Dr. Windell Davis Boutte loves to post videos of herslf dancing around patients to hip-hop tunes like the video below. Patients however are suing over what they say is her lack of attention and expertise in doing cosmetic surgeries once the dancing stops. Indeed, one such tummy tuck left a bride with permanent brain damage.
Boutte is accused of actually slicing open one patient with “Cut It” by O.T. Genasis blaring in the background.
In the case of Icilma Cornelius, the 55-year-old bride wanted a tummy tuck and was on the table for eight hours in Boutte’s clinic in Lilburn, Georgia, in February 2016, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports.
Her heart stopped on the table and Boutte had to stitch her skin back to close her open wounds as emergency personnel tried to take her to a hospital. Then the elevator in the building would not accommodate a stretcher — an obvious negligent barrier for a medical officer.
Icilima would end up with permanent brain damage. Other patients have complained of being scarred or not given the agreed upon procedures. One patient even claims that she woke up after surgery in a hotel room with a McDonald’s sandwich in her hand.
Boutte has four malpractice cases pending and settled five others. However, she is still working as a cosmetic surgeon.
It is hard to imagine that such conduct around patients is allowed in Georgia, let alone Boutte rate of alleged malpractice.
She could face discipline as a doctor as well as tort and criminal allegations. On the tort side, the possible claims are multifold if she actually danced around real patients or cut into one in a dancing video. First, there is an issue of informed consent if she did switch procedures. Second, there can be battery without consent. Third, there can be torts of intrusion upon seclusion as well as public disclosure of private embarrassing facts. these are just the tort actions.
Kudos: Professor Roger E. Schechter
“Affirmative Action Privilege” for “Untouchables,” diversity, inclusion, integration, forced busing as compulsory social engineering is a joke; an abject failure.
You just can’t see it. It’s usually hidden.
This an example of the effect of the welfare state
– central planning, redistribution of wealth, social engineering –
the dumbing down of America.
In the past, doctors and lawyers met standards and did not advertise.
People must adapt to freedom.
Freedom does not adapt to people.
Dictatorship does.
For reasons I’m not clear on, except for perhaps purely idiotic liberal ideology, the medical schools in this country insist on dumbing down the profession by continually admitting more lesser qualified individuals every year. We’re now seeing the results.
I see a doc like this and I steer clear because I know the chances are good that they were admitted under some special program of relaxed standards. I’ll entrust my life to someone who actually deserves and earns the certification.
Johnson & Johnson just paid a $25 million civil fine (pocket change for a company reportedly worth $327 billion) for knowingly putting ASBESTOS into BABY POWDER, likely causing untold tens of thousands of cancer deaths worldwide. Not one executive was fined, charged on went to prison for that act of wanton mass murder, but let’s drop the legal hammer on this dingbat instead.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/24/health/johnson–johnson-talc-asbestos-verdict-california/index.html
It’s a reasonable wager they haven’t been fired (and, btw, there was a mess of other baby powder manufacturers named in the suit) because the jury was gulled by Erin Brokovich style junk science.
Talcum powder in general can be contaminated with asbestos, which is naturally occurring. That is why you should always choose talc-free products. Please note that talc is a common component in many cosmetics.
J&J now offers a talc-free baby powder, which is based on corn starch. The corn starch is likely GMO, and contaminated with neurotoxic chemicals.
Pick your poison, or find another way to avoid or treat diaper rash.
To be fair, J&J claims that its products have been free of asbestos contamination since the 1970’s.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/24/health/johnson–johnson-talc-asbestos-verdict-california/index.html
Surgeon: one of the “psychopath preferred” professions. Seems to apply here.
Not much to say.
How someone who does this can continue practicing with this kind of behavior and public history.
I am so sorry for what Ms. Cornelius suffered. That poor lady. My sympathies with all of the other patients whom Dr. Boutte harmed. When you are not in the medical field yourself, it can be difficult to know what to look for in a doctor.
I would also like to add to my comment below that when the doctor and surgical nurses touched their gloved hands to their faces and buttocks, their hands were no longer clean. You cannot touch your face, your mouth, or your butt, and then put those hands inside a patient on whom you are operating. There are strict protocols for gloving up.
She appears to have absolutely no idea what she’s doing.
Reply to Karen S, you have an excellent point about the doc and nurses touching their gowns and faces. Surgery is always a sterile procedure and this was not maintained, probably a main reason for so many lawsuits. And it is absolutely unconscionable for a patient to be kept under anesthesia for 8 hours in an out-patient setting. Propofol can be used in an out-patient setting, but an anesthesiologist should be present. These are examples of “standard of care” and this doc clearly has violated them. All this dancing around shows me she has no respect for her patients. I do not know how she still has her license.
I am so sorry for the butchered patients. She should be sued and charged, of course, but no amount of money will turn back the clock on brain damage. That bride will never be made whole again.
Operating suite music is supposed to help the surgeon relax and focus. If you’re wasting your energy dancing around, you have less energy to spend focusing on what you’re doing.
This situation makes it clear that the licensing board does not in fact guard public safety or respond when accusations of malpractice pile up.
http://www.bouttecontour.com/bouttebio/
She’s an annoyingly self-promoting woman. She’s also been around a while, easily 50 years old. Don’t see any red flags in her schooling, although I wouldn’t put it past the author of that web page to be lying about her background. Xavier is about the most rigorous black college in the country and she graduated at the top of her class. She’s not an affirmative-action hire per se. The thing is, her board certification is in dermatology, not plastic-and-reconstructive surgery. That’s been permitted for about 30 years now. Wouldn’t let a dermatologist near me for surgery under anaesthesia. My guess is that she just doesn’t have the training for this and her skills are deteriorating as she ages.
“The thing is, her board certification is in dermatology, not plastic-and-reconstructive surgery.”
On a cursory look, I couldn’t find any formal surgical training. She does this work in her office. Some sites show she has hospital privileges. It would be interesting to see if she has any privileges within the hospital to do the type of surgery she was doing. I doubt it.
Oh my God, it is legal for a doctor without any surgical training to conduct surgery under anesthesia? What do they do, just figure it out? Who does the anesthesia? The receptionist?
The physician’s license is for Medicine and Surgery. Theoretically, a general practitioner is licensed to do brain surgery. Fortunately, that type of surgery needs to be done in a hospital and no Medicare-certified hospital I have ever heard of will grant privileges for a GP to actually do brain surgery.
That is pretty grim.
Yes and no.
Good heavens. Her website shows a gleeful misuse of capitalizations and underlines in touting herself. I particularly liked the bit about how she is “discretely a DOCTOR TO THE STARS!!!” Not even her website is calm and professional.
Star status doesn’t mean good care. Recall, Michael Jackson.
I suspect what Jackson wanted from his doctors was no-questions-asked, something few people want from their doctors.
Doctors are supposed to adhere to their training and not mindlessly follow medical advice from lay people.
It wouldn’t have been ‘medical advice’ he was following, but demands for service.
Yes, in this case, it was demand for services, but in other cases, the “medical advice” comes from the Internet or a friend. I should have said medical demands of the patient.
“…about the most rigorous black college in the country” and you’d not attend it or any other of them. Neither would 99% of the commenters on this blog. That they exist is ridiculous as long as there aren’t HLCUs, HICUs, HPBUs*, etc to match them.
* Historically Latino Colleges & Universities, Historically Italian Colleges & Universities, Historically Polish Colleges & Universities
From your brief description of the sequence of events, it sounds like the woman’s brain damage was the result of bad luck and deficiencies in the physical plant at the hospital. If her heart stopped during surgery, the first place I’d expect the authorities to go hunting for malpractice truffles would be the anaesthesiologist, not the surgeon.
The surgeon, however, is like the captain of a ship — ultimately responsible for things that go wrong which, if the captain had been soberly paying attention and tending to his or her duties, might have been avoided.
In this instance one could reasonably argue that the dancing hip-hop nonsense of the surgeon creates an unprofessional work environment, and probably a grotesque distraction in the operating room. One wonders whether the anaesthesiologist might have been paying more attention to what was happening with the patient if the surgeon hadn’t been a dancing fool.
It says she’s made videos, not that she was making one during that operation.
Hey, I was just going by Turley’s title, “Doctor Featured In Videos Dancing to Hip Hop In Surgeries …”
Key phrase: “dancing to hip hop IN surgeries.”
But thanks for reminding me. Turley often makes erroneous and/or unsupported statements in his titles, and then proceeds to mention nothing about what he said in the title in the body of his article — leaving his title statements just hanging there, often false and frequently unsupported by any facts.
William Bayer – it’s click bait. 😉 Still, it is a tort.
Click bait for sure. Not sure it’s tortious. Could be there are videos of the surgeon dancing in surgeries. I didn’t bother to click on the video provided here. I’d presume Turley wouldn’t cross that line — but then again, I’d have presumed that even a malignant bonehead like Avenatti wouldn’t have been stupid enough to deal in stolen Treasury Department records or publish the private records of two innocent Cohens.
Seems like lawyers are getting pretty careless at every end of the spectrum.
What the court case will need to determine is if loud music and dancing in surgeries is the norm, or just a stunt pulled for a commercial. It is my understanding that these were not extras, but actual unconscious patients. So whether she did it every time, she made a record of doing so on multiple occasions.
There should be a review of her medical license. It is troubling how her former patients attest that she disfigured them.
I understand and agree with the civil suits, but there needs to be a determination if this is a criminal case, as well.
It is my understanding that these were not extras, but actual unconscious patients.
I don’t think so.
Dr Boutte was not board certified in surgery. Her office was not an accredited surgical center. She lacked the proper equipment to monitor a patient’s respiration. Her “nurse manager” was not a nurse at all. Her surgical assistant went to med school in Peru but is not licensed in the US. She failed to report adverse events to the board.
The videos were entered as evidence in a former lawsuit. Whether these were real patients undergoing surgery, or some sort of really realistic special effects, would be noted in the record.
If the court record showed that these were not unconscious patients, then why would a dramatization commercial be used as evidence of malpractice? I have not seen the records, so I do not know personally.
https://www.myajc.com/news/crime–law/woman-left-brain-damaged-after-cosmetic-surgery/zBgkt3s6DEAew7KgCvfuhO/
Oh, and when Cornelius went into cardiac arrest, the registered nurse anesthetist had already left the room. After paramedics stabilized her, it still took Boutte 30 minutes to finish closing, and then there was the debacle down the stairway. She did not even have an anesthesiologist, and there was no end tidal CO2 monitoring at all.
It sounds like a state inspectorate asleep at the switch, big time.
Was an anesthesiologist even present?
About 8.2% of the physicians and surgeons in the United States are black. Absent any more granular data, your single best guess given the distribution of academic performance in this country is that about 1/2 were admitted to medical school under relaxed admissions standards. The Bureau of Labor Statistics does not provide data on the composition of the pool of board certified physicians and surgeons. I assume such data exist, though. Of course, it could be that practicing medicine is what smart blacks want to do. There are definite limits to the scamming around higher ed apparatchiks can do to pump up the minority admissions in this trade, and I’d wager the board-certification examinations cannot be gamed. If you look at peri-medical occupations which require a lot of schooling but have less prestige and income attached to them, they tend to have proportionately fewer blacks. Proportions are as follows: chiropractors (0.1%), optometrists (nil), audiologists (no data), dentists (3.7%), pharmacists (8.2%), physical therapists (5.3%), physician’s assistants (4.7%), nurse-practitioners (10.6%). The proportion for veterinarians is 2.1%.
“Affirmative Action Privilege” of “Untouchables.”
You make money the old fashioned way.
You EARN it.
It’s merit that matters.
In this area, Phoenix Magazine has a list of what are called “Top Docs” each year. Those are doctors the doctors would go to or send their wives or kids to. All of my doctors are Top Docs. My GP is a national Top Doc, as well. Plus, I would never have cosmetic surgery for something like my wedding. If she accepted me at 300 pounds, she will marry me at 300 pounds.
This surgeon’s facilities seemed lacking and she does not seem to have a great track record.
“Top Docs” listings are often paid promotions.
Doubtmeister – can you prove that? Phoenix Magazine says it is an annual survey of doctors. What evidence do you have?
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/top-doctor-awards-deserved-abc-news-investigation/story?id=16771628
Here’s another adolescent in a job for grown-ups.
Perhaps someone reading this can correct me if I’m wrong, or provide additional information — but I recall reading or hearing a few years back that the first and second leading causes of death in the US are cancer and heart disease (not sure which is #1 and which is #2). That makes sense and, true or false, isn’t particularly shocking. What’s shocking is that the third leading cause of death in the US is medical mistakes.
This article illuminates a symptom of one of the most virulent diseases in the US today — that some kids never grow up.
Dancin’ hip-hop surgeons — what could possibly go wrong?
Next time I have a legal issue, maybe I’ll be able to find a rappin’ attorney. Perhaps the late Johnny Cochran — If the glove don’t fit, you must acquit — can be replaced by Turley — If you don’t sue, the accusation must be true!
@William Bayer May 25, 2018 at 5:51 AM
“Perhaps someone reading this can correct me if I’m wrong, or provide additional information — but I recall reading or hearing a few years back that the first and second leading causes of death in the US are cancer and heart disease (not sure which is #1 and which is #2). That makes sense and, true or false, isn’t particularly shocking. What’s shocking is that the third leading cause of death in the US is medical mistakes.”
This is probably what you remember reading about.
The following excerpt is from a Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) article, “Is US Healthcare Really the Best in the World?” by Barbara Starfield, MD, MPH:
“The health care system also may contribute to poor health through its adverse effects. For example, US estimates of the combined effect of errors and adverse effects that occur because of iatrogenic damage not associated with recognizable error include: • 12,000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery • 7,000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals • 20,000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals
• 80,000 deaths/year from nosocomial infections in hospitals • 106,000 deaths/year from nonerror, adverse effects of medications. These total to 225,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic causes.Three caveats should be noted. First, most of the data are derived from studies in hospitalized patients. Second, these estimates are for deaths only and do not include adverse effects that are associated with disability or discomfort. Third, the estimates of death due to error are lower than those in the IOM report. If the higher estimates are used, the deaths due to iatrogenic causes would range from 230,000 to 284,000.In any case,225 000 deaths per year constitutes the third leading cause of death in the United States, after deaths from heart disease and cancer.” [Emphasis added]
https://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/johns-hopkins-primary-care-policy-center/Publications_PDFs/A154.pdf
A later, more comprehensive analysis of US morbidity and mortality found iatrogenesis to be the number one cause of preventable death in the US:
“A group of researchers meticulously reviewed the statistical evidence and their findings are absolutely shocking. These researchers have authored a paper titled ‘Death by Medicine’ that presents compelling evidence that today’s system frequently causes more harm than good.
“This fully referenced report shows the number of people having in-hospital, adverse reactions to prescribed drugs to be 2.2 million per year. The number of unnecessary antibiotics prescribed annually for viral infections is 20 million per year. The number of unnecessary medical and surgical procedures performed annually is 7.5 million per year. The number of people exposed to unnecessary hospitalization annually is 8.9 million per year.
“The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US. (By contrast, the number of deaths attributable to heart disease in 2001 was 699,697, while the number of deaths attributable to cancer was 553,251).” [Emphasis added]
http://www.webdc.com/pdfs/deathbymedicine.pdf
Thanks for that info. That does seem like some version of what I read or heard. I’d had to do some research concerning what some would call medical malpractice, except that there was an element of malice (intent), as opposed to the negligence that usually accompanies medical malpractice (mistakes) — and had to generally familiarize myself with background information.
It’s funny that the first information you referenced also indicates that heart disease and cancer were #1 and #2 causes of death, without specifically stating which was #1 and which was #2, except by implication regarding the order that they were listed. That’s the kind of thing that would prevent my memory from locking in the exact fact regarding #1 and #2. I’m more likely to remember specified facts than implied facts.
And, in fact, it WAS Johns Hopkins information that made up a large portion of the information I was reviewing, so that might have even been it.
Thanks again!
William, be careful about drawing too many conclusions about the IOM report. It is not what it seems.
How so?
I’ll give you the short answer and an example. There is a difference between a preventable death and a death by medical error. Example: A patient with terminal lung cancer just days away from death in severe pain. The morphine dose leaves him with pain so more morphine is provided. He dies of respiratory failure that could have been prevented by leaving him in agonizing pain. Is that medical error? No, but it is a preventable error.
One has to first look at the purpose of the study. It is looking to see if anything could have prevented the death even if such prevention is unfeasible. Then one has to look at the methodology, the numbers, and the multipliers. Then one has to understand that what works for one patient might fail in another and cause death even if it were the appropriate treatment. Health care is aimed at making sick people better and some of those sick people already have one leg in the grave.
Got it. Thanks. The specific issue I was researching had to do with intentional misdiagnosis. It’s a really long story and no longer relevant, having been addressed in court. One thing I learned is that the less I know about the practice of medicine in the US, the more peace of mind I have. I wish it were possible to unlearn a few things, but I don’t expect that to happen in this life.
And on that cheery note (in case we don’t correspond again thru the holiday weekend), HAPPY Memorial Day (if “happy” is the correct wish concerning “memorial” day).
“The specific issue I was researching had to do with intentional misdiagnosis.”
There are many reasons for intentional misdiagnosis which I don’t think you are confusing with missed or mistaken diagnosis. You got me interested so if you wish can you provide a short summary.
Happy Memorial Day and let’s remember our military that doesn’t get all the money and accolades given to our politicians that enrich themselves off the taxpayer’s dime.
Back atcha. Maybe if the subject comes up again sometime, I’ll feel like elaborating — but I chose my words carefully — the issue was knowing and intentional misdiagnosis — as in seeking to pronounce a diagnosis that did not apply.
Think about it for a while, and consider the possibility that there was a financial motive. If nothing else, in thinking about it, you might come up with a heck of a novel.
Financial motivations are all too common and numerous.
Yep. Greed is everything it’s cracked up to be. But it wasn’t the only motive. While discussing this here, I’ve tried to figure out if there’s a short way to tell the story, but there isn’t. No way to describe it without the equivalent of at least 50 pages of single-spaced typing — and that’s omitting adjectives. It’s easier to provide teasers, so include extortion in the process. Think of a physician caught up in an extortion racket run by some sheriff’s deputies — a handful of them and one higher-up, doing things unknown by the sheriff, who had recently been elected and placed his trust in people working under him without having a clue what they were doing.
Bill, I can’t tell where you are going on this subject, the meat of which is known to you and apparently no one else at least on this list. Physicians have to come up with a diagnosis and the diagnosis impacts the fee, the patient, the group if there is one, the hospital if involved, the lawyers, and the medical records just to mention a few. That means the diagnosis can be impacted by all those factors and more. We have created a system that has changed the nature of medicine to a great degree.
Yes, the entire medical system is far more complicated than I’d ever imagined. In the case I’m talking about, it was an ER physician. I literally knew nothing about how that system is structured — that the ER physician is actually his own corporation, using the facilities of the hospital, which is a separate corporation, and the two corporations has names that were so similar, that if you weren’t paying attention — like someone going to the ER probably wouldn’t (being in distress) — you wouldn’t even notice that the papers signed in relation to the physician and the papers signed in relation to the hospital were providing permission and guaranteeing payment to two different corporations. Lots of ridiculous and deceptive stuff like that.
ER physicians can be private entities, owned by corporations or owned by the hospital they work at. Our healthcare regulations are geared to protect the insurers, hospitals, and employers (ERISA) while permitting a great deal of money to drain from the healthcare dollars. The signatures provided by patients in many of these transactions should be viewed as tainted IMO for a multiplicity of reasons.
In this case, the ER physician was part of a group of ER physicians that had formed their own corporation. The hospital was a separate corporation which provided facilities for the ER physicians. I don’t know about other hospital staff — other physicians, nurses, etc. — but the ER physicians were their own corporation. And the admission papers essentially provided permission for “treatment,” but they were offered to the patient by the hospital during the admission procedure — which you’d expect — however, the permission for “treatment” functioned almost like power of attorney. I mean it was wild. And the service they were providing wasn’t actually being provided to the patient but to the sheriff’s department, if the sheriff’s department wanted the papers to be interpreted that way. It was a real sinister scam.
I’ve never tried to write up what it was all about from beginning to end. Just discussing it here with you is reminding me of details I uncovered through the investigation that I haven’t thought about in years. It was a lot like what’s being discovered with the FISA abuse and spying related to the Trump campaign, in the way that the more digging was done the more details emerged and the more complicated the scheme was. I’d have probably written up a narrative version of what went down by now, except that it’s so complicated. Just assembling the facts that could be uncovered took a few years.
I just tired myself out thinking about it, and thinking about if there’s even a way to reduce it to a narrative.
Time for bed.
“ And the service they were providing wasn’t actually being provided to the patient but to the sheriff’s department, “
It seems a lot of people may have been stretching the law and potentially crossing the line. I wonder why the physician would want to risk his license and a personal suit.
@William Bayer May 25, 2018 at 8:35 PM
“Thanks for that info.”
Happy to provide it.
You were right about the ordering of heart disease and cancer in Dr. Starfield’s JAMA article as #s 1 and 2, respectively. Here are some more recent (2015) data as provided by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC):
“Deaths and Mortality
Data are for the U.S.
• Number of deaths: 2,712,630
• Death rate: 844.0 deaths per 100,000 population
• Life expectancy: 78.8 years
• Infant Mortality rate: 5.90 deaths per 1,000 live births
Source: Deaths: Final Data for 2015, tables 1, 3, 13
Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
• Heart disease: 633,842
• Cancer: 595,930
• Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 155,041
• Accidents (unintentional injuries): 146,571
• Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 140,323
• Alzheimer’s disease: 110,561
• Diabetes: 79,535
• Influenza and Pneumonia: 57,062
• Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 49,959
• Intentional self-harm (suicide): 44,193”
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
A visit to the doctors office….How about “Shake Your Booty”
Well, if we’re gonna do a dance mix, let’s really mix it up!
Well, as Bob Ross says, “We don’t make mistakes, just happy little accidents.”
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Could I have your attention?
“Crazy Abe” Lincoln would like to say a few words.
Go ahead, Abe.
Ahem.
“If all earthly power were given me,” said Lincoln in a speech delivered in Peoria, Illinois, on October 16, 1854, “I should not know what to do, as to the existing institution [of slavery]. My first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia, to their own native land.” After acknowledging that this plan’s “sudden execution is impossible,” he asked whether freed blacks should be made “politically and socially our equals?” “My own feelings will not admit of this,” he said, “and [even] if mine would, we well know that those of the great mass of white people will not … We can not, then, make them equals.”
“Crazy Abe” Lincoln had not heard of dictated and compulsory “Affirmative Action Privilege” for the “Untouchables” at that point.
“Crazy Abe” may have proceeded with his plan for compassionate repatriation but someone changed his mind.
At one time or another, every racist in America has probably cited those statements by Lincoln, taken out of context such as you have and tarnishing the memory of one of the greatest men that has ever lived.
Lincoln was not referring to blacks as being inferior, but merely to the reality of the tremendous gap in education and acceptance in society between whites and blacks — and his concern was as much for the blacks who would continue to suffer by being treated as inferior by whites as it was for the whites which Lincoln was aware would not accept blacks as equal citizens. As a simple matter of practical reality, Lincoln thought that there might be another solution.
His original idea was to send the freed slaves to Liberia, and later he’d concluded that Central or South America would be a better destination, where they could have their own country, form their own government, and evolve their own society, instead of having to endure the endless ordeal of fitting in with the white society that held them in such contempt.
He was looking for a solution to a problem, not casting judgment upon blacks.
Right. Send them somewhere that is empty of human habitation. He seemed to be as blind to indigenous populations as the rest of the colonizers.
You can’t judge people of a different era by today’s standards. Any intelligent person understands that. Grow up, or go back to picketing your local library for having Huckleberry Finn in its shelves.
He seemed to be as blind to indigenous populations as the rest of the colonizers.
Did it ever occur to you to ask how many ‘indigenous people’ actually lived in that section of West Africa or in Central America? Some parts of the globe were and are nearly empty. The population density of Liberia in the late 19th century is thought to be 16 per sq mile. That of Honduras, 7 per sq mile.
I doubt that there was a “tremendous gap in education” between whites and blacks in 1865. I’m sure most blacks were illiterate, as were the mass of the European peasants flooding in from Italy, Germany, famine-stricken Ireland, etc. My grandmother came much later, as an infant in 1920. They settled in Minnesota and she was allowed to quit school at the end of the 4th grade to help out at home. There just wasn’t that much of a perceived need for education at the time. Lincoln, Henry Clay and other prominent members of the American Colonization Society believed that blacks would never fit into American society, and as Lincoln said, “would continue to be a burden on future generations of Americans.” They wanted to “resettle” the freed slaves in “their native Liberia,” but soon realized that would be financially and logistically impractical, so they began looking at Caribbean islands and South America. As far as “indigenous people,” most of these places, Haiti, Bahamas, etc already had significant black populations. More than 50% of the slaves shipped from Africa went to the Caribbean and South America, so they would have been sent to live among other persons of African descent. Had Lincoln not been assassinated, this may have happened. We just don’t know. In any case, I do not agree that Lincoln was “one of the greatest men who ever lived.” He tore his country apart by a horrifically destructive war that could have been avoided by a more politically astute and less dictatorial President.
He tore his country apart by a horrifically destructive war that could have been avoided by a more politically astute and less dictatorial President.
No, it could not have been avoided.
You have a wildly-distorted and cherry-picked concept of US History. Claiming that Lincoln started the Civil War displays considerable ignorance in the circumstances existing at the time of his election. And your view of the white population as being comprised of “peasants flooding in from Italy, Germany, famine-stricken Ireland, etc.” is equally absurd.
I won’t argue, or even attempt to have a rational discussion, with someone that’s gone to the trouble of filling his or her head with so much distorted nonsense, so I’ll cut this short before you try to tell me that the Gettysburg Address was garbage plagiarized from Joe Biden.
Did you say “Gettysburg” address? What rubbish from a psychotic despot in full ignorance of the limits on government in the U.S. Constitution. “Crazy Abe” illegally killed 50,000 Americans and not one slave. As I recall, your ilk claims that America was abusive towards slaves. How would you describe “Crazy Abe’s” actions with regard to his murdering 50,000 Americans in one fell swoop, kind, gracious, courteous, humane?
George – both the Union and Confederates killed slaves either on purpose or as collateral damage.
“Following Republican Abraham Lincoln’s victory over the divided Democratic Party in November 1860, South Carolina immediately initiated secession proceedings.”
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-civil-war-begins
Doesn’t seem like Lincoln had much of a chance to “[tear] his country apart by a horrifically destructive war that could have been avoided by a more politically astute and less dictatorial President” — unless merely getting elected is considered “dictatorial.”
It’s interesting how your point of view, which appears to be the point of view of a democrat in 1860, is so similar to the point of view of a present day democrat concerning how much Trump resembles Hitler just for getting elected.
Do any pleasant things happen in the Parallel Universe? — or is it all just lies and hatred?
“that could have been avoided by a more politically astute and less dictatorial President.”
I wish this was a forum to discuss things of this nature. I disagree. The die was cast and unless there were changes in attitudes among leaders of the south I doubt the war could have been averted. Many of those southern leaders had ambitions that exceeded just a separation from the union and that would have led to clashes in the future if the nation had divided itself.
Catalonia, Scotland, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Transnistria, Venice, West Virginia, British colonies in America and every nation in the former USSR, all availed themselves of the natural and God-given right to secession. The CSA was not restricted from secession by the Constitution and was a sovereign foreign nation by legitimate and legal republican determination of the population of that country from which “Crazy Abe” had a legal obligation to withdraw military forces.
“Crazy Abe” didn’t have fleets of passenger jet liners to promptly accomplish the scenario delineated by Lincoln’s own words – compassionate repatriation (currently entire armies are immediately transported) for the benefit of the very freed slaves themselves; their sense of nationhood and self-esteem. Had you been abducted, would not your greatest desire have been to be returned to your home? The disposition and demeanor of freed slaves was adversely affected by the denial of safe passage home.
“Had you been abducted, would not your greatest desire have been to be returned to your home?”
Your ignorance is manifest. You’ve no clue about the slavery statistics and how many of the freed slaves had been born in America by the time Lincoln freed them.
“The Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves of 1807 (2 Stat. 426, enacted March 2, 1807) is a United States federal law that stated that no new slaves were permitted to be imported into the United States. It took effect in 1808, the earliest date permitted by the United States Constitution.
“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_Prohibiting_Importation_of_Slaves
By the time the Emancipation Proclamation was passed and the Civil War subsequently ended, there were very few slaves in America that had ever been in Africa, and the ones that were still alive were very old and had been brought over at such a young age that they had no memory of ever having been in Africa.
Summary: You’re shooting your mouth off about things concerning which you know NOTHING, and you’re hiding your racism behind a fake concern for the slaves. That’s really just plain pitiful.
Correction: Obviously I conflated the Emancipation Proclamation with passage of the 13th Amendment, which is what was “passed” — the Proclamation being an Executive Order — though they are inextricably connected.
It’s been a long day, mostly involving arguing with idiots, with a few oases of pleasant/intelligent discourse.
I’m tired. Hopefully I’ll have only pleasant conversations until hitting the sack. I’m gonna need sleep to address the next moronic article that Turley posts concerning Cohen. Judging by the latest hit job by the NYT, Turley’s probably already working on his.
Obviously, your mouth shot off the usual pompous, presumptuous diarrhea while it failed to answer the question.
Objection! Would your honor please instruct the witness to simply answer the question and not volunteer additional testimony.
“Had you been abducted, would not your greatest desire have been to be returned to your home?”
After JFK/LBJ sent met to the rice paddies and jungles of Viet “Arm-Pit-of-the-World” Nam, I watched, as pangs of despondency overcame me, the jetliners “eight miles high” traverse the sky on their way to the “World” and longed for home.
Additionally, as the legal status of slaves changed from “property” to “illegal alien” the day the Emancipation Proclamation was issued, the entire nation should have demanded and resolved to accomplish compassionate repatriation, with that very ruling being made by the Supreme Court per the law and for the benefit of the long-suffering slaves.
You might review the Constitution. No “proclamation” is authorized but for war, rebellion or insurrection. “Crazy Abe” illegally issued an illegitimate “executive order” and “proclamation” during “secession.” Further, “Crazy Abe” had no authority to confiscate the private property of Americans.
Understanding that the Constitution does not restrict or preclude secession, the Confederate States of America seceded, concluding the affair upon the execution of that act, as the British colonies, West Virginia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Catalonia, Brexit, Scotland, Crimea, Quebec and every nation in the former USSR, all, availed themselves of their natural and God-given right to secession. “Crazy Abe” had no legal paths at that point so he violated the law and fundamental law.
Please do inform my ignorance and affirm that you don’t simply make it up as you go along.
Blacks and folks of other colors could not become citizens before “Crazy Abe” Lincoln’s “Reign of Terror.”
“Any alien being a free white person…may…become a citizen.”
Further, the fraudulent “Reconstruction Amendments” and every other dictatorial act of “Crazy Abe” and his criminal successors were and still are unconstitutional in that “Crazy Abe’s” acts were accomplished without a quorum, without proper ratification and under the duress of war and post-war military occupation.
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Naturalization Acts 1790, 1795 and 1802
United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790).
“Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen…”
And yet Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt before the ink was dry on their release papers. After 400 years of slavery, Israel seceded from Egypt and Moses led the Israelites across the desert to the “promised land.”
The disposition and demeanor of freed slaves was adversely affected by the denial of safe passage home.
About half the slaves imported into the U.S. and British North American were so prior to 1780 and about half after 1780. Africa was typically 3 generations in the past for the freed slaves and African languages were unknown. Their captured ancestors were sold on the coast having been knabbed in the interior in the course of inter-tribal raids and warfare. Also, African communal and political formations of that era were rather protean. Wasn’t a home to return to by 1865.
That is true, which is one of the reason why this experiment of abolitionists in creating a homeland failed.
I sometimes wonder what it would have been like if Abraham Lincoln had survived. Perhaps we wouldn’t have had such an acrimonious Restoration, or the Jim Crow South. He did want to heal the wounds in the family, after all.
Put another way, the importation of slaves into the US was prohibited by law in 1808, before Lincoln was even born, which was in 1809. So any slaves in the US that had actually come from Africa would have been older that Lincoln was when he died, even if they’d been transported to America on the day of their birth. And since people didn’t tend to live very long back then, and slaves didn’t generally get much medical care, it’s possible that there wasn’t a single slave in America who was born in Africa by the time the Civil War ended. Surely there were none left alive who thought of Africa as their home.
Let’s talk about the law. The countries and/or continent of origin of slaves in the British colonies and America were irrefutably Liberia et al. and Africa. If you don’t know that, the records of British shippers do. Upon issuance of his illegal “proclamation,” the legal status of slaves changed from “property” to “illegal alien” requiring deportation as citizens must have been “…free white person(s),…,” leaving “compassionate repatriation” as the sole legal resolution. “Crazy Abe” was a sufficiently capable “statesmen” to kill one million Americans for no existentially compelling reason but he wouldn’t/couldn’t raise the funds for passage back to Africa for the long-suffering slaves.
THE LAW
Naturalization Acts 1790, 1795 and 1802
United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790).
“Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen…”
One of the last Confederate apologists, Crazy George longs for the good old days of human chattel slavery.
George:
It is anachronistic to judge Abraham Lincoln, Plato, Socrates, or any other historical great person by today’s moral standards. Abraham Lincoln stood far and above his contemporaries. He fought a long and bloody Civil War for his convictions to free the slaves and preserve our Union. He was born in 1809, and was raised in those times. He also had a long range plan to reunify North and South, which our country missed out on. Obviously, he would not fit in exactly in 2018 in Haight Ashbury. And yet, he risked it all to try to right a great wrong.
There was a very popular desire among abolitionists to give freed slaves their own country in an attempt to right this wrong. None of those experiments succeeded in a prosperous free society.
I vehemently disagree with your implication that African Americans should be relegated to a lower caste system. Everyone should be judged on their own individual merits.
Incoherent and hysterical.
It is not “anachronistic” that America bears “The White Man’s Burden” to this day because “Crazy Abe” did not take the appropriate, legal and honorable corrective action and pay the bill for compassionate repatriation – which was the cost of passage or ship fare.
I provided no “implication.” I recited the law. After providing “Crazy Abe’s” quote, that means “Crazy Abe’s” own words for those of you in Rio Linda, I pointed out that “Crazy Abe” nullified and shredded the Constitution and egregiously violated fundamental law, “Crazy Abe’s” suspension of Habeas Corpus required impeachment, secession was legal and valid and concluded, “Crazy Abe” started an illegal war with a sovereign foreign nation, “Crazy Abe” killed one million Americans when it was not absolutely necessary, slavery should have been ended through promotions, boycotts and divestiture and that the legal status of slaves changed from “property” to “illegal alien” requiring deportation, which “Crazy Abe” resolved through his idea and proposal to “compassionately repatriate” freed slaves. “Cray Abe” could have followed the Constitution, obeyed the law, returned the slaves to their homes and refrained from murdering his countrymen and destroying his country.
According to the Georgia Composite State Board of Medical Examiners, Dr. Davis Boutte has, as is mentioned above, four lawsuits completed against her. They are:
01/18/2018 $95,000
10/01/2017 $900,000
02/22/2018 $1,000,000
02/06/2018 $990,000
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Total $2,985,000
The website did not indicate any sanctions against her license by Georgia or other states. From the text, I had the impression that some of this type of record is self-reported.
One would hope if the malpractice and unprofessionalism presented here, if clear, cogent, and convincing, would be cause for an emergency suspension of her license as a public safety measure.
She looks unhinged. Was there no concern about her behavior in the OR?
True life is stranger than fiction.
That’s because, as any publisher will tell you, fiction (other than science fiction) is constrained by the principle that it must be believable. There are no such constraints on true life.
I’m sure she’s not an affirmative action hire, right?
Would you go to an affirmative action doctor for cosmetic surgery?
I think the question as to whether that’s salient would be to check and see if she’s board-certified. If she is, my guess would be she’s not or that she is but the mulligans she got didn’t matter in the end. A certain number of people who pass through all the screens are just lousy doctors. Some practitioners just have bad luck. Many years ago 60 Minutes did an expose of a neurosurgeon in Massachusetts who had been responsible for 1/3 of the sums changing hands in malpractice cases over some period of time. Another practitioner permitted to assess his patient files and sit for an interview with CBS had this to say about him: “He’s an average neurosurgeon. He’s made his share of mistakes…”.
That’s true of lawyers as well. Credentials only go so far. My office used to hire only from the top 20 ranked law schools, but found that “special admits” [law school euphemism for affirmative action] just couldn’t cut it. We had much better success with above-average students from the lower ranked, regional law schools who were admitted competively and made it through without any special hand-holding.