We have been discussing the truly disgusting teenage prank of licking ice cream at food stores and then posting the act on social media. Now, there is a far more chilling variation of teenagers coughing on fruits and vegetables and posing their acts to terrify other shoppers.
The Purcellville Police Department and other police departments are investigating the trend. There have been sporadic reports of individuals with Corona intentionally trying to spread the virus.
The police have been trying to deter the licking prank with criminal charges. Previous cases have resulted in felony charges of tampering with a consumer product. This latest variation could be subject to even more stringent sentencing given the threat of the pandemic and the desire to cause public panic. The act can be defined as a terroristic threat in some states. However, even the felony tampering charges can result in a decade or more of jail time.
News of this prank has arisen at the same time that disturbing new research shows that this remarkably contagious virus can live on surfaces longer than anticipated. A new study published in the New England Journal of Medicine found that the virus is live for up to three hours in aerosols, up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel.
Another man-child:
“Man charged after coughing on Wegmans employee, telling her she has coronavirus has history of pro-Trump, racist social media posts”
“George Falcone faces charges of making terroristic threats, harassment and obstruction of justice”
By Nikita Biryukov, March 24 2020 6:04 pm
“The 50-year-old Freehold resident facing charges after coughing on a woman and telling her she now had coronavirus at a Manalapan Wegmans has a history of making pro-Trump comments and parroting Fox News talking points on social media.
George Falcone, who faces charges of making terroristic threats, harassment and obstruction of justice over the incident, has frequently shared tweets and posts made by conservative talking heads and once posted a meme suggesting Reps. Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar were terrorists.”
https://newjerseyglobe.com/section-2/man-charged-with-coughing-on-wegmans-employee-telling-her-she-has-coronavirus-has-history-of-pro-trump-racist-social-media-posts/
Okay, this trend is disturbing. I feel like teens have always done stupid things, bc its part of the age range, but now, they just have video cameras to record and take pictures of all the stupidity. Way worse.
It’s one thing to be a punk, it’s another to be recording the action of being a punk for the whole world to see….i think the biggest thing when I was a teen, trying to think back, was eating a cookie while walking around the store, or eating some candy from the bin. Licking stuff and putting it back is pretty nasty.
In case anyone has an interest.
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https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israeli-start-up-to-donate-120000-masks-to-stop-coronavirus-spread-621077
Israel to receive 120,000 coronavirus-repelling face masks
Sonovia developed an almost-permanent, ultrasonic, fabric-finishing technology for mechanical impregnation of zinc oxide nanoparticles into textiles.
An Israeli start-up company that developed an anti-pathogen fabric that could be used in masks to stop the spread of coronavirus is donating its first product – some 120,000 masks – to Israeli hospitals, medical professionals and coronavirus patients.
“Sonovia Ltd. is determined to use its novel technology for the good of the State of Israel,” the company said in a release. “In this crucial period, it is hoped that our efforts will help curtail the number of clinical cases of Coronavirus we see in Israel in the upcoming weeks and months.”
The Jerusalem Post first wrote about Sonovia in late January, when there were no Israelis diagnosed with the potentially lethal virus. Since then, around 200 locals have contracts the virus and the number is expected to grow.
Now, the company found a local partner to generate its industrialization efforts and Sonovia, whose technology is based on a lab-scale sonochemical process that was developed at Bar-Ilan University believes, “we have the ability to help prevent the virus from spreading.”
On Sunday, the company imported all of its stored fabric from its R&D line in Germany to its headquarters in Israel and then to a factory in Jerusalem that will make the masks. Dr. Jason Migdal, a research scientist with Sonovia, told The Jerusalem Post that the masks will be ready by next week.
Sonovia developed an almost-permanent, ultrasonic, fabric-finishing technology for mechanical impregnation of zinc oxide nanoparticles into textiles.
“The technology is based upon a physical phenomenon called cavitation,” said Migdal. “Sound waves are used to physically infuse desired chemicals onto the structure area of materials, enhancing them with clinically proven antiviral and antibacterial properties.”
Migdal explained that the novel coronavirus, also known as COVID-19, is spread via aerosol and direct contact. Therefore, antiviral personal protective equipment “are of crucial importance to combat the transmission of this viral epidemic,” he said.
Allan,
China has caused two corona virus outbreaks. Isn’t that enough?
America must sue China for knowing, willful and deliberate withholding of early, critical information regarding the COVID-19 outbreak, and for damages, in the initial amount $5 trillion, for willful dereliction and negligence resulting in severe illness, trauma, death and financial disaster, through its failure to monitor and control food acquisition and processing practices in China which resulted in the transmission or “hopping” of the current adaptation of the coronavirus from animals to humans and the subsequent world-wide propagation of COVID-19.
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China, Derelict and Negligent for 100 Years, Was the Origin of 1918 “Spanish Flu” and the 2020 “Wuhan Flu.”
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“1918 Flu Pandemic That Killed 50 Million Originated in China, Historians Say
Chinese laborers transported across Canada thought to be source.”
Dan Vergano, January 24, 2014
“The global flu outbreak of 1918 killed 50 million people worldwide, ranking as one of the deadliest epidemics in history.
“For decades, scientists have debated where in the world the pandemic started, variously pinpointing its origins in France, China, the American Midwest, and beyond. Without a clear location, scientists have lacked a complete picture of the conditions that bred the disease and factors that might lead to similar outbreaks in the future.
“The deadly “Spanish flu” claimed more lives than World War I, which ended the same year the pandemic struck. Now, new research is placing the flu’s emergence in a forgotten episode of World War I: the shipment of Chinese laborers across Canada in sealed train cars.
“Historian Mark Humphries of Canada’s Memorial University of Newfoundland says that newly unearthed records confirm that one of the side stories of the war—the mobilization of 96,000 Chinese laborers to work behind the British and French lines on World War I’s Western Front—may have been the source of the pandemic.
“Writing in the January issue of the journal War in History, Humphries acknowledges that his hypothesis awaits confirmation by viral samples from flu victims. Such evidence would tie the disease’s origin to one location.
“But some other historians already find his argument convincing.
“This is about as close to a smoking gun as a historian is going to get,” says historian James Higgins, who lectures at Lehigh University in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, and who has researched the 1918 spread of the pandemic in the United States. “These records answer a lot of questions about the pandemic.”
– National Geographic
Highlighting the following about chloroquine, tried by China back in February, I believe. There are currently approximately 22 clinical trials in progress in China — trials which involve the use of chloroquine to treat coronavirus.
“The drug touted by the U.S. President Donald Trump as a possible line of treatment against the coronavirus comes with severe warnings in China and can kill in dosages as little as two grams.
“China, where the deadly pathogen first emerged in December, recommended the decades-old malaria drug chloroquine to treat infected patients in guidelines issued in February after seeing encouraging results in clinical trials. But within days, it cautioned doctors and health officials about the drug’s lethal side effects and rolled back its usage.”
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/18/who-to-launch-multinational-trial-to-jumpstart-search-for-coronavirus-drugs/
“Henao-Restrepo said chloroquine — which is cheap and used regularly around the world — will be tested two ways. Some countries will test chloroquine against the standard of care while others will test hydroxychloroquine, a related drug.”
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/chloroquine-malaria-drug-treat-coronavirus-doctors/story?id=69664561
“There are more than 20 ongoing clinical trials in China and more scheduled to start in England, Thailand, South Korea and the United States.”
I’ll listen to the US testing on chloroquine being performed now. The drug has been recommended by the CDC for decades. See my earlier comment. We have some stupid people that play politics instead of work to solve problems.
“Malaria drug touted as coronavirus treatment by Trump and Elon Musk can be deadly, China finds”
BY BLOOMBERG
March 20, 2020 8:00 AM EST
https://fortune.com/2020/03/20/malaria-drug-coronavirus-treatment-chloroquine-trump-musk-deadly-china/
“The drug touted by the U.S. President Donald Trump as a possible line of treatment against the coronavirus comes with severe warnings in China and can kill in dosages as little as two grams.
“China, where the deadly pathogen first emerged in December, recommended the decades-old malaria drug chloroquine to treat infected patients in guidelines issued in February after seeing encouraging results in clinical trials. But within days, it cautioned doctors and health officials about the drug’s lethal side effects and rolled back its usage.”
“Information for Clinicians on Therapeutic Options for COVID-19 Patients”
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/therapeutic-options.html
That is why our government agencies are doing their own testing. Is that factual? Who knows. Again that is why we are doing our own testing. Chloroquine has been used for decades to prevent and treat malaria. I have taken chloroquin as a preventive agent many times when I was in an area plagued with Malaria and was ready to take the full dose of treatment should I have gotten Malaria. See what the CDC has to say which is who I referred to when I needed to decide on my recommended shots and prophylactic medications. https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resources/pdf/fsp/drugs/Chloroquine.pdf
The problem is the use of the drug with the COVID infection and other drugs.That is why there is testing. That is a common problem faced by all physicians when they use any medications to treat any patients. Unfortunately in an attempt to undermine a Presidency some have pointed to adverse affects one can have with chloroquine. I suggest they look at the PDR for the adverse effects of Tylenol or Aspirin.
A unique pub:
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/the-unique-wa-pub-where-you-can-have-a-beer-with-a-kangaroo/12060590
The ‘roos don’t drink the beer.
😉
It’s a shame that the pub might be forced to close.
Thanks for that bit of levity.
An article in ‘TheScientist’:
Chloroquine for COVID-19: Cutting Through the Hype
President Donald Trump has touted the drug as a treatment but scientists still don’t know for sure that it is effective in patients. A number of clinical trials aim to find out.
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/is-hype-over-chloroquine-as-a-potential-covid-19-therapy-justified–67301
Two excerpts:
By March 19, President Donald Trump was touting chloroquine at a press conference. He even announced that the Food and Drug Administration had fast-tracked its approval for COVID-19. The FDA denied that this was the case a short time later.
A number of other chloroquine experiments on humans are in the works. According to clinicaltrials.gov, researchers at the University of Oxford plan to give it as a prophylactic to 10,000 health care workers and others at high risk of contracting SARS-CoV-2. In Norway, doctors expect to begin administering the drug to hospitalized patients. And in Thailand, clinicians are preparing for a clinical trial comparing various combinations of antivirals, including chloroquine.
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(About the FDA denial: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-19/trump-touts-malaria-drug-as-potential-coronavirus-treatment)
Regarding the weekend comment by Darren Smith:
In the days of the Roman Republic, well before Julius Caesar, in times of emergency a dictator was appointed for six months. At the end of that interval he was accountable to the Roman Senate for his conduct.
— David B Benson
Two months ago, January 20, 2020 – a date which will live in infamy – the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by the Communist People’s Republic of China.
The United States was at peace with that nation and, wittingly or unwittingly, through criminal dereliction and negligence and attempting to obtain the cloak of plausible deniability, the People’s Republic of China released on the world the COVID-19 biological weapon.
China has, therefore, undertaken a surprise offensive extending throughout the World. The Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy has directed his entire Cabinet that all measures be taken for the defense of the United States.
With confidence in the United States Center For Disease Control and with the unbounding determination of the American people the Untied States will gain the inevitable triumph so help us God.
Congress must declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by China on January 20, 2020, a state of war has existed between the United States and China.
Trump tweet at 10:00 am today:
“HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE & AZITHROMYCIN, taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine. The FDA has moved mountains – Thank You! Hopefully they will BOTH (H works better with A, International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents)…..”
WebMD:
“Does Azithromycin Tablet Macrolide Antibiotics Interact with other Medications?
Severe Interactions
These medications are not usually taken together. Consult your healthcare professional (e.g., doctor or pharmacist) for more in formation.
QT PROLONGING AGENTS/HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE
There are trials all over the world, and articles already published. Two of them under study are chloroquinine with Z pack, and chloroquinine with an HIV med.
Trump is commenting on a promising clinical trial. The point of the trials is to find efficacy and safety.
I should have added remdesivir. It is an Ebola medication that has been used off label for covid-19 patients with some promising results. So that’s another good avenue to follow.
Trials can take a long time. It typically takes 10 years to bring an investigational new drug through the entire process. Less so for adding another use to a label of an established drug.
The FDA is working on fast tracking. That movie Outbreak fantasized about how rapidly and easily a cure would be found.
So Karen, you will defend anything Trump does or says, no matter how ignorant or dangerous.
Good to know, though previously only assumed.
“So Karen, you will defend anything Trump does or says, no matter how ignorant or dangerous.”
Pretty much.
If you cannot recognize and admit at least ten positive things the President has done in the span of this past week, you don’t know enough for your opinion to matter.
And if you’re unable or unwilling to try, you’re probably possessed – just an fyi
you’re probably possessed – just an FYI
Good one.
Then there is St John Henry Newman, a Catholic Saint worthy to emulate
To live is to change, and to be perfect is to have changed often.
em, it is in Trump’s job description to do positive things all day every day. Hey mine too and probably yours. If I repeatedly lie to my clients and suggest they engage in dangerous behavior while making excuses for a looming disaster and telling them how great I am, that kind of counts against the positive things and would probably be what they remember.
Why don’t you tell us what 10 things he did you rate as positive?
Still waiting for your response regarding your national debt and balanced budget comment. That is if you really have an interest beyond whining.
bythebook: I haven’t been criticizing every single thing he does for three years, so I don’t have to. I do however need to do some homework on Warren and Sanders because I haven’t said one nice thing about either one of them for months. I feel about them the way you feel about Trump.
I went ahead and made a list for Trump anyway – just stuff off the top of my head. But you know, here’s the difference. I could just as easily make a list of things he’s done that I’m not happy with as well. I’m not a “Trumper,” but I know some, and all of them are just as quick with the negatives as they are with the positives. All you Lemonites make fun of them, but a lot of them are much clearer thinkers – and way nicer to be around. Mostly because they’re not full of hate and rage.
When you’re able to post a list, I’ll post mine.
*bythebook: The Lemonites comment wasn’t directed at you – I meant it generally speaking.
em, I don’t know what a Lemonite is.
I’ve been fair and civil in my discussions with you, and don’t think I owe you an apology for being not “nicer to be around”. Nor have I personally attacked you as you are me here.
I’m not doing a list of any kind – that’s your idea, so run with it and I may respond. Given I don;t agree with Trump on much policy and I also recognize him as a lying selfish careless and insecure con man who insults those he disagrees with, there’s not much I can think of positive about him. But in the news recently, he activated the Defense Production Act – that’s a positive, though not something he uniquely thought of. However, as of his Friday press briefing – when he attacked reporters and the press again for doing their job – he has not used it yet even though we have multiple shortages of needed supplies for the crisis.
He’s not a leader, and we need one – oops, another negative – a fact confirmed by how little he accomplished legislatively (thankfully) when he controlled both houses of Congress for 2 years. He did get Republicans to approve a tax cut, and we all know how they hate to do that.
bythebook, you have been civil with me, and the whole: people who subscribe to Don Lemon-clearer thinkers-nicer to be around statement wasn’t intended for you – I had other people in mind and shouldn’t have used the generic “you.” It was a mistake.
I’m surprised you listed invoking the Defense Production Act since he hasn’t made any use of it – other than to bolster the markets. But I agree with his rationale for not using it – so long as it works the way he thinks it will. It’s much better for businesses to choose to pitch in than it is to force them to pitch in. It takes time for things to move, and they were moving, but the media’s not reporting on that. They’re cherry picking the negatives. Which brings me to Peter Alexander.
I didn’t like the way he snapped at that reporter either. That’s on my list of negatives, too – but I understood why he did it. I think he was right to call out the media – yet again, but he didn’t articulate his reasoning at all.
Em, ok, we’re good.
We disagree on attacking reporters. It’s their job to ask tough questions and if he can’t handle it……. That was not a tough question by Peter Alexander.
We disagree on the Defensive Production Act. We are in a crisis which not handled early could snowball, costing thousands – or more – lives. There are numerous shortages which should have been anticipated and if this is not the time to use that act, when is? Trump was asked for specifics on who was gearing up and starting to produce and he demurred. If something is happening, tell us. These are not frivolous questions nor should it be a secret left to newspapers to uncover.
I actually agree with you on the Defensive Production Act – but if enough businesses actually made that transition to necessary production on their own, is there still a reason to force them – to co-opt their willingness? My agreement’s here: that the heavy arm of the federal government still needed to be felt, and it needs to be on the scene to ensure that this production is happening and happening asap. And maybe it was, I don’t know.
I thought Dr. Fauci gave the appropriate response to the instances the media were pointing out.
It’s their job to ask tough questions and if he can’t handle it……
Thanks for the chuckle. You win the clueless award for the day.
Ten things I give Trump credit for this week:
1) He mended things with Cuomo.
2) He listened to suggestions made by the Democrats in Congress.
3) He personally restarted the White House press briefings.
4) He’s insisting on specifics in the national aid bill that will make it more difficult for corrupt executives to misuse the government’s assistance.
5) He clarified a reporter’s question for the head of FEMA today (Saturday).
6) He’s been pushing back against the CCP propaganda machine – whether or not you like the way he’s gone about it.
7) He’s given Schumer and even Pelosi some credit for their efforts despite the way he feels about them.
8) The media insists he’s simply been downplaying the severity of the pandemic with sunshine and false hope, but considering how much of an effect his comments – and those of the media – have on the market, I appreciate that he’s pushing back against the apocalyptic portrait they insist on painting (Peter Alexander).
9) He’s starting to temper his criticisms of the CCP with praise for the Chinese people – and even the government which makes me hesitate – but at least he’s offering some positivity there.
10) It’s been fascinating (and frustrating – FLORIDA) to see the relationship between and state and federal government working the way it was designed to – not in every instance, but still – in visible ways, and it’s nice to see the federal government trying to assist without getting its fat fingers in the way.
Just saw this. Most what you describe is just doing his job, and after causing much of the problems himself – credit for restarting WH press briefings? He stopped them and he is using them mostly as PR exercises and if he doesn’t unlikely they will continue. Peter Alexander accurately summed up the current situation and teed it up for Trump to reassure the public.
PS An informed commentary
http://www.startribune.com/coronavirus-pandemic-what-s-normal-now-what-s-next-an-interview-with-michael-osterholm/568978932/
Well, that’s my list. I thought those were positive things. And just because someone’s doing their job doesn’t mean we don’t give them credit for it – particularly when we’re already pointing out the negatives.That’s a really terrible habit because it creates a toxic environment – which is something the media’s particularly guilty of with Trump and Republicans. They literally have become an arm of the opposition party. I look at the way they ask their questions, and ask myself, is this the way they would have worded that for Biden or Obama?
When Mr. Alexander stated that was, “a softball,” my immediate reaction was – yeah, a softball to the face. The way he worded it, the way he set it up with the previous question, he used just the right wording to get under President Trump’s – very thin skin – and get away with it. I think he achieved an effect greater than was hoping for. A softball would have been simply, “Mr. President, what do you say to Americans who are scared right now?” No, Peter Alexander and NBC are not victims.There’s some bad blood between that group and Trump – plenty of blame to go around. Also, the President’s under even more pressure and scrutiny than ever and getting even less sleep than usual, so I consider that too. Maybe I shouldn’t, but I do. He’s a lot more stressed than Peter Alexander, that’s for sure.
As for asking difficult questions, yes please, but if people like Mr. Alexander spent as much effort weighing their words in consideration of the volatility of the markets and line of supply as they do in contriving laparoscopic jabs, it would only help.
No, I don’t like the way Trump responded. That particular episode resulted in:
Left wing media- 1
President Trump- 0
They shouldn’t be keeping score at a time like this, but they are. Which says something about their motivations.
em, the toxic environment was begun by Trump – see as far back as the GOP primary debates with the nicknames and calling one candidates wife ugly and his father an assassin. The only thin unfair here is that the reporters feel constrained by a fear of losing their position from slapping down the often obvious lies Trump tells as well as the insults he lobs at them. His power and the supposed dignity of the office keeps anyone from getting back in his face as he deserves.
If you watch any WH press conference from Obama or Ws days, you will see the press asking tough questions. That’s their job!
Nothing Peter said was untrue or outrageous and it’s not his job to spin it.
I suggest you watch a Gov Cuomo press conference – he just did one – to see how you tell the truth while offering a plan and hope. Specifically, he said he advised Trump to decentralize test kit development because of all the labs – private and otherwise – across the country and the problem with running it all through the CDC bottleneck. He now advises he use the Defense Procurement Act on medical supplies, partly to be sure production is being ramped up, partly because states are now in bidding wars for things like masks, which are much more expensive than a month ago, and partly to be sure resources are allocated based on need, not who pays more. Hopefully Trump gets the message and acts.
bythebook, I have been watching Governor Cuomo’s briefings and really appreciate how he’s been conducting them.
That’s a very good point about using the defense act to ameliorate the bidding wars. If there are businesses with any capacity to contribute right now just sitting on the sidelines, there’d better be a real good reason for it. I’m looking around for accurate information on this, but haven’t found anything useful yet.
Cuomo got caught flat-footed too, but I don’t blame him – everybody did – except the alarmists, but I blame them for constantly sounding the alarm over everything! It’s the boy who cried wolf! all over again.
There’s too much in-hindsight blame right now. Most everybody should be accepting some responsibility for this crisis, not playing hot-potato with it.
I admire Cuomo for focusing on the task at hand and offering pointed, excellent suggestions. Let’s see what the President does with them – getting set to hear what Gov. Cuomo has to say this afternoon. Thank you for bringing him up, and for posting that article. I read through it, but I’m going to go through it again.
bythebook – can the defense production act be used to give the authority to compel businesses to the state governments during a crisis? Seems like it would be more efficient for state and local leaders to be able to direct those efforts than the federal government.
em, I don’t know , but doubt that authority can be passed on. As per Cuomo, this is not a situation that would benefit from decentralization. You need allocation between places of need and price setting.
“not a situation that would benefit from decentralization.”
People are not predictable. Being told what to do against one’s wishes doesn’t produce the best of responses and dividing things up equally instead of using price frequently means that goods end up in the hands of the least needy.
Washington even with Trump at the help is not the best setting to force policy on an individual level.
We have seen famines in socialist nations that act in the fashion you suggest even though there is more food that could be produced than can be eaten.
bythebook; Allen – did you get a chance to see Gov. Cuomo’s Sunday briefing?
I think he explained the proper roles and relationships of the States and Federal government really well today – why some things needed to be decentralized (like testing – which NY could manage better on their own) while other things were better in the hands of the federal government. Regarding getting relevant businesses in NY on board, Gov. Cuomo said he’s already done that, but it’s not going to be enough for states like his or Washington, or California.
If they’re going to ride this out, they need a much higher production rate than they can produce. They need help from businesses throughout the country, and that’s completely out of their power. Only the President can do that at this point.
btw he’s not blaming or attacking the President the way the media is. He explained very clearly why the Federal Government has not yet stepped in at this point, but he also made it very clear that for NY, that time is now.
Em, I saw Cuomo the other day, not today. He and the President have acted amicably and reasonably. We have to remember Cuomo is a politician and gets his information in the normal channels most chief executives get it. His dealings with the people and Trump are his own based on his history in politics. Trump is not a politician but a businessman who is quite accomplished. He too gets his medical information from similar types of people but he is very used to dealing with information and acting according to business experience. (If he makes the wrong decision he loses a lot of money). Both parties silently are appealing to the people setting themselves up to look good so that means to me that some of what they say openly is to appeal to their own voters and not necessarily in the best interests of the country. They revise some of what they say privately in their actions.
Some things are best in the hands of the federal government if sparingly used and generally those things are always in the federal government’s domain. Too much force by the federal government doesn’t necessarily increase production. It can actually decrease it. What the President is doing is pushing states to act to the fullest extent to protect their own citizens. That is good because that leaves the federal government in the position of being able to fill a few very needed holes rather than a lot of holes that weren’t terribly necessary to fill leading to depletion of resources the federal government has making it less able to help to the most needy.
“It’s been fascinating (and frustrating – FLORIDA)”
Em, I’m not trying to start a long discussion here rather I wanted to have a clarification of “– FLORIDA”. My assumption is that we are all blaming Florida for the crazy behaviour of our children on the beaches and in the bars. Is that really a fault of Florida? These kids came from all over the country so the act was based on the actions of many from many different states. What we should be asking ourselves is what those parents of those children were thinking when they packed them off? Maybe that would be harsh because many left during the beginning of the holiday when things were in flux regarding the CCP virus or what I like to call (inaccurately) the Corona Virus :-). That is what the kids were doing, chilling out drinking Corona and acting as kids whose parents may have flubbed in their act of parenting.
(Note: The beaches were packed and one could ‘hardly’ see the sand. Now they are padlocked in the populated areas so that the kids can go back to their parents and grandparents. That presents another problem. The parents mistake along with the kids lack of caring might kill grandma.)
Allan, I mentioned Florida only because it seemed like a good example of the inherent risk of respecting state sovereignty. They don’t always act in the interest of the nation. They weighed the pros and cons – raking in hundreds of million of dollars vs potentially producing a massive culture of COVID-19 and essentially coughing it up on the rest of the country…which is what they may have done.
They took a risk that I think was avaricious and irresponsible. I agree with you that those children and their parents bear the ultimate responsibility for anyone those kids kill, but the state and local government and businesses that facilitated share the blame. They really took a gamble. Maybe they’ll luck out, maybe they won’t. We’ll see. If even one innocent person dies or has her/his life interrupted as a result, I’ll consider it a bust.
Em part of federalism is acknowledging that states and people might not do the things the federal government thinks are best. If the states are forced to do what the federal government says on local issues then federalism disappears. In the case of COVID-19 each locality is different so there has to be different methods of handling things on the state and local level.
I’m no expert on Florida but I believe the State followed the guidelines of the federal government. When the people (the one’s that are supposed to rule) decided all over the country not to use common sense it was the people (in this case the parents) that are at fault. Actually we really aren’t sure of the right way of handling the problem and since we are dealing with humans things are unpredictable. In any event Florida locked up the beaches in the counties where the problems existed and I believe left them open elsewhere. Beaches are good places to walk and be outside but not to congregate in large numbers.
I don’t know that the rationale behind leaving the beaches open was avaricious or not. I don’t know if one has the knowledge to draw that conclusion. Many of the kids were already in Florida and one thinks of beaches as wide open with lots of room. There is but the kids congregated only in particular areas. Many people in normal times walk up or down the beach so that they get away from everyone else.
We cannot predict what the kids will do wherever they are. They are not fully matured or ripe as some people say so no matter what one’s plans are to control them they always find a way to avoid such control.
With all that being said I am not so sure we are doing the best thing with such strict isolation. If it is short term I have no comment, but if it is long term then the jolt to the economy will (in my opinion) kill more people than the virus. The virus doesn’t necessarily disappear because of these actions. The actions we are taking I believe are geared to prevent the hospitals and the medical system from becoming overloaded.
Bythebook:
Again, you lied about me. I posted an article that was calm, rational, and pointed out one of Trump’s missteps just today.
If you have to keep lying, and attacking the messenger, that means you are unable to deal with the facts. Pity. You sound very similar to a poster who was banned for repeatedly breaking the civility rule.
Suck it up, Karen.
Karen, tell me what lie you think I told about you. I don’t think I did.
Bythebook:
My comment specified the latest lie you told about me. You said, “So Karen, you will defend anything Trump does or says, no matter how ignorant or dangerous.”
As stated, I included an article that day on that very blog post outlining both where Trump had erred, and what Democrats had misrepresented. Every time you repeat this lie, that I refuse to acknowledge Trump’s faults, I point you to the latest fair criticism I have given of our President.
I am not a true believer. I call it how I see it.
I also included plenty of links to the times that you’ve called me names, in that thread where you claimed you were an adult who did not call anyone names.
2:04 p.m.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/21/coronavirus-latest-news/#link-4NZU2V56LVC3LFZ5NBXEAFFMNY
Excerpt:
Fauci disputes Trump on available treatment drugs, says it’s about hope v. proof
Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, was asked at the daily White House coronavirus news briefing about an hours-earlier tweet by Trump that claimed the FDA was working on a combination of an anti-malaria drug and an antibiotic that could treat the infection.
“I’m not totally sure what the president was referring to,” Fauci said, but said he believes Trump was referring to one anecdotal study that showed that combination could be effective.
Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE & AZITHROMYCIN, taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine. The FDA has moved mountains – Thank You! Hopefully they will BOTH (H works better with A, International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents)…..
Trump was no longer present when he said that.
“There are those who lean to the point of giving hope and saying give that person the option of having access to that drug,” Fauci said. “And then you have the other group, which is my job as a scientist, to say my job is to ultimately prove without a doubt that a drug is not only safe, but that it actually works.”
Anthony Fauci was ready for this. America was not.
Earlier in the news briefing, Trump addressed this tension.
“I feel like, as the expression goes, what do we have to lose?,” Trump said, about using the untested drug combo. “Because, you know, I feel very I feel very good about it. Tony would feel, you know, like he’d like samples done in a certain way. And I understand that many doctors agree with it. We don’t have much time.”
“Fauci disputes Trump on available treatment drugs, says it’s about hope v. proof” -via the link, above
‘“I’m not totally sure what the president was referring to,” Fauci said, but said he believes Trump was referring to one anecdotal study that showed that combination could be effective.’
“…one anecdotal study…”
Thanks for the WebMD info, bythebook.
WebMD:
“Does Azithromycin Tablet Macrolide Antibiotics Interact with other Medications?
Severe Interactions
These medications are not usually taken together. Consult your healthcare professional (e.g., doctor or pharmacist) for more in formation.
QT PROLONGING AGENTS/HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE
QT prolonging. I assume Anon has gotten a bit of information that he knows little about and I assume he is referring to the QT interval seen on an electrocardiogram. He is trying to look smart but actually this makes him look dumb. Many medications can cause contraindications but they are used because the benefit exceeds the risk. The QT interval is no different and can be monitored. That is one of the reasons they do drug trials before using drugs on a large population.
Trump’s tweet is correct with or without the QT interval problem. Fauci and Trump look at things from different perspectives. Fauci mentioned that in an interview. Neither one is wrong.
Allan is not a licensed medical professional, but he might play one on TV. We call him Allan-Jethro Bodine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnVaSBoBt5s
(Again, Allan is not a doctor or lawyer…, but he may be an Indian Chief.)
Allan’s “giant brain” well-known around these parts:
Allan’s “giant brain” is well-known around these parts…
Anonymous the Stupid, I may not be a physician and I might not even be college educated but one thing is certain. You are Stupid. I am not.
lol
Allan can’t help but project his deficiencies onto others.
With you Anonymous the Stupid there is no reason for anyone to have to project. All one has to look at are your repetive posts sometimes several in a row. They can figure out for themselves you are a nut and a Stupid one at that.
Another worthless comment from Allan the Blog-Idiot.
These are responses Anonymous the Stupid to your Stupid repetitive responses. But in these responses you are telling me that you know you are Stupid because you are trying to “get” me and you don’t bother with the things I write that have merit. Do you know why? You can’t. You are too Stupid. Thanks for indirectly admitting that.
Allan the Idiot can’t help himself. Just a lot of blah, blah, blah.
“You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it’s an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.”
– Rahm Emanuel
This false panic is a communist (liberal, progressive, socialist, democrat) scam designed to obtain more and evermore “free stuff,” oh, and power for power’s sake (right, three-time Hillary?). The communists will impose massive, “emergency,” charitable spending which will not be removed when the “emergency” is over. America is still paying for the “temporary” “emergency” “free stuff” generated by Comrade Franklin D. Roosevelt et al.
Spring Breakers are full of COVID-19 while remaining asymptomatic. Many people have had the disease and rid themselves of it; Tom Hanks and his wife being one example. If COVID-19 were an actual existential threat, there would be no hope and no point to opposing it.
Panic, by contrast, is a real, tangible mental/emotional disease created and propagated by dictatorial communists salivating over the power they can now taste and which is nearly within their grasp.
Have you stopped the calamitous and lethal pandemic?
“Have you stopped beating your wife?”
“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”
– William Casey, CIA Director 1981-1987
It’s not just America that’s falling for this scam, it’s the whole world. And the scientists are in on it. We already knew they were all commies because they’re also behind the fake climate change panic. Casey should have said:
“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything that scientists say is false.”
Thank you.
I stand corrected.
Like this?
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023
https://theintercept.com/2020/02/27/coronavirus-spending-bill-surveillance-patriot-act/
Trump’s Touting Of Malaria Drug Creates Confusion And Shortages
At a long-winded White House briefing on Friday, President Trump enthusiastically and repeatedly promoted the promise of two long-used malaria drugs that are still unproven against the coronavirus, but being tested in clinical trials.
“I’m a smart guy,” he said, while acknowledging he couldn’t predict the drugs would work. “I feel good about it. And we’re going to see. You’re going to see soon enough.”
But the nation’s leading infectious disease expert, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, delicately — yet forcefully — pushed back from the same stage, explaining that there was only anecdotal evidence that the drugs, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, may be effective.
Mr. Trump’s boosterish attitude toward the drugs has deepened worries among doctors and patients with lupus and other diseases who rely on the drugs, because the idea that the old malaria drugs could work against the coronavirus has circulated widely in recent weeks and fueled shortages that have already left people rushing to fill their prescriptions.
“Rheumatologists are furious about the hype going on over this drug,” said Dr. Michael Lockshin, of the Hospital for Special Surgery in Manhattan. “There is a run on it and we’re getting calls every few minutes, literally, from patients who are trying to stay on the drug and finding it in short supply.”
The moment of discord between Mr. Trump and one of the nation’s most trusted authorities on the coronavirus was a clash between opinion and fact. It threw Mr. Trump’s faith in his own instincts into conflict with the careful, evidence-based approach of scientists like Dr. Fauci, who has held his position since the presidency of Ronald Reagan. Mr. Trump appeared eager to sweep aside long-established standards for evaluating drugs in order to champion the remedy he favors.
Edited From: “Trump’s Embrace Of Unproven Drugs To Treat Coronavirus Defies Science”
The New York Times, 3/20/20
So Trump cannot comment on a clinical trial? Chinese doctors already recommended them. That’s why they were in trials. As was pointed out, this is all over the internet. Elon Musk recently Tweeted about it. You are being savagely partisan. This is a medical emergency, and we should be working together, not making up more accusations to blame Republicans for a global pandemic.
Runs on toilet paper spread. Then ground beeef. Then eggs. Why would you blame Trump that there are shortages on the drug that’s all over the news as showing promise for covid-19? It’s over the counter. In what world do you think an OTC medication could be mentioned in the media as possibly helpful for covid-19, and not have a run? Many cough and cold medicines have been emptied from shelves. Manufacturers need to pump out more to meet demand. And they will.
The last I checked, the treatment protocol recommended by China, and under testing, is a combination of chloroquine and an HIV medicine. Another combination under study is chloroquinine and a Z pack.
Yet you blame Trump. Trump calls for calm, and you blame him for blowing it off. There are toilet paper runs, and you blame Trump. China lied about Covid-19 and allowed it to spread for weeks and you blame Trump. Trump has been saying for 3 years we need to control our borders and manufacture our own goods, and you blame Trump for the virus crossing our borders. Trump enacts travel bans and it’s called extremist. Trump blames communist China for abusing its doctors who tried to sound the alarm, and he’s called racist. The CDC fumbled test kits, so Trump threw it open to private labs, which are producing millions of tests, and you claim he’s caused covid-19 to spread.
This is disgusting. I can have a rational discussion on what we can learn from this outbreak, what to do differently next time, and what, in retrospect, was not the right move. But this is irrational. Screeching partisan warfare putting politics above people’s lives.
https://www.businessinsider.com/malaria-pill-chloroquine-tested-as-coronavirus-treatment-2020-3
Agreed.
Karen, if Trump doesn’t know what he’s talking about, he should just shut up. We don’t expect the president to have pharmaceutical knowledge.
if Trump doesn’t know what he’s talking about, he should just shut up.
Irony is dead.
😂
“The New York Times, 3/20/20”
Thank God for the NYTImes. It is times like this where there is shortages that the Times comes to the rescue. Their news is spun trash but the pages are wide and can be used during the shortage of toilet paper.
Someone intentionally coughs on me and they’ll be missing their front teeth. It’s difficult to pick up your teeth with a broken arm.
I saw an older lady in a grocery store last week who was trying to get past a group of people who were blocking the aisle.They were too busy with each other and didn’t hear her asking to get past them.
So she faked coughing to get their attention. It worked. They made a path for her to go through.
I was at Trader Joe’s getting fresh produce for the shutdown, when an older lady suddenly started a hacking, wet cough with her mouth wide open. Didn’t cover her mouth. Didn’t cough in her elbow. Just walked along with a wet cough. Everyone looked horrified and sucked back instinctively. As I have asthma, I found it worrying.
One wonders if she had no one to go out for her. Or if she was one of the many walking around with what they thought were colds. If at all possible, people who are sick should stay home. People in my community have been so good, offering to go out shopping for the elderly. I wish more people were like that.
Those SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus lifetimes on various substances is highly misleading. The viruses have an exponential decay in the time until the chemicals decompose. It is similar to the exponential decay of the radioactive nucleus.
So detecting the coronavirus on any substrate after any amount of time depends on how much was placed there.
The times given in this thread are misleading nonsense.
— David B Benson
“You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it’s an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.”
– Rahm Emanuel
This false panic is a communist (liberal, progressive, socialist, democrat) scam designed to obtain more and evermore “free stuff,” oh, and power for power’s sake (right, three-time Hillary?). The communists will impose massive, “emergency,” charitable spending which will not be removed when the “emergency” is over. America is still paying for the “temporary” “emergency” “free stuff” generated by Comrade Franklin D. Roosevelt et al.
Spring Breakers are full of COVID-19 while remaining asymptomatic. Many people have had the disease and rid themselves of it; Tom Hanks and his wife being one example. If COVID-19 were an actual existential threat, there would be no hope and no point to opposing it.
Panic, by contrast, is a real, tangible mental/emotional disease created and propagated by dictatorial communists salivating over the power they can now taste and which is nearly within their grasp.
Have you stopped the calamitous and lethal pandemic?
“Have you stopped beating your wife?”