After she was disciplined by ESPN for repeatedly violating the its social media rules by attacking President Donald Trump as a “white supremacist”, Jemele Hill was picked up by The Atlantic as its new columnist. In their first column, Hill is continuing her controversial record with a piece calling on black athletes to leave predominantly white colleges and universities despite such schools offering enhanced opportunities and free educations to many players. Thus, players like Michael Jordan (shown here in his signature style from high school) who went to schools like North Carolina are not models for younger athletes but cautionary tales.
Hill announced her first column entitled “It’s Time for Black Athletes to Leave White Colleges,” and said she was “very proud that my first magazine piece for @TheAtlantic” and that she has “been working on it for some time.”
In her column, Hill argues for black athletes to go to Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) rather than bringing in revenue for “money and attention to the predominantly white universities that showcase them.”
For those who want greater not less diversity in education, it is a call that not only would deny athletes benefits from these academic and athletic programs but reverse gains from desegregation.
Hill’s race-based rule apparently does not apply to non-athletes. She graduated from Michigan State University which is not only predominantly white (67 percent) but has only seven percent African Americans.
Jay-Z says it all in this video with 97.8 million views & 66.3K comments
“If all earthly power were given me,” said Lincoln in a speech delivered in Peoria, Illinois, on October 16, 1854, “I should not know what to do, as to the existing institution [of slavery]. My first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia, to their own native land.” After acknowledging that this plan’s “sudden execution is impossible,” he asked whether freed blacks should be made “politically and socially our equals?” “My own feelings will not admit of this,” he said, “and [even] if mine would, we well know that those of the great mass of white people will not … We can not, then, make them equals.”
– Abraham “Crazy Abe” Lincoln
Which nation in history has deliberately allowed its invasion and conquest committing national suicide? Answer: None! The American Founders required citizens to be “…free white person(s) in their Naturalization Acts of 1790, 1795, 1798 and 1802. The Founders cleared the land of Indians to facilitate American expansion and growth. America and Americans are here today because of the profound acts of the Founders. Since Abraham “Crazy Abe” Lincoln’s “Reign of Terror,” foreigners (i.e. enemies) have not only NOT been deported as manifest illegal aliens, but the borders have been erased and enemies allowed to pour into the country and conquer it (i.e. California).
It’s weird.
One would speculate that nations historically tended to defend themselves to the bitter end, not surrender and turnover the keys to the nation and its wealth to its enemies. The “White Man’s Burden” is now the white man’s master. Get your checkbooks out! Somebody pull the fire alarm. Where’s Paul Revere when you need him?
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“We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.”
– Barack Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, Indonesian Citizen and Son of a Foreign Kenyan Citizen
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Oh, You Betcha!!!
Awesome! I step away from the loony bin for a few weeks, and return to find that the same wack-job tom-foolery is still creating the same reliable yuks. You keep on doin’ you, just tell those hoodlums to “get off of my lawn!”
this is to “I traded the green jello to another patient for more internet time” georgie-paulie
She’s an angry, resentful reporter w/ average intelligence. Perfect for social media provocations.
Jemele Hill’s new press agent
Amazing how segregation is experiencing a resurgence in popularity, including black only events, dorms, and graduations.
Which suggests that blacks, as a group, are doing well enough in the U.S. that they no longer need special entitlements. There was a time when blacks wanted to be in white neighborhoods, schools, and so forth, under the assumption that they were superior. Now that blacks apparently believe that their own neighborhoods and schools are equal, or superior to those of whites, significant social and economic progress has clearly taken place. Yes there are poor blacks, as there are poor whites. Not everyone will succeed. But when you have a significant number of professional and educated blacks eschewing anything to do with whites, such entitlements as affirmative action are really no longer necessary.
How does this help the black athlete? Abandon a scholarship to a great school, but leave because of the racial profile of its students? That’s racist. It’s also harmful to black athletes on both an academic and athletic level. The athletes forgo a top notch education for political reasons, plus, if all the athletes crowd into all black schools, they won’t get the same opportunities to play.
This isn’t controversial. It’s racist. It’s sacrificing the opportunities of black athletes for political reasons.
Karen S – A little perspective might help answer your questions. I may be the only one here that played college sports at an HBCU. When I was a freshman at Fisk University (1973-1974) in Nashville. Tennessee State University (also an HBCU although somewhat less of one now after a forced merger with UTN in the late 1970s) was a mile down the road. TSU was undefeated that year with Ed “Too Tall” Jones the NFL’s #1 draft pick. The first few rounds were full of HBCU athletes as had been the case for years. Fisk’s quarterback (J.J. Jones) later played for the Jets, starting several games. a running back went to Seattle. While at Fisk I got to see either at our games or TSU’s, Doug Williams and Sammie White of Grambling, John Stallworth of Alabama A&M, Joe Gilliam of TSU and later the Pittsburgh Steelers. In basketball, I played against Truck Robinson who later led the NBA in rebounding, a couple of the Jones brothers (Major and Charlie) who later played in the NBA, and was invited to Dave Bing’s basketball camp as a counselor alongside Campy Russell (Michigan), Bill Ligon (Vanderbilt), with featured guests including Lou Hudson and Bob Lanier. Those “great schools” had just started recruiting black players who previously were not permitted to attend the schools or represent their teams. The best path at that time to a professional career for a black athlete was by attending an HBCU, with a far greater likelihood the school actually cared about the student-athlete.
It certainly depends on the school and the coaches but there is plenty of evidence that the Predominantly White Institutions (PWI’s) don’t really give a damn about those black athletes beyond what they are able to produce on the field/court. It amazes me that the academic scandals at North Carolina with fake classes, prostitutes at Louisville, and recruiting scandals everywhere are just considered a fact of life and barely news. The percentage of athletes recruited by major colleges that actually go on to play pro sports is astoundingly low. These students in many cases are barely getting an education which isn’t all their fault.
At Fisk, I was required to take two semesters of math to graduate. In placement tests, I was put into Algebra-Trigonometry my first-semester leaving Calculus as the other math class I could take to graduate. Try taking calculus while missing class once or twice a week while on road trips. My instructor once said, “Mr. Spivey, that answer was like a jump shot that rolled around the rim a few times before rolling off. You were oh so close.” I withdrew from the class and took it again during a semester with less class missed due to basketball.
Most black kids at white schools aren’t getting a top-notch education. Many are being steered into easy courses and a dreadful percentage never come close to graduating. If top tier athletes attended HBCUs in the same numbers as they once did. They would lose nothing in terms of chances to play pro sports and be surrounded by people who cared more about them personally in most cases. I don’t think it would happen, but if it did I wouldn’t be mad.
As far as opportunities to play, there’s a far greater chance a freshman would play and even start at an HBCU than say an Alabama, Clemson, or Ohio State where they might not even be listed on the depth chart.
Enigma, thank you for sharing your story.
at university, I was just anther nobody, of the lowest sort, the white male heterosexual. just like now.
And as a run of the mill spoiled young ‘wood, I was shocked, offended, at my “PWI” predominantly white institution and how it rolled out the red carpet in every shameless way. How promising black male athletes in bball and football got tons of tutoring help including flat out doing homework for them, sometimes cheating “or so we heard” and yes lots of Pxxy thrown at them by those very tutors, helmet washers, trainers etc. scandalous it would have been, except, nobody dared report on it.
if “METOO” had been a thing back then, you could have had a long “train” so to speak, “running”outside the press office with girls tattling on them. Instead, they mostly confined it back then, to bragging. the title IX offices and investigations were not much back then. there was a law in 72 but not much on the radar until many decades long after. anyhow, no names mentioned by me, publicly, ever, not here or anywhere else. not schools and not athletes, and not their “jock sniffers” either. nor the lawyers that squared away the problems that came up. maybe all the things i heard, people were just making up to talk big, for all I know.
but the sports revenues are huge so what can be expected?
for my part i had very little sympathy as just another young dumb and full of ### white boy non-scholarship full tuition paying “child of privilege” who took it all in from the sidelines, often a wee bit jealous’ I can admit, however ignoble that is. Who wouldn’t be jealous of all the free commissary, the free gear, the free “companionship,” the pocket money that maybe people found under a sofa, surprisingly often., yes, not much sympathy for their “plight” but they were hard workers, that much I would grant. I did have a little sympathy with them is when they got hurt. because yeah, then the hopes of going pro could fade away very quickly. ok well i also feel bad when i see them washed up years later taking pointless jobs in the AD to keep them out of trouble. kind of like an old boxers shaking hands at the casino. but, that doesnt always work, however. bad character has a way of revealing itself eventually, over the efforts of those who try and keep it under a bushel.
I could share some ways about how naughty things dont emerge, oftentimes, but it comes down to the usual, money in, money out, lawyers, and FAKE NEWS
mostly people understand how it works these days courtesy of things like metoo which for all its latent man hating context, has been good at educating the public on the inside operations of “fixers”
Mr Kurtz – as a former tutor for athletes at ASU I can assure you that it is illegal for someone to do their homework for them. We tutored, we corrected papers. They had to write them. They had to take the tests. I set up special study sessions for finals, etc.
The average athlete during their sport semester is taking a minimum of 12 semester hours and putting in the equivalent of a 40 hour work week. The restrictions on the student-athletes are insane. As tutors we had to sign a contract listing the various infractions we would turn them in for.
I was by no means a highly recruited high school athlete. I went to high school two blocks from the University of Minnesota who had a highly ranked basketball team at the time, competing with Indiana and Ohio State for the Big Ten title. I loved the Gophers, we’d sneak into Williams Arena after our games ended to catch the end of their games. I was recruited by a couple small white schools (I remember the University of Minnesota-Morris) and was taken to parties and promised the ready availability of weed and women. I went to Nashvile and Fisk, thinking my athletic career over until I was spotted in the gym and found I was as fundamendally sound as the best of them (Thanks Coach Ed) and 6’6″ which worked well at a school of 2,000 students with a ratio of women to men of 8:1. Funny thing, I returned to Minneapolis for a weekend after a month, fairly homesick. My friends were doing the exact same thing as they were doing when I left; hanging out at the park, playing cards, chasing girls. My homesickness evaporated and I was happy to go back and surround myself with people that had purpose for their lives. While in Minneapolis, I bumped into the freshman coach for the University of Minnesota who offered me a scholarship to U of M if I wanted it. I’d been in college a month already but the “U” didn’t start classes untol late September. Maybe someone they really wanted went somewhere else? If I’d gotten that offer before going to Fisk I’d have jumped at it. I’m glad to have missed that opportunity.
Enigma – you spoke of your old friends not doing anything different. Anthony Robbins said something along the lines of, surround yourself with people who have similar goals. if your group of friends aren’t going anywhere, you probably won’t, either. They won’t mean to get in your way, but they’ll pressure you to hang out instead of study or work extra hours. Before you know it, you’ll lose sight of your goals and go nowhere, too.
But if you surround yourself with people who are also working for something better, then the pressure that you’ll feel is to improve yourself, too. It will be more of a supportive dynamic.
Because of Facebook I’m now in touch with those guys I once left behind. They encouraged me to go to college and get an education. Some of them got it together after a while. One became a drug dealer and died under circumstances I never heard the details of. That’s life I guess.
I’m sorry about your friend.
I’m sure your friends are happy that you got an education. That wasn’t the point.
Let’s say that a group of teenagers graduate high school in 2019. They all like to smoke pot, play video games on their parents’ couch, and go out to parties all the time. One of them wants to go to college. That’s great, they say. Every time they call him up, he says he has to study. Come on, you never get to see us. Take a break. Try this weed. Go to this party tonight. This chick is totally into you.
They wouldn’t mean to stand in his way. They want him to do well. But they keep encouraging him to stop studying and hang out. When he looks around, he sees his peers having fun, while he’s working. People, being social creatures, often emulate their peers.
Compare this to someone who leaves those friends to go to school out of state. He lives in a dorm, and hangs out most often with his pre med study group. The workload is grueling. He spends most of his time in the library, or studying with his headphones on in a cafe. He sees everyone around him buckling down, with goals. He feels encouraged to buckle down and work hard, too. It’s not the skin color that matters most to him, it’s what they’re doing. They inspire, encourage, and support each other. He’s still friends with the guys back home, and sees them on break. When they see him graduated, and accepted into medical school, some of his friends are inspired to do something with their lives, too.
We see this in the behavior of the exact same students in their AP classes, and regular classes. In AP, everyone is engaged, and if you know the answer, you raise your hand. If you take a regular class, at some point, you don’t want to be the only one raising your hand every single time. At some point, you stop raising your hand for a while. Feel like a nerd. Get teased for being a know it all.
https://enigmainblack.wordpress.com/2016/11/22/coach-ed/
I can’t tell if that was a plea for sympathy and alms or a declaration of competence and independence. I’m hoping it was the latter and that we can finally abolish “Generational Welfare,” “Affirmative Action Privilege,” quotas, welfare, food stamps, rent control, social services, forced busing, minimum wage, utility subsidies, WIC, TANF, HAMP, HARP, Dept.’s of Agriculture, Commerce, Education, Labor, Energy, Obamacare, Obamaphones, Social Security, Social Security Disability, Social Security Supplemental Income, Medicare, Medicaid, “Fair Housing” laws, “Non-Discrimination” laws, etc., etc., etc.
Reparations are deserved and due. Reparations are due to the taxpayers who have had their money stolen by communists in America (i.e. liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats) to support parasites who refused to accomplish any form of self-reliance and an “Exodus” as the Israelites did when they struggled to make their own way to “the promised land” so they could “pursue happiness” and live honorably and independently. Who needs to be told that what’s important is the journey, not the destination and that happiness comes from self-sufficiency, self-esteem and personal/national accomplishment.
The Israelites were out of Egypt before the ink was dry on their release papers. They weren’t going to wait around for alms, welfare and every other conceivable form of “free stuff” from other people’s money.
This guy and is ilk truly believe that they are the only people in the history of man who have had to struggle for for survival or a modicum of success. Obsessive self pity as a tactic for success. Sounds mean.
Funny thing, it’s working on this group of bleeding heart liberals.
“There’s a sucker born every minute.”
– P.T. Barnum
Those search engines really got a workout today. 😊
Cindy Bragg – there were about 5 of us who knew what an HBCU was without looking it up. And enigma may be right about being the only one on the blog to play BB at one. Although we do have other contenders. 😉
LOL, Paul C
An old enough sports fan would know the names without Google. A younger fan woud go, “huh?”
enigmat……….you missed the point, Sherlock
I’m sure I missed your point, not on the same wavelength.
enigma…. It’s difficult to copy and paste a wavelength, but if anyone can do it, I know my little enigmatic bantu can.
” who can take a sunrise, sprinkle it with dew………..?” 😉
Enigma – thanks for sharing your college sports experience. It sounds pretty cool.
Is your position that black athletes get more academic help at HBCUs, or that the school cares more about them than as just players?
It is my understanding that a common complaint of athletic programs across the country is twofold – students who get in on athletic scholarships are not prepared for rigorous study, so of course they are going to go into less challenging majors than chemical engineering or physics. Also, any athlete’s worth to the school is primarily as an asset to their sports program. That is true regardless of race.
Now, granted, many coaches are devoted to their players, and keep up on them about academics and staying out of trouble. I was friends with a prominent baseball coach who cared a great deal about his players, and keeps up with them. There are faceless administrators and the Board of Trustees, and then there are those who actually interact with the players.
I think one of the difficulties is a lack of academic college prep. When I attended college, one of my professors lamented to me that he had to teach the same class to essentially two different audiences in the lecture hall. Those who got there by merit and rigorous study, and those who were hopelessly lost. He was referring to Affirmative Action, but athletes who got in on athletic scholarships with a bit more shaky academics. There were a few players in the science classes, but it was rare.
You offered perspective about your own experience, but I’m not clear about how your HBCU cared more about you than any other school. I had thought that you stated previously that you did not have fun playing college sports, because you felt trapped. In what way do you feel your education at an HBCU was superior to what it would have been at any other school, and why do you feel your education would have fared worse?
In my own experience, going to a university was totally different than high school. It was a large campus, and we were all expected to be self sufficient. No one woke us up and told us to get to class. No one followed up on our homework. Students either went to class, studied, and did well, or they dropped out. I had to make an effort to make office hours of the teaching assistant or professor. In fact, our professors were chosen for their academic reputation and for what they’d published, rather than for teaching ability. I had professors who had strong accents and chicken scratch handwriting. If you needed help on a topic, you had to exert yourself to utilize resources. I don’t know if that’s the case at an HBCU.
I think that how much individual attention you get depends upon the school. I went to a large school, and was one little fish swimming among many. Some of my friends went to very small schools, and they had much smaller class sizes, and a more small community atmosphere with professors and fellow students.
If someone wants individual attention, they should choose a reputable small school. The emphasis should be on the academics, not on what color everyone is.
I do not understand this trend for black people to clamor for segregation. I think MLK, Jr must be spinning in his grave. The activists, politicians, and academics hyper focuse on race to the extent that students now want black dorms, black graduations, black clubs… It wasn’t like that at all when I went to school. Everyone just hung out with everyone.
I heard a Youtube video from…I think Brandon Tatum. He said that he was raised to believe that white people didn’t like him, and that’s what he believed until he went to college in Texas. He was shocked to discover his fellow white students didn’t have a problem with him at all. He’d been sold a bill of goods by people looking to get something – politicians wanted votes, activists wanted paying jobs and relevance. They all made hay out of convincing black people that a majority of white people don’t like them. It’s total bull. People like people they can get along with and can talk to. There are still racists out there and always will be. There’s no way to force mass acceptance of any particular view that wouldn’t violate all sorts of human rights. But the majority of people in the US are not racist.
Race says almost nothing about someone – politics, religion, are they articulate, taste in art and music, interests, sports teams, taste in clothes, do they love animals…The things that really matter about someone, and whether one would want to be friends with them, are deeper than the skin.
Karen S. – Quite the range of subjects to broach, Starting with the suggestion that athletes are not prepared for rigorous study, I have seen little evidence of that personally. Not that there’s no such thing as a dumb jock. I just don’t think dumb people ae overrepresented among athletes. They tend to get weeded out as dumb people do. Many never meet initial college entrance requirements nor can maintain the GPA required to keep playing sports. Athletes at HBCUs were never the “one and done” players that played one year of varsity sports and went on to the NBA. In the heydey of HBCU athletics the rules were different and you mostly have to wait until your class graduated to play any sport besides baseball or golf. It may be true some athletes get guided into programs that are less challenging but I think that is true more at the white schools than the HBCUs.
HBCUs do care more about the students in my opinion. The white schools literally didn’t want them until the government finally said they must accept some. HBCUs know their legacy and history and part of their mission is to develop leaders and instill character. The thought MLK (a Morehouse graduate) would reject HBCUs is ludicrous on its face. As a general rule, no offense intended, when white people try to tell black people what MLK would think, they usually get it wrong. MLK said, “a riot is the language of the unheard” which doesn’t fit into most white people’s understanding of the man. He advocated non-violence but understood where it came from. He was all for the HBCUs who often supported those who white people (generalizing I know) had no use for. Muhammed Ali survived during his years in exile by speaking on black college campuses. Artists, writers, and entertainers were supported by HBCUs. They are the primary feeder system for black doctors, lawyers, and educators and even today most black doctors are graduates of Meharry Medical School (across the street from Fisk) and Howard Medical School.
Like any college, nobody wakes you up and makes you go to class but if you miss a few classes, the instructor might just send for you. At my school we had smaller class sizes generally so things were already more personal yet even at Howard, Florida A&M, and some of the larger schools, people care about you as a person more than what my friends who attended white institutions experienced. Athletes at some large schools have people whose job it is to help them as long as they toe the line. Let them fail to produce and see what happens. I have a friend who just wasn’t a great basketball player that lost his scholarship. They found him a golf scholarship so that he could finish school. That doesn’t happen just anywhere.
I have related that during my time in college, basketball went from being a passion to a job. My feelings about the college I attented have never waned. Attending Fisk was the best decision I ever made. Playing basketball gave me the opportunity to visit over 30 different HBCUs and there is a common experience that I could never explain to you.
In my opinion, the continued existence of HBCUs is an inconvenient reminder of Amreica’s history. These schools only existed because white people didn’t want black people in their colleges and universities. Almost all of them are underfunded. State schools are dependent on Boards of Regents and Governors to give them what they are willing as opposed to what they deserve. I keep track of how Florida funds its public HBCUs as opposed to the University of Florida and FSU and it’s shameful by whatever measure; per capita spending or anything else yu can imagine. The same is true everywhere. Originally, many of the HBCUs were land grant schools intended to fund black colleges until white schools figured out the system and got most of the money.
HBCUs are fighting for accreditation regularly, not because of the quality of their product but based on arbitrary changing figures like percentage of alumni donors. The truth is that the best and the brightest black undergraduates are still produced by HBCUs (although white and other students are not excluded and do attend HBCUs).
You have anecdotal stories like the one man who said he was taught all whites hated him. That may well be his experience but I don’t think its a common belief. I hear from a variety of sources (including this blog) that almost no one is racist. I listened to a black man on Fox News the other day responding to a newspaper editorial saying, “Unless you are a hood wearing, card carrying member of a hate group… you’re not racist.” I’m 100% sure that’s not right either.
I generally am slow to know whether someone is racist or not but I can figure out a racist effect of a policy. I know that voter suppression is racist, I know that stop & frisk is racist, I know that marking a rental application with the letter “C” for colored and denying them the ability to rent is racist.
What city did you grow up in that people just hung out with everyone? It perhaps wasn’t one of the Southern cities that still maintained separate promes until the last few years. I grew up in Minneapolis, My high school was about 15% black, my church across town 99% black, my basketball teal about 30% black, my track team about 50% black, baseball team about 20% black, the hockey team 100% white but I did attend some games to cheer for my friends. I had maybe ten different clicques with ranging ethnicities. There’s a clicque I belong to now, Graduates of HBCUs. It’s one of the first questions asked when meeting, “Where did you go to school?” What you thing is self-segregation is merely bonding. My campus was two blocks from a fairly rough neighborhood yet I never felt unsafe. Of course my fellow students weren’t hanging nooses or burning crosses as has happened recently at white schools.
The HBCU experience is one I could probably make you understand. Some of today’s black youth don’t understand it or simply choose differently. What shouldn’t happen is that they be forced to disappear becaue they are a inconvenient reminder of our country’s racist past.
Thanks for that.
enigma – I am somewhat offended by your use of the term “white schools” since the only really segregated schools are the HBCU (although some are taking white students [tokenism]). Blacks are a small portion of the population and educated blacks an even smaller portion. I have seen recruited black athletes have to sit out one or two semesters to get their SAT scores up to qualify for the NCAA. This does not generally happen with other races that I noticed. However, my data is anecdotal, so take it for what it is worth. My school is one of the biggest in the nation, however, they got freaked out over a poster of Nick Sandmann. Just a poster, no words. Just his face. The Diversity Office had vapors like not seen since the Civil War. Still, they have not had a noose.
But let’s talk about the racism on a HBCU campus. There is a line between how dark or how light you are when you are black. In fact, that racism extends beyond the campus. I had a black friend who could not get hired in LA after the Watts Riots because he was too light skinned. Not light enough to pass, just too light for the people doing the hiring. They wanted to hire someone like Paul Silas who is ink-jet black. Paul was smart enough to get out of Watts and a really sweet guy, and way too smart to go back.
And let’s talk about the biggest clique of them all: The Seven Sisters. Aren’t they fun. 🙂 Ran into their convention in Vegas. Actually, sweet people who taught me a lot about their various organizations. 😉
Paul – I wouldn’t be offended at all if you referred to HBCU’s as black schools. It’s what they predominantly are and if I said white schools instead of Predominantly White Institutions, it’s pretty much the same thing. If “your school” is ASU. I spent a few weeks on campus, mostly at the old Sun Devil Stadiu, premaring first for the National Championship Game (Florida & Nebraska) and then the Superbowl a couple weeks later. Even got my picture on the front page of the Phoenix paper almost getting blown away setting up a tent during a dust storm. I formed no opinion about the place. All the people I interfaced with were Superbowl regulars, CSC security people from around the country. my fellow merchandising people from various venues that I only saw once or twice a year. Anyways, I’m sure there are dumb athletes who had to get special tutoring to get into college. They didn’t end up at HBCUs, only PWI’s that had the money and patience so they could use up their bodies at a later date.
As far as “colorism,” that’s a holdover from slavery and different people have different experiences with it. My teammate, Matthew Knowles (father of Beyonce) whote a book on colorism where he whined about his experiences in college. I’m just a couple shedes lighter than he and didn’t experience any of the things he claimed. The ratio of women to men was like 8:1 and nobody at all, especially an athlete in a fraternity which he was had any problem getting women. If when he left school he could only date women who were nearly white as he described. that wasn’t a problem he picked up at Fisk. He got it elsewhere. I suspect I have more experience than you about both colorism and HBCUs and would suggest it isn’t nearly the problem you think.
I had to look up the Seven Sisters, I relate better to the Divine Nine which you’ll probably have to look up.
Enigma:
There is a difference between uneducated and unintelligent. They do not mean the same thing. I don’t think athletes are dumb. It is true, however, that there are two scholarship tracks – academic, and other. The other could be athletics, or special interest scholarships. Many universities will accept students on athletic scholarships whom would not be competitive if they had applied otherwise. They still have to meet academic requirements to stay in school and to play.
An athlete could have lower grades for a variety of reasons. It seems to be normalized now for parents to put school secondary to travel sports. Very few kids are going to be professional athletes, yet it’s the cool thing now for kids to play travel ball and soccer, with long, grueling practices, and lots of away games. School seems to come second to these parents. Some of the people I know who homeschool their kids do so because their kids play sports, one of them equestrian. These are all bright kids, but school is not a priority. To be fair, I also know people who homeschool because they are devoted to their children’s education, and their kids are taking college classes in high school.
“HBCUs do care more about the students in my opinion. The white schools literally didn’t want them until the government finally said they must accept some.” You are comparing two different eras, I think. You say that HBCUs do care more, and talk about “white schools'” past reluctance to accept minorities. That was decades ago. Minorities now get preferential admissions in many top schools, unless they are Asians, who are discriminated against for being high achievers. Go figure.
If you are going to compare schools, I think it should be in the same time period. During the years when racism was common, HCBUs were some of the few opportunities for blacks to get an education, and did great work. It’s now 2019, and there is no bias against blacks based on race in admissions. There is, however, bias against Asians, as their race is counted as a handicap because they are “over-represented” at top schools. It’s un just to obsess over the race of anyone. If Asians get in a lot of top schools based on merit, then they earned it.
I think you misunderstood my point about MLK. I do not think he would reject the idea of HBCUs. Why would he? However, he said that he wanted his children to be judged on the basis of their character. I can’t speak for the dead. I imagine that MLK would not approve of self segregating, as opposed to HBCUs offering opportunities to blacks at a time when few would. After all, he fought against segregation. Why would he be pleased at blacks going from freely mixing, just like everyone else, to going back to black graduations, black dormitories, etc? It’s just my opinion, though. Everyone thinks they know what the famous dead would do, including me.
As for Mohammad Ali, he changed his name from Cassius Clay because he did not know the history of the name. Ironically, he changed his name from an abolitionist who pointed a cannon at the door at a mob of racists, to the name of a slaver. What can you do?
HBCUs shouldn’t close or go out of existence just because racism is now so rare. A lot of schools started for one reason or another, and continue because they are great school. If an HBCU is financially sound and offers a good education, then wonderful. Even better if such an institution was not politicized, but that’s like finding a unicorn today in academics.
University funding, including HBCUs has been a hot topic for years. This is one article that’s relevant. https://www.theedadvocate.org/are-hbcus-under-attack-how-historically-black-colleges-and-universities-can-stay-afloat-in-todays-landscape/
Note that one of the problems with funding is that HBCUs have lower than average graduation rates. Passion and caring matter, but the metrics by which schools are compared are graduation rates, and the marketability of its degrees.
https://www.tmcf.org/tmcf-in-the-news/new-tactics-needed-to-fix-low-hbcu-graduation-rates/9805
“Some stunning statistics as the fall semester begins: The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education surveyed 64 of 100 historically black colleges and universities. Only five of those schools surveyed graduated more than 50 percent of their students.”
What do HBCUs expect? To have a reputation for low graduation rates, which impacts the worth of its degrees, but blames its problems on racism in one of the statistically least racist countries in the world? When your entrance requirements include race, then academics will suffer. When your acceptance requirements are academic merit, then you will have a higher graduation rate.
This brings me to mind of the King Drew Medical Center fiasco. Activists had this wonderful idea to have a mostly black-staffed hospital to severe mostly-black communities. Like skin color matters in medical staff. Since they cared more about skin color than merit, the hospital became infamous for medical malpractice, pharmacy mistakes, and slip and falls. You were taking your life in your hands if you went to King Drew, more than your injury or illness. The most dangerous piece of equipment in the entire facility was the humble chair. So many nurses went on disability because they “fell out of a chair” that the hospital hemorrhaged money. Doctors overfilled to the point that one doctor was found guilty of billing 25 hours in a day. It was warned it was going to lose its accreditation, and eventually, the day came. Community organizers called racism, and rallied demonstrators. No one seemed willing to explain to the community that they could either have a good hospital who hired on merit alone, regardless of race, or they could have a primarily black staffed hospital that cared more about race than merit, but they couldn’t have it both ways. Money just poured out of that place like water.
You should take a moment to read the train wreck that was King Drew, the inevitable result of racial quotas. Merit knows no color.
https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-kingdrewpulitzer-sg-storygallery.html
When stupidity and incompetence achieves the ability to control its own destiny the result eventually becomes self-destructive, often in the most angry and explosive manner, sucking in everything around it. Organizations and institutions founded on such fatalities are akin to black holes–they pull in energy and matter around it and expel those intelligent enough to reverse the process. You might say it is a homonym of Hawking Radiation. The smart ones leave until the void evaporates.
Stupidity and incompetence is unavoidable in societies. It can only at best be contained. One strategy such as in this example is to have several other health-care facilities that run well and serve beneficially. That way when the malfunctioning institution falters, it does deservingly so and only affects those who promote its existence, while the good hospitals prosper. The former at least serves as a chelation agent binding to the idiots that could otherwise damage the host in the health care system and thus they might be expelled. The risk though is when the stupid achieve a monopoly in a particular industry or governance. That is the worst situation possible.
Your concept of “preferrential admissions” is a fallacy. The affirmative action quotas you speak up tend to serve as a cap keeping total admissions of black students below their percentage of the population. Show me a school with a 15% quota that admitted 25% blacks?
Please let me know what statistics you are referring to when describing America as one of the least racist countries in the world? Not that there aren’t some very racist countries out there. America is right up there with them. Perhaps you haven’t noticed the Muslim ban, family separations at the Southern Border, caging kids, and if you want to go back a little, Internment campa and my favorite; the slave breeding farms which only America did to the degree it did. When the President speaks of a whole continent as “shithole countries” and still has your support, it speaks volumes.
https://medium.com/the-aambc-journal/americas-breeding-farms-what-history-books-never-told-you-6704e8b152a4
Enigma – are you saying that American universities turn away qualified black applicants because they have too many blacks in their student body?
Reference?
There are articles written about these studies about racism. I will find the actual studies and post later tonight.
I’m not sure why you posted an article whose author believes that Americans are not aware that the children of slaves were sold for profit over a hundred years ago. African tribes sold their enemies into slavery for profit, and military advantage. Human nature, after all, is the same underneath the skin.
Hi Enigma:
Here is one:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/
The United States is not a generally racist country. There are laws against discrimination in the workplace. In fact, many companies actively seek to hire minorities. It’s not just private industry, either. Police departments will choose someone with a lower score and a modicum of interest if they are black, over someone with a higher test score and very interested in law enforcement, if they are white, in an effort to “diversity” their department. Racism is not part of its government or culture. That’s why the Klan is considered a kooky fringe group wildly unpopular with most of America. No racist country could elect a black president, or black politicians into local, state, or federal office.
Family separation – every time someone is arrested in America, they are separated from their children. That’s true whether they are an immigrant or not. We made children into tickets past our legal immigration system. This led to parents paying organized crime to drag their kids across inhospitable deserts, on a trail where 85% of women and girls are raped. The problem isn’t that when they are detained, families are separated. The problem is we’ve created a system that induces parents to put their kids in danger.
Internment campus – this is a disingenuous comparison to concentration camps, which is offensive. Illegal aliens are detained. Democrats oppose even this processing. Plus many are on record opposing the deportation of anyone who has gone through the court system and ordered deported. This makes ICE, detention, processing, and the entire immigration system a waste of time, since apparently we can have no standards at all to deport anyone. I guess that makes all the legal immigrants waiting in lines fools.
Caging kids – these are not 2 foot square dog kennels. This is the same fencing used at playgrounds across America. Many facilities are quite nice. I’ve seen footage of them. However, as we keep trying to explain, there is a crisis at the border and facilities are being overrun. They don’t have the room, supplies, or facilities to keep up with hordes of entitled people demanding that they have the right to line jump. This is irresponsible. Immigration should be managed to that 100% of people go through the legal system, rather than just released into the general population, ordered deported, and then skip. Immigration should coincide with housing and jobs markets. The more illegal immigration, the harder it is for our own poor to find low cost housing and entry level jobs. Unlimited illegal immigration hurts the poor the most.
As for *(^^hole countries, I don’t use such terms. However, my husband has said the area where he works has turned into a total s^&*^hole, because the homeless are pooping all over the street, and dumping trash everywhere. It’s no longer safe. He has to walk the secretaries out to their cars. They call the police all the time. Many have called other areas of CA the same term for similar reasons, so it’s not like I can judge people because they are complaining. I can’t tell you how many times friends have announced they are leaving this CA sh*(&*hole. It’s a rude word, not racist.
Humanitarian crisis, sanitation problem, violence, war torn, system corruption…those are all euphemisms used in polite conversation. Get behind closed doors, and that’s when the cussing starts. The same terms are applied towards countries suffering from failed policies like socialism, or corruption. The world pours billions of dollars into them and nothing changes. It’s very frustrating. I don’t know if Trump actually said this. It’s been alleged. Since he routinely complains about mismanagement on the local, state, federal, and global level using very colorful language, it’s entirely possible. In the same conversation, he was said to have wanted more Asian immigrants, then one cannot assume it was racist. I’m pretty sure that if there was a Wakanda filled with ultra high tech, and prosperous people who would help our economy, then Trump would be delighted to invite them over. It’s about cost, not race.
Sometimes people hate to think about money. The truth is, that we need more tax payers than benefits users, in order to keep the system afloat. Inverse it, and it fails.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2010/02/11/africas-forever-wars/
Why did you include an article pointing out the obvious, that the children of slaves were sold for profit? Hereditary slavery is actually still going on in Africa today. Children of slaves are still sold, often to Arabs or into sex slavery. Some estimates of modern slavery place 25% of the enslaved as children. If you think that only happened in the United States, then you were misinformed. I’ve spent time in the Caribbean, and the artifacts of slavery and what happened there are grim.
The United States was at the forefront of abolishing slavery, and thank God for that. That doesn’t even take into account FGM and forced marriage. Slavery was universally practiced since before recorded time. Non slave owners died, leaving their widows and children impoverished and often starving, to free strangers. This constant blaming of today’s generation for what went on hundreds of years ago, globally, dishonors their sacrifice. People died to free the slaves and keep the Union together. Taxpayers spend billions of dollars on programs to help minorities. If nothing we ever do in perpetuity is ever going to be enough, then what’s the point? I’ll bet every single black American could be given enough reparations to destroy the economy, and it still won’t be enough. Meanwhile, other groups who suffered poverty, oppression, war, and the loss of everything thrive here. People immigrate here from African countries, and they fare better than native born black people, because parents pressure their children to do well in school and take advantage of the opportunities here.
Learn from the past and move forward. No white person alive today had anything to do with slavery in Abe Lincoln’s time.
“Why did you include an article pointing out the obvious, that the children of slaves were sold for profit? ”
You obtusely missed the point. The United States, alone in the history of the world, allowed large breeding farms to meet the demand for slaves in the South. It’s a history they never talk about, some historians deny it.
You suggest the US led the effort to end slavery when in fact they were among the last in the Western world to end the practice. The Constitution provided that the US could not end the practice of importing slaves until 1807. That wasn’t in an attempt to end slavery which wasn’t ended for another 50 years. It was to provide time to establish the domestic breeding of slaves in large enough quantity to meet the need. When Congress did ban the International slave trade in 1808, it was a protectionist move to keep the prices high of the slaves they were churning out in Richmond and Maryland Eastern-Shore. Individual slave women were forced to have 15-20 children then to have them ripped away and sold. That is much more than simply saying, “slaves were sold for profit.”
You say, “no white person alive had anything to do with slavery in Abe Lincoln’s time.” America as a whole is a much wealthier nation as a result of three hundred years of basically free labor. Slaves gave America an edge in cotton production, rice, tobacco, and other crops. Slaves built the Southern portion of the railway system. The largest shareholders of the Southern rail systems were slave owners. The generational wealth of many white Americans comes directly from what they gained from the benefits of owning slaves. If you want to say every white person doesn’t benefit, I could go with that. But you went as far as to basically claim no white person isn’t still reaping the benefits of this country’s past which is totally wrong. The slave system was the model for using the Chinese to build the Western railways. It’s the model for using prisoners on chain gangs, which when combined with mass incarceration, stop and frisk, and other racially targeted programs, produce a similar result. And then there’s voter suppression, redistricting, and you could even throw in the Electoral College, which will protect white people well past the time they become a statistical minority in this country. That there are other racist countries is clear. Any attempt to deny America’s racism both historical and present is misguided.
As for your other comments, voter suppression can be racist. If some white guy is standing in front of the ballot box, preventing a black man from voting because of his race, then that’s racist.
Voter ID is not racist, obviously, and it’s not voter suppression. I have to provide my ID for any number of transactions in America, and abroad, none of which are for racist reasons. I had to show my ID to use my debit card to buy cupcakes. Transactions require identity verification to prevent fraud. That’s why it’s done. That’s why there is a photo on your drivers license instead of just your name. It doesn’t prevent all cases of fake drivers licenses, but it makes it harder.
States provide free ID to the poor. You can get document fees waived to get a copy of your birth certificate. There are mail in ballots to people who don’t drive, or have surgery scheduled, or will be out of town. To do anything through government takes some effort, whether it’s clicking a box or reading a form. I don’t know why activists have convinced people that voting should require no effort. Someone might have to exert himself to realize that if he has not registered to vote, he should do so before an election. If he doesn’t have an ID, he should get one. If he can’t afford $29 for ID, he might have to exert himself to file for a fee waiver. If he needs a copy of his birth certificate, he might need to file a fee waiver. If he can’t remember his name or birthdate then…I don’t know. I’ve got nothing.
It’s not reasonable to suggest that requiring a photo ID is voter suppression. However, it is true that both Democrats and Republicans gerrymander districts in order to benefit their own party. That is their job. Literally.
It is also not reasonable for activists to suggest that black people just cannot manage to get an ID. You need an ID to function in the US. No one says voter ID suppresses the poor Latinos or the poor Asians. In fact, the common complaint is about illegal aliens voting. So…Latinos who come here with nothing, having paid all their money to organized crime to trek across the desert, can not only get ID, they can vote, allegedly. Legal Latino immigrants vote, no problem. Asians work endless hours to put their kids through school, and come here speaking a non-latin based language, and they vote. It’s insulting to claim that voter ID is unfair to black people. I mean, what in the world does that say about black people? The groups most likely to not have ID are the elderly and the homeless of any race. The elderly let their drivers licenses lapse, and when it comes time to notarize a document or vote, they realize that their ID is expired. See my earlier comment that sometimes personal effort is required to vote. By all means, do outreach programs to help the elderly vote, as long as it’s not fraud, such as taking advantage of people with dementia to use their mail in ballots.
I don’t think there are any “white schools” anymore. As I mentioned previously, my major had a lot of Asians and other minorities.
Oh, who wanted assimilation anyway!
Meh, it’s basically a “click bait” article to stir-up controversy and thereby sell more magazines. The author knows that any reasonably intelligent black athlete will do what is in his/her best interest: choose a college based on a variety of factors, including the reputation of the athletic program and financial aid offered. An academically competitive athlete should choose a higher ranked college. An academically struggling athlete may be better off choosing an HBCU because he/she would have better odds of graduating.
she can ask but they won’t listen, due to the obvious incentives. So ,this is. another non-story, non-event.
I have no problem with her asking for such a thing, it doesn’t even strike me as “racist”
not that I care too much about that in any direction
She wants the money generated by black athletes to stay in the “black community” (whatever that means) so as to foster a black professional class. This was the goal of affirmative action from the beginning, as opposed to broader racial equity, integration, eventual color-blindness, etc. Although writers like her frequently mention “economic development” as a goal, and as a likely (questionable) result of this kind of one-off redistribution of wealth (superstar by superstar), they’d be quite satisfied with a more variegated color spread among the elite, even if the majority of the black population stayed broke, as opposed to wealth and political power being distributed fairly and equitably regardless of race, which incidentally doesn’t exist except socially and in the most morally meaningless biological sense. The latter, and nothing less than that, is the goal of any legitimate pursuit of reparations for slavery which would trickle down to education and everything else.
More broadly, Ms. Hill is part of a current crop of upwardly mobile ideologues on the putatively liberal side of the political spectrum whom the World Socialist Website refers to as “racialist”, as opposed to racist. The strain is typified by the NYT’s recent so-called “1619 Project”. Endeavors like these purport to explain American history primarily, if not exclusively, through the prism of race, and to implicitly justify the impossibility of racial cooperation, integration, or justice. They omit mention in their accounts of white people who fought valiantly for racial equity, e.g. William Lloyd Garrison, the white soldiers in the U.S. Civil War who were motivated to end slavery. It is a means of “sowing divisions”, as the Times likes to say, ultimately toward the end of preventing whites and blacks from first recognizing and then making common cause against their shared enemies in the super-rich billionaires and mega-corporations who dominate every aspect of society and make a mockery of democracy on a daily basis.
There is already a “black professional class,” due to a half-century of affirmative action in education and employment. Prince George’s County, MD, adjacent to Washington, D.C., is the wealthiest black community in the U.S., based on the statistically disproportionate number of black managers and executives employed by the federal government.
There was a business and professional class in the black population in 1925, Kitty. It just wasn’t very populous. You don’t need AA to build and maintain a black professional-managerial class. You do need to stop obsessing over ratios.
Everyone obsesses over stats and ratios, including you. 😹 Since whites are the designated benchmark, other groups are always compared to whites. Even at work, they Federal govt adopted a rule that blacks cannot be disciplined for misconduct, tardiness, etc. at statistically higher rates than whites, regardless of individual conduct.
I’m not obsessing over anything, so quit lying.
Well you said that I was obsessing, so I said that you’re obsessing. It takes one to know one. Hahaha. Get over it. 😹😹😹
I said nothing of the kind. Reading comprehension is your friend.
That is the most untruthiness I have ever seen you post, Tia. You clearly regularly obsess over stats – your comments are peppered throughout with all kinds of stats. And you most clearly stated to Kitty Wampus “You do need to stop obsessing over ratios.” I copied and pasted that quote from your reply to Kitty.
You are better than this.
You clearly regularly obsess over stats – your comments are peppered throughout with all kinds of stats. And you most clearly stated to Kitty Wampus “You do need to stop obsessing over ratios.”
Evidently, the significance of just about everything goes write over your head, as well as figurative usage.
TIA…..do you know anything about the Federal rule Kitty was referring to? You can’t reprimand blacks at work at a statistically higher rate than whites?
Still working out the kinks in the AI war room. It’s Friday, though, so the wonks took the day off.
Such a rule would be met with try-every-door noncompliance if the school district cared to do that. And the school district would tell the feds to take their money and shove it if they were serious pedagogues. Which they’re not.
TIAXIII……Thank you
Kitty……do you have a link to that Federal rule that says blacks cannot be reprimanded at work at statistically higher rates than whites? How ridiculous!
Thank you!
And yet PG County operates an abysmal public school system. (From a former Hyattsville and College Park resident.)
Far Out West………sorry to hear about Prince George’s .
Years ago I was offered a teaching job there, but it was too fsr of a drive…I took the job in Fsirfax Co, instead, and as I’ve said before, that was a dream of a school district!
Fairfax
For it to be non-abysmal, PG County and the State of Maryland have to do three things.
(1) sequester the incorrigibles and turn them over to the sheriff’s department operating day detention programs. In the Sheriff’s detention centers, they sit in cages most of the day and are allowed out in groups of six for classroom instruction (or an attempt at instruction by remedial teachers). Kids who make trouble in that setting are taken back to their cages or taken out back and beaten.
and
(2) practice vigorous academic tracking, so the learning of the quick students is not impeded by the need to pitch things to slower students and so the slow students aren’t confused by material paced so as average students can absorb it.
(3) have the young sit for state regents’ examinations (administered by outside proctors) as a quality control gauge. The schools in the state which score in the bottom 1 or 2% on the league tables get put in trusteeship.
(4) revamp the state’s teacher-training programs.
Of course, neither the state nor the local government will do anything.
Money can’t change culture. Just like in neighboring Montgomery County. It once had bragging rights to the top public school system in the country. And it still has top schools in certain zip codes – Potomac, Chevy Chase, and Bethesda in particular. But due to rapidly changing demographics, some of the schools are doing very poorly. Wheaton High School, for example, has a 50% drop-out rate. And while that’s not good, it’s not as bad as it sounds. Many of the Hispanic immigrant kids who drop out will go into the building trades, plumbing, landscaping and so forth. They’ll eventually own their own businesses and will be financially successful.
The D.C. public school system recently released test scores. The results in math and English had whites scoring the highest, followed by Asians, Hispanics and blacks. I suspect that whites scoring higher than Asians had to do with whites being in the upper-income neighborhoods, and Asians being in the immigrant, lower-income zip codes. But what surprised me was that immigrant Hispanics scored higher in English and math than blacks, whose families have presumably been in the U.S. for 300 years.
But due to rapidly changing demographics, some of the schools are doing very poorly.
There is nothing to stop them from improving their value-added. They have to optimize on manpower. Which means disruption has consequences and all students are in tracks. Educrats don’t do these things because they Just.Don’t.Feel.Like.It..
if that is a legit goal then segregation was better at effectuating it than deseg. deseg allows the more educated, moneyed “people of color” to leave their ethnic environs and migrate to Evil Whitey’s Neighborhood. thus leaving the others behind in a lack of “solidarity” etc
perhaps that’s why southern democrats supported segregation? to help the people of color? i don’t know just speculating. before my time and I’m neither a southernor nor a democrat.
here’;s an interesting book i havent read yet:
https://www.thenation.com/article/democratic-party-in-the-south-review-bateman-katznelson-lapinski-caughey/
“The authors of two new books—David Bateman, Ira Katznelson, and John Lapinski in Southern Nation: Congress and White Supremacy After Reconstruction and Devin Caughey in The Unsolid South: Mass Politics and National Representation in a One-Party Enclave—take up this apparent contradiction and show how it helps to explain why the region switched from being the stronghold of one party to the base of its adversary.
Both books also come to a similar conclusion: that most white voters in the South, as well as the politicians they elected, were fine with egalitarian economic policies in the late 19th and early 20th centuries so long as they didn’t threaten to disrupt the Jim Crow order. Some endorsed these policies for purely instrumental reasons—as the price of sustaining an alliance with Democrats from the urban North who needed to win the votes of industrial workers. But others believed, with ample justification, that industrialists and Wall Street financiers ran the economy solely to benefit themselves, at the expense of small farmers and wage earners. Of course, the only exploitation these voters cared about was that suffered by white people, and this “egalitarian whiteness”—the concise term used by Bateman, Katznelson, and Lapinski to describe this combination of racial supremacy and working-class egalitarianism—helped keep the South solidly Democratic through the first half of the 20th century.
It is fitting that these historically minded works of political science bear the imprint of Princeton University Press. After all, the university’s most famous president was a distinguished political scientist who grew up in Dixie and, as the nation’s 28th president, instituted some notable reforms while also overseeing the segregation of a large part of the federal bureaucracy.
Southern Nation is the more ambitious of the two volumes. Its authors examine not just how Dixie Democrats forged and fought for a common agenda in Congress built around both white supremacy and taxing the rich, but also how much this agenda ended up shaping domestic policy writ large. When lawmakers from the South strongly favored a bill, such as the Federal Reserve Act or the 16th Amendment allowing Congress to impose an income tax, it passed. When they opposed a bill, such as the one proposed by Republicans in the late 1880s that would have enabled federal officials to supervise the conduct of elections all across the country, they nearly always managed to kill it.”
LIFE IS COMPLICATE FOLKS GET USED TO IT
Some of this has value in a rational and reasonable sense. You must be new to the asylum.
to Wortmanberg.
But central planning, control of the means of production (i.e. regulation), redistribution of wealth and social engineering are unconstitutional. The absolute right to private property and the Article 1, Section 8 denial of Congressional taxation for individual welfare (only General) and the restriction of regulation to “…commerce among the several States…” preclude all of these principles of the Communist Manifesto. Sorry, you can’t do communism in America under the U.S. Constitution.
“Jemele Hill Calls For Black Athletes To…” attend low quality colleges in order to acquire a lousy education.
The current corps of HBCUs do not encompass more than a modest share of the black student population. Most of them have a severe deficit of students capable of trudging their way to a degree (and it’s doubtful the academic standards at these schools are all that exacting). Across the whole population of such institutions, more severe admissions screens should be the order of the day. You’d need a cut in enrollment in excess of 35% ‘ere you’d have a student body whose performance was sufficient to obtain that sheepskin. They’d rather not do that. They have fixed costs to meet and a severe reduction in staffing would be disheartening to all concerned.
One thing state governments can do is close some of their HBCUs and institute slimming programs on any residue (which could include an additional increment to endowment that they might meet their fixed costs). All of the HBCUs in the Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Missouri systems are hopeless and should close. Proper targets for closure would include Medgar Evers College in New York (leaving York College open), Coppin State and UMES in Maryland, and the Shreveport and New Orleans branch campuses in Louisiana. Chicago State would benefit from an enrollment reduction of about 1/3, with concomitant closure of weak programs.
The U.S. Dept of Education should revoke funding for colleges failing to meet prescribed academic standards, as they really don’t benefit anyone other than their faculty and administrations. Give them the option of either losing funding, or converting to white-collar vocational schools, providing certifications as accounting techs, computer techs, nursing assistants and so forth. A job-ready certification would provide graduates with something of actual value. We have too many graduates with essentially worthless degrees and a pile of student debt that they are unable to repay.
It’s the business of state governments to supervise higher education. The federal government’s role is properly limited to regulating recruitment across state lines and supervising multi-state institutions.
you will love this tia. from zerohedge
“This week, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth announced their partnership with the University of Alaska Fairbanks (UAF) in releasing a draft report of an in depth four-year study on what actually brought down WTC 7. According to the press release, the release of the draft report begins a two-month period during which the public is invited to submit comments. The final report will be published later this year.
According to the study’s authors:
“The UAF research team utilized three approaches for examining the structural response of WTC 7 to the conditions that may have occurred on September 11, 2001. First, we simulated the local structural response to fire loading that may have occurred below Floor 13, where most of the fires in WTC 7 are reported to have occurred. Second, we supplemented our own simulation by examining the collapse initiation hypothesis developed by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Third, we simulated a number of scenarios within the overall structural system in order to determine what types of local failures and their locations may have caused the total collapse to occur as observed.””
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“After conducting comprehensive modeling and studying countless scenarios, the study’s authors, J. Leroy Hulsey, Ph.D., P.E., S.E., UAF, Zhili Quan, Ph.D., Bridge Engineer South Carolina Department of Transportation, and Feng Xiao, Ph.D., Associate Professor Nanjing University of Science and Technology Department of Civil Engineering, concluded the following:
“Fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.””
They actually recruited one structural engineer, who has been at this for several years. He’s an old man for whom this is a new departure. His work heretofore has been devoted to designing bridges for cold climates.
Project Information
Lead Researcher
Dr. J. Leroy Hulsey
Professor of Civil Engineering, University of Alaska Fairbanks
Research Assistants
Dr. Feng Xiao
Associate Professor, Nanjing University of Science and Technology
Dr. Zhili Quan
Bridge Engineer, South Carolina Department of Transportation
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I’m not in the business of evaluating engineering credentials but a quick google search turns up legit bona fides for the Feng Xiao. Quan I cant verify after 5 minutes.
i did find a the paper outsdie the 911truth website on the university website
http://ine.uaf.edu/media/222439/uaf_wtc7_draft_report_09-03-2019.pdf
Why not develop a bibliography of studies, instead of cherry-picking stuff you fancy is kewel?
The real deal:
https://news.stanford.edu/news/2001/december5/wtc-125.html
The US Dept of Education needs to be revoked, or at the very least reduced to those functions constitutionally required for interstate oversight.
Federal student aid is harmful in many ways. It drives up tuition costs, encourages bloat and inefficiency, and is an unfair burden on taxpayers. But most importantly, because federal aid comes with top-down regulations, it poses a threat to the core strengths of American higher education, including institutional autonomy, competition, and innovation.
All efforts to impose federal regulations on colleges and universities should be rejected. At the same time, federal subsidies to students and institutions should be reduced and ultimately eliminated.
https://www.downsizinggovernment.org/education/higher-education-subsidies
The National Assessment of Educational Progress can be assigned to the Labor Department, along with the other statistical collection programs. You can incorporate a stand-alone regulatory agency devoted to transparency in cross-state service transactions which would include the market for educational services. Some disclosure requirements and a standard billing format would be all you’d need to legislate for the purveyors of higher education (provided you were committing to prosecuting corporations and corporate officers who lie in their disclosure statements). The rest of the Department of Education could be shut down and should be. As for student loans, that’s properly a function of banks and finance companies operating without subsidies (but undertaking serious underwriting). Ideally, enhanced protection for creditors would be the minimum sufficient to allow a private market for student loans to emerge without usurious servicing charges.
DSS,
Of course all of that assumes the political class (and those that put them there) are concerned with the proper function of anything. There is always an agenda, and it is typically reflected by power & financial gain.
Is there really much difference between the qualified student loan borrower and the qualified subprime loan borrower? Hell, even the subprime borrower had some evidence of credit history, with some proven willingness and capacity to pay. And yet here we are with a primarily federal government run student loan program lending to credit ghosts with no evidence of willingness or capacity to pay; that are unemployed, that have no guarantee of graduation or post-school employment. Perhaps it would be more effective to call the student loan program what it is: federal subprime student loan program. That just might trigger people to take a deep dive into the entities profiting the most off of this disastrous scheme.
We the People of the United States have decided–though our elected representatives–that providing assistance to our fellow citizen who are seeking a college degree is appropriate from a self-interested point of view. The creation of a citizen whose higher education provides for a more high-paying job will necessarily lead to a fellow citizen whose income will provide for a higher tax base. That higher tax base is what funds the essential and desired services that We the People–through our elected representatives–have repeatedly shown to be popular amongst We the People.
Sometimes some independent thought–unsullied by the usual Pravda Faux News swill–will lead to an argument which you will never hear in the hannity echo silo. You’re welcome.
this is to “Oh, ya, I guess I never thought of that” ollie
We the People of the United States have decided–though our elected representatives…
Bwahahahahaha! Yes thank you. I knew once I read those 13 words that what was to follow would be pure propaganda; and you bought it and brought it. When you replace the subject, the stupidity remains the same. Well done comrade!
Lenders were far too ready to give away so many risky loans at once, seemingly assuming that housing prices [college degrees and high paying jobs} would continue to rise and interest rates would stay low.
Though these parties decidedly took advantage of people with bad credit [no credit] in need of a place to live [a college degree], homebuyers [students] and the distinctly American pursuit of owning a home [getting a degree] played a small role in this as well. The dream of upward mobility and owning larger homes [getting a college degree] led people to be riskier with their own real estate investments, [financial future] and predatory lenders were all too ready to help them.
Sorry, I don’t pay attention to sidewalk preachers or Pravda Faux News shriekers, so I don’t know what particular paranoid-conspiracy of the day your response is referencing. It looks good on you, though. Pro tip: “We the People” encompass even those who don’t look like you, me, the gullible rubes, dupes, klan wannabees, pocket-traitors, grifters on the make, or the hillbillies down to Toad Swaller, B.F.E. So sorry for your loss.
this is to “I have a flip chart with today’s conspiracies highlighted” ollie
So whos the racist now?
Plenty of that to go around, you are still in the running.
The sharpie thread generated 180+ comments and counting.
Anon1, Allan, Anonymous, Paul, Karen, Cindy, George, Kurtz et al will be coming along soon to surpass the former pleasing Turley to crow about the web traffic with his gutter toxic blog.
With educated Americans acting like opiate addicts, heroin dealers should be extinct by 2020
Herr An,
Would you please list my name first next time? My ego.is havin’ a sinkin’ spell.
Thanks!
Let’s start with the premise that there are not that many black colleges to begin with. You would have more black athletes competing for fewer spots, so the competition would be tougher. Then we know that for the exception of a few HBCU, they have been failing financially and academically, so she wants the black athlete to get a poorer education.
In general, Jemele Hill cannot think a problem through.
In general, Jemele Hill cannot think a problem through.
We have a Hill on this blog with the very same affliction. Hmmm?
You assume she’s authentic in advocating such position. As the day glo bozo shows on an hourly basis, spouting ridiculous nonsense gets one noticed, attracts “clicks” and keeps the news cycle fed. She’s playing out of the buffoon-in-chief’s handbook.
to paulie – georgie
Marky Mark Mark – why should we not take her at her word? Believe wahmen, right?
I think they’d be in satisfactory shape if the weaker institutions closed and the competent students in them redeployed to the remaining institutions. My guess is that if about 40% of these institutions dissolved, the remainder would have sufficient enrollment to meet their fixed costs. State governments can get the ball rolling by shuttering failing public institutions and some restructuring of the remainder.
Ms. Hill clearly details her limited understanding of college athletics, college revenues, and her own writing deficiencies.
This is so destructive. Let me get this straight. This woman now wants segregated colleges?
From Ms. Hill’s Atlantic article ‘it should have been a moment of fear for the predominantly white institutions whose collective multibillion-dollar revenues have been built largely on the exertions of (uncompensated) black athletes…About 30 Division I schools each bring in at least $100 million in athletic revenue every year’
Yes, and large research universities, especially public universities, receive 3-4 times the revenue raised by athletics from the Indirect Cost rate of federally sponsored research. Ask the President or Chancellor of a research university to choose between the institution’s athletic department revenue or sponsored research revenue and without question the sponsored research would win.
Predominantly white colleges and universities administrations do not fear the loss of any athlete. Vegas bookies, yes, and perhaps the local college sportswear shop, but the university knows that the quality of the academics determines the ultimate source of funding, not the ‘one and done’ who carries the basketball team to the Final Four.
No black athletes at white colleges, like the good ol’ days? But will they still be allowed to sit at the front of the bus?
So, just what was the Civil Rights movement about?
I’m old and getting very confused.
The arrogance and stupidity of race baiters is astounding
If black kids listen to to this woman, they will be hurt.
Whites listening to her have two reactions: the Pinkos are impressed by her brilliance, while normal people just shake their heads in disbelief.