“La Mort aux Juifs”: Leading Jewish Group Demands Change In Town’s Name of “Death to Jews”

Rashi_woodcutAnd you thought the Redskins controversy was bad.

There are reports this week is of a bizarre confrontation where the Simon Wiesenthal Centre has asked the French government to rename a small village in central France that is currently called “Death to Jews” (La Mort aux Juifs). However, the town is resisting the efforts to change the name that dates back to the 11th Century.

The conflict has some strong similarities with the Redskins controversy to the extent that defenders are insisting that the name is now a harmless historic relic. Marie-Elizabeth Secretand, deputy mayor of Courtemaux (a village of 289 people that oversees the contested hamlet), insisted that “It’s ridiculous. This name has always existed,. No one has anything against the Jews, of course. It doesn’t surprise me that this is coming up again. Why change a name that goes back to the Middle Ages or even further? We should respect these old names.”

What the town views as historical, others view as genocidal. The Center’s director Shimon Samuels asked the French government to step in to change the name. That raises a question of who makes such a decision. In the United States, this would be entirely a local matter but in France it appears that the federal government may have more authority to force such a change.

philippe_ivThe name could reflect a particularly infamous period in France when Jews were expelled on July 22, 1306 by King Philip IV — known incongruously as Phillip the Fair. (They had actually been expelled in 1182 from France by the earlier King Philip but they had returned) In 1290, Jews were expelled from England by King Edward I and many moved to France. Then the Lateran Council of 1215 summoned by Pope Innocent III forbade the living or working together and trading between Jews and Christians. In 1242, the people even burned 20 cartloads of the Torah in Paris in 1242.

This name is unfortunately not unique. Just a couple of months ago, a Spanish town named Castrillo Matajudios (Little Hill Fort of Jew Killers) changed its name to Mota de Judios (Hill of the Jews).

Putting aside such curious questions like the mascot for the local schools in such places, there remains the fact that the name of these towns clearly contain a genocidal message. Where Redskins is viewed as offensive, these towns are named after homicidal religious pogroms. Perhaps it is time for a new history to be written?

Source: Time

82 thoughts on ““La Mort aux Juifs”: Leading Jewish Group Demands Change In Town’s Name of “Death to Jews”

  1. The French Government is often quite sensitive about changes to their language or wording or influence from imported foreign languages. They have a commission for handling this: The Délégation générale à la langue française et aux langues de France

    Given the disposition of the French Government to protect their language based upon historical usages and preserve dialects indigenous to France, I would suspect that approach might be used toward the name of this town as well.

    The same resolve might apply accordingly with that this same delegation curtails foreign words from importation by defining an etymology original to France as official, rejecting the foreign word. I believe it is likely they will view the outside demand to change place names also.

    Timing might be not ideal to voice such concerns as presently there has been some rather disturbing anti-Semitism incidents in the country, certainly not on an official level, but it is there none-the-less.

  2. I grew up in SE Texas – the Beaumont-Port Arthur area. Just to the north in Orange County there is a road named Jap Lane with an official road sign to that effect. A road with a similar name and road sign existed in Jefferson County until the last few years. At some point that road’s name was changed to Boondocks Road, but Google Earth will find it by entering the name Jap Road.

    Both names resulted, apparently, from families of Japanese ancestry locating to those areas to engage in rice farming. The Orange County road was so named about a hundred years ago. I know less about the date of origin of the Jefferson County name. As a child, I found it curious. As an adult, I find the names offensive as a slur on Japanese-Americans.

  3. Let’s be ecumenical and include Matamoros, Mexico, which means kill Moors. I think it is silly to have to change names after so long.

  4. I am offended by the term Honky Tonk. (Being [1/4] Bohunk [the origin of the slur “honky”] I take offense.)

  5. Might such name-changing tend to transform the faint cry of social conscience, “Niemal wieder, vergesse nicht!” into a boisterous “Immer wieder, immer vergessen…”?

    Santayana? “Ingorance of history…”?

  6. I agree with you, Professor: They should change it. It is offensive, especially at this time when there is righteous anger about the war making on Gaza which I think can be legitimately understood as genocide whether Netanyahu thinks of it that way or not. His actions speak louder than his words and very often his words admit as much. However, the name is hurtful to Jews, who have a magnificent achievement of moral teaching and care for the less fortunate, which the right wing in Israel are betraying. It should also be offensive to all those who are against the ideas that stand behind such names.

  7. It’s unclear what the origins of the term were. The name could very well be a memorial to the time when Jews were persecuted and expelled, rather than a hortatory exclamation, the way the press and blogs are reporting it.

  8. Perhaps it is time for a new history to be written?” – JT

    “Scientists have discovered that ‘the present’ has always existed, but they are not sure about ‘the past’ and ‘the future’.” –Dredd

  9. Jonathan: Consider recent history. America wanted a close ally when WWII was over and we were facing down the Soviets. So we forgot some pirate territory named Vichy France. Yes. Marshall Petain was the President. It was a large portion of France in the West during the Hitler occupation of the rest of France. The Vichy government helped in the Holocaust, rounded up Jews for extermination and killed a good many directly themselves. So, if anyone has a drone, please fly it over this Vichy, Nazi town in France and bomb it. I swear, you folks in America have distorted recollections of recent past genocidal events.

  10. Here is some history of France from wikipedia:

    Vichy France, officially the French State (État français), was the government of Marshal Philippe Pétain’s regime during France’s occupation by Nazi Germany in World War II. From 1940 to 1942, while nominally the government of France as a whole, Vichy only fully controlled the unoccupied zone in southern France, while Germany occupied northern France. Following the Allied landings in French North Africa on 8 November 1942, southern France was also occupied by the Axis on 11 November 1942 through the enactment of Case Anton. The Vichy regime remained in existence, but was reduced to a puppet government.

    After being appointed Premier of France by President Albert Lebrun, Marshal Pétain and his supporters signed the Second Armistice at Compiègne on 22 June 1940 with Germany and established an authoritarian regime by gaining full powers on 10 July 1940 to replace the French Third Republic that was dissolving due to the fall of France earlier in 1940.

    The newly formed French State maintained nominal sovereignty over the whole of French territory as defined by the armistice, per standard international law, and full sovereignty only in the unoccupied southern zone libre (“free zone”). It had limited authority in the northern zones under military occupation. The occupation was to be a provisional state of affairs pending the conclusion of the war, which at the time appeared imminent, and presented advantages such as keeping the French Navy and the colonial empire, and avoiding full occupation of the country, thus maintaining a meaningful degree of independence and neutrality.

    Germany kept two million French soldiers in Germany as forced labourers to enforce its terms, which included a drastic reduction of the French army and air force, a heavy tribute, and numerous other economically and military favourable conditions for the Axis. Vichy authorities were brought in to round up Jews and other “undesirables” such as communists and political refugees. Much of the French public initially supported the new government despite its undemocratic and pro-Axis policies, often seeing it as necessary to maintain a degree of French autonomy and territorial integrity. In November 1942 however, the zone libre was also occupied, leading to the disbandment or scuttling of what remained of Vichy military forces and ending any semblance of independence, with Germany now closely supervising all French officials.

  11. With the new wave of anti-Semitism sweeping Europe and the US I expect more towns changing their names to La Mort aux Juifs. If you understand history you know increased anti-Semitism often precedes very bad times in our time on earth.

  12. Nick got there before I did.
    With the rising anti-Semitism, with countries saying they want to get rid of Israel and they want to get rid of Jews as well this is not merely an historical name or a monument to the persecution as one posted here suggested.
    Were it A:mort pour le français (Death to the French) there would be no controversy I would imagine, they would change it lickety split)

  13. Well, I am extremely pro Israel, and not the least bit anti – semitic, but I think they should leave the village alone and mind their own business. What is it with this conformity of thought stuff on insignificant issues??? Sheeesh, everybody is turning into control freaks.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  14. No one has commented on the selective translation. “La Mort aux Juifs” can be translated either as “death to the Jews” (pejorative) or “the death of the Jews” (commemorative).

  15. “We need a distraction from the UN schools we’re bombing and civilians we’re murdering in Gaza. I know, there’s a town name we desperately need changed at this particular moment in time. That’ll buy some sympathy.”

    PR distractions. And judging from these comments it works, since a 11th century town name is somehow evidence of sweeping waves of anti-Semitism.

  16. The anti-Semitic climate in France has been there for a long time. I lived in Paris during the winter/spring of 1994-’95, a sophomore in high school. During our spring break, we drove up to Normandy and visited the D-Day memorials and beaches. As anyone can tell you if they’ve been there, it is awe inspiring, thinking about the taking of those beaches and how many men died in that effort. Two weeks after we got back to Paris, some person or persons had desecrated the headstones of all of the Jewish graves (easily recognized as they are shaped as Stars of David). They had been spray-painted and smashed, likely with pipes or chains. It was a terrifying display of hatred of both Jews and Americans, and heartbreaking at the same time.

    Antisemitism in France, and most of Europe, is currently at an all-time post-WWII-high. The war between Israel and Hamas only adds fuel to that fire. I don’t think the Simon Wiesenthal Center’s timing on this is coincidental at all. (It also doesn’t sound like it is the first time they have made their demands based on what the French government official said.) It doesn’t matter that the town name is some 900 years old. Hamlets, towns, cities, countries, should neither memorialize hatred, nor honor the memory of bigots. (And yes, I know the United States does the very same thing, especially, though not exclusively, in the South.) Nor should that memory be expunged. They should change the name and create some sort of historical marker, telling the history of the town, its original name and how it came about (if they know), and educate those that visit. Learn, but never forget.

  17. Josh

    Sharp rise in UK antisemitic attacks since start of Gaza conflict

    Figures show hate crimes against Jewish people rose by 36% to 304 in first half of 2014, followed by 130 in July alone http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/01/sharp-rise-uk-antisemitic-attacks-gaza-conflict

    Israel unrest: Anti-Semitic attacks rise as Gaza conflict continues
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/07/24/israel-unrest-anti-semitic-attacks-rise-as-gaza-conflict-continues/

    Not a distraction. Anti Semitism is a reality. The growing waves of anti Semitism is a reality. When you say we want to rid the world of jews, that’s a reality

  18. and another Josh though you can find plenty of articles just by googling anti-Semitism on the rise
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2701365/Anti-Semitic-attacks-rise-Europe-German-French-Italian-foreign-ministers-condemn-growing-hostility-against-Jews-wake-Gaza-conflict.html

    Jewish people are being attacked and abused on the streets of Germany as though the country were back in the Nazi era, political and religious leaders warned yesterday.

    Escalating violence between Israel and Hamas in Gaza has prompted a disturbing rise in anti-Semitism in Europe in the last few days.

    Murderous slogans dating back to the days of Hitler have been chanted at pro-Palestinian rallies in Germany. Jewish-owned shops were attacked and burned in riots in France at the weekend.

    The Israeli ambassador to Germany, Yakov Hadas-Handelsman, said: ‘They pursue the Jews in the streets of Berlin… as if we were in 1938.’

  19. Who are the “They” that Ambassador Hada-Handelsman is referring to? Look at the pictures. They don´t look like their names are Helga and Hans.

  20. @joelbwriter Then quite an incredible coincidence, as I (an American) have never heard of this town or of protests against it’s name, ever, but now (at least on this pro-Israeli blog) it’s important news.

    @lejcaroll Yes, anger against Jews rising isn’t really surprising while Israeli has a massive population-the people of Gaza- in an open-air prison, “settles” more of their land against international law, denies them enough food (the famous “diet”), medicine, working sewage and clean water, fuel, misc. materials, evict them from their homes, burn their olive trees, and drop bombs on them.

    A few hundred incidence that you link don’t really prove some massive resurgence of pre-WWII era anti-Semitism either. But again, good PR.

    As for dangerous rhetoric, quote from religiondispatches.org :The statements of Ovadia Yosef, whose recent passing was met with flattering memorials both in Israel and the US, are legendary. The former Chief Rabbi of Israel and spiritual leader of many Middle Eastern Jews, said, among other things, that Palestinians “should perish from the world” and that “it is forbidden to be merciful to them”; of non-Jews in general, he declared that “Goyim were born only to serve us.” Despite comments like these, his funeral last October was the largest in the country’s history, with 800,000 Israelis attending.

  21. ” I think it is silly to have to change names after so long.”

    I have often thought that such names sometimes serve the useful purpose of reminding us of the past and the progress we have made (hopefully).

    In addition I think taking offense is often over rated and sometimes rises to the level of affectation.

    I would argue that more important than the emotional response of offense is whether the word has political force, is it historical or does it serve as a rallying cry, does it name a place of does it indicate a political position?

    If you believe that offense is always the guide we should follow, then perhaps you should consider my deep discomfort with the n-word and Ta-Nehisi Coates defense of it – at least sometimes, in some cases, by some people.

    If you believe that offense is always the guide then you might want to consider that some of us believe that constructions like ‘sinister politician’ tell lies about left handed people everywhere.

    Some of you might even have some sympathy for the emotional distress that some left handed people feel when they hear speech of a ‘sinister shadow’. But you might also counsel those left handed people to check a dictionary.

    Language changes and so should our response to it.

  22. Maybe it isn’t that anti-Jewish hate crimes that are on the rise, as much as it is that the number of Muslims in Europe is on the rise. Sooo, reduce the hate crimes by getting rid of the Muslims! There, problem solved!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  23. ” reduce the hate crimes by getting rid of the Muslims!”

    You just stated that hate crimes are not on the rise: “it isn’t that anti-Jewish hate crimes that are on the rise”.

    And isn’t there plenty of evidence that antisemitism in Europe is widely based including Christian groups?

    Why not just work on a message of tolerance instead of identifying other out groups to ostracize?

  24. @bigfatmike

    Because what I said is true. European Muslims are behind the rise in anti-Jewish hate crimes. To wit:

    Relations between Muslim and Jewish communities are overwhelmed by the extension of the Middle East conflict to European shores. The hatreds, jealousies, and historic disputes are now playing out in new lands. The conclusions of the European Monitoring Center’s “Summary overview of the situation in the European Union 2001-2005″ only reinforce this conclusion.

    There has been some evidence to support the view that there is some link between the number of reported anti-Semitic incidents and the political situation in the Middle East. … Moreover, some of the data indicate that there have been changes in the profile of the perpetrators. It is no longer the extreme right which is seen as solely responsible for hostility towards Jewish individuals or property. … Instead, victims identified ‘young Muslims,’ ‘people of North African origin,’ or ‘immigrants’ as perpetrators.

    The study concluded that in Europe, “Anti-Semitic activity after 2000 is increasingly attributed to a ‘new anti-Semitism,’ characterized primarily by the vilification of Israel as the ‘Jewish collective’ and perpetrated primarily by members of Europe’s Muslim population.”

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/fomenting_antisemitism_in_euro.html

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  25. There is an exchange student who just entered the admission desk at Chicago School of Law. The student is from France and is with her husband. “Where are you from?” The clerk asks. “We are from France!” “And how did you get the… ah.. cone on your head?” She replies: “We are from France!” The clerk looks through the papers and sees the town name of La Mort aux Juits. “I see.”
    “Admission denied!”
    “Next!”

    Of course we coneheads from Remulak always respond with “We are from France! ” when asked. We cannot explain to these humans on Earth that we are from Planet Remulak. It was just bad luck that we chose such a town of great distinction in France. We should have said Paris.
    True story. The reason we say France is because the Frogs are forgiven a lot of sins. We could not say Germany or Holland. Ou su trouve une toilet?

  26. Its a nobrainer, unlike Redskins which sounds cool and only offensive if you’re a cry baby. If they don’t change the name, then a synagogue should change its name to DeathToParisians & see how they like that! (That’s really how you spell synagogue?!)

  27. Anyway, we are generally appalled to see others treat a race, religion or gender so callously, but past Jewish suppression is no excuse for pressent suppression of Palistinians by Jews & Israelis. I think all Americans are appalled by the recent behavior of the Israeli government AND Hamas. Both are despicable terrorists. If Mohamed throws a bomb in your synagogue, shoot him, hang him, jail him, whatever, but don’t kill his mother and blow the legs off his little niece! That’s plain evil! (and also what terrorism does)

  28. leej, There was a Kristallnacht, French style, in France just a couple weeks ago. I find this all very disturbing. I don’t know how much of the support for the terrorist group, Hamas, is being uninformed, anti-Semitism, or a dysfunctional hybrid.

    A person I consider to be one of the best leaders of the 20th Century, Golda Meier[a cheesehead], said this almost 50 years ago, and NOTHING has changed. “We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We can forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We can only have peace w/ the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.”

  29. @Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter

    I think a rise in antisemitism or prejudice toward any group is a matter of concern to all of us.

    But still your proposed solution to send them back where they came from seems questionable to me – or perhaps this was just another example of your magical, ironic sense of humor.

  30. It is on the rise in the US as well
    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/04/anti-defamation-league-anti-semitism-on-the-rise-in-america/
    Anti-Defamation League: Anti-Semitism On The Rise In America (2011 report)
    and thruout world:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/20/anti-semitism-reports-increase-state-department-says_n_3307979.html
    WASHINGTON — The State Department appointed a special envoy to monitor and combat anti-Semitism Monday as a new report documents a global increase in incidents of anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial

    To those saying Israel is killing Palestinians but not many casualties in Israel, it is only because they have the air defense system. watch and listen to how many missiles were able to be defused, destroyed before hitting Israel and its people.
    Israel is not using schools to store and use weapons, or human shields.
    Israel to my understanding is the only country forced to give back land won in a war. Now on top of that the Palestinians are using that land to launch weapons into Israel.
    I think the war is abhorrent, on both sides, but I think to equate Hamas, who has continually broken the brokered cease with Israel is not a fair comparison. Hamas has proven that want this carnage to continue and unfortunately by doing so tey are getting what they want, the world to be on their side, looking at casualties rather then what Hamas is doing and has done.

    Nick that is a great quotation and she is right.

    (I recall a few years back a friend of mine from Brazil, someone whose husband was a multi timed award winner for his journalism in Brazil (an honor equivalent to the Pulitzer, a couple that dinnered on occasion with the president, so these were not dumb people. My friend was intelligent and traveled with intelligent people told me, seriously and with complete belief, “the jews own all the banks.”
    Antisemitism is alive and well and continues throughout the world.

  31. If I was in London and the rockets were coming in from Ireland, I would bomb the rocket sites, even if they positioned them next to Cat O Lic Monastery or school. The idiots who run the UN schools in Gaza need to be tarred and feathered, shot and tethered, burned at the stake.

  32. This is all part of the worshiping of tradition mentally, something particularly strong among the religious devout. I don’t care about tradition, especially if it is a bad tradition. Policies and institutions shouldn’t be based on tradition. The argument for tradition has been used to deprive women, blacks of the right to vote, and now, gays the right to marry.

  33. BarkinDog
    If I was in London and the rockets were coming in from Ireland
    = = =

    First, England would have to block any entry OR exit from Ireland.
    Second, England would have to limit supplies into Ireland.
    Third, England would have to close all port entries to Ireland.
    Fourth, England would impose sanctions on the civilians trapped in that open air prison.
    Fifth, England would have to incrementally take land and force the Irish from their homes and farms.
    Sixth, England would have to take away political power from the Irish.
    Seventh, England would need to bomb and destroy ALL airports in Ireland.

    Your analogy is way off target…

  34. leejcaroll
    Why ignore the Islamophobia hype in America?

    It’s so ingrained into our society… even Obama’s CIA can’t shake the bigoted language. “raghead” instead of John Doe.

  35. Islamophobia in America on the Rise, Poll Shows
    http://www.newsweek.com/islamophobia-america-rise-poll-shows-262478

    Yesterday I and many others received a press release titled “Stop Hamas – Princess Yasmine become terrorist” [sic]. Attached to the release were a boatload of jpegs depicting Prince Aladdin, Princess Jasmine, Bart Simpson, and a variety of other cartoon characters as “terrorists of Hamas.”

    The artist, “aleXsandro Palombo,” called them “A powerful series of Art Piece about the war in Gaza. A powerful series to meditate. An original awareness campaign focused on the devastating problem of terrorism that affects Israel and Palestine and on child soldiers.”

    While the images might appear to some to be funny in a perverse sort of way — the Jewish Daily Forward called them “more than a little racist” — they underlie shifting attitudes towards Arabs and Muslims in America, especially among Republicans.
    (continued)

  36. If the stated goal of these terrorists is to destroy our “decadent Western culture” and convert the world to Islam. If their goal is to destroy Israel. Then it doesn’t take much knowledge of history to see the comparison to Hitler and Nazism. The world buried their heads in the 1930’s, hoping this crazy movement would die of natural causes. We almost waited too long. I fear we are doing the same now. We need a Churchill and FDR. We don’t have anyone even close.

  37. Give the town $450 million and they will change the name to anything you want.

    Back here in the US, that’s how it’s done. Citi Field (Citigroup) or Met Life Stadium Logos go for about $450 million.

  38. @bigfatmike

    I think eventually Europe has to decide who they are. If they don ‘t get rid of the Muslims, the Muslims will get rid of them. Christianity can be a once a week religion, maybe even once a year, at Easter. Or something you do at funerals and weddings. Islam demands more, and those two seem to be on a collision course in Europe.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Fromm

  39. It fundamentalism that is a danger to everyone, not Mulims, not Christians, not Jews. Add fundamentalism to either group and they become radical.

  40. Squeek
    “…reduce the hate crime by getting rid of the Muslims…” justifying reducing hate crimes by performing hateful and criminal acts! Nice!
    Glad to see that you are different from the Islamist extremists!

  41. Got it, JT.
    Sqeek, you CAN marry a non-Muslim!
    And how is eating ham and not drinking alcohol driving Europe to that fated collision course? At least would reduce the drunk-driving occurrences!

  42. Orthodox Jews, who mostly live in New York, which would make them northern Jews don’t eat ham either Squeeky, would that make them “stupid” too?

  43. Max I wasn’t ignoring it. I was responding to the post(s) indicating anti Semitism was no big deal.
    (and since 9/11 (I do not know about before) anti muslim hatred is very definitely a problem
    Squeeky Orthodox Jews live their religion everyday too so should we get rid of them?
    It is the terrorists who are using Islam as their excuse for their behavior, it is not the religion.

  44. @leecarroll

    At 4:05 pm above I gave a good cite to where the new anti -semitism is coming from. It ‘s Muslims. I have known 3 muslims personally. One at the service station, one at a convenience store, and one at college. All are “nice ” people within a certain ambit, but each of them is rabidly anti -Jewish. Sooo, yes I believe the cite.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  45. Knowing 3 people is anecdotal, it is not an indication of a group of people.
    The home I was raised in was brought by an Iranian family. I went there, maybe 15years ago to ask if I could see the house once more. A woman in Iranian dress slightly opened the door. I thought it was just the usual precautions anyone takes. I introduced myself and told her why I was at her door. She looked at me and said “Are you Jewish?” I said “Yes.” and she closed the door in my face. Does that mean that all Iranians are anti-Semitic? Not if you ask the Jewish Iranian doctor I once dated.
    I have no doubt a lot of the anti Semitism is from the middle east community, there and possibly here, because of the rabid hate that they have been taught. Their children were taught, as we see with ISIS now, to hate and to want to kill. It has been their stated goal of the terrorist muslims, including some of their leaders to annihilate Israel and to rid the world of Jews. That said it does not let others off the hook who are anti-Semitic and happen to non muslim.
    (I had a friend, a veterinarian (and Christian,, tell me a ‘joke” that was absolutely anti semitic. When I pointed that out first she didn’t see it and then I was being thin skinned, Doesn’t make all christian/christian veterinarians anti-Semitic.
    This is how hatred of a group works, this is how the ‘we need to get rid of ( ) works’. All of them are anti semitic, all are anti Christian, anti muslim, progressives, republicans. etc, whatever you disagree with or hate. Better get rid of them before they try and get rid of us
    Always remember Martin Niemöller’s words:

    “First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a communist;
    Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a socialist;
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a trade unionist;
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a Jew;
    Then they came for me—
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.”

  46. Maybe Obama will work on ISIS first. They’re coming to raise their flag in the White House you know. At that point, related European and American conversations will be moot.

  47. @leecarroll

    Sometimes you can make generalizations about a group. IMO. If you think most Muslims are not anti-Jewish, then you have that right. I wish you luck in your interactions with that community.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  48. Sometimes you can make generalizations about a group. IMO. If you think most Muslims are not anti-Jewish, then you have that right. I wish you luck in your interactions with that community.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    how can one ever address this?

  49. @po

    One can ‘t ever address it. Some things are not fixable or amenable to reason. That is how we end up having wars. Do you think anything other than war will ever “address ” the Gazan’s attitude to Israel ‘s very existence???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  50. Gazans’ attitude to Israel’s very existence????

    When Gazans are the ones whose existence is being bloated off by 60 plus years of Israeli oppression?! Nice way of blaming the victims!
    Not unlike shooting an unarmed black boy for being threatening to the heavily armed cop currently verbally abusing him!

    I thought we were talking about Muslims, why are you bringing up Gazans and Israel?

  51. Max as soon as they said Dearborn I knew it had to be related to (essentially(?) ) ethnic profiling.(hear on and off over the years that Dearborn has very high Muslim population.) They are working off of Squeeky’s proposition about Muslims I am afraid

  52. http://time.com/3112186/jewish-anti-semitism-europe-middle-east/

    Squeeky were those the muslims in Scotland, Miami, Europe?

    Synagogues from the UK to France have been defaced, and there’s no sense of outrage to be found

    I wore a Star of David around my neck the entire time I lived in Scotland. I think I’d be uncomfortable doing the same now. The rage emanating from Europe toward Jews is white hot. A synagogue in Surrey was defaced. Another synagogue was vandalized in Miami of all places. But what’s lacking when it happens in Europe is any sense of outrage from the Europeans.

  53. @leecarroll

    And exactly how does YOUR not lumping people into groups protect you from people who do lump people into groups? Because some people lump you into the Jewish group all on their own. That fear you now have about wearing the Star of David is your subconcious brain trying to tell you something. My advice is, “LISTEN!”.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  54. I have been lumped in a group.

    “INFIDEL!” they shout, “Burn in Hell!”

    The group exists who would kill me for not being of their religion.

    They offer the choices of conversion, crucifixion, or catch a boat as they establish their Caliphate.

    There are moderates; of course there are. They don’t bother me. It is those who take these ancient texts as modern knowledge that bother me. Those who believe in the truth of these ancient hoary words and give their very lives in testimony of that belief — they are the ones to worry about.

    Their goal is simple: Global Caliphate.
    Their methods vary: Terrorism, war, sabotage, and demographics (“invade” as friendly immigrants and become a majority).

    I am in a group not of my making. Unless you are their particular sect, so are you, my friend. Or at least enemy of our common enemy by their choice.

  55. красавцы французы, не растеряли ещё чувства национального самосознания)))

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