A picture has been circulating on the Internet among Democratic and liberal posters that purportedly showed Republicans praying at a gold-colored statue of former President Donald Trump at the 2021 Conservative Political Action Convention (CPAC). The statue was mocked by critics as “the Golden Calf.” Figures like Joel Stein, who wrote for the Los Angeles Times, proclaimed that “the fall of Rome was this embarrassing.” Former Democratic congressional candidate Adam Christensen circulated the photo as did others with similar mocking notations. Another poster Mo Bella wrote Caption “this photo taken today of CPAC’s evangelical leaders. Yes, they are praying to a golden statue of their holy insurrectionist.” The problem is that the photo was fake. The question is whether those depicted could sue for false light in such a depiction.
The original photo was taken with the “Evangelicals for Trump” group dated Jan. 3, 2021 and included evangelical figures like Pastor Paula White-Cain. The posts were later flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed.
Stein acknowledged his re-posting of a fake picture and promised to take it down but stressed the the statue itself was real — evading the obvious point that he was ridiculing these (also real) people as worshipping Trump in the literal sense. Instead, he simply noted “The statue is real. It is difficult but important to stick to facts amid the insanity of American politics.”
Even that degree of recognition seemed beyond the ability of figures like Christensen who admitted later that the photo was fake but insisted that the “intent” in the photo was “clear.” He then attacked Trump supporters again: “White Evangelical support is near an all time high going into CPAC and after the event rolling this idol into the conference it’s clear that their ‘support’ is close to going to the next level.” That sounds a lot like “sure it was a fake but it is really true, right?” There is a great deal of difference, particularly for religious people, between praying with Trump and praying to his golden idol.
Many of those re-posting this image are the same people pushing to ban others from social media for spreading “fake news” or “disinformation.” Christensen showed how easy such hypocrisy can be addressed. He insisted that the photo was a “visual representation of what I see in Conservative media circles as well as those that I grew up with.”
The problem however is that while the picture was fake the people in the picture were not. The photo suggests that these individual religious leaders prayed to a golden image of Trump — a clear reference to the Golden Calf in the Old Testament. As discussed in Exodus, Israelites had a change of heart after Moses went to Mount Sinai to receive the Ten Commandments. In direct defiance of God, they built a “molten calf” and they declared: “‘This is thy god, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt” (Exodus 32:1–4). They “offered burnt-offerings and other gifts. Moses pleaded with God to spare them for such sin.
It is a defining passage for many religious people — the line between faith and sin; between worship and idolatry. To show not just religious persons but religious leaders praying to a Golden Calf is the ultimate insult and defamation.
In many states, any lawsuit would be framed as defamation. They are not named in the photo but they are all widely recognized public figures. As such, they would fall under on Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc., 418 U.S. 323, 352 (1974) and its progeny of cases. The Supreme Court has held that public figure status applies when someone “thrust[s] himself into the vortex of [the] public issue [and] engage[s] the public’s attention in an attempt to influence its outcome.” A limited-purpose public figure status applies if someone voluntarily “draw[s] attention to himself” or allows himself to become part of a controversy “as a fulcrum to create public discussion.” Wolston v. Reader’s Digest Association, 443 U.S. 157, 168 (1979).
The Supreme Court mandated a higher standard to protect freedom of speech and the free press. The standard for defamation for public figures and officials in the United States is the product of a decision decades ago in New York Times v. Sullivan. The Supreme Court ruled that tort law could not be used to overcome First Amendment protections for free speech or the free press. The Court sought to create “breathing space” for the media by articulating that standard that now applies to both public officials and public figures. In order to prevail, they just must show either actual knowledge of its falsity or a reckless disregard of the truth.
However, a more direct claim (if recognized in a given state) would false light. That tort requires a publication that puts a person before the public in a false light that is highly offensive to a reasonable person. It also requires a showing that the poster or publisher knew of or acted in reckless disregard as to the falsity of the publicized matter.
Obviously, the person who created this image knew it was false. That person may have meant the picture as satire and made the meaning clear (Note there can still be appropriation of a person’s image or likeness for commercial purposes). It is not clear where this image originated.
The use of such a picture is a common peril in the age of social media. Many people knowingly post false stories or picture knowing that they will be replicated and reposted. As more people post an image, the more it appears genuine. For others, there is little desire to confirm whether it is true or not if it fits a narrative. There is an old expression in the media that there are certain “facts too good to check.”
I have written about such mythologies in the law that are repeated for years without question.
It seems unlikely that a lawsuit would emerge against these posters, but the controversy does show how the campaign to bar individuals for disinformation is often selective and biased in its applications. That was the subject of my recent testimony in the House on efforts to curtail cable access and mandate other forms of media censorship.
“There is a great deal of difference, particularly for religious people, between praying with Trump and praying to his golden idol.”
Yes, there is, but it is absurd to even suggest the second option, unless one is being sarcastic or indulging in ridicule and strereotypy.
Christians (not just Southern Baptists) voted for Trump because he supported policies that they wanted implemented. They had no reason to vote for candidates who advocated policies contrary to their values and beliefs. They knew who and what Trump was, but they chose to support his policies, not to endorse his character.
Christians also pray for sinners and welcome back the prodigal and the wayward, so there is a third option regarding prayer, which is a plea, not a vote — that they prayed for Trump, not so much to save his soul as to save the country and themselves from Hillary and Joe, whose policies were, and are, antithetical to many traditional Christian beliefs and values.
There is no need to agree with those with whom we disagree, but it is important we make an effort to understand them.
It is not possible to reconcile Christian beliefs with those held by neo-liberals because they belong to different belief systems derived from different assumptions about human nature and reality in general, but it is essential to tolerate the beliefs of those with whom we disagree, whether convinced neo-liberal activists or devout Christians. The alternative is intolerance — a refusal to tolerate “error” and an obsessive desire to suppress it.
Tolerance protects free speech and other freedoms which we all value. Intolerance invites a secular revival of the religious wars of the Reformation, which Europeans ended only by finding ways to live with one another, despite their profound religious differences.
Now that is a very good comment. Well done Old guy.
Dear Old Guy: No, they don’t know who or what Trump was because he’s all fake, phony and not qualified to be POTUS. He is a television performer, pretending to be a self-made multi-billionaire real estate mogul, but in reality he is a total failure of a man, all flash and glitz, but actually dependent upon his father well into his forties to bail him out of one failed business venture after another. He cheated on the SAT to get into college, according to his sister. His father wasn’t any real estate genius, either–his “wealth” came from takng advantage of government grants after WWII to construct housing for returning GIs. When his father lost control of his finances due to dementia, the bankruptcies started–6 of them. He is a draft-dodger, racist, misogynist, narcissist, pathological liar and has been divorced twice and, according to gossip, on his way to a third divorce. He is a tax-cheater, too, according to Michael Cohen, his former attorney. These things are not just negative character traits, but are proof of a total lack of integrity, lack of honesty and lack of leadership abilities. Trump’s entire life is devoted to creating situations in which he can receive praise and adulation because he has a serious mental illness called narcissism. He is NO patriot, either. Not only did he cheat to get out of military service, he threatened his namesake with disownment when he expressed an interest in the military. He mocked John McCain, a genuine American war hero, and he called those who volunteered for the military “suckers”. And, you think this person should be Commander in Chief?
Trump doesn’t have any “policies”–he was a Democrat for decades until he decided that that massive ego of his needed greater affirmation and attention, so he said what he had to say to reel in his disciples. He pandered to their fears of losing their perceived white privilege to college educated blacks and women, of America being unable to compete with China, and fears of brown people from south of the border taking over lower paying jobs. He harkened back to days when coal was king, when there were good–paying factory and mining jobs and when women and minorities knew their assigned place in society. Those days are gone. So, he cheated his way into the people’s White House with help from Russia. Fox and other non main stream media lie about the results of the Mueller investigation, but even Trump’s own head of intelligence, Dan Coats, confirmed that Russia did help Trump cheat in 2016. He got fired for telling that truth. The truth is dangerous to Trump–he also fired Chris Krebs and Bill Barr for refusing to confirm the Big Lie. Trump lost the most-secure election in US history. Every Secretary of State confirmed the accuracy of votes after allowing recounts, signature match validations and investigating complaints of fraud, which were unfounded. Sixty+ courts listened to what Trump’s lawyers said was evidence of fraud and dismissed the claims because the few glitches and irregularities they came up with were not sufficient to overcome Biden’s 7 million vote advantage. The lie about the Dominion machines being manipulated or capable of being manipulated have been disproven. These are facts. Nevertheless, he continued lying and went on a vainglory “Stop the Steal” tour, encouraging the faithful to fight Congress for him, to overcome the will of the American people, most of whom: 1. didn’t vote for him in 2016 or 2020; and 2. never approved of him–he never reached a 50% approval rating in 4 years’ time. Then, there’s the economy, botching and lying about the pandemic and record unemployment. Yet, you believe that the majority of Americans wanted him back for 4 years? Polls predicted he would lose, and he did, but yet, his disciples believe his “landslide victory” was stolen from him. He incited a riot that left 5 people dead, and watched it on TV, relishing the proof that he was loved and powerful. Thousands of people have died to due his incompetence and deceit. And yet, you support him, citing your religious beliefs? Do you not see the arrogance of his narcissism and his pathological denial of the truth?
You are the one who doesn’t understand how you’ve been prosetylized into believing that “Hillary and Joe” are evil, and, most importantly, that you cannot trust mainstream media. Fox constantly went after Hillary Clinton, and she still won the majority of the popular vote. What “values and beliefs” of Hillary and Joe Biden are antithetical to Christian values and beliefs? Biden has always been a devout Catholic and understands that as President, he was not elected to preach his religion or force his beliefs on those who are not of his faith. America is not a monotheistic country, and people of good faith disagree about abortion. The SCOTUS held that abortion is a private matter in the first 3 months of pregnancy. A POTUS does not decide about things like abortion, so to the extent you are being pumped into believing that Biden and Kamala Harris, for that matter, are bad for not speaking out against abortion, you are being prosetlyzed. Trump has not denied paying for women to have abortions. Do you believe that Hillary Clinton is part of a child sex ring that drinks childrens’ blood? Some of your ilk believe this. Aren’t you aware that outlets like Fox News lie to you? To support Trump is to be part of a cult of personality–and THAT is the antithesis of Christian and other religions that believe there is just one supreme being. It’s not a matter of tolerance or intolerance of opposing points of view. Trump supporters are gullible people and driven by anti-Christian sentiments like racism and xenophobia. They don’t see the arrogance and failures of their leader because they don’t want to. They follow pro-Trump media that slants the issues or outright lies to them, just like your post shows–that is the slant on Trump you’ve been fed.
My “ilk”? Really? Do you know me?
Your post is so full of misinformation, disinformation, propaganda, and distorted perceptions of reality that I would have to spend the next hour responding in detail. But I have better things to do with my time, so I will just say that the Mueller Report was discredited, Mueller himself appeared less than impressive when called on to testify, and there is no evidence that Russia helped Trump cheat his way into office in 2016. That was a myth crafted by Hillary’s campaign with the help of some people at the FBI.
As for Christians knowing ‘who’ Trump was, please review the coverage after the election in 2017, which makes it quite clear that Christians voted for him because they hoped he would pursue policies which they supported, not because they approved of his lifestyle or admired his character. That is the point.
As for Hillary and Joe, precisely what policies do they have that might appeal to the 74 million or so who voted for Trump this past election or those who voted for him in 2016? Mail-in voting? Hormone blockers for children? Abortion on demand? A renewal of low-level wars in the Middle East? Other? I would be curious to know. I do not know if Joe is more than a Sunday Catholic, but I do know that the Catholic Church does not condone abortion as a normal practice.
Perhaps you need to read more broadly and make an effort to understand those whose views you find odious, beginning with a good primer on politics. I would recommend Michael Walzer’s essay on ‘dirty hands.’ It’s short, to the point, and you can find it in R. B. Brandt, et al., War and Moral Responsibility, assuming the book has not been cancelled for being written by white men.
“the Mueller Report was discredited”
No it wasn’t.
“there is no evidence that Russia helped Trump cheat his way into office in 2016.”
That’s false. Among the evidence: “Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections” from the Director of National Intelligence in 2017.
“the Catholic Church does not condone abortion as a normal practice”
True but irrelevant, since we are not a Catholic country.
If you want to ignore reality, that is your right, but I assume you know that prosecutors do not convict or exonerate, they recommend an indictment if they think there the evidence warrants it. The Democats on Mueller’s team, much as they may have wanted to indict Trump, could not find, nor even manufacture, the evidence.
The report you cite offered no evidence to support its conclusions, which were not shared across all agencies.
Joe Biden is supposedly a practicing Catholic, but he also apprently supports abortion on demand, including late-term abortion. So what the Church teachings on this are certainly is relevant.
Again, the point is that Christians voted for Trump in the hope that he would enact policies which they favored.
That is also why conservatives, independents, and Democrats voted for him, across racial lines.
Four years of accusations do not a conviction make . . . . you might also want to read Walzer’s essay, and perhaps try Machiavelli’s Discourses, and perhaps a primer on what constitutes evidence. An accusation is not evidence, nor is an intelligence summary — the former is a slur, the later guesswork and speculation.
“If you want to ignore reality, that is your right, but I assume you know that” the Office of Legal Counsel had already proclaimed that a sitting President could not be indicted, so the SCO never considered indicting him. I assume that you also know that they presented considerable evidence of obstruction of justice.
Personally, I don’t want to ignore reality, and I’ll change my mind when the facts warrant it.
“The report you cite offered no evidence to support its conclusions, which were not shared across all agencies.”
That’s false. The DNI report specifically noted “This report includes an analytic assessment drafted and coordinated among The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and The National Security Agency (NSA), which draws on intelligence information collected and disseminated by those three agencies,” and some of the evidence they relied on was included in Annex A to the report.
“Joe Biden is supposedly a practicing Catholic, but he also apprently supports abortion on demand, including late-term abortion.”
He supports the current law, Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which does NOT include late-term abortion on demand, only abortion on demand prior to viability. Maybe you need to read the PP v. Casey ruling.
“what the Church teachings on this are certainly is relevant.”
Why? Biden’s personal religious beliefs are irrelevant to our laws.
“Christians voted for Trump in the hope that he would enact policies which they favored. That is also why conservatives, independents, and Democrats voted for him, across racial lines.”
That’s also why a lot of people in those groups voted for Biden: they believe that he’d be better at enacting policies they favor. White evangelicals preferred Trump, but many other Christians preferred Biden. Independents and Democrats preferred Biden.
“Four years of accusations do not a conviction make”
I recognize that. I also recognize that there are multiple lawsuits pending against Trump, and we’re just going to have to be patient to see what comes of them.
“an intelligence summary … [is] guesswork and speculation.”
No it isn’t.
old guy, perhaps you will accept the GOP majority led Senate Intel Comm report of just this August which confirms most of the Mueller Report and proves you specifically wrong on at least one of your assertions. Perhaps this will trigger an evaluation on your part,
Here you go (with link to report).
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf
“….(U) The Committee found that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian
effort to hack computer networks and accounts affiliated with the Democratic Party and leak
information damaging to Hillary Clinton and her campaign for president. Moscow’s intent was
to harm the Clinton Campaign, tarnish an expected Clinton presidential administration, help the
Trump Campaign after Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee, and undermine the
U.S. democratic process.
-WikiLeaks actively sought, and played, a key role in the Russian
influen~ery likely knew it was assistin a Russian intelli ence influence
effort. The Committee found si nificant indications tha
At the time of the
first WikiLeaks releases, the U.S. Government had not yet declared WikiLeaks a hostile
organization and many treated itas a journalistic entity.
(U) While the GRU and WikiLeaks were releasing hacked documents, the Trump
Campaign sought to maximize the impact of those leaks to aid Trump’s electoral
prospects. Staff on the Trump Campaign sought advance notice about WikiLeaks releases,
created messaging strategies to promote and share the materials in anticipation of and following
thdr release, and encouraged further leaks. The Trump Campaign publicly undermined the
attribution of the hack-and-leak campaign to Russia and was indifferent to whether it and
WikiLeaks were furthering a Russian election interference effort. The Committee found no
evidence that Campaign officials received an authoritative government notification that the hack
was perpetrated by the Russian government before October 7, 2016, when the ODNI and DHS
issued a joint statement to that effect. However, the Campaign was aware of the extensive media
reporting and other private sector attribution of the hack to Russian actors prior to that point.
(U) Trump and senior Campaign offici.als sought to obtain advance information about
WikiLeaks’s planned releases through Roger Stone. At their direction, Stone took action to gain
inside knowledge for the Campaign and shared his purported knowledge directly with Trump
and senior Campaign offictals on multiple occasions. Trump and the Campaign believed that
Stone had inside information and expressed satisfaction that Stone’s information suggested more
releases would be forthcoming. The Committee could not reliably determine the extent.of
authentic, non-public knowledge about WikiLeaks that Stone obtained and shared with the
Campaign. ….”
So neither of you want to address the point, which is that people vote for those whom they think will enact policies they favor.
As for intelligence, I assume neither of you have worked in intelligence, had access to raw intelligence, or read widely on how intelligence is gathered and assessed. But I would have thought you knew that th 2017 report has been thoroughly discredited, like the Mueller Report. I also assume you know that whether or not a President can be indicted, Mueller’s team of Democratic lawyers should have been able to find a smoking gun, had there been one.
As for the FBI, are you kidding me? Comey? McCabe? Altering documents? Leaking classified notes? Lack of integrity? Seriously?
Neither of you are interested in facts, just fables, so this is as much time as I will waste on you. Please feel free to reply and misdirect to your heart’s content. The point stands — people vote for those whom they think will enact policies which they support, regardless of their character. That was Walzer’s point. All politicians have ‘dirty hands,’ but you vote for them regardless, hoping for the best.
“So neither of you want to address the point, which is that people vote for those whom they think will enact policies they favor.”
Actually, I addressed that point and noted that more people thought Biden would enact policies they favor. It’s truly bizarre that you can read what I said to you — “That’s also why a lot of people in those groups voted for Biden: they believe that he’d be better at enacting policies they favor. White evangelicals preferred Trump, but many other Christians preferred Biden. Independents and Democrats preferred Biden.” — can pretend that I didn’t address your point.
“I would have thought you knew that th 2017 [DNI] report has been thoroughly discredited, like the Mueller Report”
I would have thought you’d know that neither of them have been discredited.
“Mueller’s team of Democratic lawyers should have been able to find a smoking gun, had there been one.”
They found 10 instances of obstruction. You’re both denying this criminal evidence AND ignoring that obstruction can prevent other evidence collection — which is, after all, the goal of obstruction.
“Neither of you are interested in facts”
BS. You’d rather pretend that than have a fact-based discussion with me.
This is not a productive response on your end.
Old Guy,
This is a great article by a liberal Democrat providing a post-2020 election analysis. Until I read this, the thought was Trump inspired a greater number of self-identified Republicans to turnout. This analysis however shows Trump actually moved traditionally Democratic voters in non-white demographics to vote Republican.
What are the most important things you’ve learned about the 2020 election between the last time we spoke and today?
What’s changed since November is that we now have individual-level vote-history data in a bunch of states. And we also have a lot more precinct-level data. And people have had more time to run surveys. So the picture has gotten clearer.
One high-level takeaway is that the 2020 electorate had a very similar partisan composition to the 2016 electorate. When the polls turned out to be wrong — and Trump turned out to be much stronger than they predicted — a lot of people concluded that turnout models must have been off: Trump must have inspired higher Republican turnout than expected. But that looks wrong. It really seems like the electorate was slightly more Democratic than it had been in 2016, largely due to demographic change (because there’s such a large partisan gap between younger and older voters, every four years the electorate gets something like 0.4 percent more Democratic just through generational churn). So Trump didn’t exceed expectations by inspiring higher-than-anticipated Republican turnout. He exceeded them mostly through persuasion. A lot of voters changed their minds between 2016 and 2020.
At the subgroup level, Democrats gained somewhere between half a percent to one percent among non-college whites and roughly 7 percent among white college graduates (which is kind of crazy). Our support among African Americans declined by something like one to 2 percent. And then Hispanic support dropped by 8 to 9 percent. The jury is still out on Asian Americans. We’re waiting on data from California before we say anything. But there’s evidence that there was something like a 5 percent decline in Asian American support for Democrats, likely with a lot of variance among subgroups. There were really big declines in Vietnamese areas, for example. Anyway, one implication of these shifts is that education polarization went up and racial polarization went down.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/03/david-shor-2020-democrats-autopsy-hispanic-vote-midterms-trump-gop.html
Yeah, they cheated and Trump won.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/03/judge-orders-election-78-mail-ballots-proved-fraudulent-notary-arrested
“Judge Orders Election Do-Over after 78% of Mail-in Ballots Proved Fraudulent”
Mass mail-in voting — what possibly could go wrong?
“A judge is ordering a new runoff election for the Ward 1 alderman seat in Aberdeen. In the sixty-four-page order, Judge Jeff Weill not only calls for a new election but also finds evidence of fraud and criminal activity, in how absentee ballots were handled, how votes were counted, and the actions by some at the polling place. In his ruling, the judge said that sixty-six of eighty-four absentee ballots cast in the June runoff were not valid and should never have been counted. … Judge Weill found many irregularities with absentee ballots. He issued a bench warrant for notary Dallas Jones, who notarized absentee ballots. During a hearing, Jones admitted violating notary duties. … The judge also found that 83 regular ballots were counted without being initialed by election workers. Judge Weill also said there was clear evidence of voter intimidation and harassment at the polling place on election day. … In his ruling, the judge said Holliday, along with Police Chief Henry Randle, and former Mayor Maurice Howard acted as if they were above the law, repeatedly violating criminal statutes.”
Notice that the illegal acts were caught.
No one is suggesting that there’s no fraud (unless they’re ignorant or dishonest). The issue is whether there’s widespread fraud that does’t get caught.
You have a notary public in Mississippi who ADMITTED falsifying her notarial on some absentee ballots last June, and that, to you, proves Trump won, despite all of the polls, low approval ratings, a trashed economy, a botched pandemic and certification of the results by 50 Secretaries of State?
What do you expect? They’re Democrats. Democrats are expert liars.
The news just in! The N.Y. Times has just reported that Kermit The Frog, Miss Piggy, and Doctor Zeus have been cancelled due to their relationship with Donald Trump. The past associations with Donald Trump by other cartoon characters is being scrutinized. Critics are calling for their blacklisting by the movie industry. Wiley Coyote says he never knew the man and porky pig says wa wa wa wa what’s up with that man. Some say that Kermit is an example of green privilege, that Miss piggy is an illustration of pink privilege and Doctor Zeus may be guilty of hat privilege. The cat in the hat is also being questioned about what he mew and when he mew it. We will keep you informed of this ongoing travesty.
I know of libel cases that had less evidence the this……
As hard as the left worked to cancel Trump why should we be surprised at their efforts to cancel Doctor Zeus and Kermit the frog. Shall we venture to say laughable in all three attempts?
Maybe because Trump had the same IQ as sock puppets.
@FishWings: Jealous much?
FishWings, so this guy who has property around the world, hosted one of the most successful television shows of all time and made billions of dollars is somehow stupid. There are some things that you may not like about Trump but calling him stupid is stupid. You have reached inside your mind and collected brownie points for yourself. Give yourself a nice pat on the back.
Fish Wings — you do know that Trump got us all $1200 checks and then $600 checks Joe lyin’ hidin’ Biden campaigned on getting $2,000 checks out to us immediately. Well? Where are the $2k checks, Joe? You, Joe Biden campaigned on promising $2k checks and now? You are a liar Joe Biden. But then, some of us already knew that about you and did NOT VOTE FOR YOU.
Now, where is my $2k check, Joe Biden? YOU LIAR. You LYING useless politician.
Fish Wings – you don’t actually believe that Joe Biden knows what the heck is going on, do you? All of DC knows that Joe Biden is not too bright, completely corrupt sell out to China and a well known racist and all around nasty SOB. What the heck are YOU talking about?
More so than Trump, the false god of most evangelicals is a piece of ME dirt called Israel, what evangelicals firmly proclaim is the modern fulfillment of OT Israel. It’s like saying that someone today named Jacob is a reincarnation of Jacob son of Isaac son of Abraham in the OT. You’ll never hear an SBC pastor do a “sermon” on these words of Jesus: “My Kingdom is not of this world.”
Some evangelicals teach that the sacrificial temple will be rebuilt in Israel, when Jesus “returns.” Another verse never taught by an SBC pastor: “A time comes and now is when you shall not worship on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.” (Jesus)
There’s been over 1,000 deaths associated with the vaccines.
If you work in an extended care facility, are given the vaccine, collapse and die, do they have to pay you for the entire day?
https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?IDNUMBER=944595
VAERS ID: 944595 (history)
Form: Version 2.0
Age: 56.0
Sex: Male
Location: Florida
Vaccinated: 2021-01-12
Onset: 2021-01-12
Days after vaccination: 0
Submitted: 0000-00-00
Entered: 2021-01-14
Vaccination / Manufacturer Lot / Dose Site / Route
COVID19: COVID19 (COVID19 (PFIZER-BIONTECH)) / PFIZER/BIONTECH EL3302 / 2 AR / IM
COVID19: COVID19 (COVID19 (PFIZER-BIONTECH)) / PFIZER/BIONTECH EL0140 / 1 AR / IM
Administered by: Senior Living Purchased by: ?
Symptoms: Brain death, Cardiac arrest, Death, Intensive care, Life support, Unresponsive to stimuli
SMQs:, Torsade de pointes/QT prolongation (broad), Anaphylactic reaction (broad), Hyperglycaemia/new onset diabetes mellitus (broad), Neuroleptic malignant syndrome (broad), Arrhythmia related investigations, signs and symptoms (broad), Shock-associated circulatory or cardiac conditions (excl torsade de pointes) (narrow), Acute central respiratory depression (broad), Guillain-Barre syndrome (broad), Noninfectious encephalitis (broad), Noninfectious encephalopathy/delirium (broad), Noninfectious meningitis (broad), Cardiomyopathy (broad), Hypotonic-hyporesponsive episode (broad), Respiratory failure (broad), Hypoglycaemia (broad)
Life Threatening? No
Birth Defect? No
Died? Yes
Date died: 2021-01-14
Days after onset: 2
Permanent Disability? No
Recovered? No
Office Visit? No
ER Visit? No
ER or Doctor Visit? Yes
Hospitalized? Yes, 2 days
Extended hospital stay? No
Previous Vaccinations:
Other Medications: losartan, spironolactone, carvedilol
Current Illness: No known new illnesses,
Preexisting Conditions: Cardiomyopathy
Allergies: nkda
Diagnostic Lab Data: mulitple Full ER code and then ICU support for 2 days
CDC Split Type:
Write-up: Cardiac arrest within 1 hour Patient had the second vaccine approximately 2 pm on Tuesday Jan 12th He works at the extended care community and was in good health that morning with no complaints. He waited 10-15 minutes at the vaccine admin site and then told them he felt fine and was ready to get back to work. He then was found unresponsive at 3 pm within an hour of the 2nd vaccine. EMS called immediately worked on him 30 minutes in field then 30 minutes at ER was able to put him on life support yet deemed Brain dead 1-14-21 and pronounced dead an hour or so later
Oh, and no person may be compelled to take the vaccine for any purpose as all persons enjoy “…the right of the people to be secure in their persons….”
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Merriam-Webster
secure adjective
se·cure | \ si-ˈkyu̇r
, -ˈkyər \
securer; securest
Definition of secure
1a : free from danger
b : affording safety a secure hideaway
c : trustworthy, dependable a secure foundation
d : free from risk of loss
2a : easy in mind : confident
b : assured in opinion or expectation : having no doubt
c archaic : unwisely free from fear or distrust : overconfident
3 : assured sense 1
a secure victory
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4th Amendment
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Only your picture was missing, Jonny.
So maybe they did not actually bow down as the picture implied. But come on. Religious leaders (and “christian” lay people) that supported baby trump have been bowing down to his golden image for many years. It was not physically true, it was effectively true.
I draw a distinction between “christians” and Christians. Christ was so unlike baby trump. Trump has way more in common with Pontius Pilate.
Pilate is an intriguing figure in the Gospels. We are left nearly ever day with his cryptic remark, “quid est veritas?” Sal.
John 18:38 “Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.”
Fredrich Nietzsche said of this: :
“Do I still have to add that in the entire New Testament there is only one solitary figure one is obliged to respect? Pilate, the Roman governor. To take a Jewish affair seriously – he cannot persuade himself to do that. One Jew more or less – what does it matter ?… The noble scorn of a Roman before whom an impudent misuse of the word ‘truth’ was carried on has enriched the New Testament with the only expression which possesses value – which is its criticism, its annihilation even: ‘What is truth?…” (Nietzsche, writing in The Antichrist, §46)
tough words, from old Fred, but thought-provoking ones.
If religious leaders and Christians have been “bowing down to his golden image for many years,” it should be easy to provide some specific examples. I’m not interested in more of the same TDS-fueled hate and slander, let’s hear some concrete examples.
Mike Pence, enough said right there.
Enough said? I’m still waiting for you say something substantive.
Of all US voters, as a group, Western evangelicals worship at the alter of warmongers at a higher rate than any other group except the actual groups that fight, finance, and design, build, and sell military weapons.
Membership in any SBC Church requires one agree that modern Israel is the fulfillment of OT Israel, the biggest crock since Trump promised to pass a health plan “bigger and better than Obamacare!” (screaming).
Princes Trohar, you must have been very young when the Muslims murdered 3000 people in the twin towers. You should volunteer to give them a hand when they throw a homosexual off of a building. You could be of help when the leaders of Iran call for the death of Israel. Just think, you might even push the button. I am sure that you are looking forward to that glorious day when you can carry out your part in the name of Allah
Give me the numbers and the study that you’re referencing – unless you’re just spraying more TDS foam – in which case, I’m less than interested.
Membership in any SBC Church requires one agree
The Southern Baptist Convention is a non-creedal denomination. Do try to keep up.
Trumpsters “prey” on their enemies. They “pray” on Sunday and give “praise” to Donald on Monday.
Jonathan: The photo shopped image of the golden statue of Trump superimposed over a photo of Evangelical leaders was fake. But I think it was an attempt to show the hypocrisy by Evangelicals who, on one hand, recognize Trump is a “sinner”, unfaithful to all his wives and with no known religious beliefs, but nevertheless embrace him. But you are outraged calling the depiction the “ultimate insult and defamation” and almost invite a lawsuit. For years Trump and his supporters have engaged in the same thing. Early last year Trump re-tweeted a fake image of House Speaker Pelosi and Senator Schumer in Middle Eastern garb standing in front of an Iranian flag–an attempt to reinforce a right-wing conspiracy theory being circulated that Pelosi and Schumer were supposedly working in league with Iran. The image was not only fake but a false narrative of Schumer and Pelosi’s positions on Iran. Don’t recall your outrage when that image was first posted and re-tweeted by Trump.
When I first saw a photo of the golden colored statue displayed at the CPAC venue I thought it was pretty ugly. It’s hard to imagine Trump in flip-flops. But the Trump statue was a big hit at the CPAC meeting, as was toilet paper with Nancy Pelosi’s image. The maker sold 1,400 rolls.
Aren’t you equally offended by putting Pelosi’s image on toilet paper? There is a certain irony in Tommy Zegan’s statue of Trump. It was manufactured in Mexico–a country Trump vilified throughout his presidency and wanted everything to be manufactured in the U.S. You would think the CPAC attendees wouldn’t want any part of a statue made in Mexico. Nope. They literally embraced it. It also crossed my mind the statue, being so grotesque, could be a “Trojan horse”–an attempt by Zegan to mock Trump and his supporters. Nope. Zegan is a true believer. He tried to give one of the statues to Trump at Mar-a-Lago for Trump’s birthday but was turned away. Maybe I was wrong. Maybe Trump does have some artistic sensibility.
For centuries artists have mocked public figures with paintings, drawings and caricatures–Daumier and Goya just to name two. In this digital age we do it by photo shopping. Had Daumier and Goya been sued at the time for their depictions we may would never have been able to see their art in museums. That would be a big loss. You need to lighten up, Jonathan, and develop a thicker skin. As a big proponent of “free speech” you should welcome those who would try to portray Trump in an unflattering light–even if you don’t agree with them.
Anything that requires that much explanation probably wasn’t worth the effort to begin with.
You don’t know what hypocrisy.
Denis, fake news is okay as long as it’s justified. Thank you for your fairness and charity.
Joe Biden is a China patsy
But the Russiagate media see no evil in ‘the big guy’
https://spectator.us/topic/joe-biden-china-patsy/
Dear Turley: It’s called SATIRE–not actionable. Your argument might have a little more traction if there hadn’t been a golden image of your chubby client at this event. And, his disciples do, indeed, worship this creature for reasons that sane, intelligent people cannot fathom, given the depth and extent of his failures and lack of leadership, his abject immorality, his chronic, habitual lying and the numbers of people who have died because of his failures and massive ego. Such worship extended to actually participating in and/or at least supporting an insurrection based on the BIG LIE.
You know that “armed insurrection” the Dems and their media keep lying about?
“Sen Johnson asks FBI official how many firearms were confiscated from suspects arrested at Capitol riot on January 6. ‘To my knowledge, none,’ (was his answer)…
Anonymous, being “armed” is not exclusive to fire arms. Being armed can include anything that can be deemed a weapon. Clubs, flagpoles, any objects that can be used to inflict injury. They can be classified as weapons. Being armed means having a weapon.
Molotov cocktails were found in a car of a Trump supporter. Bear mace was used, a fire extinguisher was used as a weapon that ended up killing a Capitol police officer. Being armed doesn’t require it to be only a firearm.
Bring up facts Svelaz, to Trumpian troglodytes will not work. They could care less.
FishWings wants ‘facts’ you say?
Svelaz said “a fire extinguisher was used as a weapon that ended up killing a Capitol police officer”
Fact Check: FALSE
Fishy — Trump 4 EVA! Boo Yeah!
Sve: You may want do a little research on you comment of a fire extinguisher being utilized to kill a Capitol police officer.
Sen Grassley: (13.11) (39.15) We all want to know what happened to Officer Brian Sicknick? FBI Dir Wray: (39.39) And as soon as our there are information that we can appropriately share, we want to be able to do that. ( If you are confused by the words, those are his exact words. Just as they hide behind the ruse of “National Security”, they also hide behind , “the investigation is on going”. FBI Dir Wray (40.14) “That means we can’t yet disclose cause of death at this stage..” Two months later, they can’t say?? John Durham report should have been released prior to Nov 2020. FBI has had Hunter Biden laptop hard drive since 10-19-19, and the FBI DOJ still sitting on it. Don’t hold one’s breath for full disclosures on any of those anytime soon, as they are allegedly negatives on Democrats.
“Being armed can include anything that can be deemed a weapon. Clubs, flagpoles, any objects that can be used to inflict injury.”
Like Molotov cocktails and flash bombs?
Or dumpsters set on fire and then pushed up against occupied building to set them on fire, while blocking the exits to keep people from escaping?
Does that sound familiar to you, svelaz?
Don’t forget piles of bricks conveniently laying around a hot zone as if by magic, or being seen delivered by a truck, as was the case in some instances. The trolls here aren’t impressing anyone, and they sure as heck aren’t convincing anyone.
Keep up Svelaz, the N.Y Times retracted their claim that officer Sicknick was killed with a fire extinguisher. Mace was used but there is no proof that anyone was hurt with a a club, a flag pole or a fire extinguisher. You should look at the news more often than once every three weeks.
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-false-and-exaggerated-claims?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=copy
Facts, not fiction; evidence, not propaganda and it all means what? Hooray for “our” side!
This article addresses the alleged murder or killing of a Capital Policeman, Brain Sicknick, and “The False and Exaggerated Claims Still Being Spread About the Capitol Riot.”
You wish to ask yourself the question: “Is the article and facts, perhaps, more accurately about manipulation and Control?”
If you were to read the above referenced article by Glenn Greenwald, no Trump supporter or apologist, no so-called liberal, neo-liberal, conservative, neo-conservative, you would “understand” why Donald J. Trump is not and was not an aberration, but the clear and necessary consequence of a Newspeak, which would make George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair), i.e., Oceania, green with envy.
Simply, the New York Times, the Washington Post and their fountain head, William Randolph Hearst, have created the “oligarchy, monopoly, kleptocracy,” which germinated from the Newspeak of the “Korean Police Action, the Vietnam Conflict, to the Iraq Operation Freedom and Humanitarian Intervention in Libya.”
I offer this not as proselytization, persuasion or the creation of similar thinking. I offer this as an opportunity for understanding. What you accept, what you agree with, exists as your choice.
dennis hanna
Natacha, people admire politicians because they institute policies that they agree with. I am sure you hold Biden in great esteem, because he is putting policy in place that you agree with. Does your admiration for Biden classify you as a worshiper? Were you very excited at the prospect of Hillary becoming president. Does your excitement for Hillary make you a worshiper? I am sure that you would not present yourself as an idol worshipper of Biden or Clinton yet without hesitating you place the tag on anyone who is excited for Trump. Your coin only has a depiction on one side.
Nat: You have the brass to raise the amoral factor? To my knowledge, there have been no more amoral POTUS in the WhiteHouse than JFK and BC. JFK was a daily paractitioner of non- martial fornication and the press were crickets. He said; if he did not have sex daily he got a headache. Imagine that. Your elitiest, arrogant narcissistic pathological self-absorption, attitude of DT and his supporters is incredulous to me. Your Liberal jaundice is putrid. That is another reason we will have another Un-Civil war and probably soon. You dratsabs ignore the fact that the Dems from time DT became the Repub candidate2015, have attemped a treasonous coup against DT on down til 1-20-2021. Now that same corrupt regime is going back into the power. Rule of law is gone as neither Sessoins or Barr chose to pursue that and prosecute them. They figure it would destroy the System. But now the System is destroyed because of not operating on to remove the responsible cancers. Where the Hades is the Durham report and why has it been so long and drawn out? Guess it took a long time for the whitewashing process??? Selah
Just how much of the Kool-Aid did you drink?
You a follower of Blue Anon? Yep, we see you.
Ah, yet another oh-so-brave keyboard warrior. The truth is that neither you, your batshit-crazy fellow travelers, or any other space laser loser is going to lift a finger. You loser, basement-dwelling hermits make me puke. Dismissed “soldier.” Lol
Hey Natacha – you know how Rep. Cori Bush wants to let convicts be able to vote? How about this compromise: the Crack addicts who are locked up under Daddy Biden’s Crime Bill for simple possession, should get the Million Dollar book deals that Hunter-the-Crack-Addict-Loser-‘Bag Man’-Son of the Corrupt President got for his “memoir.”
Almost daily we find Loony comments from the Social Warriors on the Left. They remind me of Sergeant Schultz of TV fame and his statement when questioned by Commandant Klink “I Know Nothing”. Then I think about a bird named suitably for the Left the “Common Loon”. The common Loons caterwauling and irresolute cries are easy to detect at great distances, they will defend their territories without abandonment, and they are clumsy. The common Leftist Loons are desultory in nature, other than their denials of fault. Which wakens me to reality that the Common Bird Loon is not apropos to the Human Loons (THE POLICTICAL LEFT).
The Supreme Court mandated a higher standard to protect freedom of speech and the free press.
The press gets what amounts to impunity, the Warren Court gets softball coverage of its ‘landmark decisions’. Shouldn’t assume it was done for any good-faith reason.
It is now obvious that TDS is not cured by removing Trump from office.
They just can’t quit him. Yet more proof that there’s a thin line between love and hate.
Wait, are the golden calf and Rambo/Trump posters what you’re calling TDS?
No. Trump Derangement Syndrome only effects people like you.
Seriously. What would you do without him? The truth of the matter is that you actually love Donald Trump, because you have no real life without him living inside your head 24/7.
In the meantime, old Dementia Joe’s Global-Capitalist Puppet Masters killed the $15.00 minimum wage. Likewise, there will be no student debt forgiveness ,no Green New Deal, no “$2000” checks, and no federal marijuana legalization. And that’s just for starters.
Barry “The Grifter” Obama strikes again, and you idiots fell for it again.
“It’s all about the money”. But none of you plebes know how to properly follow money. So, you remain clueless ideologues who only know how to parrot the talking points given to you by your owners.