Alberta Conservative MLA Ron Orr appears to be planning the remake of Reefer Madness. In the case of Orr, the use of marijuana however does not yield to jazz-fused madness but lock-step communism. Orr is warning that legalizing marijuana could send Canada into the arms of the red army and fellow travelers.
Orr made the surprising statement in the Alberta legislature Wednesday as an argument against legalization of cannabis. Orr added that the “human, social cost of this is going to be astronomical,” but “nobody’s taken a moment to think about it.”
So he showed everyone how to think about it. First, Orr noted that the “direct historical connection” with the use of opium in “seventeenth century China,.” Opium, he noted, “was just a flower, and it was smoked, just like marijuana was smoked.”
Ok, here comes the import of Orr’s “historical parallels.” Opium use triggered wars and then led to “the Chinese Cultural Revolution under the communists.” That, he insists, is not a road he’s “really willing to go down”:
“Their whole society was so broken down and debilitated by it that it contributed to the Chinese Cultural Revolution under the communists, the execution of thousands of people, dealers were executed, fields were plowed under and planted with real food and I, for one, am not really willing to go down this road. The human tragedy of what’s going to happen with this has yet to be revealed. Yes, opium smoking like marijuana was a fashionable refined pastime especially among the young – but I’ll tell you something, it doesn’t lead to the good life. It’s an escape.”
When I was much younger and in college, I knew quite a few pot smokers. But later in life, some even became right-wingers, not communists. Most just grew up and became ordinary tax-paying citizens with jobs and families.
On mainland China, what would they tell their young people who smoke pot?
Ron Orr is merely stupid, running on inherited low brain power. No fault.
(music–)
On the Road Again!
Oh, I can say I’m on the road again.
I’m on the road again!
talk to Chairman Mao.
Talk to his uncle cow.
smoke you pot doday….
You’re on the road again.
Panchakarma.
“Will lead” not “led”. Jeso.
I knew it was coming down to this, these damn kids and their GO-GO boots and rock an roll. If they just would have listened to General Ripper and of the dangers of drinking fluoridated waters we could have had crew cuts and bobbie socks forever.
The dangers of the hippie generation were particularly dreaded by the makers of Butch Wax.
Is it because people who smoke way too much pot all day are unmotivated, sitting around with the munchies, and therefor would favor socialism so they wouldn’t have to get a job?
Well, either that or Orr smoked too much himself and is totally paranoid.
Those who do too much pot have no idea what socialism is.
Nor any other thoughts…
Our country continues to mishandle recreational drug use nearly 100 years after the prohibition misfire. The missing policy breakthrough, probably ignored because it represents a middle-ground synthesis of the two extremes, is to establish dosage recommendations for getting high on alcohol and marijuana. Ask yourself this: what pharmaceutical drug comes without dosage levels? None. So, why should drugs used for enjoyment and recreation omit this essential feature? The goal is enjoyment without incapacitation, right?
There will be a multitude of more recreational drugs that come along….if we can accept dosage limits as part of the enjoyment factor, then the negatives impact of rec-drug usage can be minimized at the outset. Without any dosage understanding on the part of users, “the more the better” will go unchallenged favoring the economic interest of the drug vendor over the wider interest of society. Prohibition of cannibis hasn’t worked, and neither will dosage-undefined legality…both encourage overconsumption. Haven’t we learned our lesson with alcohol overconsumption? Dosage is the key to taming rec-drug use.
I don’t give a hoot about Canada….or how much Pot they do, or don’t consume….BUT …..I was looking forward to hearing JT’s take on Flynn, this morning..?????
Politics, is taking a back seat to every other subject, for a while, now.
Read his article on The Hill website to get JT’s take on Flynn.
If it’s revisionist history that the Canucks’ want instead of marijuana, then we’ve got that, too. Check this out from an NYT article on the letters of William O. Douglas:
“In a 1970 letter to two of his neighbors in the Cascade Mountains, Douglas wrote that he suspected that Federal agents he had seen on his land were ”planting marijuana with the prospect of a nice big TV-covered raid.”
”I forgot to tell you,” the letter goes on, ”that this gang in power is not just in search of the truth. They are ‘search and destroy’ people.” He was referring to President Nixon and his Administration. ‘See if You Can Spot Any’
Douglas wrote that he was not sure what marijuana looked like or if it would grow in the harsh climate of the Cascades in central Washington State. ”Mint, white clover, and rhubarb do well there, as you know,” he wrote. ”But now that the snow is gone and summer is near, you might look to see if you can spot any marijuana.”
And so you see that marijuana does, in fact, lead to wars; namely, Nixon’s war on drugs. Now who was it who started that whole opening-to-China-normalization-of-relations-détente thing with Mao Tse Tung [as they spelled his name back then]? Nixon; that’s who. Coincidence??? Well, I suppose it’s just another coincidence, then, that Washington State is right next door to Canada???
Everybody knows that it wouldn’t take that long for the cannabis marijuana that Nixon’s dirty-tricksters planted at Mr. Justice Douglas’s ranch in 1970 to get to Alberta, Canada. Would it??? Chances are that Nixon’s marijuana has been growing in Canada ever since Nixon reopened the American embassy in Peking [as they spelled it back then] just a few years later.
Alberta Conservative MLA Ron Orr may well be just as wrong about legalizing marijuana as he is about his own version of revisionist history; but that doesn’t mean that Nixon and Mao had nothing whatsoever to do with Washington marijuana invading Canada. After all, facts matter. Don’t they?
Freedom of Ingestion is a natural and God-given right which existed before government was established.
9th Amendment
“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”
The corruption of American freedom began with influence of Karl Marx on the King and Chief Despot, “Crazy Abe” Lincoln, beginning in 1848. Where will it end?
Document any influence whatsoever of Karl Marx upon the lawyer Abe Lincoln. Never heard of such a thing.
David Benson – Lincoln refused to follow the Constitutional orders of the SC and suspended Habeas Corpus and jailed several legislators. For a lawyer, he wasn’t exactly Mr. Nice Guy. He continued through the war to rip up the Constitution and rule as a dictator.
Says nothing about any influence from Karl Marx.
And as I studied at least a semester of American history in high school and then a year in college you are not stating anything I did not already know.
David Benson – was Marx even living during the time of Lincoln? Not sure he would have had an influence although the anarchists did, as did the communists, socialists, etc.
Marx was born in 1818 and died in 1883.
Whence the retirement age of 65 for Social Security benefits.
PCS, “…rule as a dictator.” The immutable truth. Thank you. Even the genii among us can discern the simultaneous effect, if not direct relationship, of Marx on the policy of the dictator, Lincoln, as Lincoln’s first act of totalitarian “social engineering” was to eliminate “classes” from society, beginning with the no-wage labor class or slave class.
Far later than the first act. Learn the history.
George, according to Karl Marx, himself, it already has ended. Check this out from The International Socialist Today:
“As today, apologists for the secession of the Southern states argued that other issues, such as state’s rights or tariffs, rather than slavery, explained the insurrection. Marx shattered these arguments in his October 20, 1861, Die Presse article, “The North American Civil War.” He took Alexander Stephens, the vice president of the Confederacy, at his word when Stephens proclaimed what Southern secession was really all about. Wrote Marx:
The question of the principle of the American Civil War is answered by the battle slogan with which the South broke the peace. Stephens…declared in the secession Congress, that what essentially distinguished the Constitution hatched at Montgomery from the Constitution of the Washingtons and Jeffersons was that for now for the first time slavery was recognized as institution for good in itself, and as the foundation of the whole state edifice, whereas the revolutionary fathers, men steeped in the prejudices of the eighteenth century, had treated slavery as an evil imported from England and to be eliminated in the course of time.
Marx continued:
The cultivation of the Southern export articles, cotton, tobacco, sugar, etc., carried on by slaves, is only renumerative as long as it is conducted with large gangs of slaves, on a mass scale and on wide expanses of a naturally fertile soil, which requires only simple labor. Intensive cultivation, which depends less on fertility of the soil than on investment of capital, intelligence and energy of labor, is contrary to the nature of slavery.
And there you have it, George. The corruption of American freedom ended with the abolition of slavery. And Karl Marx merely observed and commented upon it. He did not influence Lincoln at all.
Correction: The International Socialist Review
I am not for legalizing recreational usage, but I am for the medicinal use of marijuana.
Legal recreational use seems to be working fine here in Washington state.
Furthermore, under the 9th and 10th amendments this is entirely up to each of the several states. Congress can only legislate interstate commerce. In other words, the current federal law is unconstitutional.
Marijuana is no big deal here now. And I don’t mean that in a dismissive way. The fact that it is not a big deal is noteworthy considering all the rancor slung about elsewhere.
Billboards having marijuana shop advertisements are like other products equally ignored. You can also see Adopt a Highway litter signs having marijuana businesses just as like those sponsored by the local Eagle’s Lodge. Nobody really talks about it in their daily lives because they have more important or interesting matters to discuss.
Mr. Smith
you said: “Nobody really talks about it in their daily lives because they have more important or interesting matters to discuss.”
I imagine that the millions of people nationwide whose lives have been adversely affected as the result of Marijuana laws enforcement consider it very important and wonder if and when their criminal records will be wiped clean of the stain caused by the consequences of marijuana laws.
He is writing about Washington state.
David Benson – this explains a lot about some of your comments. 😉
I just do alcohol and cigarettes.
Shows how confused you are.
David Benson – it was a winky, a gentle needle. BTW, I do neither cigarettes or alcohol. If I was serious there wouldn’t have been a winky or a smiley. I know its the Left Coast for you, however, you need to lighten up.
No, I light up.
🙂
David Benson – people have been known to spontaneously combust. I would be careful where you light up. 😉
PCS,
Listen to the Genius!
He knows whereof he speaks.
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