With Libya now moving to a Sharia-based system that will impose religious values on the population, Egypt is also rapidly moving toward an extreme Sharia based system. Indeed, Hesham al Ashry (the leader of the Salafists) announced this week that “I am the enemy of democracy.”
Businessman Naguib Sawiris now calls Egypt’s future “dim … bad.”
Al Ashry put the reality into perspective: “This is a big opportunity and it’s not going to go back. This was mentioned by the Prophet Mohammed. Peace be upon him. He said this was going to happen.” Thus, the freedom that led to the overthrow of Mubarak regime will now be extinguished to embrace a new form of oppression — just faith-based rather than tyrant-based repression.
One of the objections made to the intervention of the United States in Libya was that, in addition to the absence of any declaration from Congress, President Obama could bring bring about a more radical regime. Even at the time, Libyan rebels were known to have extremist elements, including some linked to Al Qaeda. Some of the same concerns were heard in our Egyptian policies. I am less critical of the Obama policy on Libya. Indeed, I thought the Administration struck the right tone — without military intervention. However, there is a general misconception that the “Arab Spring” necessarily means a triumph of democracy and human rights. Movements in both Libya and Egypt show the powerful pull of theocratic oppression. The denial of the separation of mosque and state (as well as religious freedom) undermines a host of other rights from free speech to free association. The Obama Administration undermined those rights further with its shocking support of a United Nation’s resolution that embraced the concept of blasphemy prosecutions.
With the move to Sharia law, Egypt is showing other signs of extremism. Sectarian violence, particularly against Christians, has increased with little intervention from the military.
The loss of Egypt to religious extremism would be extremely destabilizing for the regime. It will also raise a question of our continued massive support for the country. Even though we have cities and states breaking under economic pressures, we are still pouring billions in aid to both Israel and Egypt.
Keep defending citizen’s rights to free speech, assembly and the protest of injustices that cost millions of people their jobs and/or homes?
Don’t mind if I do.
You two clowns keep trying to blame the symptoms and victims of injustice for the crimes of Wall Street as aided and abetted by Washington.
That way we’ll all be doing what we do best with me defending the Constitution and justice for all and you two defending wealthy criminals who are the root cause of the protests in the first place.
Bdaman:
it is all for the greater good, what is a few sore ass holes to changing the system?
Come on Bdaman, get with the program.
Bdaman, The police are not particularly sympathetic to complaints about crime in the park and may well be encouraging it. Who would have ever thought that?
“Are the NY police relying on criminals and lowlifes to break down the protest in Zuccotti Park?”
by Harry Siegel at the NY Daily News:
“…the NYPD seems to have crossed a line in recent days, as the park has taken on a darker tone with unsteady and unstable types suddenly seeming to emerge from the woodwork. Two different drunks I spoke with last week told me they’d been encouraged to “take it to Zuccotti” by officers who’d found them drinking in other parks, and members of the community affairs working group related several similar stories they’d heard while talking with intoxicated or aggressive new arrivals….”
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/10/are-ny-police-relying-on-criminals-and.html
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Occupy Wall Street protesters at odds with Mayor Bloomberg, NYPD over crime in Zuccotti Park
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/occupy-wall-street-protesters-odds-mayor-bloomberg-nypd-crime-zuccotti-park-article-1.971741#ixzz1cxLfdY24
You keep deflecting Gene, nice job of your support for these hooligans. Oh that’s right the good outweighs the bad. If a few people get banged in the ass it’s all for the greater good.
Looks just like the Tea Party
The threat of rape is very real here — for women and men.
Sitting in the McDonald’s just moments after Bezabeh was hauled off in cuffs, Lauren DiGioia, 26, tells me about how she became one of the growing number of victims on her very first night in the park.
She is now offering counsel to other victims, as new ones crop up every day.
“I just talked to two gentlemen who were raped last night, and they don’t want to press charges because [authorities] wanted to take them in an ambulance and . . . do a rape kit,” she said.
“There was another girl raped by the same man,” she said from a table in the McDonald’s, which has become the headquarters of the revolution.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/my_in_tents_night_amid_anarchy_of_ush5s5NscUZincUN0tF0yO#ixzz1cxGI40rt
“There comes a time when it’s over. This is a disaster. It’s all we’re doing, every two seconds, is locking somebody up every time. It’s done.
“It’s done,” he repeats. “Occupy Wall Street is no longer a protest.”
Scenes like this — and far worse — have been playing out since the Zuccotti Park “occupation” began on Sept. 17.
The parcel is now a sliver of madness, rife with sex attacks, robberies and vigilante justice.
It’s a leaderless bazaar that’s been divided into state-like camps — with tents packed together so densely that the only way to add more would be to stack them.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/my_in_tents_night_amid_anarchy_of_ush5s5NscUZincUN0tF0yO#ixzz1cxEWNSgO
Apologize and make excuses for the Wall Street criminals some more, Bdaman.
Continue to blame the victims and not the causation of the protests in the first place which is of course the unindicted criminals on Wall Street.
What you continue to hear is you shredding what little credibility you might have.
If you don’t think that the peaceful ouster of the British Raj as led by Gandhi wasn’t also accompanied by some ancillary violence? You’d be wrong. If you don’t think that ultimately the cause of the violence was the oppression of the Raj itself? You’d be wrong. If you don’t think that this current situation is exactly analogous to attempting to throw off the yoke of criminal economic exploitation of the many by the few just like the Indian Revolution? You’d be wrong.
You should be used to being on the wrong side of history.
From what I can tell, you’re already on the wrong side of science.
Here it is and the protesters shove to elderly women to the ground. They deserved it because according to Gene they are the evil doers.
Did you see the video of the Lexus running over three people. The one girl didn’t understand why it happened. She said we surrounded the car and the guy pressed the accelerator.
so there are no criminal charges?
Bron what are you talking about, there are plenty. They just happen to be against OW Streeter’s
Lottakatz so I guess your ok with a forced game of in out, in out.
I can hear Gene now you were raped cause your evil and you need to be punished. You had it comin to you because your a part of the support staff,
In the wake of an alleged rape and a sexual assault in Zuccotti Park that resulted in the arrest of an Occupy Wall Street protester earlier this week, the movement has erected a women-only safe-space sleeping tent. According to the Post the 16-square-foot metal-framed tent will be watched by female members of the de-escalation team, and can sleep 18 people. “This is all about safety in numbers,” 24-year-old protester Becky Wartell says.
One 23-year-old woman tells the paper that she’ll be sleeping in the safe space “partially because of the recent attacks that have been happening.” She adds, “I think that this will help bring more women to the movement as well. I think a lot of women have been hesitant and especially for those that are new and don’t know a lot of people it’s hard to find a safe place to stay.”
http://gothamist.com/2011/11/05/occupy_wall_street_erects_women-onl.php
Bron,
Why not read Elaine’s article today if you have questions about fraud.
http://jonathanturley.org/2011/11/06/bank-of-america-the-great-derivatives-transfer/
The problem is crimes have been committed, everyone watching the situation knows it, and the people responsible aren’t be held accountable.
Gene H:
so there are no criminal charges? I thought there were, you keep saying they are criminals.
So there arent any criminal charges? And no one is going to arrested?
I was hoping some one would be arrested and that some laws had been broken so we could stop this type of thing from happening in the future. Now you are telling me that no laws have been broken? And this was done legally?
Considering the thousands of regulations governing banking activities, that is truly unbelievable. You would have thought some one would have broken some law along the way.
I really hope some people go to jail, but apparently they wont. What kind of morons write our banking laws?
Bron,
If you can’t see the fraud that is inherent in and the graft to bring about the deregulation that led up to the CDO shenanigans, then I don’t know what to tell you.
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shano,
Great job and keep up the good work!
I went down to Zuccotti Park in October to deliver warm sweaters and some Thai food. Since then the city has confiscated the generators, including the generator belonging to a vendor who had a permit for his generator.
Now they have a bicycle generator.
The park is amazing. I hope to support them in any way I can, since they give me such hope for some real change in America. God Bless all of these people.
Gene H:
what are the specific crimes that have been commited? Who has committed those crimes?
In my mind the real crime is the lack of ethics on the part of some in the financial industry and in government.
Gene,
🙂
“Democracy is messy but without protest and civil disobedience you have only complete acquiescence or more lethal forms of insurrection.”
Bdaman (to LK): “So regardless who starts what your ok with Chaos in the streets. It’s ok in your book for say 2500 people marching in the street shutting down traffic of everyday people trying to live there lives. Your ok with that.”
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Yes. Absolutely. One of the points of protest/civil disobedience is to make life inconvenient at some level. It’s like the Buddhist teacher tapping his students with a rod to focus their thoughts when he notices their inattention.
I don’t know what your complaining about, disruption has been minimal.
Some good long time ago, at the occasion of the building of the first ‘new’ stadium in St. Louis I think, a long-standing disparity reached the boiling point. Black and minority contractors never got hired for major building projects that the city (taxpayers) subsidized. A coalition of black building related business’, CORE (Congress of Racial Equality), NAACP and, I believe, churches braced the city administration and demanded 15% of the work. (Do the math, white business was guaranteed 85% of the work which is pretty darn good.)
The city and white business said ‘no’. So after the talks broke down the next Monday morning hundreds of protesters occupied the main artery running through the city: Highway 40, the link between the city and the suburbs. No warning, no permits or anything like that, just guerilla action. They shut it down for hours. No one dispersed and most of them ended up in jail until they made bail. The leaders of the protesters said we’ll be back on this highway or some other highway or major artery like Market Street and we’ll keep coming back ’til we get our 15%.
It was all anyone talked about, some pro and some con but the issue got more discussion in a two week period among the citizenry and politicians than it ever before got. That was part of the point.
They did get their 15% and it didn’t take long.
That’s how it’s done. It was sweet. So I reiterate; yes, absolutely it’s OK in my book – desirable in fact – for thousands of people marching in the street and shutting down traffic and disrupting the status quo.
Democracy is messy but without protest and civil disobedience you have only complete acquiescence or more lethal forms of insurrection.
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“McDonald’s Job Applications Dumped On ‘Occupy’ Protesters By Chicago Board Of Trade
Dozens of photocopied McDonald’s job applications were reportedly thrown from the Chicago Board of Trade building and onto Occupy Chicago protestors earlier this week, according to Chicagoist (h/t Mediaite). …”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/04/occupy-chicago-mcdonalds-applications_n_1077133.html