Parliament To Debate Barring Donald Trump From Entry Into The United Kingdom

495px-Donald_Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore220px-Houses.of.parliament.overall.arpWe have previously discussed the alarming rollback on free speech rights in the West, particularly in England ( here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here). England is now a tragic example of how speech regulation and criminalization becomes insatiable — producing a down spiral as more and more speech is found intolerable or criminal. The most recent example is the call to ban Donald Trump from entry into the United Kingdom as someone guilty of hate speech. While I have criticized Trump’s statements about barring Muslims from entering the country, he is entitled to voice his views on immigration and participate in a debate about how we are going to handle both immigration and national security concerns. The chilling thing about this debate in Parliament is not that it will succeed in barring Trump but that it would not be in any way out of order with prior content-based sanctions.

Much of this trend is tied to the expansion of hate speech and non-discrimination laws. We have seen comedians targeted with such court orders under this expanding and worrisome trend. (here and here).

Now even debating the risks of Muslim immigration as a policy is deemed hate speech and sanctionable by many. A far more useful debate on January 18th in Parliament is to look at the rapid decline of free speech in England. It is of course not alone. We have seen politicians like Dutch politician Geert Wilders prosecuted over what should clearly be protected speech. England has blocked Wilders and even speakers like Michael Savage based on disagreements with what they believe and say. Likewise, in France, Marine LePen is under investigation for speaking her mind on immigration.

What is truly distressing is that this petition was started by someone described as a “journalist.” Suzanne Kelly celebrated the news that someone with whom she disagrees could now be barred from entering the country: “However the debate goes, this exercise has brought many people together to speak out against hate speech and prejudice. That is my reward, and one I’m very happy and moved by.” It is a curious reward for a “journalist” to rally a mob against unpopular speakers and seek to impose content-based speech controls.

Kelly appears the very personification of the problem of the addictive aspect of speech controls. Kelly, a contributing writer for the community website Aberdeen Voice, said “The more I looked at Donald Trump and the remarks he has made before entering the presidential race, the more my hackles were rising . . . There are few things a person in my position can do against a person like that but make use of this country’s wonderful laws and procedures.” Those “wonderful” laws involve punishing people with whom you disagree. Time will only tell is speech in the future by Kelly get the “hackles” up of others — who will call for her own silencing or sanctioning. Movements for ensorship and speech controls tend to be like Saturn and devour their own.

Thus, we will watch on January 18th as free people rally around the concept of less freedom — calling for their government to curtail the freedom of everyone in order to silence those with whom they disagree. There is of course an alternative. Kelly could use that journalist identity and actually respond to Trump and his ideas. Now that is a novel concept.

Source: Time

67 thoughts on “Parliament To Debate Barring Donald Trump From Entry Into The United Kingdom

  1. JT So what about free speech. Any way you can keep Trump out of a more evolved society, the better. If only we could keep him out of the US.

  2. JT..again where is the line between yelling fire in a theater and being a major player in US politics going to England with flammatory speach…that which probably will spark or stoke the fire in that country? They have every right to say no to an entry onto to their sovereign soil…into their home(land)..

  3. In the UK if 100k people sign a petition for a topic to be be discussed parliament then it must be brought up for discussion I am not really sure why this is so surprising. Think about how easy it would be to get 100 thousand people sign this.. After the high population of Muslims, the liberals and the social media tag alongers 100 thousand is not that difficult.

  4. It will be especially interesting if Trump is elected President….will the U.K. forbid a sitting American President from entering its country? Will the U.K. cut diplomatic relations with the U.S.? I can’t imagine they would do so, as our supposedly closest ally. Trump would likely be more welcome in Cologne, Germany. He could go there and laugh at Ms Merkel and say, “Ha, ha, I told you so!” I’m sure the citizens of Cologne would agree with him, even as the politicians fumed.

  5. Turnabout upon Redcoats is fair play. We need to start compiling a itShay list of Brits who support this move to ban Trump. Then, when Trump is in office here, ban all those Brits on the itShay list from coming to America. I would include all those in Parliament who do not voice opposition to such Nazi movements in Britain.

  6. They better not rile him. He might buy the place, turn it into his English country home, and only allow his supporters to visit – ‘losers, take their coats!’.

  7. US Code 1182, Inadmissible Aliens.

    This law was written in 1952. It was passed by a Democrat-controlled Congress, House and Senate, and signed by a Democrat president.

    “Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by president. Whenever the president finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, the president may, by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”

    All of the pundits that are claiming that what Trump said is dumb, stupid, reckless, dangerous, and/or unconstitutional, need to educate themselves. It is already the law of the land. And it was utilized by Jimmy Carter, no less, in 1979 to keep Iranians out of the United States, but he actually did more. He made all Iranian students already here check in, and then he deported a bunch. Seven thousand were found in violation of their visas, 15,000 Iranians were forced to leave the United States, 1979.

  8. Amazing! With all the problems the UK is facing, the Parliament is going to debate Dinald Trump. Leaders the world over are consumed by trivialities. While the Saudis murder people for their views and the sectarian wars continue to contribute to a steady stream of angry young Muslim men in to Europe, the Parliament will debate Dinald Trump. Of course resolving these problems would take work so it’s better to debate Donald Trump! The bankers of terrorism come and go in England buying up entire neighborhoods but never mind Donald Trump is the problem?

  9. Brits find it difficult to understand how USAmericans, their own national :”offspring”, can be so extremely ignorant of language, international affairs, the proper way to do things. They feel that they failed as “parents”. Their US “offspring” are vagabond deliquent gang members who embarass the British public when anyone mentions the close association.

  10. This cannot be possible. isaac has assured us that our western “advanced” cultures have evolved away from such thinking. This rollback is not progress but a regression in our civilized cultures. At this rate we will need an entirely new age of enlightenment.

  11. So Trump saying US should ban all Muslims from entering the country is fine, but Brits saying ban Trump is a threat to free speech?

    Trump is a comedic genius and his show should be welcomed by GB. It’s a free show after all. Just a couple morsels of his skit:

    “You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass.”

    “If Hillary Clinton can’t satisfy her husband what makes her think she can satisfy America?”

    “When a man leaves a woman, especially when it was perceived that he has left for a piece of ass — a good one! — there are 50 percent of the population who will love the woman who was left.”

    “I am being proven right about massive vaccinations—the doctors lied. Save our children & their future … Tiny children are not horses.”

    Talk about a laugh a minute. And for free!

    So lighten up Brits. Right? Right? Brits are a bunch of losers. They lost America and now they are losing their sense of humor. Am I right?…………

  12. Trump DID NOT say bar Muslims from entering the country. He said stop them TEMPORARILY until we know what the hell is going on.

    Tired of Liberals always spinning what he says to fit their agenda. I happen to agree with Trump. Keep the Muslims out until we figure out who is who because you can’t them apart.

  13. This post, and the Merkel post, are the main reason I came to this blog. Free speech is a basic human right. Elitists are trying to control speech. There will be blood!

  14. The US has, often times, in the past and it pops up occasionally, not allowed people from other countries with outspoken views-environmentalists, durn communists, etc-to enter the country. Farley Mowat, an internationally acclaimed author and speaker was turned back on his way to deliver a speech, a speech he was invited to give by the US institution.

    The US doesn’t debate it openly or present it in the newspapers. The US simply slips it by. There is a lot of talk, which is good, the issue must remain in the open. However, a little of the pot calling the kettle black as well.

    The British government, as a parliamentary system, is typically more responsive to these sorts of issues. Parliamentarians are less contained by their party and not as often bought and paid for as are US politicians. A lot of this sort of stuff makes its way into Parliament to be debated but rarely results in actions such as denying ‘The Donald’ entry to Great Britain.

    I would think JT would applaud the freedoms the British have in bringing it up and wait until Trump is denied entry to whine about it.

  15. I think that some folks in the UK should apply that same law to Ms. Kelly for promoting hate speech against a legitimate politician. That might sober her up, but I doubt it. At least we can be entertained by her trying to defend herself against the charges.

  16. Trump DID NOT say bar Muslims from entering the country. He said stop them TEMPORARILY until we know what the hell is going on.

    Thank you Lisa for pointing out that Lloyd B is a blatant liar who twists the words that others say to suit his own prejudices.

    A temporary ban in ALL immigration until we can fix the system would seen to be a sensible and safe precaution for our government to take. Stop immigration until we know who is coming in, who we will ALLOW to come in, scan immigrants for disease and qualifications to become a part of our country.

    Either we have borders, rule and laws or we are not a country at all and will revert to bands of vigilantes who are trying to keep ourselves safe. Watch what is happening in Germany for a bell weather of the future.

  17. Trump: “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.” So banning is not total and complete shutdown? Come on.

    That liberal Wall Street Journal is at it again: Donald Trump Calls for Ban on Muslim Entry Into U.S. – WSJ http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-calls-for-ban-on-muslim-entry-into-u-s-1449526104

    And Trump’s misogynistic comments seem to be just fine with his women supporters. If Obama said ONE of those things he would be ridiculed and deemed unfit to lead. But since it’s a white republican white guy, it’s just Trump being Trump…. Amazing hypocrisy…..

  18. Doglover, that’s a very quaint view of US -Brit relations, especially 250 years after US independence. The “parent” tried to kill the “offspring” at the age of maturity. Regardless, I do also love dogs.

  19. So banning is not total and complete shutdown? Come on

    No. It isn’t because it would (in theory) be a temporary ban.

    If I temporarily take out your spark plugs and disable the fuel lines so you can’t drive your car until I replace them….I haven’t stolen your car or made it forever totally and completely shut down. Just shut down for a while😀

    Words have meaning and if you are going to quote someone you should quote exactly what they said, instead of what you think or wish that they have said. That is the honest thing to do.

  20. Lloyd -bankster ->
    It is MANDATED you take a firm and public stand proving you intend to protect the US Constitution and the American people, by removing Barack Hussein Obama and his criminal assistants from their ruling perches and STOP the assault on OUR Constitution, Country, Citizens, and “God Given Inalienable Civil Liberties”. The following are examples of issues named in criminal complaints filed:
    Specific instances of Treason include but are not limited to the following:

    1. U.S. Army troops were deployed in Samson, Alabama on March 10, 2009. In response to a Freedom of Information request by the Dothan Eagle (see Lance Griffin), the Department of Army Inspector General found that the armed troops deployed to Samson, Alabama violated the Posse Comitatus Act, which restrains the use of the military for civilian law enforcement purposes.

    2. BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA violated Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution by becoming the first United States President to chair the United Nations Security Council.

    To Wit:
    No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, or Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

    3. Mr. OBAMA declared War on the Republic of Libya on March 17, 2011 without the approval of the Congress, violating Article 1, Section 10, Clause 3 of our United States Constitution.

    4. Mr. OBAMA has also entered into an Agreement with the Muslim Brotherhood (Ikhwan), a foreign Power, and with the intent to sell 125 tanks to Egypt, home of the Muslim Brotherhood, violating Article 1, Section 10, Clause 3 of our United States Constitution.

    To Wit:
    No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay.

    5. BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA is under investigation by California Congressman Darrell Issa for Project Gunrunner, and justice is clearly obstructed in this case as well as the Black Panther voter intimidation case.

    Arizona and now Alabama are being sued over immigration laws designed Alias Barry Barrack Hussein Obama… He has Violated OUR Nations Constitution! He Has Never taken the Pledge of Allegiance Truthfully.!

    OUR God Given inalienable Rights were there, Before the Constitution THE SUPREME LAW was Written.. ! We were Born with those Rights from GOD..!! Some refer to them as the Bill of Rights!… THEY are OUR…. “BILL OF REMINDERS” ! Our Inalienable God Given Rights of Property, Liberty, and Life..These come from God…and Our Parents.!

    The Constitution Guarantees this.. and The Legislative, Judicial, and Executive Officers are bound By Oath of Affirmation to Protect and Defend, Uphold OUR Rights..Equally! Just as important all three!
    WE Live in a Republic not a Democracy! Our Pledge of Allegiance Reminds Us! Our song “The Battle Hymn of the Republic” inspires Us! OUR U.S. Constitution Guarantees It…. “A Republican Form of Government”! ………..Nowhere in the Magna Carta, The Declaration of Independence, or Our Supreme Law …does NOT State Democratic, or Democracy.. Nowhere….Read It…!

    Those who refuse to read …have no ability over those who cannot, Read! Learn, Revive, Preserve, and Protect OUR Constitution! And OUR Nation!! Our Holy Bible We Live By! God Bless America! The Star Spangle Banner! Our National Anthem! The Declaration of Independence or Our Supreme Law …does NOT State Democratic, or Democracy. Nowhere….Read It…!
    Those who refuse to read …have no ability over those who cannot Read”! Learn, Revive, Preserve, and Protect OUR Constitution! And OUR Nation!! Our Holy Bible We Live By! God Bless America! The Star Spangle Banner! Our National Anthem! Amen…Shalom! Responsibility, Accountability, to their Oath of Office…without Reservation!

    Supreme Court Justices should be Elected, not Appointed..! A Fact: All judges Justices should be Elected NOT Appointed, With Term Limits and Accountability!

    Clearly the Cannons of Judicial Ethics have been violated.. and Judicial Edict..have Expensively, Monetarily long abused.. With NO JUDICIAL IMMUNITY! NO ONE Is Above the Law.. but WE THE PEOPLE! As OUR Preamble is Law Also..The first Three Words..We are the Kings and Queens of this Nation…They work for US…! They are the Public Servants….”Under God Indivisible”…. and Our Sovereign Nation.

    We As Individuals ! Our Children’s Prosperity, and..Heritage..is of no moral concern to this congress or this president? Why did they Exempt them selves from Obama Care, after voting for it..! It is Bad for Families and Individuals..! with many Testimony of Individuals. HE IS ONE OF THEM……!! A Fraudulent Felon!

    Many numerations of OUR U.S.Constitution have been Violated..Title 18 U.S.C. § 2382 : & US Code Section 2381:
    Misprision of treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both.

    From the first moment of…publicly ‘Lying TO GOD’….He does not believe in! Deceiving the General Public, The OATH OF OFFICE…! News Media! Federal Statutes, Rules of Jurisprudence, Civil Honesty, Integrity, Non Military background! Blatant Violations of our U.S. Constitution the Supreme Law of the Land! Multiple Violations of Federal Laws, and State Statutes of Electoral Campaign!

    These all Unprosecuted up to today, Still ! With No Justice, Corrupted. Justice delayed, Justice denied! Worst Code of Silence. Ever gone unequivocal! Of the Corruption in this Administration!!

    With the Congressional Members who promote, enhance, turn a deaf ear and blind eye to their Monster Muslim in OUR White HOUSE! A Vandalizing Arsonist, to OUR Country’s National Security, Federal Laws, Heritage, Declaration of Independence, Our Military code of Honor, Our Service Veterans!

    Promoting provoking danger to Citizenry, Our selves, Families, and Allies! Much too much to more for transcription!! “The Birth-certificate is as Fraudulent as it is thin..and He !. Any legislation, he has proclaimed,
    TO WIT: pronounce law and or bogus executive order is “mute, nullified’! From the moment of its conception” ! ….. GOD JESUS CHRIST Our Lord King of Kings…BLESS AMERICA!! AMEN! SHALOM!
    Your consideration to immediately have Obama charged with High Crimes of Treason and removed from Our Office of our Presidency.. is important of the Best of Our Nation Children’s Prosperity and Our Own..

    I’ll take a misogynist all day long over this cretinous traitorous lying racist Muslim in the White House all freaking day long.

  21. The Parliament debate proposal strikes me as typical British tongue-in-cheek public debate which only the British can pull off. It lets the crazies come forward for public viewing and gives them a platform. Doesn’t worry me the slightest.

    There are some obsessive Obama commenters in this string. Let me add: Dogs don’t chase parked cars. Get out for some fresh air.

  22. Lloyd Blankfien says:

    “Trump: “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.” So banning is not total and complete shutdown? Come on”

    DBQ says:

    “No. It isn’t because it would (in theory) be a temporary ban.”

    DBQ, there is one major problem with your statement, namely, your implicit assumption that “our country’s representatives” collectively have the ability to figure out what is going on. There may be lots of disagreement on this blog, but I suspect that most of us would agree that, collectively, Congress can’t figure out much these days. They are too busy hanging out with lobbyists and raising $$ for re-election.

    FogdogSF

    You might call it a nightmarish hybrid of Monty Python and the Onion.As much as I dislike the thought of Trump being president of the US, however, the discussion of banning Trump does bother me. There are much better ways to tweak Trump while not setting a poor example for people who don’t appreciate the subtleties of Monty Python. For example, they could vote to make him an honorary Muslim.

  23. Alex: Your comment, several comment up there, was very good. Please chime in more often and give us cites to laws which are relevant. I did not know about that statute or about Jimmy Carter’s use of it. The dogs in the dogpac here read all of the comments on this topic and all agree that your comment was helpful and certainly not a swipe at someone else.

    Folks: lets not fight amongst ourselves. There are bad people out there to throw rocks at. Like the Brits who want to ban The Donald.

  24. This is the tragic, and entirely predictable, result of the erosion of Free Speech in Europe.

    Such tyranny over speech is one of the reasons why our own founders gave Free Speech constitutional protection. If you are not free to speak your mind, you are not free at all.

    Agreeing or disagreeing with Trump’s rhetoric is entirely irrelevant.

  25. They want to ban him….because what he says “doesn’t comport with their values”……? Their government is in on this? But it seems over half america agrees with what he said….are they going to ban all of us who also say “i too think we should ban all muslims until we figure out whats going on”…..and i’ll go one say notch higher….”we should ban them maybe permanently because their values don’t seem to comport with the values of born and raised Americans.”..
    If the brits want to be consistent they’d have to ban millions of Americans. Then that’s pretty much calling the kettle black.

  26. Dog re Alex’s comment

    The incident resulting from the Iranian taking of hostages in the 70’s was entirely different than what is going on today. Then a sovereign country attacked an American embassy and took American citizens hostage. This was tantamount to an act of war and violated international precedents in place for over a thousand years. The Iranians that were deported were found to be in violation of visa agreements and therefore would have been deported in any event. The same reviewing of visas of students and workers from countries such as Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia (especially), etc should be underway at this time.

    There is little if anything here to compare to Trump’s nonsense and stoking of the fires that burn in the bellies of some whose knee-jerk responses are, “Islam is incompatible with Western culture….” etc. The racists on this blog can be easily identified by their vitriol. Trump is preaching to these racists.

    It goes without saying that the vetting of immigrants should be done with more care and in greater depth due to the current insanity. However, classifying an entire religion due to the few festering sores to be found on any group is not much different than the tactics used by these extremists. An extremist is an extremist is an extremist.

  27. Olly

    The extremes practiced on humanity by ISIS and Saudi Arabia for example. These extremes are luckily absent in their ‘equal and opposite reactions’; thank goodness we exist around the center. For a preview of the opposite extreme, one can pay attention to guys like Trump and how well they are received by some. I put my faith in the sanity that does exist in Western culture, which is compatible with Islam, as long as Islam wishes to be compatible with the Western world and not attempt to override Western culture. How Western culture will change will be a result of democratic perusing of what Islam has to offer. Thus far there are many worthwhile reinforcing elements in Islam and many that simply have to be exorcised.

    In this Western world Islamic women must be supported if they wish to change those parts of Islam that subjugates them, if indeed they consider themselves subjugated. There are may other elements of Islam that will change but it will be through everything from social and family tug of wars to scenarios demanding the involvement of Western laws. When an Islamic fanatic slaughters his daughter or sister because of something they believe they are less religious fanatics and more correctly simply fu*^ing crazy. The West is the place to take the crazy and thuggery out of religion, all religions. Thus far it has largely succeeded with Christianity. The West has a proven track record with religion. The East does not. Perhaps the cleansing of Islam is next. As it stands Islam can be as vile as Christianity once was. Islam can also be as nurturing as Christianity can be.

    Or we can elect the Donald and takes our chances. C’mon we’re not that screwed up, are we?

  28. Bar Donald Trump you say? His popularity has undoubtedly shot up as a direct result of just the thought. Poor Globalist pawns; violence, suppression, blackmail, and fakery are their only tools and they just aren’t working like they used to. These people need treatment.

  29. If you Americans do not get some veteranarians to vet the muslims who come into your borders then you are dumb.

  30. Donald Trump’s viewpoint taken from a Facebook post. (Edited for brevity’s sake.) Go to the link for a more complete representation.) https://www.facebook.com/tom.novak.35/posts/1049490245062636

    
1.) Trump believes that America should not intervene militarily in other country’s problems without being compensated for doing so. If America is going to risk the lives of our soldiers and incur the expense of going to war, then the nations we help must be willing to pay for our help. Using the Iraq War as an example, he cites the huge monetary expense to American taxpayers (over $1.5 trillion, and possibly much more depending on what sources are used to determine the cost) in addition to the cost in human life.

    2.) Trump wants America to have a strong military again. He believes the single most important function of the federal government is national defense.

    
3.) Trump wants a strong foreign policy and believes that it must include 7 core principles (which seem to support my comment in the last point):
    American interests come first. Always. No apologies.
    Maximum firepower and military preparedness.
    Only go to war to win.
    Stay loyal to your friends and suspicious of your enemies.
    Keep the technological sword razor sharp.
    See the unseen. Prepare for threats before they materialize.
    Respect and support our present and past warriors.

    4.) Trump believes that terrorists who are captured should be treated as military combatants, not as criminals like the Obama administration treats them.

    5.) Trump makes the point that China’s manipulation of their currency has given them unfair advantage in our trade dealings with them. He says we must tax their imports to offset their currency manipulation, which will cause American companies to be competitive again and drive manufacturing back to America and create jobs here. Ford is building a plant in Mexico and Trump suggests that every part or vehicle Ford makes in Mexico be taxed 35% if they want to bring it into the U. S., which would cause companies like Ford to no longer be competitive using their Mexican operations and move manufacturing back to the U. S., once again creating jobs here.

    6.) Trump wants passage of NOPEC legislation (No Oil Producing and Exporting Cartels Act – NOPEC – S.394), which would allow the government to sue OPEC for violating antitrust laws. According to Trump, that would break up the cartel. He also wants to unleash our energy companies to drill domestically (sound like Sarah Palin’s drill baby, drill?) thereby increasing domestic production creating jobs and driving domestic costs of oil and gas down while reducing dependence on foreign oil.

    7.) Trump believes a secure border is critical for both security and prosperity in America. He wants to build a wall to stop illegals from entering put controls on immigration. He also wants to enforce our immigration laws and provide no path to citizenship for illegals.

    8.) Trump wants a radical change to the tax system to not only make it better for average Americans, but also to encourage businesses to stay here and foreign businesses to move here. The resulting influx of money to our nation would do wonders for our economy. He wants to make America the place to do business. He also wants to lower the death tax and the taxes on capital gains and dividends. This would put more than $1.6 trillion back into the economy and help rebuild the 1.5 million jobs we’ve lost to the current tax system. He also wants to charge companies who outsource jobs overseas a 20% tax, but for those willing to move jobs back to America they would not be taxed. He wants to change the personal income tax to:
    Up to $30,000 taxed at 1%
    From $30,000 to $100,000 taxed at 5%
    From $100,000 to $1,000,000 taxed at 10%
    $1,000,000 and above taxed at 15%

    9.) Trump wants Obamacare repealed. He says it’s a “job-killing, health care-destroying monstrosity” that “can’t be reformed, salvaged, or fixed.” He believes in allowing real competition in the health insurance marketplace to allow competition to drive prices down. He also believes in tort reform to get rid of defensive medicine and lower costs.

    10.) Trump wants spending reforms in Washington, acknowledging that America spends far more than it receives in revenue. He has said he believes that if we don’t stop increasing the national debt once it hits $24 trillion it will be impossible to save this country. Even though he says we need to cut spending, he does not want to harm those on Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security.

    11.) Even though he says we need to cut spending, he does not want to harm those on Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security. He believes that the citizens have faithfully paid in to the system to have these services available and that the American government has an obligation to fulfill its end of the bargain and provide those benefits. Therefore, he wants to build the economy up so that we have the revenue to pay those costs without cutting the benefits to the recipients. safety net, not a hammock.” He believes in a welfare to work program that would help reduce the welfare roles and encourage people to get back to work. And he wants a crackdown on entitlement fraud.

    13.) Trump believes climate change is a hoax.

    
14.) Trump opposes Common Core.

    
15.) Trump is pro-life, although he allows for an exception due to rape, incest, or the life of the mother.

    
16.) Trump is pro 2nd Amendment rights.

    
17.) Trump’s view on same-sex marriage is that marriage is between a man and a woman, but he also believes that this is a states’ rights issue, not a federal issue.

    
18.) Trump supports the death penalty.

  31. Isaac,
    I believe Muslims will need to find their own Martin Luther if they are to ever convince non-Muslim cultures they can be compatible. Currently the image of Islam is identified with the extreme ideology the western world wants no part of. This image is the responsibility of those within the faith. If they want to be included as an equal partner in the worldwide community then it will be up to them to eliminate the extreme ideology.

  32. In this interview, Martin explains how and why he staged this magnificent intervention…which got a shockingly positive response from Trump, who said Martin “has a lot of energy, he’s a Trump guy, he’s on our side.”
    “If pointing out that Zionists not Muslims did 9/11 makes you “a Trump guy” and puts you on Trump’s side…well, maybe I have misunderestimated Trump.”

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/12/29/911trumpguy/

  33. We wait for Europe to regain its senses.

    Europe has a “leader” vacuum.

    Nature abhors a vacuum.

    One thing is for sure.

    Europe and America are ripe and ready for a leader.

  34. Jimmy Carter banned Iranians from entry, deported 15,000. In one of the comments above is a quotation of US law giving the President this option. Anybody thinking we shouldn’t do a better job of background checks before allowing people in our country should look at the San Bernardino holocaust (I use that word because these people were killed for being White!). This is not hate, this is intelligence. Not often used by liberals, sadly.

  35. JimC -> My mother is in her late 70’s and has never ever voted Republican and voted for BO two terms. Last week she told she was voting for Trump.

    I’m almost fell over in shock. She’s the old guard and not progressive like BO. She says BO has gone too far. She doesn’t like the race division, debt, and letting all these refugees in here, which she thinks we as a country can’t afford.

    She said that’s why she’s voting for Donald Trump.

  36. Trump knows Israel did 9/11. If elected will Trump try the perpetrators?
    ‘William Kristol is terrified that Trump could try 9/11 perpetrators’
    “William Kristol, who is one of the 9/11 perpetrators who is going to be tried, convicted and hanged for mass murder and high treason when this comes out,
    is terrified that Trump might become president, because there is a chance that Trump might decide to clean house,” Dr. Kevin Barrett told Press TV on Sunday
    http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/12/27/443486/William-Kristol-Donald-Trump-911

  37. Olly

    Martin Luther, Martin Luther King, etc. Islam is so far in arrears it will take many such events to sort out the crazy. However, it seems that the majority of Muslims living in Western nations have tempered, just as Christians did. They keep their thoughts and beliefs to themselves and see them for what they are, lines that connect the dots. Talk to a Christian who believes that the bible is factual and you get the same experience. Secular does win out in secular nations. There will always be the ‘don’t tread on me’ types regardless of beliefs. Case in point, the Bundyists.

  38. The UK government is as pathetic as the German one. Why dont they try and keep out some crazy as molester refugees instead of Donald Trump? Almost all western governments are a total fraud.

  39. John Smith; ” Almost all western governments are a total fraud.” I don’t know where you’re from but Amen to that. People are waking up but what do we do about it….? The level of filth in our so called ‘leaders’ is reaching epic proportions. How much more can we take?

  40. Issac….do christian fundamentalists really give us the same result? Do they kill their own who dont comply? Strangers who dont convert? Thing is if you are right then there should never be another muslim attack on us soil. The muslims here should be narking on every extremist….because their neck will be next for becoming “secularized”…. But they seem content us spending our blood and treasure …. Seems to me they are sandbagging. And if they were all in on helping america the fbi would make some public heroes…to win over even more converts to “secularism”. But that rarely happens. The absence of which convinces me of two propisition choices….muslims arent really “with us” or there is little threat. We know there is grave threat….yet why no muslim super heros hailed for saving the day? Where is their see something say something?
    Btw taking pause and caution about muslums isnt “racism”….Brenannan us one. But he’s an american first and not raised in the lands of the swords.

  41. To me, Trumps popularity shows how ignorant Americans are. “If” the polls are true indications of the voting class of America, there is not much hope for humanity and the democratic process. The embracing of Trumps populous rhetoric showing how poorly educated people are in the area of “socio-economics”. I use this term because I want there to be a specific scientific study that specializes in how public policy affects the economics of a society. Jefferson called it political economy. Currently, this study falls under the very broad study of macro-economics and I think it is to important to not have it own course of study and curriculum.

    As an example, Jonathan is always in support of freedom of speech because he knows the inherent dangers or allowing those in government to prosecute speech crimes. The governments of the world appear to be getting worse on this long protected right and they’re using some very unsupportable rationale as the reasons.

    Quelling dissension is often the truth behind government actions and most of the governments around the world today are both massive and way to powerful. In an effort to maintain their power, governments have done many egregious acts against their own Citizens and others.

    I just got a parking ticket yesterday for being 25 minutes late to my car at the beach. The fine for their loss in revenue of about $0.90 was $30.00 and to pay it on line is another $3.50. But the Constitution says that the government cannot charge excessive fines. I guess 3,000% is not excessive to those creating and enforcing the law. Perhaps the prevalent mental illnesses within the laws schools is flowing over to the legal community because the majority of the legislators are attorneys and Judges are often the final arbiters in the enforcement of many of our laws.

    I don’t give much hope to Jonathan and his fight to uphold the Constitution and it’s intent to protect rights and restrain government. To many people are now either directly or indirectly participants/beneficiaries in the confiscatory actions of the ruling class and I fear they will become more and more oppressive as the economics continues to deteriorate. Oh that right, Obama’s massive spending stimulus has made things hunky dory again and all is well in paradise.

  42. H. Skip Robinson – Trump’s popularity seems to come from the mere fact that he is an outlier. Just the fact that he is not beholden to the movers and shakers of the GOP is enough to get people interested in him. Where it will get interesting is if Trump and Sanders win their nominations. They are both attractive to the same people. If Hillary wins, Trump will get Sanders people and if Trump loses Sanders will get his people.
    No party has more than 30% of the registered voters and the independent voterer will make the difference.

  43. Hey Paul, as I commented previously Trump is notorious for trying to beat his Constructors out of money in his business dealing. His MO is to complain about the quality of the product or service. Apparently nothing is good enough for Trump even though he hires the best craftsmen and buys the best products available. It would be different if it was a random occurrence, but it a standard operating procedure thus the contractors are put in the situation of either taking less or suing and he has a team of attorneys to fend everyone off. If you have not heard about his antics in the courtroom, he is one of those people who apparently litigate everything in an attempt to coerce people into paying him money. He has filed corporate bankruptcy at least 4 or 5 times and I suggest there will be more to come as economic conditions continue to deteriorate. At least he went from gambling casinos to golf courses. He is even suing Palm Beach Country because he thinks he should be compensated, because his home and golf course are on the flight paths of P.B. International airport. Do good Citizens sue their own government under frivolous rationale. Both of the major flight path cause flights to take off or land over his home or golf course and he is trying to say the country is intentionally routing planes to disrupt his business and personal affairs. Of course the airport has been there since prior to WWII, first a military base.

    He’s lying just like Obama, during his campaign, telling people he can accomplish various things when there is no way in hell he could get his policies through Congress. This is where the American people are ignorant. Often times Presidential Executive Orders don’t even apply to Citizens of the 50 States because they only has Federal Jurisdiction most of the time. Most of the people don’t even know we have two distinct types of Citizenship in this country. In my book I show some of the case law on the subject.

    For instance, If you live and work in the District of Columbia or are a Federal Government Official, you are considered a Federal Citizen, what is referred to a as U.S. Citizen. If you work and live in one of the 50 States and receive no Federal Taxable Income, you are the a Citizen of that State and of the Untied States of America. Here is some of the case law:

    1. “The government of the United States is a foreign corporation with respect to a state.” In re Merriam, 36 N. E. 505, 141 N. Y. 479, affirmed 16 S. Ct. 1073, 163 U. S. 625, 41 L.Ed. 287.
    2. “The privileges and immunities of citizens of the United States, which are protected by the 14th Amendment, against abridgment by the states, are those which arise out of the essential nature and characteristics of the national government, the federal Constitution, treaties, or acts of Congress, as distinguished from those belonging to the Citizens of a state; Gardner v. Ray, 157 S. W. 1147, 1150; Hammer v. State, 89 N. E. 850, 851, 173 Ind. 199, 24 L. R. A., N. S., 795, 140 Am. St. Rep. 248, 21 Ann. Cas. 1034.
    3.”On the other hand, there is a significant historical fact in all of this. Clearly, one of the purposes of the 13th and 14th Amendments and of the 1866 act and of section 1982 was to give the Negro citizenship. “ Jones v. Alfred H. Mayer Co. (1967), 379 F.2d 33, 43.
    4. “It is true that the chief interest of the people in giving permanence and security to citizenship in the 14th Amendment was the desire to protect the Negroes.” Afroyim v. Rusk (1967), 18 L.Ed. 2d 758, 764.
    5. “The object of the 14th Amendment, as is well known, was to confer upon the colored race the right of citizenship.” United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U. S. 649, 692.
    6. “It would be a remarkable anomaly if the national government, without the amendment, could confer citizenship on aliens of eve-ry race or color, and citizenship, with civil and political rights, on the “inhabitants” of Louisiana and Florida, without reference to race or color, and cannot, with the help of the amendment, confer on those of the African race, who have been born and always lived within the United States, all that this law seeks to give them.” United States v. Rhodes (1866), 27 Fed. Cas. 785, 794.
    7. “The amendment referred to slavery. Consequently, the only persons embraced by its provisions, and for which Congress was authorized to legislate in the manner were those then in slavery.” Bowlin v. Commonwealth (1867), 65 Kent. Rep. 5, 29.
    8. “After the adoption of the 13th Amendment, a bill which be-came the first Civil Rights Act was introduced in the 39th Con-gress, the major purpose of which was to secure to the recently freed Negroes all the civil rights secured to white men. . . .(N)one other than citizens of the United States were within the provi-sions of the Act.“ Hague v. C. I. O., 307 U. S. 496, 509.
    9. “No white person. . . owes the status of citizenship to the re-cent amendments to the Federal Constitution.” Van Valkenbrg v. Brown (1872), 43 Cal. Sup. Ct. 43, 47.
    10. “The rights of the state, as such, are not under consideration in the 14th Amendment, and are fully guaranteed by other provi-sions.” United States v. Anthony (1873), 24 Fed. Cas. 829 (No. 14,459), 830.
    I think these are an astonishing group of decisions, in that they show just how prejudiced both Judges and many politicians were during this period. I found reading them unconscionable and disgraceful but enlightening in so far as the truth behind some legislation and in this case the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Once a darker skinned person of African descent became free, having been here for generations, would they not just automatically become Citizens of their respective States?

  44. hskiprob – what do his business practices have to do with being kept out of the UK. God knows, they have enough sleazy businesspeople.

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