We previously discussed the crushing abuse and discrimination faced by Muslims in Myanmar. The Rohingya are denied basic rights and face continued violence in the country. While it was hard to imagine the abuse of these Muslims becoming any more extreme in the Buddhist nation, it just did. The government has allowed a new spasm of violence against this community which has been denied the most basic rights and the support. Rohingya children have been reportedly beheaded and civilians burned alive.
The violence is centered in the country’s western Rakhine state. Some 60,000 refugees have fled over the border into Bangladesh in one week.
As has long been the case, Nobel laureate Aung San Suu Kyi has been asked to act but she has shown a distinct lack of interest in the plight of this minority community.
The plight of this community of minority Muslims is a global disgrace. The government clearly wants to allow militants to kill and rape and abuse this community until they flee to Bangladesh or other countries. In the meantime, the horrific count continues to mount in Myanmar.
Setiap negara wajib melindungi rakyatnya, terlepas dari agama suku dan ras
The evidence is right in front of mankind and still most hold to their unbelief.
Mark 13:8( KJV)
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
Mathew 24:10
And then many shall be
Offended (triggered) and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Leftists, like Turley are such a joke. They have no problem when Muslims commit murder after murder after mass murder after mass murder. Why? Because they LOVE it when Muslims commit murders, especially in the name of the “sacred” religion, which not only condones such murders, but DEMANDS them. So, naturally, when some nation awakens to the dangers of Islam and their leaders decide that they’ve had enough of Islamicism, they simply give the Muslim barbarians a little taste of their own “religion.” And, of course, the Leftists totally ignore that in the case of Myanmar, the whole thing started when around 100 armed Muslim insurgents attacked and murdered security guards in the Bangladesh border region. In many a European nation and even in America, the response to such Muslim-murders would be to crack down on non-Muslim citizens and to IMPORT as many Muslim terrorists as they could into their nations. But, there are still some sane nations on this planet that recognize that when the barbarians are knocking at your gates, you must ELIMINATE the barbarians.
Religion is the opiate of the people. People get addicted to opiates and religions. It goes round and comes round. Two drug addicts don’t make a right. Or a left. Nothing worse than a drugged up pedophile Catholic priest at alterboy session.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/04/asia/rohingya-refugees-myanmar-military/index.html
Here you go..if they can’t stay in Burma, they will get in boats and go to Malaysia..which is also not their own country, and after they give birth a few times..Malaysia will be the “country of their birth”.
Isn’t the Burmese argument that these are illegal aliens? And that they are in fact Bengalis who have simply moved across the borders? I notice that when the new agencies talk about the Rakhine they say that they have lived there for “generations” and the fact that they are only 4% of the population seems to back the Burmese claim that these are new immigrants and perhaps illegal immigrants. I am in no way backing inhumane treatment of any people, but shouldn’t the facts of the Rakhine community in Burma be established before we are asked to take sides based on the fact that they are “Muslims” so that has to be the only fact looked at.
“We previously discussed the crushing abuse and discrimination faced by Muslims in Myanmar. The Rohingya are denied basic rights and face continued violence in the country.”
The comment makes it seem that only one party is to blame. The borders were not created by the indigenous people rather shaped by the British after WW2. Hostilities between the groups has existed for centuries with a concentration of the Muslim population right on the Bangladesh border ( formerly east Pakistan formerly greater India formerly controlled by the British and eventually broken up because of the same type of fighting but that time between Muslims and the dominant Hindus.)
There is a substantial history of discord. In the more recent time frame there were massacres by the Rohingya against the predominant Buddhist population and we can easily remember the ravage of Buddhist monuments by the Taliban. Maybe this is part of a bigger struggle and we are only seeing a tiny part of what is behind the violence. With this lack of perspective I object to the way Professor Turley expressed his discontent.
Shortly after posting the above I read this article. It demonstrates the hatred that exists on both sides of the border.
“A 17-year old Christian boy in Pakistan was beaten to death in Pakistan by his fellow Muslim students in their classroom, reported the British Pakistani Christian Association.
A gifted intellect and head of his class, Sharoon Masih was the only Christian student in his grade. He had faced isolation and bullying from the first day he entered the school in Verahi District in Punjab.
His mother said he was warned from the beginning not to mix with the Muslims at school, with one fellow classmate saying, “You’re a Christian. Don’t dare sit with us if you want to live.”
Repeated attempts were made to convert Sharoon, but he refused. His family reported that he used his isolation to concentrate on his studies and reached the top of his class – a position which infuriated his fellow students even more.”
I agree..it lacks the context to imagine that this brutality is happening in a vacuum.
You are right Christine. This type of animosity has a history.
On the one hand, Trump suggests military invasion of Venezuela for God knows what. OTOH, Muslim massacres across the globe: crickets.
Erdodog has no place in this conversation. Both government sanctioned slaughter or political oppression have the same effects, intimidate, coerce and solidify tribal power and cleanse the nation.
What he’s doing in Turkey is no less of a crime against humanity.
Do not blame a “dog” for Erdopig does.
As good people we find sympathy for the Muslim minority being burned alive, raped and beheadings but haven’t Muslims practiced these same atrocities all over the world.
Member of the Klan carry a cross and deam themselves protestant christians. But.
Same with these guys. Not true Bhuddists.
One of the Protestant Christians to whom you refer is the Democrat elected for a half C to “serve” as Senator, KKK Grand Wizard Robert Byrd, after whom are named dozens of government buildings and monuments. I presume our dear poster Isaacbasankovich has a shrine to Byrd in his home.
If there was a Republican equivalent to Byrd, progressives would have already burned his home town to the ground, cheered on by Peelozi and Shurmer.
Did you know there’s no such thing as a black or Democrat raysist?
When the rays persist then the eyes have it.
I once attempted to get a grasp on Burmese history, so I would have a valid opinion when the topic came up. I didn’t get very far. The gordian knot that is Burma can’t be understood. Too many races, tribes, religions, too much complex military-faction rule.
Because I know THAT much, I can say this: it is emphatically NOT “a global disgrace.” Rowanda was a global disgrace in that it was pretty easy to comprehend. Whatever is going on in Burma is always complex and unless I miss my guess, almost impossible for “the globe” to understand.
Some places in the world are just mysterious to those not from there. And pompous outsiders might find virtue signaling about it glib and very satisfying, but that’s no substitute for understanding what’s really going on.
One guess: some factions in Burma hate Moslems because of how they savagely conquered their way into the country, and they will be hated because of it forever. Kind of like some American Indians will never get over the White-eye slaughtering them and enslaving them and robbing them of their way of life. I think that’s a pretty good guess.
“Some places in the world are just mysterious to those not from there. And pompous outsiders might find virtue signaling about it glib and very satisfying, but that’s no substitute for understanding what’s really going on.”
Sorry, I don’t find your remarks compelling at all. However the hatred began, it is time for the violence and murder to stop.
What is pompous is to claim that we do not have standing to object to murder because we don’t understand the historical development of the hatred.
Perhaps you would like to give us a defense of murder as a problem solving technique. Come on. Tell use exactly how it is that these atrocities are leading to a solution? How is it that murder brings factions together? How is it, exactly, that rape leads on to greater understanding and peaceful coexistence?
Tell us exactly how crimes against humanity are leading to a better world therefore we have no standing to object.
I don’t know what a “crime against humanity” is, so I can’t help you with your last request, Mike. Certainly, rape and murder are crimes against people, and when collectives are involved, groups. But I’ll venture this: perhaps many factions of the Burmese will consider it a “better world” once all the Moslems leave the country. That’s certainly how the Spaniards felt in 1492.
But what I CAN help you with is your misunderstanding of my point, which is that glib virtue signaling is the new armchair quarterbacking, as cushy, pansified, Westerners hold opinions about things they know nothing about–just because it makes them feel better.
Here’s a good example: Hamas, a monstrous terrorist gang, controls the Gaza Strip, and for years rained makeshift missiles on innocent Israelis in nearby communities, producing in their children clinical PTSD, making life a living hell. These people could also hear the tunes being constructed deep under their houses. These innocent suburbanites knew what those tunnels were being built for: to burst up into their homes and murder them.
Meanwhile, lefty dilettantes in Europe and America were praising the monsters, and portraying Israel, when that country could take it no more and fought back, as the aggressor. Virtue signaling all along the way.
Hope that helps.
“I didn’t get very far. The gordian knot that is Burma can’t be understood.”
I was going to travel in myanmar and started to look at its history. This requires a lot more study than one can imagine and I could never get the time to do so. However, something other than history prevented such an adventure.
In reading your follow-up posting, truism comes to mind.
“Westerners hold opinions about things they know nothing about–just because it makes them feel better.”
…And then you point to other areas of the world where the Muslim religion has come in contact with other religions in the modern world where supposedly we have a better understanding of individual freedom and self determination. Apparently the dilettantes you refer to have little useful knowledge of history.
Right. First, because they’re not taught it, and more importantly, because the school system Bismarck bequeathed us does not inculcate in children curiosity about such things. The Prussian model we groan under/within had as its goal the creation of worker bees for the New World Order that even in the 19th century was already being crafted.
That’s tunnels, not “tunes.” They weren’t whistling while they worked. As Mark Steyn has repeatedly reminded us, quoting an expert:
“Allah did not create man so that he could have fun. The aim of creation was for mankind to be put to the test through hardship and prayer. An Islamic regime must be serious in every field. There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious.” — Ayatollah Khomeini
Ayatollah Khomeini was a thug and a killer and a despot. Recommend you read up the letter to Al Baghdadi.
He was indeed all those things, but he was also a much esteemed expert Moslem theologian, so his word is, for Moslems, final.
As for the letter you refer to, I have no idea what you are talking about.
Good observations..it may very well be the purpose of these people to want the Muslims to leave now, while they are still a minority. And yes, this hatred did not happen in a vacuum.
Former State Dept Diplomat on Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar: ‘I Don’t Accept the Narrative’
https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2017/09/08/former-state-dept-diplomat-rohingya-muslims-myanmar-dont-accept-narrative/
I can hardly believe that the perpetrators of this violence are Buddhists! What kind of Buddhists commit such atrocities? I wish I knew the answer to this horror. Other countries and social agencies can only try to save the victims and provide them safe passage to another country. All other countries being led by sane governments (too few, I know) should agree to stop all trade with Myanmar until they stop the atrocities. Easier said than done, I know, but the only thing sane people can do is hit Myanmar’s economy in a big way. Cut them off completely. Maybe they’ll appeal to North Korea to feed them.
The persecutors are Buddhist in name only. Failing to follow the teachings of the Buddha.
Goodness, just when I thought the UN was designed to stop this sort of thing from happening.
I agree, there should be a finding of fact that resolves whether or not the Burmese claim that the Rakine community is actually a community of illegal aliens that are in fact Begalis that have simply moved into Burma. If that is the case, and the Burmese have a legal right to deny them benefits of Burmese citizenship, then it’s a horse of a different color, isn’t it? But without a finding of fact, the rest of us are asked to assume that there is no reason besides hatred that the Burmese military are deliberately moving the Rakine across the border in to Bangladesh.
I am in no way supporting inhumane treatment of anyone, but in the absence of the rule of law, that is what happens, isn’t it?
Aung San Suu Kyi is not likely to offer much in terms of supporting these people. It will be tepid at best. She hasn’t shown much interest toward them and in fact at times in the past showed open prejudice against them.
It seems that any belief that sets one group apart from the rest, that claims some greater essence of humanity, that links itself before the rest to the great answer(s) to the great question(s), can be perverted to allow atrocities in the name of that group. Buddhism, who would have thought? Where’s the Dali Lama when you need him?
Issac, don’t be such a lazy lima bean.
try google. That stuff works man.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/28/dalai-lama-urges-suu-kyi-to-speak-out-on-burmas-persecuted-rohingya-people
“The Dalai Lama said it was not enough to ask how to help the Rohingya.
“This is not sufficient,” he said. “There’s something wrong with humanity’s way of thinking. Ultimately we are lacking concern for others’ lives, others’ wellbeing.””
MAY 2015!
Roscoe
Lazy Lima Bean, I am. It was early. The Dali Lama is a pretty square guy. However, my point remains; religion, regardless of the seeming perfection of the words, is oft used as here to separate, not unite. It is an oxymoron to believe on the one hand in something in one way and at the same time consider other things and ways equal. Religion consists of stepping stones to universal spirituality. It is not the end all. No Christian actually believes that Islam’s pedophile general rode to heaven on an horse and that Muslims will get all that stuff if and when they make it to heaven. No Muslim actually believes that a Christian will make it anywhere near a heaven. Some Muslims do believe that Christ tripped the light fantastic on water. Does that make them more enlightened than Christians.
Got ya dude.
I don’t think that anyone can really say what Muslims believe though.
Enlightenment can’t exist in the same room as religion.
You should go beyond what Infowars & Fox teach you…you might be surprised….
Cheers
What are you talking about?
Sorry I even asked.
In the 17th century, Indian Muslims residing in Arakan were massacred, providing harmful and actual persecution.