We previously discussed the attack on a Wisconsin state senator who simply tried take pictures of rioters destroying statues and causing property damage in Madison on June 23rd. Democratic state Sen. Tim Carpenter was hospitalized after the attack. Now, two women, Samantha R. Hamer, 26, (right) and Kerida E. O’Reilly, 33, (left) have been arrested in the attack. What is interesting is that the punitive measures are not just criminal charges against the women. Hamer is particularly likely to suffer immediate employment consequences as a teacher. She is a specialist in helping kids with “social-emotional needs” and “behavioral issues.”
Video footage shows Carpenter, 60, being beaten by eight to 10 people and suffering a concussion. However, two women are the first to attack him:
The assault came as the mob was moving to topple two statues including Civil War abolitionist Hans Christian Heg and another of a female figure representing the state’s “Forward” motto.
In a video posted to his Twitter page, Sen. Tim Carpenter (D-Milwaukee) said he was punched and kicked in the head, neck and ribs.
The police had clear pictures of the two women.
Samantha Hamer’s profile on the district’s official homepage (here) states that she assists “students and families who are struggling with social-emotional needs, behavioral issues, or environmental issues in the family, school and/or community.” According to reports, Hamer works as a licensed social worker for the Mount Horeb School District in suburban Madison and O’Reilly is a licensed physical therapist in Madison with a Doctorate in Physical Therapy program from Marquette University.
Hamer has been put on administrative leave by the Mount Horeb School System. This is a violent crime and thus the move was predictable.
Both women however also fall under licensing authority of the Department of Safety and Professional Services, which will now review their licenses for possible revocation.
One issue may be whether the concussion is treated as “serious” or “great” bodily harm under the statute. It is clearly a felony since bodily injury occurred but there is a distinction on the level of harm in terms of the level of felony under Wisconsin law:
940.19 Battery; substantial battery; aggravated battery.(1) Whoever causes bodily harm to another by an act done with intent to cause bodily harm to that person or another without the consent of the person so harmed is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.(2) Whoever causes substantial bodily harm to another by an act done with intent to cause bodily harm to that person or another is guilty of a Class I felony.(4) Whoever causes great bodily harm to another by an act done with intent to cause bodily harm to that person or another is guilty of a Class H felony.(5) Whoever causes great bodily harm to another by an act done with intent to cause great bodily harm to that person or another is guilty of a Class E felony.(6) Whoever intentionally causes bodily harm to another by conduct that creates a substantial risk of great bodily harm is guilty of a Class H felony. A rebuttable presumption of conduct creating a substantial risk of great bodily harm arises:(a) If the person harmed is 62 years of age or older; or(b) If the person harmed has a physical disability, whether congenital or acquired by accident, injury or disease, that is discernible by an ordinary person viewing the physically disabled person, or that is actually known by the actor.
Wisconsin has a definition of the base terms that would apply:
“Bodily harm” means physical pain or injury, illness, or any impairment of physical condition.
“Great bodily harm” means bodily injury which creates a substantial risk of death, or which causes serious permanent disfigurement, or which causes a permanent or protracted loss or impairment of the function of any bodily member or organ or other serious bodily injury.
Hospital care for a concussion would seem a great bodily harm though it is not clear if there was “protracted” impairment. A concussion would be argued as reflecting an assault substantial risk of death.
The women could also argue that they were not intending such harm. A jury may not be willing to afford them such a presumption.
Given the serious injury to the senator and the evidence that he did nothing to provoke the assault, this would seem to be a case that is almost certain to be handled in a plea agreement if prosecutors are in the bargaining mood. That however is the open question.
Carpenter could also sue for tort liability for assault and battery. However, given the collateral licensing move, there may be little chance for the payment of serious damages by either woman. Ultimately, such damages can result in garnishments from future employment, but again that future may be dim if they are convicted in a violent assault.
Are you sure these are women?
Oh my God, that is the type of teacher , educating the kids😡😠😡 They are animals😈💩😈💩
Because Madison is a liberal area, I expect this attack will be plead down to some kind of misdemeanor. I’m afraid the DA’s sympathy will reside with the mob, and he won’t want a little thing like an unprovoked vicious attack to impact these “peaceful” protesters. Therefore, these women will continue to practice professionally with no loss of license. Personally I’d like to see them tried, convicted and jailed for this assault. They clearly intended harm. Someone as volatile as Hamer should not be working with children with social-emotional needs or behavioral issues.
That’s exactly what is happening. The DA offered them “deferred prosecution,” which would result in charges being dropped if they admit they were wrong.
And there’s ‘umbrella man’:
“Umbrella Man: Minneapolis suspect linked to white supremacists”
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53579099
Minneapolis police say ‘Umbrella Man’ was a white supremacist trying to incite George Floyd rioting
By Libor Jany Star Tribune JULY 28, 2020 — 8:18PM
https://www.startribune.com/police-umbrella-man-was-a-white-supremacist-trying-to-incite-floyd-rioting/571932272/
Justin Terrell, executive director of the Council for Minnesotans of African Heritage, said conversations around Floyd’s death and the ensuing riots are important, but they often fail to account for the persistence of structural racism.
“I think at the end of the day, we need to start dealing with those issues, because I think this ‘Umbrella Man,’ he is a rotten piece of fruit at the farthest branch of the tree, [but] we’ve gotta get to the roots,” Terrell said. “I think we have to do the work to get there, which America has never done, and Minnesota sure hasn’t.”
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1288582620972847106
Yeah, the Hell’s Angels are responsible for the Floyd riots. Not very likely.
That has nothing to do with article and is a red herring, it’s also just conjecture and an attempt to create a narrative that “white supremacists” are responsible for the massive violence. With that particular, false, white supremacist narrative it must being getting hard to find incidents to re-post everywhere although I’m sure you can find a handful, it is a country of 328 million so you will find them.
It is about time criminal activity is labeled as just that. This clearly illustrates the difference between protesting and rioting. Until we hold them all accountable, they will continue to let their alligator mouths overload their mockingbird ass.s, and corruption will run rampant in our streets. T. Coffman
Is the radical, extremist and criminal behavior of these two entities (one has the “appearance” of a “woman,” the other is pitiful and possibly “female”) due to “public education,” abortion, biased “rape” laws, welfare, food stamps, TANF, WIC, affirmative action and general misandry?
The communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs) would have Americans believe that women and minorities must enjoy legislated “equality,” nay, superiority.
The radicalization of American education, abortion, every-male/female-encounter-is-rape laws, disincentivizing benefits and entitlements, affirmative action, etc., are all based on misandry and are unconstitutional.
As unfortunate as God made it, women are not made to be men, women are made to have babies…lots of babies, sufficient in numbers to grow and defend a nation, and Congress does not exist to legislate male/female and marital relationships. American women failed in their duty to their country and their country imports its population – how unusual and abnormal is that?
The Constitution and Bill of Rights, 1789, provide freedom through self-reliance which requires citizens to behave appropriately and commensurately with their station, for their benefit or to their detriment.
In America, under the Constitution, success is merited naturally.
Under the Communist Manifesto, success is legislated artificially.
Imagine how O’Reilly would “treat” you if you came to PT wearing a Trump tshirt. (BTW: She has a doctoral degree because, for quite a few years, that has been the only way to practice as a physical therapist. Nothing “special” about her education – just a requirement.)
Given her criminal conduct, what assistance with behavior could the social worker Hamer provide to school children?
I wonder if they were always violent and hateful, or is this the result of leftist indictrination?
The left seems to want us to hate each other.
United we stand. Devided we fall…
It’s divided… I promise I’m not stupid…
Ide asks a timely question. Who knows! Could be either way.
but there is a mood which can affect the members of a crowd. there is a group psychology in humans which is a natural herd instinct. it can be helpful at times but at other times it can be the undoing of social order. the mood of a mob which is angry, can ignite more mobs, and the whole thing can turn out very badly
this is why every civilized country including ours, have laws against mobs which go out of control. Even ours. Free speech does not give license to an angry mob to destroy property and attack innocents. There has been a lot of miseducation about this of late, but trust me, which will haunt the Democrats who seek a devil’s bargain with mobs.
Kurtz,
Aren’t you the one advancing the idea that we need to abandon the western tradition of individualism for the collective? Oh, that’s right; collectives (mobs) are manageable, if they magically comport to the rule of law.
Huxley undoubtedly read More. For both men, individualism is at the heart of Western culture. It comes with independence, free thought, freedoms of expression, and holds the individual to account for his own life and actions.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/29/peacocks-too-realistic-brave-new-world-shows-we-ignore-the-individual-at-our-peril/?vgo_ee=%2Bmjh0e6I9S87ESi2i6yXKUzkASpiHornD%2Fz2wZTd1jg%3D
I am not against the individual person as a normative quantum of rights. The people. I am not against the individual seeking out his own strengths, weakness, and particular destiny. I call that the healthy process of individuation.,
I am against making a god of the individual. This is what i call individualism, which is a heresy in my book
The ancient Greeks, who were in many ways the fathers of the idea of the individual, had a saying “EIS ANER, OUDEIS ANER”
one man– no man.
They understood politics; they gave us the word. the life of the city.
For the city, for our group, for our country, we may be called perhaps to lay down our very lives, so that the group will survive.
I am against making a god of the individual. This is what i call individualism, which is a heresy in my book
Give me an example demonstrating that is taking place.
I have been hearing it all my life from conservatives and Republicans in my own family and friends who are always telling me to stfu with politics and just think about my own narrow interests. For example i have been told for quite some time that this exercise of writing things on the internet is a waste of my own opportunities.
Perhaps they are right– if the only value is maximizing my own income
If I have other values which relate to the good of the community, then perhaps I can put my education and experience to work for the common good.
But i think most Republicans and conservatives are reluctant to waste energy on politics because they focus too much on money.
That’s why I bother to make this point about individualism. It is not a problem for Democrats– they completely understand the power of joint action.
I hope more people think like me come the election, and suspend their selfish daily activities and get out there and VOTE TRUMP
because there the strength of the wolf is in the pack
& if you got no pack then you are alone, easy pickings for the pack which is coming for you
I have been hearing it all my life from conservatives and Republicans in my own family and friends who are always telling me to stfu with politics and just think about my own narrow interests. For example i have been told for quite some time that this exercise of writing things on the internet is a waste of my own opportunities.
I’m certain your family and friends understand who you are far better than what we see on this blog. Given how your opinions have become more radical over the past several weeks, I suspect what they’ve been telling you is rooted more as a loving intervention than anything else. For what it’s worth, you may want to listen to them.
Olly,
As I see individualism in general waning, I see leaders of groups, only certain individuals, being turned into gods. The Imperial Executive is one manifestation, as celebrity culture is another.
It’s a symptom of collectivism to over-emphasize a “strong man” of ‘your’ tribe. Individuals, in general, get diminished.
Prairie Rose,
I perceive this debate over collectivism or individualism as not a struggle over which is better, but over the motives of the effort. I often refer to Bastiat’sThe Law because he articulates this far better than I do.
If every person has the right to defend even by force — his person, his liberty, and his property, then it follows that a group of men have the right to organize and support a common force to protect these rights constantly. Thus the principle of collective right — its reason for existing, its lawfulness — is based on individual right. And the common force that protects this collective right cannot logically have any other purpose or any other mission than that for which it acts as a substitute.
Individuals, in general, get diminished.
I still believe individuals act out of their own self-interest. But when generations of our citizens have become conditioned to believe the purpose for government is not to do what was stated above, but instead use the force of government to favor the rights and interests of one group over another, then they will naturally submit to the collective that most appeals to their interests. Kurtz will tell you we need to abandon enlightenment era thinking to restore this government to its proper function. Bastiat says the opposite: This objective would demand more enlightenment than they possess.
But, unfortunately, law by no means confines itself to its proper functions. And when it has exceeded its proper functions, it has not done so merely in some inconsequential and debatable matters. The law has gone further than this; it has acted in direct opposition to its own purpose. The law has been used to destroy its own objective: It has been applied to annihilating the justice that it was supposed to maintain; to limiting and destroying rights which its real purpose was to respect. The law has placed the collective force at the disposal of the unscrupulous who wish, without risk, to exploit the person, liberty, and property of others. It has converted plunder into a right, in order to protect plunder. And it has converted lawful defense into a crime, in order to punish lawful defense.
http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html
The Judiciary of every District in our Nation needs to send A CONCISE and CLEAR MESSAGE to all of these Anarchists that the Good Citizens of our Nation WILL NOT TOLERATE Mob Violence on any level. These women and all the other criminals who raised a hand or other body part, with a weapon or without, need to be prosecuted to the furthest extent of the Law. Their intention was to KILL and DESTROY. Those Anarchists and all like them, who would ever conceive of striking out in violence, need to be caged or removed from our midst.
Why do the hot ones always have hags as wingmen?
@dailyD, I don’t know about “hot one” but I would definitely question the hygiene. After spending so much time on the street you might come up with Blue Claws?
dailydouble – the theory is you do not want someone as hot or hotter than you as competition. 😉 That is the ugly wingman theory
Winghags
Must be politically correct.(
“Ultimately, such damages can result in garnishments from future employment, but again that future may be dim if they are convicted in a violent assault.”
So, they work it off in prison. Society should not be soft on rioters who hve no respect for lives.
Apparently these two weren’t aware that if you can get elected to Congress, the taxpayers will pay you a king’s ransom to assault people that were invited to testify before Democrat-controlled committees.
SWAN: “It’s been widely reported that the US has intelligence indicating that Russia paid bounties, or offered to pay bounties, to Taliban fighters to kill American soldiers… Did you bring up this issue?”
TRUMP: “No, that was a phone call to discuss other things.”
SWAN: “And you’ve never discussed it with him?”
TRUMP: “I have never discussed it with him, no.”