We have previously discussed the practice on some airlines to ask women move to accommodate ultra-Orthodox Jewish men who refuse to sit next to women. Now, Melanie Wolfson, 38, a British-Israeli woman, is suing EasyJet after she was asked her to change seats on a flight from Tel Aviv to London.
Wolfson is asking for 66,438 shekels compensation in a lawsuit filed by the Israel Religious Action Center (IRAC). She wants the airline to bar future demands or requests for women to move. She noted that she paid extra for an aisle seat on her flight last October, but an ultra-Orthodox man and his son were sitting in the row when she arrived. According to Haaretz, she claims that the request was insulting and humiliating.
What is interesting about the lawsuit is that Wolfson was not told to switch, was offered the incentive of a free hot drink, and ultimately agreed to move. However, two months later, she was again asked to move for the same reason. She then refused but two other female passengers agreed to move.
I am still unsure how a request can be the basis for a legal action. Nevertheless, I do not believe that this is an appropriate basis for flight staff to ask for women to move. We have discussed cases where women feel enormous pressure to move because of a refusal of these men to take their seats. The delaying of the flights increases the tension and embarrassment for these women. In my view, the men should be asked to leave the plane if they are delaying the flight. If they want to ensure that no women sit next to them, they can pay extra to have the entire row.
The question is whether the airline should be subject to legal penalties or public pressure. The only reason that I do not rule out such lawsuit entirely is that there is still the element of public embarrassment. Moreover, how would we react if EasyJet asked an African American to move because someone did not want to sit next to a person of a different race or Jewish person because someone is anti-Semitic? An important distinction can be drawn on this being an article of faith and that other religions like Islam separate people of different genders under other circumstances. Yet, these men are following religious beliefs that many women and men view as sexist and offensive. For women to be pressured to move (as a flight is delayed) is in my view unreasonable.
Sometimes taking one for the team is better that Shekels
Trohar in the past and present has demonstrated problems with the indigenous people of Judea/Samaria and Jerusalem. It is all based on ignorance and hate. Mark Twain wrote of Israel, a “desolate country… We never saw a human being on the whole route… There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere.” The trees, shrubs, farms and industry were built by the Jews that lived there.
You probably think other people have a right to that land when in fact those people were born in the surrounding nations. The land was partitioned after the 1948 war based on who controlled the area. A tiny new nation almost completely unarmed defended itself against against 6 Arab nations intended to destroy Israel and murder the Jews.
The Arab side walked away with the vast majority of the land so one would have thought that after such a battle and division where most of the land was denied to Israel that the Arabs would have been satisfied and peace would have developed. It didn’t and war after war has been fought.
Since then the deserts have been turned green by Jews and Israel has become one of the most advanced nations in the world especially in the area of technology. Its government is democratically run. Arabs are in the Knesset and on the Supreme Court. There is freedom for all citizens whether Jewish, Muslim or Christian, no matter the race, whether gay or straight etc. No other nation in that area has been blessed with providing so much equality and personal freedom to the people that live in the Middle East.
Allan……….Great comment! L’Chaim!
p.s. Professor Turley’s wife is Jewish.
Two Jewish guys want to sit with each other. Big whoop. This woman could have been more accommodating. Maybe these guys should have flown on an airline that would allow them to buy tickets for seating that would let them be together. Actually, who cares.
The problem had nothing to do with them sitting together. They had the window and center seat. The problem is that they demanded that the woman who had paid extra for the aisle seat not be allowed to sit there next to them. If they have a problem sitting next to a woman, then they should be the ones to move to other seats. They have no right to demand control over a seat that they do not hold a ticket for.
The problem is that they demanded that the woman who had paid extra for the aisle seat not be allowed to sit there next to them.
They asked her to switch with someone else. It shouldn’t have been difficult to persuade another aisle seat holder to change rows.
“It shouldn’t have been difficult to persuade another aisle seat holder to change rows.”
You weren’t there, obviously, but as usual you’re the one with all the answers.
+10
If they want control of a row of three seats, then they should purchase a ticket for the third seat.
What is an “Ulta orthodox” person?
There is no god.
Oh there is most defiantly a GOD but he is just a major DICK
The SBC/Southern Baptist Convention has more members than any other Protestant sect, and is the largest (by members) concentration of so-called “evangelicals” (persons who believe in spreading the “good news” of salvation in Christ). The SBC is an “Israel First” organization, requiring all members pledge permanent and official obeisance to modern Israel, specifically believing that modern nuclear armed “Israel” is the fulfillment of Old Testament Israel.
https://www.baptistpress.com/resource-library/news/evangelicals-support-israel-disagree-on-why/
The SBC officially allows sum total one interpretation of this verse God spoke to Abraham before Abraham had any children: “I shall bless those who bless thee and curse those who curse thee.” Abraham later begat Isaac who later begat Jacob, which later God changed Jacob’s name to Israel and later that name applied to the so-called “Promised Land,” some piece of ME dirt in OT times.
Of course the word “thee” normally translates “you.” Wrongly, strangely, and inexplicably, the SBC states that in this case “thee” means the modern nation of Israel created by US and League of Nations by threat of violence in the ME 2k years later. And God never gave Abraham the secret translation code, but rather instead God saw fit to give the code to the SBC. Per the SBC when God spoke to Abe, he said “thee” but meant some ME dirt 2k years later. If that sounds strange that’s because it’s pure unadulterated BS of the highest order.
To US SBC members and about 99% of “evangelicals” it means that God requires them to give any amount of wealth and blood to the modern pagan ME nation of Israel, or else suffer the pangs of death and hell. If you don’t believe, call your local SBC Pastor and ask if you can join if you believe that modern Israel is NOT the fulfillment of OT Israel. That pastor shall say flatly no.
Hence evangelicals are the single largest source of US approval for any and every ME military excursion.
This entire line of Christian (AKA Zionist) thought control started in the early 20th C with the Oxford Press Scofield Reference Bible, the first Bible with liner notes, which includes the interpretation described above. The “Israel First” meme is also inextricably entwined with “Futurism” which is the “end times” belief that Jesus comes again in the future, to, wait for it, you guessed, Israel.
Some extreme futurists believe that when Jesus comes again he shall rebuild the blood sacrifice temple in Israel, and that some of the current Christ deniers in Israel shall be converted to faith in Christ. Hence, these “evangelicals” place the existence of Israel above even the US need to exist, thinking that if modern Israel did not exist then their “faith” is in vain. IOW their faith and their life requires the existence of modern Israel, hence the threat to blow up the planet if Israel’s existence is threatened. .
The SBC is an “Israel First” organization, requiring all members pledge permanent and official obeisance to modern Israel,
It’s a non creedal body you worthless ignoramus.
So says the fist Israel First poster.
You can’t join the SBC if you deny modern Israel is the fulfillment of OT Israel you lying Israel Firster. Being the fulfillment of OT Israel means, if you join the SBC, you place Israel above the US you gutless wonder. Per the SBC America is not a required nation while Israel is.
You wouldn’t know the meaning of being an SBC member if you lived in one.
You can’t join the SBC if you deny modern Israel is the fulfillment of OT Israel you lying Israel Firster.
Again, restating the issue of your imagination does not render it true.
The SBC link title: “Evangelicals Support Israel.” It’s not optional, liar.
Again, there is a difference between a creedal statement and a report of a common opinion. This is not difficult to understand.
Stop wasting your time and post an SBC link that contradicts the one I posted, one that agrees with your imagination, liar. Again for your simple mind, the SBC article is titled: “Evangelicals Support Israel.”
Maybe you can post a non-existent SBC link that has an alternate interpretation for the Bible Vs. I posted, one that contradicts the lying, cheating, convicted criminal Scofield’s interpretation. Scofield, whom the Oxford Press chose to publish, whom had absolutely no prior academic training, and was never published prior, something that Oxford never or virtually never before did.
And how strange, that if you pickup a Scofield Reference Bible today, a C after Scofield died, it has been edited a thousand times by various persons not named Scofield, but if you read a recent printing, the only editor listed is Scofield, as if he still lives to edit the book. Gee, I wonder why that is?
Princess……You ‘re wrong……not even in the ballpark.
My advice is discuss something you know.
Exposing your lie in my link is an inconvenient truth to Israel Firsters. The reason is because the SBC is likely the single biggest source of approval of illegal ME military excursions. The 2nd is probably Raytheon employees and other employees within the MIC.
What part of the 3 words in the title of the article at the SBC link I posted do you not understand, idiot?
“Evangelicals Support Israel”
If those 3 words do not constitution a “creed” than you need to repeat the 5th and subsequent grades. Creed = religious belief.
Your post is the typical wrath one must endure when exposing the pith of the Israel First meme, and the direct and original source of its largest concentration of proponents in the US, “evangelicals” AKA Zionist puppet quasi-Christians.
And thanks for agreeing with the rest of my post.
Straw man. I never stated the SBC is a “creedal body.” What I typed stands. You can’t join the SBC or remain a member if you deny the deity of Christ, and ditto if you deny that a piece of nuclear-armed dirt in the ME called “Israel” (which the US and League Of Nations created by threat of force) is the fulfillment of Old Testament Israel.
I know persons kicked out for denying as I describe above. I also know they kick out anyone denying the future coming of Jesus, IOW “Futurism” is also an SBC creed whether they call it that or not is irrelevant..
Very well said, Princess Trohar. The Scofield Reference “Bible” was a hoax based upon the false dispensationa teachings of Moody, J/ N/ Darby and others in the early 1900’s. Scofield was a con man, forger, and an adulterer who was welcomed into the Southern Baptist Church with open arms. He was seeking money to write his bible, and the Zionists in NY at the Lotos club saw a mark, a tool to use to support their desires to establish the Greater Israel Project of the Rothschilds. The Rothschilds had been up the lands in Palestine from the mid-1800’s and wanted control of all of the ME resources. The Golan heights are filled with oil. If they could somehow convince the world that Israel had to be reestablished, then as the new land owners, they could control it all.
Samuel J. untermeyer admitted Scofield into the Literary Committee of the Lotos club where Scofield suddenly obtained a Phd. He reportedly spent 7 years with his “notes” for his reference bible, and then the Oxford Univ. Press printed the first edition in 1909. Second edition printed in 1917, and isn’t it interesting that the marginal notes telling everyone how to properly understand each verse of scripture conveniently leads to the belief that Israel must be rebuilt, and a 3rd temple has to be reinstated. And, Americans are hornswoggled into believing that trash, and sends money and arms to the new “state” of Israel. In 1948, all of the people in Palestina are forcibly removed from the homes and property at gun point.
The dispensational teachings aided the Zionists in their aims of a land grab. None of the scriptures teach that we are in the last days. That is a complete political psyop. The last days were defined in scripture as the last days of each of the tribes of Israel (Gen.49:1-ff), of which Judah would be the last when the law giver and the scepter would pass to Christ. That transfer occurred in the 1st cent. AD, approx. AD 30-31 at His crucifixion. Judah and Jerusalem and the temple (heaven and earth) were destroyed 40 years later in the Roman – Jewish wars in AD 70. Just as all of the NT, and all of Revelation, and just as Ezekiel, Isaiah, Daniel, Malachi, etc had foretold.
The last days were the last days of that animal sacrificial temple in Jerusalem where those who had crucified Christ were still attempting to keep the old Mosaic temple worship system. The rabbis knew it was not working, as they recorded that for 40 years before the temple was destroyed the red ribbon hung on the temple door at Yom Kippur never turned white. They knew their sins were not forgiven, and their sacrifices were no longer acceptable to God.
The Bible never speaks of an end of time, nor end of the entire physical earth. Zionism is a political tool of the Rothschilds, and the international bankers. Americans who have sworn to support the “state” of Israel have denied Christ by supporting a group of people who deny Him with their every breath. He will remember that denial.
Much scriptural proof is available at the blog ShreddingTheVeil.org. Internal evidences are overwhelming. We are living in the everlasting kingdom of the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot), The Feast of Ingathering, ….THE Feast of Nations. And, Christ is ruling at the right hand of the Father now, and judging all. That is the essence of His reign.
When all men are finally brothers, women will still be second class citizens. This is what’s really at the heart of the trans movement. Men dressed as women still have more rights than women. They can come into our restrooms, take our scholarships, even be awarded the coveted (heavy sarcasm) woman of the year award from a news magazine that used to matter. And back to the subject at hand, it would seem that in the age of technology, it would be easy enough for an airline to provide an option for orthodox Jews to specify no women in the row. It ain’t rocket science. But I would put them in the back row up against the restrooms.
Well said Allison.
Easy Jet may do whatever the —- it wants in America under the “manifest tenor” of the Constitution in the “land of the free,” one presumes.
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5th Amendment
“No person shall be…deprived of…property,…”
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Easy Jet is private property.
The right to private property is absolute.
Congress has no power to “claim or exercise dominion over” the private property of individuals.
The judicial branch has no power to legislate and no power to legislate regulation.
Congress has the power to regulate only “money,” “commerce” and “land and naval Forces.”
Regulation of free enterprises and industries is done naturally by free markets, and it is done deliberately and voluntarily through agreements by the owners of private property.
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People must adapt to the outcomes of freedom, understanding that statutes and laws against property damage and bodily injury are extant and constitutional.
Freedom does not adapt to people, dictatorship does.
You’re really a DH sometimes. She bought the seat, idiot. By your own rule, it’s her seat, not under the control any more of the airline. They gave up their control of her seat when they received her money.
The airline does not get to take her seat back because she has a vagina instead of penis DB.
No, she bought services from them, not real property. The specific seat isn’t hers.
She bought, and the airline sold her occupation of the seat for that flight. I can play your stupid word games all day.
We idiots enjoy life. God gave us an exemption from perceiving our own idiocy. We’re too dumb to know how dumb we are. Ain’t it great?
You are simply brilliant; would that I have thought of that.
According to my research and according to you, I am either a “darling husband,” a “dermatitis herpetiformis” or a “designated hitter?” The fact is not distinguishable. Fess up. Which is it?
Oh, and was “Individual-1” provided a grant deed, or a stipulation otherwise describing an irregular mode of possession or was he/she simply provided transportation from point A to point B?
Also, may I make future use of and give attribution to you for the phrase you coined, as the very definition of a savage, vituperative ad hominem onslaught?
And the latter, let me guess, Deutsche Bank, decibel or database.
Am I right, come on, maaaann, I’m right aren’t I?
Trohar This is a load of blather-scribe jabberwokey coming from a dratsab islamists? I have seen on many flights the attendants ask a passenger to relocate and never seen one turn it down. They even request you to reseat if you believe or have a reason you can not carry out duties at the exit door. I am SBC and most members do believe in Jesus Christ as God’s son and redeemer. Most do believe that Israel has a stated spiritual and historical place. If you want to believe in Mohammed and think that women are chattel that is your prerogative. For the record if she occupied a seat and made the flight destination, and seats were comparable, there are no damages to her. “The fool hath said in his heart, there is no GOD. Selah
This didn’t happen in the US. It happened on a flight from Tel Aviv to London.