New York lawyer (and GW Law graduate) Aaron Schlossberg who went on a bizarre tirade against Spanish-speaking restaurant workers has quickly become the most hated man of the week in New York. The New York Post reports that he has now been kicked out of his office by Corporate Suites, the company that held his lease. There is also an effort to disbar him and even a petition to hire a mariachiband to follow him around New York. That could lead to an interesting legal fight if he alleges harassment or stalking. The moves against Schlossberg raises our long-standing debate over actions taken against people for obnoxious or unpopular speech in their private lives or on social media.
In the video, Schlossberg seems triggered by people speaking Spanish and suggests that the employees are likely undocumented immigrants, and threatens to call Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to report them: “My guess is they’re not documented. So my next call is to ICE to have each one of them kicked out of my country.”
A petition has gathered more than 10,000 signatures, to get him disbarred.
The New York bar follows the standard professional conduct rules with general language on misconduct raising questions of fitness but focus on actions taken in the practice of law:
A lawyer or law firm shall not:
1. Violate a Disciplinary Rule.
2. Circumvent a Disciplinary Rule through actions of another.
3. Engage in illegal conduct that adversely reflects on the lawyer’s honesty, trustworthiness or fitness as a lawyer.
4. Engage in conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit, or misrepresentation.
5. Engage in conduct that is prejudicial to the administration of justice.
6. Unlawfully discriminate in the practice of law, including in hiring, promoting or otherwise determining conditions of employment, on the basis of age, race, creed, color, national origin, sex, disability, marital status, or sexual orientation. Where there is a tribunal with jurisdiction to hear a complaint, if timely brought, other than a Departmental Disciplinary Committee, a complaint based on unlawful discrimination shall be brought before such tribunal in the first instance. A certified copy of a determination by such a tribunal, which has become final and enforceable, and as to which the right to judicial or appellate review has been exhausted, finding that the lawyer has engaged in an unlawful discriminatory practice shall constitute prima facie evidence of professional misconduct in a disciplinary proceeding.
7. Engage in any other conduct that adversely reflects on the lawyer’s fitness as a lawyer.
We have seen bars block admission for people with racist views in the past, as with the Nathan Hale case. The question is where to draw such a line on racist or offensive or intolerant views.
The basis for terminating the lease is equally problematic if based on the political views of a tenant, though a commercial space there is likely fewer regulatory protections. I am assuming that Schlossberg is an at-will or monthly tenant but it is still uncommon to see a termination for the exercise of free speech, even offensive speech. The landlord could view Schlossberg as so controversial that his presence could threaten the operation or access at the building.
Scholossberg appears to have a history of intolerance but no known convictions for criminal acts.
Videos show Schlossberg at various protests.
His website says that he handles business and commercial law in New York. He has an impressive resume. He earned his Bachelor of Arts Degree in English from The Johns Hopkins University and his Juris Doctorate Degree from the George Washington University Law School. Notably, he studied in Spain and knows Spanish.
Like most people, I find Schlossberg’s statements to be deeply troubling and offensive. Of course, nothing protects Schlossberg from public criticism for his offensive speech, including those who want nothing to do with him as a lawyer. However, as a free speech advocate, I am concerned about lease terminations and disbarment proceedings based entirely on the unpopularity of speech. The First Amendment protects us against government speech regulation. Yet, the termination of a lease or a disbarment proceeding raise contractual and policy concerns over when people can be evicted or denied a livelihood over the use of free speech.
Where should the line be drawn in such cases?
@Allan May 21, 2018 at 7:37 PM
“See NII’s discussion and start understanding what your disconnect actually means.”
What “discussion” is that, Allan? This one? “Ken, you’re completely devoid of self-awareness.”
You two remind me of The World’s Foremost Authority, Professor Irwin Corey, Insufferable for his habitual evidence-bereft pontificating, and you for your incoherent rambling. 🙂
I give you both credit, however, for broaching important topics on which you’re both usually more ill-informed than not, but which nonetheless provide opportunities for more rational and informed comment by others.
Ergo, thanks for commenting here.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=professor+irwin+corey+videos&view=detail&mid=3B3C574658E0212448F63B3C574658E0212448F6&FORM=VIRE&cc=US&setlang=en-US&cvid=fd4e6d2df9924024a2f8dd501fdb6ed8&qs=AS&nclid=99149D35BC0E2A635BE9F50D36DA7E8A&ts=1526967247797
Yes, Ken, “you’re completely devoid of self-awareness.”. That is the quote I referred you to. Your inability to recognize the validity of Nii’s conclusion proves he is right.
@Allan May 22, 2018 at 8:39 AM
“Yes, Ken, “you’re completely devoid of self-awareness.”. That is the quote I referred you to. Your inability to recognize the validity of Nii’s conclusion proves he is right.”
So, Insufferable (Professor Irwin Corey) pontificates absurdly and without providing any evidence whatsoever, (based on his being The World’s Foremost Authority?) that I am “completely devoid of self-awareness,” you call that a “discussion,” and assert that my “inability to recognize the validity of Nii’s conclusion proves he is right.”
In other words, if he were to assert, without offering any evidence, “Allan is completely devoid of intelligence,” your inability to recognize the validity of his “conclusion” would “prove that he is right.”
Is that your “logic”?
“In other words, if he were to assert, without offering any evidence…”
No. In your case, the evidence exists in black and white throughout the pages of this blog. The only one to miss it is yourself which by itself adds additional proof to NII’s hypothesis.
Is something wrong with wordpress?
“”With regard to my being anti-Semitic, I refer you to one of your own comments, apparently composed in a moment of sentient clarity: “Peter, it’s stupid to try to read things into a mind that you don’t know.” (Alan, May 19, 2018 at 8:12 AM).”
Ken, That is an excellent statement that I made. I don’t think I have yet concluded you to be an anti-semite, rather telling you that one might interpret your words in that fashion. Your words certainly contain many of the elements an anti-semite would use, but no I don’t know what is in your mind. I can only know you based on what you have said and that is pretty bad.
“With regard to the “besieged Palestinians” (plural), here’s a video showing several of them, protesting their long-term, criminally abominable condition, being gunned down from over 100 yards away by brave Israeli snipers:”
Take note there are loads of videos taken that have been demonstrated false, like the man on crutches seen running that I think I recently posted. I also posted a Hamas operative who in his own words states that hidden behind the children, women, and burning tires was Hamas terrorists. He admits to 50 of them being killed on that day in question. What do you suppose they were going to do? I’ll tell you. They were going to kill and main Israelis who did nothing more than protect their families. It was the unfortunate Palestinian led by bloodthirsty leaders that decided to cross the border with the intent to kill and murder.
@Al lan May 20, 2018 at 6:32 PM
“He [a Hamas operative] admits to 50 of them being killed on that day in question. What do you suppose they were going to do? I’ll tell you. They were going to kill and main [sic] Israelis who did nothing more than protect their families. It was the unfortunate Palestinian led by bloodthirsty leaders that decided to cross the border with the intent to kill and murder.”
What about the man who was shot in the back while running away from the border, or the one kneeling in prayer? What about the children who were shot and killed by the snipers? Were they all heading for the border with “the intent to kill and murder”?
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=children+shot+in+Gaza&view=detail&mid=AF2832D57F3B8C0623D7AF2832D57F3B8C0623D7&FORM=VIRE
You give every indication of being stupefied and more than a little unhinged about the Palestinians, people who have endured over a half-century of brutal occupation, but just in case you retain a glimmer of objectivity, listen to the testimony of former IDF soldiers who have formed the NGO “Breaking the Silence,” as they describe the daily brutality and humiliation they inflicted on the Palestinians they were tasked with controlling:
http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/videos/16012
“What about the man who was shot in the back while running away from the border, or the one kneeling in prayer? What about the children who were shot and killed by the snipers? Were they all heading for the border with “the intent to kill and murder”?
What a bunch of hogwash and foolishness from Ken. Palestinian terrorists attacked Israel with the intent to kill as many Israeli’s as possible along with doing as much physical damage as possible. 50 of those terrorists were killed. Some others were killed as well because they were used by the bloodthirsty Palestinian leadership as cannon fodder. They were forced to the front lines. Self-defense is a recognized right of all people. If you want to blame the primary cause of civilian deaths blame the Palestinian leadership for they are responsible for hiding terrorists behind women and children.
Tens of thousands of people rioted creating havoc on the border where 50 terrorists were killed. A few killed may have been civilians if we can trust those videos. One reported to have died was a child who had severe respiratory problems yet wasn’t kept away from the burning tires and all the other problems that come when terrorists try to cross a border and inflict damage. Considering the number of people rioting and that 50 terrorists were killed without many more civilians being killed tells us how hard the Israeli army tried not to inflict casualties on the civilians.
Your videos are cr-p. Your historical knowledge is near non-existent and your conclusions are based on your biases that are awfully close to the rants of the anti-semites. The Palestinian leaders make sure the schools teach their children to hate Israeli’s, Jews, and perhaps Americans. They train youngsters to kill. They pay families whose children blow themselves up killing others.
The Israeli’s moved out of Gaza in a unilateral fashion without any concessions from the Palestinians. They left all the infrastructure intact and continued to pay for the electricity sent into Gaza. What did they get in return? Missiles being sent from Gaza to Israeli cities to kill civilians. That is what you support and all of this has been proven, unlike the videos you prefer to listen to which are mostly propaganda from those who aid the terrorists.
I predict he will be left to sell Kosher meals and tacos for his new career
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtC4v1fbTG4
Paul Cl Schulte will obviously communicates in piglatin since he believes speakers of two flient languages combine them into one
Paul is a true cochino 🐷
cochinoay?
Fran – Paul has taught students who were illiterate in two languages and who spoke Spanglish. I would explain how it works, but I think your mind is too closed to understand. 😉
it is rare you see a jew go against white genocide. it is plain to see that these invaders will take over the country cause there aint enough guys like the lawyer andturley is another idiot who says he find the guys statements offensive. WTF? turley is usually levelheaded but he don’t wanna get thrown out in the street. it is ironic that a jew lawyer will be taken down due to PC DIE-versity etc which was put on society by the jews
@JT
“Yet, the termination of a lease or a disbarment proceeding raise contractual and policy concerns over when people can be evicted or denied a livelihood over the use of free speech.
Where should the line be drawn in such cases?”
Well, if making an a-double-s of oneself in public now justifies disbarment, everyone ever charged with anything will now have to go the pro seroute. 🙂
I haven’t seen that many lease agreements, but it’s hard to believe that his outing himself as an ethnic bigot would be a violation of any provision of his, but its terms will no doubt soon come out.
Whatever you may think of him, the man is obviously a credit to Zionism, as you can see in the video below:
“To recap: he is (allegedly) a Jew who hates other Jews for being pro-Palestine and a fluent Spanish speaking lawyer in NYC who thinks Hispanic people shouldn’t be able to speak Spanish in his presence.”
https://heavy.com/news/2018/05/aaron-schlossberg/
…the pro se route.
“Whatever you may think of him, the man is obviously a credit to Zionism, as you can see in the video below:”
Ken, what did the video have to do with Zionism? Is it because likely Schlossberg is Jewish? It is comments like this that make one think about anti-Semitism behind the person making such remarks.
@Allan May 19, 2018 at 10:59 PM
“Whatever you may think of him, the man is obviously a credit to Zionism, as you can see in the video below:’
“Ken, what did the video have to do with Zionism? Is it because likely Schlossberg is Jewish? It is comments like this that make one think about anti-Semitism behind the person making such remarks.”
Well, the video I was referring to, which, if you try, you can find at the link I provided, shows Schlossberg yelling at and calling a Rabbi who supports the besieged Palestinians “a fake Jew,” giving him and others with the Rabbi the finger, and waving his butt at them like a 13-year old. You might say that Schlossberg is selectively and puerilely anti-Semitic, i.e., doesn’t like anti-Zionist Jews, or perhaps doesn’t like even Zionist Jews who have some sympathy for Palestinians.
“the video I was referring to, which, if you try, you can find at the link I provided, shows Schlossberg yelling at and calling a Rabbi who supports the besieged Palestinians “a fake Jew,”
The video you provided with your link didn’t show anything of the kind. It is all in your head. Maybe another video did but not that link.. You have too many hallucinations to deal with rationally. As far as the besieged Palestinian, I don’t know where you get that idea.
That Palestinian you talk about lives in Gaza, an entity with borders. It is true that the Egyptians don’t let them cross their borders into Egypt but many of them cross the Israeli border for jobs, hospitals, etc. The problem is that mommy and daddy Palestinian don’t seem to mind when their children blow themselves up in an attempt to kill Israelis. They like the monthly payments they get from their martyred child and those monthly payments make them relatively rich.
More recently the leaders of the Palestinian people forced their women to the front lines while trained Hamas terrorists prepared to kill Israeli women and children. Lovely people or should I say lovely leadership since the leadership is forcing or otherwise incentivizing the people to do these things. As a result, about 50 of these terrorists were killed.
I’m not a fan of Schlossberg and know little about him, but it seems his Jewishness is what is at issue for you. That could lead one to develop a strong inclination that you are an anti-semite.
@Allan May 20, 2018 at 8:26 AM
Here’s another link to the video I referred to of Schlossberg at a protest, yelling “fake Jew” at a Haredi Rabbi. I’m sure you would eventually have found it on your own, but I’m here to help:
https://coed.com/2018/05/16/aaron-schlossberg-photos-lawyer-viral-video-manhattan-nyc-restaurant-spanish-employees-fresh-kitchen/
How many videos do you expect someone to view? If you can’t get it right due to some type of mental deficit try and uncomplicate your life. Start by eliminating any racist views you might have. That would help a lot. Schlossberg is not someone most of us would like and that has little to do with him being Jewish. It has more to do with what he is and how he acts. Race-baiters like to take one person who is not likeable and then associate the whole group with that person. Is that what you are trying to do?
@Allan May 20, 2018 at 6:18 PM
“How many videos do you expect someone to view? If you can’t right due to some type of mental deficit try and uncomplicate your life.”
I got it right the first time, but for some reason you couldn’t see the link, so I made the same video available to you two more times to help you out. Have you watched it yet, or do you prefer to maintain that I was hallucinating when I described it, so you don’t have to see Schlossberg calling a Jewish Rabbi a “false Jew” because the Rabbi sympathizes with the Palestinians?
“Schlossberg is not someone most of us would like and that has little to do with him being Jewish. It has more to do with what he is and how he acts. Race-baiters like to take one person who is not likeable and then associate the whole group with that person. Is that what you are trying to do?”
My comment below, from two days ago, should answer your question. Does it, or would thinking it does require too much logical effort on your part?
Ken Rogers May 18, 2018 at 10:28 PM
@Andrea May 18, 2018 at 6:48 PM
Andrea: “He [Schlossberg] doesn’t deserve disciplinary action, but potential clients should look elsewhere.”
KR: “I concur on both counts. I certainly wouldn’t want someone representing me who’s that ignorantly prejudiced and lacking in self-control.”
Andrea: “And what a shanda fur die goyem! He makes me cringe.”
KR:”🙂 I wasn’t familiar with that Yiddish expression, but appreciate your bringing it up. I wasn’t aware that he’s Jewish, but now I’d like to ask, are you more embarrassed for him as a fellow Jew, or rather more sorry for him as a fellow human being whose virulent ethnocentrism is obviously making him miserable?”
“I got it right the first time, but for some reason you couldn’t see the link”
No, you didn’t, Ken. You provided a video of a guy yelling at Schlossberg and baiting him. Later I noted several more videos down below, but you are a time waster. Your videos and articles add very little except your selection of them tells us who you are.
@Al lan May 21, 2018 at 8:59 AM
“ ‘I got it right the first time, but for some reason you couldn’t see the link.’
“No, you didn’t, Ken. You provided a video of a guy yelling at Schlossberg and baiting him. Later I noted several more videos down below, but you are a time waster. Your videos and articles add very little except your selection of them tells us who you are.”
Allan, social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger should be paying you royalties for your repeatedly and publicly confirming so strikingly the Dunning-Kruger Effect:
“In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people of low ability have illusory superiority and mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority comes from the metacognitive inability of low-ability people to recognize their lack of ability; without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence.”
Think more, emote less.
“In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people of low ability have illusory superiority and mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority comes from the metacognitive inability of low-ability people to recognize their lack of ability; without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence.”
Ken, you’re completely devoid of self-awareness.
Ken, you believe yourself to be intellectually superior and you back that up with your reputed A in logic that you bragged about. In reality, you are average and if you look at what average really is on the IQ curve there is a disconnect between what you are and what you think you are. See NII’s discussion and start understanding what your disconnect actually means.
WELL this one sure has my curiosity piqued.
Are they illegals?! I feel like they should step up loud and proud and get on the media with their birth certificates and rub it in this guy’s face how they’ve been here their whole lives.
Come at him with perfect English, having been raised bilingual. Ya know? Really stick it to him, make their solid points against wanton bigotry.
Steg – if they were born and raised here and spoke Spanish, it would be Spanglish. The attorney speaks Spanish and was overhearing the conversation. There may have been something in the conversation that tipped him.
@Paul C Schulte May 19, 2018 at 11:29 AM
“Steg – if they were born and raised here and spoke Spanish, it would be Spanglish. The attorney speaks Spanish and was overhearing the conversation. There may have been something in the conversation that tipped him.”
Two questions:
That “tipped him” to what? That they may be bi-lingual? That they aren’t from Shaker Heights? What?
I was born and raised here and speak and write a little French, or should I say, Frenchlish? That’s not a rhetorical question. In view of my non-French ethnicity, is that what I should call French when I write or speak it?
Please educate me up on this.
Or down, as the case may be.
@David B. Benson May 19, 2018 at 11:13 PM
“Or down, as the case may be.”
🙂
Ken Rogers – there might have been something in what they said in their conversation that led him to suspect they were illegals. I have had personal experience with that situation.
@Paul C Schulte May 20, 2018 at 5:51 AM
“Ken Rogers – there might have been something in what they said in their conversation that led him to suspect they were illegals. I have had personal experience with that situation.”
1) It seems highly unlikely to me that the employee and the customer would be discussing anyone’s illegal immigration status in a public situation like that and much more likely that they were discussing the customer’s food order; and
2) If you’ll watch the video, Schlossberg initiates his tirade with the complaint that the employees (plural) were speaking Spanish, rather than English, right here in his country, America, where the restaurant is! The manager calmly replies that his employees speak both, depending on the circumstances, and it’s only then,dissatisfied with that answer, that Ethno Man waves his cell phone and plays the ICE card, which he no doubt would have done first, had he overheard anything remotely related to illegal immigration status.
I mean, think about it.
Ken Rogers – I will go with your analysis, I did not watch the video that closely.
@Paul C Schulte May 20, 2018 at 12:57 PM
“Ken Rogers – I will go with your analysis, I did not watch the video that closely.”
I’m glad you concur, but it’s still up there in JT’s original blog-post, so it’s easy to re-watch. I queried you on his being “tipped off” about anything, in case you might be trying to rationalize this obviously tormented man’s virulent hostility.
That’s interesting. I just assumed they would speak both languages, because I’ve known a lot of those kids (Hindi, English). The kids I taught were all first generation Americans born here, sound like normal people. Their parents all had thick accents, except a couple that went to college here. Some of the grandparents could be smiles and gestures only.
BUT, that’s a totally different culture.
@Steg May 20, 2018 at 10:05 AM
“That’s interesting. I just assumed they would speak both languages, because I’ve known a lot of those kids (Hindi, English). The kids I taught were all first generation Americans born here, sound like normal people.”
Yes, yes, but if you listen to them closely, aren’t they actually speaking Hindish?