I have previously expressed my outrage at the position of the Trump Administration in failing to hold Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman accountable in the murder of Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul last year. The evidence is overwhelming that the Crown Prince (who has a blood-soaked reign in the Kingdom) ordered the savage murder. Now, the Crown Prince is doing a world tour and assembling fawning leaders to show that he is effectively immune from such quaint notions as murdering journalists. Countries like Pakistan have accepted billions from the Kingdom and are now pandering to the Crown Prince, including giving the accused murderer a gold-plated submachine gun.
China, India, Pakistan and other countries have participated in photo ops designed to show that the Crown Prince cannot be isolated or held accountable.
The evidence is overwhelming that the Crown Prince ordered the murder but the Trump Administration has refused to acknowledge the evidence of its own intelligence services and now has missed a deadline set by Congress. Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, has a close relationship with the Crown Prince and the Administration is clearly unwilling to allow his murdering of a Washington Post journalist interfere with the U.S.-Saudi relationship.
The report states that an intercept involved a conversation between the Crown Prince and top aide Turki Aldakhil about Khashoggi in September 2017. The two Saudis apparently expressed concern that Khashoggi’s writings were too critical of the Saudi regime. Bin Salman reportedly told Aldakhil that if Khashoggi refused to return to Saudi Arabia willingly, then he should somehow be forced back. If not, he would take out Khashoggi with “a bullet.”
Most of the members of Congress have acknowledged the obvious role of the Crown Prince and even leading Republicans are saying that continued denials are unbelievable and embarrassing for the country. Before this intercept, the U.S. intelligence services disclosed a “smoking gun phone call” of Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman with an alleged instruction to “silence Jamal Khashoggi as soon as possible.” Moreover, there is a recording referencing the Crown Prince by the murderers as well as an intercept of a team member calling an aide to Prince Mohammed and saying “tell your boss” that the mission was accomplished. Intercepts also show that Prince Mohammed was trying to find ways to lure Mr. Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia. It also ignores the detailed plans involving the Crown Prince’s close aide and a large team of men sent from Saudi Arabia, including a body double for Khashoggi.
What followed the murder was a series of planned lies, including sticking with the original plan of claiming that Khashoggi was shown leaving the consulate. The Saudis however failed to use Khashoggi’s shoes after having the man don the dead man’s clothes. With the disproving of every lie, the Saudis added new ones. Finally, the Saudis simply declared that they will not allow criticism of the Crown Prince, which is described as a “red line” issue. It seems to suggest that the Crown Prince is simply off the table in any investigation regardless if he ordered the killing.
China is Saudi Arabia’s biggest trading partner and the killing of a journalist is obviously not a consideration, let alone a concern, for the regime. The Saudis have made it clear that Saudi dollars demand public adoration for the Crown Prince. In return, the Crown Prince has supported China’s brutal crackdown on Muslims in some of its provinces.
With the United States still protecting the Crown Prince despite the death of a U.S.-based journalist, the Saudi capital is likely to overshadow capital murder.
Human endeavor is a fickle monstrosity. “Crazy Abe” Lincoln killed 1 million Americans and was consequently subjected to capital punishment. Allen Dulles, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and the “Texas Oilmen” killed the too-liberal JFK but the Vietnam war petered out and America was nevertheless saddled with the Communist Manifesto.
“the people are nothing but a great beast…
I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value.”
– Alexander Hamilton
Murder Seeks a pass.
COMMENTER ALAN EQUATES PATRIOTISM..
WITH SUPPORT FOR TRUMP AND MURDEROUS SAUDI PRINCE
In his comments on this thread, Alan keeps rationalizing Khashoggi’s murder with empty claims that somehow Khashoggi was ‘anti-American’. Apparently anyone connected with The Washington Post is ‘anti-American’ in Alan’s view.
Alan seems to think that Saudi Arabia is such a great friend that the U.S. cannot afford to offend the Saudi Prince. Never mind that the September 11 attack was funded and executed largely by Saudis.
Alan then concludes, in his response to me, with: “Peter, I understand that you hate Trump more than you love America. That is part of your creed”.
So here Alan makes it official, ‘Anyone hating Donald Trump is unpatriotic”.
Yes, that’s correct, our current president, who has sided with Vladimir Putin on the world stage, is so beyond reproach that anyone who hates him is unpatriotic. Go figure! Logically it should be the other way around.
“COMMENTER ALAN EQUATES PATRIOTISM..WITH SUPPORT FOR TRUMP AND MURDEROUS SAUDI PRINCE”
I equate patriotism to those that seek to maintain the principles behind the Declaration of Independence and that live up to the Constitution and worry about American citizens rather than terrorists.
Peter, you might love your country but you love it less than you hate Trump. That hatred leads you to say a lot stupid things along with a lot of lies.
One doesn’t have to like the Saudi’s if it benefits America to deal with them. One doesn’t have to like their enemy when trying to prevent a war. One doesn’t have to like Trump to be a good American. You can hate him all you want, however one has to look at policy and depersonalize it. That is something you and most of your Democratic friends can’t seem to do. If you could you would be talking and debating policy without the need to lie in order to put Trump in a bad light.
the Administration is clearly unwilling to allow his murdering of a Washington Post journalist interfere with the U.S.-Saudi relationship.
Leave it to progressives; they are expert Idealists and amateur Realists. Of course idealism is not necessarily a bad thing, for instance I expect my 10 year old to dream big. My job however is to teach him how the real world works. It is a real problem when those amateurs pervade our political institutions. That’s how you get our massive bureaucratic state and $22 trillion in debt.
Of course Khashoggi was murdered and all evidence leads to the SA Crown Prince. Ideally, MBS is punished. Realistically, what does that look like?
one of the aspects that puts journalists at risk is their continuous political scheming.
this is universal. the US does it too. operation mockingbird is an example of influence operations…. but there are many others including the misuse of journalism as a sort of commonplace legend (cover) for intelligence agents
https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/study-warns-that-western-spies-put-lives-in-danger-by-posing-as-journalists/
Today’s WaPo is another example, a paper that serves the oligarchic whims of Bezos.
Bezos himself is one who puts his own hirelings in danger by his anti-Trump obsession which taints them all as partisans
The reason President Trump’s lack of concern over Khashoggi’s death, aside from the fact that he was anti-American and ran around with terrorists, was he is trying to create a balance of power in the Middle East.
If the countries of the Middle East can create such a balance the chances of war decline and the ability of the US to get out of the area is enhanced. One can see a positive development in the area by former enemies becoming more and more friendly.
Example in today’s Jerusalem Post”
Sisi: If Jews return to Egypt, we’ll build synagogues
“President Sisi spoke fondly not only of Egypt’s past vibrant Jewish community, but also said that should there be a resurgence of the Jewish community in Egypt.”
https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Sisi-If-Jews-return-to-Egypt-well-build-synagogues-581664
Alan, it seems you want to keep rationalizing Khashoggi’s murder. The idea seems to be that we shouldn’t care about his death.
” it seems you want to keep rationalizing Khashoggi’s murder. ”
You are amazing Peter.
Where is your concern for the death of those being smuggled into our country only because they know our borders are porous. Where are your concerns with regard to those that are suffocated in the backs of vans driven by coyotes, or those that die from trafficking or those that die in the desert? Those deaths fell when illegal immigrants knew they would more likely be expelled from the country.
Where is your concern for the American who is killed by MS 13 that you invite into our borders or the run of the mill criminal killer that kills or steals from American citizens?
Where is your concern for the health of our children and adults when because of Democratic restrictions on beds at the border and things of that nature unvaccinated children and adults are not seen and vaccinated by medical personel before enterring our nation?
Where is your concern for the potential live births that may be killed or even the healthy baby that is near delivery?
Why are you so concerned with an enemy of the United States but have so little concern for American citizens?
You are absolutely horrid. You and your type will watch millions die solely to promote your ideological beliefs.
TRUMP-KUSHNER BUSINESS CONFLICTS..
CLOUDED JUDGEMENT ON SAUDI PRINCE
The president and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, also decided to make Saudi Arabia a linchpin of their policy in the Middle East. Kushner, lacking full security clearance and any diplomatic experience, lobbied the crown prince directly in early 2017 to secure what was fancifully and inaccurately touted as a $110 billion arms sale – most of which had been agreed a year earlier, and the bulk of which still hasn’t been completed.
Shortly after that transaction was arranged, Trump visited Saudi Arabia. And soon after that, the Saudis announced they would invest $20 billion in an infrastructure fund managed by Blackstone Group LP. The New York-based firm had financed several of the Kushner family’s deals and its chairman, Stephen Schwarzman, sat on the president’s business-advisory council. The private equity firm told Bloomberg News that the Saudi investment had been contemplated long before Trump was even the Republican nominee.
Kushner’s forays alarmed members of the intelligence and national security communities, as Bob Woodward outlined in his book, “Fear.” At the very moment Kushner was throwing himself into these diplomatic adventures, he was coming under scrutiny for his own financial conflicts – in particular, his efforts to secure funding for 666 Fifth Avenue, a troubled Manhattan skyscraper his family owned.
Edited from: “Trump And Kushner Put Saudi Money First”
BLOOMBERG, 10/17/18
LINK TO ABOVE STORY
A basic google search reveals numerous articles about Trump-Kushner conflicts regarding the Saudis. Kushner’s need to unload 666 Fifth Avenue is well-documented.
The Kushner family had greatly overpaid for the 1950’s skyscraper which they had hoped to tear-down because its plot of land was thought to be incredibly valuable.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-10-17/trump-and-kushner-put-saudi-arabia-s-money-ahead-of-khashoggi
Actually, Trump is putting national security and Americans up front while Peter demonstrates how he hates Trump more than he loves America.
Bloomberg has suffered a decline in quality since the staff there obsess over Trump.
Their sensationalistic misreporting on the Florida massage facility phenomenon demonstrates it too.
Kurtz, you can google up this story from any number of sources. The Kushner conflict in particular is well-documented.
Peter, we all have some form of conflict no matter what we do. Even you have conflicts of interest and likely wherever you work you have conflicts there as well.
Alan, Kushner has serious trouble getting a White House Security Clearance. That issue, in fact, is still a controversy. It should tell you something.
I don’t know if Kushner should be given clearance or not. I don’t have the information but that doesn’t mean I trust the process especially now when it seems our FBI is linked to illegally trying to use the 25th amendment. The only questions of concern for me at the present are did they go far enough to be indicted and is there enough proof? With that type of behaviour I don’t trust the system so since I don’t have to make a decision and have no access to reliable facts I won’t even bother with taking a side even though I think a lot of political activity is affecting the process.
SAUDI’S PRESUME TO BE PROTECTORS OF WORLD MUSLIMS
BUT PRINCE MAKES EXCEPTION FOR CHINESE UIGHURS
IN EXCHANGE FOR CHINESE SILENCE ON KHASHOGGI MURDER
Riyadh has remained silent over China’s treatment of Uighurs and other mostly Muslim minorities in the far-western region of Xinjiang. That’s despite the ruling Al Saud family’s image of itself as the defender of Muslims across the world and protector of Islam’s two holiest shrines.
Up to one million Uighurs and other minorities are being held in internment camps in Xinjiang as part of a draconian and anti-separatist campaign, according to estimates cited by a UN panel.
Activists slammed MBS’ stand, with Miqdaad Versi, spokesperson for Britain’s Muslim Council, calling the remarks “disgusting” and a defence of “the use of concentration camps against Uighur Muslims”.
The World Uyghur Congress, a Germany-based advocacy group, said MBS’ failure to raise the issue of the Uighur detentions amounted to tacit support for “China’s gross rights violations”.
The Saudi crown prince’s visit came five months after the crown prince came under intense pressure in the US and elsewhere following the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. In the US Congress, criticism has also been building for months over the kingdom’s handling of the war in Yemen, where it is accused of causing widespread casualties and suffering among civilians.
China has refrained from faulting Saudi Arabia over issues such as the war or killing of the journalist, in keeping with its long-held tradition of non-interference in other countries’ affairs.
The hush-hush approach reflects how China and Saudi Arabia have grown close over the past decade based on complementary economic interests, said Michael Clarke of Australian National University’s National Security College.
“Basically, in the Saudi case there seem to be very clear incentives for it to not rock the boat in service of the Uighur issue,” Clarke told The Associated Press news agency.
During MBS’ visit to China, Riyadh’s national oil giant Saudi Aramco said it had signed an agreement to form a Saudi-Chinese joint venture, worth more than $10bn, to develop a refining and petrochemical complex in northeastern Liaoning province.
The Saudi Arabian General Investment Authority also announced the signing of 35 non-binding memorandums of understanding, worth $28bn, including deals related to energy, mining, transportation and e-commerce.
China is Saudi Arabia’s largest trading partner.
Edited from: “Saudi Prince Defends China’s Right To Fight Terrorism”
AL JAZEERA, 2/23/19
“BUT PRINCE MAKES EXCEPTION FOR CHINESE UIGHURS IN EXCHANGE FOR CHINESE SILENCE ON KHASHOGGI MURDER”
Take note that most likely this is not part of the article and is conjecture of Peter’s. If that is correct then this is just one more example of deceitful behavior on the part of Peter.
Read down the article and take note that the exception is thought to be due to economic interests developed over the past 10 years. Khashoggi wasn’t killed 10 years ago so as usual Peter has been shown to be ignorant and deceitful.
From the article:
“The hush-hush approach reflects how China and Saudi Arabia have grown close over the past decade based on complementary economic interests, ”
“Basically, in the Saudi case there seem to be very clear incentives for it to not rock the boat in service of the Uighur issue,” Clarke told The Associated Press news agency.
This reflects more badly on the Chinese than it does the Saudis.
But it’s a fair shot to take at them too.
Your headlines is a little inapt, however. It is not well phrased to say “Chinese Uighurs,” as they are Chinese nationals but not Chinese ethnics. They are Uighurs. They are a Turkic tribe who reside mostly in the Western state of Xinjiang.
In China, Muslims are generically called Hui Min. Pronounced “whey mean” There is a very small minority of ethnic Han Chinese Muslims, scattered around the country various places, but that is not who is in question with respect to Xinjiang. In Xinjiang the population is very heavily Uighur and thus also majority Muslim. It is safe to say that Han Chinese have a complicated and not entirely friendly history with their Uighur neighbors to the West. Presently the PRC government is not only accused of mass incarceration of Uighur men for no good cause, but also, a general policy of Sinicization of the culture there via various programs and policies.
Turkey, not surprisingly, has spoken up about this issue. Al Jazeera has some articles on that too.
I have heard ZERO on it from Democrats in the USA who are beholden to Chinese with heavy PRC ties for donations, and, in some places, maybe subject to PRC vote-influencing operations, such as in Queens, which sent radical AOC to Congress. Only Marco Rubio has mentioned the ethnic oppression of Uighurs in Xinjiang, as far as I know.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang#Vital_statistics
Kurtz, there have been simmering rebellions in Silicon Valley regarding technology sales to China that might be used for repression. Just last week a faction of Microsoft employees published a letter expressing unease with certain sales to China.
well they will be rebellions because Silicon Valley can’t help the Chicoms surveil them fast enough. Google for example. Lots of info out there on this.
Hey Peter, guess who is on top of that issue for well over a couple years now?
Your favorite alternative media broadcaster, Alex Jones
Well that’s encouraging, Kurtz. I guess I should follow Alex Jones. Not.
In Xinjiang the population is very heavily Uighur and thus also majority Muslim.
A small portion of the province is majority Kazakh. A much larger part is majority Uighur. Another portion is majority Han Chinese.
So, is extrajudicial killing always bad? One American targeted by the Central Intelligence Agency was Anwar al-Awlaki, who was born in New Mexico. In what way was this different? Who gets the authority to judge whether an extrajudicial killing is justified?
One American targeted by the Central Intelligence Agency was Anwar al-Awlaki, who was born in New Mexico.
Yeah, and he should have stayed in New Mexico and eschewed affiliations with violent partisan organizations if he wanted his carcass in one piece and performing metabolic processes. This isn’t that difficult.
“Who gets the authority to judge whether an extrajudicial killing is justified?”
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By law, the President.
“despite the death of a U.S.-based journalist”
Despite Professor Turley’s continuing lamentations Khashoggi was not a U.S. based jounalist. He wasn’t even much of a journalist. He was more of a paid Qatari intelligence asset involved in the Saudi’s dispute with Saudi Arabia. Much of his research and some of his writing (including his last story that might have been ghostridden) was researched and enhanced by Qatari sources.
He was not a Thomas Jefferson that some liken him to. He was hard core Muslim Brotherhood sympathizing with al Qaeda and befriending Osama bin Laden. He was an anti-Semite and critical of Saudi Arabia’s ongoing discussions with Israel. Based on that and other things known of Khashoggi one could easily say he was against American foreign policy in the Middle East.
These despotic dictatorships kill people all the time and that includes Turkey. It seems that Turkey used this killing for their own advantage wishing to cause American-Saudi cooperation harm. To Turkey Khashoggi was probably more of an advantage dead than alive.
The Washington Post has gradually moved in the direction of my posting but they are willing to say anything to injure the President’s policies. I don’t know why the professor wishes to prolong his lamentations over Khashogghi’s death.
These despotic dictatorships kill people all the time and that includes Turkey.
Once upon a time I was a member of Amnesty International. You’d periodically get these appeals to write someone or call someone about some person. There’s nothing wrong with that per se. It occurred to men that Amnesty’s operational model tended to focus attention on governments which were abusive on the retail level. (One case I can recall was in Morocco and another in pre-Erdogan Turkey). There’s nothing wrong with that if they acknowledge the limits of their model. In later years, Amnesty seemed to go off the rails, relying on fundraising from dim entertainment-industry virtue signalers and signing on to stupid causes. (Wesley Cook, aka Mumia Abu Jamal, was declared a ‘prisoner of conscience’ in 2000; I think they retracted this judgment later, but it was an indicator of how poisoned their institutional culture was by that point). Looking back, I’ve come to the conclusion that Wm. Rusher was right: Amnesty was alsways kind of a poseur organization, and their institutional stance was derived from wanting to put retail violations in miscellaneous countries on a par with wholesale violations in the East Bloc. (Rusher noted that their research director at one point was a man who’d belonged to the Australian Communist Party).
Of course it’s not that way. Some countries experience a great deal of violence because they are failed states. Others do so in the course of counter-partisan warfare. But for others, terror and violence are the modus operandi; the entire population is imprisoned even if they’re not subject to butchery. There’s a qualitative difference between that and occasional state violence in an authoritarian system, and you shouldn’t confuse the two.
TIAx2:
“Wm. Rusher was right: Amnesty was alsways kind of a poseur organization, and their institutional stance was derived from wanting to put retail violations in miscellaneous countries on a par with wholesale violations in the East Bloc.”
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It’s a difference in frequency not kind yet it is a real difference. Wanna hold every ally to a moral litmus test over every offense to our brand of morality? How then do we judge Britain (Tommy Robinson) or Israel (troops live firing on protestors)? Sever every relationship because we disagree with their morality in one instance while ignoring the overwhelming congruence of values elsewhere in the relationship? What kind of adolescent relationship logic is that?
Allan, you’re just rationalizing murder here in support of Donald Trump’s indifference. Again, if Jeb Bush was president you wouldn’t be writing this. It just goes to show how Trump has dumbed-people-down.
Jarod Kushner has a conflict of interest here. Saudi investors have taken a stake in a property that was threatening the Kushner family business.
Okay Peter give us your solution to handling the issue. I’ve given you some options above — or conjure up your own! I’m all ears.
Mespo, the current Saudi Prince is the main issue here. MSB, as he is known, became ‘Crown Prince’ through “Game Of Thrones”-like jockeying that involved a bro-mance with Jarod Kushner.
Furthermore, Saudi Arabia is arguably America’s most dubious ‘friend’. For the past 30 years, Saudi money has funded Muslim extremists across the world. Pakistan, for instance, has been totally radicalized by Saudi funds.
It’s hard to see where Saudi Arabia is any ‘less’ of a threat than Iran. To contrary Iran is arguably less of threat than Saudi Arabia.
Peter H:
Okay, all givens … and your solution to the problem is ?
I dont know which is worse. obviously Saudis are US strategic allies. On balance I would say Iran is far more like the West, in terms of civil society. But it is aligned with Russia…
But here’s one folks may have missed:
Saudi claims they have had the bomb for years
the bomb…. they prolly bought a few from the Pakis
not a comforting thought!
“Allan, you’re just rationalizing murder here in support of Donald Trump’s indifference.”
Of course I am rationalizing, if you wish to call it that, but I am rationalizing with logic and fact something you seem to be unable to do. Additionally we can’t compromise our nations well being every time a despotic leader kills one if its own. I also believe our national security is more important than a hateful anti-American supporter of terrorism.
I couldn’t care if it were Jeb Bush or Obama. My viewpoint would be the same. You, a person without principles, can’t believe that another will uphold his own principles based on support for an individual. I don’t care about Jared Kushner’s business. I care about America.
Peter, I understand that you hate Trump more than you love America. That is part of your creed.
The US amity with Saudi goes waaaay back surely you know this Peter
One might speculate it has a genesis in British support of Saudis to undermine the Turkish Empire in WW1. There’s a movie about that you might have seen?
If you are not familiar with this you might start here
https://www.amazon.com/Arabists-American-Robert-D-Kaplan/dp/0028740238
Gruesome business. However, reasons of state may dictate we let it slide. This fellow Khashoggi was a political participant, not Joe Blow off the sidewalks of Jiddah. Politics in the Near East is played for keeps from time to time. And, whenever you run from somewhere, you run to somewhere, and you have to ask whether or not that’s better or worse than where you have been. See the history of Iran, 1977-81.
“This fellow Khashoggi was a political participant”
DSS, I don’t understand how Professor Turley fails to see this.
He does but he’s a lawyer professor and so he has to kowtow to the whole human rights thing.
I am all in favor of individual rights, civil rights, national rights, legal rights, but i still am not clear on exactly what makes a “Human Right” …. i must be dumb i guess!
I agree wholeheartedly with mespo727272: This world is not butterflies and roses, sometimes you need to choose the lesser of several evils. Just ask FDR and Churchill. It’s very easy to stand on principle, but sometimes doing so is just stupid and futile.
The fundamental principle is always self-preservation though it’s impolitic to say it.
Mr. Turley, please, please stop refering to the disgusting Khashoggi as a “jounalist”. He was nothing of the sort. He was a paid political operative for whatever cause could best feather his nest. He met his demise as a result of those activities not as some pie in the sky “crusading journalist”. His name appeared in the Washington Post in a byline but I doubt he “wrote” those articles. The Post and Bezos paid to use his name to further their political goals. Sure it was evil that he was murdered and in such an apparently cruel manner, but in those circles it happens every day. Something about “when you play with fire……” !
The world super-power can and did take control of Iraqi oil, Libyan oil, Syrian oil, and is about to take control of Venezuelan oil and Iranian oil. The US can just as easily take full control and all the profits from Saudi oil. MbS has proven that he is no better than, and in fact, is morally much worse than the falsely demonized leaders of the other oil rich regions. Why are the Saudi’s treated differently than Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, Assad, Maduro, and Iranian leaders???
The world super-power can and did take control of Iraqi oil, Libyan oil, Syrian oil, and is about to take control of Venezuelan oil and Iranian oil.
There is no Syrian oil, nor is anyone about to ‘take control of Venezuelan or Iranian oil, nor did they take control of Iraqi or Libyan oil. And, you could never make a business case for going to war in any of these places. The numbers just don’t work. You are in pursuit of non-economic political goals or you do nothing.
You never tire of talking out of your a** and libeling people. Your mother ought to take your computer away from you.
Samantha has gone into the Twilight Zone again.
And what is the exact contexualized definition of “hold him accountable” for the as yet unajudicated charge of murder of a foreign “journalist” in a foreign country over which we have no legal jurisdiction? Sanctions which harm American business interests, military attack which makes no sense and punishes the Saudi people, hauling him before some International tribunal which makes you look impotent since it’s voluntary jurisdiction, public condemnation which is less that doing nothing or doing exactly what Trump is doing?
Problems are easy to define; they’re harder to solve.
The Family of, or the Orange Pumpkin, himself, are NOT going to do anything that would stop money going into their coffers. EVER….money rules…..for that lot. So, forget them, ever taking a stand against any
bizarre or unseemly actions. Including murder.
Guniess:
Gee, money’s important to everybody and every every country. Now maybe you’ll enlighten us that water is wet.
money rules not just for them but pretty much everyone. like it or not. including the vaunted defenders of whomever, the Democrats!
perhaps you have heard of the golden rule?
he who has the gold, makes the rules! lol
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/01/11/has-gold/
Royalty and Presidents — the ruling class — are judged only by their peers — other members of the ruling class.
“Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, has a close relationship with the Crown Prince.” Jared has a close relationship with an individual known to have ordered murder.
The punishment for denying (the Muslim) God is death.”The death penalty can be imposed for a wide range of offences[21] including murder, rape, armed robbery, repeated drug use, apostasy,[22] adultery,[23] witchcraft and sorcery[24] and can be carried out by beheading with a sword,[22]” (Wiki)
As near as I can tell no one has been put to death for witchcraft since 2009 — almost a whole decade.
Ever since the modern US–Saudi relationship began in 1945, the United States has been willing to overlook many of the kingdom’s more controversial aspects as long as it kept the oil flowing and supported U.S. national security policies.[2] (Wiki)
Now, the Crown Prince is doing a world tour and assembling fawning leaders to show that he is effectively immune from such quaint notions as murdering journalists. — Turley
“I have previously expressed my outrage at the position of the Trump Administration in failing to hold Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman accountable in the murder of Washington Post journalist Jamal *****hoggi”
Prof T, is it your position that we as a society have falling so low as to accept “Post Birth Abortion” AKA 1st Degree Murder of Children, as many states are now legalizing?
Was it just SA’s MBS commenting a Post Birth Abortion Copy our USA?
It’s no secret that those who approve of dropping freedom bombs on cities with pregnant women, children, adults, and elderly folks, and who approve of door to door death squads, and who enjoy killing animals for sport, seem to try to balance their guilt over enjoyment of killing by adamantly and forcefully opposing the removal of a few adverse fetal cells.
“opposing the removal of a few adverse fetal cells.”
So you, Samantha, are part of the crowd that believes pregnancy is an illness and the fetus is a cancerous growth.
Disgusting and who does that sound like?