The Curious Tale Of The Flynn Sentencing Hearing

Below is a column on the Flynn’s sentencing hearing and the curious turn of events in the case. He is now scheduled for a new sentencing hearing in March 2019. Interestingly, while I have repeatedly stated in print and television that Flynn does not deserve sympathy, I have been widely quoted as saying that I have called for such sympathy. My point is simply that there are serious concerns raised by how this interview was handled, including the intentional effort to have Flynn interviewed without counsel. Moreover, it is possible to denounce such false statements without exaggerating the specific crime itself. It is still unclear why Flynn lied when the conversation of such sanctions was not strange or improper. Indeed, the Administration publicly was saying that it wanted a new start with Russia and would reexamine all aspects of the relationship. The hearing however quickly went off the rails. I have a great deal of respect for Judge Emmet Sullivan and have appeared before him on countless occasions. But this hearing took a radical departure from the record and the specific crime being addressed in sentencing.

One could well understand if President Trump’s fired National Security Adviser Michael Flynn was a tad confused Tuesday at his sentencing hearing on his guilty plea to a single count of making false statements to federal investigators.

Flynn appeared before Judge Emmet G. Sullivan in U.S. District Court in Washington to be sentenced for lying about topics he discussed with then-Russian Ambassador to the U.S. Sergey I. Kislyak – but never got a sentence.

Instead, Flynn surprisingly found himself being hammered by Judge Sullivan on whether he could be charged with treason and for working as an unregistered agent on behalf of Turkey. Then Sullivan indicated to Flynn he might sentence him to prison time.

That led Flynn to accept the judge’s offer to delay his sentencing until he completes his cooperation agreement with Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller’s team of investigators.

Mueller had recommended that Flynn, a retired Army three-star general, get no prison time following Flynn’s assistance to the Mueller team that is investigating whether the Trump presidential campaign colluded with Russia to help elect Trump.

Flynn has met with Mueller’s team 19 times to answer questions, but there has been no public disclosure of what he told investigators.

Sullivan’s harsh attack on Flynn was a surprise. It left Flynn in the position of someone being hit by a train – when the train was miles off its track.

Sullivan began the sentencing hearing by expressing his concern over the way Flynn was interviewed without counsel by the FBI. However, the judge soon took off in a dramatically different direction.

At points using the flag in the courtroom as a prop, Sullivan said: “You were an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as the national security adviser to the president of the United States. That undermines everything this flag over here stands for. Arguably, you sold your country out.”

Sullivan also asked prosecutor Brad Van Grack: “Hypothetically could he have been charged with treason?”

First and foremost, raising a treason charge is so wildly out of place on this record that it could have been viewed as an attempt by the judge at being facetious. The man in front of Sullivan was accused of lying in an FBI interview, even though the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe his false statements were intentional.

Flynn was accused of lying not about speaking with Ambassador Kislyak – something neither unlawful nor unprecedented for an incoming national security adviser – but of failing to acknowledge that he and Kislyak discussed U.S. sanctions on Russia and Russia’s position on an upcoming vote in the United Nations regarding Israel.

Significantly, none of what Flynn and Kislyak discussed had anything to do with alleged Russian collusion with the Trump campaign on the 2016 presidential election or the other matters under investigation by Special Counsel Mueller.

Conversely, treason is defined as levying war on the United States or giving aid and comfort to a nation with which we are at war. Even raising the question of such a charge against Flynn for his work on behalf of Turkey – a NATO ally – is absurd.

The most worrisome statement by Judge Sullivan involved Flynn being a foreign agent as national security adviser. Flynn’s work as a lobbyist has been raised in the investigation, but this was work Flynn did before he became national security adviser in the White House and was unrelated to the Russia investigation.

Yet the judge cited Flynn’s lobbying on behalf of Turkey as an aggravating factor he was considering in sentencing Flynn – despite the fact that this was not being used by the prosecutor as an aggravating factor.

Flynn has never been accused of being a foreign agent as national security adviser. Flynn did retroactively declare that his work between August and November 2016 as a lobbyist “could be construed to have principally benefited the Republic of Turkey.” That work was not for Russia and such retroactive declarations are not uncommon.

Indeed, various figures like Democratic powerhouse Tony Podesta (brother of Hillary Clinton campaign chair John Podesta) filed the same retroactive declaration under the Foreign Agents Registration Act involving the same underlying work for the same country.

Violations under Foreign Agents Registration Act (until the Mueller investigation) were rarely prosecuted as criminal matters. The vast majority of cases were matters of simple filings and fee payments, or in a few cases civil penalties.

The failure to file as a lobbyist for Turkey under the Foreign Agents Registration Act hardly makes Flynn the modern-day equivalent of Benedict Arnold. It makes him the Republican version of Tony Podesta, who is enjoying his retirement in his home in the upscale Kalomara neighborhood of Washington a few doors down from the former President Obama and his family.

Sullivan walked back his comments after recess but again suggested that he might sentence Flynn to a longer period of incarceration if he went forward in that hearing.

Some legal analysts immediately pounced on Flynn’s counsel for the fact that they noted in an earlier filing that the FBI worked to interview Flynn without counsel. One – former White House Counsel Jack Quinn – even suggested on CNN that Judge Sullivan could well be concerned that an ineffective counsel claim was forthcoming due to the filing of the Flynn defense.

However, this ignores the fact that Sullivan said that he found the information troubling and took the rare step of ordering the FBI “302” investigative reports to be made public. Sullivan’s comments about treason and being an effective mole in the White House had nothing to do with raising the context of his false statements. Moreover, the point was not to suggest that Flynn was unaware that making false statements was a crime. Giving a warning puts the subject on notice that this is part of a criminal investigation. While not required absent custody, the warning was given to others but intentionally withheld with regard to Flynn.

Moreover, it is hard to believe that former White House counsel Quinn – a Democrat who worked for President Clinton, Vice President Gore and other Democratic elected officials – would have looked kindly upon the decision of FBI Director James Comey to ignore the longstanding protocol of contacting the White House counsel before interviews like the one conducted with Flynn.

All of this drama in court Tuesday came in a case where both sides agreed on zero prison time for a first offender who had a record of 33 years of service in the U.S. Army.

Moreover, Mueller admitted recently that while former Trump personal attorney Michael Cohen lied repeatedly to investigators, prosecutors simply allowed him to correct the record without facing additional charges.

And earlier in Mueller’s investigation, a non-cooperating witness – lawyer Alex van der Zwaan – received just 30 days in prison. In the same investigation, a witness who cooperated but then fell out of favor with Mueller received just 14 days in prison.

Flynn should still receive zero prison time after Mueller files a more detailed account of his cooperation. Given the cooperation previously noted and the maximum of a six-month sentence Flynn could face for his guilty plea, Sullivan was likely considering a sentence of less than six months to start within Tuesday’s hearing.

As the judge works up and down that short sentencing spectrum in the next hearing, Flynn should stand accountable for the crime he confessed to – and not crimes imagined in his record.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro professor of public Interest law at George Washington University and a practicing criminal defense attorney.

156 thoughts on “The Curious Tale Of The Flynn Sentencing Hearing”

  1. The racism exposed by commentors is astounding. Mespo, you especially. I’m an old timer, too, and I remember you from some years back. What the hell happened to you? Prof. Turley, the gaps in your reporting is appalling. Sullivan was out of line, but I think he was reacting to published opinion pieces that suggested that Flynn was “set up”. He wanted to give Flynn every opportunity to withdraw his guilty plea if Flynn felt he had been abused by the FBI and/or the DOJ.
    Trump is a danger to our country. Let’s hope the newest reports are not true – he’s looking at firing the Fed’s Powell.

  2. I have a proposal:

    We are going to impeach Donald Trump and Canada and Mexico will pay the United States $5 billion for it.

  3. Do you even know you’re in a war zone, I doubt it, brain dead zombies, npc’s for the most part.

    Rammstein – Amerika (Official Video)

    1. OT/on topic: I seen in the news Ginsburg’s cancer has returned.

      There’s plenty of proof there are a lot of brain dead zombies that don’t realize they are walking around in a war zone & that a large part of our govt, that are charged with protecting our interest are actually Attacking us!

      Looking back we can see in case after case the govt, corporations & academia have been blocking research, withholding break through cures & treatments.

      My family like many thousands of other families are dealing with this issue again.

      Point being I think any normal person would be pissed knowing that many of those b*stard are harming people in real time even today.

      Today 5G tech is being rolled out. As I understand it, No it won’t Cure Cancer, in fact it’s claimed those rolling it out, govt, academia & tech Know It will Cause Massive Waves of Cancer.

      https://duckduckgo.com/?q=5+G+rolled+out+today&t=h_&ia=web

      But they’re from the Govt, they love us & only wish to help us. LOL:) Ya Right!

      All this family wants for Christmas is more Tumors in exchange for higher download speeds. Sarc Off

      Not that I’m promoting cannabis, I’m just promoting researching to Stop Causing Cancers & how to Cure it if it shows up.

      https://duckduckgo.com/?q=University+of+Virgina+in+1974+did+a+study+that+showed+cannabis+killed+cancer+cells&t=h_&ia=web

      There’s another report out of Spain confirming UV’s research.

      1. Awesome. How ’bout the latest report on Bigfoot? I know that your “sources” have informed you of some secret “DEEP STATE” project to indocrinate Mr. Foot as a government stooge, or some such. I’ll hang up and listen.

        this is to “I’ve been told to understand that broccoli is a government lie” drunken okie

      1. It is good, but it’s not the only one.

        Plus years ago I once found a site the went into detail about their song lyrics.

        These lyrics are close but not the original intent…, I believe.

      2. Lets see, Full Moon week on a Christmas & New Years Holiday…., are you trying to start a gun fight with your wife or girl or get laid?

        I think I’d aim for the later & try some George Strait, Willie Nelson, Merle, etc… 😉

      1. Oky1:

        Every day Trump’s in office just enrages them more. Kinda gratifying to see the comeuppance. And if he goes at their hands, then he’s exposed them for the monsters they are. We’ll never look at the press, the FBI, the DOJ, the Repubs or the Dems the same way again. Trump’s defined the problem and that’s the first step to sweeping it away.

        1. mespo,

          1st I want to say thank you for your input here on this blog.

          2 nd I want to let you know after 40 yrs plus contracting& RE battles it was nothing compared to helping a current sick family member that’s have issues.

          Along those lines I hope Nick is doing ok also.

          Point is Lawyers, Professionals, military people, Normal People, etc., have to Suck It Up & function everyday at the highest level they can even when trouble shows up.

          That’s what I endeavor to do.

          A now ret. professional friend of mine told me decades back with a laugh: You just need to learn to enjoy the pain. LOL:)

          Today was like a punch in the face by Mike Tyson. The good news is that I’m still standing tonight.

          Beyond that:

          I’m still very supportive of Trump & promote him everywhere.

          I had some biz to wrap up today & haven’t had the time to sort through this but I’ll give people the heads up to take a look.

          Trumps circle has long been talking with Alex Jones/Roger Stone etc.

          Notice Sessions is gone, etc., etc,.

          Ret Special Forces guy today I like on Infowars:

          https://www.brighteon.com/5982272840001

          12/20/2012, Trumps in up to his neck engaged in full on war with the Deep State. Two sides go in, only one side walks out, but Trump gave them a chance just to walk away & they should have taken it!

          This is not the BS fake news others hear/see.

          https://www.brighteon.com/5982299905001

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  4. That was a flurry of sock puppet attacks; Mesblo was on the ropes and then the calvary came. They could not let “eccentric” stand; no complaints about batshit crazy though.

  5. BREAKING NEWS:

    DEFENSE SECRETARY MATTIS RESIGNING

    Former General Jim Mattis issued a letter of resignation today announcing he will leave effective February 28. Resignation comes one day after Donald Trump announced his intention to pull U.S. troops out of Syria. Trump’s announcement surprised even loyal supporters on Capitol Hill. However Russian leader Vladimir Putin commended Trump for the announced withdrawal.

    Mattis’ resignation creates enormous speculation with regards to a successor. It also comes on the heels of former General Kelly’s dismissal as Trump’s Chief of staff. Mattis and Kelly were both considered talented professionals by Washington’s establishment. Observers now wonder if those positions can be filled by people of equal stature. There is justifiable concern that only the most loyal Trump supporters will consider those jobs.

    1. Maybe Trump will appoint his son-in-law. No no, wait, his daughter. Maybe someone from FOX. Bill-o needs a job. What about Glenn Beck? Alex Jones?

      1. God, that’s funny, Fishwings. I don’t know Fox News well enough to guess who there might take the job. But whoever they use as a ‘Military Analyst’ stands a good chance of being offered the job.

    1. David, This seems like an OT remark, but the breakdown of drano is basically lye and hydrogen which probably creates more danger for the user than the environment since the lye once diluted is not a threat. I guess the Hydrogen could explode or cause a fire and send the lye up the drain to the users face. There are better ways to keep a drain clear and some are biolgic fat eaters. Pure hot water can do the trick as well. It depends where and how bad the blockage is.

          1. Thank you, I suppose, Allan, but I had a year of chemistry in high school and another as a freshman at CalTech.

            1. That’s it? I would have thought you would have taken more. I took loads of chemistry, physics and mathematics and only the minimum of everything else. My wife was initially trained in computer science in the second year of the new program offered at only three universities. She had a lot more chemistry. The mathematics she was taught went way over my head and apparently over the heads of a lot of engineers because some were unable to go further.

  6. And, of course, Flynn, Manafort, Gates, Papadopoulos, Cohen et al. allegedly committed several crimes having no relationship to the matter of “Russian collusion” for which a special counsel was illicitly and politically appointed as an egregious abuse of power by Obama and his “holdovers.”

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