Did The FBI Mislead The Senate Intelligence Committee On The Steele Dossier? The Media Is Not Interested

136px-US-FBI-ShadedSealsenate_large_sealI recently wrote a column concerning a pattern of willful blindness by the media as new evidence emerges of serious wrongdoing by the FBI in the origin and continuation of the Russian collusion investigation. The latest information comes from the Senate Intelligence Committee which released a declassified briefing report to the Senate Intelligence Committee in 2018 on the Steele dossier’s Primary Sub-source. It is hard to read the document linked below and not conclude that the FBI misled the Congress on the subject.  This occurred after the FBI misled the FISA court, including the submission of falsified documents to continue the surveillance.

The statement that most stands out from the briefing is that the Primary Sub-source “did not cite any significant concerns with the way his reporting was characterized in the dossier to the extent he could identify it.”

Keep in mind that this is a statement made in 2018.  FBI agents had already warned that dossier author Christopher Steele may have been used by Russian intelligence to plant false information to disrupt the election. Indeed, Steele’s allegations were quickly discredited by the FBI. In 2017, key agents were aware that the basis for the FISA applications were dubious and likely false. Yet it continued the investigation, and then someone leaked its existence to the media.  Both Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and former Acting Attorney General Sally Yates testified that they would not have signed off on surveillance if they knew this information at the time.  Yet, the media seems uninterested in how this countervailing information was buried, even in briefings to the intelligence committees.

Another declassified document shows that, after the New York Times ran a leaked story on the investigation, even Strzok had balked at the account as misleading and inaccurate the year before. His early 2017 memo affirmed that there was no evidence of any individuals in collusion with Russians. This information came as the collusion stories were turning into a frenzy that would last years.

The reference to the sub-source in the new document is particularly troubling because that individual told the FBI that he “has no idea” where some of the language attributed to him came from in the Steele report. He expressly denied being the source for some of the information. That would seem a tad more than even a “significant concern.” Yet, the Senate was told he had no significant concerns.  In fact, he said that he “never mentioned” the information and  “did not know the origins” of information.  On some point, he said he had no recollection of ever giving the information to Steele.  He also directly contradicted Steele in how he characterized the information.

The report also states that “[a]t minimum, our discussions with [the Primary Sub-source] confirm that the dossier was not fabricated by Steele.”

However, again, the sub-source said that he had no idea where some of the information attributed to him came from. That would seem to contradict this statement directly.  He said that he has “zero” corroboration for some of the information while other claims were just stuff that he heard over drinks or was meant in “jest.”

The point is not that this source is clearly telling the truth or that this proves a deep-state conspiracy. Rather, the question is why this document has received virtually no media attention — as with earlier declassified documents.  It is at best misleading by omission and at worse intentionally false in its briefing of a congressional intelligence committee. The media spent years exploring every possible claim of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, which were found to be baseless. Yet, these recent documents raise serious questions of false statements to Congress to keep that investigation going. These serious allegations of false statements and false evidence in an investigation that targeted figures associated with the opposing party and its presidential campaign. Indeed, the recent documents show, in direct contradiction of prior statements, the FBI used briefings with Trump as part of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation. The response from the media? Crickets.  Nada.  Not interested.

We should be interested. This is why I continue to support the investigation by John Durham and why former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein has called for continuing these investigations. The problem is that there seems a virtual new blackout on the new evidence being declassified. After using tanker loads of ink on the unfounded collusion theories, the media seems unwilling to use a drop of ink on the evidence of misconduct in pursuing that investigation. In today’s echo-journalistic world, there is no place for such stories that challenge the prior narrative.

This declassified document and other related material may be accessed at the following link: judiciary.senate.gov/fisa-investigation.

589 thoughts on “Did The FBI Mislead The Senate Intelligence Committee On The Steele Dossier? The Media Is Not Interested”

  1. “There was no “plan” to set up Flynn by the FBI. That was one of multiple options discussed in a meeting prior to the interview ”

    BTB, You do not know nor does the NYT know that there was no plan. It’s conjecture. The likelihood of everything falling into place like it did seems like a statistical once in a lifetime. The written word indicating such a thought was being considered combined with prior events and how the events unfolded point to things very different than you wish to believe.

    All you did is damage your credibility:

    “There was no “plan” to set up Flynn by the FBI.” Is a very definite statement to make without proof.

    The rest of your comment also damages your credibility because that statement has been explained to you numerous times and you haven’t altered your statement to conform what is known and has been proven.

    1. Allan – there was a criminal conspiracy – that is exactly what the exchanges that lead up to Flynn’s interview are.

      When people in government discuss entrapping someone – that is a conspiracy to deprive them of their civil rights under color of law.

      There is ALOT that Horowitz found that was WRONG.

      But most of it was not criminal.

      I am also MOSTLY with Barr in dropping the prosecutions of assorted members of the FBI for lying.

      BUT he should have dropped every prosecution in the SC investigation based on “lying” on exactly the same basis.

      It is in fact WORSE for law enforcement to be lying under oath or to investigators,

      Prosecutors can drop charges even after conviction – Barr should have dropped those against Stone.

  2. OT: Are we a less racist nation today? Interesting article from the NYTimes.

    Justice Dept. Accuses Yale of Discrimination in Application Process
    The Trump administration said the university discriminated against Asian-American and white applicants. Yale defended its practices and vowed to maintain them. …

    The charge, coming after a two-year investigation, is the administration’s second confrontation with an Ivy League school; two years ago, it publicly backed Asian-American students who accused Harvard in a lawsuit of systematically discriminating against them.

  3. Darren can you please help out. I have posted something in response to Dee and when it didn’t appear posted it again with slight changes but it still remains in cyberspace. I am going to try and repost it under this since the tests come through but the posting doesn’t. Thanks in advance.

  4. Biden and Harris made their first appearance together today. Scott Adams summed it up:

    “Biden’s lies today were enormous and notable, given that lying is his big complaint about Trump. And there will be no fact-check from #EnemyOfThePeople so I guess it worked on low-information voters.” @ScottAdamsSays

    The media has one job: get Democrats elected and run cover for them. The blatant media bias is disgusting to most Americans who are now paying attention. Will Joe Biden and Kamala Harris get Fact Checked? Fat chance.

    The media is unquestionably the Enemy of the People.

      1. Has anyone in the media told Joe Biden that the central theme of his campaign is a lie? Does Joe Biden know that the lie he keeps telling – that Trump called white supremacists in Charlottesville “fine people” – is a debunked lie? Why is Joe Biden continuing to spout a known provable lie? Has any journalist corrected him since he launched his campaign based on a lie? Was this in a WaPo fact check? How about on air talking heads? Anyone call out Joe Biden’s blatant lie yet? He keeps repeating it, so where’s the so-called media fact check? Show it to us here.

        1. Joe Biden tweeted this provable lie just yesterday:

          “Three years ago today, white supremacists descended on Charlottesville with torches in hand and hate in their hearts. Our president said they were “very fine people.”

          It was clear then, and it’s clear now: We are in a battle for the soul of our nation, and we must win.” @JoeBiden

          Has this lie been debunked? Yes. Does Joe Biden and his campaign continue to repeat it? Yes.

          1. I dislike people lying (Biden, Trump, and everyone else). I condemn both Biden AND Trump for their actual lies. But I’m also not going equate them as liars, because Trump lies a whole lot more than Biden does.

            You say “Has this lie been debunked? Yes. Does Joe Biden and his campaign continue to repeat it? Yes.”
            I agree, though the situation is also more mixed with respect to Trump and Neo-Nazis, since Trump condemns them out of one side of his mouth while repeatedly choosing to retweet certain tweets from known Neo-Nazis/white supremacists.

            And there are Trump lies that he continues to repeat despite them having been debunked, so you could just as easily say “Has this lie been debunked? Yes. Does [Trump] and his campaign continue to repeat it? Yes” about a lie that Trump tells.

            For example, Trump has lied over 150 times about the Veterans Choice Act.
            Just a few examples of him lying about it:
            * “We passed VA Choice and VA Accountability to give our veterans the care that they deserve, and they have been trying to pass these things for 45 years.”(5/20/19)
            * “McCain didn’t get the job done for our great vets and the VA, and they knew it … The vets were on my side because I got the job done. I got Choice and I got accountability. … And Choice — for years and years, decades, they wanted to get Choice. … For many decades, they couldn’t get it done. It was never done. I got it five months ago.” (3/21/19)
            * “I disagree with John McCain on the way he handled the vets, because I said you got get to Choice. He was never able to get Choice. I got Choice.” (5/30/19)
            * “You know, I got the Veterans Choice. First time in 44 years, the veterans have choice.” (5/14/19)
            * “And, by the way, for the veterans, 45 years they’ve been trying to get it. As you know, just recently, I signed Veterans Choice” (4/24/19)
            * “We passed Veterans Choice, giving our veterans the right to see a private doctor, rather than waiting on line for weeks and weeks and weeks. Forty-four years they’ve been trying to pass that. I got it passed, it’s signed as of two months ago.” (10/27/18)

            Not only was the Veterans Choice Act signed by Obama (not Trump), McCain was a co-sponsor of the bill. Trump signed the VA MISSION Act of 2018, which extends Choice, but Trump continues to lie that he was the one who got Choice passed.

            To paraphrase you: “Why is [Trump] continuing to spout a known provable lie?”

            When CBS WH correspondent Paula Reid finally challenged him about it a few days ago, Trump ended the press conference rather than answer.

            I’d love for there to be a debate question asking both of them about their repeated lies. That dishonesty isn’t good for the country.

            1. Even your name is a lie. People seeking political office use a lot of puffery but most of that is not lying. Errors are not lies. Corrections make what some might consider constitute lies into something said that required more explaining.

              Trump is a businessman and knows all about puffery and promotion. Biden is a politician that has used his office for personal gain. Trump is not a racist or a sexist. He has a reputation with women but that is his personal life. We have seen no racism or sexism in office and that is all that we should be concerned about. Joe Biden has been accused of racism while in office for good reasons and those reasons pre existed his run for the presidency. His VP pick all but called him a racist. I won’t conclude that he is a racist but I can see why some do. As far as a sexist Joe is a bit touchy feely. Has he abused women? I don’t know but Trump has had to prove his innocence while Joe is accepted as innocent. I think Joe is a man and unless force was used I don’t consider him to be a sexist.

              You want to accuse Trump of Nazism because that helps promote your ideology. The truth in your case is only those things that promote the ideas you wish. You are of a totalitarian mindset and a power hungry appendage to the left. Trump’s statement you talk about was balanced and later reexplained and explained again. I have yet to hear any democrats requiring Joe to explain his use of the N word many times or his associations with racists. To me it was stupid of Joe but not something we should call racist except when people like you engage in lowering the bar to make unfounded accusations against people they don’t like.

              Living with people like you make the country turn in a downhill direction. It is you that creates the unhappiness and disatisfaction that we all have to live with. Today I had a lot of workmen over. doing various things all of them were happy, happy at the jobs and happy with their lives. You aren’t and the reason is your juvenile thinking. The most prominent thought in your mind is that of a child, ‘I Want…’

            2. “I agree, though the situation is also more mixed with respect to Trump and Neo-Nazis, since Trump condemns them out of one side of his mouth while repeatedly choosing to retweet certain tweets from known Neo-Nazis/white supremacists.”

              Which tweets of neo nazi’s white supremecists would that be ?

              When you make a claim like this without being specific you are essentially asserting that any person who has ever been retweeted by Trump is a white supremecist of neo nazi.

              Further because you are not being specific – we can not determine YOUR credibility.

              If I said Biden retweets White supremecists all the time – you would rightly demand proof.

              Regardless you have a record of making claims that you can not back up – such as that Flynn talked to Kislyak about Obama’s EO’s.
              Which has conclusively been demonstrated wrong – right from Obama’s white house web site.

              So who are these white supremecists Trump is retweeting ?

              If you are going to make moral claims about someone else – you MUST prove your case – or the moral failure is yours.

              As to your claims about Trump lying. I am open to actual proof that Trump has substantially misrepresented something of consequence.

              But pretty much all the cites I get from people claiming Trump has lied are trying to impose a degree of precesion onto a tweet that it can not bear, or taking a remark out of context.

              The Trump is a liar stuff has gotten so ludicrously stupid that I and myriads of others do not pay attention any more.

              We can judge Trump by his actual actions – rather than fight over micro parsed claims about his words.

              As to Biden – what has he accomplished ? He has been in government for 50 years – what has he accomplished ?

              I can cite a few things he is inextricably responsible for – these are the things that protesters are out burning and looting to get rid of.

              He seems to have done an excellent job of making his relatives rich off his government connections.

              And what of Trump ? He may have been born with a silver spoon, but he has turned it to platinum. He too has made his entire extended family wealthy – but not at the public expense.

              I listen to you and those on the left tell me how Trump is Bilking government – but the reality is that he, his family and businesses have taken a hit because Trump is president.

              For decades Trump has built things, created wealth for himself, his family – and myriads of others. He has created value that many many many people appreciate and have benefited from.

              Then we have his record as president:

              He has kept more promises than any US presidential candidate since George Washington.
              Like it or not you know what you will get From Trump 2021.

              His judicial appointments may not be absolutely perfect – but they are the best any libertarain could ever hope for.
              No democrat would have given us judges that good, No other republican would do so either.

              He has been more deregulatory than any prfesident since Carter. Another attractive feature for libertarians.

              He has wound down us Military involvement arround the world. Not as much as i would have liked – but GWB promised that – and made things worse. Obama promised that and made things worse. We should have been out of Afghanistan long ago – but we are getting out.

              His energy policies have radically altered global politics – in the mideast in europe, Russia, China and the US.

              The US is a net energy exporter – we do not need mideast oil any more and we use less with every day.
              Trump has guaranteed European energy – between this and reduced US competition for mideast energy, He has protected the EU from russian and mideastern blackmail. He has tipped the market balance away from Russian and the mideast as producers to the EU as consumers. In return he is expecting and getting greater responsibility from Europe for atleast their first line of defense.
              Again disempowering Russia.

              When i hear of leftist idiots claiming Putin favors Trump – they are clearly clueless. Russia’s economy is in recession – possibly depression and has been for some time. While some of this actually began under Obama – Trump has continued and expanded it.

              Russia can not afford to be a world power. Their economy is 1/10th that of Europe. The only leverage Russia has is energy and Trump took that away. As to deap state analysts at the Russia desk in NSA, CIA, State – of course they think Putin favors Trump.
              They desparately want Biden so that they are back in the cat bird seat.
              Those of you on the left can not seem to grasp that intelligence weenies are ALWAYS going to overplay the significance and threat of whatever country they are responsible for.

              I can go on and on – the shifts of foreign policy in asia are incredible. Most of asia is working with the US to contain China.

              Trump exagerates his economic performance, but evebn after the Covid recession, by November he will still have outperformed Obama economically.

              There are other accomplishements such as an excellent tax reform that brings us closer to a flat tax, and encourages multinationals to invest in the US.

              There is criminal justice reform that while less than perfect is something Obama promised but failed to deliver.

              He has ended the stupid mess Obama created with mickey mouse tribunals in higher education.

          2. Yamiche Alcindor (WH correspondent), commenting on an exchange between Trump and a reporter at tonight’s press briefing:

            “Reporter: Do you regret all of the lying that you have done to the American people?
            “President Trump: What?
            “Reporter: Do you regret all of the lying that you have done to the American people?
            ” *silence*
            “Then, President Trump doesn’t answer and moves on to the next reporter.”

            https://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/1294032634256011265

            1. Yamiche is a political hack which is too bad b/c she could have become a solid reporter with a solid reputation, but she chose instead to be a hack reporter.

              Here is an example from a good reporter doing his job. When CBS correspondent Errol Barnett, who is black, asked Joe Biden to clarify if he had taken a cognitive test in reference to Biden’s prior comment to another reporter where he said he was “tested all the time.” So Barnett was simply asking Joe Biden to clarify whether he had taken a test or not. Something we still all want to know.

              Old Joe’s response?

              He lost his cool and fired back at the black interviewer, “are you a junkie?”

              Here’s the exchange ——>>

              “No, I haven’t taken a test. Why the hell would I take a test?” Biden asked.

              “Come on, man. That’s like saying to you, before you got on this program, if you had to take a test where you’re taking cocaine or not. What do you think, huh? Are you a junkie?”

              Ouch, Joe. Really bad. So so so bad.

              So we know Hunter Biden actually IS a junkie which is too bad for Joe and his family, but come on Joe. Can you do better? Apparently not.

              Biden has a history of inappropriate rudeness with journalists, but also with voters!! He snapped at a young woman in a townhall when she asked him a question, he responded by calling her a “lyin’ dog faced pony soldier” !!

              He told a black interviewer and his audience that “you ain’t black” if you aren’t voting for me, the Democrat!!

              In other instances we have Joe on video shouting at an auto worker at a campaign event who asked a question where Joe lost it again and angrily snapped back at the voter telling him he was “full of shit”…..don’t recall if it was same guy, but Joe has also offered to fist fight when he asked a voter if he wanted to “take it outside.”

              Sorry, but Joe Biden has never been a nice guy. That is an act. He is corrupt as hell, and a sleezy, lying, plagiarizing, not very bright, sociopathic, lifelong career politician. I don’t call that an impressive resume.

              And now? Joe Biden is losing his marbles, but the fake news media is doing its best to protect him and Kamala and run cover while going full steam ahead smearing and attacking President Trump. It’s obvious what’s going on to any one paying even just a tiny little bit of attention.

              1. I don’t care about your opinion of Alcindor, and nothing you wrote changes the fact that Trump was asked “Do you regret all of the lying that you have done to the American people?,” and he refused to answer.

                Maybe you think that’s better than Biden’s response. I don’t. And there are oodles of other examples, like Trump’s ridiculously false claim when Jonathan Swan tried to get him to focus on the per capita deaths from COVID-19, that “You can’t do that.” Did he fail 5th grade math? Of course you can calculate and compare per capita deaths!

                You may think I’m a Biden fan. I’m not. He’s better than Trump, but that’s an exceptionally low bar. Almost anyone would be better than Trump. Trump is a malignant narcissist.

                Pretty much everything you complain about with Biden, Trump is worse.

                “Biden has a history of inappropriate rudeness with journalists”

                Trump is even worse. Especially with women, and most especially women of color, unless they’re fawning over him.

                “Joe Biden has never been a nice guy.”
                “He is corrupt as hell”
                “Joe Biden is losing his marbles”

                Again: Trump is even worse on all those counts. Trump is also “sleezy, lying, … not very bright, sociopathic” (I don’t know if Trump and Biden are plagiarists.)

                “smearing and attacking President Trump”

                RME. Trump smears and attacks all sorts of people, including Biden and Harris. But you have a problem with them doing it back?

                  1. Please don’t misgender me. My preferred pronouns are they, them, their when being referred to in the third person. 🙂

                    1. Committ – Thanks for dropping the link. I just followed one of the supposed fact checks on James Comey and found it fascinating. It actually dissects the quote and then fact checks a part of the quote it might have a chance of finding inaccurate. And it really does not go after the main point of the paragraph, just some throw off sentence. In this case, were Jim Comey and Mueller best friends. His contention is that they were friends but not best friends because there is no proof they were are each others houses. His proof for this? Comey’s lawyer.

                    2. In contrast, Paul, you present absolutely no evidence.

                      “just some throw off sentence” is half of what Trump’s daily rambling consists of. And he often repeats those “throw off” sentences, which is why — if you look in that database at Trump’s claims about Comey and Mueller being “best friends”, you’ll see things like “repeated 11 times.”

                      Trump is a pathological liar.

                    3. “Trump is a pathological liar.”

                      For a person whose job has to deal with the precision of language and how different people hear these things it certainly doesn’t appear that you have much facility in that field when discussing politics. Your citation of a list of lies includes error by your citation, error in interpretation by your citation even after correction, puffery, etc. You are very sloppy when pointing out the lies of others and can’t even recognize your own.

                      The secretary mindset was very apropo in your case.

                    4. “In contrast, Paul, you present absolutely no evidence.”

                      Of what – you have made a claim that Trump lies.

                      Claims of moral failure require proof from those making the claim.

                      Paul pointed out that the first claim from your “proof” was micro-parsing.

                      Any claim that is decided by tangential questions of who came to whose home for dinner – fails to reach the the level of significance for sane people to care.

                      Any place with a list of 10,000 trump lies is by definition useless.

                      Trump has not had the time to make 10,000 consequential mis-statements of fact.

                      Further it is far less significant how many purported misrepresentations that are, as a single significant mis representation.

                      This would be an example of such a line

                    5. No one is interested in micro parsing by politically biased fact checkers.

                      YOU have claimed Trump lies constantly – the burden of Proof is YOURS.

                      Provide a specific example of a SIGNIFICANT lie.

                      Something on the order of
                      Of you like your doctor you can keep them.

                      Or
                      Benghazi was a spontaneous protest.

                      Or

                      I did not have sex with that woman.

                      Something clear, unequivocal, significant that does not require micro-parsing or reflect a difference of oppinion or policy rather than an actual mis representation of important facts

                1. “Trump smears and attacks all sorts of people, including Biden and Harris. But you have a problem with them doing it back?”

                  No, I have an issue with the biased mainstream media running cover for Democrats like Biden and Harris while working overtime to smear Trump.

                  “(I don’t know if Trump and Biden are plagiarists.)” Yes, we do know that Joe Biden actually *is* a plagiarist.

                2. “Trump was asked “Do you regret all of the lying that you have done to the American people?,” and he refused to answer.”

                  Correct response by Trump.. Ignore and move on. Trump showed restraint and took the high ground.

                  Joe Biden in a similar scenario? Snapped and told a voter (a VOTER!!) that he was “full of shit”!!!

                  Joe Biden in a similar situation? Lost his cool and asked a black interviewer if he was “a junkie” !!!

                  Joe Biden in a similar situation? Asked the voter if he wanted to “take it outside” !!!

                  1. Additionally, have you ever seen Barack Obama or Joe Biden stand for an hour or more answering reporters questions on the fly, completely transparently the way Trump regularly does? No you haven’t. And you never will. The press today have had remarkable access to Trump.

                    1. Trump has had a level of engagement with a hostile press that no other president ever has come close to.

                      And you really think that Biden is going to be able to handle Trump in a debate ?

                      Biden is not up to tough questioning.
                      Trump has dealt with atleast 4 years of brutal questioning.

                      Trump had some minor fumbles in his Chris Wallace interview, regardless he handled a tough interview with no precondictions well.

                      Biden muffs softballs.

                      I am not even sure Biden can manage more than a 3 sentence long speech with a Telepromter.

                3. “He’s better than Trump…”

                  Uh, OMG, like what planet are you on?? Trump is outstanding in comparison to demented, corrupt, lazy, entitled, Joe Biden. Unquestionably.

                    1. Joe Biden’s campaign pledge to the American voters: “If you elect me to be President, I promise I will step aside sooner than any president in recent memory.”

                      Is America voting to put Kamala Harris in the Oval Office as president? Not now. Not ever.

                    2. “Is America voting to put Kamala Harris in the Oval Office as president? Not now. Not ever.”

                      America didn’t vote to put either Trump or Bush W into office, so you owe us at least two.

                    3. “America didn’t vote to put either Trump or Bush W into office, so you owe us at least two.”

                      And yet they did.

                4. Commit — everyone in Washington DC knows Joe Biden is a brazen liar, backstabber and a serial plagiarist. He’s now stealing ideas from not only Reagan, but Biden is actually using ideas from Trump’s campaign as well with his pledge to bring back American manufacturing and to buy American. Remember Barack Obama’s magic wand comment? How you gonna do that Trump? Do you have a magic wand? Now candidate Joe Biden is stealing Trump’s agenda and words as well. Joe Biden is a serial plagiarist.

                  Biden even plagiarized Reagan in his speech introducing Kamala Harris to his team ——–>>>>

                  “You would think Biden – and his speechwriters of today – would have learned. But as Ken Khachigian astutely realized, they haven’t.

                  So towards the end of his introduction speech for Harris, ole Sleepy Joe suddenly waxed downright Reagan-esque. What began with plagiarizing from Neil Kinnock has migrated over time to Robert Kennedy, John Kennedy and now….Ronald Reagan.”

                  https://thejeffreylord.com/reagan-speechwriter-biden-plagiarized-reagan-in-harris-announcement-speech/?utm_source=socialflow

                  1. No one who supports Trump has standing to complain about “lying”.

                    Bringing back jobs and manufacturing is not something Trump invented or accomplished. Are you 16 years old?

                    1. “No one who supports Trump has standing to complain about “lying”.

                      False. Anyone can complain about the actual misrepresentations of anyone else.
                      It would be wise to be tight and be consequential

                      “Bringing back jobs and manufacturing is not something Trump invented”
                      Correct. But he did it.

                      ” or accomplished.”

                      Are you 16 years old?

                    2. Here’s how Scott Adams summed it up:

                      “Democrats in the FBI and the media conspired to overthrow the government, got caught, and 70% of the country will never hear about it. It won’t even be framed that way in history books. Because the perpetrators control the news and schools.” @ScottAdamsSays

                      I would call this “lying by omission” by the so-called “news media”…..rest assured….their “job” is not reporting the “news”….

                  2. ROFL that you and Jeffrey Lord think two people talking about America as a country of “possibilities” constitutes plagiarism.

                    Truly, how absolutely stupid and/or dishonest do you have to be to claim that?

                    Do you have any idea how many people have described America that way? FFS, it’s part of the “American Dream” ideal. Was Reagan plagiarizing from all the previous people when *he* said it? RME.

                    As for “brazen liar” and “backstabber,” Trump is again worse on those scales, along with many others.

                    1. There are decades of examples of Biden’s plagerism and he has admitted them.
                      He has on numerous occasions taken entire speaches of british politicians nearly word for word.

                      And he has admitted to it.

                      After some egregious examples – reporters became more inquisitive and therefore found less significant examples of plagerism.

                    2. Once again Needs to be Committed lied by omission. She intentionally forgot about the big episodes of Biden’s plaigerism. She also lied by commission or at the very least attempted to deceive by using examples of Biden’s plaigerism that doesn’t satisfactorily represent that part of Biden’s character. As far as CTHD goes she demonstrates no ethics and no morality. She would have been better off picking a different alias.

                    3. Honestly, I do not care alot about Biden’s “big” instances of plagerism.

                      A politician copying another politician is not a big deal for me.

                      But it is fine for the press to take note, and it is wrong to lie about it.

                    4. “But it is fine for the press to take note, and it is wrong to lie about it.”

                      John, my concern had nothing to do with the press or Biden. In fact it wasn’t even a concern. I took note how in the same argument Needs to be Committed could lie using both omission and commission at the same time. She seems very experienced in that field.

                    5. “As for “brazen liar” and “backstabber,” Trump is again worse on those scales, along with many others.”

                      Actual examples, please.
                      If you make a moral accusation you are obliged to prove it.

                      There is plenty of proof of Biden’s plagerism if you want.
                      And none of it requires microparsing, nor is it merely coopting a few phrases.

                    6. “As for “brazen liar” and “backstabber,” Trump is again worse on those scales, along with many others.”

                      I disagree.

                      Regarding “backstabbing”….see Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. He has plenty to say about Senator Joe Biden. And there are many other examples.

                      Regarding “brazen lies” ….see Joe Biden’s documented history of plagiarizing and getting caught lying…there’s plenty of it. (from back when the news journalists used to do their job of vetting political candidates….something that unfortunately no longer happens today…)

                    7. Trump is not a ‘backstabber.’ He says what he thinks, out loud, for everyone to know. That’s called ‘transparency.’

                5. “I don’t care about your opinion of Alcindor, and nothing you wrote changes the fact that Trump was asked “Do you regret all of the lying that you have done to the American people?,” and he refused to answer.”

                  That is correct he was asked a question with a foundational moral premise that was assumed not proven, and he wisely chose to skip Alicindor as she is lacking integrity.

                  There is no meaningful difference between this question and

                  “Have you stopped beating your wife ?”.

                  That you do not recognize that is just evidence of you immature moral development.

                6. Commit to DisHonest Discussion — Another example…

                  Watch this CNN interview between the insufferable Christiane Amanpour and Jared Kushner. She asked him why Trump is “spreading disinformation contrary to the Constitution” about Kamala Harris? And she asked if Trump “should apologize”!!!

                  Kushner responds by pointing out that she (and CNN) are the ones “spreading disinformation.” Later, on CNN, and NBC, MSNBC, etc, that’s all they talked about — was how Trump is spreading disinformation about Kamala’s eligibility ala the “birther” controversy.

                  In other words, the reporter at the press conference asked Trump a “gotcha” question. Then the media/CNN proceeded to make it the topic of discussion for the rest of the news cycle — instead of taling about the historic peace agreement between Israel and UAE, and other more important and notable “news.” But instead, CNN and other media harped on this “manufactured news” intended to hurt the President.

                  This all began because a hack reporter asked a “gotcha” question intended to “manufacture” a controversy. And FYI, the media do not treat Joe Biden this way. In case you hadn’t noticed.

                  1. By “other more important and notable “news” I am referencing the guilty plea by Clinesmith – a significant news item that both CNN and MSNBC devoted no time to that night. No, instead they harped on Trump’s “birther controversy” re Kamala Harris and how he should apologize, etc. So their viewers actually know nothing about the historic peace agreement nor the first shoe to drop in the Obamagate Spying scandal.

                    See how “the fake news” works when you are a Republican?

                    This is Fake News CNN. And BSNBC. Propaganda thru and thru.

                    1. I have not found where Trump said Harris was ineligible.
                      He merely cited an article by a law professor and said it raised questions that should be looked into.

                      And the press want so whigg out over that ?

                      Presuming – as appears to be the case Harris was born in the US – and not the child of a diplomat at the time, she is a citizen according to the 14th amendment and qualified to be president.

                      Is there a reason that we should not verify that my presumption is actually true ?

                      And Trump owes no one an appology for asking questions.

                  2. This is an excellent video. Christiane Amanpour failed to do her dirty work and Kushner stood his ground. He has gotten better. At the end Christiane Amanpour after Kusher was off air took a final shot and lied about mail in ballots saying no fraud has been seen. Typical leftie reporter who tries to take a last shot when the guest is off the air because all her other attempts failed.

                    1. There has been amssive amounts of problems with mail in ballots already.

                      Does it matter whether they are fraud or other forms of failure ?

                      Does it matter why your vote does not count.

            2. Your cite is just the evidence of what is wrong with the press.

              Trump should have more than moved on.

              If you are going to accuse someone of lying – the burden of proof is on you.

              Alcindor has not met her burden. Like you she has proven herself dishonest.

  5. “In March of 1921, I witnessed the clash of a three-person machine-gun squad with a demonstration march comprised of as many as 5,000 participants.—
    A minute after the order to fire was given, the demonstrators vanished from the scene even though not one single person had been
    injured. The sight of this event had something magical about it; it evoked that deep sense of delight which takes hold of one when an
    ignoble demon is unmasked.”

    — Ernst Junger, “On Pain”

    https://archive.org/stream/OnPain/On%20Pain_djvu.txt

  6. Jonathan Turley, I enjoyed reading your article, and I agree with you, however, please note that the terms “media” and “data” are plural.

  7. “The FBI” never says anything. Only people talk. Either officials, with names, or some rumor-monger without a name. People were lying, FBI people.

    ” In 2017, key agents were aware that the basis for the FISA applications were dubious and likely false.” These agents were lying. They should be indicted, tried, and punished if convicted.

    Media silence is to support the Dem gov’t criminals in avoiding any punishment. Everybody who supports Dems supports this injustice.

  8. Jonathan: There is a conspiracy theory making the rounds that AG Barr is planning an “October surprise” to help Trump get over the finish line despite all his troubles. e.g., poor poll numbers due to his total mishandling of the coronavirus, etc. The “October surprise” has an ignoble history in US presidential elections. Both Democrats and Republicans have resorted to it. In 1972 Nixon and Henry Kissinger announced 12 days before the election that “peace is at hand” in the Vietnam war–even though the war would continue for 3 more years. The announcement negated McGovern’s main platform and Nixon cruised to victory. Now what is not a conspiracy theory is how Barr operates and what he may do in late October to overcome Biden’s lead in the polls. From day one Barr has proved a loyal supporter of Trump’s political interests. So there will be no holes barred (no pun intended) in pursuing the Trump agenda.

    This brings us to the John Durham investigation and what it may portend for a possible “October surprise”. Barr has tasked Durham with a sweeping global probe to try to discredit the consensus of the US intelligence that Russia intervened in the 2016 election in support of Trump. No small task. But Barr thinks Durham is up to this major responsibility. Trump has said the entire Russian investigation was “corrupt” and Barr/Durham are out to prove it. Although the DOJ is not supposed to comment about ongoing investigations Barr observes the rule more in the breech than in its observance. He has publicly said that Durham’s job is “to bring justice to people who are engaged in abuses if he [Durham] can show that there were criminal violations,…”. Barr would like nothing better then for Durham to bring criminal indictments against former CIA director John Brennan and former national intelligence chief James Clapper. On Fox News in April Barr made his bias even clearer: “I think what happened to [Trump] was one of the greatest travesties in American history. Without any basis, they started this investigation of his campaign, and even more concerning, actually is what happened after the campaign, a whole pattern of events while he [Trump] was president.So I–to sabotage the presidency, and I think that–or at least have the effect of sabotaging the presidency”. No fair and impartial administration of justice under Barr’s DOJ!

    What is clear is that Barr is willing to go to any lengths to try to “sabotage” Biden’s chances of electoral victory–that is the whole purpose of the Durham investigation. He is declassifying intelligence documents, publicly exposing confidential and anonymous sources of information and passing this information on to Lindsey Graham, another Trump supporter, who then can claim: “The entire Russia investigation was corrupt!”.

    Now it appears you also have jumped on the Barr bandwagon to try to discredit the Russia investigation and provide the basis for the latest “October surprise”. If Barr pulls it off you will no long be able to complain the press has ignored the issue. It will be on the headlines of every major newspaper in the country!

    1. AS a health care professional i get so tired of hearing how Trump screwed up and did little during covid BS. He did more than Hillary ever would have as they want the population reduced.The man provided hospital ships PPE and vents and he did with the private sector, a Dem would never have thought of and we are much better off for it. As for masks, stop making yourself sick, They do not help that much N 95 and surgical if you are going to wear one and a new one each time. No you can’t hang it on your car mirror and wear it 30 times you raise your risk by a large margin.Fauci is not your friend.

      1. Dee, your conjecture that “He did more than Hillary ever would have” is only that: a conjecture.

        The fact is that Trump did **much less** than many other leaders around the world and **much less** than he could have done.
        Some relevant details here:
        https://jonathanturley.org/2020/08/11/does-mandatory-mask-enforcement-violate-the-american-disability-act/comment-page-1/#comment-1988928

        We rank 10th worst in the world in deaths per capita, and that doesn’t even consider all of the people who now have longterm health and/or economic problems.

        COVID-19 itself was not Trump’s fault, but his horrendous response is absolutely his fault.

        1. “Dee, your conjecture that “He did more than Hillary ever would have” is only that: a conjecture.”
          Correct, but it is still a valid conclusion. Predictions about alternate futures can never be more than conjecture.

          “The fact is that Trump did **much less** than many other leaders around the world and **much less** than he could have done.”
          Maybe,
          But you are begging the question – What matters ?

          Many countries did more, many did less. Outcomes have ZERO correlation between what world leaders did and outcomes.

          Sweden did almost nothing, and they did as well as the US and Europe – with less economic damage. and they are mostly through this and have a very high probability that their future is brighter than any other country. C19 has nearly disappeared in Sweden AND people have been returning to normal for a long time.

          Nowhere else in the world can claim that. Nowhere else in the world dare hope that. The Swedes KNOW that they are nearly through.

          Why are you linking to a comment as evidence of something ?

          “We rank 10th worst in the world in deaths per capita,”
          True – but several European countries did far worse, and the US is doing better than the EU as a whole
          And those countries that did worse than the US implimented the draconian measures you demand.

          Further most of the nations that purportedly did better do not have systems of reliable data,

          There is much more possible criticism of your statistical gamesmanship – such as that you are not comparing apples to apples.
          C19 reached countries strongly connected to global exchange first – many parts of the world are only starting into C19.

          If you eliminated NY from the US – the US would fall near the bottom of the world in deaths/100m.

          High death rates/million correlate strongly to population denisity.

          “and that doesn’t even consider all of the people who now have longterm health and/or economic problems.”
          Yes, Damn it We MUST do something!!!! it is entirely irrelevant whether we have any actual ability to accomplish any good,
          Still we must do Something!!! We must spend Trillions, F over peoples liberty – not to reduce deaths, not to improve outcomes but just to prove we care!!!

          “COVID-19 itself was not Trump’s fault, but his horrendous response is absolutely his fault.”
          And yet the US outcome is indistinguishable from countries that did as you demand.

          You are under the delusion that there was something to be done.

          You are demanding mask mandates – yet many countries that have done better than the US in the data you cite – have no masks at all.

          Egypt and Bangeledesch had very low Death rates purportedly – should they be our model ?

          AGAIN there is no positive correlation between the impact of C19 and the measures that various governments have taken.
          There are a few steps that have proven clearly harmful – such as sending infected patients to nursing homes.

          You argue for manditory masks – I have argued for real world testing of the effectiveness of masks.

          Regardless accross the world many countries have mandated masks, many have not.
          There is little evidence of meaningful impact.

          If you want to use FORCE – we need more than competing claims of experts who are not near in agreement.
          We need actual real world evidence that what you intend to impose by force WORKS.

          You have cited lab evidence that Masks are effective.

          There are numerous drugs – including HCQ that are dramatically effective in lab tests.

          If all you need is lab tests – then why isn’t HCQ being mandated for everyone?
          It is extremely effective in vitro.

      2. I will not give Trump as much credit as you – mostly because the power of the President is (and should) be limited.

        But the amazing story of C19 is the incredible response of the Free Market.

        We F’d the economy, The Chinese cut us off from PPE, Demand turned on a dime – suddenly we needed TP, Hand Sanitizer, PPE, Ventalators.

        And the free Market Delivered.

        Every morning the shelves in LA cleared of TP, every night they were fully restocked.
        No matter how much TP we horded – there was more the next day.

        In a week or two there was enough Hand Sanitizer to fill an ocean.

        For a Few weeks government lied to us about masks so hospitals would not run out,
        In a very short time there wre masks for everyone – China be damned. And the US was exporting PPE.

        We purportedly were going to need ventalators out the wahzoo. So Musk started making them from car parts.
        In the end there was no shortage.

        Regardless whatever we needed – the free market was there.

        Not Democrats, not Republicans, not Trump, Free Markets.

        And yet we have badly educated young adults from our best colleges rioting, looting, burning and ranting about marxism.

        WE are currently fighting about reopening our schools – it might not be safe for teachers.

        Most teachers and professors today should be FIRED for F’ing up our kids.

        We need to reopen schools – but we need new teachers. Ones that are teaching that 2 + 2 = 4 – not that math is racist. ‘
        Ones that are teaching our kids to aspire to success, not victimhood.

        1. John Say,
          “Ones that are teaching that 2 + 2 = 4 – not that math is racist. ‘”

          This sort of nonsense is mostly coming from professors. Most teachers actually want to teach math.

          1. Our K12 education is not as corrupt as our higher education – but there are still lots of problems.

            The education system leans heavily to the left in much of the country.

            It does not prepare kids to improve there circumstances as adults.

  9. ” F.B.I. officials had sufficient reason to open the investigation into links between Russia and Trump campaign aides in 2016″
    Correct – the standard is reasonable suspicion – that is incredibly low.
    This is also relevant to Trump’s request that Ukriane investigate Biden which had an even LOWER standard.

    “acted without political bias”
    False Horowitz DID NOT conclude that. He explicitly disowned any such claim in his testimony.
    He specifically noted that he was barred by the IG rules from finding political bias absent an admission of Bias.
    He was asked whether the texts of Strzok and many other things were indicia of Bias and he agreed they were, but that was outside of his scope.

    “We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced”
    That is correct. The standard for the IG is not the same as for Durham.

    “The report also rebuffed other conservative claims that the F.B.I. spied on the Trump campaign as part of a politicized plot.”
    False – that was not within the scope of the IG.

    ” It confirmed that the F.B.I. opened the inquiry in July 2016 as stolen Democratic emails spilled out and investigators learned that a Trump campaign aide bragged that he had been told that Russia had information that could damage Hillary Clinton.”
    That is correct.

    “Investigators did not open the inquiry based on a notorious dossier of opposition research from Christopher Steele, a former British spy whose research was funded by Democrats, Mr. Horowitz found….”
    That is only “litterally” correct. The investigation was opened based on reports of the Downer exchange with Papadoulis.
    Those reports INACCURATETLY asserted that Papadoulis was referencing the DNC emails.
    When through interviews of Downer and Papadoulis it was determined that the exchange did NOT refer to the DNC emails, the Downer information ceased to exist as a basis for continuing the investigation. It was AT THAT Time that the Steele Dossier became the justification for continuing the investigation. From Sept/Oct 2016 through Jan 2017 the Steele Dossier was the Only justification for the investigation.
    THAT was Horowitz’s FINDING.
    After Jan 2017 Horowitz found that there was insufficient justification to continue XFH.

    I have no idea if your Blumenthal exchange is accurate – you are not a trustworthy source.
    Regardless, it is either flat out Wrong or incredibly literal.

    There is numerous documented and admitted Confidential Human Sources that would used against the Trump campaign
    It is still not established who Mifsud worked for – but it is HIGHLU unlikely it was the Russians. It is near certain some western intelligence agency – the most likely being the FBI – however Horowitz could not find evidence Mifsud worked for the FBI.
    Stephan Halper was absolutely used against the Trump campaign, he was definitely in the employ of the US government, but not the FBI
    Azra Turk – an assistant of Halper was also used unsuccessfully as a Honey Pot on Papadoulis. It is not known who she worked for

    Beyond that the entire purpose of the FISA warrants was to SPY on the Trump campaign.

    I would note the scope of the Horowitz investigation was the FBI and DOJ. Horowitz did not and was unable to investigate outside the FBI and DOJ. Further Horowitz could only question former FBI/DOJ people with their permission – most refused.
    Horowitz was required – just as with the Clinton probe to accept the judgments and conclusions of the FBI except where directly contradicted by the evidence. As an example Horowitz explicitly noted that most of Comey’s decisions in the Clinton email case were outside the norms. But they were still within the law.

    You have repeatedly argued that intent is required for an 18 USC 793(f) prosecution – that is false there have been many. It is also false as Intent is trivially established in this case. But it WAS inside of Comey’s prosecutorial descretion to recomend not to prosecute – even if it was outside the norms. Though Horowitz did chastize Comey for infringing on AG Lynch’s domain.

    So the Horowitz Report is both Damning and very limited in scope.

  10. It also didn’t identify Hillary Clinton as the individual who paid to have him write the document. That is part of an ongoing investigation given several other of her activities..

      1. To keep the discussion honest, let’s follow the money. The Clinton Campaign paid Fusion GPS through their attorney, Perkins Coie. The laundering of the money ultimately results in the fact that Clinton paid Steele.

        1. You have a strange definition for money laundering.
          And if you use your logic, then if Trump hires a company who employs an illegal immigrant (something he’s done), then Trump himself is paying that illegal immigrant. Is that really what you want to argue?

          1. “And if you use your logic, then if Trump hires a company who employs an illegal immigrant (something he’s done), then Trump himself is paying that illegal immigrant. Is that really what you want to argue?”

            The left argues that all the time.

            If I hire a lawyer to buy a house for me,
            Is it my house ? Or does it belong to the lawyer ?

            Regardless, are you saying that Clinton did NOT want Perkins Coie to get dirt on Trump ?

            You have claimed that the fake contacts between Trump and Russians would have been crimes if they were real.
            If Trump went through several cuttouts like Clinton would that have made them legitimate ?

            How many layers of lawyers etc does it take to make your shit quit stinking ?

        2. CTHD always tries to confuse the issues with trivialities.

          Hillary pays a capo who pays Vinnie who then kills Fince Voster.

          Was Hillary a part of Fince Voster’s death? The strange and dark workings of a CTHD mind is that Hillary is totally uninvolved with the murder.

  11. “mislead” ain’t that the same thing as perjury…..? I know, I know I only have a BA in Social Science but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once and I know a lie when I read a lie….

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