Coalition of Journalism Groups Denounce Obama Administration for “Politically-Driven Suppression of the News”

100px-Society_of_Professional_Journalists_logoPresident_Barack_ObamaWe have previously discussed the attacks by the Obama Administration on civil liberties and privacy. Obama has also been accused of attacks on press freedoms — resulting in a sharp decline in the standing of the United States on press rights. Now 38 journalism groups have denounced the Obama Administration for censoring media coverage, limiting access to top officials and overall “politically-driven suppression of the news.”

The letter to President Obama is led by the widely respected Society of Professional Journalists. The media has previously denounced the Nixonian surveillance on individual journalists ordered by this Administration. The letter singles out Obama’s breaking of his campaign pledge to have the most transparent Administration in history. Instead, the Obama Administration has equalled or even surpassed the Bush Administration in secrecy and hostility to public or press access to information. While cutting of access of the media, however, these media organization accuse the Obama Administration of giving wide access to lobbyists, special interests and “people with money.”

Once again, the White House has a virtually army of commenters and blog surfers who continually deflect such criticism by referring to how much worse the Republicans are or simply changing the subject. However, the mounting attacks on civil liberties by this Administration has gutted the foundational principles of the Democratic party and virtually destroyed the American civil liberties movement. What is left the power of personality over principle. However, this will not our last president. When he leaves, he will leave little in his wake beyond hypocrisy for those who have remained silent in the face of the abuses. It is the victory of the “blue state/red state” construct that maintain the duopoly of the two parties. Each party excuses its failures by referring to the other as the worst of two evils. For years, Democrats and liberals have supported Obama as he has attacked the defining values that were once the Democratic party. The fact that this letter is even necessary is a shocking statement on the state of American press freedom.

The letter is below:

President Barack Obama
The White House
Washington, D.C
July 8, 2014

Mr. President,

You recently expressed concern that frustration in the country is breeding cynicism about democratic government. You need look no further than your own administration for a major source of that frustration – politically driven suppression of news and information about federal agencies. We call on you to take a stand to stop the spin and let the sunshine in.

Over the past two decades, public agencies have increasingly prohibited staff from communicating with journalists unless they go through public affairs offices or through political appointees. This trend has been especially pronounced in the federal government. We consider these restrictions a form of censorship — an attempt to control what the public is allowed to see and hear.

The stifling of free expression is happening despite your pledge on your first day in office to bring “a new era of openness” to federal government – and the subsequent executive orders and directives which were supposed to bring such openness about.

Recent research has indicated the problem is getting worse throughout the nation, particularly at the federal level. Journalists are reporting that most federal agencies prohibit their employees from communicating with the press unless the bosses have public relations staffers sitting in on the conversations. Contact is often blocked completely. When public affairs officers speak, even about routine public matters, they often do so confidentially in spite of having the title “spokesperson.” Reporters seeking interviews are expected to seek permission, often providing questions in advance. Delays can stretch for days, longer than most deadlines allow. Public affairs officers might send their own written responses of slick non-answers. Agencies hold on-background press conferences with unnamed officials, on a not-for-attribution basis.

In many cases, this is clearly being done to control what information journalists – and the audience they serve – have access to. A survey found 40 percent of public affairs officers admitted they blocked certain reporters because they did not like what they wrote.

Some argue that controlling media access is needed to ensure information going out is correct. But when journalists cannot interview agency staff, or can only do so under surveillance, it undermines public understanding of, and trust in, government. This is not a “press vs. government” issue. This is about fostering a strong democracy where people have the information they need to self-govern and trust in its governmental institutions.

It has not always been this way. In prior years, reporters walked the halls of agencies and called staff people at will. Only in the past two administrations have media access controls been tightened at most agencies. Under this administration, even non-defense agencies have asserted in writing their power to prohibit contact with journalists without surveillance. Meanwhile, agency personnel are free speak to others — lobbyists, special-interest representatives, people with money — without these controls and without public oversight.

Here are some recent examples:

• The New York Times ran a story last December on the soon-to-be implemented ICD-10 medical coding system, a massive change for the health care system that will affect the whole public. But the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), one of the federal agencies in charge of ICD-10, wouldn’t allow staff to talk to the reporter.

• A reporter with Investigative Post, an online news organization in New York, asked three times without success over the span of six weeks to have someone at EPA answer questions about the agency’s actions regarding the city of Buffalo’s alleged mishandling of “universal waste” and hazardous waste.

• A journalist with Reuters spent more than a month trying to get EPA’s public affairs office to approve him talking with an agency scientist about the effects of climate change. The public affairs officer did not respond to him after his initial request, nor did her supervisor, until the frustrated journalist went over their heads and contacted EPA’s chief of staff.

The undersigned organizations ask that you seek an end to this restraint on communication in federal agencies. We ask that you issue a clear directive telling federal employees they’re not only free to answer questions from reporters and the public, but actually encouraged to do so. We believe that is one of the most important things you can do for the nation now, before the policies become even more entrenched.

We also ask you provide an avenue through which any incidents of this suppression of communication may be reported and corrected. Create an ombudsman to monitor and enforce your stated goal of restoring transparency to government and giving the public the unvarnished truth about its workings. That will go a long way toward dispelling Americans’ frustration and cynicism before it further poisons our democracy.

Further examples on the issue are provided as well as other resources.

Sincerely,

David Cuillier
President
Society of Professional Journalists
spjdave@yahoo.com

Beth Parke
Executive Director
Society of Environmental Journalists
bparke@sej.org

Kathryn Foxhall
Member
Society of Professional Journalists
kfoxhall@verizon.net

Holly Spangler
President
American Agricultural Editors’ Association

Gil Gullickson
Board Chair
American Agricultural Editors’ Association Professional Improvement Foundation

Alexandra Cantor Owens
Executive Director
American Society of Journalists and Authors

Janet Svazas
Executive Director
American Society of Business Publication Editors

David Boardman
President
American Society of News Editors

Hoda Osman
President
Arab and Middle Eastern Journalists Association

Kathy Chow
Executive Director
Asian American Journalists Association

Diana Mitsu Klos
Executive Director
Associated Collegiate Press

Paula Poindexter
President
Association for Education in Journalism and Mass Communication

Miriam Pepper
President
Association of Opinion Journalists

Lisa Graves
Executive Director
Center for Media and Democracy

Rachele Kanigel
President
College Media Association

Gay Porter DeNileon
President
Colorado Press Women

Sue Udry
Executive Director
Defending Dissent Foundation

Mark Newton
President
Journalism Education Association

Mark Horvit
Executive Director
Investigative Reporters and Editors

J.H. Snider
President
iSolon.org

Phyllis J. Griekspoor
President
North American Agricultural Journalists

Carol Pierce
Executive Director
National Federation of Press Women

Robert M. Williams Jr.
President
National Newspaper Association

Bob Meyers
President
National Press Foundation

Charles Deale
Executive Director
National Press Photographers Association

Diana Mitsu Klos
Executive Director
National Scholastic Press Association

Mary Hudetz
President
Native American Journalists Association

Jane McDonnell
Executive Director
Online News Association

Patrice McDermott
Executive Director
OpenTheGovernment.org

Tim Franklin
President
The Poynter Institute

Danielle Brian
Executive Director
Project on Government Oversight

Jeff Ruch
Executive Director
Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility

George Bodarky
President
Public Radio News Directors Incorporated

Mike Cavender
Executive Director
Radio Television Digital News Association

Herb Jackson
President
Regional Reporters Association

Christophe Deloire
Secretary General
Reporters without Borders

Frank LoMonte
Executive Director
Student Press Law Center

Roy S. Gutterman
Director
Tully Center for Free Speech at Syracuse University

David Steinberg
President
UNITY Journalists for Diversity

229 thoughts on “Coalition of Journalism Groups Denounce Obama Administration for “Politically-Driven Suppression of the News”

  1. It goes with the territory seeing as how the U.S. has the best propagandists in the world:

    The Bush administration turned the U.S. military into a global propaganda machine while imposing tough restrictions on journalists seeking to give the public truthful reports about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Associated Press chief executive Tom Curley said Friday.

    Curley, speaking to journalists at the University of Kansas, said the news industry must immediately negotiate a new set of rules for covering war because “we are the only force out there to keep the government in check and to hold it accountable.”

    (Warriors Press For Propaganda – 4).

    Remember when “the NSA spies on most Americans” was a conspiracy theory?

  2. The journalists are still going to take the White House talking points and print them as news. Obama has nothing to be afraid of.

  3. Dredd – the Bush administration went back to the press rules used during WWII and put in place by FDR.

  4. Paul C. Schulte

    Dredd – the Bush administration went back to the press rules used during WWII and put in place by FDR.
    ============================
    Thanks for your opinion (False Cuban News Agents Active).

    I am focusing on persistent problems, not admin to admin, which is part of the duopoly strategy.

    For example :

    The activities of users of Twitter and other social media services were recorded and analysed as part of a major project funded by the US military, in a program that covers ground similar to Facebook’s controversial experiment into how to control emotions by manipulating news feeds.

    Research funded directly or indirectly by the US Department of Defense’s military research department, known as Darpa, has involved users of some of the internet’s largest destinations, including Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest and Kickstarter, for studies of social connections and how messages spread.

    While some elements of the multi-million dollar project might raise a wry smile – research has included analysis of the tweets of celebrities such as Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber, in an attempt to understand influence on Twitter – others have resulted in the buildup of massive datasets of tweets and additional types social media posts.

    Several of the DoD-funded studies went further than merely monitoring what users were communicating on their own, instead messaging unwitting participants in order to track and study how they responded.

    Shortly before the Facebook controversy erupted, Darpa published a lengthy list of the projects funded under its Social Media in Strategic Communication (SMISC) program, including links to actual papers and abstracts.

    (US military studied how to influence Twitter users in Darpa-funded research).

    Its all bad.

    Choosing one’s favorite poison is a fool’s errand.

  5. Thank you. And thank you to all the associations that wrote the letter. I am hopeful that change will take place but that hope is very small. Lying has worked so well for this and previous presidents, and with the continued support for his lies by his supporters, that hope is indeed small.

    It didn’t take long for the “Bush did it” crowd to show there face. Bush is gone, we can’t change what Bush did, we can demand that current and future Presidents obey our Constitution.

  6. The #1 Paul wrote “The journalists are still going to take the White House talking points and print them as news. Obama has nothing to be afraid of.”

    Yup, just like they did during Bush II’s time in office. Our mainstream press is fairly pathetic.

    On a slightly related note, it’s a wonder that German leaders even talk to President Pinocchio, given the revelation that a second spy has been found in Germany. German media reported the second case was “more serious” than the first.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10957669/Germany-investigating-claims-of-a-second-US-spy-in-Berlin.html

  7. The reality is that as much as the “Bush did it too” crowd doesn’t want to accept it, the current administration is much more restrictive and controlling than Bush ever was. Prosecution of whistleblowers and sources. Photographs that are coming only from official sources. I know the current white house photographer Pete Souza. It pains me to think of him as a propagandist, and not a journalist with the ultimate assignment. The problem lays with a political machine that abhors the light, and takes every criticism as a personal attack. It’s the reason every critique is brushed off as racism or plain hatred, and not a genuine disagreement over policy. Bush had his problems too, but at least this wasn’t one of them.

  8. The letter to President Obama is led by the widely respected Society of Professional Journalists.” – JT

    Journalists barely rank above “the widely respected” congress, tied with lawyers @ ~20% (Gallup).

    Of course the presstitutes want to blame anyone but themselves for bad journalism and disfavor.

  9. Paul, I guess you did not bother READING the letter. It says over the last TWO DECADES, which is twenty years by the way, so it is hardly OBAMA’S FAULT. That puts it back to Clintons time. Of course, Reagan had the same policy too.

    I agree that they are correct in not having more access, but during the Cold War and the McCarthy era, some of the best journalism was done by IF Stone who had zero access. He simply went out and did the hard work of reading all the freely available documents that the government produces. It is harder than simply being able to take a staffer to lunch and getting all the insider gossip. If Izzy Stone could do that, I think the journalists should be able to do the same. Try working and doing more of their job first, then I will be protesting with them. Instead, they want the government to make their job easier.

  10. Why not! Even this blog suppresses news (specifically on 1st Amendment issues; because they are worried losing friends on pointing out massive frauds by law firms (even when said firms confessed).

  11. What’s missing on this list are actual working journalists. When the news editors from major newspapers and networks challenge this Nixonian President then we got something. This is small potatoes. But, not redskin potatoes, that would not be PC.

  12. Bailers, 5 VA whistleblowers testified yesterday about the hell this administration put them through for having the temerity to speak the truth.

  13. Fact 1

    Romney owned “The Learning Company” that was merged by MNAT to Mattel in 1999 (losing investors $3 Billion so harshly that Mattel – GAVE AWAY – “The Learning Company” for FREE.

    But no msm and not even this blog would report those facts during election!

  14. We certainly have our Obama cultist here in our midst playing the sad, “Yea but the Republicans..” game. It does preach to the choir.

  15. randyjet wrote “It says over the last TWO DECADES, which is twenty years by the way, so it is hardly OBAMA’S FAULT”

    The letter stated, “Over the past two decades, public agencies have increasingly prohibited staff,” with the operative word here being “increasingly,” in other words, it has been getting progressively worse over the past twenty years with the current administration being the worst.

    Then the letter goes to state, “Under this administration, even non-defense agencies have asserted in writing their power to prohibit contact with journalists without surveillance.” Note the phrase, “Under this administration,” which clearly excludes all administrations except that of Obama,

    How disingenuous and partisan of you.

  16. Fact 3

    Romney owned Stage Stores that was placed into bankruptcy in mid-2000.

    Jack Bush (of Dallas Texas) was co-director of Stage Stores with Michael Glazer (who was CEO of Kay Bee at that time).

    Stage Store’s Director’s assistant was Barry Gold who hired his long term buddy Paul Traub (firm of Traub Bonacquist & Fox) and Traub got “caught red-handed” not revealing his prior relationships with Barry Gold and Jack Bush.

    This was confessed (in a obfuscating way) by Traub to the court

    http://petters-fraud.com/StageStores_TBF_Supplemental_Affidavit_BarryGold.pdf

  17. randyjet – I read the letter, however Bush is no longer their problem. OBAMA is the problem. And I.F. Stone got a lot of his ‘facts’ wrong all the time. He was being feed stuff from the Soviets. Izzy was at least a fellow traveler, if not a full-blown Soviet agent. We know he took money from the Soviets, the question is how much and for what. Regardless, it colored his writing.

  18. The doods and doodettes, who wrote the letter to the White House, are owned or operated by a few for profit corporations.

    Those “for profit journalists” make their money from advertising revenue.

    Here is an example of a citizen journalist who resists the lies of the advertisers who paid the money the “for profit journalists” live on.

  19. So – it is incontrovertible that

    Romney = Bain = MNAT
    Romney = Bain = Kay Bee = Glazer
    Romney = The Learning Company and MNAT
    Romney = Stage Stores = Glazer = Barry Gold = Paul Traub

    Transitive

    Romney = Bain = MNAT = Glazer/Kay Bee = Barry Gold = Paul Traub

  20. The advertisers who are sources for journalists’ incomes, the elite editors who wrote the preznit, use the editors for propaganda purposes:

    Oil companies want you to know they are doing everything in their power to drive the movement towards sustainable energy alternatives, instead of toward the substance that makes them the largest, most profitable, oligopolies in history. When an oil company advertises, we see a white-coated person, presumably a member of science, telling the audience that their employer is contributing billions of dollars to research and innovation in the field of alternative energy. But, unsurprisingly, the numbers don’t back up the chitchat. Do they really think we’re buying this?

    (Fool).

  21. Dredd – would you like to list 10 fair and balanced journalists? Please do not include opinion writers.

  22. FACT 7 (the BIGGIE)

    MNAT lied to become eToys Debtors counsel (hiding both Bain and Goldman Sachs issues, during the March 7, 2001 bankruptcy of eToys 01-706 {DE BK 2001})

    Traub’s TBF also lied about Wells Fargo, Bain, Playco, Goldman Sachs, Michael Glazer, Romney, Stage Stores, Barry Gold and Kay Bee to become the eToys Creditors counsel.

    The United States Trustee is upon the public docket record testifying that Traub and buddies asked the U.S. Trustee for permission to hand pick an eToys executive to replace yours truly; and that they were told NOT to violate the conflict of interest laws.

    Then MNAT and Paul Traub nominted Barry Gold to be the eToys “wind-down coordinator” in May 2001 (after Traub and Barry Gold formed Asset Disposition Advisors in April 2001).

    My company was titled Collateral Logistics Inc (CLI) and the DE Bankruptcy Court approved CLI to be the “Liquidation Consultant” for eToys.

    It was announced by the Wall Street Journal that Bain/Kay Bee were acquiring eToys for $5.4 million. But I called Joe Pereira and corrected him on the fact that me/CLI forced the sale prices up to the tens of millions of dollars.

    The issue being that

    Romney (from 1999 to 2001) was CEO of Bain when MNAT merged TLCo,, Bain acquired Kay Bee, Stage Stores was in bankruptcy and all those parties

    MNAT as eToys Debtors counsel
    Traub as Creditors counsel
    Barry Gold snuck in as post-petition President/CEO – WITHOUT applying to the DE Bankruptcy Court (= AFTER being forewarned by US Trustee not to do so)
    See parts 18, 19 & 35 of US Trustee Disgorge Motion of TBF for $1.6 million

    http://petters-fraud.com/DisgorgeMotion_TBF_1_6_Million.pdf

  23. So where is the balance between an informed public and a government’s need to protect itself? Really, no government is going to be loved and honored by all of its citizens because it always does the right thing. And no matter how good it is, people develop their own identity by opposing what seems right to others. Hence some kids prefer chocolate and others prefer vanilla – it’s all about personal identity.

  24. Facts 8

    So you have Debtors counsel, creditors counsel and bankrupt CEO all (secretly) partners in protecting Goldman Sachs and Bain Capital.

    GSachs to bury the pump-n-dump schemes;
    and Bain/Kay Bee to get eToys as cheap as possible.

    Bankruptcy fraud statutes presume guilt when you don’t disclose an asset and/or self dealing. So I need no proof of material adverse harm; but I have it in GRAND Larceny form.

    $2 million in hidden overseas cash deposits not declared (by David Haddad who then became President of “Project Greenlight”) and the sale’s price reduction of eToys.com from $10 million down to $3 million.

    Plus, Stage Stores was co-Debtor with LIquidity Solutions (of Hackensack NY) who just so happen to begin to acquire eToys claims right after Barry Gold’s illegal arrival.

    MNAT and Traub even drafted Barry Gold’s “Confirmed Plan Administrator” Declaration to state that;

    “the PLAN was negotiated in EXTENSIVE arm’s length, good faith negotations between Debtor and Creditors”.

    That’s between MNAT/Barry Gold (secretly working for Wells Fargo, Bain/Kay Bee and Goldman Sachs) and Paul Traub (also secretly working for same entities, plus Playco and his ADA partnership with Barry Gold).

    The PLAN includes the fact that the Administrator (Barry Gold) can settle all eToys claims for less than $1 million – WITHOUT the court’s permission.

    All Barry Gold needs is the permission of the Creditors (his partner Paul Traub) who then got back to Bain/Romney via Liquidity Solutions the extra tens of millions I made their bids go higher to be.

    http://petters-fraud.com/Oct_2011_Exh4_SnapShot_PlanPartC44_extensiveArmsLength.pdf

  25. FACT 10 – a Super Biggie!

    It took me several years to find proof of these crimes (betrayal of oath to clients – fraud on court by officers of court – Perjury {admitted INTENT of leaving lies to stand before the court 33 times – SEE disgorge motion above parts 18, 19 and 35) –

    Then MNAT partner Colm Connolly became the US Attorney

  26. Mr Turley
    “What is left the power of personality over principle.”
    = = =
    I think the American 21st Century can be marked as one where winning the “Cult of Personality” is key to being President. Screw morals and principles… Tap dancing Bush to “Yes we can” Obama.

  27. FACT 11

    I reported the obvious federal venality to the Public Corruption Task Force in Los Angels (being assisted by a federal justice’s clerk to utilize 18 U.S.C. $ 3057(a) that commands Judges to Notify & Refer crimes to US Attorney {but that would have meant “officially” notifying Colm Connolly who would have had to have recused himself})

    My report was December 7, 2007 and the justice informed me of the official form, to white out CA (but not all the way) when I put in DE up top right. And to get each and every page time stamped/clocked.
    http://petters-fraud.com/Clocked_18_USC_3057_A.pdf

  28. The #1 Paul wrote “list 10 fair and balanced journalists”

    There is no such thing, as everyone has a bias, not to mention that the phrase “fair and balanced” is Fox News propaganda. But that’s not the problem, as one can read from a variety of sources and discern the truth. The problem is that almost everyone only reads sources which confirm their preconceived notions. That’s why I read online sources from all over the world: Der Spiegel, BBC News, Radio Free Asia, Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty, Deutsche Welle, C-SPAN2 Book TV, the Telegraph (UK), Parameters (U.S. Army War College), CBS News, Reuters, LA Times, GlobalPost, and Fox News. The bias pretty much balances out.

  29. Fact 13

    Its not the first time the DOJ has been shaken up by this case;
    because the Deputy DOJ Director of Executive Offices US Trustee

    also resigned too (after I pointed out another $100 million fraud in Kay Bee)

    Here’s Deputy Director Lawrence Friedman’s email promise to me (that I’ve sworn to a dozen times )
    http://petters-fraud.com/lawrence_friedman_email_laser_haas.pdf

    And here’s the DOJ EOUST Press release of Friedman’s resignation quickly
    http://www.justice.gov/ust/eo/public_affairs/press/docs/friedman_resignation_4-27-05.htm

  30. Under Bush, his administration planted no fewer than 212 false stories about WMD’s in Iraq. Manipulation of the press is definitely a bi-partisan state of affairs and will absolutely continue under another Republican president. I see no reason to think Romney would not have done this should he have been elected. Now to address current reality.

    The current administration, in this case, Democratic president, Obama, has been able to silence whistleblowers, drying up information on what is actually happening within the govt.

    Obama has teams of people paid to write opinion pieces which pose as news stories as well as actual opinion pieces in major newspapers. He has teams of people who are paid to make blog comments, FB and twitter posts on his behalf. The military has one person posting as 10 identities on social media.

    As in Canada, where local weather persons are unable to comment about global warming, the USG does not allow freely made comments from the employees of the people of the US.

    This leads to a state of affairs which completely undermines a functioning democracy. For a democracy to work at all, citizens need to know what the govt. is doing in our names. We are owed that information. We are owed the right to be truthfully informed. We should not be propagandized which leads us into stupidity and very narrow bandwidths of acceptable ideas/thoughts.

    While I am glad this letter was written I want to see journalists quit relying on administration talking heads for their reporting. There are things to be learned by looking at the money and connection trail. This information does not often come from asking “leaders” questions. It comes from digging.

    Elite journalists seem wholly captured by their love of power and hobnobbing with the powerful. This kind of corruption is sickening. So it will be up to reporters who value our nation, the truth and our democracy more than access to power to be the courageous people we need to bring us actual information.

    Citizens who justify the withholding of information by “their” party leader are doing all citizens, even themselves, real disservice. Citizens also need to clean up their act and start demanding accountability from “their” party. Leader worship is unseemly and unworthy of actual citizens.

    It’s going to take hard work to get through all the mind-control that we experience right now. These are public servants. That information belongs to the people. Remember these things and stand up for them.

  31. Paul Traub was also partners with Tom Petters Ponzi and Marc Dreier and Larry Reynolds (who launder $12 billion while in Witness PRotection) and Frank Vennes.

    Tom Petters attorney (the Kelley Wolter firm) became the Federal Receiver over Tom Petters Ponzi assets (I kid you not)

    Read James Merriner (former Editor Chicago paper)
    http://www.jamesmerriner.com/ponzi-dot-gov_intro.html

    and Douglas Kelley said Paul Traub was the controller of Petters Ponzi
    http://petters-fraud.com/June2012_DKelley_PaulTraub_Complaint_Lawsuit_PettersFraud.pdf

  32. LDL, Are you one of the programs of the military? I wondered if you were willing to address the actual topic of this post? Would you tell us what you think of the letter?

  33. This guy Mitt stole the last GOP nomination and will do it again;
    because they are doing this all in the open and NO ONE cares….

    Even this realm refuses to tell what is obviously a prize winning story

  34. LDL, Are you able to respond to the actual story that JT wrote about? What do you think of the letter? Are you AI?

  35. Rolling Stone sold out Taibbi (who is no longer there) and successfully helped protect Biden’s “Deal”aware from being exposed for massive corruption.

    RS got to interview both Biden and Obama;
    and Taibbi got the shaft.

    Matt missed such simple things as Glazer being at both Kay Bee & Stage Stores; because RS General Counsel and Editors refused to publish the whole story.

  36. LDL, I must conclude you are AI or a govt. identity designed to off track information unless you can actually address the actual letter. Your posts are the very form of information suppression by changing the subject and completely ignoring the actual information presented.

  37. Laughing my butt off watching Dredd and LaserD illustrate a key point in Mr Turley’s article:

    “Once again, the White House has a virtually army of commenters and blog surfers who continually deflect such criticism by referring to how much worse the Republicans are or simply changing the subject.”

    Classic! Exactly as scripted by the White House!

    All hail Emperor Obama!!

  38. BTW= there’s also mayhem, homicides and murder.

    Marty Lackner was involved in Petters Ponzi and his brother is J. Lackner

    That would be MN Asst US Attorney in charge of criminal division J. Lackner

    But Marty committed suicide (purportedly) 2009

    ———————————————–

    EToys shareholder Robert Alber was threatened to be killed and then attacked and hand to shoot/kill Michael Sesseyoff in 2010.

    ———————————————-

    John (Jack) Wheeler walked into the Nemours Building on New Years Eve and then wound up dead in a dump.

    The Nemours Building houses the USA’s office and Colm Connolly’s

    Colm Connolly (after I posted a story looking for clues) then announces the killer left the state and he is posting a $25,000 reward for information

  39. What is “The Media” in this country and the world in the year 2014? Forty years ago the newsprint media of newspapers and magazines had a large role and there were a number of large newspapers such as: NY Times, Washington Post, Saint Louis Post Dispatch which were owned and operated by single owner families. When the Pentagon Papers scandal unfolded those three newspapers, guided by their respective owners, stood up for free speech, free assembly, right to petition the government for redress of grievances and free press. We could cheer this process on. Right On Brother! Right On!

    Those three families are no longer viable. The NY Times is lame and compliant with the government and was one of the first agents of government to defame Snowden. The Washington Post was sold by the Grahams and is now owned by some guy named Bezos and the Saint Louis Post was sold by the Pulitzers to some Freedom this or that

    Some of the worst defamers of Snowden and Glenn Greenwald were central news commentators on the television networks.

    It is important to read the new book out by Glenn Greenwald, title: No Place To Hide. Try it you’ll like it.

    If truth and freedom has any hope or future in this country and in this world it is on the internet. Blog On Brother! Blog On!

  40. Jill – Laser has his own problems. He is involved in a complex lawsuit that is getting stopped at every turn. I think he is venting today. :)

  41. Paul, Laser is doing information suppression. This tactic is explored in part, in Greenwald’s book referenced above. It’s truly fascinating to see how controlled the govt. would like us to be. Govt. AI and propagandists are ready, set go on using the tools of distraction, lies, obfuscation etc. We are experiencing what JT wrote about, right at this moment.

  42. Jill: I agree with you that LDL (and a couple others) degrade this blog with off-topic rants. But isn’t that the objective? Mr Turley has been critical of Emperor Obama and his courtesans, and so, Mr Turley’s voice must be silenced, if only by raising the noise level.

  43. Jill – if you have been following the thread of Laser’s posts, he is also talking about control of the press and courts by any administration. I really do not think Laser is a government stooge. However, I have been accused of being a paid anti-Obama stooge. Sadly, it does not seem to pay well.

  44. How is telling the facts – “information suppression”?

    Everything there is public docket record;
    we’re even blessed with confessions to intentional fraud on the court.
    (again – see Disgorge Motion link parts 18, 19 & 35 in Fact 7 above)

    The Asst US Trustee who wrote the disgorge motion then resigned when his underling (Mark Kenney) put in a Stipulation to Settle the Disgorge Motion that openly breaches his fiduciary duty (under “color of law”) and betrays his public oath as his promises Traub’s TBF that;

    “WHEREAS, the United States Trustee shall not seek to compel TBF to make additional disclosures”

    http://petters-fraud.com/US_Trustee_Motion_Feb24_2005_2giveTBF_immunity.pdf

    (btw – this obvious effort to cover up more serious crimes is what led me to the discovery that MNAT {while being eToys Debtors counsel} was openly representing Bain in the Kay Bee case. When I reported that crime, DOJ EOUST Director Friedman then put in his resignation)

  45. Jill and the (quaint) poster as “Steven H” are the one’s diffusive.

    I’m pointing out that all the President’s nix the press to their own agendas.

    My problem is the USA who shut down the public corruption task force was GWB’s flying buddy Tom O’Brien (not even an attorney) and this was followed up (speciously) by Obama getting the “Deal”aware protecting Joe Biden as VP

    No msm media (and even this blog that hypocritically attacks suppression) will dare tell the tale that is begging to be told.

    When I go to D.C. in a few weeks and sue Eric Holder for his Section 1331 violation of saying “No one is too big to jail” – I expect the bullseye upon my back will glow in the dark.

    Then – who will tell the tale?

    Certainly not this realm or anyone here upon!

  46. Steve, I agree. I think this is exactly the point. It is true that the administration pays people to make posts on social media. It also has AI and multiple “personalities” controlled by the military for purposes of shifting the discussion in the direction which pleases the govt. AI isn’t quite perfected yet, but it’s darn good!

    Paul, we’ll just have to agree to disagree about what we are experiencing on this blog right now.

  47. How did we leave questioning this administration’s lack of openness towards the press and go back to previous administrations behavior with regards to the media. I admit that I am hardly a liberal lefty, but Professor Turley is spot on. Keep up the good work Prof. T..Bobby D.

  48. Steve H. – “Laughing my butt off watching Dredd and LaserD illustrate a key point in Mr Turley’s article:

    “Once again, the White House has a virtually army of commenters and blog surfers who continually deflect such criticism by referring to how much worse the Republicans are or simply changing the subject.”

    Classic! Exactly as scripted by the White House!

    All hail Emperor Obama!!”

    Steve, you beat me to it. When I read that part of Mr. Turleys’s article, I wondered how many posts it would take to see President Bush’s name mentioned.

  49. Media elite like these folk, who wrote the letter, have always been stooges for the military, the CIA, and the FBI:

    Later that year [1948] Wisner established Mockingbird, a program to influence the domestic American media. Wisner recruited Philip Graham (Washington Post) to run the project within the industry. Graham himself recruited others who had worked for military intelligence during the war. This included James Truitt, Russell Wiggins, Phil Geyelin, John Hayes and Alan Barth. Others like Stewart Alsop, Joseph Alsop and James Reston, were recruited from within the Georgetown Set. According to Deborah Davis (Katharine the Great): “By the early 1950s, Wisner ‘owned’ respected members of the New York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications vehicles.”

    In 1951 Allen W. Dulles persuaded Cord Meyer to join the CIA. However, there is evidence that he was recruited several years earlier and had been spying on the liberal organizations he had been a member of in the later 1940s. According to Deborah Davis, Meyer became Mockingbird’s “principal operative”.

    One of the most important journalists under the control of Operation Mockingbird was Joseph Alsop, whose articles appeared in over 300 different newspapers. Other journalists willing to promote the views of the CIA included Stewart Alsop (New York Herald Tribune), Ben Bradlee (Newsweek), James Reston (New York Times), C. D. Jackson (Time Magazine), Walter Pincus (Washington Post), Walter Winchell (New York Daily Mirror), Drew Pearson, Walter Lippmann, William Allen White, Edgar Ansel Mowrer (Chicago Daily News), Hal Hendrix (Miami News), Whitelaw Reid (New York Herald Tribune), Jerry O’Leary (Washington Star), William C. Baggs (Miami News), Herb Gold (Miami News) and Charles L. Bartlett (Chattanooga Times). According to Nina Burleigh (A Very Private Woman) these journalists sometimes wrote articles that were commissioned by Frank Wisner. The CIA also provided them with classified information to help them with their work.

    (Mocking America). They are these days more than ever.

  50. When I read these blogs it’s apparent those making comments fall predominantly into one of four categories:
    1. Supportive of government regardless of party
    2. Supportive of the Democratic party only
    3. Supportive of the Republican party only
    4. Supportive of the citizens regardless of party

    Regardless of whether anyone is willing to admit it; not every action of the government, Democrats or Republicans is unconstitutional or an infringement of unalienable rights. That being said, the lost entity in nearly every thread is the fourth group.

    Professor Turley provides a great example of how each of us should seek to defend the institution of government ONLY as it supports and defends the constitution and ALWAYS as it secures the unalienable rights of its citizens. It is incumbent on each of us interested in defending our favorite party, politician, policy or ideology to never take our eye off of the original purpose for government:

    “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed”

    For those that disagree with this purpose or focus, it will be business as usual.

  51. Bob, One way this occurred was through manipulation. Still, there is a connection between Bush and Obama as there will be with the next president.

    If the serious nature of suppression of information is not addressed by all citizens, the situation will keep getting worse. It is very bad right now. I worry because we don’t come close to understanding the level of misinformation, lies and suppression which this administration uses to maintain its power (really the power of a small group of elites).

    Our discourse is stunted into the red/blue state ideology. This works to enhance our ignorance (as JT wrote about). We definitely need to break free of govt. imposed ignorance and thought management. We are having difficulty seeing what is really occurring. We need to break free and try to see this. It is my hope that anyone who is able will start to put together the money and connection trail. That would make things clearer for us all.

  52. Annie – I have always had my suspicions about you. ;) However, I am not surprised about your Bush comment.

  53. That’s one of my points Annie.

    The banter (professional diffusive’s) make the fact that I’m pointing out that the media (including the owner of this realm) suppresses what they wish.

    I concur that Obama’s administration is not perfect;
    but at least he did not make up reasons to go to war.

    Or torture – or give Haliburton and Blackwater profits beyond compare.

    ————————–
    Yet, Obama’s Eric Holder isn’t much better (and way more hypocritical with his “No one is too big to jail” rhetoric).

    Suppression of the news is defined as any one and/or entity refusing to tell a newsworthy story. Such as Romney’s family owning voting machines during his election!
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/10/20/romney-family-investment-ties-to-voting-machine-company-that-could-decide-the-election-causes-concern/

    —————————

    MItt practically bragged that “we kind of had to steal the GOP nomination”

    Do you really think they’ll blow it this time around?

  54. Jill;

    You make my point for me; while trying to assuage all from seeing “the points”!

    One would be extremely hard pressed (at least I hope so) to find a better post-child case for WSJ white collar fraud, being “too big to jail”, of issues of federal venality and corruption of the integrity of the judicial process – with anywhere as near “Public, federal, archived Smoking Gun, Proofs”

    and yet – no msm (or any law proof who sees it all clearly);
    will dare tell the tale.

    What does it matter if we are been fed bull crap;
    when no one really cares to see the nastiness of the surreal!

  55. Laser – there is nothing improper pointing out the obvious. I have been accused several times of being a paid shill for the Koch Bros. We know from Snowden that the Obama administration has paid shills working on blogs to push their agenda.

  56. Rove has one company that Andrew Kreig pointed out – pays professional hackers/attackers – $250 an hour – to obliterate truth telling.

    UpWorthy has a successful formula in not allowing comments;
    and WSJ has become so biased – it averages less than 10 per item.

    Its a sad state of affairs – that we can’t get anyone to do the truth – unvarnished!

    BUT – Robert Redford just signed on to be directed by Vanderbilt;
    about the Dan Rather/GWB debacle.

  57. Mr. Olive,

    Constitutionality???

    Does that equate to Manifestonality because America has an economy controlled by the government and complete redistribution of wealth?

    Government regulation (i.e., control, can you say obamacare?) welfare, food stamps, utitility subsidies, public school/college, affirmative action, quotas, rent control, HUD, HHS, Labor, Education, Medicare, Social Security, union dictatorship of the proletariat, social services, etc., etc.

    The Founders has all this redistribution in the CHARITY industry.

    And you saying things aren’t unconstitutional. Can you name one of aforementioned that existed when the Constitution was written or did the Founders really, really, really mean freedom of the citizens, self-reliance and government limited to Justice, Tranquility, Common Defence and the PROMOTION of general welfare while endeavors, business and industry conducted in the free markets of the private sector were secured to us and our posterity?

    Let’s start at the idea of a president being the son of a foreign citizen as the Founders are quoted infinitely expressing the imperative that candidates for the office be definitively precluded from “foreign allegiances” when the legal reference of the era, The Law of Nations, which was “pounced upon” by them according to Ben Franklin, requires that “parents” be citizens and goes on to require that the father be a citizen as inheritance and ownership was passed from the father, not the mother.

    Americans have the right to private property (real and moveable) and the government takes money from one man to give it to another by force.

    “…not every action of the government, Democrats or Republicans is unconstitutional…”

    Seriously?

  58. Politically driven suppression of campaign opponents by the IRS.

    Politically driven factual alternation of the narrative in a campaign after Benghazi.

  59. Annie, Aside from thinking Bush is worse than Obama, do you have any thoughts on what is happening with Obama, right now, in his suppression of free speech? Does it concern you in any way? Do you feel it is acceptable?

  60. I’ll go along with Annie. W is still worse in every way as far as I am concerned. He started the snowball. BUT, that does not a pass for Obama, he absolutely has to be accountable. The finger-pointing “he did it first!” is a defense to be left in elementary school. But, I have always been interested in the quick replies with citations. Hmmmmm.

  61. Yes John, really. “not everything is” also means “not everything isn’t”. Much of what qualifies these days as debate doesn’t pass the most basic requirement to prove anything. Many who post here would argue against water being wet if it was claimed to be so by someone from the “other side” of the political spectrum. This particular thread is about suppression of the news and I question the importance of that when truth to the average reader seems to depend more on who’s reporting it than what is being reported. Once facts become relative then all that matters is the personality reporting it.

  62. slohrss29 wrote “W is still worse in every way as far as I am concerned. He started the snowball”

    Actually he pushed multiple snowballs down our hill.

    He invaded a foreign country on false pretenses. It does not matter whether the intelligence was flawed and that Tony Blair agreed. Bush was the one on watch and deserves the blame. A better president than him declared that “the buck stops here.”

    He created the Wall Street bailouts which ended up transferring hundreds of billions of dollars of assets from the middle class to Wall Street.

    He pushed for the Patriot Act which was the parent of Obama’s NSA spying.

    And Obama is criminally incompetent for continuing all of the above.

  63. For a story so important, two posters managed to turn this into one of the most pathetic threads ever.

  64. Had this “coalition of journalists” remained impartial and done their JOB…

    Matter of fact, let’s fix this problem by picking up right where they left off.

  65. Paul C. Schulte

    Dredd – lighten up for goodness sake. The Vortex of Doom does not censor. It is just stupid.
    =================
    I can’t tell the difference.

    There is a diff One of Three? ;)

  66. Here, the administration and I part philosophical ways. The right to speak–unfettered — to government officials is a fundamental characteristic of a democracy. Requiring government employees in non-classified jobs to get permission to speak to the press strikes me as fundamentally wrong on many levels not the least of which is the First Amendment. This is an issue jeopardizing the public’s right to know and should be addressed now.

  67. LaserDLiquidator

    Dredd;

    I take issue with the “pro-America propaganda” remarks.

    Being “pro-military” is not (and has never been) “pro-American”
    ==========================
    The phrase “pro-America propaganda” does not appear anywhere else on this thread other than in your comment.

    I will have to assume, then, that you know what you are talking about.

    I don’t.

  68. As JT has discussed on numerous occasions; although he may agree with this current President on policy, he does not support destroying our institution of government in the process. For anyone capable of seeing passed this administration, the means matter far more than the ends.

    Freedom of the press and transparency in government are important to the security of rights for all citizens. What cannot be lost in that effort is the necessity of the citizens to recognize truth or fiction when it’s reported. If the latter is not important then the former becomes irrelevant.

  69. Bob, can you say attention span? Why don’t you take your ball and go home?
    Oops!

    *******************************************************************************************

    Mes,

    “democracy”

    “Benjamin Franklin was approached by a group of citizens asking what sort of government the delegates had created. His answer was: “A republic, if you can keep it.”

    Thanks, Ben.

    Lest we forget, the Founders established a republic through restricted vote, not one man, one vote democracy.

    The restricted vote was SO rational, the Founders thought, of course, everyone understands that citizens must meet criteria to do something as important as voting for the government. That’s why the Preamble is there, to set parameters within which the Constitution provides for extremely limited government.

    No more tyranny and oppression. The Founders said, “We won’t be fooled again!” “We don’t need no stinkin’ monarchs!”

    Obviously, given the complete failure of the SCOTUS, we couldn’t keep the republic.

    The inmates have taken over the asylum.

  70. Steve H.

    Laughing my butt off watching Dredd and LaserD illustrate a key point in Mr Turley’s article:

    “Once again, the White House has a virtually army of commenters and blog surfers who continually deflect such criticism by referring to how much worse the Republicans are or simply changing the subject.”

    Classic! Exactly as scripted by the White House!

    All hail Emperor Obama!!
    =======================
    Laughing at your skin deep sense of history (Blind Willie McTell News) and filing it in the folder for a future post on Agnotology.

  71. Paul C. Schulte

    Dredd – would you like to list 10 fair and balanced journalists? Please do not include opinion writers.
    =======================
    There aren’t that many according to some allegations.

    But I feel obligated to give you one:

  72. The Sauce,

    IRRELEVANT. We’re comparing the target to the law, not history.

    You’re about to be held in contempt.

    By the way, can you explain why you have your own blog but persist on this one? One jumps to the conclusion of failure or success.

  73. Reblogged this on SiriusCoffee and commented:
    “…The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.” – John Swinton, Chief Editorial Writer, New York Times

    With the concentration of ownership of mainstream media outlets by a hand-full of corporations – all of which are large donors to political agents – all with lobbyists and agendas of their own, you can assume that the news is manipulated to manage politicians and laws rather than inform the public as a primary agenda. Where the truth conflicts with a financial, PR, or political agenda, the story will be sanitized or buried.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_of_media_ownership

  74. Darren Smith

    Dredd, I restored your comment at 12:35.
    ==========================
    You are a gentleman and a scholar. (But I won’t tell anyone.) ;(

  75. Perfect.

    Climate change, like the universe, has existed since the Big Bang.

    Climate change will exist until the Tiny Contraction.

    When the next asteroid hits, you won’t have to worry about the cosmos anymore. You’ll be busy prosecuting the asteroid for murder and declaring how immoral and inhumane it was. Might be some issues on venue and jurisdiction. Then the government can pass a tax on all asteroids because they are the evil rich who do nothing but tour around the universe all day.

    A campfire is pollution.

    Local pollution is overpopulation and overpopulation is local pollution.

    Just ask China.

    When people get serious about pollution, they’ll reduce the population.

    They’ll probably run out of food first, however.

  76. George Santayana –

    “Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it,”

    Can you say Pravda and Izvestia?

    Truth and “News?”

  77. What speaks for itself, is the fact thst we/U.S. are the main stream media of today; and i almost cant blame JT staying away from the powers that be. As such play mean.

    Just a shame one inept as I os left to tell this great tale of woe. Robert Redford doing Dan Rather,s story on GWB now – simply documents U.S. trying to win a battle of the war “they,ve” already won!

  78. Jim22

    Steve H. – “Laughing my butt off watching Dredd and LaserD illustrate a key point in Mr Turley’s article:

    “Once again, the White House has a virtually army of commenters and blog surfers who continually deflect such criticism by referring to how much worse the Republicans are or simply changing the subject.”

    Classic! Exactly as scripted by the White House!

    All hail Emperor Obama!!”

    Steve, you beat me to it. When I read that part of Mr. Turleys’s article, I wondered how many posts it would take to see President Bush’s name mentioned.
    =========================
    It is pathetic to quote journalists as proof of anything other than “they reported” …

    Quoting a letter from for profit journalists is a lure for jingoists hiding in the rocks visible only by their forked tongues emerging into the light from time to time.

    Here, for free, is the source of your matrix (The Ways of Bernays). “Those who do not know of the life of Edward L. Bernays do not know American history.”

    If you do not know American history, you are hopelessly lost in the matrix of the duopoly, like a jury of bigots.

    It is like a judge concluding in the judgment, if you know what I mean.

  79. It does become tiresome to hear the willingness by many to simply change the subject when news of the administration and President Obama’s misdeeds are published and take away from serious debate on the issue.

    Then there is the second one of “Bush was worse” and again nothing substantial in the criticism of President Obama’s problematic actions and even what many argue as lies or abuses of office. There is always someone “worse” in any situation. But here we see that in effect those arguments inevitably lead to giving President free reign with only token criticism at best, enabling more such indiscretions by this Administration.

    Someone needs to put an end to these malfeasances by presidents and stop providing cover by political allies.

    And due in large part to the political back and forth between factions not forcing politicians to be held accountable through the ballot box and other means such as the media and speaking out, the status quo of not ending corruption and malfeasances of office will continue indefinitely.

    The current members of Congress and the Administration generally will not arrive at self policing their actions to place these malfeasances in the past and hold members accountable. We have allowed 536 individuals the ability to do as they please regardless of what the citizenry wants. It is obvious through the federal politicians’ constant fighting that it is going to be up to the people to reign them in and demand that they adhere to their oaths of office. But as long as what I have described in the first two paragraphs in this comment is allowed to continue by bickering, mudslinging, and deference by the voters, we are not going to see any reforms of our federal government any time soon.

    We should be concentrating on the present for a better future, not preserving the status quo by placing the blame on the past.

  80. LaserDLiquidator

    Dredd,

    Its within the quotes of your linked item(that i took the time to read in its entirety)
    ===============
    I have several and would appreciate a zoom into the text and the link if you care to have a reply.

    If not, well at least you read stuff before replying.

    Which is good.

  81. Oliver – for the life of me I cannot figure out what policy of Obama’s that JT can agree with. The man is all over the board. Even polices he espouses, he violates. President speaks with forked tongue.

  82. John Oliver, This is so well said: “Freedom of the press and transparency in government are important to the security of rights for all citizens. What cannot be lost in that effort is the necessity of the citizens to recognize truth or fiction when it’s reported. If the latter is not important then the former becomes irrelevant.”

    On a related note, this information from Greenwald also interested me. He has released the names of 5 people whose only crime is being Muslim, whom the govt. spied on 2002-2008. Interestingly, during a Republican presidency, one of the people spied on was a Republican presidential candidate. Nothings says deep state and the irrelevance of worrying about party politics than that.

    The numbers of people being currently surveillance are staggering. I see this as yet another way in which people are silenced. Reporters have said their sources are afraid to speak up. Ordinary citizens can be silenced as well.

  83. John – in saucy’s defense, there are several people on here who have their own blogs. Dredd links to his blog all the time.

  84. Darren Smith

    It does become tiresome to hear the willingness by many to simply change the subject when news of the administration and President Obama’s misdeeds are published and take away from serious debate on the issue.

    Then there is the second one of “Bush was worse” and again nothing substantial in the criticism of President Obama’s problematic actions and even what many argue as lies or abuses of office. There is always someone “worse” in any situation. But here we see that in effect those arguments inevitably lead to giving President free reign with only token criticism at best, enabling more such indiscretions by this Administration.

    Someone needs to put an end to these malfeasances by presidents and stop providing cover by political allies.

    And due in large part to the political back and forth between factions not forcing politicians to be held accountable through the ballot box and other means such as the media and speaking out, the status quo of not ending corruption and malfeasances of office will continue indefinitely.

    The current members of Congress and the Administration generally will not arrive at self policing their actions to place these malfeasances in the past and hold members accountable. We have allowed 536 individuals the ability to do as they please regardless of what the citizenry wants. It is obvious through the federal politicians’ constant fighting that it is going to be up to the people to reign them in and demand that they adhere to their oaths of office. But as long as what I have described in the first two paragraphs in this comment is allowed to continue by bickering, mudslinging, and deference by the voters, we are not going to see any reforms of our federal government any time soon.

    We should be concentrating on the present for a better future, not preserving the status quo by placing the blame on the past.
    ========================
    Unless the blame really does lie in the past.

    Nevertheless, you make a succinct summation for a nation that has a responsive government before a slow but sure coup turns that once-governing dynamic into a puppet front.

    And that is the thrust of my criticism of those who blame a single president for the coup that took place long before they were selected by TPTB to run for president.

    We are clueless if we think our votes for government officials are the critical mass of our national experience and direction.

    That has not been true for a long time.

    What we have now is an illusion, a pre-planned duopoly in the form of a Shakespearean play designed to divide and conquer us as it supplies the bread and circuses.

    Just as it did in previous societies that Toynbee observed:

    “In other words, a society does not ever die ‘from natural causes’, but always dies from suicide or murder — and nearly always from the former, as this chapter has shown.”

    – A Study of History, by Arnold J. Toynbee

    The argument that “Obama, Nixon, Clinton, Bush, and eventually the next two presidents did it” is not part of a substantive debate.

    Rather, it is bread & circus entertainment in a petty back-biting free-for-all engendered by those who Bernays identified well.

    Nothing in our national debates is substantive, except for rare occasions, when the real national structure is being analyzed.

    The loss of the common good is what should be mourned, rather than the weakness in or of a faux debate.

  85. Paul C. Schulte

    John – in saucy’s defense, there are several people on here who have their own blogs. Dredd links to his blog all the time.
    =====================
    Yes.

    It takes up less space on JT’s blog plus you can scroll by my link of only one line easily, instead of having to scroll by 500 lines if I were to presume to put my pages on JT’s posts.

    You know, textual courtesy.

    Some folks do not grasp that.

  86. Paul C. Schulte

    Oliver – for the life of me I cannot figure out what policy of Obama’s that JT can agree with. The man is all over the board. Even polices he espouses, he violates. President speaks with forked tongue.
    ====================
    American policy is “we own the world by God and if you don’t think so we will bomb you into the stone age (unless you have nukes, and we are working on that)“.

    How would you want your president to go about changing that?

  87. Paul C. Schulte

    President speaks with forked tongue.
    =======================
    That is why they call it doublespeak all these many decades.

    The only Native Americans (the rest of us are all immigrants) put it like this: “Forked man speak with white tongue.”

  88. Paul C. Schulte

    Dredd – at least I have shot at 7 of 9.
    ======================
    Or she has a shot at you.

    “Lower your shields … you will be assimilated … resistance is futile.”

  89. John:

    “Lest we forget, the Founders established a republic through restricted vote, not one man, one vote democracy.

    ****************************

    Yep the founders restricted it to white, wealthy, landowners. Yearning for the “good ol’ days” there, John?”

    Things change.

  90. mespo,
    I had to explain to my 85 y/o father that the world keeps progressing and we have to keep progressing along with it…
    … Such is life.

  91. Max, if the world keeps progressing then how would you know if you weren’t progressing along with it anyway? What does progress look like? How did your 85 y/o grandfather manage to live this long life without the sage advice from his grandchild?

  92. Progress is not always good and we do not always have to keep up with it. It is called freedom of choice.

  93. John Oliver – I cannot speak for every state, but most had poll taxes that had to be paid and many had a property requirement that had to be meet to vote. It was within my lifetime that renters were allowed to vote on bond issues (which affect property taxes).

  94. Dredd – Obama is the President of the United States, but he is not my President. I voted for Mickey Mouse both times.

  95. John wrote “The Sauce,”

    Saucy Mugwump is a nom de guerre. Making fun of it does not hurt me.

    “IRRELEVANT. We’re comparing the target to the law, not history.”

    Four people were killed in the Benghazi attack, while the 9/11 attacks killed almost 3000. It must be difficult for you to go through life being incompetent with basic math. And neither have anything to do with law, just being unprepared for attacks, covering up afterward, and two-party politics.

    “By the way, can you explain why you have your own blog but persist on this one?”

    I write long blog articles which require research and inspiration. Google refused to allow me to place Google Ads on it due to the politically incorrect nature of it, so I write what I want, when I want. I write short comments here because it is amusing to tweak hillbillies.

    “One jumps to the conclusion of failure or success.”

    One hopes you jump from a tall building.

  96. Lets not forget that the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 an amendment found in section 1078 of the National Defense Authorization Act of 2013 allows the US government to disseminate propaganda domestically.

    An unnamed Pentagon official who was concerned about the 2012 law version stated: “It removes the protection for Americans. It removes oversight from the people who want to put out this information. There are no checks and balances. No one knows if the information is accurate, partially accurate, or entirely false.”[44] The montly magazine The Atlantic echoed those concerns by pointing out to two USA Today journalists who became target of a smear and propaganda campaign after they reported that the U.S. military “information operations” program spent millions of U.S. dollars in marketing campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq criticied as ineffective and poorly monitored.[38][47] As it turned out one of firm leaders who executed the marketing campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan admitted to be a part of the smear and propaganda campaign against the USA Today reporters.[48]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2013

  97. Paul C. Schulte

    Dredd – Obama is the President of the United States, but he is not my President. I voted for Mickey Mouse both times.
    =================
    Mickey would have to face Dopey who runs the joint, just like the rest of them have and will.

    Dopey is the ruling dealer.

  98. John wrote “Lest we forget, the Founders established a republic through restricted vote, not one man, one vote democracy.”

    John wants to return to the good old days when white men could own non-white men and woman, white men could rape their female slaves at will, and only white men with at least 50 acres of land could vote.

  99. How very like you Paul C. typing from a position of ignorance.

    Please point out the inaccuracies in the Wikipedia link provided in my comment from 5:39PM.

  100. saucy – blacks owned slaves as well as Indians and whites. The population that actually owned slaves in the South was relatively small because a major plantation required hundreds of slaves.
    Wyoming gave women the right to vote while they were a territory but when they became a state the women lost the right to vote.

  101. Personanongrata

    Lets not forget that the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 an amendment found in section 1078 of the National Defense Authorization Act of 2013 allows the US government to disseminate propaganda domestically.

    Paul C. Schulte

    Please, please, please. I beg of all of you, do not use Wikipedia for anything important.
    ====================================
    The government changes Wikipedia, at least they did at one time, more than other changers (Catapulting The Wikipropaganda?).

    Perhaps that law Personanongrata cites to allows that?

    Illegal or not, be careful with “The Wiki.”

    Like one needs to be when quoting elitist journalists.

  102. Any source may be biased thus it is imperative to vet the information before sticking your foot in your mouth.

    Due diligence is your friend.

  103. Talking about accurate reporting, do you know WHY Brazil had such an incredibly bad game? The night before the Brazil team saw a psychiatrist for ‘counseling’! FACT!

  104. The #1 Paul wrote ” The population that actually owned slaves in the South was relatively small because a major plantation required hundreds of slaves.”

    Yes, but John believes himself to be worthy of the exalted position of plantation owner. American blacks have 10-20% white blood in them, on average, and John wants a piece of the action.

    By the way, you are correct regarding Wikipedia. Many pages have errors, some rather blatant. I seem to remember a medical group warning not to take Wikipedia medical pages too seriously.

  105. traveling limey – what was England’s problem? Sports psychologist have been important to top level athletes for years.

  106. saucy – there are tons of interracial couples now. When my wife and I first married I was the only white married to a Chinese woman in her family association. Now there are several and lots of biracial kids.

  107. @LaserDLiquidator,

    You know what you need, you own frigging blog.

    I have to sift thru 39 comments of yours to follow the conversation of the real people here.

    Maybe you could write a 2 paragraph synopsis of that webpage you link to and spend the rest of your time updating it to something more recent than Windoze ’95.

  108. Hey, Paul, did you hear that Obama wants Michelle to run for president? That’s great, now we have three dynasties.

    “You know, Michelle would make a great presidential candidate, too,” said Obama.
    nypost.com/2014/06/21/inside-the-jealous-feud-between-the-obamas-and-hildebeest-clintons

  109. The fact he added the word “candidate” is an important distinction. In his world “presidential” ends once the election is over.

  110. saucy – yes, I saw that Obama is pimping Michelle out. We already have Hillary and Elizabeth, Michelle should make for a interesting field for the Democrats to pick from. And yet, there is still Joe Biden to deal with. :D

  111. There are some Dem politicians getting fed up. Congressman Henry Cuellar from Texas has been trying to get the King to visit the border. The WH contacted him and told him to stfu. Cuellar told them to go shit in their hat and called Obama “Aloof and bizarre” for being 200 miles from the border and refusing to visit. Obama did a fundraiser for Senator Udall in Colorado yesterday and Udall WAS A NO SHOW! Nobody wants to be seen w/ the King.

  112. Nick – If I remember correctly, Obama had a bad record with the people he supported last time. His numbers are dropping and if I were a Democrat who was up for re-election, I would run from him like a bunny from a fox.

  113. I just saw that idiot Cuellar on CNN. This nitwit wants us to let in millions of illegals and for the rest of the country to take care of them. His own district is too poor to handle any of it. Obama does not have to visit the border or the huge asylums where they are storing these kids. He needs to seal the border and send these kids back to ten ft beyond he U.S. border. They came in from Mexico, let Mexico deal with them. I would like to see Cuellar’s birth certificate too.

  114. Personanongrata, thank you for reminding us that it is perfectly legal to propagandize American citizens. Not that the govt. wasn’t doing it anyway, but that along with many other illegalities have been made “legal”. I appreciated you pointing out some of the techniques used as well. This information is available on other sites besides wikipedia for anyone who wishes to know more about how the administration is manipulating our population.

  115. Since my comment showed up then disappeared, I’ll get a chance to edit it!

    Personanongrata, thank you for reminding us that it is perfectly legal to propagandize American citizens. Not that the govt. wasn’t doing it anyway, but that, along with many other illegalities, have been made “legal”. I appreciated you pointing out some of the techniques used on us as well. This information is available on other sites besides wikipedia for anyone who wishes to know more about how the administration is manipulating our population.

  116. Darren @4:06
    Well said!
    I’m petiontioning my House Rep to start defending our 1st, 4th and 5th Amendment Rights from a series of out of control Administrations. I’ve asked for clarification as to how it was impeachable under Bush when his Admin usurps the basic Civil Rights of HIS constituents but isn’t under Obama. The answer is obvious. I’ve announced to his office staff that he’s lost MY support and that the overall 7% approval rating also reflects upon how he’s faithfully Representing HIS constituents. I’m almost certain citizens in HIS district have been illegally spied upon… Yet, he refuses to comment.

    I think a plausible slogan against my Congressman might sound like: “When Bush and Obama illegally spied on Americans in via toon of the Constitution, Jim stood down. Elect me to stand up four YOU!”

    I’d give that person a serious consideration…

  117. John Oliver
    My father is 85.
    Electronics confound him.

    He and I were talking about spying. He understands that public platforms of social media allow strangers the ability to gain access to information about himself and that he cherishes his annonimity. He’s just amazed at how fast things progress… And how fast people adapt. I suppose his parents felt the same thing about automobes and TV. Etc. He did express his bewilderment as to what the next thing technology will bring us. I didn’t want to tell him about the facial recognition the NSA can do on him when he Skypes, instead telling him about Apples iWatch.

    We then got to discussing MSM. I simply said, “you do realize the only person serving time in Federal prison for the torture program under Bush is John Kiriakiu, the whistle blower who revealed the illegality of the torture program?” His response of, “Who? I’ve never heard about that.” That’s when I had to tell him that the news media that he’s been watching misleads and misinforms him, regularly. His shocked look was filled with disbelief and wonder. I did manage, however, to get him to stop listening to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh five, six years ago!

    Progress…

  118. A Nation of Cowards?
    http://my.firedoglake.com/tomengelhardt/2014/07/10/rebecca-gordon-a-nation-of-cowards/

    The CIA in particular and more recently U.S. special operators have made global kidnappings — oops, renditions — a regular beat since 9/11. A kind of rampage, actually. As it happens, whatever it can’t do these days, the “sole superpower” still has the ability to make the global rules to its own liking. So when we wield the “R” word, it couldn’t be more “legal” or at least, as U.S. experts will testify, the only reasonable way to go. Of course, when others wield the “K” word, can there be any question of the nastiness or illegality of their acts? Here’s a guarantee: not a chance. Any judge-jury-and-executioner-rolled-into-one approach to the world (as with, for instance, the CIA’s drone assassination campaigns) is an ugly way to go and will look even uglier when other countries adopt the latest version of the American Way. As with torture (oops, sorry again, “enhanced interrogation techniques”), making global kidnapping your loud and proud way of life is a dangerous path to take, long term, no matter how bad the bad guys are that you may be rendering to justice.
    (Continued)

  119. John Oliver,
    Here’s another example of “progress”.
    Background: spending a week with my father, a died in the wool conservative and consumer of FOXNews and media propaganda.

    The other night I told him, in conjunction of “how fast things are changing” (see proud post) about a discussion I attended where the speaker is a Native American Elder (a teach in during an Occupy event). In this teach in, she was examining how our culture is one bent on immediate gratification rather than forward thinking and how, when her Elders would get together to plan and make decisions they did so with the idea that the decisions they make are decisions that will affect the next ten generations. This way they bear responsibility of their decisions well long after they’ve passed. (FYI this should demonstrate a reverse progress in a society)

    So, today whe enjoying calm waters on a lake when the temperature was topping 95, I showed him a website on my iPhone that can predict average mean temperatures of today versus what they will be in the year 2100. Knowing that he’s bought into the immediate gratification of NOW and measuring his personal success accordingly and his past demonstration of disbelief in Global Climate Change he stated, “well I won’t be around, so?” I then repeated, “the year 2100… In 85 years.” He paused… Then began to ask, “who’s kids would that affect?” “Maria’s (his grand child) grand children, dad,” I said. “Your great, great grand children will be affected.” His response, “Oh!”

    … Progress.

  120. Just to clarify my last post-it referred to the mess in Iraq. It was referring to another YouTube video that followed the FBI torturing our own citizens abroad-that too is ludicrous!

  121. How can one expect anything decent and psychologically sophisticated from a guy whose body language is so full of arrogance, and lacks understanding about the human condition in the Universe (true humility comes from self knowledge…?)…who among us will be writing books on our own lives without having done anything significant first, or after (did Einstein write about his own life before or after the Special theory of Relativity?). It is a shame on us that this is the kind of character we have lifted to the highest office in the country.

  122. Max,
    You may have saved your grandfather’s life. After enduring an 85 year progressive indoctrination, it might have stopped his heart or given him a massive stroke to learn about our nation’s founding principles. You should feel proud to continue the progressive traditions that shun independent thought, self-reliance, reason and logic. Maybe there’s an app for that too!

  123. Bush looked Pootie Poot in the eye and discovered his good soul, but no elite journalists wrote him a letter.

    They were all in bed with the troops over in the murdered nation.

    So, preznit blush continued to continue bushisms and schisms aplenty:

    1. “Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”—Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

    2. “I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family.”—Greater Nashua, N.H., Chamber of Commerce, Jan. 27, 2000

    3. “Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?”—Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000

    4. “Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB/GYNs aren’t able to practice their love with women all across the country.”—Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004

    5. “Neither in French nor in English nor in Mexican.”—declining to answer reporters’ questions at the Summit of the Americas, Quebec City, Canada, April 21, 2001

    6. “You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.”—Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001

    7. “I’m the decider, and I decide what is best. And what’s best is for Don Rumsfeld to remain as the secretary of defense.”—Washington, D.C., April 18, 2006

    8. “See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.”—Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005

    9. “I’ve heard he’s been called Bush’s poodle. He’s bigger than that.”—discussing former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, as quoted by the Sun newspaper, June 27, 2007

    10. “And so, General, I want to thank you for your service. And I appreciate the fact that you really snatched defeat out of the jaws of those who are trying to defeat us in Iraq.”—meeting with Army Gen. Ray Odierno, Washington, D.C., March 3, 2008

    11. “We ought to make the pie higher.”—South Carolina Republican debate, Feb. 15, 2000

    12. “There’s an old saying in Tennessee—I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, fool me once, shame on—shame on you. Fool me—you can’t get fooled again.”—Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

    13. “And there is distrust in Washington. I am surprised, frankly, at the amount of distrust that exists in this town. And I’m sorry it’s the case, and I’ll work hard to try to elevate it.”—speaking on National Public Radio, Jan. 29, 2007

    14. “We’ll let our friends be the peacekeepers and the great country called America will be the pacemakers.”—Houston, Sept. 6, 2000

    15. “It’s important for us to explain to our nation that life is important. It’s not only life of babies, but it’s life of children living in, you know, the dark dungeons of the Internet.”—Arlington Heights, Ill., Oct. 24, 2000

    16. “One of the great things about books is sometimes there are some fantastic pictures.”—U.S. News & World Report, Jan. 3, 2000

    17. “People say, ‘How can I help on this war against terror? How can I fight evil?’ You can do so by mentoring a child; by going into a shut-in’s house and say I love you.”—Washington, D.C., Sept. 19, 2002

    18. “Well, I think if you say you’re going to do something and don’t do it, that’s trustworthiness.”—CNN online chat, Aug. 30, 2000

    19. “I’m looking forward to a good night’s sleep on the soil of a friend.”—on the prospect of visiting Denmark, Washington, D.C., June 29, 2005

    20. “I think it’s really important for this great state of baseball to reach out to people of all walks of life to make sure that the sport is inclusive. The best way to do it is to convince little kids how to—the beauty of playing baseball.”—Washington, D.C., Feb. 13, 2006

    21. “Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream.”—LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000

    22. “You know, when I campaigned here in 2000, I said, I want to be a war president. No president wants to be a war president, but I am one.”—Des Moines, Iowa, Oct. 26, 2006

    23. “There’s a huge trust. I see it all the time when people come up to me and say, ‘I don’t want you to let me down again.’ “—Boston, Oct. 3, 2000

    24. “They misunderestimated me.”—Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000

    25. “I’ll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office.”—Washington, D.C., May 12, 2008

    (Slatey Slate Slate).

  124. Max-1 wrote “Court allows FBI to torture Americans abroad”

    Anyone seeking the truth should not watch RT or any other Kremlin-owned television station. Many times RT has been caught presenting lies as journalism. I need only give one outrageous example to prove my point, but I’ll give a few.

    http://www.rferl.org/
    – Pro-Separatists Mislead With Recycled Images
    – Bordering On Delusion: Where Are All The Russian Refugees?
    – How Russian Media Turned Construction Site Into ‘Concentration Camp’
    – Russian Media Coverage Of The Donetsk Attack On Pro-Ukraine Protesters
    – Russian TV Anchor Implies Jews Brought Holocaust On Themselves

  125. Hey Laser;

    I read this blog often and never (until now I believe) comment. It’s fun to watch the thoughts of others both anonymous and named. It’s my “Days of our Lives”.
    At first, I agreed with many that you should stfu; but then I started looking at your links. Either you are one heck of a forger, or you have a bag of evidence against some very serious people.

    So, I’ve changed my mind and want to see and hear more. Will go to your websites and look at the evidence you have posted on that Citizen’s blog also. You can take solace in the fact that, in my particular case, I never would have known anything about Willard, until your postings.

    I regret voting for the man!

  126. Personanongrata & Jill,

    I first came across the Smith-Mundt act while reading about Douglas Feith and his Office of Special Plans disseminating pro-Iraq war propaganda.

    Gene Howington, a former weekend blogger here, brought up the 2013 amendment to Smith-Mundt back in August of 2013.

    With the recent revelations of Snowden & Greenwald regarding online governmental propaganda schemes, I’m wondering if either of you have come across a good summary of this issue.

  127. “One might notice that for three of these books, the New York Times seems to have been a part of ensuring these books were ignored and forgotten. Miller reflected on how reviews are used to discredit and marginalize books, sharing his own personal experience:

    [W]ith Fooled Again, my book about the theft of the 2004 election: I was really flabbergasted by the response—or non-response—to that book when it came out in 2005, after a major cover story in Harper’s. Although It was a major publisher that did it—Basic Books—and though it was, and is, a very meticulously documented study, which garnered laudatory blurbs from [Representative] John Conyers and a lot of people who aren’t nuts, Fooled Again was pointedly ignored by the media, and I couldn’t get any interviews on NPR, although I’d previously done them often, on all sorts of subjects.

    It seemed like he had been put on some kind of blacklist. Even the left attacked his book. Salon and Mother Jones did not like it. “It was written off as conspiracy theory,” a phrase which he notes has been deployed for years police dissident ideas, chill vital investigations and inhibit freedom of expression.”

    I’m going to put the link to this story in the next post.

  128. “Once again, the White House has a virtually army of commenters and blog surfers who continually deflect such criticism by referring to how much worse the Republicans are or simply changing the subject.”

    Thank you, Professor Turley for speaking the truth.

    All prior presidents likely wished they could suppress the press, but Obama has actually done so at record levels that cannot be denied.

    I do not like this precedent. For what future president, no matter the party, will willingly deviate from the course Obama has set against a free media?

  129. Jill,

    That’s an interesting link, but it’s not quite what I was talking about.

    Here’s Glenn Greenwald’s expanded discussion on the topic:

    “One of the many pressing stories that remains to be told from the Snowden archive is how western intelligence agencies are attempting to manipulate and control online discourse with extreme tactics of deception and reputation-destruction. It’s time to tell a chunk of that story, complete with the relevant documents.

    Over the last several weeks, I worked with NBC News to publish a series of articles about “dirty trick” tactics used by GCHQ’s previously secret unit, JTRIG (Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group). These were based on four classified GCHQ documents presented to the NSA and the other three partners in the English-speaking “Five Eyes” alliance. Today, we at the Intercept are publishing another new JTRIG document, in full, entitled “The Art of Deception: Training for Online Covert Operations.”

    (Cont.)

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

  130. “Paul C. Schulte
    Dredd – Obama is the President of the United States, but he is not my President. I voted for Mickey Mouse both times.”

    This “presidency” will be annulled ultimately. He won the vote but he is not eligible.

    The son of a citizen of a foreign country is not eligible to be president. The whole world may love him but the Constitution says he can’t be president. Sorry. You have other motives and desires so you refuse and ignore the obvious.

    Ben Franklin said he was very happy to receive multiple copies of The Law of Nations which the Founders “pounced on” to find new legal courses. British law was rejected, verbally by many, as was the entire British Empire. The Law of Nations required “parents” and succession from the “father” not the mother. The Founders understood and perceived no equivocation in the phrase, “natural born citizen” having studied the Law of Nations and Vattel.

    Your perception is at odds with the content of the following letter.

    *******************************************************************************************

    “”Fearing foreign influence on a future President and Commander in Chief of the American military, the future first U.S. Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, on July 25, 1787, asked the convention presiding officer George Washington to strengthen the requirements for the Presidency:

    “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Command in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.” “”

    The ONLY possible way for John Jay, George Washington, et. al., to “strengthen the requirements for the Presidency” was to require that BOTH parents be citizens. The highest office would then have the highest requirements and the literal requirements are higher for president than senator, demonstrating gradation.

    The truth of Obama is being deliberately withheld from the public by the media because they want to influence and direct support for a political, ideological agenda. The media oppose and suppress the Constitution and the truth.
    YOU DON’T WANT TO SEE THE TRUTH. You just read it.

  131. Vattel’s “The Law of Nations
    Book I Chapter 19

    § 212. Citizens and natives.

    The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

  132. NSA chief knew of Snowden file destruction by Guardian in UK

    Revelation contrasts markedly with White House efforts to distance itself from UK government pressure to destroy disks

    General Keith Alexander, the then director of the NSA, was briefed that the Guardian was prepared to make a largely symbolic act of destroying documents from Edward Snowden last July, new documents reveal.

    The revelation that Alexander and Obama’s director of national intelligence, James Clapper, were advised on the Guardian’s destruction of several hard disks and laptops contrasts markedly with public White House statements that distanced the US from the decision.

    White House and NSA emails obtained by Associated Press under freedom of information legislation demonstrate how pleased Alexander and his colleagues were with the developments. At times the correspondence takes a celebratory tone, with one official describing the anticipated destruction as “good news”.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/11/nsa-chief-knew-snowden-file-destruction-guardian-uk

  133. Newly Obtained Emails Contradict Administration Claims on Guardian Laptop Destruction

    By Glenn Greenwald 11 Jul 2014, 11:46 AM EDT

    On July 20, 2013, agents of the U.K. government entered The Guardian newsroom in London and compelled them to physically destroy the computers they were using to report on the Edward Snowden archive. The Guardian reported this a month later after my partner, David Miranda, was detained at Heathrow Airport for 11 hours under a British terrorism law and had all of his electronic equipment seized. At the time, the Obama administration—while admitting that it was told in advance of the Heathrow detention—pretended that it knew nothing about the forced laptop destruction and would never approve of such attacks on press freedom. From the August 20, 2013, press briefing by then-deputy White House press secretary Josh Earnest:

    Q: A last one on the NSA—The Guardian newspaper, following on everything that was discussed yesterday—The Guardian is saying that British authorities destroyed several hard drives, because they wanted to keep secrets that Edward Snowden had leaked from actually getting out. They were stored in The Guardian‘s—they had some hard drives there at their offices. British authorities went in there and destroyed these hard drives. Did the American government get a heads up about that the way you did about the person being detained?

    MR. EARNEST: I’ve seen the published reports of those accusations, but I don’t have any information for you on that.

    Q: And does the U.S. government think it’s appropriate for a government, especially one of our allies, to go in and destroy hard drives? Is that something this administration would do?

    MR. EARNEST: The only thing I know about this are the public reports about this, so it’s hard for me to evaluate the propriety of what they did based on incomplete knowledge of what happened.

    Q: But this administration would not do that, would not go into an American media company and destroy hard drives, even if it meant trying to protect national security, you don’t think?

    MR. EARNEST: It’s very difficult to imagine a scenario in which that would be appropriate.

    But emails just obtained by Associated Press pursuant to a Freedom of Information Act request (FOIA) prove that senior Obama national security officials— including Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and then-NSA chief Keith Alexander—not only knew in advance that U.K. officials intended to force The Guardian to destroy their computers, but overtly celebrated it.

    (cont.)

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/07/11/newly-obtained-emails-contradict-administration-claims-guardian-laptop-destruction/

  134. When Ben Franklin received copies of Vattel’s work, he said they were “pounced on.”

    A child born of a single citizen-parent or no citizen-parents is a CITIZEN not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

    The SCOTUS should have denied eligibility.

    If the case was never “brought,” Nancy Pelosi should be prosecuted for malfeasance, malicious negligence and dereliction of duty as the Speaker vets candidates.

    There is a reason criteria are applied for eligibility for the presidency.

  135. “Dredd John, You are such a John. The presstitutes “love” you.”

    I’ll take that as a compliment. I think you agree with me…and the facts and the truth.

  136. John:

    The “natural born citizen” issue was litigated to death on this site several years ago. You are welcome to visit those exchanges if you wish, but the Founders relied upon the law of England on the issue of citizenship. Vattel was a continental writer of great importance, but not on this issue in this country. I doubt that anyone wishes to rehash all of the old arguments. If you take a look at the old threads, you’ll understand why.

  137. Bob Esq: An article in Vanity Fair reported that the Guardian stored the Snowden files in a vaulted room on computers that had never been connected to the internet. Cell phones were not allowed into the room, not even when turned off; the NSA has the capability to activate them and download information off computers. Oddly, paper cups were not allowed into the room either. Now what can the NSA do with paper cups?

  138. MA,

    I did not address you directly. I responded to another party. I don’t set the topic of debate on this thread and I have no desire to present the truth and facts to someone compelled by ideology to ignore them.

    I believe there exists a difference of opinion and intent between you and the Founders. Perhaps you should take your deficit in the matter up with them. It’s akin to saying the Founders implemented redistribution of wealth and governmental control of the economy. That could not possibly have been further from the truth yet America currently is a collectivist state fully engaged in redistribution with its government in full control of the economy. Somehow, the intent of the Founders was misconstrued and lost. How and why did the Supreme Court fail the Preamble, Constitution and Bill of Rights?

    It is also interesting that lawyers, firms, a judge and a jury determined OJ Simpson to be innocent of murder as 7 Billion citizens on the planet observed the facts and knew him to be guilty.

    I referred to the comments of one Ben Franklin who stated clearly that the Law of Nations was “pounced upon.”

    In letter form, Jay and Washington agreed to raise or increase the requirement to the highest status of citizenship for the office of the President and Commander In Chief, to avoid foreign allegiances, something that is eminently intuitive. Jay, Washington et. al. raised the requirement at the last minute, clearly demonstrating a break with English law, and they DID NOT quote English or any other body of law. Vattel was most similar. It is preposterous to suggest, after reading the Jay/Washington letter, that the son of a foreign citizen father, having only one parent, a mother, who was an American citizen, would be allowed to become the President and Commander in Chief.

    Statements were made by Founders specifically rejecting the law of England:

    “”Given the profound differences between the citizenship rules associated with the English common law and those connected with American national citizenship, it is evident that the Founders did not use English common law to define what an Article II “natural born Citizen” is but rather used the law of nations for that purpose which became incorporated into and became federal common law.

    *******************************************************************************************

    George Mason, the “Father of the Bill of Rights” and one of the “Founding Fathers” of the United States, proclaimed:

    “The common law of England is not the common law of these states.”

    ( Debate in Virginia Ratifying Convention, 19 June 1788).

    *******************************************************************************************

    To the extent that the English common law was relied upon in the colonies and States, that law was at the time that the Constitution was adopted “to a greater or less extent, recognized as the law of the States by which the Constitution was adopted.” The English common law would, however, be applied to determine questions of citizenship only if the written law was silent, i.e., there was no statute or federal or state court decision on the subject. Ludlam, Excutrix, & c., v. Ludlam, 26 N.Y. 356 (1863). But the Founders did not rely upon the English common law to define the new national United States citizenship that they created for the new Constitutional Republic. Rather, the Founders replaced the English common law with the law of nations which became the new U.S. federal common law and the law of the federal government.””

    I wonder what the American Revolution accomplished if not rejection of
    everything English. These seem like points that might be understood even by Obama apologists.

    I am inordinately pleased to hear your final ruling in this matter. I am not sure it demonstrates particular insight, accuracy or veracity. I know it doesn’t reflect anything factual.

  139. The proof is in the pudding with the tastiest serving being Arthur who was so convinced of the requirement of two citizen-parents, he was compelled to lie. All of Arthur’s predecessors were natural born citizens with two citizen-parents.

    *******************

    “”All presidents born after 1787, except for Chester Arthur and Barack Obama, met the “natural born Citizen” criteria, i.e., born on U.S. soil to a mother and father who were themselves U.S. citizens at the time of the President’s birth. Neither Arthur nor Obama were “natural born Citizens” at the time of birth. Arthur was born to an alien father who also made his U.S. citizen mother an alien. Obama was born to a non-U.S. citizen father who never became a U.S. citizen and, being here only on a temporary student visa, was never even an immigrant. There have been 46 Americans that have served as Vice-President (not including Mr. Biden). Ten were born before 1787. All Vice-Presidents born after 1787, except for Chester Arthur, met the “natural born Citizen” criteria. Fourteen Vice Presidents have gone on to be President.””

  140. John Oliver,
    I don’t get you…
    I’ve clearly stated this is my father and NOT my grandfather, twice in specific replies to you. And when I do open up to you about what propaganda has done to him, you kick me in the nuts.

    Go figure…

  141. Saucy,
    Specifically… Was the report I posted incorrect?
    Please link it if it was because throwing straw men at “IT” reveals ulterior motives.

    ps
    ABCNNBCBS&FOXNEWS propagandize Americans regularly with lies… ER, misinfo, ER, disinformation. This happened the other day… Sympathetic reporting, or a bad Teleprompter feed. With a smooth read? You decide… They had to issue a recorrection because of the ridicule. Good thing too. Imagine had no one spoke up.

    Now, should I start linking to FOXNews(R)?

  142. John Oliver
    In 2008 my father was calling Obama a Kenyan Muslim…
    … What group think produced that whopper?

    And to think…
    … You attack independent thought as some progressive conspiracy.

    Have I misunderstood you, yet?

  143. More press freedom authorized by great defender of freedom around the world–President Obama!!!

    ” Due to heavy redactions in the FOIA responses, it is not known whether the NSA communicated with British intelligence during the raids, or whether the US government pressurised Downing Street into authorising them.

    In a statement to the AP, the Guardian said it was disappointed to learn that “cross-Atlantic conversations were taking place at the very highest levels of government ahead of the bizarre destruction of journalistic material that took place in the Guardian’s basement last July.”

    “What’s perhaps most concerning is that the disclosure of these emails appears to contradict the White House’s comments about these events last year, when they questioned the appropriateness of the U.K. government’s intervention,” the newspaper said. ” see at naked capitalism.

  144. The goal of any victim and/or person (yours truly) fighting great powers that (such as Manning, Snowden, Assange, David Weber of SEC {look it up}) – when we go to the main stream about a story – is to

    Garnish qualitative attention to a particular

    in hopes of their re-tell to quantitative persons

    to achieve a result

    Romney owns Bain that owns Clear Channel (800 stations with Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck etc.,), Faux News and special interests own WaPo and WSJ.

    We get “their” words, sounds and pictures still and/or moving;
    for the sake of results that are usually agendas veiled.

    This realm is no different. The Professor prints and/or allows to be typed upon this virtual realm, those items they think noteworthy for the sake of.

    Bias is as bias does!

    I’m just sayin……………………………..

  145. LDL, AI is back! O.K. Thank you for telling us again about Romney.

    Now what do you think of Obama being in on the destruction of Snowden’s documents?

  146. Max,
    I did miss you making that clear, twice. My apologies.

    Regarding the “Kenyan Muslim” issue; He clearly is of a Kenyan father but I don’t believe any evidence has been provided that he follows the Muslim religion. No one but he knows what’s in his heart and being Muslim shouldn’t disqualify anyone from the office.

    I understand M.A. would like the “legal” debate over the natural-born citizen to be closed. The unfortunate fact is the issue would be closed had this President not lived up to Vattel’s argument on “why” this requirement should be enforced.

  147. John,

    Do you have any thoughts about the suppression of free speech by Obama, regardless of his parent’s birth origin?

    For example, what do you think of Obama’s working hand in hand with the British govt. to destroy Snowden’s documents at the Guardian?

  148. Jill,
    My position is exactly as was originally intended; the citizens empower a government for the security of unalienable rights. That’s where I begin and I don’t discriminate by party or ideology.

    I don’t believe government employees can be constitutionally compelled to violate the first duty of government; securing the rights of its citizens. There must be an avenue for the employees to raise concerns regarding suspected constitutional violations without fear of retribution. The Whistleblower Protection Act, as I understand it, provides that avenue but I’m not certain that works as advertised.

    I don’t believe the framers ever wanted the citizens to trust government to the point they were no longer required to account for their actions. I believe they understood human nature better than most people today. While nearly every aspect of civilization does change or “progress” from where it was, human nature does not. A civil society really needs only enough government to secure rights, and no more. Believing a government will limit itself to only those powers necessary to accomplish this purpose is pure ignorance. Denying oneself the opportunity to learn why this is true, after being exposed to the possibility; well, that’s willful ignorance. In my opinion, that is the lowest form of citizenship.

    Every document that Snowden took should be preserved to determine the extent, if any, of violations of the rights of the citizens. As with the IRS scandal, the destruction of possible evidence must be considered as an attempt to prevent the truth of government abuse from being exposed. Our government should NEVER be considered innocent until proven guilty.

  149. John, I take away from what you wrote that you do think it is wrong for Obama to order the suppression/destruction of the Snowden documents and for him to prevent govt. employees from speaking freely to the press. Thanks for explaining your thoughts.

  150. There is a lawsuit going on in North Carolina to stop the new voting laws which limit early voting, poll times, registration, so as to limit minority voting. Its Republican Jim Crow in NC. The white newspapers are not covering the litigation or the issue at all. The New Bern Sun Journal has all sorts of mug shot sections, articles on the civil war history, and whatnot. But other than whatnot, not the real news on an important topic. If one does a Google Search one can find about four papers that cover it within the state. Nothing on the television here in Eastern NC. The Southern Strategy of Lee Atwater for the RepubliCon Party is paying off. They took over the House, the Senate and the Governorship. The Governor is some schmuck named Pat McCrory. You ought to hear him talk. He employs one of those phony southern drawls on television but it winnows down when he is yakking in private with his bank pals in the saloon in Raleigh. All the news that’s fit to print. Mugshots, state fairs, weekends at the barbeque and photos of sharks caught at the beach.

  151. Al’z’,
    Would you please identify the language in the laws that will limit minority voting? Speaking from a voting rights perspective, you shouldn’t have any problems garnering support from conservative groups. We believe everyone verified eligible to vote should participate in the process and by no means should a law exist that has language to exclude anyone eligible.

    Is there an effort to close down the white newspapers? I’m shocked in this day and age a newspaper would identify itself as “white only”. Of course I wouldn’t support any effort to shut down a business solely because someone “perceived” it didn’t fit their idea of what is newsworthy.

    Your comment about Atwater’s southern drawl resonates with me. I have no doubt you would agree it is intended to pander to a certain audience gullible enough to believe the person is one of theirs. Not dissimilar to how Obama routinely employs that same communication style.

  152. John: How many bubbles in a bar of soap? You must not have lived in the South before the Voting Rights Act of 1965. The New Bern Sun Journal is a newspaper that refuses to acknowledge the disputes going on over black voting rights. The Sun Journal is quite good at publishing mug shots. All the news that is fit to print. I lived in that area of the state for a while and know about how all the news that is fit to print gets printed. Tank Dog I am out of there and living in Amersterdam.

  153. All President’s, including Obama, seek to suppress any dissemination of information that is adverse to their current agendas.

    Presidential Puppetry is written by Andrew Kreig.
    http://www.presidentialpuppetry.com/

    Mr. Kreig is an attorney at law (so he is forbidden to tell anything but truth). Andrew also wrote another book, 25 years ago, detailing the demise of American independent journalism. He did such as he witnessed the demise of of integrity of the Hartford Courant (America’s oldest paper)-

    It’s titled “Spiked”

    Available on Amazon, Spiked Management Corrupted America’s Newspapers.

    If you wish to know the truth, you can read both of these for under $10 total.

    But beware – You simply CAN”T handle the Truth!

  154. LaserDLiquidator,

    Did the “your comment is awaiting moderation” message appear immediately after your posted your comment? I have been reviewing your comment to see why this happened.

  155. LaserDLiquidator,

    After testing this a bit I found out why this happened.

    In the comment there was a link to a book on Amazon. The wordpress system then crafted this as ad having the picture of the book along with a button to go directly to the book’s article. The jonathanturley blog is likely set up to place these ads into moderation and this setting will take precedence over the wordpress’ system settings.

    I deleted the Amazon link during my tests and confirmed this is what happened. To avoid this moderation flag, commentators can omit links to items for sale on Amazon.

    I removed the subject link and have “approved” your comment above.

    Darren

  156. MA,

    “From 1776 to 1783, the more the United States progressed, the greater became Vattel’s influence,” wrote Albert de Lapradelle.

    YOU SAID, ” the Founders relied upon the law of England on the issue of citizenship. Vattel was a continental writer of great importance, but not on this issue in this country.”

    If English law were simply superimposed on America, why did Franklin say they were without precedents? Why did Mason say “we can establish the government we please and that English law was not the law of the U.S.?

    “Natural Born Citizen” is uniquely American requiring “parents” per the Law of Nations which the Founders “pounced upon,” not on your ” continent,” but in the “library here” (Franklin), the College of Massachusetts Bay and “continually in the hands of the members of our Congress.”

    *******************************************************************************************

    Read Ben Franklin’s words after receiving copies of The Law of Nations:

    “Vattel’s Law of Nations was thereafter “pounced upon by studious members of Congress, groping their way without the light of precedents.”

    Further, you might enjoy the words of George Mason:

    “WE CAN ESTABLISH THE GOVERNMENT WE PLEASE.”

    “THE COMMON LAW OF ENGLAND

    IS NOT THE COMMON LAW OF THESE STATES.”

    *******************************************************************************************

    GEORGE MASON TEXT FOR YOUR PERUSAL:

    “Where did their constitution originate? It

    is founded on a number of maxims, which, by long time, are rendered sacred

    and inviolable. Where are there such maxims in the American Constitution? In

    that country, which we formerly called our mother country, they have had,

    for many centuries, certain fundamental maxims, which have secured their

    persons and properties, and prevented a dismemberment of their country. The

    common law, sir, has prevented the power of the crown from destroying the

    immunities of the people. We are placed in a still better condition — in a

    more favorable situation than perhaps any people ever were before. We have

    it in our power to secure our liberties and happiness on the most unshaken,

    firm, and permanent basis. We can establish what government we please. But

    by that paper we are consolidating the United States into one great

    government, and trusting to constructive security. You will find no such

    thing in the English government. The common law of England is not the common

    law of these states.

    ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

    During 1775, Charles Dumas, an ardent republican [as opposed to a monarchist] living in Europe sent three copies of Vattel’s Law of Nations to Benjamin Franklin. Here is a portion of Franklin’s letter of Dec. 9, 1775 thanking Dumas for the books:

    “… I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the law of nations. Accordingly that copy, which I kept, (after depositing one in our own public library here, and sending the other to the College of Massachusetts Bay, as you directed,) has been continually in the hands of the members of our Congress, now sitting, who are much pleased with your notes and preface, and have entertained a high and just esteem for their author…” (2nd para) [boldface added]

    Vattel’s Law of Nations was thereafter “pounced upon by studious members of Congress, groping their way without the light of precedents.”

    Years later, Albert de Lapradelle wrote an introduction to the 1916 ed. of Law of Nations published by the Carnegie Endowment.[2] Lapradelle said the fathers of independence “were in accord with the ideas of Vattel”; they found in Vattel “all their maxims of political liberty”; and:

    “From 1776 to 1783, the more the United States progressed, the greater became Vattel’s influence. In 1780 his Law of Nations was a classic, a text book in the universities.” (page xxx) [emphasis added]

    In footnote 1 on the same page (xxx), Lapradelle writes:

    “… Another copy was presented by Franklin to the Library Company of Philadelphia. Among the records of its Directors is the following minute: “Oct. 10, 1775. Monsieur Dumas having presented the Library with a very late edition of Vattel’s Law of Nature and Nations (in French**), the Board direct the secretary to return that gentle-man their thanks.” This copy undoubtedly was used by the members of the Second Continental Congress, which sat in Philadelphia; by the leading men who directed the policy of the United Colonies until the end of the war; and, later, by the men who sat in the Convention of 1787 and drew up the Constitution of the United States, for the library was located in Carpenters’ Hall, where the First Congress deliberated, and within a stone’s throw of the Colonial State House of Pennsylvania, where the Second Congress met, and likewise near where the Constitution was framed

    ** Washington and many Founders spoke French which was the language of England through 1100ad and the legal language of England until the mid 18th century.

  157. MA,

    P.P.S. Jay, Washington, et. al. provided a STRONG CHECK, not a weak or middling check, to the “admission of foreigners…NOR DEVOLVE ON,” any but a natural born citizen. The strongest check is “parents” and “father” in the Law of Nations.

    “Permit me to hint whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government, and to declare expressly that the Command in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”

  158. MA,

    P.P.P.S.

    It is not possible that the intent of securing the Presidency and Commander in Chief stated in the Jay letter was even approximated by the candidacy of a son of a father who was a foreign citizen; that the offices neither be “given” “nor devolve on” a foreign citizen. This candidacy is in direction opposition to Jay and therefore the status as “natural born citizen.”

  159. The new statute endorsed by Gov. McCrory eliminates early voting (that means voting on more than Tuesday), requires voter ID, eliminates same day voter registration and other things. Here is an excerpt from The Guardian (not a North Carolina newspaper):

    A North Carolina law passed last year that requires voters to present photo identification and eliminates same-day voter registration has been called one of the farthest-reaching overhauls to election rules in the country. Now a judge will decide whether it will stay that way.

    Lawyers from the U.S. Department of Justice, the North Carolina NAACP, the League of Women Voters and the American Civil Liberties Union will argue the case against state lawyers over the law in U.S. District Court in Winston-Salem on Monday. U.S. attorneys and civil rights groups are asking a judge for a preliminary injunction to temporarily delay implementation of parts of the law. The hearing is a prelude to a trial scheduled for July 2015 where a judge will determine whether to uphold or strike down the law.

    Civil rights advocates argue North Carolina has a long history of implementing measures — like poll taxes and tests — to hinder African-Americans, the poor and the elderly from voting. Opponents of the law say it will hurt hundreds of thousands of people who want to vote.

    “This is a full assault on the franchise of voting,” said state NAACP President Rev. William Barber.

    The judge in the preliminary injunction case Monday will not rule on whether to uphold or strike down the whole law with the voter ID mandate. Instead, he will decide what, if any, specific parts should be delayed until a final decision on the law is made in 2015.

    On Monday, the Washington Post reported that Attorney General Eric Holder explicitly said that the Department of Justice was filing the lawsuit because the new law will make it harder for African-Americans to exercise their right to vote:

    “The state legislature took extremely aggressive steps to curtail the voting rights of African-Americans,” U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said at a press conference announcing the lawsuit Monday. “This is an intentional step to break a system that was working and it defies common sense.”

    The threat of voter suppression, both real and imagined, is embedded in the hearts of many North Carolinians. The Tar Heel State didn’t abolish the poll tax until 1920, and literacy tests existed in some form or another until at least 1970, the Guardian reports.

  160. There were almost no black voters in NC prior to the Voting Rights Act of 1965. How many bubbles are there in a bar of soap was one of the literacy tests given.
    The Southern Strategy, invented by Lee Atwater (a South Carolinian) is an interesting part of history. Google Search those words and Lee Atwater. It is fun reading. You don’t have to use the N word anymore. You can get the bigot voter to vote RepubliCon by simply ranting about welfare cheats etc.

  161. I’m still not clear how any of this infringes the right to vote only for minorities.

    How does eliminating same-day registration only impact minorities? Is it not reasonable to require everyone, wanting to exercise the right to vote, to commit to a registration deadline? What percentage of voters have this problem? My guess is this is a very small number and not worth opening up the franchise to possible fraud. Instead provide an option for those needing it.

    How does requiring a voter ID only impact minorities? Who in their right mind objects to verifying the identity of person casting a vote to ensure they are eligible? If we in fact have a significant percentage of the population without a government-issued photo ID then we need to address that instead of simply removing the requirement. This is so important, I’m for putting a check box on my tax return form to contribute $5 towards a voter ID fund.

    How does eliminating early voting only impact minorities? This couldn’t be the same pool of minorities that didn’t have enough time to register before Election Day, is it?

    Soap bubbles aside; why do we even require a civics test for those wanting U.S. citizenship? We don’t have an equivalent requirement if you are already a citizen, so why would it matter?

  162. White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest claims that the Obama Administration has been the most transparent in U.S. history. Maybe there is a simple misunderstanding on how each side defines “transparent”. Maybe, while there have been administrations that have secretly usurped power, this administration has been blatant in their effort; so astoundingly open in the process it’s jaw-dropping.

    I’m still waiting for a journalist to ask, what does Obama want to fundamentally transform America into?

  163. One man, one vote democracy proves that one actually can

    “fool all of the people, all of the time.”

    The inexorable result of it is the dictatorship of the proletariat.

    Obama constantly brings more liberal voters over the border every day.

    The conservative party went out of business long ago.

    California and N.Y. are one-party states.

    Who knows who is in control of the dictatorship of the proletariat.

    The puppeteers.

    The “common defence” consists of constant “Crusades.”

    The Founders would be jailed immediately if they showed up today.

    And everybody swears to uphold and support the Constitution.

    May you live in interesting times.

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