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“I Swear I Hit Them”: Wisconsin Doctor and Spouse Allegedly Executed By Boyfriend of Daughter
Khari Sanford, left, and Ali'jah Larrue face charges in connection with the shooting deaths of a Wisconsin doctor and her husband, authorities say. (Dane County Sheriff's Office)

In any crisis, a strange array of crimes emerge that are shaped by the crisis. We have already discussed a variety of pandemic crimes from assaults over social distancing rules to coughing on vegetables to attempts to surpass purchasing rules. There have also been murder-suicides with people who feared that they had the virus. With business burglaries up 75 percent in New York, some crimes are merely opportunistic and predictable while others add a level of depravity that is especially shocking. Wisconsin now has a particularly sad and bizarre murder to add to this list. A doctor and her husband were apparently dragged from their home and executed in March. One of the two suspects is the boyfriend of their daughter. Dr. Beth Potter, 52, and husband Robin Carre, 57, had paid for their daughter, Miriam (“Mimi’) Carre, and her reported boyfriend to Khari Sanford, 18, (left) to live in a separate apartment to protect against the spread of coronavirus (due to an underlying health condition). Potter was a professor at the University of Wisconsin and her death has shocked the academic community as well as the community at large. Sanford and his friend, Ali’jah Larrue, 18, (right) are now charged in the murder and police say that the daughter’s account stands contradicted on Sanford’s whereabouts at the time of the crime. ABC News has reported that bail is set at $1 million.

One report says that the couple moved the daughter and Sanford to an apartment because they refused to do social distancing despite the risk to the older couple.

The two victims were found in a ditch. The motive appears to be a burglary but they were then kidnapped and taken to the University of Wisconsin Arboretum, near the Madison campus. Each was shot in the back of the head. Potter was wearing pajamas and socks while Carre was wearing only underwear.

Police have a witness in a high school friend of Sanford who said that he came to his house and called Larrue to say that he heard one of them survived and might implicate them. In reality, Potter died at the hospital. The witness said Sanford exclaimed “I swear I hit them, how did they survive.” He also alleged told the witness that he shot them both in the back of the head.

What is unclear is the role of the daughter. Police say that she told them that Sanford was with her the night of murder but, according to the State Journal, investigators say that her story was contradicted by text messages. Police are also looking at GPS and phone data. Police stated that Mimi remained extremely loyal to Sanford in their interviews.

Sanford has an arrest history. He previously lived with foster parents but was charged with felony auto theft last year Middleton near Madison. According to the criminal complaint, his foster parents went to Africa and disabled the home’s security camera and stole their car. He was later found sleeping in the car. He was allowed to enter the deferred prosecution program but later posted a picture on Facebook brandishing a gun.

Some of Sanford’s social postings could raise legal issues. In one posting, he wrote “we gon change this world, cause it’s time to let our diversity and youth shine over all oppressive systems and rebuild our democracy.” In yet another post, he wrote “Used to be a wild child I had to calm down…came from nothin.” Those postings are likely to cause a pre-trial fight over admissibility, if there is a trial as opposed to a plea. The first one is clearly immaterial to a trial in my view while the second one may be too prejudicial to pass pre-trial review.

Surveillance video showed a minivan similar to one owned by Carre with confirming GPS movements. That makes for a pretty devastating case. The question over the daughter’s possible culpability remains. If the police are correct, Mimi Carre could be charged as a co-conspirator or an accessory after the fact. It is also a crime to knowingly make false statements to police investigators or committing acts which impede a criminal investigation.

Potter worked at the Wingra Family Medical Center, run by the UW-Madison Department of Family Medicine and Community Health and Access Community Health Centers. She also was medical director of UW Health’s Employee Health Services. Carre was a consultant who was also the head of a Madison youth soccer club. They have three children in their teens and twenties. They were pillars of their community and both worked diligently on the improvement of youth health and wellbeing.

323 thoughts on ““I Swear I Hit Them”: Wisconsin Doctor and Spouse Allegedly Executed By Boyfriend of Daughter”

    1. Squeeky

      I take some comfort out of the fact that when Whites become a minority, Hispanics and Asians will not tolerate Black shenanigans. And they don’t won’t melt when you can them a slur.

      antonio

        1. “If all earthly power were given me,” said Lincoln in a speech delivered in Peoria, Illinois, on October 16, 1854, “I should not know what to do, as to the existing institution [of slavery]. My first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia, to their own native land.” After acknowledging that this plan’s “sudden execution is impossible,” he asked whether freed blacks should be made “politically and socially our equals?” “My own feelings will not admit of this,” he said, “and [even] if mine would, we well know that those of the great mass of white people will not … We can not, then, make them equals.”

      2. What did the American Founders in America intend Americans to be when immigrants became Americans in America. Oh my, what a surprise! Who’d a thunk it? And Chinese in China and Japanese in Japan and Saudi Arabians in Saudi Arabia and East Timorans in East Timor and Liechtensteinians in Liechtenstein and Bhutanese in Bhutan and Qataris in Qatar, etc.

        And now, for a little perspective; four times the American Founders required citizens to be “…free white person(s)…”
        ___________________________________________________________________________________________

        Naturalization Acts of 1790, 1795, 1798 and 1802

        United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” March 26, 1790

        Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person,

  2. Madison, Wisconsin Is 8% Black: In 2018, 83% of Homicides and 69% of Gun Crime Were Committed by Blacks.

    An inconvenient truth, a “hate fact” but true nonetheless.

    antonio

  3. I didn’t say this earlier, but I will say this now, there is no way to predict such a cold-blooded double homicide. Just bc someone has a grand theft auto, does not mean they will then go murder humans. But there is a fact that when those murder, it is usually someone close to you, and not a random stranger.

  4. Anonymous– If you want to believe the NYT, then believe that voter fraud occurs on both sides.

    All the more reason for us to join hands at stop voter fraud by purging rolls of deadwood, requiring voter ID, and having in person voting.

    But the NYT hasn’t been very truthful in my view. Voter fraud is mostly a Democrat problem, but punish anyone of any party who does it. It harms the country no matter who does it.

    2. Young, show us a list of counties or city districts where voting fraud is common. Republicans must know which examples to share.

      This “Voting Fraud lie pretends Republicans dont exist in California. Like they wouldn’t know where the fraud is rampant. Of course they’d know. Devine Nunes would tell Trump where to look for fraud. Districts where william Barr can make a federal case.

      But none of that has happened.

      1. Hey, Einstein, see if you can wrap your tiny brain around this: Most voter fraud occurs in BLUE states… for the benefit of lefty candidates… and it is not only rarely investigated by the lefty, Soros-funded AG’s… it is almost never prosecuted.
        Why? DUH!

        1. Prove it JJ. Trump set up a commission for that purpose which folded after 4 months because it couldn’t.

        1. I see today that when they are offered proof, there never is a retraction, not even a qualification.

          The old stories of fraud in chicago are dated but i mention them because they hinged on the use of abstentee ballots,. that was the method of cheating used.

          the newer story from mayor pete’s hometown i toss in there because it was not very long ago, considering that hillary and obama are still with us and very powerful.

          there are some interesting incidents of fraud in florida that have seen prosecution too, but i wont bother since when proof is offered it just gets ignored anyways. this happens to me on a daily basis here.

      4. clearly you lack basic internet skills. People have gone to jail on a regular basis for voter fraud. it’s not reported because the corrupt liberal governments won’t prosecute it and the few times they are prosecuted the media simply buries the stories. Are you a moron?

  5. “Republican Cries Against Voter Fraud Go Mostly Quiet After Scheme Tied to Party”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/us/republican-voter-fraud.html

    By Alan Blinder and Michael Wines
    Feb. 22, 2019

    RALEIGH, N.C. — Republican politicians across the country have for years railed against the threat of voter fraud. Some have made unproven claims about how rampant it has become in order to pass voter ID laws and open sweeping investigations. The sanctity of the vote, they have said, must be protected at all costs.

    But when a hard-fought congressional election in North Carolina — in which a Republican candidate appeared to narrowly beat his Democratic opponent — was overturned this week because of election fraud by a Republican political operative, the party was measured, and largely muted, in its response.

    The state party chairman, Robin Hayes, issued a statement after officials ordered a new election calling the affair “a tremendously difficult situation for all involved.” National Republicans have been mostly mum. President Trump, who has made election fraud one of the hallmarks of his administration, was quiet on Twitter, although on Friday, facing reporters at the Oval Office, he condemned fraud — “all of it, and that includes North Carolina.”

    Mark Harris, the Republican nominee, had eked out a 905-vote lead over Dan McCready. But the North Carolina Board of Elections refused to certify Mr. Harris as the winner and opened an investigation into irregularities. This week, the five-member board, made up of Republicans and Democrats, convened an evidentiary hearing in Raleigh at which witnesses described a voter-turnout effort that relied on the rogue collection of absentee ballots.

    In several hours of testimony on Thursday, after his campaign acknowledged that it had withheld damning records from the board, Mr. Harris denied wrongdoing but also appeared to mislead regulators. He then surprised everyone by abandoning his claim to the Ninth Congressional District seat, which covers part of Charlotte and much of southeastern North Carolina.

    Witnesses detailed how people working for a Harris campaign operative, L. McCrae Dowless Jr., had filled out parts of some absentee ballots and improperly collected others. On Friday, Lorrin Freeman, the district attorney in Wake County, said she could seek charges within weeks against Mr. Dowless and some of the people he hired.

    “Obviously, it’s within the province of the grand jury as to whether they will return indictments,” Ms. Freeman said. “But do I anticipate there will be a criminal prosecution going forward? I do.”

    State Republicans, who over the past few years have tightened voting laws and had fought to preserve Mr. Harris’s victory, were far less vociferous in denouncing voter fraud than they have been in the past.

    That stands in marked contrast to 2016, when the state’s Republicans filed many complaints and claimed for a month that Roy Cooper, the Democrat who was elected governor that year, should not be seated because rampant fraud had enabled his victory. The charge proved baseless.

    The National Republican Congressional Committee, which organizes and finances the party’s House strategy, used the debacle in North Carolina to demand that Democrats support a national ban on the collection of absentee ballots — a practice that is legal in many states but not in North Carolina.

    Prosecutors in the Trump administration have been conducting a high-profile investigation in North Carolina for months to find noncitizens who cast illegal ballots, many of them in apparent ignorance of the law. But although the state elections board sent Justice Department officials evidence of absentee-ballot fraud by Mr. Dowless as early as January 2017, they took no action before last November’s House election, and it is unclear whether they are investigating the matter.

    In Oval Office remarks to reporters on Friday, Mr. Trump condemned voter fraud throughout the country, falsely claiming “they found a million fraudulent votes” in California, and calling the 2018 vote count in Florida a “catastrophe” because vote totals for Republican candidates decreased during recounts.

    But Mr. Trump said he looked forward to a final report on the disputed election in that state.

    Indeed, no one has been more vocal about the evils of rigged votes than Mr. Trump, who has repeatedly made the false claim that the 2016 election, in which he lost the popular vote to Hillary Clinton, was rife with Democratic fraud.

    And shortly before the midterms, when Democrats flipped the House, Mr. Trump said on Twitter that “all levels of government and Law Enforcement are watching carefully for VOTER FRAUD.”

    “Cheat at your own peril,” he warned.

    The president’s obsession led him to create a presidential commission charged with reining in voter fraud. Led by the Kansas secretary of state at the time, Kris Kobach, the panel sought voter data from all 50 states in an effort to prove the president’s theory of massive illegal voting. But the commission was disbanded after election officials from both parties refused to hand over the data and critics filed multiple lawsuits challenging its conduct.

    Mr. Kobach, who built his political career on thinly sourced allegations of unchecked illegal voting by noncitizens, said in an interview on Friday that it “is never appropriate for either side of the political debate to be silent about voter fraud.”

    “People who downplay it say it’s just a small percentage of the total vote, but that argument is meaningless in a close race,” he said.

    In a column on Breitbart News, Mr. Kobach suggested that the case was a comeuppance for Democrats and voting-rights advocates who oppose the stringent controls on voting that Republicans have enacted for a decade or more. But those restrictions, limiting who can vote and how ballots are cast, only shield elections from cheating by individual voters, a kind of fraud that experts say is exceptionally rare.

    The party has given scant attention to the more frequent kind of election fraud — the inside-job schemes in which campaigns or election officials manufacture fake votes and destroy their opponents’ real ones — that appears to have taken place in the Ninth District race. Absentee ballots are especially susceptible to manipulation.

    On Friday, Mr. Berger, the Republican state senator, resisted suggestions that his party had ignored the fraud potential and noted that state law already banned the misconduct outlined at the hearing this week. But he said, “I think it’s clear that something needs to be done if there’s a reasonable thing that can be done.”

    Alan Blinder and Michael Wines, New York Times

    1. You posted a lengthy, completely off-topic article sourced to the NY Times. The chance that anyone will read it is hovering near zero.

        1. i didnt bother looking at the title never mind the crap beneath it

          NYT, WahPutz, CNN, MSNBC….enemies of the people

      2. Off-topic? Skim the thread and you’ll see the discussion. Truth to be told, you don’t know whether anyone will read it or not. If it’s not of interest to you, then don’t read it. I don’t give a rat’s ass what you or Young think.

      2. Maybe this is a source that you’ll believe, JJ:

        “North Carolina political operative indicted in ballot fraud scandal”

        https://www.foxnews.com/politics/north-carolina-political-operative-arrested-in-ballot-fraud-scandal

        “Dowless, who was hired by Republican congressional candidate Mark Harris, was at the center of a ballot-harvesting operation during the 2016 election, according to evidence presented at a special state board of elections hearing.

        “In 2016, Dowless paid people to visit Bladen County voters and collect absentee ballots from them, a potential felony under North Carolina law, state elections board investigators said in a January 2018 report. “Workers employed by Dowless were required to hand-carry the ballots to Dowless in order to be paid,” the report said.”

        As Young said, above:

        “…punish anyone of any party who does it. It harms the country no matter who does it.”

    4. yup, it happens on both sides if that was your point. For every time it happens with a republican it’s already happened with a couple of million democrats. Sad that your miniature brain and limited intellect are unable to see the big picture.

  6. CKO7 says that voter ID is a burden on blacks in Texas because it is a big state and they may have to travel 170 miles to stand in line.

    God forbid that they should have to stand in line with the rest of us.

    But the rest of his claim is false. Most of the black population in Texas lives in dense urban areas.

    They should have no trouble getting voter ID.

    The opposition to voter ID is to further voting fraud.

    We need voter ID and in person voting except for the infirm to have honest elections.

    1. There is no evidence of voter fraud at polling locations of any significance. Even the task force Trump created to supposedly unmask the problem folded up with zippo and there have been numerous legitimate studies showing it to be miniscule and usually by error, not fraud. On the contrary we have the quotes of various GOP officials as to their intent to rig elections by suppressing chosen demographics. They are a minority party with diminishing members and it’s survival for them, not principle.

      Mots voter fraud is by mail in ballots and a recent election in NC featured it by the GOP. Given the possibility of the viral crisis extending into the fall, mail in ballots may be a necessity to have a fair and valid election. Some states are already providing mail in ballots automatically.

      1. As was mentioned below the task force did not come up with much because the Democrat governors refused access to voting records.

        What are they hiding?

      2. Not all voter fraud is by mail in ballots.

        The Democrat operative (husband of a senator) caught on video boasting of voter fraud spoke of busing in paid cheaters

  7. https://www.wsj.com/articles/caught-napping-by-coronavirus-11586387404

    Caught Napping by Coronavirus

    Surgeon General Jerome Adams was right: This virus is our Pearl Harbor, a catastrophic failure.

    Despite ample experience the past 20 years with viral pathogens, the one that finally spread across the U.S.—SARS-Cov-2—has produced panic, confusion, improvisation, damage and death.

    On Sunday, Surgeon General Jerome Adams described the coming weeks’ experience with coronavirus as “our Pearl Harbor moment.” Dr. Adams meant mortalities, but more relevant to this stark reality is that Pearl Harbor sits in America’s historical awareness as the epitome of unpreparedness for a known external threat.

    The most famous book written on the causes of this massive intelligence failure is Roberta Wohlstetter’s “Pearl Harbor: Warning and Decision.” Substitute “Coronavirus Pandemic” for “Pearl Harbor” and Wohlstetter’s book could have been written yesterday.

    “If our intelligence systems and all our other channels of information failed to produce an accurate image of Japanese intentions and capabilities,” she wrote, “it was not for want of the relevant materials.”

    Presumably relevant authorities in our time—the World Health Organization, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other scientific bodies—after analyzing Ebola, SARS, MERS and Zika, have known of a coming pandemic long enough to have a good idea of what we were in for.

    Wohlstetter notes myriad factors undermining decisions on Pearl Harbor: false alarms, which eroded urgency; interservice rivalries, which impeded coherence; and of course the multiple distractions of wartime. Today even normal life feels like the fog of war, with no one having enough hours in the day to focus on unfinished to-do lists.

    “They had no opportunity or time to make a critical review of the material,” Wohlstetter wrote of the war planners, “and each one assumed that others who had seen it would arrive at identical interpretations.” They didn’t do it then, and we haven’t now.

    Let’s tighten the focus on the current crisis. Andrew Lakoff, of the University of Southern California, is a historian and analyst of modern pandemics. His book’s all-too-apt title is “Unprepared.”
    In a conversation this week, Mr. Lakoff made a modest admission: “Even people like me who have been studying this material for a while find it quite strange to be living through it.” As Americans argue over the apparent lack of preparedness, he said, it’s important to note the important relationship between having experienced a national health crisis in real time and successfully preparing for one.

    South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong are being cited for their effective coronavirus responses. From 2002 to 2010, all had mortal battles with SARS, MERS and H1N1 swine flu. In the minimally affected U.S. and Europe, those threats were largely secondary, almost intellectualized abstractions.

    As well, the idea of transparency or information-sharing about infectious diseases is relatively new. During the 1990s, India and Latin American countries were reluctant to give the WHO access to reported outbreaks for fear the news would damage their trade and travel. China has re-proved the problem

    1. It is good to see that non-medical people are realizing the obvious: Coronavirus induced SARS is a big deal now because it arrived on our shores, while the countries that were hit by Coronavirus SARS 20 years ago were prepared today

      Woulda, coulda, shoulda…

      1. Nice piece of untruthful propaganda you have been saving up there Estovir.

        If it were true other countries would be better off then we are. They aren’t.

        1. Actually, Canada is better off, as are all of the affluent states of the Far East, as is Eastern Europe. Those worse off are the West European states and Iran.

          1. No, Canada is not better off.

            You have to wait for medical procedures even in normal times.

            They have a fraction of the equipment and ICU beds that we have.

            Over 60,000 Canadians come to America each year and pay for urgent care they can’t get in their free socialist system.

            The City of Pittsburgh has more MRI units than all of Canada.

            Canada is most certainly not better off they we are.

        2. You can put away your knife, big man. Im just sharing a WSJ piece that is behind a pay wall, that supports the many medical journals I have shared on this blog these past few weeks.

          Discourse is when you engage sourced articles.

    2. “Presumably relevant authorities in our time—the World Health Organization, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other scientific bodies—after analyzing Ebola, SARS, MERS and Zika, have known of a coming pandemic long enough to have a good idea of what we were in for.”

      http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

      yeah and they simulated it just back last october. weird, huh?

      1. A comment by the Richmond Fed CEO Thomas Barkin caught my attention yesterday that gave me pause. Tying it to the many pathologies that roam our country, and the death of Christendom as well, it made sense.

        All preventable had we heeded what took place 20 years ago in Asia and the Middle East due to a lousy virus that could have been de-fanged. As the WSJ made the point from the US Surgeon General: our modern pearl harbor

        Economic stimulus money can help soften the blow of the current crisis, but businesses that have been shut down by the coronavirus pandemic likely won’t see a significant recovery until consumers — whose spending drives 70 percent of U.S. economic activity — are confident that the health risk is under control, the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond said Tuesday.

        “Until people are comfortable shopping or traveling or eating out, you can throw as much money into [economic] stimulus as you want, but you are not going to get the reaction you want,” Thomas I. Barkin, the Richmond Fed’s president and CEO, said on a conference call with business leaders hosted by the Greater Washington Board of Trade.

        https://www.richmond.com/business/an-economic-recovery-in-this-crisis-depends-on-health-policy-richmond-fed-president-says/article_3b55ef73-5c46-525c-a47a-d4b199f37e9b.html

  8. President Trump mentioned the importance of voter ID to prevent voter fraud this afternoon.

    It has been opposed by the racist Democrat argument that blacks are less able to get ID than the rest of us and therefore voter ID is racist.

    A few years ago I was on a Caribbean island during an election and I heard the announcer on the cab radio mention their voter ID.

    I asked the cab driver if they really had voter ID. He said yes and, despite my objections as he negotiated a narrow crowded road while driving, pulled his voter ID from his pocket and handed it to me.

    If a small, predominately black, Third World country can require voter ID of its eligible voters, there is no sane, honest reason why it cannot be done in America.

    1. “If a small, predominately black, Third World country can require voter ID of its eligible voters, there is no sane, honest reason why it cannot be done in America.”
      **********************
      Look, Beyonce wants the right name, too! Good enough for “No Shady” Beyonce, good enough for us:

    2. It’s about access and disenfranchisement. The same states where GOP leadership is most vocal in support of voter IDs are the same states where large swaths of the black population has the most difficulty in accessing voter IDs. Take Texas for instance. The nearest ID office may be 170 miles away. Then you have to deal with the lines, the cost of transportation, the cost of identification to prove your identification, and the population with the least disposable income tend to be blacks, and as MIT studies have shown they’re most often questioned about identification and if you’re talking about an 80 year old grandmother having to take public transportation to get an ID to vote when she could otherwise mail in her ballot is that really fair?

      In my state they require my name and address to match my voter registration but no ID is required. If I gave the wrong info I wouldn’t be allowed to vote, and someone else would have to know my exact info to vote in my stead. The cases of actual voter fraud are so few and far between that it’s clearly a GOP ploy to discourage minority voting as there is ample statistical evidence proving the outcome where instituted. I’m not sure how this became a voter ID discussion…

      1. CK07:
        There is a lot of voter fraud and the reason we know that, is that Dim governors won’t let investigators near the voter rolls.

        On the ID issue: You need an ID to get on a plane, apply for things like Medicare/Medicaid (your old black lady example falls apart), apply for a job, apply to rent an apartment of get a mortgage, rent a hotel room, rescue a pet, buy a cell phone, get a license of any kind from the government, rent a car, see a physician and buy a Sudafed.

        Wanna tell em how many folks haven’t done any of these?

        1. Last election a few people were arrested for havesting votes among the homeless in LA.

          It’s a big problem in this country.

          And it is a disgrace.

          1. absentee ballots used to be collected by Dem party workers in Chicago by paying the citizens $5 a piece to sign off on blank ones, in the slums, some decades ago, according to disgraced lawyer and fed snitch Robert Cooley in this book

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Corruption_Was_King

            this is what he said, I’m just repeating it. feds thought he was credible enough to make him a star witness in various RICO anti-mafia trials, and he got convictions too

            maybe they’re going to dust this strategy off again ? just speculating

            1. Remember that Project Veritas has video of a Demo rat operative boasting about voter fraud.

              It’s real.

          2. Young – Arizona has passed a law outlawing vote harvesting. You can take yours and your significant others.

        2. True The Vote tried to address the problem and Obama harassed them with every federal agency he could.

          A couple of agents who showed up admitted they didn’t even know why they were there.

          Just their presence was meant to intimidate.

          Stasi attics.

        3. You need insurance, training, registration, yearly inspection, and testing to operate a vehicle but nada to own a gun, go figure.

          1. Sooo, you are saying Sanford should also be sued for negligent use of a firearm??? That seems a stretch to me.

            But seriously, you know guns are pretty simple to use. Just point and click! Plus, lots of people do have insurance because their homeowner’s insurance is usually a personal liability policy too.

            Squeeky Fromm
            Girl Reporter

        4. When I go to federal court and am routinely asked for a picture ID, I make a point to say the security guard, “Why do I need an ID for this but not for voting?” I do the same when catching a flight too.

          LET’S BE HONEST and stop the “moralizing” about disenfranchisement. The reason leftists oppose voter ID’s are because THEY BENEFIT FROM THOSE VOTERS who might not have one. I would at least respect leftists for their honesty if they were admit such but I will not hold my breath.

          I hate the high minded moralizing when trying to work backwards and justify a position, whether done by the left or by “conservatives”. Actually “conservatives” (i.e. national review, heritage foundation) are probably more worthless because they conserve very little. The National Review, Heritage Foundation, not to mention the NRA will be branded as terrorist groups in another 30 years in the “new” America.

        5. @mespo727272 studies show that besides blacks and Latinos being less likely to own Identification than whites, as MIT reports “ What prompts a state legislature to adopt a strict photo ID law appears to be a confluence of three factors: (1) a Republican takeover of the state government after years of Democratic control, (2) being a “battleground state” (i.e., a state hotly contested by the political parties, and (3) being racially heterogeneous. While these factors are not present in all states that have adopted strict photo ID laws, they are common to most.”

          So republicans who are well aware of Russian interference in our election as reported by multiple intelligence agencies would mostly rather spend nothing on investigating and preventing our elections being hacked wholesale by foreign entity, yet would want the election system revamped at great expense to require voting ID and ID checks at all polling places while also blocking absentee voting amid a pandemic? Yet it’s the Dems who are concerned with re-election when even Trump has said if it’s easier for Americans to vote republicans won’t win again. Most of the conservatives will slam me here for noting the legitimate disenfranchisement concerns of voter ID laws particularly when not rolled out properly or with concern to citizens with the least wealth, but turn a blind eye to foreign interference.

          Half of what they’re citing aren’t even examples of voter fraud at the booth, it’s ACORN like examples of unorthodox practices to get signatures in order to get names on a ballot at expense that are intentionally explained in a misleading fashion by conservative pundits to sound like actual voter fraud at the booth-and it’s ancient

          1. The GOP is playing a losing hand, and instead of trying to represent a bigger part of America they’ve decided to double down and cheat. From stealing a SC seat to voter suppression in various forms, and then backed up by that illegitimate SC majority. They admit it. They’ve been busted and had to reverse elections. Their own commission, set up by Trump after the election and headed by their supposed expert folded up with nothing.

            And there is no data suggesting anything other than completely insignificant instances of fraud at polling locations and those were likely mistakes, not fraud. The reason is simple: The risk is great to a perpetrator – it’s a felony – and the reward virtually non-existent. If the GOP was serious about voter fraud, they would concentrate on something other than voter IDs, like foreign interference – which Trump has done nothing about and is therefore still colluding with Russia in broad daylight – vote harvesting, and absentee ballot security.

            footnotes and sources at the link:

            “The vast majority of voter ID laws in the United States target only voter impersonation, of which there are only 31 documented cases in the United States from the 2000–2014 period.[4] According to PolitiFact, “in-person voter fraud—the kind targeted by the ID law—remains extremely rare”.[14] According to the Associated Press, the New York Times, NPR, CNBC, the Guardian, and FactCheck.Org, the available research and evidence point to the type of fraud that would be prevented by voter ID laws as “very rare” or “extremely rare”.[15][16][17][18][19][20][21] PolitiFact finds the suggestion that “voter fraud is rampant” false, giving it its “Pants on Fire” rating.[14]

            ABC News reported in 2012 that only four cases of voter impersonation had led to convictions in Texas over the previous decade.[2] A study released the same year by News21, an Arizona State University reporting project, identified a total of 10 cases of alleged voter impersonation in the United States since 2000.[22] The same study found that for every case of voter impersonation, there were 207 cases of other types of election fraud. This analysis has, in turn, been criticized by the executive director of the Republican National Lawyers Association, who has said that the study was “highly flawed in its very approach to the issue.”[23] Also a 2012 study found no evidence that voter impersonation (in the form of people voting under the auspices of a dead voter) occurred in the 2006 Georgia general elections.[24]

            In April 2014, Federal District Court Judge Lynn Adelman ruled in Frank v. Walker that Wisconsin’s voter ID law was unconstitutional because “virtually no voter impersonation occurs in Wisconsin …”.[25] In August 2014, Justin Levitt, a professor at Loyola Law School, reported in the Washington Post’s Wonkblog that he had identified only 31 credible cases of voter impersonation since 2000.[26] Levitt has also claimed that of these 31 cases, three of them occurred in Texas, while Lorraine Minnite of Rutgers University–Camden estimates there were actually four during the 2000–2014 period.[1] The most serious incident identified involved as many as 24 people trying to vote under assumed names in Brooklyn, but even this would not have made a significant difference in almost any American election.[27] Also that year, a study in the Election Law Journal found that about the same percentage of the U.S. population (about 2.5%) admitted to having been abducted by aliens as admitted to committing voter impersonation. This study also concluded that “strict voter ID requirements address a problem that was certainly not common in the 2012 U.S. election.”[28] In 2016, News21 reviewed cases of possible voter impersonation in five states where politicians had expressed concerns about it. They found 38 successful fraud cases in these states from 2012 to 2016, none of which were for voter impersonation.[29]

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_impersonation_(United_States)

            1. @bythebook Thank you for your detailed and cogent post. It’s been so long I forgot Acorn wasn’t even about signatures for getting folks on the ballot, it was about voter registration issues. Staffers faking voter registration forms to get paid for work they didn’t do. Not one case of actual voting fraud at a booth or otherwise there yet conservative pundits would talk it up like there were millions of illegal votes being cast due to Acorn’s activity.

      3. not too bright are you? It’s really hard to get someone’s name and address in this day and age? Don’t think so. is it really fair to not have a secure voting system. Sorry. If you can’t manage to get an ID you shouldn’t be voting. Period. We already have too many uninformed people voting we don’t need to add to the problem.

        1. You’re right DJK, it’s not hard to get someone’s name and address at all. The question is what are the odds you’ll get that info, take the time to go to a polling place and impersonate them, and then assure they don’t vote or didn’t already vote so you don’t get flagged for it and risk prison time and fines? How worth it is it to people to commit such acts, how often has it occurred and is the penalty and time consumed in the voting process not deterrent enough?

          Please find me this plethora of cases of actual voting fraud occurring. There are scant cases here and there of accidents or idiots but I’d be a fool to use my doxxing skills to get 10 folks info and try to vote for all of them and myself. Our energy would be better spent abolishing production of pennies to save money than creating a nationwide voter ID system. We can’t even get all the citizens that need them real ID’s at present and it’s costing a ton of money. How about we address the actual issues with voting in this country and spend to ensure foreign governments like the Kremlin can’t try to manipulate our elections…

  9. Whites tricked into worship of Need Grows. Just another OJ Simpson crime on whites.

  10. So Many ‘New’ Commenters On This Thread

    Who Are They?

    And Why Are They Responding To This??

    I just reviewed this entire thread and counted almost 30 names I never saw before. How curious! Did word go out over a special grapevine that Turley was hosting a forum today on Snowflake Liberals Murdered By Blacks?

    Or have a small number of Turley Trumpers exploited this particular debate to inflate their reactions to the featured murder?

    This reminds of that rock classic by Buffalo Springfield. I think it went like this:

    “Something’s happening here. What it is ain’t exactly clear. But an alias is posting crap no decent person would ever share. I think it’s time we stop, hey, what’s that post? Everyone look what’s going on”.

    1. Hey seth just the guy I wanted to talk to

      What do you and the Democrat rah rahs make of this lady Tara Reade who accuses Joe biden of shoving her up against hte wall and putting his hand up her skirt and fingering her in a deserted hallway in DC years ago when she was a staffer?

      Do you find this credible?

      I give Joe Biden the benefit of the constitutional presumption of innocence

      https://twitter.com/CathyYoung63/status/1248003984150925312?s=20

      this question is dedicated to Linda Tripp, who believed Monica, and died today

      anyhow I can’t find any reply from Joe. Can’t he remember anythign about this young lady?

      1. https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/03/tara-reade-tells-her-story

        “Content warning: sexual assault

        Editor’s Note: The following is a transcript of the March 26th episode of The Katie Halper Show, in which Tara Reade, a former staff assistant to Joe Biden, details her story of assault and harassment. Tara is one of eight women who have accused Biden of touching them inappropriately. She first came forward publicly in April of 2019 to state that behavior similar to what Lucy Flores experienced had also happened to her as a staffer, but upon being publicly attacked along with Flores, Tara decided not to tell her full story. In January of 2020, as reported by the Intercept, Tara approached TimesUp, a project of the National Women’s Law Center that provides assistance for sexual assault and harassment victims with claims against employers and powerful men. TimesUp refused to help Tara. The justification they gave was unrelated to her credibility; instead, they said that because Biden was a political candidate, taking her case could jeopardize the organization’s nonprofit status. It is worth noting that TimesUp has ties to Biden campaign manager Anita Dunn.

        Because the alleged incident occurred in private, it is impossible to verify absolutely. But Tara told both her brother and a friend, as well as her late mother about what happened at the time. I have spoken with her brother, and while he did not know every detail, he remembers clearly that there was an incident involving a gym bag and Biden putting his hands up Tara’s skirt, that Tara was talking about going to the police, and that their mother was furious about what happened. I have listened to an interview Katie Halper conducted with Tara’s friend in which she confirms being told about the incident at the time, and have also spoken extensively to Tara herself and found no reason to doubt her.

        As Joe Biden himself said, “for a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real.” Tara has no stakes in the election; she says she was a Hillary supporter in 2016 and supported Elizabeth Warren in 2020 while she was a candidate. Tara says she simply wants people to know what happened to her. I believe that at the very least, Tara has a right to be heard, which is why Current Affairs is printing her story, in her own words. I recommend everyone read it and listen to Tara’s interview with Katie Halper. The transcript has been edited lightly for readability, but we wanted to present it as intact as possible, so that you may hear Tara’s story in its rawest form. — Nathan J. Robinson, editor”

        JOE BIDEN IS PRESUMED INNOCENT OF THESE CHARGES OF SEXUAL ASSAULT.
        EVEN THOUGH 8 OTHER WOMEN ACCUSE HIM OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, HE IS PRESUMED INNOCENT
        THERE MAY BE ISSUES OF CREDIBILITY, HE SAID SHE SAID.
        SOMETIMES WOMEN LIE, TOO
        I WANT TO HEAR FROM JOE BIDEN?

        Now that Bernie’s dropped out, it only seems timely!

        1. They were willing to accept an accusation by Christine Blasey Ford, who, with all the expensive counsel she had, was unable to demonstrate she had ever met the man she accused. Of course, the epistemology they applied is not to be applied to this case, because reasons.

          1. well, it’s clear that this lady worked for Biden. that can’t be denied.

            and she has not claimed anybody else saw it; she claims they were alone when he reached up her skirt and shoved his fingers in her privates. allegedly.

            so, its a he said she said. this was different than that other lady who claimed any number of people saw it except none of them could be found.

            let’s hear from biden! he has the constitutional presumption of innocence.

            and it does not reflect well on any accuser when they fail to file a police report. of course, accusing a Senator is serious business! not exactly like accusing some frat boy. or failing to. anyhow, well, people can read her story and decide themselves. I am undecided

            1. Mr Kurtz – it appears she filed a report with some Senate body.

            2. Not filing at the time is entirely explainable and understandable. Typically women are young – by definition almost – and think maybe it was their fault. I would not hold that against her story. Escalating the seriousness of the charge in the last several months is not easily explained.

              1. PS She is a strong Bernie supporter and nothing wrong with that – if any of her charges are true, even if policy wasn’t the reason, of course she’d be against Biden. More concerning, not for policy differences, but for a possible crack pot warning sign, is she has posted over the top praise for Putin in the last year, and I don’t mean that he’s an effective leader. It was how moral and true he was.

              2. Typically women are young – by definition almost – and think maybe it was their fault.

                ROTFL. Only in the imagination of Ellen Goodman and the editorial staff of Ms..

          2. hey absurd, last time I asked about this they ignored it. seems like every day passes the story gets a little more stale. maybe that’s the plan, eh?

            “TARA:
            Well, the story starts when I went to work for Joe Biden. That was in 1992. I was hired that fall, the year that Bill Clinton was inaugurated as our president. Before that I was out West and I had worked on a congressional race. Before I was working in politics, I was an actress and a model and I had studied classically and I really loved the arts and I come from a family of artists and activists and whatnot. And then I got interested in college in political science and I went and interned for Leon Panetta when he was a Congressman and worked on an animal rights issue that ended up being put into law and signed into law. So it was very exciting and it was a very successful experience.

            And then when I applied for Joe Biden’s office, I had a phone interview and then they offered me an in-person interview. And so I went out to DC and I interviewed in person and when I was there, the scheduler interviewed me and Joe Biden happened to walk past. He saw me and she introduced me and we were in the inner, kind of alcove office. And he asked me my name. I told him and he said, “Oh, that’s a good Irish name.” And she offered to him, “Hey, she worked as an intern for Leon Panetta.” And he’s like, “Oh, he’s a good guy.” And then he looked back and smiled at me and said, “hire her.” And the scheduler looked at me and said, “I guess you’re hired.”

            KATIE:
            What was the position for?

            TARA:
            It was for a staff assistant position. So you know, pretty low on the totem pole, but you’re able to work through it. So, I supervised the intern program and made sure all the mail was distributed where it was supposed to be. I would go to a hearing and take notes. So it’s sorta like you just did what you had to do, all hands on deck sort of…

            KATIE:
            And you were how old at this point?

            TARA:
            Mid twenties.

            KATIE:
            And how long did you work for Biden in total?

            TARA:
            Nine months.

            KATIE:
            You would later come forward [about something that happened in 1993] after Lucy Flores came forward.

            TARA:
            I actually did come forward in 1993 but not to the press. But I went through protocol and complained.

            KATIE:
            What was your complaint about?

            TARA:
            Sexual harassment. I did not complain formally about the other piece of what happened that I’ll talk about in a few minutes. But I talked about what was witnessed, and the general atmosphere of the office, the way I was treated. Because I would see him at meetings and he would basically put his hands on me, put his hands on my shoulder, run his fingers on my neck… He was very handsy with a lot of people. But like I have said in the press before, it made me feel like an inanimate object. I didn’t feel like a person. He didn’t make conversation with me or talk with me or ask me anything relevant. It was just definitely that kind of vibe. So it was uncomfortable.

            So it was really after that incident when I walked in and everyone was arguing. I [had been] called into the office and I was very nervous because I thought I did something wrong. Like I remember feeling almost sick to my stomach, nervous, like, you know, this was a big deal of getting called in rather than them just coming and talking to me. When I walked in, people’s voices were raised. They were arguing. There was a legislative assistant there, a senior aide. She worked on women’s issues, I believe among other issues. I know judiciary issues for sure. But anyway, she turned to me and she said, the Senator thinks that you’re pretty and that you have nice legs. And he wants you to serve drinks at this fundraising event. And you don’t have to do that, Tara, you don’t, you know, that’s not part of your job. And then the scheduler kind of interrupted her in the middle of what she was saying and then said whatever she said. I can’t remember everything that was exchanged, but basically everyone kind of looking at me and I just froze because I didn’t know what to say to anybody. And I was uncomfortable and I knew that no matter what I decided to do, I was gonna either make my immediate supervisor very unhappy or I was going to look bad in the eyes of the legislative assistant. She was sticking up for me, obviously, and didn’t think I should be objectified. So it was a strange position to be in. And I just left. I didn’t say anything actually. I called my mom and she was very adamant that I document it and file a report and she said, and her exact words were—and I remember because we got into like a little bit of an argument about it—she said, you just march in there and you tell them this is sexual harassment and you file a complaint. And I tried to explain to my mother that that wasn’t easy. You couldn’t just march into Ted Kaufman’s office, who was the chief of staff, and that there was a protocol, that there was a way to do that. And my mother said, you tend to be a little passive sometimes, you know, sometimes you stick up for yourself, but sometimes you let people take advantage of you, you need to stand up and you need to address this. So I already kind of had those feelings. I wanted to look at taking some actions. So I did a non-formal thing by just going to my supervisor. That’s when I was met with some of [my supervisor’s] attitude about the whole thing. Like why wasn’t I complimented, that people would be flattered to be liked by Joe Biden. And basically she was also admonishing me to keep my head down if I wanted to last. She said that a couple of times and she took me in the hallway a couple of times and kind of chewed me out a few times. Nothing was in writing.

            But the time frame for me from this event [request to serve drinks and my taking it up with supervisors] to when I met him with the gym bag and the [assault] incident is compressed for me and I don’t know like how much time passed, but I do know a couple things happened between those two events. One that was significant was being told I had to dress differently and that I was too provocative and that was [said] by the assistant and by the scheduler. And they were finding fault with my work all the time, like every little thing. And it was almost to the point where three or four times a day there would be something, something, something wrong. And, my mother, I called my mom just one day in tears, you know, and she was like, you know, this is retaliation. They know that you want to file something. You’re already going through the motions. Because I, I had gone as far as to talk to Ted, to Dennis Toner who was the next person up after [Tara’s supervisor], and Dennis Toner then was below Ted Kaufman and there was just like this protocol you followed.

            I eventually did talk to Ted Kaufman. Dennis really wasn’t even talking to me anymore. It was Dennis Toner that dealt with me up to this point. Working for Biden had been kind of tense…his public persona is very different than what he’s like at work. It’s more like working for a corporation. It’s very top down and it’s very tense and he doesn’t treat staff that well. In my opinion…that was my experience of it. And some other people that were complaining about it would leave abruptly. In fact, the position that I had—they were having trouble keeping a person in it. So I don’t know what that’s about, but that’s one of the things that they made clear at the interview, that people kept leaving. And that they wanted me to stay and asked if I had plans to stay. And I said yes, that I wanted to make a career on the Hill. And that I’d eventually like to run for office someday.

            It was this beautiful time—this was before all the scandals, before the impeachment. This is when Bill Clinton first was president. I got to go to the inauguration. I got to go to the inaugural balls because I was working for Senator Biden. And it was this magical time in a sense. I walked the bridge of hope. I met Maya Angelou, which is one of the highlights of my life. And it was just amazing and wonderful. I was like a puppy, with enthusiasm. I was so happy to be there. I just went in with the attitude of doing everything I could to be a good employee. And I was very excited and honored to be there.

            KATIE:
            And so did you serve drinks at that event?

            TARA:
            I did not… It kind of just went away. I said no, and then when I said no, I sort of got attitude about it. And then, pushed back on another thing that had nothing to do with sexual harassment. I pushed back about the intern program because I was given a stack of resumes by Ted Kaufman, the chief of staff. And he directed me firmly to hire DuPont employees’ children only. And I pushed back and I said we need more diversity and I want to hire some women and I want to hire from other places, like [how] you hired me. And then after this whole conversation, I was like, how did I get hired? I’m not from Delaware. So he said 50 percent, he relented to 50 percent [of DuPont employees’ children]. It was still just strange. So I’d have these interns that were more diverse and working class and then I had these really privileged interns. So that kind of stuff was happening. There were regular work challenges happening.

            KATIE:
            So how much interaction did you have with Biden?

            TARA:
            I would see him, on and off quite a bit, but wouldn’t necessarily talk with him. He was always breezing out, breezing in with his people that would stay around him, usually the upper level staff, and they usually kind of kept right with him. But once in a while I would see him and he would just do that thing that guys do, you know, when they look you up and down and then smile and stuff. It just was obnoxious. I found myself getting more and more withdrawn and timid about speaking out because of the atmosphere. And because the scheduler was so closed down [when it came to] hearing about it. One of the things she said to me was, you know, the Senator likes you. You know, most women would really like that attention. She goes, you know, I don’t understand your attitude, like what is the problem? I definitely started feeling like I just didn’t really belong there. It definitely wasn’t a progressive office. I was told to just do what I was told.

            And then it wasn’t long after that, that the scheduler called me in and said, I want you to take this to Joe. He wants you to bring it, hurry. And I said, okay. And it was a gym bag. She called it an athletic bag. She said he was down towards the Capitol and “he’ll meet you.” And so I went down and he was at first talking to someone, I could see him at a distance and then they went away. And then, we were in like the side area. And he just said, Hey, come here, Tara. And then I handed him the thing and he greeted me, he remembered my name. And it was the strangest thing. There was no like exchange really. He just had me up against the wall. I was wearing a shirt and a skirt but I wasn’t wearing stockings. It was kind of a hot day. And I was wearing heels and I remember my legs had been hurting from the marble of the Capitol, walking on it. So I remember that kind of stuff. I remember it was kind of an unusually warm day. And I remember he just had me up against the wall and the wall was cold. It happened all at once. The gym bag, I don’t know where it went. I handed it to him. It was gone and then his hands were on me and underneath my clothes. And then he went down my skirt, but then up inside it and he penetrated me with his fingers. And he was kissing me at the same time and he was saying something to me. He said several things, I can’t remember everything he said. I remember a couple of things. I remember him saying first before, like as he was doing it, “do you want to go somewhere else?” And then him saying to me when I pulled away, when he got finished doing what he was doing and I pulled back and he said, “come on man, I heard you liked me.” And it’s that phrase [that] stayed with me because I kept thinking what I might’ve said [to make him think that]. And I can’t remember exactly, if he said “I thought,” or “I heard,” but it’s like he implied I had done this.

            And for me it was like everything, everything shattered in that moment. I looked up to him, he was like my father’s age. He was this champion of women’s rights in my eyes. And I couldn’t believe that was happening. It seemed surreal. And I just felt sick because when he pulled back, he looked annoyed and he looked angry and he said something else to me that I, I don’t want to say. And I must’ve looked shocked [by what he said]. And he grabbed me by the shoulders and he said, you’re okay. You’re fine. You’re okay, you’re fine. And then, he walked away and he went on with his day.

            And what I remember next is being in the Russell building, like where the big windows are and the stairs by myself and I was shaking everywhere because it was cold all of a sudden. I was trying to grasp what had just happened and what I should do or what I should say. But I knew it was bad because he was so angry. Like when he left, I could feel, you know how when you know someone’s angry, they don’t necessarily say anything. Like he smiles when he’s angry and you can just feel it.

            So then I went home and I called my mom because I didn’t know who else to call and she was wanting me to go make a police report, like right away. My mom was very adamant that I do that. And I said, no. And we had an argument about it. I said, Mom, you can’t do that. […]I tried to bring it up later to the scheduler and she just wouldn’t hear it. She shut me down before I could even get there and [she] said, I can’t believe you’re trying to bring things like this up. And she said, how can I bring this to Ted Kaufman? He’ll just think we’re all on our periods.

            KATIE:
            Wow….”

      2. Kurtz, I wasnt there. But at least 2 dozen women made similar accusations against Trump. If we must take the Biden accusation seriously, then surely the Trump accusations must merit equal weight.

        1. Kurtz, I’m curious to know why you felt a strong need to inject this ‘Biden scandal’ after I noted all the aliases on this thread. How do those 2 topics relate?? It’s like you’re saying, in effect, “Yeah, us Trumpers are creeps but Joe Biden made an unwanted advance 30 years ago”.

          1. I don’t think ppl should hijack the blog by posting on topics not relevant to the one selected by the host, Professor Turley. But to state that ppl who do not share your views are posting under aliases is just plain weird. Why would anyone do that? There are ppl who simply don’t agree with you. Is that all that hard to deal with?

            1. i agree in general there should be a standard of relevance TIN but Seth NEVER worries about that and he is free to rebroadcast irrelevant stuff as he does every day. so im going to do the same

              and anyhow maybe Turley will write about this one. there’s plenty of green between here and november.

              Seth pretends its just Republicans poking at this. trust me, the following link is not a Republican website

              https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/31/tara_reade_joe_biden_sexual_assault

          2. ha ha Seth you NEVER care about relevance. you are the worst offender when it comes to injecting youjr daily wapoo or nyt reposts and rebroadcasts where they dont belong. so get used to it, you set the bar low now deal with it

        2. But at least 2 dozen women made similar accusations against Trump.

          Actually, no. Jean Carroll made that accusation. She can prove that she and her husband once met the Trumps on a receiving line. The rest of the accusations were on the order of “he was sitting next to me at this dinner and put his hand on my thigh”. Accusations from random strangers in the middle of an electoral campaign are not taken seriously by the non-stupid.

          1. Absurd, that’s a lie. Back in 2016, in the wake of “Access Hollywood”, mainstream media interviewed about 2 dozen Trump accusers.

            Yet in all fairness to Trump, wealthy playboys will incur the wrath of disgruntled women. And proving allegations is impossible years afterward. It should be too, I’m okay with that. But the point is that disgruntled women have been issue for Trump. So putting that on Biden is just hypocrisy.

            1. i agree the Tara Reade accusations are stale

              one difference to some of the other flimsy stories aimed at Trump, is that there is no question she was a Biden staffer who worked with him and not only could have been alone with him but almost certainly WAS alone with him.

              https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/31/tara_reade_joe_biden_sexual_assault

              it’s possible she is telling the truth. i guess since LINDA TRIPP died yesterday, that’s also why I was thinkking about that. Seth, do you remember who Linda Tripp was?

              1. Mr Kurtz – I agree that the story is stale, but not for wont of trying. She followed procedure, the procedure failed her. BTW, she is not alone.

                1. Paul it seems one of these “METOO” outfits declined to help her. Because of excuses. But they have a top person who is on Biden’s campaign. This information is described better than i can, here and no, the Intercept are not Republicans

                  https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up/

                  allegedly, Joe said to her after she rebuffed him: “YOU’RE NOTHING TO ME”

                  could Uncle Joe really be so cruel?

                  1. Mr Kurtz – some guys do not take being turned down well. Creepy Uncle Joe could be one of them.

                2. Paul in Biden’s defense, she did not file a police report

                  She says that her mom told her to and she did not.

                  The lack of a report and timely accusation, does not lend her story credibility, but it does not entirely cancel it, either.

                  But she filed a “sexual harassment” complaint with her immediate supervisors, whatever the employer was at that time, perhaps the the Biden Senatorial office?. Yes, Biden has been in Senate a long long time

                  Perhaps they did not believe her. Or, perhaps, they were protecting their boss. Is such a thing possible that the champions of women, would bury a complaint such as this? Has such a thing ever happened?

                  Is it happening again?

                  Like Seth said, hey, I wasn’t there. But i wonder?

                  1. Mr Kurtz – the Senate and House seem to have a huge slush fund for paying of sexual harassment claims. However, that was probably started after she was working there.

                    The fact that she did not file a police report means nothing. I do not hold that against her. She did work her way up the system and was punished for it.

        3. Seth you werent there for any of the allegations about trump but you sure keep on bringing them up.

          now this lady was a staffer for Biden. I’m just asking you to read the transcript of her allegations or listen to the interview and give it a credibility rating up or down. I’m undecided. it’s stale, which detracts, but plausible.

          see biden is running NOW. Trump already went through the vetting on these sorts of allegations. biden wants to be pres, he needs to address this now. trump stuff is old news,. this is an old allegation, but only aired about 2 weeks ago. why not give the lady her due and just listen>?

    2. Personally, I’ve never been on this site before. I saw this article linked at another news blog, and clicked on it, and then commented. I don’t think I’ve done anything sinister or conspiratorial, but you can be the judge.

    3. Cannot speak for others but I have posted only as myself. These posts make me think that political correctness is a mile wide but only a foot deep. When speaking of racial issues, illegal immigration, changing your sex or gender, etc. there is only ONE acceptable public opinion. But once you remove the thin veneer we are forced to live under, people do not always follow the party line. And to give you more food for thought the people on this blog are mostly lawyers and other well educated professionals. That is why it is a LEGAL blog from a well known professor. The pop culture worshipping, low IQ types types do not have much interest in this sort of blog.

      And I like Buffalo Springfield, BTW.

      1. antonio – Buffalo Springfield, well, taste is personal. 😉 🙂

      2. Antonio – this is exactly why I come here, to read ppls response who are older and smarter than me, specifically pertaining to law. Sometimes things veer off in different directions. But that is okay, mix it up.

  11. Hey guys i was looking on the internet for feedback about Bernie quitting the race and all, and it seems like a lot of Democrats believe that Joe Biden sexually assaulted a lady named Tara Reade. I heard her story and I’d like to hear Joe Biden’s side of it. Anybody care to share ?

    Or has his campaign simply ignored the alleged victim? I also heard a lady named Alyssa Milano says the accuser is lying

    This reminds me Linda Trip just died too. well, let’s hear from the 3-6 Democrats who come on here and post every day what the official party line is on this? thanks

    2. Tripp was an odd duck, and not the most appealing of persons. What i liked about her is that after 30-odd years as a federal employee (and, during her last years in the federal workforce, a testament to the unreality of federal compensation), she dusted herself off and earned a living as a small merchant in northern Virginia (a gift shop). Evidently had pancreatic cancer, a random strike few people survive.

      1. I didnt know her. but it reminds me of how Democrats always say “#believewomen”

        I can’t figure out why there is nothing on the mainstream media about the sad young lady Tara Reade?

        Dont they believe her?

        I havent made up my mind yet. Sure, Biden is creepy, but every allegations deserves to be taken seriatim, and people must prove their accusations by credible evidence.

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