tested to receive paid-into benefits. It doesn’t matter if it’s calling food stamp recipients ‘takers’ as Mitt Romney opined. While trying to cut veteran’s benefits, Ryan said that it was “reform.”

    Yet when it comes to corporate welfare, it’s considered giving money to the ‘job creators’ even though the GOP gives these ‘job creators’ tax breaks to outsource jobs. When it comes to giving big oil billions in subsidies, GOP calls it ‘lowering gas prices’ even though there is no proof that’s the case. The GOP “pays about $20 billion in cash annually to farmers and farmland owners that primarily benefit corporate agriculture as well as several of the House Republicans who voted for cuts to the food stamp program.” Corporations are currently holding two trillion in profits offshore to avoid paying US taxes and the GOP supports that theft.

    It’s easy to read between the GOP racial and socioeconomic lines. If you receive help from the government as an individual you are a parasite, but if corporations receive government assistance, tax breaks and favored treatment they are considered free market contributors, regardless of the reality.

    The GOP needs to capture enough frightened white voters who have made big $$ from the stock market courtesy of Fed largess to the banksters and market makers to win control of Congress again, along with the disastrous results that will surely follow.

  7. Do you guys think all Americans are stupid ? When I was a kid it was the Western v Central v Eastern Europeans. Everyone was upset about that. Now it is inner city v urban areas, religious v non-religious, etc. Everything comes down to money. Since money is the determining factor & all three branches of government are awash in graduates of law schools pointing fingers at each other, perhaps that is the problem ? It is always some law graduate telling the rest of America what everything means. Most of these smart people make laws that they don’t understand – tax code for example. We hear about corporate lobbyists, but I’m told that a large number of lobbyists work for non-profits & are also seeking consideration for their charges. Stop this business of telling the people who fight the wars, pay the taxes, put up with gerrymandering being told they do not understand. Please

  8. The intellectual vapidity of your article is self evident in the first 2 sentences. Shame on you and all who engage in pathetic ad hominem attacks, and frankly, shame on Professor Turley, who seems, if nothing else, to have equanimity to all, for allowing this kind of tripe on his blog.

  9. Don’t you get it, Nick? It’s not about the ‘inner city’ it’s about blaming minorities and the poor for ruining America. The inner city only exists for the GOP to feed the base more rhetorical meat. White rural towns are falling by the wayside,

    “The latest 2010 census numbers hint at an emerging America where, by midcentury, city boundaries become indistinct and rural areas grow ever less relevant. Many communities could shrink to virtual ghost towns as they shutter businesses and close down schools, demographers say.

    More metro areas are booming into sprawling megalopolises. Barring fresh investment that could bring jobs, however, large swaths of the Great Plains and Appalachia, along with parts of Arkansas, Mississippi and North Texas, could face significant population declines.”

    But you don’t hear the GOP saying it’s because whites are not pulling their weight, or whites are not equipped to manage government, or whites are mooching too much from the system that it is bound to fail. No, GOP focuses on minorities and their supposed lack of character and ethics. It’s race baiting by any other name..

  10. Democrats control virtually every large city in the US. They have created these cesspools of depravity in inner cities.

  11. And, Obama has been disgracefully oblivious to the inner city plight. Just ask folks in the inner city.

  12. Me thinks you doth protest to loud. To not see the lack of motivation in the inner city is social blindness coupled with the disease of political correctness. A quick look at graduation rates speaks volumes, regardless of any political persuasions.

  13. how2, A culture that scoffs @ being well read and educated as “being white” is too self destructive to even fathom.

  14. In his 2012 Congressional race, Ryan took only 39% of the vote in his ward of the city of Janesville, where he lives. The people who know him best – his neighbors – don’t want him representing them.

  15. It’s obvious that Nick and his band have bought the Ryan race baiting message hook, line and sinker….Inner city = minority, bad, lazy, uneducated. non inner city = white, good, hard working, educated. I’m not protesting too much, I’m seeing how you are buy the GOP race card, but you don’t see it as being manipulated.

    2013: Twelve Months Of Fox News Race-Baiting | Media Matters for America http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/12/31/2013-twelve-months-of-fox-news-race-baiting/197377

    It’s not that ‘inner city’ America, rural America, suburban America doesn’t have issues that need to be addressed, its’the fact that the right focuses on only one sector – inner city – to make it’s race baiting points….

  16. While no fan of Rep. Ryan, his remarks mirror previous speeches by Obama
    and others concerned about the “culture” of fatherless homes. It is NOT racist to tell the truth about the link between poverty and out of wedlock birthrates. Currently at 73%, the black community is in clear and immediate danger of generational poverty. I wish those who breathlessly await the minority/majority would explain why that will be better for the country. There
    is NO demonstrable evidence whatsoever that it will be an improvement
    and much evidence that it will be worse. The progressives worship the mantra “forward” but I fail to see how the promotion of promiscuity, abortion,
    single mothers, government dependency and faithlessness are a better
    direction. The lower the standards the better the left seems to like it. Morals, integrity, patriotism, faith and the rule of law are being labeled
    “extreme”. Abject insanity and propaganda have taken over. BTW: It is
    the left who benefits from “plantation” mentality. Nothing the right would
    like better than to have every minority highly educated, skilled and
    prosperous. The right understands that prosperity and growth are not a
    zero sum game. Everyone benefits from excellence.

  17. http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/222389/real-media-matters/byron-york
    The Real Media Matters
    Byron York
    EDITOR’S NOTE: The controversy over Rush Limbaugh’s “phony soldiers” remark has brought new prominence to Media Matters for America, the left-wing media watchdog founded by former right-wing media star David Brock. Media Matters is an avowedly political institution, part of a group of institutions ­ the Center for American Progress, MoveOn.org, and others ­ that have become increasingly important in Democratic politics. In 2004, Byron York revealed the origins of Media Matters and the big Democratic party donors who helped Brock bring it to life.
    Susie Tompkins Buell was very, very impressed with David Brock. A California businesswoman who co-founded the fashion giant Esprit and went on to become a major donor to Democratic causes, Buell was in Washington last fall attending a meeting of friends and supporters of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton when she met Brock, the self-described former “right-wing hit man.” Buell listened as Brock, now a defector to “progressive” causes, presented plans for Media Matters for America, his new Internet-based project to monitor and criticize conservative media. In a short time, she was sold.

    “It just made so much sense to me,” Buell recalls. “All this garbage that’s coming out of the Right is like the worst contamination of this country. . . . He brought so much understanding of what goes on over there. He’s very articulate, and very, very bright.”

    After Brock’s presentation, Buell introduced herself and offered to hold a fundraiser for him at her home in San Francisco. Brock accepted, and at that gathering Buell introduced him to other potential contributors, whose donations would become part of the more than $2 million Brock has so far raised for Media Matters.

    Launched in early May, the organization says its purpose is to keep an eye on “conservative misinformation” in the American media. “Conservative misinformation,” according to the group’s mission statement, is defined as “news or commentary presented in the media that is not accurate, reliable, or credible, and that forwards the conservative agenda.” While in its first few weeks of operation Media Matters published attacks on the usual targets — Fox News, for example — Brock seems to be devoting particular energy to what he calls an “aggressive ad campaign” against radio host Rush Limbaugh.

    In addition to a series of critiques on the group’s website, Brock has produced a television commercial attacking Limbaugh for comments he made about the Abu Ghraib prison-abuse scandal. Media Matters spent $100,000 to air the spot on CNN, MSNBC, Fox, and a few other television outlets. Brock also commissioned Democratic pollster Geoffrey Garin to conduct a survey on a variety of media issues, including perceptions of Limbaugh. Among other things, Garin found that a majority of those surveyed believe Limbaugh often presents views that are biased, “rather than impartial and balanced.” Garin also found that a large part of Limbaugh’s audience is politically conservative.

    Conservatives — anyone, actually — might question whether such insights are worth whatever Brock paid for them, but the poll, together with Brock’s anti-Limbaugh television ad campaign, suggests that Media Matters is much more than a traditional media watchdog group. Indeed, it is probably more accurate to view Media Matters as part of the constellation of groups — the so-called “527” organizations, the voter-turnout group America Coming Together, John Podesta’s liberal think tank the Center for American Progress, MoveOn.org, liberal talk radio, and others — that have come together on the left in the last year or so, all aimed at electing a Democratic president this November.

    Certainly some of Brock’s donors see it that way. Leo Hindery Jr., a cable-television executive who contributes to Democratic causes, says he sees Media Matters as part of a coordinated action on the left. “I thought this was a piece of the puzzle,” Hindery says. “There are people like Mike Lux [a Democratic consultant who runs an important ad agency], who are into the strategy point of view, there’s Podesta, who’s into the think tank/intellectual side, and I think the third part of the triangle is David’s initiative.”

    Brock’s donors read like a Who’s Who of those who have financed the new, activist Left. Besides Buell and Hindery, donors to Media Matters include Peter Lewis, chairman of Progressive Corp., who has contributed more than $7 million to the 527s in partnership with his friend, the financier George Soros. There is Democratic activist Bren Simon, wife of shopping-mall tycoon Mel Simon, New York psychologist and donor Gail Furman, California philanthropist James Hormel, and others. Two anti-Bush organizations, the New Democratic Network and MoveOn.org, have also contributed to Brock’s project.

    In addition to his donor list, Brock’s staff at times resembles that of a political campaign. In the group’s K Street offices, there are a number of veterans of Democratic causes. One Brock aide did opposition research for the recent presidential campaign of Sen. John Edwards; another did the same thing for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee; yet another worked on the Wesley Clark presidential campaign; another worked for Massachusetts Democratic representative Barney Frank, and so on.

    Given all that, it seems fair to say that Media Matters is only partly about the media. It is also very much about defeating George W. Bush.

    Whatever its political orientation, Media Matters is what is known as a 501(c)(3) charitable organization, meaning it is tax-exempt and can accept tax-exempt contributions (similar tax-exempt strategies are used by groups on both the left and the right). But since Media Matters has just been formed, it does not yet have the formal structure in place to accept tax-deductible donations, so, like other new charitable organizations, it has had to form a “fiscal sponsorship” relationship with an existing charity, which is already set up to accept such contributions. For that, Brock turned to the Tides Foundation, a wealthy but little-known institution that funds a variety of left-wing causes.

    Finally, the creation of Brock’s new organization happens to coincide with his drive to publicize his new book, The Republican Noise Machine: Right-Wing Media and How It Corrupts Democracy. The book purports to tell Americans that the “verbal brownshirts” of the Right are far more dangerous than many believe. In Brock’s telling, conservatism is close to an all-powerful political movement, while liberalism, once formidable, now “seems a fringe dispensation of a few aging professors and Hollywood celebrities.”

    The right wing is so dominant, Brock writes, that even if Democrats win the presidency this year “they still face the prospect of being brutally slammed and systematically slandered in such a way that will make governing exceedingly difficult.” The brutal conservative noise machine will keep going, Brock warns, “until its capacities to spread filth are somehow eradicated.”

    Hyperbole aside, it should be said that some of Brock’s supporters genuinely believe such things. But at least so far, their faith in Brock does not appear to be shared by the mainstream press. Other than a friendly interview by the Today show’s Katie Couric, Brock has received far less attention for his new project than he received in 2002 when he published Blinded by the Right, the book in which he confessed to having lied in some of the stories he wrote for conservative publications in the 1990s.

  18. Study: Blacks with white friends are ‘less black’
    BY PAUL BEDARD | MARCH 21, 2014 AT 2:22 PM
    TOPICS: WASHINGTON SECRETS VINCENT GRAY WASHINGTON RACE AND DIVERSITY
    Photo – Former Washington, D.C., mayor and current city councilmember Marion Barry, left, embraces Mayor Vincent Gray during a media availability to announce Barry’s endorsement of Gray’s re-election bid in Washington on Wednesday. (Alex Brandon, AP)
    Former Washington, D.C., mayor and current city councilmember Marion Barry, left, embraces Mayor…
    When Washington, D.C., councilman and former Mayor Marion Barry this week said that whites need to be “more open-minded” about African-American politicians, claiming “blacks are more open-minded than” whites, he was suggesting that whites can’t do what blacks do — embrace the other race.

    But a new study of 212 black college students made available to Secrets found little open-mindedness: Blacks don’t like it when other blacks associate with whites, to the point of refusing help to an African-American experiencing “a run of bad luck” — just because they have white friends.

    The study in the April edition of the authoritative journal Social Psychological and Personality Science found the so-called “black code” alive and kicking, prompting blacks far more than whites to frown on one of their own if they associate with the other race.

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    “Having cross-race friends made black [examples] seem ‘less black,’” wrote two psychology scholars in their study of students at an unnamed historically black college. “However, having cross-race friends did not necessarily make white [examples] seem ‘more black.’”

    Authors Leslie Ashburn-Nardo of Indiana University-Purdue University Indiana and James D. Johnson of the University of the South Pacific said the findings could undermine efforts by blacks to push into the corporate world if they are concerned about how their African American friends perceive them. The reason: “Their success will inevitably involve close associations with whites.”

    They wrote: “Blacks sometimes strategically imply that they have connections to whites in an effort to increase their probability of success in the corporate world. Doing so may be a means of distancing themselves from negative group stereotypes or perhaps a ‘disarming mechanism’ to enhance their acceptability in the eyes of white employers or colleagues. Regardless of motive, such strategic out-group alignment may put blacks at risk for identity denial from fellow in-group members.”

    The study tested the “black code,” in which “relationships with whites must be kept at arm’s length maintaining a silent us against them mindset. Blacks who appear too friendly and comfortable around whites are viewed with suspicion; their blackness in question.”

    It looked at how the 1,200 black college students perceived racial identity of blacks with white friends, and also their empathy for blacks facing hardship who have white friends.

    The study found that the perceived racial identity of blacks with white friends dropped significantly. For whites with black friends, the differences were small.

    Testing empathy, the study offered somebody facing a “run of bad luck.” It found that the black students had far less empathy for a black person with white friends than a black person person with only black friends. “Violating the ‘black code’ undermined the often-observed robust effect of shared group membership on empathy,” said the study.

    The study is the first to spin off of others that have found that multi-racial people face discrimination from blacks for having white friends and associates.

    “Having cross-race friends elicited identity denial,” they wrote. “Although previous research largely focused on identity denial for multiracial or multinational targets, this research suggests that it can occur more broadly among black Americans who are seen by in-group members to have aligned themselves too closely with the advantaged white out-group.”

    Paul Bedard, the Washington Examiner’s “Washington Secrets” columnist, can be contacted at pbedard@washingtonexaminer.com.

  19. dagda,
    Askimet, your hungry spam filter grabbed it. I found it on page two. In the few seconds between the time you posted and I went looking for it, enough spams came in to drive it down the list to page two. Another minute and I probably could not have found it.

  20. Stephen Luftschein
    Attacking a man for being a racist is not an Ad hominem logical fallacy–it is attacking a man for being a racist. Paul Ryan is a racist.

  21. Gitany, the white right doesn’t have the market on patriotism. Nor do they on morals and integrity. My liberal progressive daughter serves in the Navy, has since 2002. She was deployed to Afghanistan during the Taliban attack that took place when Camps Leatherneck and Bastion in 2012. Plenty of black Marines were defending the Camps. She serves with plenty of African, Asian and Latino Americans who are also Democrats/ Progressives.

    Progressives do not promote what you say they do, THAT is itself propaganda.

  22. nick please tell me what democratic platforms were in support of ramping up the war on drugs , targeting almost exclusively black inner city communities, giving police practically free reign to profile, brutalize, and entrap first mostly adult black males and later youth? Tip (Mass.) immediately following Boston signed Len Bias death I’ll take, but I’m talking about as president or governor. Just because a city has mostly progressive voters doesn’t mean the politics that trumped the land at the time leaving many in single parent households were democratic policies. California definitely didn’t have a democratic governor during the LA riots. And as much as republicans love to throw around Chicago’s illegal gun statistics in light of a gun ban, you virtually ignore the fact that it borders Indiana, and stats in Gary are equally bad if not far worse per capita.

    The war on drugs destroyed much of the urban black community. Demonizing blacks who used cocaine less than whites, and putting out around the clock press on black related crack incarcerations. Then you have cities chock full of youth put on a school to prison pipeline. Suspended at rates far higher than their white peers from preschool age. Stigmatized and looked at by society as out of place and a threat any time they leave their areas or by many new entrants when their neighborhoods become gentrified, and assumed to be criminals when applying for jobs even if they have no criminal records. And Republicans of late have been more than happy to capitalize on fears and prejudice by continuing to foster such views and stereotypes of minorities, especially blacks.

    Go to any conservative website and read posters comments from Fox news to Drudge report. Listen to conservative radio. Half of the comments are deeply rooted in bigotry. Republicans claim blacks are racist because Obama won the black vote by a landslide, ignoring the fact that so did Clinton and most other democrats since Kennedy. Also ignoring the fact that he won every other minority group by a sizable amount including Latino, Asian, Jewish, and Women. Also ignoring the fact that your party has largely been regressing intellectually since Reagan. yes this is a long post. I don’t check or post often enough for the back and forth.

  23. cp7 – with a ‘zero tolerance’ policy blacks are suspended at a higher rate because they are breaking rules/laws at a higher rate. I know that the study on blackness is upstream some, but go back up and read it.

  24. The inner city poor ARE lazy! Why can’t they just take corporate kickbacks like Paul Ryan R-Wall St. does?

  25. cp7, The Democrats, led by Tip O’Neil, set up the draconian and racist Federal Sentencing Guidelines, making crack sentences much longer than powder. It took cooperation between Dems and Rep decades later to right the wrong done by the Dem legend, O’Neil.

  26. dagda what laws are they breaking at a higher rate when most arrests by far since the dawn of the War on Drugs have been for nonviolent offenses? Were they breaking them at a higher rate then? Nick wants to play the blame game of whose policies brought about the current situation in the black community, I say its largely the republican led crusade on the black community, the war on drugs. Are black preschoolers also breaking rules at rates 4x that of white peers?
    Maybe blacks have trust issues because people like you seem to largely ignore their plight or blame it on their ignorance rather than actually make an effort to understand it. The Education Department study on black stigmatization since preschool has been all over the news for the past week yet you seem oblivious to it. I read your study on blackness above. Why don’t you google “black preschool” to find out more about it. If you can’t empathize with or identify with people, why would they trust you? When you listen to leaders who have largely been content to demonize their children and make blatantly racist remarks about the president for the past 6 years, why would they listen to you? And if you associate with those who make public statements labeling them as subhuman mongrels, why would they associate with anyone who associates with you?

  27. I have spoken often about how destructive the War on Drugs has been to the ENTIRE country, particularly black/males. I also speak out destructive the mindset of being smart is “actin’ white.” I think that has been exponentially more destructive. I worked in the inner city in KC and Chicago. Most folks are afraid to even drive through black neighborhoods, detouring miles to avoid them. I am certain many liberals here fit that profile

  28. Giatny, Notice how liberals are simply mocking statements, putting up silly cartoons, and saying nothing substantive. They are the impediment to an open and honest discussion on race.

  29. Seems to me from my reading that the Occidental is a minority. In watching //CNBCworld.com it also seems to me that the Occidentals is a minority that has a lot of financial thieves in addition to Madoff & his ilk. We know the how & why of law school graduates, so what is the how & why of other professional school graduates. Lets have some science here, not all assumptions.

  30. Nick, I addressed Tip in my post above, look again. Republicans were quick to sign on board and promote his legislation as well, which was made in haste and ignorance at a time when Reagan was already heavily promoting the War on Drugs. This was reactionary politics from a Massachussets representative in response to the fact that all anyone was talking about in Boston at the time was the death of Len Bias to what was thought to be crack cocaine.

    Now that you’ve addressed the one point in my post I had already conceded, what about the rest of it? Your post makes it sound like republicans have been working awful hard to get those guidelines repealed.

    If we want to talk blatant racism in congress from that era, what about the Reagan Admin supporting Bob Jones University’s ability to receive federal tax cuts in light of an interracial dating ban. This was an about face from the Carter Administration and heavily backed by Republican Good Ol’ Boys Strom Thurmond and Trent Lott. It wasn’t until pressure due to the NAACP etc. highlighting the situation that the Reagan administration backed off.

    Tip was mistaken to listen to anything this administration had to say domestically. And in light of the circumstances he made a grave error, one that I see you’re more than happy to give him all the credit for.

  31. cp, Your assertion is a Dem created racist for political reasons and it was incumbent on Rep to pull their asses out of the fire. That’s ludicrous. It took both parties to finally right that wrong. Boston, Madison, Chicago, etc. the most Dem cities, are among the most racist, w/ Madison wearing a foam finger #1.

  32. The reference to Lee Atwater’s role in the Republican Party is spot on. Barkin Dog threw some Lee Atwater quotes up here on this blog. When Lee was still quite young he got a terminal illness He made some apologies. The New York Times wrote an article giving Lee’s apology and his role in the party of Ronnie Raygun and George H.W. Bush. Here is the article without the photos and ads:

    Gravely Ill, Atwater Offers Apology
    AP
    Published: January 13, 1991

    In a detailed and candid article about his career and his fight against an inoperable brain tumor, Lee Atwater has apologized to Michael S. Dukakis for the “naked cruelty” of a remark he made about the Democratic Presidential nominee in the 1988 campaign.
    The apology by Mr. Atwater, who is now in his last month as chairman of the Republican National Committee, is included in an article in the February issue of Life magazine, where he also starkly describes his often-desperate attempts to deal with his illness and his fear on some nights that if he falls asleep, “I will never wake up again.”
    As manager of Mr. Bush’s campaign, Mr. Atwater succeeded in making the case of Willie Horton, a convicted murderer, an issue against Mr. Dukakis.
    Mr. Horton, who is black, raped a white woman and stabbed her husband while on a weekend furlough from a Massachusetts prison. The Bush campaign used the case to portray Mr. Dukakis, then Governor of Massachusetts, as a liberal who was soft on crime.
    “In 1988,” Mr. Atwater said, “fighting Dukakis, I said that I ‘would strip the bark off the little bastard’ and ‘make Willie Horton his running mate.’ I am sorry for both statements: the first for its naked cruelty, the second because it makes me sound racist, which I am not.” Reputation as ‘Ugly Campaigner’
    Since being stricken last year, the 39-year-old Mr. Atwater has apologized on several occasions for many of the campaign tactics he once employed and for which he was criticized. But rarely has he spoken in such detail or with such candor as in the interview for the first-person Life article.
    “In part because of our successful manipulation of his campaign themes, George Bush won handily,” Mr. Atwater said. He conceded that throughout his political career “a reputation as a fierce and ugly campaigner has dogged me.”
    “While I didn’t invent negative politics,” he said, “I am one of its most ardent practitioners.”
    When the Republican National Committee meets in Washington on Jan. 25, it will ratify Mr. Bush’s choice of Agriculture Secretary Clayton K. Yeutter to become the new party chairman. Mr. Atwater will receive the title of general chairman.
    The Life article is accompanied by photographs that show Mr. Atwater today, his face swollen by steroids and framed by dark, curly hair. They are a stark contrast to earlier pictures of him, lean, grinning and jogging with Mr. Bush. ‘I Was Scared’
    In the article, Mr. Atwater also talked about the moment last March 5 when he was speaking at a fund-raising breakfast for Senator Phil Gramm, Republican of Texas.
    “I felt my left foot start to shake uncontrollably,” he said. “In seconds the twitch had moved into my leg and up the left side of my body. I was scared. I stopped speaking, grabbed at my side with one hand and clutched the podium with the other.”
    Mr. Atwater was rushed to the hospital and within days doctors determined that he was suffering from a tumor on the right side of his brain. His battle with cancer has continued unabated since that diagnosis.
    Mr. Atwater also described the change in his relationship with Ronald H. Brown, the Democratic national chairman.
    “After the election, when I would run into Ron Brown, I would say hello and then pass him off to one of my aides,” he said. “I actually thought that talking to him would make me appear vulnerable.
    “Since my illness, Ron has been enormously kind — he sent a baby present to Sally T.,” Mr. Atwater’s third child, who was born only weeks after he was stricken. “He writes and calls regularly — and I have learned a lesson: Politics and human relationships are separate. I may disagree with Ron Brown’s message, but I can love him as a man.”
    After the tumor was diagnosed, Mr. Atwater assigned friends and aides to research all aspects of the disease to help decide on the best course of treatment.
    “Our research and the further study of my scans kept us on a roller coaster of good news and bad,” he said. “Then, on March 21, we hit bottom.”
    It was then that he learned that the tumor was far worse than originally thought.
    He underwent intense radiation treatment in New York and listened to much unorthodox advice. 40th Birthday as Deadline
    “When a healer told me to get rid of my black T-shirts and start wearing red underwear, I obliged,” he said. “I tried massage therapy and actually felt the swelling in my brain go down.
    ” ‘Relax,’ said everyone, and so I listened to guided imagery tapes that helped me direct white light into the cancer. I welcomed the dream therapist who helped me realize that a recurring nightmare — I was jumping off a cliff into the ocean, but I always woke up before I hit the water — was about my inability to make the leap of faith that was necessary to face my mortality.”
    Mr. Atwater recalled that his goals in life had been to run a Presidential campaign and become national party chairman. He had also dreamed of becoming a blues musician. On Thursday, after the article was written, Mr. Atwater and the blues musician B. B. King were nominated for a Grammy for their joint recording.
    February “marks my 40th birthday — that deadline I set for achieving my life’s goals,” he said. “I lie here in my bedroom, my face swollen from steroids, my body useless and in pain. I will probably never play the guitar or run again; I can only hope to walk.
    “The doctors still won’t answer that nagging question of mine: How long do I have? Three weeks. Three months. Three years.
    “I try to live as if I have at least three years, but some nights I can’t go to sleep, so fearful am I that I will never wake up again.”

  33. cp7,
    Maybe if a frog had wings it wouldn’t bump its ass when it jumped. You are using a shotgun approach to this discussion. I have taught black students and have been to their homes. I have dealt with the drug problem in the high schools where it affects their grades.

    I think Obama is a twit and a worse President than Jimmy Carter. That has nothing to do with him being black. Actually, I consider Obama bi-racial, but in denial of his whiteness. I do not know anyone who considers blacks subhuman mongrels. I am aware of a lot of studies, but I have some 1000 articles that I wade through every day. I cannot read all of them, so I read the ones I am most interested in. That one was not one I was interested in. I am willing to bet that it is used to stop punishing blacks in schools in a reverse racism attempt by the Dept of Ed and the DOJ. This would not bode well for school discipline. Personally, I would like to see them stop punishing little boys for not being little girls. That would take care of a lot of the problems of blacks being punished. Just a different approach to a broader problem.

  34. Everything in moderation, including censoring our words for “moderation”. Of course if we were all moderates then we would be home watching basketball and not reading political blogs.
    “The British are Coming!” That needs some moderation, particularly if you take the verb the wrong way.

  35. “…culture, in our inner cities in particular, of men not working and just generations of men not even thinking about working or learning the value and the culture of work.”

    I assumed Paul Ryan was talking about Wall Street Bankers and other 1%ers who inherited their money and position and are parasites on the backs of working people.

  36. cp7,
    Strom Thurmond, that good ole boy, was a South Carolina Democrat. Remember it was the Democrats who fought against the Civil Rights Act. Thurmond only signed on when Lyndon Johnson said he would expose Thurmond’s black love child if he did not.

  37. Nick I’m more than happy to have an open and honest discussion on race (assuming I have time for it..honestly it is a very busy time and this could get very long). If we make this a strictly political issue however are you prepared to have the comments of Ted Nugent and other various wingnuts who’ve made blatantly racist statements, and have mainstream republican supporters including Roney Backmann and Palin, brought up from the dreggs of society?

    and Dagda I’m talking about Ted Nugent when I say subhuman mongrel. I’m not calling him one but this is what he labelled the president. As someone who first and only witnessed such a term being used by a KKK member on stormfront, used to describe blacks and jews I dont think he meant that just because he dislikes the man. Then you have republican politicians come out and support him.

    I don’t think all republicans are racist. I have quite a few open republicans as friends. I think many of them are misled or interested more in their pocket books, or issues like abortion than many of the issues I think republicans are dead wrong on. But I’m explaining where the lack of trust in the black community towards blacks who associate with whites likely comes from in these times. Following events like George Zimmermans acquittal (who may be a democrat but is largely supported by republican gun nuts), statements like those I pointed out from public personas promoting republican platforms, and a republican subculture that appears increasingly entitled and prejudiced (and is mostly made up of older white males), I’m really not surprised.

  38. dagda I realize Thurmond was a democrat. He also left the party in 1964. Civil Rights movement, JFK, LBJ etc. The democrats used to be the party that housed the southern white racists. Most of them fled to the republican platform as the democrats became increasingly liberal. That’s not all either platform is made up of. I’m just saying if an alien came to me and said he was looking for one, I’d probably tell him his chances are much higher if he checks the GOP convention.

  39. cp, Bringing up douchebags like Ted Nugent or George Zimmerman does nothing but inflame this discussion. You say “not all Republicans are racist.” I agree and say, not all Dems are racist. Black folk need to listen to the words of Malcolm X and expect no help from any white person, but to educate themselves, work hard, stay off of drugs and alcohol, and START THEIR OWN BUSINESSES in their own neighborhoods.

  40. Nick,
    I’m going to interrupt: Your comment to CP7 “Bringing up douchebags like Ted Nugent or George Zimmerman does nothing but inflame this discussion.” is very disingenuous. These are valid points made by CP and are the very reason many Rs are considered racists—they have worked hard to earn that moniker and they deserve it.

  41. The actions of the Democratic Party historically shows their racism. Their creation of the War on Poverty which enslaved blacks in the welfare system is continued evidence of their racism. The cycle continues with the ‘victimization philosophy’ of race baiters like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Yet they attack black conservatives because they aren’t ‘black enough.’ How racist is that. They are racist against their own race.

  42. Wayne, What purpose does it serve? The question is the plight of inner cities, a VERY serious issue. Ted Nugent is a buffoon. That point is conceded. I am not engaging in tit for tat bringing up buffoon Dems because the issue is too serious to play those silly and nonproductive games. They prevent the serious discussion of race that I SINCERELY long for.

  43. Nick,
    Yes the inner city problems are serious and I don’t see how they can be improved when one party views them through the prism of race, exemplified by the likes of Nugent.

    LBJ’s War on Poverty attempted to improve education and health care as part of a diverse action against poverty. Today we have Rs going out of their way to keep those in poverty from obtaining heath coverage. We have Rs attempting to eliminate public education by using Voucher Schools. Today Rs are attacking the poor instead of poverty and justify their abusive actions by using the blatant racism to appease their ill-informed base.

  44. Wayne,
    Do you know that voucher systems are wanted by black and Hispanic parents because they get their children out of low performing schools. There is no blatant racism except by Democrats who are trying to keep blacks and Hispanics on the ‘poverty plantation.’ DeBlasio (racist Democrat) is closing a primarily black high performing charter school just to pay off the teachers unions that helped elect him. He will close more if he can get away with it. Republican are very pro-charter schools were the money follows the student. It is free market education.

  45. annie,
    I am beginning to know you. You were probably a cheerleader or in pep club in high school. You have picked a side and you are cheering them on. We are now taking about the racism of the Democratic Party and what we should do about it. Which side are you taking?

  46. College Tells Girl Her Diploma from Charter School is “Worthless”
    August 21, 2013 | Filed under: Family,News,Politics | Posted by: Barry B.

    by Barry Burch Jr.

    When deciding where to send your child to school, parents take a lot into consideration, such as student teacher ratio, academic performance, extracurricular programs, but what about state accreditation?

    To be valid, a high school diploma must be issued by a school that is accredited, or approved, by the state.  If a school does not receive this accreditation, or have temporary charter, the diplomas it issues are virtually worthless.

    A Wisconsin Family found out just exactly what this means when their daughter applied to college and was told her degree was not valid.  Amanda Sheriff was told by Milwaukee Career College (MCC) that her degree was not valid because the high school she attended was not accredited.  While the school Amanda attended was chartered, it lost its charter shortly after she graduated.

    Thankfully, MCC was incorrect in its initial assessment, but it highlights a seemingly new area of concern for parents.  With so many choices between voucher, charter and online schools, parents are pushed to ask questions about a schools future plans regarding chartering and accreditation.  If Amanda had graduated the year after the charter was pulled, her degree would have been worthless.

    According to MCC, parents should inquire into school accreditation, and be particularly weary of schools that require payment and online schools.  MCC stated that these schools which are not accredited are not giving students the real code to college, and are providing them with little more than a piece of paper with “Diploma” etched on it.

    To avoid being scammed by one of these schools, Julia D’Amato, the principal at St. Anthony High School, one of the largest, private, Catholic voucher schools in the nation, says to visit the school, and ask to sit in on lectures, view the syllabi, etc.  Also, Ms. D’Amato suggests to look into your state school accreditation, and make sure your school survives the cut.

  47. Wow so many comments about race in the 21st century. I believe all grown ups are aware there are many more things in common than different about people with different skin color and culture. There are good and bad and a human mixture (near 100%) in all races and cultures.

    Now let us talk about things government can effect. Like economic concentration in a smaller minority. Better and more affordable education for our youth. Greater diversification of production. Less interference in the politics of other nations.

    I am not looking for a free ride. I am looking for a more level playing field, and greater opportunity for my children and grand children.

  48. Dagda, you couldn’t be more wrong. If you think you know me you are a poor judge of character and pretty much makes me suspect you are more the ideologue than I. I have a philosophy, one in which has propelled me toward liberalism. If someone here says something that resonates with me I will say so, if you not like it too bad.

  49. Answer me this: “Republicans are overwhelmingly non-Hispanic white, at a level that is significantly higher than the self-identified white percentage of the national adult population. Just 2% of Republicans are black, and 6% are Hispanic.” Republicans are basically non inclusive.

    One of the more important realities in American politics today is the substantial divergence in the racial and ethnic composition of the major political parties. Almost nine in 10 Republicans are white, in stark contrast to the racial and ethnic composition of the overall adult population. On the other hand, the Democratic Party is disproportionately nonwhite.

    The good news is that Republicans at their current demographic makeup will slowly, but surely lose influence as long as they don’t pass too many more voter suppression laws:

    A second factor that will affect the future of the political parties in the U.S. is straightforward demographics. Projections show that the nonwhite proportion of the American adult population will grow in the years ahead. This means that if current partisan allegiance patterns prevail, the size of the Democratic base will be in a better position to grow than will the Republican base.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/160373/democrats-racially-diverse-republicans-mostly-white.aspx

    Republicans can’t be 90% white and expect non-whites to think they are sensitive to their issues……

  50. Jamie,
    Oddly, Ds are getting more and more people into poverty so that they are dependent on the government and will therefore vote Democratic. That is racism at its worst. The unemployment of blacks and black teens is unacceptable and it is caused by the Obama administration. It is not the fault of the Republicans. You do not attack the poor by trying to get them out of poverty. You attack the poor by continuing to enslave them in poverty.

  51. https://www.au.org/blogs/legislative/school-vouchers-are-not-saving-kids-from-public-schools

    “Private school vouchers are being pushed by short-sighted leaders all around the country. About 20 states currently have some sort of private school voucher program and many state leaders intend to try to expand and create even more next year, despite the even further diminishing public support of vouchers.
    Proponents of vouchers often claim they will help children in high-poverty communities get out of failing public schools and attend private schools they otherwise wouldn’t be able to afford. The truth is: many voucher recipients are already attending these private schools.
    For example, voucher proponents reacted to a lawsuit challenging Louisiana’s private school voucher program with these dramatic headlines: Why does Obama’s Justice Department want to send poor, black kids to failing schools?; Justice Department bids to trap poor, black children in ineffective schools; and DOJ Tries to Stop School-Choice for Poor Children in Failing Louisiana Public Schools.
    These headlines could not be more misleading.
    In fact, recent data about the Wisconsin voucher program shows that only 21 percent of students receiving voucher attended a public school last year. In Wisconsin, private school vouchers are not “saving” kids from public schools – the vast majority of children accepting vouchers in Wisconsin were already in private schools, and the majority of children in public schools are staying there. The argument that vouchers will help “poor children trapped in public schools” does not hold.
    As we’ve said on this blog many times before, vouchers simply don’t work. Vouchers take away much-needed funds from public schools, which accept everybody, and put them towards private and religious schools, which only serve a few. These voucher schools lack academic accountability, civil rights protections (especially for children with special needs), quality control, and they violate religious freedoms by funding religious education with taxpayer money. Not only that, but voucher schools are free to reject students on a whim, taking away any real choice parents thought they were getting.
    Voucher proponents are hurting the population they claim to be helping. Many politicians push for vouchers because they have the illusion of creating a competitive marketplace of schools. This idea does not work in practice – removing resources does not make public schools better, instead it just leaves public schools and their most vulnerable students behind.”
     

  52. Wayne, “The road to hell is paved w/ good intentions.” The War on Poverty has been more devastating to the black community than the War on Drugs. We have thrown money @ the problems in the inner city. The Dem pols take their skim, the social workers get paid, the union teachers get paid, but the problem gets worse every generation. Again, black folk are going to have to take personal responsibility on an individual, family, block, neighborhood level. Cynical and good intended white people, w/ cooperation from a prison culture mentality, have created a downward spiral. The resentment is growing between black and Latinos. The Latinos who move here have a strong family, spiritual, entrepreneurial culture. Dems have tried to enslave Latino voters like they have black voters. It will never happen. They trend Dem but will never be in the 90-95% bracket.

  53. Nick,

    I’ve married into a Latino family and been involved with their community for decades. Your comments about enslaving the Latinos (or Blacks) is preposterous, perhaps that word provides you a sense of solace when you oppose assistance to those who need some help.

    This posting is about Paul Ryan’s racism, a man who wants to be President and leader of an entire Nation—not just rich white folks. I was in the Army during the mid 60s and perhaps that is one time when I did not witness overt racism. I’ve worked with and fought with Latinos and Blacks and I’m here to tell you they are the same as anyone else—and their blood is also red just like yours or mine. Latinos and Blacks have the same work ethic, same hopes and desires and the identical ability of anyone. All they need to demonstrate that fact is a fair and equal opportunity.

    In war, the enemy is often portrayed as something less than human—it makes it easier for young soldiers to kill them without a crippling remorse. (Although it doesn’t always work out that way, but that is the idea). Today we have one political party, or more egregiously a man running for President, who constantly uses and demeans minorities as a divisive issue in their quest for money and power. By making poverty the fault of those without jobs or food, makes it easier for you and others to deny them the basics of life. It also makes it easier for you and others to deny those with off-white skin an opportunity or equal chance in life by demeaning them as lazy, or criminals who only want to live off the hard work of others.

    Paul Ryan needs to explore the real inner city, the inner city of Wall Street Brokers, Bankers and others who constantly exploit the hard work of others by cheating, stealing and lying. These thieves wearing three-piece suits and tasseled loafers need people in poverty, they depend upon a working class of low wage earners who will be grateful for a few crumbs left on the table. The single only reason Madoff is in prison is because he stole from the rich and not retired grandmothers in Wichita, Kansas. It’s Wall Street that goes after grandmothers without one nanogram of remorse or regret.

    Paul Ryan’s racism stands against everything this country is suppose to represent: a fair and equal opportunity based upon one’s ability. Paul Ryan treats the poor, and by extension minorities, as the enemy who do not deserve help, compassion or empathy. Paul Ryan is a sociopathic disgrace who needs the warm embrace of his loving mentor: Ayn Rand.

  54. Dagda,
    You claim: …..”that voucher systems are wanted by black and Hispanic parents because they get their children out of low performing schools.” No they don’t and voucher systems don’t work. You encourage the myth of vouchers because it is one way to end public education and, of course, put that money into the hands of more deserving people—the upper class. Ending public education will help create a supply of un-educated people easily manipulated to accept low wages with zero benefits. Your comment about “It is free market education” tells me all I need to know about your true motive.

  55. I like Wayne’s 10:32 p.m. post above.
    The more I observe this Ryan weenie the more I dislike his snaky angles.

  56. wayne,
    You and annie have clearly drunk the union kool-aid on vouchers. I do not want to end public education. Do not pretend to speak for me. Let us look to Arizona. Arizona is the home of free market education. They have two school boards, one for public schools, one for charter schools. Competition from the charter schools, some of whom outscore the public schools on a regular basis is so high that public schools are opening their own to compete. Under performing schools have been closed.

    Within this is an alternative education model to deal with the students who have fallen through the cracks of the public school system. The ones the public school has historically under served. They are almost exclusively black and Hispanic. Imagine that.

    And Arizona is talking about adding vouchers for students who do not want to move to a charter school, but want to go to a private or parochial school.

  57. anonymously yours,
    When you cannot defeat the message, attack the messenger. Typical propagandist tactic. Sad to see you using it. Had higher hope for you.

  58. Wayne,
    Marrying into a Latino family does not make you an expert on their culture. You do not speak for the Latino community.

  59. Rep. Ryan is a disciple of Saint Ayn Rand:

    In a 2005 speech to a group of Rand devotees called the Atlas Society, Ryan said that Rand was required reading for his office staff and interns. “The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand,” he told the group.

    (Ayn Rand: Patron Saint of The Plutocracy – 4).

  60. Interesting that a man who claims to be a good Catholic and Christian credits Rand an alleged addict and atheist who relied on social security in her later years (because she needed it) as his guide. I suppose he missed the class in which the books Rand wrote were discussed as fiction. Of course he is also a man who has been “dependent” on the government his whole life who sees no irony in that. And this is one of our “leaders”?!

  61. dagda (or whoever)

    I never said I speak for the Latino culture, but when living within any community one gets a close look at their culture. For you or anyone to imply that Latinos are enslaved by Democrats is laughable and insulting. However, it does make for a wonderful strawman argument by avoiding the issue under discussion.

    No I haven’t drunk the union cool-aid on vouchers. Here is my dilemma: I have seen egregious lies perpetuated by Republican representatives usually using the same identical talking points—and by lies I mean bold face lies and not differences of opinion. Distortions, half-truths, obfuscation, lies by omission or any combination can be found when Republicans speak about evolution, creationism, gay marriage, climate change or any topic that they can use for divisive purposes. Pitting one group against another is their goal and how they win elections, that along with gerrymandering and voter suppression.

    I am to the point where I don’t trust or believe most anything said by Republicans. When once caught in a lie their words no longer have meaning or value. So when I hear Republicans talk about the wonders of school vouchers, or use phrases like free market education, my BS meter goes on high alert and I intuitively distrust their comments.

    If you would like one example of a frequent lie that is used by Rs it is in the area of climate change: a topic with which I have a passing interest. How many times have I heard Rs utter the non-sense that there are thousands of scientists who reject anthropological climate change? I’ve lost count. Maybe you can help: can you find one, just one, example of a peer reviewed study published in a recognized scientific journal that disputes man’s involvement in climate change? I don’t mean op-ed letters, or opinion pieces, I mean exactly what was mentioned: a peer reviewed study in a reputable journal.

    Maybe I can help with your research by suggesting you look at a report compiled by a respected scientist, James Powell. He, like me, got disgust

  62. Oops, accidentally hit the wrong key before I was through…..so let me continue here:

    James Powell……He like me got disgusted with hearing about all the scientists who reject man caused climate change. So he took it upon himself to do a literature research on this topic, using data bases available to any scientist. His review of all peer reviewed climate change papers started in 2012 and went back 21 years. He found that in 21 years there were 13,950 peer reviewed papers published on climate change. Of those 13,950 he found 24—-twenty-four—papers disputing man caused climate change. TWENTY FOUR.

    So when I hear about all those scientists publishing all those papers denying climate change, or man’s involvement in this change, then I know someone is lying or someone has not done their homework.

  63. As I often need help, casual labor of one person, to set up and take down rugs for my business, I run into a lot of people on disability that would probably work more if they didn’t get paid so well by the government. It seems to have really taken off in recent years and perhaps is not surprising when you consider the premise on which graduated income tax and socialism is based: Karl Marx, who came up with the highly unsustainable notion: To each according to his needs, From each according to his ability to provide. Result: Those with more needs than enterprise cash in for more and ‘never get better'; those who provide have less incentive to work. Result: More taxes for the middle class with a good work ethic to make up for the loss of many to the ‘needy’ side of the ledger. Along with corporate tax avoidance and buying better breaks and unfair deals from an increasingly strong government. Not a lot to do with race really though I’ve been in predominently white areas recently, like the Rockies. The biggest sham is ‘mental health’ where normal or slightly below average persons are fed drugs worse than heroin by government employed psychiatrists and their assistants. As long as they take the drugs, they never get better; they do get worse. The billion dollar industry of death and degredation definitely increases the burden of the middle class tax payer.

  64. Last year I watched several vintage YouTube videos of Ayn Rand interviews, one by Johnny Carson. I came away feeling dirty and wanting a shower.

    Then I watched several YouTube videos of Paul Ryan discussing Ayn Rand and came away with the same feeling of disgust. I haven’t checked to see if Ryan has had these videos purged, but if they are still there they make for an interesting perspective on this potential Presidential nominee.

  65. No dagda aka nick… Drinking is not the issue…. Should check for auto spell correct before posting…. But you’re so fun to play with…. A hamster on a wheel does produce some energy…. Albeit not much…

  66. Thank you Elaine…I won’t watch them again but based upon the thumbnail images they appear to be the ones I was writing about.

  67. Paul Ryan loved Ayn Rand, before he said he didn’t
    August 12, 2012
    |By James Rainey
    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/12/news/la-pn-vp-paul-ryan-ayn-rand-20120811

    Excerpt:
    Back in 2005, an up-and-coming lawmaker named Paul Ryan credited the polemical novelist and libertarian Ayn Rand as a central inspiration for his entry into public life. Ryan toiled in those days in relative obscurity, a well-respected but low-profile member of the House of Representatives.

    By the spring of 2012, the boyish congressman had become a Republican star, widely named as a possible vice presidential pick. He also had become considerably less comfortable being linked to the controversial Rand, an atheist with a tartly Darwinian world view.

    As Ryan and the Republicans look to define the new vice presidential choice’s brand, part of the commentary will be about just how Randian (read: unsympathetic to the weak) the candidate really is.

    Ayn (rhymes with “fine”) Rand wrote the bestselling “Atlas Shrugged.” She also encouraged the world’s “makers” to pursue “rational self interest” as “the highest moral purpose of [one’s] life,” while giving little care to the nefarious “takers.”

    Journalists who have recently written about Ryan suggested that his infatuation with the Russian émigré author, who died in 1982 at age 77, has hardly waned. The favorite son of Wisconsin has recently been insisting that his embrace of Rand amounted to a youthful infatuation. In an April interview with the National Review, Ryan said that the reports linking him to Rand were essentially “an urban legend.”

    “I reject her philosophy,” Ryan told Robert Costa of the National Review. “It’s an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview.” He added that he had merely “enjoyed a couple of her novels,” which also included another bestseller, “The Fountainhead.”

    But Ryan made no bones about his philosophical influences just a few years ago. He told the Weekly Standard in 2003 that he gave his staffers copies of “Atlas Shrugged” as Christmas presents. Speaking to a group of Rand acolytes in 2005, Ryan said, “The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand. And the fight we are in here, make no mistake about it, is a fight of individualism versus collectivism.”

    Even three years ago, Tim Mak of Politico noted, Ryan channeled Rand. “What’s unique about what’s happening today in government, in the world, in America, is that it’s as if we’re living in an Ayn Rand novel right now,” Ryan said. “I think Ayn Rand did the best job of anybody to build a moral case of capitalism, and that morality of capitalism is under assault.”

    But by the time he introduced his austere budget plan this year — calling for an end to Medicare as a mandate and its replacement for many Americans with a system of vouchers — Ryan was being depicted as a harsh absolutist. He did not need to be tied too closely to Rand and her sink-or-swim imperatives.

    Jonathan Chait, writing in New York magazine, suggested Ryan cannot slough off his connections to Rand’s thinking that easily. The journalist cited Ryan’s 2009 remarks about the immorality of government attacking productive members of society.

    “It is not enough to say that President Obama’s taxes are too big or the healthcare plan doesn’t work for this or that policy reason,” the lawmaker said. “It is the morality of what is occurring right now, and how it offends the morality of individuals working toward their own free will to produce, to achieve, to succeed, that is under attack, and it is that what I think Ayn Rand would be commenting on.”

  68. Those evil altruists.

    Phil Donahue also had an in depth interview with Rand, I came away from that feeling horrified that she actually thought it was evil. What a twisted person and philosophy.

  69. For me, the traditional/conventional notion of different human “races” is of profound biological and social error. While I do allow for different human races, those different races, I find that the only actual human races (id est, the ones that actually exist) tend to be named in ways such as, “100 meters” or “Quarter-mile.”

    Ask me my race, and I will say that I prefer to not race. Demand that I identify my race in terms of color, and I will assert that I am of the colored race. Press that issue on me, and I will assert that I have never met any human who was not of the colored race.

    I lived, and worked, in the Chicago, Illinois, “inner city” for many years, where I lived and worked with a diverse collection of other colored people.

    My heart is sick with exposure to the agonies of hatreds, self-hatreds projected onto others to preserve the insanely psychotic delusion that it is possible to measure the comparative worth of one human with the worth of any other human.

    When my contact with human social traditions becomes sufficiently life-threatening, there is a book in my library that I sometimes peruse, It is printed in both German and English, the title, auf Deutsch, Traum & Trauma: Werke aus der Sammlung Dakis Joannou, Athen. From page 11, authored by Angela Stief and Gereald Matt, in English, “What is dream and what is reality? This question has been asked for centuries, irrespective of all cultural boundaries.” That page, in English, is titled, “Art and Wound: On the Aesthetics of Dream and Trauma.”

    People who act out in the manner of Paul Ryan inform me about what it may be like to live imprisoned within a traumatic and traumatizing waking dream of unbearable innermost pain and agony.

    Art life art?

  70. Ayn Rand Railed Against Government Benefits, But Grabbed Social Security and Medicare When She Needed Them
    By Joshua Holland
    http://www.alternet.org/story/149721/ayn_rand_railed_against_government_benefits,_but_grabbed_social_security_and_medicare_when_she_needed_them

    Excerpt:
    January 28, 2011 | Ayn Rand was not only a schlock novelist, she was also the progenitor of a sweeping “moral philosophy” that justifies the privilege of the wealthy and demonizes not only the slothful, undeserving poor but the lackluster middle-classes as well.

    Her books provided wide-ranging parables of “parasites,” “looters” and “moochers” using the levers of government to steal the fruits of her heroes’ labor. In the real world, however, Rand herself received Social Security payments and Medicare benefits under the name of Ann O’Connor (her husband was Frank O’Connor).

    As Michael Ford of Xavier University’s Center for the Study of the American Dream wrote, “In the end, Miss Rand was a hypocrite but she could never be faulted for failing to act in her own self-interest.”

    Her ideas about government intervention in some idealized pristine marketplace serve as the basis for so much of the conservative rhetoric we see today. “The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand,” said Paul Ryan, the GOP’s young budget star at a D.C. event honoring the author. On another occasion, he proclaimed, “Rand makes the best case for the morality of democratic capitalism.”

    “Morally and economically,” wrote Rand in a 1972 newsletter, “the welfare state creates an ever accelerating downward pull.”

    Journalist Patia Stephens wrote of Rand:

    [She] called altruism a “basic evil” and referred to those who perpetuate the system of taxation and redistribution as “looters” and “moochers.” She wrote in her book “The Virtue of Selfishness” that accepting any government controls is “delivering oneself into gradual enslavement.”

    Rand also believed that the scientific consensus on the dangers of tobacco was a hoax. By 1974, the two-pack-a-day smoker, then 69, required surgery for lung cancer. And it was at that moment of vulnerability that she succumbed to the lure of collectivism.

    Evva Joan Pryor, who had been a social worker in New York in the 1970s, was interviewed in 1998 by Scott McConnell, who was then the director of communications for the Ayn Rand Institute. In his book, 100 Voices: An Oral History of Ayn Rand , McConnell basically portrays Rand as first standing on principle, but then being mugged by reality. Stephens points to this exchange between McConnell and Pryor.

    “She was coming to a point in her life where she was going to receive the very thing she didn’t like, which was Medicare and Social Security,” Pryor told McConnell. “I remember telling her that this was going to be difficult. For me to do my job she had to recognize that there were exceptions to her theory. So that started our political discussions. From there on – with gusto – we argued all the time.

    The initial argument was on greed,” Pryor continued. “She had to see that there was such a thing as greed in this world. Doctors could cost an awful lot more money than books earn, and she could be totally wiped out by medical bills if she didn’t watch it. Since she had worked her entire life, and had paid into Social Security, she had a right to it. She didn’t feel that an individual should take help.”

    Rand had paid into the system, so why not take the benefits? It’s true, but according to Stephens, some of Rand’s fellow travelers remained true to their principles.

  71. Wayne,

    … in 21 years there were 13,950 peer reviewed papers published on climate change. Of those 13,950 he found 24—-twenty-four—papers disputing man caused climate change.
    ================

    The formula to find percent here is: 24/13950 = x/100

    to solve for x:

    1) 24/13950 = 0.00172043

    2) 0.00172043 / 100 = x

    3) x = 0.17%

    That is seventeen one-hundredths of 1%, or eighty-three one-hundredths short of 1%.

    Only the math challenged would conclude that 99.83% of climate change papers does not constitute a consensus.

    Yet the deniers demand “balance” by whining that 0.17% be equated to 99.83% …

    Only one description for it in my book: psychopath math

  72. Why is it rafflaw that you don’t use your name on your posts? Why is it Mr. Turley that I’m required to provide my name and email address to post a comment, but your weekend contributors can hide behind an online name? How can we have a honest debate on issues if we hide behind online names? I note that there was not a single fact in rafflaw’s post, just a lot of emotional slander based on assumptions of Mr. Ryan’s character.

  73. Even if Paul Ryan is right that there is a cultural issue in the inner city that should be dealt with, that is NOT justification for his and the Republicans’ constant attempts to address that issue by cutting off subsistence money, food, Head Start, etc. in order to maintain and improve the status quo for the wealthy and for corporations. And that appears to be his only reason to even make his statement. He’s not offering any guidance to correcting the problem except to belittle people and see to it they have less opportunity for survival, let alone escape. He’s just flapping his gums to justify continuing to hurt the most vulnerable in order to protect his owners. I’m still waiting for all the flood of jobs the “job creators” were going to provide once they were able to keep their Bush tax cuts. Paul Ryan is just one more GOP lying POS.

  74. This is the first I’ve heard that Ryan refers to his mentor as “an urban legend.” That excuse may have worked 20 years ago but not today. The Democratic version of Karl Rove/Lee Atwater will have the time of his/her life if Ryan is the nominee in 2016. The ads almost write themselves. Wouldn’t a Ryan/Palin ticket be a hoot !!?? Or perhaps a Ryan/ Insert Name will be a lot of fun?

  75. RE: W. Page Glennie:

    This thread starts out with the following words:

    “Respectfully submitted by Lawrence E. Rafferty (rafflaw) Weekend Contributor”

    To the best of my observation ability, none of the weekend commentators post their thread-starting work with an anonymity.

    People make mistakes, so I have observed for about 75 years. To me, the making of a mistake and learning are the very same biological mechanism, the only difference that I have yet noted is whether someone likes, or dislikes, what is learned.

    Alas, punishing people for learning what may wisely be avoided in the future makes learning what may wisely be avoided in the future and how to avoid it an exercise of learned helplessness that only makes doing what may wisely be avoided vastly more likely.

    Perhaps there is a poetic justice aspect of that mechanism; if something is worth doing, surely it is worth doing poorly, that being so merely because whatever is worth doing is worth doing as well, or poorly as it can be done. Learning is sometimes sometimey like that, as I have long noted.

    It is not necessary to post under anonymity here, and rafflaw is not anonymous.

    An attorney, decades ago, informed me that, under the laws of Illinois at that time, any person could lawfully/legitimately use any name as long as the name used was not used for fraudulent purposes.

    Because people have contrasting life experience sequences which frame and form an individual person’s working model of internal and external reality, the contrasts among different people’s observations can help inform humanity of human errors that may merit recognition and correction.

    James Reason wrote a book which I experience as profoundly well-reasoned, Human Error, Cambridge University Press, 1990. Folks who live lives without any aspect of human error might, please, be kind and decent enough to inform the bumbling rest of us of their method?

    J. Brian Harris, Ph.D., P.E., Wisconsin Professional Engineer No. 34016-6

  76. To prove that I commit errors, my Wisconsin Professional Engineer license number is NOT “34016-6″; it is actually “34106-6″…

    One way that I realize that I am plausibly alive is my making mistakes, doing stupid errors, and, at least some of the time, recognizing that fact of my life.

  77. Wayne,

    Do you think Ayn Rand would have considered her acolyte paul Ryan to be a “moocher?”

    *****

    Government Programs and Taxpayers Financed Paul Ryan: He Didn’t Make It on His Own
    By Mark Karlin
    8/13/12
    http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/government-programs-and-taxpayers-financed-paul-ryan-he-didn-t-make-it-on-his-own/11664-government-programs-and-taxpayers-financed-paul-ryan-he-didn-t-make-it-on-his-own

    It’s been some time since it has been revealed that Paul Ryan, presumptive vice presidential candidate, paid for a good portion of his college tuition through social security.

    As Raw Story detailed in a 2011 article, based on a profile of Ryan in Wisconsin Magazine:

    Rep. Paul Ryan, the GOP’s most outspoken advocate for cutting and privatizing Social Security, has already benefited from Social Security himself, in the form of survivor benefits he received after his father’s untimely death.

    From the age of 16, when his 55-year-old father died of a heart attack, until he was 18, Ryan received Social Security payments, which, according to a lengthy profile in WI Magazine, he put away for college. The eventual budget czar attended Miami University in Ohio to earn a B.A. in economics and political science, and landed a congressional internship as a junior.

    Ryan’s congressional ascent, all the way to the top spot on the Budget Committee, began with his Social Security-funded college education.

    In addition, Ryan’s grandmother, a beneficiary of Social Security and Medicare, moved back into the Ryan family home when she was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s.

    No one, even Ryan, argues that young Paul returned all this government program money – the very programs at the epicenter of his plan for destroying their current structure and leaving seniors to the vagaries of Wall Street gamblers. Nor, now since he is in an adult in a better financial position due to having a taxpayer funded job, a wealthy wife, and an extended family business that has now prospered, not even now has Ryan offered to repay the government for the assistance his family benefitted from. (His mother almost certainly also received social security benefits when Paul’s father died.)

    In fact, Ryan’s family business is a prime example of one that could not have thrived without government assistance: in the form of roads that allowed it to move its heavy equipment from site to site, government contracts (it cites “highway interchanges and entrance roads” as one of its earth moving projects), and government zoning approval and incentives to businesses whose projects the Ryan Incorporated Central Works on. That, by the way, is only what can be gleaned in likely government financial benefits to Ryan’s extended family firm from their website. Lord knows what an actual audit would turn up in government money adding to the firm’s profit.

    But the biggest hypocrisy of Paul Ryan is that he has spent most of his adult life on the taxpayer payroll, first being elected as a US congressman in 1998, now serving his 14th year – and the favorite for a seat even if the GOP ticket loses because he is apparently going to run simultaneously for both VP and being re-elected congressman from Wisconsin’s 1st District, located on the Illinois border.

    What has allowed Ryan to become an inside the beltway and corporate media-accepted “bold thinker (when he is really an Ayn Rand economic terrorist) is his cushy taxpayer funded salary and benefits as a congressman since 1998. (He is only 42, so this has been his primary source of income for most of his adult life.) And this is what he gets from our taxes:

    The current salary (2011-2012) for rank-and-file members of the House and Senate is $174,000 per year….

    As it is for all other federal employees, congressional retirement is funded through taxes and the participants’ contributions. Members of Congress under FERS contribute 1.3 percent of their salary into the FERS retirement plan and pay 6.2 percent of their salary in Social Security taxes.

    Members of Congress are not eligible for a pension until they reach the age of 50, but only if they’ve completed 20 years of service. Members are eligible at any age after completing 25 years of service or after they reach the age of 62. Please also note that Members of Congress have to serve at least 5 years to even receive a pension.

    The amount of a congressperson’s pension depends on the years of service and the average of the highest 3 years of his or her salary. By law, the starting amount of a Member’s retirement annuity may not exceed 80% of his or her final salary.

    As for medical and insurance and healthcare, most Americans can only dream of the coverage Ryan has received because we pay for most of it. According to the Annenberg Public Policy Fact Check:

    Like other large employers, the government pays a large share of the cost of coverage. On average, the government pays 72 percent of the premiums for its workers, up to a maximum of 75 percent depending on the policy chosen. For example, the popular Blue Cross and Blue Shield standard fee-for-service family plan carries a total premium of $1,327.80 per month, of which the beneficiary pays $430.04. Washington, D.C.-based employees who prefer an HMO option might choose the Kaiser standard family plan. It carries a total premium of $825.15 per month, of which the employee pays only $206.29.

    In addition, members of Congress also qualify for some medical benefits that ordinary federal workers do not. They (but not their families) are eligible to receive limited medical services from the Office of the Attending Physician of the U.S. Capitol, after payment of an annual fee ($491 in 2007). But services don’t include surgery, dental care or eyeglasses, and any prescriptions must be filled at the member’s expense.

    House and Senate members (but not their families) also are eligible to receive care at military hospitals. For outpatient care, there is no charge at the Washington, D.C., area hospitals (Walter Reed Army Medical Center and National Naval Medical Center). Inpatient care is billed at rates set by the Department of Defense.

    That’s some fat deal on healthcare, pension, and salary that Paul Ryan has had since 1998 on the taxpayers’ tab.

    Ayn Rand, Ryan’s heroine, calls the poor parasites. Ryan champions the takers, sort of an adaptation of the master race as defined by whoever is a “taker,” a crusher of those who get in one’s way to the acquisition of vast wealth and power.

    Perhaps it is the supreme irony that Paul Ryan is the ultimate leech and parasite, living off the taxpayers’ hard-earned dollars.

  78. Paul Ryan: Randian poseur
    Mitt Romney couldn’t have chosen a better example of the fakery at the heart of today’s GOP
    Joan Walsh
    8/12/12
    http://www.salon.com/2012/08/12/paul_ryan_randian_poseur/

    Excerpt:
    Paul Ryan was born into a well-to-do Janesville, Wisc. family, part of the so-called “Irish mafia” that’s run the city’s construction industry since the 19th century. When his lawyer father died young, sadly, the high-school aged Ryan received Social Security survivor benefits. But they didn’t go directly to supporting his family; by his own account, he banked them for college. He went to Miami University of Ohio, paying twice as much tuition as an Ohio resident would have; the in-state University of Wisconsin system (which I attended) apparently wasn’t good enough for Ryan. After his government-subsidized out-of-state education, the pride of Janesville left college and went to work for government, where he’s spent his entire career, first serving Republican legislators and then in his own Congressional seat, with occasional stints at his family-owned construction business when he needed a job (reportedly he also drove an Oscar Mayer Wiener Mobile for a while).

    Ironically, Ryan came to national attention trying to dismantle the very program that helped him go to the college of his choice, pushing an even more radical version of President Bush’s Social Security privatization plan, which failed. He has since become the scourge of the welfare state, a man wholly supported by government who preaches against the evils of government support. He could be the poster boy for President Obama’s supposedly controversial oration about how we all owe our success to some combination of our own hard work, family backing and government support. Let’s say it together: You didn’t build that career by yourself, Congressman Ryan.

    Thus Paul Ryan represents the fakery at the heart of the Republican project today. It starts with the contradiction that Mr. Free Enterprise has spent his life in the bosom of government, enjoying the added protection of wingnut welfare benefactors like the Koch brothers. If Herman Cain is Charles and David Koch’s “brother from another mother,” as he famously joked, Ryan is the fourth Koch, swaddled in support from Americans for Prosperity and other Koch fronts. The man who wants to make the world safe for swashbuckling, risk-taking capitalists hasn’t spent a day at economic risk in his entire life.

    The other component of GOP fakery Ryan exemplifies is the notion that a pampered scion of a construction empire who has spent his life supported by government somehow represents the “white working class,” by virtue of the demographics of his gradually gerrymandered blue collar district. I write about this in my book: guys like Ryan (and his Irish Catholic GOP confrere Pat Buchanan) somehow become the political face of the white working class when they never spent a day in that class in their life. Their only tether to it is their remarkable ability to tap into the economic anxiety of working class whites and steer it toward paranoia that their troubles are the fault of “other” people – the slackers and the moochers, Ayn Rand’s famous “parasites.” Since the ’60s, those parasites are most frequently understood to be African American or Latino – but they’re always understood to be the “lesser-than” folks, morally, intellectually and genetically weaker than the rest of us.

    Today, though, the “parasites” Republicans rail against also happen to be white. Ryan’s intellectual soulmate Charles Murray, of course, has shown that the struggling white working class is now besieged by the same bad morals that dragged down African Americans – laziness, promiscuity and a preference for welfare over work. Ryan himself rails against the “takers” who are living off the “makers.” And while in the realm of dog whistle politics, many Republicans hope working class whites still see the takers as “other,” in fact, Ryan’s definition of “taker” includes much of the GOP base. It’s up to Democrats to make that plain to the electorate.

  79. W. Page Glennie,
    As Elaine and Brian Harris informed you, I have my name on the top of the article and there is a link to bios for the weekend contributors.

  80. Wow, Rafflaw, you sure got everybody going! It’s great fun watching Elaine and Annie of WI lobbing the ball over Nick Spinelli’s head, and his reaction to not being able to play with the big kids.

    Nick says: “Notice how liberals are simply mocking statements, putting up silly cartoons, and saying nothing substantive. They are the impediment to an open and honest discussion on race.”

    Substantive as in “bippity bobbity boop?”

    Nick, your attempts to blame democrats and liberals for inner city turmoil can’t be taken seriously by anyone sane. I think the honest discussion for which you are looking would more likely be found at Free Republic. Don’t miss the Freepathon!

  81. Survivors benefits are based on money your parent put into the Social Security program. This is not free money the government is giving you. When my father died his survivor’s benefits paid a minimal amount (it only covers three children at a time and we had six) and it was really not enough to survive on. When I turned 18 my survivor’s benefit went to my sister. From personal experience I can tell you that Ryan did not bank a lot of money.

    Condemning someone because they went away to school is just plain envy. I have gone away to school and the experience was incredible. I recommend it to everyone, even if they can only afford a year. I had the son of the finance minister of Peru rooming on one side of me and a Navajo medicine man rooming on the other. I would have never gotten that experience if I had gone to a state school.

    It is nice to see Salon out itself as a Democratic operatives source of information.

  82. dredd,
    The exposure of the Michael E. Mann emails showed that global warmers had/were systematically taking over the editorial boards of scientific peer-reviewed journals so they could control who was peer-reviewed and who wasn’t. Critics of global warming were not allowed a platform. They actually were censoring the critics of global warming and then using that censorship against them. Unethical and immoral in my book However, from a pure villainy standpoint, nicely done. That is why there are few ‘peer-reviewed’ criticisms of global warming.

  83. Paul Ryan Is the Newest New Nixon, a Moocher Belied
    By Charles P. Pierce
    August 30, 2012
    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/paul-ryan-convention-speech-12188956

    Excerpt:
    TAMPA, Fla. — I think it was when he went to tears, one dab at each eye, while talking about his mother, that it became extraordinarily clear to me that there’s a lot of old Dick Nixon in young Paul Ryan, the zombie-eyed granny-starver from Janesville, Wisconsin. It was always floating around the edges of my perception as I listened to his well-crafted, competently delivered, and virtually substance-free acceptance speech on Wednesday night. There was the crass connection to “the working men and women,” like himself. The way his voice drops and his eyes glow when he starts talking about the America in which he grew up, where he flipped burgers and washed floors and dreamed very big dreams. There is the obvious effort to… connect, a gift for a simulacrum of empathy that is just inches away from actual sincerity, but which sells on the screen like someone who truly cares about you, his fellow struggling Americans. But it wasn’t until he started tearing up that it all came together for me.

    The difference, of course, is that Nixon was deeply, authentically marked by deep and authentic poverty and deprivation. He came by his ultimately self-destructive neuroses honestly. He earned every wound that he imagined the smart people of the world — the Jews, those damn Kennedys — had inflicted on him. He actually worked a job outside of government, and outside the Washington universe of government-dependent think tanks. He once actually had to earn a living. Paul Ryan hasn’t lacked for a job since he left college as the golden child of Wisconsin Republican politics, riding his family connections into a job with then-Senator Bob Kasten.

    When Paul Ryan is really working Nixon’s side of the street, he talks about how his father died when he was a teenager, and about how his mother rode the bus to Madison, and he’s trying to wring the same notes from the biographical tin-piano that Nixon could play like Van Cliburn. However, when Ryan turns the phrase, “I still live on the same block where I grew up,” he doesn’t mention that he happens to live in a 5,800-square-foot mansion that is listed on the National Register of Historic Places. No good Republican cloth coats in the Ryan closet, that’s for sure. Richard Nixon would have resented this upstart on sight, and not just for stealing his act. He’d have had Bob Haldeman on Ryan’s ass by morning…

    More to the point, during the whole time Paul Ryan was on his own path, his own journey, the American journey where he could think for himself, decide for himself, and define happiness for himself, every rough road was made smooth by his reliance on Social Security survivor’s benefits that came to his family upon the death of his father. At least Chris Christie had the self-awareness to mention the G.I. Bill on Tuesday night, when he was talking about his father. The assistance that young Paul Ryan got from “the central planners” as he rose from Janesville, through Miami of Ohio, and to a career in which he never has had a job that wasn’t inside, or very close to, the national government was not even acknowledged. He knows, in his Randian soul, that he once was a moocher, that in many ways he remains a moocher, and perhaps it galls him just a bit. It eats at him, the way Richard Nixon’s childhood poverty was wormwood in his soul. That’s where the connection lies. Paul Ryan is the newest new Nixon and, don’t kid yourselves: He’s a lot better at it than the old one was.

  84. From where I sit, it seems easy enough to make the case that both major political parties are racist. Democrats seem to view black people as being too ignorant or inferior to live without the help of enlightened white people to help them. The whole idea of identity politics embraced by Democrats is sexist and racist – it is also very divisive.

    On the other hand, the GOP seems to love and embrace black conservatives. It may be that it is not black people they dislike, but rather voting blocks that are their political enemies. Blacks, as a voting block, seem to overwhelmingly vote for Democrats. The unions representing government workers and teachers also tend to support Democrats. Nobody believes it is because of race that the GOP hates these unions. So, it could very well be that it is not race that the GOP dislikes about black people, despite the race card rhetoric of the Dems, it is just merely politics.

    Perhaps Ryan the Boy Wonder of limited BIG government is merely projecting when he talks about big city folks being lazy. After all, he does live in DC where the laziest and richest assholes in the world live. Has Ryan done an honest days work since 1999 when he went to DC? He is the personification of the Republicrat Washington insider along with the “leaders” of these scumbags, right and left. They don’t work, they fabricate lies, dispense favors, and hustle for cash.

  85. As best I can tell here Charles Pierce does not like people who come from money, so he is against the majority of Democratic Senators. How odd!!! And for those who don’t live in apartments, a 5000 sq ft house is not all that big. Just ask the Kennedys, or Al Gore, or John Kerry. They laugh at 5000 sq ft. Their bathroom is bigger than that.

  86. “When you got ’em by the balls, their hearts and minds are sure to follow.”

    Chuck Colson

    Actually, Chuck did get his mind right in prison and has dedicated his life to prison ministries.

  87. dagda:

    didnt the Kennedys inherit their money? Al Gore too and didnt John Kerry just marry a rich republican’s widow [Heinz inherited his too].

    All of them were on “welfare” too.

    We need regular people in government or at least rich ones who came up the hard way and know what a dollar can do.

  88. nick spinelli

    “When you got ‘em by the balls, their hearts and minds are sure to follow.”

    Chuck Colson

    Actually, Chuck did get his mind right in prison and has dedicated his life to prison ministries.
    ==============
    His mind was right before prison.

    That is why he went there.

    His mind was still right after prison.

    And still wrong.

    Like the other whores for Cheezus, all interrupted like the rest of us at one time or another, with death.

  89. Byron

    dagda:

    didnt the Kennedys inherit their money? Al Gore too and didnt John Kerry just marry a rich republican’s widow [Heinz inherited his too].

    All of them were on “welfare” too.

    We need regular people in government or at least rich ones who came up the hard way and know what a dollar can do.
    ============
    When did you get into the Chuckie’s in Love rumor tour?

  90. Joe Kennedy earned his money the old fashioned way – liquor smuggling. Al Gore, Sr was a politician who may or may not have left enough funds to start Al, Jr off. And John Kerry deserves every dime he got from marry Theresa Heinz.

  91. dredd,
    I think we need term limits in national politics. Welfare as you use the term is very broad. If my parents die and leave me money it appear that under your definition I would be taking welfare. I cannot agree with your definition. I do not think that the Kennedys, Gore or Kerry were/are on welfare.

  92. This blog is a huge joke. I have never heard so many ridiculous statements from supposedly, “intellectual people.”
    I am a conservative, and guess what, I work with the poor and needy.
    ~ I’ve seen those who are trying very hard to become self-responsible and independent, but they’ve run into a jam and need a handout. On the other hand, I’ve seen those who just want a handout.
    ~The people I work with come from every race and creed–not just black.
    ~Some are so grateful and will listen to advice to get them out of poverty. Some don’t want to listen, they’re comfortable receiving any aid they can get.
    ~I’ve also taught in a diversified demographic school. 80% of the students received a free lunch. This gives you the idea of socio-economic depressed area I taught in.
    ~Most immigrant children came from families who worked hard.
    ~Importance of education dependent on the importance a certain culture placed on their children education.
    ~Many American children in low socio-economic families cared very little about getting a valuable education, and their families seldom took an interest in seeking help and tutoring for their child.
    ~There is a definite problem with our welfare programs. Handing out more welfare is not going to solve or even improve the problems we face.
    ~Blaming the wealthy corporations isn’t going to solve/improve the problem.
    ~These people need systemic change in the way of approaching their low income family problems. I suggest that each person who has argued on this blog, get involved in some program that will help these people and our country out of this whole.

  93. I was an at risk student in the inner city. I did my part to make some teachers think they were making a difference. But, my favorite teachers were the ones that partied with us and encouraged artistic pursuits. They were involved in a personal way and didn’t view students as pawns in a social experiment that they were separate from.

  94. Some person on here once said that Ayn Rand was Rand Paul’s mother. Since then I took that as gospel. Today at church I was told that this is not true– that Rand Paul is the son of some Ron Paul guy from Texas and that Rand comes from McNally or some such. So if Rand Paul is not the son of Ayn Rand then where does he get his politics? He does not talk like daddy.

  95. partying with a student in this state is a firing offense and I know at least one teacher who was fired for doing just that. I did do the artistic thing though, if that makes you feel better Tom. :)

  96. Giovanna De La Paz

    I understand where you are coming from and in many respects I agree with what your observations have been. You are correct that working with the people you have described does give a better perspective than those who have not in some respect and have seen the issue strictly from an outside view.

    One thing that I might add is that the blog is not always held to being completely of a certain image as portrayed by some of the commentators or we weekend contributors individually; or for that matter our host absolutely. There are widely differing points of view here and our host has mentioned numerous times here that he welcomes differences of opinions voiced.

    In fact it would be rather boring to see this or any civil rights blog become one sided as it becomes rather dull listening to the same perspective over and over, it is like only wanting to see one’s self and hear one’s voice.

    your contributions to the blog here are welcome and appreciated.

  97. Paul Revere: I sincerely hope you’re kidding about not knowing who Ron Paul is. If not, I hope you aren’t registered to vote

  98. Giovanna: Not sure what you’re talking about regarding welfare handouts. They don’t exist anymore – that’s a simple fact. Remember Clinton declaring in a State of the Union address that welfare “no longer exists” as we knew it.

    Assistance programs take up an infinitesimal portion of the budget. Tiny, in fact.

    That’s not to say that fraud is justified or excusable; fraud is wrong, no matter who commits it and I, for one, would never excuse it.

    However, corporations receive way more than they deserve; they are the real takers in this society. And they receive far more in government services in proportion to population of the United States. For instance, it’s been years since I’ve been in a courtroom for any reason, but the average Fortune 500 company is court every day of the week, often in different courthouses. Yet, a portion of my tax dollars goes toward keeping the lights on in those nice climate-controlled courtrooms. Corporate America wants me to foot most of the cost, if not all of it.

    Blame Big Corporate? They’re calling the tunes and dancing us off the cliff

  99. Giovanni, You understand the goal of Mr. Turley better than most. It takes vigilance to prevent a blog becoming an echo chamber. You’re a great addition. Hopefully you always belly up to the bar and speak your mind.

  100. I have read about all the racist crap I ever imagined could exist in a blog. Actually, there is more crap in this blog than there was in my Grandma’s cow pasture. This is nothing but an attempt to put down the Republican Party and assassinate each person you are afraid might run for president. Well keep telling yourselves how racist Paul Ryan and the rest of the Republican Party is and someday you may believe it. No one with a brain believes the lies the democrats spew anymore. The biggest racist is Barac Obama and close by is Mrs. “I’ll Stand By My Man” Clinton. YOU NEED NEW MATERIAL AND NEW BLOOD IN YOUR RANKS, THAT IS WHY THE DEMS WANT OPEN BORDERS. NONE IS MORE RACIST NOR IS THERE ANY ONE ON THIS PLANET THAT CAN BUY MORE VOTES THAN THE DEMS.

    Well you got your King and you got your Health/Tax plan and you still blame everything on republicans. Get a new angle. You bore me. Obama is Racist, Hilliary is racist, every drone who is democrat is so full of themself they come off like brainless idiots. Get a life.

    A lot of Republicans voted for the “Great Oz” but he has turned out to be a fake (sound familiar) The Republicans/right wanted to prove to the Dems that it was time for a Black man to be President and hopefully the racist crap would finally be put to bed, but the chosen one has proven himself to be all talk and no action. And his minions are as racist as he. He truly is nothing but an orator and a liar and seems to enjoy the sound of his voice, spending endlessly and putting so many restrictions on our businesses that they have to go “Out of Business………………………….As the Bible says, people who think they are wise, are the fools in the world. (paraphrase) I for one believe it.

    My, how you need new material and new blood in your ranks. So enjoy the Republican bashing as we only laugh at your rantings. Ryan is not the one who will get the votes in the Republican party anyway. Pick another to crucify. Seems the good ones are the ones the public wants to crucify anyway…………….. Oh,I forgot, none in your racist party are good enough to be crucified, but they certainly can corrupt a government and blame it on someone else. I’m done reading this pile of dung. Enjoy your rantings.

    PS.: Schulte hang in there yours are the only sane notes I read.

  101. AuntieM: Are you related to Nick somehow?

    As someone who frequently votes Democratic, I hope Paul Ryan runs for national office; he’d be soooo easy to defeat.

    First, he has issues with telling the truth. Then there is the severe waffling. There is his ardent affection for Ayn Rand. And that’s before we get to the fact that he got to where he is today as a result of receiving social security benefits at an early age.

    There is an inherent unfairness in Paul Ryan’s plan to eliminate SS would 45-50 year old out in the cold, essentially taking away their benefits at a point in their lives when they are extremely vulnerable. It would also ensure that much of this population would have to remain in the workforce, competing with younger workers for fewer jobs.

    And if accountability and responsibility mean anything in Republican jargon, Ryan still has yet to explain why he ran out the backdoor of his office in order to avoid angry constituents gathering for a townhall meeting, rather than stay and address his concerns. The people he ran out on were farmers, retired people and the elderly, hardly a group of rabble. Ryan’s actions on that day were nothing short of cowardly.

  102. rtc,
    regarding your claim that Clinton declared that “welfare no longer exists” as we knew it. Well, it still exists. And it is still used by the Democratic Party to enslave voters. True, welfare recipients no longer get excess chess or peanut butter (which is said because they were really really good). They just switched over to a credit card and added more people.

    could you send me to a site that shows that Ryan ran out on constituents. I can tell you I have seen videos of several Democrats doing this or packing the crowd to protect themselves.

  103. I am 56, I would gladly not take SS if they stopped making me pay today. They can have the money I already put in over the last 30 plus years. Just let me live in freedom.

  104. Dagda… Nick….

    If you are not one in the same I apologize….you sound like you’re cut from the same cord…. But hey…if I am wrong I apologize….

  105. AY,
    You and RTC sound alike, too. Are you cut from the same cord? And Elaine M. and annie could be twins separated at birth? Is this relation thing a new theme??? Are we going to do Six Degrees of Separation from Barack Obama?

  106. dagda:

    You are right, Your last post, showed me you are not one of the herd. I may have misjudged you. However, why argue with Obama’s drones? Unless it is for the sake of arguing.

    Elaine: Thanks for the video on Ayn Ryan……………… I listened to the entire video, Very wise woman. I think I will read the books now. By the way, when one has to use snippets so that the complete answer to a pointed question is not heard, it proves only that the person using the snippet cannot handle the truth and does not want the full truth to be known proving only one thing. Obama has a lot of mindless drones who can’t handle the truth.

    Pete: RE: ” don’t you worry now, aunty m. now that you can get obama care they’ll get the dosage worked out on your meds real soon.”

    Does it matter that I am 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 or older? Since when does one have to reveal age to blog? For the record: I am of sound mind, don’t drink, smoke, or do drugs, legal or illegal. Never used illegal drugs, I have more respect for the body my Lord game me. Bet my medicine cabinet has less in it that yours. Mine is legal though. Better health, than most of the 30 year old generation. One good thing, I have had a very interesting life and lived thru more than most, a plus for me. I am also an Aunt dubbed the name Auntie M by a niece.

    RE: Healthcare…………….. I feel sorry for those on Obama care. You really got scammed there or are you one who is getting a pass OR are you receiving some of the Perks our self appointed King gives his minions? No need to answer, Oh yes and I believe in JESUS too, guess that makes me unsuitable for posting huh?.. I think I answered your question adequately. I already know about your age group. Sad as it seems, they are just waking up to the fact that their “Savior” stuck it to them too. Odd, this blog tells me that there are a lot more that still have their eyes closed.

  107. Inner city culture is a problem for the people in the inner city. Don’t you care about them? White or black, it is a culture that has problems And all people want to do is call other people racist rather than helping those people in the inner city who need help.

  108. Paul Ryan, Culture and Poverty

    by Charles Blow

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/22/opinion/blow-paul-ryan-culture-and-poverty.html?_r=0

    “But this is in part the problem, and danger, of people like Ryan: There is an ever-swirling mix of inspiration and insult, where the borders between the factual and the fudged are intentionally blurred and cover is given for corrosive ideas.

    Ryan is “one of the good guys,” a prominent Republican operative explained to me last week. Maybe so, but even good people are capable of saying and believing bad things, and what Ryan said was horrific.”

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