Chicago Prosecutor Suspended For Stating Adam Toledo Was Armed Before The Shooting

Chicago prosecutor, James Murphy, has been placed on leave Saturday after he noted in court hearing this month that Adam Toledo, 13, had a gun in his possession. The statement was made at the bond hearing for Ruben Roman, 21, who was with Toledo on the night that he died.  The action was taken despite the position of the Chicago police that Toledo was armed until a fraction of a second before the shooting — a view also echoed by local media after reviewing the videotape. However, various politicians like Andrew Yang have insisted that this was the shooting of “an unarmed child” by police. The error may prove be the use of the word “has” in a court statement. The question is whether this type of action was warranted for a prosecutor who was trying to keep a dangerous individual in jail.

The shooting occurred in a stronghold of the Latin Kings, a notoriously violent gang in Chicago. Many of us who grew up in Chicago are familiar with the Latin Kings, which is a huge criminal organization that often uses children to hold guns since they are subject to lower possible criminal penalties. Roman is facing felony charges of reckless discharge of a firearm and unlawful use of a weapon by a felon as well as child endangerment and violating probation,

This incident occurred around 3 a.m., when two Chicago police officers confronted the 13-year-old and Roman while investigating gunshots in Little Village. According to prosecutors, Roman had fired a gun at a passing car. Roman has been rumored to be a member of the Latin Kings. The Chicago Police Union president also alleged that Toledo was a known member of the Latin Kings.

It appears that Murphy was opposing the bond for Roman who was accused of shooting at a passing car and alleged to be a member of a violent gang. He noted that Toledo had a gun. As local media has noted, that is supported by the videotape which shows what appears to be a gun in his hand less than two seconds before the shots are fired.  A gun was found near Toledo and police say that he tossed the gun just as he was turning toward police.

The line in dispute in the proffer may be this: “The officer tells [Toledo] to drop it as [Toledo] turns towards the officer.  [Toledo] has a gun in his right hand.” One could reasonably object that the line seems to say that Toledo had the gun in his hand at the time of the shooting. Murphy would likely say that the preceding line makes clear that it is a reference to having a gun “as [Toledo] turns towards the officer.”  According to police, he “has” a gun in his hand a fraction of a second before turning toward the officer. The question is whether such a difference warrants a public correction rather than a public suspension.

Cook County State’s Attorney Kimberly M. Foxx’s office  announced that Murphy was suspended with pay because he did not “fully inform himself” before testifying. Foxx had a long and controversial record in the city, particularly in her role in the Jussie Smollett scandal.

Toledo is clearly not armed at the time he is shot.  He appears to have tossed the weapon within a couple seconds of the shooting by Chicago Police Officer Eric Stillman. That raises the question of whether the officer was still justified in using lethal force. However, that would not mean that Toledo was unarmed in the encounter.

Murphy noted that surveillance video showed Roman shooting at the passing car with Toledo next to him.  He said that Roman and Toledo then ducked into an alley, where officers located them.  Despite presuming Roman to be armed, Stillman tackled Roman to the ground. As another officer puts Roman into custody, Stillman then went after Toledo. Murphy reportedly noted that the gloves worn by Roman tested positive for gunshot residue and seven shell casings recovered by officers matched the handgun Roman is previously seen using. He then reportedly added that the gun appears to be the same that Toledo was carrying.

The office may also have objected to that last part if there has been no confirmation that it was the same gun or even fingerprint evidence tying Toledo to the gun found near him.  The picture of the gun in the hand of Toledo does appear to be similar to the one found near him after the shooting. Notably, this should be an issue that is already largely resolved by the police. Here are the images:

 

 

 

 

 

I do not know why the District Attorney would not confirm whether the gun is the same as the one used in the shooting and whether there are any fingerprints on the weapon.

I can understand the need for Foxx to keep her prosecutors from making inaccurate or unsupported statements in a case that has caused rioting in the Chicago. However, I am uneasy about the actions taken against an attorney for a statement that could have been clarified in both court and in public. I am also concerned with the lack of specifically on the error and the failure to confirm the basic facts on the gun forensics.

251 thoughts on “Chicago Prosecutor Suspended For Stating Adam Toledo Was Armed Before The Shooting”

  1. “𝐖𝐞𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐚𝐫𝐠𝐮𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐥𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐥 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐬𝐮𝐛𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐝𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐲𝐬 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞’𝐬 𝐛𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐥𝐭𝐡 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐥𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐬 𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐬𝐮𝐜𝐡 𝐚 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐚, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐬𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐠𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐞.”

    No that is not a good argument.

    I can think of many choices people make that I do not like and I think harm them – Am I free to dictate to them what they can and can not do ?

    Government is not emcouraging something by not making it illegal.

    “𝐈𝐭 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐞𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐧 𝐚 𝐝𝐨𝐳𝐞𝐧 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬. 𝐇𝐨𝐰 𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐲 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐜𝐫𝐚𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐫 𝐝𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐯𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐡 𝐨𝐫 𝐰𝐫𝐞𝐜𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐟𝐚𝐦𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐞𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐢𝐦𝐞?

    𝐏𝐫𝐨𝐛𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐲 𝐪𝐮𝐢𝐭𝐞 𝐚 𝐟𝐞𝐰, 𝐚𝐥𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐏𝐫𝐨𝐡𝐢𝐛𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐢𝐧𝐬𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐞 𝐚 𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐥𝐚𝐰𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬.”

    While you are wrong on the facts – it would not matter if you were right.
    Nearly every law or regulation has some claimed benefits. Sometimes it acheives some of those.
    They are still nearly all net harmful.

    We know prohibition did more harm than good, We know the war on drugs does more harm than good.

    “𝐈𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐧𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐥𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐩𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐞𝐬 𝐲𝐨𝐮?”

    Why do you think that just because much of the stupidity that govenrment does “displeases me” that nothing in the world pleases me ?

    Over my lifetime – the entire world (and the US) has doubled its standard of living. We are all far better off.
    I thing that is wonderful. I am very pleased – nor is that the only good thing.

    But the imporovements over my lifetime had nothing to do with government.

    My displeasure with government is not unhappieness with life. Life is good.

    Why can’t you make an actual argument ?

    “𝐖𝐡𝐢𝐜𝐡 𝐅𝐃𝐀-𝐮𝐧𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐝 𝐝𝐫𝐮𝐠𝐬 𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐰𝐞𝐝 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐢𝐞, 𝐨𝐫 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐩𝐮𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐞𝐥𝐬𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐬𝐩𝐨𝐮𝐭?”
    There are long lists. But those are just the tip of the iceberg.

    No one will even attempt to find a cure to a medical problem that will not produce $2B in profits.

    “𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐥𝐞𝐟𝐭. 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐥𝐞𝐟𝐭. 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐥𝐞𝐟𝐭. 𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐲’𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐛𝐨𝐨𝐠𝐞𝐫𝐦𝐚𝐧, 𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐧’𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲? 𝐀𝐥𝐰𝐚𝐲𝐬.”
    No, they are just stupid and immoral.

    “T𝐡𝐞 𝐥𝐞𝐟𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐚𝐯𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚’𝐬 𝐚𝐬𝐬 𝐫𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐢𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐡𝐚𝐝𝐧’𝐭 𝐧𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐞𝐝.”
    Right.
    You really do not live in the real world.

    So far – you have been completely wrong about just about every claim you have made.
    .
    “𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐅𝐃𝐀 𝐝𝐨𝐞𝐬 𝐚 𝐥𝐨𝐭 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐧 𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐦.”
    Because you say so ?

    “𝐘𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐟𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐝𝐫𝐮𝐠𝐬 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐛𝐞 𝐮𝐧𝐫𝐞𝐠𝐮𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝”
    Yes,
    “𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐭’𝐬 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐚 𝐟𝐫𝐞𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐚𝐥𝐥.”
    Torts still exist, and you still have the right to decide what you will and will not buy.

    “𝐓𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐤 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐧’𝐭 𝐢𝐧 𝐩𝐨𝐰𝐞𝐫, 𝐚𝐥𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐜𝐭 𝐚 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭.”
    Trump was the most deregulatory president since Jimmy Carter.
    Were millions dying from food poisoning ?

    What we have seen in the past year is that regulation kills.

    “𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐂𝐨𝐯𝐢𝐝 𝐦𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐢𝐬 𝐛𝐞𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐥𝐭 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡. 𝐈 𝐠𝐨𝐭 𝐦𝐲 𝐟𝐢𝐫𝐬𝐭 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐭 𝐲𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐝𝐚𝐲.”
    For that you owe Trump.

    “𝐈𝐭 𝐰𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐛𝐞𝐞𝐧 𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐥𝐭 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐟𝐚𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐢𝐟 𝐎𝐛𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐢𝐧 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐠𝐞.”
    Really ? Obama/Biden blew H1N1 – they actually got the US blocked by other countries.
    And it took longer for Obama/Biden to come up with a vaccine for the Flu – than Trump to get a Covid Vaccine that was not only entirely new – but completely new technology.

    “𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐰𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝𝐧’𝐭 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐟𝐮𝐦𝐛𝐥𝐞𝐝 𝐢𝐭 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐩, 𝐚𝐫𝐠𝐮𝐞𝐝 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐅𝐚𝐮𝐜𝐢”
    Biden has nearly double the deaths per day.
    During the election – he and YOU said Biden knew what he was doing
    What is he doing different from Trump ? Aside from senility – nothing.

    “𝐭𝐨𝐥𝐝 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐡𝐮𝐟𝐟 𝐋𝐲𝐬𝐨𝐥, 𝐞𝐭𝐜.”
    No, he said that Dr. Brix had informed him of potentially effective treatment that was the equivalent of bleaching your blood.
    And there WAS, there is actually a JAMA article on it.

    “O𝐛𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐚𝐝𝐦𝐢𝐧 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐚 𝟔𝟗-𝐩𝐚𝐠𝐞 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐲𝐛𝐨𝐨𝐤 𝐛𝐚𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐨𝐧 𝐇𝟏𝐍𝟏”
    And Obama/Biden did BADLY against H1N1 which was a far less contageous and deadly virus.

    “𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐩’𝐬 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐮𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐨𝐢𝐥𝐞𝐭 𝐩𝐚𝐩𝐞𝐫.”
    What exactly is it in that H1N1 playbook that you think was ignored ?

    Did Obama lock down the country ? Mandata Masks ?

    “A𝐧𝐝 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚 𝐩𝐚𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐞.”
    Life expectancy actually increased in 2020.

    “𝐀𝐬 𝐢𝐭 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝. 𝐘𝐨𝐮 𝐬𝐚𝐰 𝐰𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐡𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐞𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐉𝐨𝐡𝐧𝐬𝐨𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐉𝐨𝐡𝐧𝐬𝐨𝐧.

    𝐁𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐬𝐚𝐟𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐧 𝐬𝐨𝐫𝐫𝐲.

    𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐌𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐚 𝐯𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐢𝐧𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐚𝐟𝐞 𝐧𝐨𝐰, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐅𝐃𝐀 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭.”
    WRONG.

    You are a complete idiot. The WORST C19 vaccine in existance right now – could be 1000 times more deadly than it is,
    and still have been the right choice if available in June.

    Any current vaccine that was available in June that killed less than 1 in 1000 people who took it would have saved lives.

    You are medically ignorant, math impaired and incapable of logic.

    The only reason for concern about ANY of the current vaccines – is because we have so many choices, that we can afford to contemplate whether to use the J&J vaccine.
    If it was all we had – we would be going full steam ahead.

    I would note – that not only did Trump deliver a Covid vaccine in record time – he delivered MANY different covid vaccines in record time.

    “𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧𝐬 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐬.”
    You speak for all americans ?

    Regardless, that is false.

    “𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚 𝐝𝐨𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐬 𝐜𝐨𝐫𝐫𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐥𝐲.”

    Again complete ignorance of the real world.

    For every problem there are hundreds of solutions that will work – often including doing nothing.
    They do not all work equally well, and we RARELY know much less pick the best.
    It is nearly always better to make a decision when a decisions needs made and move on,
    than to spend months reaching the perfect decisions – which does not actually exist.

    “𝐈𝐦𝐚𝐠𝐢𝐧𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐚 𝐟𝐥𝐚𝐰𝐞𝐝 𝐌𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐚 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐤𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐝 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞.”
    And it STILL would have saved more than it killed.

    “𝐎𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝟏𝟎𝟎% 𝐬𝐚𝐟𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐞𝐩𝐭𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞.”
    That is demonstrably false.
    No vaccine, no medicine is EVER 100% safe.
    You can overdoes on water.

    “𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐢𝐟?”
    Fewer people would have died – Obviously if we produced a vaccine that was less safe more quickly.
    That is what if.

    “𝐈 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐧 𝐈 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐛𝐮𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬.”
    That is why you are an idiot.

    Business can not legitimately use force against you.
    Business can not make you do anything.

    Government can. Government is far more dangerous.

    “𝐖𝐞𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐝𝐨𝐞𝐬 𝐛𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐚 𝐥𝐨𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐜𝐭 𝐚 𝐠𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭 𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐥 𝐨𝐟 𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐥 𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭’𝐬 𝐚 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠.”
    It is ? Why ?

    Money is not illegal.

    “𝐒𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝𝐧’𝐭 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐭𝐞𝐜𝐭 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐯𝐞𝐬?
    𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐰 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐯𝐞𝐬.”
    Correct.

    “𝐀 𝐩𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐨𝐟 𝐜𝐢𝐠𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐀𝐮𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐚 𝐢𝐬 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 $𝟑𝟎.
    𝐖𝐡𝐲?
    𝐁𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐱𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐚𝐫𝐲 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐥𝐭𝐡 𝐜𝐨𝐬𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐬𝐦𝐨𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠.
    𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐰𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐢𝐬𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐞 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐤𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐯𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐛𝐮𝐫𝐝𝐞𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐩𝐚𝐲𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐞.
    𝐒𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐩𝐮𝐭 𝐚 𝐡𝐢𝐠𝐡 𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐧 𝐜𝐢𝐠𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐬.
    𝐃𝐨𝐞𝐬𝐧’𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐞?”
    No, it does not.

    The real world – the free market absent govenrment interference imposes on people the actual costs of their own poor decisions.
    Insurance companies can raise the rates for smokers. Just as auto insurance offers discounts for people with good driving records.

    None of this is govenrments buisiness.

    “𝐖𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐝𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐯𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐬𝐭 𝐠𝐨𝐞𝐬 𝐛𝐞𝐲𝐨𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐨𝐧.
    𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐚 𝐬𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐞𝐭𝐚𝐥 𝐜𝐨𝐬𝐭.”

    Only because the left keeps socializing everything.

    Free markets impose the costs of poor conduct on those who engage in that conduct.

    “𝐖𝐞𝐥𝐥 𝐢𝐭’𝐬 𝐦𝐚𝐝𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐭𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐯𝐢𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧, 𝐡𝐚𝐬𝐧’𝐭 𝐢𝐭?
    𝐌𝐢𝐚𝐦𝐢 𝐕𝐢𝐜𝐞? 𝐍𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐨𝐬.”
    Are you really arguing that the drug war is justified because of entertaining TV shows ?

    “𝐖𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐫𝐮𝐠 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐝𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐚 𝐥𝐨𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐯𝐢𝐨𝐥𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐟𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐦𝐞.”
    NOPE. McDonald’s sells hamburgers – there is no violence theft and crime from that.

    It is when you make trade illegal that you have crime.

    “T𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐥𝐞𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐡𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐞𝐧?”
    We have actually had legal drugs for most of human existance – government “just let it happen” there was not significant violence associated with drugs. If fact most drug use – opiates, weed, reduce violence.

    “𝐎𝐑 𝐦𝐚𝐲𝐛𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐰𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐚 𝐬𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐞𝐭𝐲 𝐚𝐬 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐜 𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐯𝐨𝐢𝐜𝐞𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐝?”
    Again you are not clairvoyant.
    Work on what is going on in your own head.

    BTW a balance between chaos and order is absolutely necescary for continuously rising standard of living,
    and that balance leans hard away from order.

    “𝐏𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐜𝐚𝐧’𝐭 𝐛𝐞 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐝.”
    Then govenrment can not be either – govenrment is people – with power.

    “𝐘𝐨𝐮 𝐰𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐞𝐞 𝐚 𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐮𝐧𝐫𝐞𝐠𝐮𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝?”
    Sweden and most of those nordic purported social democracies that you fawn over are LESS regulated than the US.

    “𝐆𝐨 𝐭𝐨 𝐌𝐞𝐱𝐢𝐜𝐨: 𝐃𝐢𝐫𝐭𝐲, 𝐜𝐨𝐫𝐫𝐮𝐩𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬.”
    With a rapidly rising standard of living.

    “𝐘𝐨𝐮 𝐰𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭?
    𝐌𝐚𝐲𝐛𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐝𝐨.”
    non-sequitur.

    “𝐎𝐡 𝐧𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐞. 𝐌𝐲 𝐟𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐧𝐝 𝐓____ 𝐠𝐫𝐞𝐰 𝐰𝐞𝐞𝐝 𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐲 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬, 𝐚𝐥𝐰𝐚𝐲𝐬 𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐫.
    𝐍𝐨𝐰 𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐚 𝟏𝟎𝟎% 𝐥𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐥, 𝟓𝟐,𝟎𝟎𝟎 𝐬𝐪𝐮𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐨𝐭 𝐢𝐧𝐝𝐨𝐨𝐫 𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐢𝐧 𝐂______
    𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐭’𝐬 𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐢𝐯𝐞. 𝐕𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐢𝐯𝐞.
    𝐖𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐪𝐮𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐲. 𝐅𝐢𝐫𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐥. 𝐏𝐚𝐜𝐤𝐚𝐠𝐢𝐧𝐠. 𝐓𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠.
    𝐒𝐭𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐟𝐢𝐭𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞.”

    You do not understand economics.

    Illegal drug dealers are LITTERALLY buying legal weed in CO and transporting it to other states because that is cheaper.

    “𝐖𝐡𝐢𝐜𝐡 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐬𝐪𝐮𝐞𝐞𝐳𝐞𝐝 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐚 𝐥𝐨𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐠𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐦𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐬 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐝𝐨𝐧’𝐭 𝐰𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞 𝐫𝐞𝐠𝐮𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝.”
    Again you do not understand economics at all.
    Businesses compete.
    If you are not constantly producing better and cheaper – you will be “squeezed out”

    You do understand that Standard Oil was broken up because it was selling its products (for decades” too “cheaply”

    “𝐘𝐨𝐮 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐧𝐨 𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐚 𝐡𝐨𝐰 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐩𝐞𝐥𝐥 “𝐬𝐮𝐩𝐩𝐥𝐲.””
    Are you paying for my writing ? If not you have no say in what or how I write.

    “𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐲𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐚 𝐛𝐢𝐠 𝐛𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐤𝐞𝐭 𝐢𝐧 𝐜𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐚𝐛𝐢𝐬.
    𝐀 𝐠𝐮𝐲 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐈 𝐥𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐛𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐤𝐞𝐭.
    𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐚 𝐡𝐮𝐠𝐞 𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐰𝐞𝐞𝐝, 𝐰𝐡𝐢𝐜𝐡 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐚 𝐥𝐨𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐚𝐱𝐞𝐬, 𝐜𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐣𝐨𝐛𝐬,.”

    Your arguments are so vague and non specific as to be meaningless.
    Nothing you write above is clear.

    “𝐀𝐥𝐥 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐬, 𝐚𝐥𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐈 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐜𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐚𝐛𝐢𝐬 𝐢𝐬 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐢𝐨𝐮𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐧 𝐢𝐭 𝐠𝐞𝐭𝐬 𝐜𝐫𝐞𝐝𝐢𝐭 𝐟𝐨𝐫.
    𝐈𝐭’𝐬 𝐬𝐨 𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐧𝐠 𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐢𝐭 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞𝐬 𝐬𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐭 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐝𝐮𝐦𝐛 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐝𝐮𝐦𝐩 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐝𝐮𝐦𝐛𝐞𝐫.”
    Do not care.

    “𝐌𝐚𝐲𝐛𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭’𝐬 𝐡𝐨𝐰 𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐩 𝐠𝐨𝐭 𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐞𝐝?”
    He got elected as backlash against Obama and the left’s stupidity and failure.

    Either he or someone like – possibly even less appealing to you than Trump is with near certainty in the offing.
    You are doing everything possible to assure that.

    “𝐋𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐥 𝐩𝐨𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐛𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐤𝐞𝐭.”
    Yet, you said exactly the opposite above.
    Can you keep your own arguments straight ?

    “𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐞 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐝𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐩𝐞𝐝 𝐪𝐮𝐢𝐭𝐞 𝐚 𝐛𝐢𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐚𝐥𝐬𝐨 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐬𝐪𝐮𝐞𝐞𝐳𝐞𝐝 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐤𝐞𝐭.”
    Its called competition, and it occurs even in black markets.

    “𝐅𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐖𝐢𝐤𝐢𝐩𝐞𝐝𝐢𝐚”

    If only you could understand what you read.

    “𝐈𝐧 𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟖, 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐧 𝟔𝟔𝟑,𝟎𝟎𝟎 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐢𝐣𝐮𝐚𝐧𝐚-𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐬 𝐦𝐚𝐝𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐔𝐧𝐢𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐒𝐭𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐬.”
    So now you are making my arguments for me ?

    “𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐧𝐞𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐦𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐬, 𝐩𝐚𝐜𝐤𝐚𝐠𝐞𝐫𝐬, 𝐦𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞, 𝐞𝐭𝐜. 𝐈 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐝𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬. 𝐂𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐚𝐛𝐢𝐬 𝐢𝐬 𝐥𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐫 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐢𝐯𝐞.”
    You do not know how to read your own sources.
    Nothing has to be labor intensive.

    In the 17th century 95% of human effort was directed at producing food.
    Today it is just barely more than 1%.

    Standard of living rises when more that humans value is created with less human effort.
    Only free markets do that.

    “𝐖𝐞𝐥𝐥 𝐚𝐭 𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐭 𝐬𝐨𝐦𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐢𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐫𝐞𝐠𝐮𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐚𝐱𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐞𝐞𝐧.”
    What kind of an argument is that ?

    “𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐲𝐞𝐭 𝐥𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐳𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐜𝐤𝐞𝐝 𝐬𝐨𝐦𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐠𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐦𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐮𝐭.”
    Actually use your brain.

    What is an illegitimate operator ?
    As best as I can tell YOUR defintion is one who is not government sanctioned.

    “𝐖𝐞𝐥𝐥 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚 𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐜𝐥𝐚𝐢𝐦𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞 𝐚 𝐂𝐡𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐧𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧,”
    So what ? I do not care if you are christian, muslim, jew, athiest. hundu, ….

    “𝐚𝐥𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐝𝐨𝐞𝐬𝐧’𝐭 𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐢𝐧 𝐡𝐨𝐰 𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐩 𝐠𝐨𝐭 𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐞𝐝.”
    Your idiocy and Obama’s failures got him elected.

    The same of Biden and you will wither get him re-elected or someone you like even worse. in the future.

    “𝐒𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐚 𝐬𝐮𝐩𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐞𝐝𝐥𝐲 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐚𝐥, 𝐂𝐡𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐧𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐞 𝐰𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐛𝐨𝐝𝐢𝐞𝐬?

    𝐏𝐫𝐨𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐭𝐮𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐚𝐤𝐞𝐬 𝐚 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐩 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐬𝐨𝐮𝐥, 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐚𝐬 𝐝𝐫𝐮𝐠𝐬 𝐝𝐨.”

    You keep using the word “encourage” as if anything government does not make a crime is “encouraged”.

    I have no interntion of using or being a prostitute, nor of doing drugs. ‘

    Just because I will not do something. Just because I think something is a poor choice, does not give me the right to take that choice from others by force.

    “𝐅𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐚𝐦𝐞 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐨𝐧 𝐀𝐮𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐚 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐠𝐞𝐬 $𝟑𝟎 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐚 𝐩𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐨𝐟 𝐜𝐢𝐠𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐬. 𝐓𝐨 𝐝𝐢𝐬𝐬𝐮𝐚𝐝𝐞 𝐜𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐳𝐞𝐧𝐬 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐝𝐚𝐦𝐚𝐠𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐯𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐞𝐭𝐚𝐥 𝐜𝐨𝐬𝐭.”

    Not governments job.

  2. There is a war between the respectable classes and the underclass and wars cannot end unless both sides want to and the underclass cannot want to because to them kow towing to the respectable would be a cause of unutterable shame and because the righteousness of the respectable classes is in fact SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS and means they cannot tolerate expending resources on the underclass in any way that benefits those people. Considerable resources are allocated to the underclass in the form of police, courts, prosecutors, prisons , probation, parole oversight and that means they are not available to correct the deficiencies of their education or teach them law abiding skills.

    One problem is the drug war. Association with drugs is used as a litmus test for evil as once was association with witchcraft. Noone wanted to do anything that would help witches beyond hanging or burning them and many of the respectable consider punishment the only way to deter drug use but drug use for many people is the only way they can ameliorate their bad states of consciousness so locking them in prison for drug use simply causes them to use more drugs and drugs are available in prison.

    In fact the drug war is a strategy for keeping the underclass under control and the respectable classes have always wanted to control the underclass to prevent them from becoming uppity and getting benefits to which they are not entitled. Most of the underclass consists of descendants of the slaves that that evil woke politician Abraham Lincon stole and wrongly freed.

    Whites have always despised and feared blacks and they didn’t stop hating and fearing them after they were freed in fact they feared them more and feared any rise in their social status hence deliberate actions that prevented them rising and confined them in an underclass. Some few n e g r o e s did rise in status and became accepted as respectable n i g g e r s but that doesn’t stop them being accosted when driving or walking while black

    I refer you to this comment of mine (http://www.drugwarrant.com/2021/04/is-joe-biden-an-old-dog/#comment-349554) on the Drug War Rant blog (http://www.drugwarrant.com/) which is a good blog on drug reform that does not get updated much today but has archives that are well worth perusing.

    1. You bring up a good point with the War on drugs, and drugs in general as a central issue to lives in the inner cities. I’ve long wondered how differently those neighborhoods would have turned out for the families there if the Gargoyle (GHWB) & his CIA cronies hadn’t dropped cocaine, & then crack cocaine, and then guns, on those inner cities (using their cartel contacts & smuggling the stuff up north).
      Well, now we’ll never know. I personally believe that MANY of the people in those families would have far better lives now. And I also think that almost all Americans have wanted to see blacks be equally as able to succeed as any other race~ the same way most people have to do it. Through focus, belief in themselves, good choices, and hard work. Framing a whole race as just victims isn’t helpful, but I do see the seeding of black neighborhoods with the drugs that presented an easy way to make money (besides being highly addictive) & on top of that=guns, all contributing to “thug life” and the ruination of so many lives, as a crime against humanity.

      1. The use of drugs predates GHWB by lifetimes.

        US drag use and addiction has been constant for as long as we have data.

        The war on Drugs did not reduce drug use, nor have the actions of others – such a GHWB increased it.

        I am not a Bush fan, but that does not mean I am going to ignore a false narative.

        AS to the CIA – I am with Pres. Truman – who created them – they were a mistake.

  3. Why did the kid end up with the gun? It’s very simple. The punishment for an adult with a gun and a previous arrest record is more severe than for an underage kid with a gun http://publicsearch1.chicagopolice.org/Arrests/Details/17986120. Toledo took the fall for his good buddy Roman. He will be given a tear filled funeral by his broken hearted brothers in the hood. You can rest assured that brother Andrew Yang will be in attendance. Don’t forget an invitation for brotheress Maxine Waters.

  4. It doesn’t really mater if the death was justified. Regardless of the circumstances we can keep black people under our thumb at the voting booth by saying it was a murder. If we keep them convinced that they are victims and we provide them with a crust of bread they will be convinced that we are on their side and we will keep our power. Our plan of action has not changed from Circuses and bread for the unwashed masses. Please send your donations to the Democratic Party and tune in to CNN or MSNBC for further instructions.

  5. “Toledo was armed until a fraction of a second before the shooting”

    or

    “shows what appears to be a gun in his hand less than two seconds before the shots are fired”

    Which is it? Both statements don’t seem to be true. Was it less than 1 second? Then fraction works, but why not say less than 1 second rather than less than 2 seconds. Was it between 1 and 2 seconds? That would not qualify as a fraction of a second.

    Can’t have it both ways Mr. Turley.

    1. BabyTrump splits some hairs for us. One thousand one one thousand two. Fast enough for you BabyThoughts.

  6. I have seen the unedited body cam footage, including slowed down still by still images of the final moments.

    The officers were called to the scene of shooting.

    Adam Toledo suddenly stopped running by that gap in the fence. He turned away from the officer, and pulled a gun out of the back of his pants, twisted back around towards the officer. He threw the gun behind the fence in the same motion as he turned. He turned the same way as one would to turn and fire. He threw the gun and then continued to move his hands to the up position as the officer fired.

    It’s like a magician’s sleight of hand, where they move so quickly you can’t see them getting rid of what’s in their hand.

    The officer cannot press pause and advance a screen frame by frame. Someone involved in a shooting stops, reaches behind them, grabs a gun, and turns towards you, the officer is going to shoot.

    The officer doesn’t know this person, or their age. They see someone reach behind them, grab a gun, and turn.

    Adam Toledo was part of a gang. His gang name was “Lil Homicide.” I wonder how he got that moniker. He was out at 2:30 AM with a grown man, and one of them fired shots into an intersection.

    This child should have been home. He shouldn’t have ever run with a gang. He had been missing a few days at a time, multiple times, in the weeks preceding. His mother had not reported this recent absence to the police.

    What do I always say? The children of single mothers have a statistical likelihood to live in poverty in a dangerous neighborhood, do poorly in school or drop out, join a gang, commit crimes, do drugs, go to prison, and or get killed. They’re set on the path of going nowhere in life. And they have kids, whom they abandon to mothers who perpetuate the cycle.

    This is the normal for this particular subset of the population. Although single motherhood is most common among black people, the rate is rising among whites and Latinos, with similar poor outcomes.

    This subset of black culture is not the entirety of black culture. The Obamas, Dwayne Johnson, Idris Elba, Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Ben Carson, Candace Owens, Amala Ekpunobi…none of them belong to this culture. They either never did, or they escaped it at some point in his life, Carson being a notable example.

    We need to stop lionizing the products of single motherhood and criminal culture. We need to stop pretending that resisting arrest is a moral thing to do. It is not safe to pull a gun in front of a cop, even if you mean to throw it away. The action of pulling it makes you a mortal threat. He’s not going to stand there and see if you mean to pull the trigger. Pulling it is enough.

    I wonder if he pulled it and tossed it because “Lil Homicide” had used it to murder people, and hoped it would be missed. He didn’t move slowly and carefully, saying he’s going to put his gun down. He twisted, grabbed it, rotated back and threw it like he was in a magic show. That was an incredibly unsafe maneuver, which he discovered to his detriment.

    Kids should not be shooting at traffic. They should not be out on the street at 2:30 AM with an adult who is shooting at cars. They should not run from cops. They should not pull a gun out of their pants in front of a cop.

    If they do any of these things, they are at high risk of dying young and breaking their family’s hearts. It is heartbreaking how many young people are out there on the streets, child soldiers here in America. Joined gangs. Smoking weed and worse. Committing crimes. Going absolutely nowhere and blaming racism or anyone but themselves. They were set on this path by their parents. That’s why it’s such a heroic accomplishment when mothers in this situation battle to get their kids out of this environment and on the path to success.

    Based on what I’ve seen so far, this appears to be a justified shooting. The investigation is ongoing. White people get shot under similar circumstances, and the public doesn’t care.

    One way to know the media is shaping public opinion is to analyze its coverage. They are showing screen shots. Edited frames that don’t show the gun. They focus on the final frame with his hands up. They are making it look like the officer saw a child with his hands up and shot him because of racism. They’re portraying “Lil Homicide” with baby pictures.

    That’s not accurate. None of these people were chasing down an armed gunman, who drew his gun and turned on them. None of their lives were at stake. None of them are analyzing what Adam Toledo did to make this a deadly encounter.

    And most of all, none of these armchair quarterback activists will admit that if Adam Toledo did not flee, if he stood there with his hands up and said he had a gun in his pocket, allowing cops to carefully remove it, this kid would be alive. With a moniker like that, maybe that gun would point cops at a few homicide charges. Maybe not. But he’d be alive today.

    1. This boy was part of a gang, why? Because he had given up on trying to be accepted by society. When people have accepted that respectable society will never have a place for them they notionally say to respectable society “you think I am evil well I will try to be the BIGGEST EVIL you can imagine. If society creates conditions that create and perpetuate an underclass the society has to take some of the blame for the actions of that underclass.

      The fact is that respectable society and the underclass are AT WAR and that war started long ago and once a war has started it is very difficult to stop. Surely the underclass will not sue for peace because what self esteem they have left will not let them and respectable society will not try to stop the war because its RIGHTEOUS RAGE at the underclass will not let it. Karen your scorn for single mothers will not let you make any move to stop the war as you expect members of the underclass to stop their underclass behaviour first but they can’t because they don’t know how and they don’t know how to because they have never had the experiences needed to learn how to stop their behaviour.

      Respectable society’s attempts to correct underclass behaviour involve punishment and more punishment and no attempts to rehabilitate by teaching correct behaviour. They are supposed to wake up one day and think “maybe if I stop committing crimes they will stop punishing me” but committing crimes is a habit that they don’t know how to break and one of the things for which they get punished is using and trading drugs. Different people use drugs for different reasons and a single individual may use drugs for different reasons at different times. Sometimes people use drugs because it makes them feel good and this is relatively harmless unless the law gets involved or their habit becomes too expensive and they must resort to crime, but some people use drugs because their normal state of consciousness is intolerable and drug use, legal or illegal is the only way of making it tolerable. The justification for drug prohibition is that drug use causes misery but causality so runs the other way, misery causes drug use and drug use causes drug trading. Members of the underclass are generally pretty unhappy and that the things that make them happy are drug use, violence and high adrenaline behaviours such as gang warfare. Punishment does does not correct their behaviour because it is positive reinforcement as much as it is negative reinforcement. Members of the underclass like to do things that p i s s respectable society off so locking them in prison pleases them as it confirms they have succeeded in that and may convince them to commit more crime.

      The drug laws are a major component of the war against the underclass and it does not achieve its stated purpose of preventing the harm done by drugs, drug reformers advocate HARM MINIMISATION but the drug war achieves HARM MAXIMISATION and in my view that is what many drug warriors want. They want to do good to people that they hate in a way that inflicts maximum harm.

      I refer to this comment (http://www.drugwarrant.com/2021/04/is-joe-biden-an-old-dog/#comment-349554) that I posted recently on (Drug War Rant http://www.drugwarrant.com/) which is a good drug reform blog which is not updated much today but the archives of which are worthwhile studying.

      1. We have LOTS of bad laws – the drug laws are a perfect example.

        Nearly all bad laws are most harmful to the “underclases”.

        You note drug laws.
        Minimum wage laws insidiously appeal to the underclasses while at the same time harming them.
        Occupational licensing laws are direct harms to the underclass.

        Why can’t just about anyone braid hair for money. or do nails ? Or any of myriads of medium or low skill jobs.

        I can paint my own property myself – but I am required by law to hire a licesnsed contractor if I do not do it myself.
        I can not hire the neighbor kids.

        On and on and on.

        Pretty much all laws and regulations impact those near the top very little and have disparately greater impact as fortunes decline.

        Nearly all regulations – create barriers to entry protecting big business from small business.

        None of this is new.

        There are multiple nobel economics prizes for work specifically in this field back as early as 1972.

        The police do not make the laws – they enforce them.
        And ALL laws are ultimately imposed by force.

        If you are not willing to see the police kill someone over something – then do not make it a law.

  7. “Fauci on gun violence: ‘How can you say that’s not a public health issue?'”

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/18/politics/anthony-fauci-gun-violence-public-health-emergency-cnntv/index.html

    Excerpt:

    (CNN)Dr. Anthony Fauci, President Joe Biden’s chief medical adviser, acknowledged Sunday that gun violence in the US is a public health emergency.

    “Myself, as a public health person, I think you can’t run away from that. When you see people getting killed, in this last month it’s just been horrifying what’s happened. How can you say that’s not a public health issue?” he told CNN’s Dana Bash on “State of the Union” when asked if gun violence was a public health emergency.
    Fauci’s comments come after a rash of mass shootings in the past month. The US has suffered at least 45 mass shootings since March 16, when eight people were killed at three Atlanta-area spas, according to CNN reporting and an analysis of data from the Gun Violence Archive (GVA), local media and police reports. CNN considers an incident to be a mass shooting if four or more people, excluding the gunman, are wounded or killed by gunfire.
    After a mass shooting at an Indianapolis FedEx facility that left at least eight people dead last week, Biden called the recent spate of mass shootings “a national embarrassment” and urged Congress to take action.

    “It’s not always these mass shootings that are occurring — every single day, every single day there’s a mass shooting in the United States, if you count all those who are killed out on the streets of our cities and our rural areas,” Biden said Friday during a joint press conference in the White House Rose Garden with Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga. “It’s a national embarrassment and must come to an end.”

    -CNN

    1. It’s a crime issue, not public health.

      The purview of public health is disease and nutrition.

      Doctors can’t affect crime rates or poverty.

      Yes this criminal culture is a national embarrassment. Perhaps we should stop shielding it as no fault of the participants.

        1. And as President Biden noted:

          “It’s a national embarrassment and must come to an end.”

          1. I agree with the last statement that it’s a national embarrassment and must end.

            I just don’t think it ever will as long as the root cause is never addressed. And that’s not racism.

            Single motherhood is a tremendous statistical risk factor for the offspring to live in poverty, do poorly in schools, join gangs, commit crimes, do drugs, go to jail, or be killed.

            Single motherhood is rising. Why do you think that is?

            We are watching the statistical outcomes unfold in communities. While this tragically occurs in black communities more than any other, it’s also on the rise in Latino and white communities, as well, with similar poor outcomes.

            Mothers are financially penalized if they live with the father of their children. It’s harder to get benefits if they list the father on the birth certificate, incentivizing mothers to list no known father.

            Democrats keep making the same promises. Vote for them and they’ll solve all these problems. They keep blaming white people, and Republicans, when often neither of those are present.

            What are we going to do about it?

            You have to make a connection between policy and outcome. Between behavior and consequence.

            Men depositing babies with women and then walking away, dumping the entire responsibility on her and the government produces a bad result. Policies that incentivize irresponsible behavior creates a bad result. Rhetoric that blames white people and racism for the result of bad choices is never going to help those suffering with the consequences.

            Stop creating an incentive for women not to live with the fathers of their children. Make schools safe. Many are so violent that it’s impossible to get a decent education. Get SJW out of schools. They are producing graduates who are illiterate and can’t figure basic sums. These graduates will never be able to get a good job and escape. They’re just treading the same circular pattern to nowhere.

            Most of all, increase police presence in high crime neighborhoods. If it’s dangerous for a kid to walk a street, there is an incentive to join a gang for protection. Take that incentive away.

            If the black community formed a human wall, swept through high crime neighborhoods and shoved out the gangs, they would be better off. If they coordinated volunteers to walk kids to and from school, and watch over playgrounds, they’d be better off. If they brought back conservative values, and rejected drug and criminal culture, they’d be better off.

            We need to hold up conservative values, and icons such as Thomas Sowell, Ben Carson, Larry Elder, and Candace Owens, instead of holding up gangsters and rap artists as people to emulate.

            Why have parents told their children for generation to stay out of trouble, study hard, and get married before having trouble? Because it works!!!

            1. One of the reasons that so many mothers are single is that their baby fathers are in prison for drug crimes. The law and order approach to the drug problem makes the plight of the underclass worse.

              Another approach to drugs is needed HARM MINIMIZATION instead of HARM MAXIMIZATION.

              1. Drugs are indeed a problem, but those that are in jail are more likely to have committed crimes more severe than just a possession offense. Ask yourself where the money comes from when buying drugs.

                However what you miss, excusable because you are Australian, is that the government created a lot of single women because they made it better financially for many not to be married. Then again we have a lot of fathers that have multiple children to different mothers so marriage is impossible unless polygamy is acceptable. Then again many of these fathers have barely enough money to take care of themselves or their drug habits (should they have one) so they don’t make the best family men.

                1. SM

                  Using drugs is normal human behaviour hence trafficking drugs is normal human behaviour.

                  The laws against illegal drugs are justified as a means to combat the harm that drugs do, minimize harm but they in fact increase the harm and add the harm caused by the drug laws but since it is happening to VERY BAD PEOPLE this harm is seen as A GOOD.

                  Because user and drug traffickers are seen as so wicked a lot of collateral punishments are piled on after they leave prison, they are confined to poverty wage McJobs since many businesses won’t employ criminals or even people with arrest records and they are banned from professions even low level ones such as barber and beautician. In addition they are permanently blocked from certain welfare such as social housing, food stamps and assistance with education. If a baby daddy is released from prison and his baby momma is living in social housing he can not live with her or the whole family will lose their home.
                  They also lose their right to vote so they cannot vote for anyone who is not a drug war zealot.

                  Yes I am an Australian and Australia has its own underclass. One component is the descendants of the unlawful migrants who entered the continent 40,000, 60,000 or maybe 80,000 years ago. They have the very same problems with the law as the black underclass in the USA, bad health, bad housing, high unemployment and deaths in custody at the hands of police. I have mentioned them before in some of my previous replies to you. One thing that they don’t have is collateral punishment by the state as in the USA.

                  The fact is that most Australian aborigines are seen as a despised underclass and even middle and professional class aborigines get stopped by police.

                  Another component of the underclass is relative recently arrived migrants. After the end of the second world war Australia had a lot of low skilled migrants but had manufacturing jobs for them as it also had at that time manufacturing industry. Those migrants started at the bottom of the heap but progressed upwards. Later migrants didn’t get that start in the low skilled jobs and got stuck in the underclass. I can’t give you the exact dates as I will have to do some investigation. Australia received two groups of migrants from Lebanon, initially Christians but later Muslems. The Christians arrived when entry level jobs were available and progressed upwards but the Muslems arrived after the entry level jobs were gone and many are stuck in the poverty classes.

                  With any underclass the misery comes from exclusion by the respectable classes who use considerable effort to keep them down, their perception that they are victims is correct as is that of many US N e g r o e s.

                  CM

                  1. “Using drugs is normal human behaviour hence trafficking drugs is normal human behaviour.”

                    Carlyle, your point, despite the fact that illegally trafficking drugs, stealing and killing are not normal behavior has to be questioned. What you think is normal represents your unique outlook on life. I don’t think many people agree with your thoughts. After all you mentioned if you had the power you would exterminate the entire human race.

                    Should drugs be legalized? Let’s put it this way, if they were legalized the addicts should not be on any government subsidies what so ever if drugs had anything to do with their needs. If a person is jailed for stealing or other illegalities to earn money, don’t blame it on drugs or an illness. Throw him in jail.

                    You are making statements in your diatribe that aren’t true. I’m not about to correct them as you will repeat the same errors as you did in our other discussion. I didn’t bother to correct your last response to me because you said goodbye and I decided to say goodbye as well since your last response merely repeated prior misconceptions..

                    What is it that makes an American unredeemable ‘underclass’? I don’t think your particular understanding of the so called underclass is correct in almost any matter you state. I think a lot of your data is wrong.

                    1. There are arguments for legalizing drug use. In California, the DEA and other agencies tried for decades to eliminate the cannabis growing in the state by making it illegal.

                      But what really killed it was making cannabis cultivation legal.

                      It’s the most regulated crop in California and extremely expensive to do legally, and that squeezed a lot of the black market people out of the market.

                      Legalizing drugs will eliminate gridlock in the courts and leave them open for more serious crimes.

                      And not to mention cannabis cultivation is worth tens of billions of dollars, is taxed extravagantly and creates jobs.

                      They call it dope for a reason: Pot is so strong now it makes smart people dumb and dumb people dumber, but the economics of it are great.

                    2. There are loads of arguments both pro and con for legalizing drugs but based what I see with your present name and your past ones I don’t think you have a good handle on the problem so it isn’t worth discussing with you.

                      SM

                    3. You are correct Ben does not even make good arguments when he is on the right side of an issue.

                      He does not know what he is talking about – even when he accidentally pick the right position.

                      There are arguments for criminalizing drugs. There may be good arguments for it.
                      But there are not moral arguments for it, and there are not arguments that work in practice.

                      Spending on the war on Drugs has gone from very little to 1.5T/year over decades.
                      Over that time variations in drug use and abuse are little more than noise.

                      The same portion fo people abuse drugs today as 70 years ago.

                      The war on Drugs did not work.

                      Not Marijuana, not Crack, not Cocaine, not Meth, not Heroine, ….

                      But the criminalization of drugs has increased violent crime.

                      And we know that violent crime declines when drugs are decriminalized.

                      I do not care if you want to use pot or heroine.

                      I do care if you rob, rape, or murder others.

                      Wreck your own life. Or maybe you wont. Not anyone’s business, but your own.

                    4. “There are arguments for legalizing drug use.”
                      Saying there are arguments presumes that there is a split in the evidence – there is not.

                      Prohibition did not work. The war on Drugs obviously does not work. Even the FDA is a disaster – killing people because drug approvals take longer than people live, and because drugs that can not make $2B in profits will not be developed because they are not worth approving. The left does not grasp the unintended consequences of their actions.

                      If the FDA does not actually make sense – why would anyone expect criminalizing Marijuana or Heroin would work any better than prohibition or limiting access to life saving medicines.

                      We SHOULD be able to grasp this just from the Covid mess.

                      The Moderna vaccine was developed in February 2020. Everything since then has been determining its safety, and to figure out how to manufacture it.

                      Think of the hundreds of thousands that could have been saved if it was available in June ?

                      There is no reason it could not have been available in June had we tolerated less than perfect safety.

                      What level of vaccine safety would have been accepatable in June ?

                      More than 500,000 people have died since then. What if we gambled on a vaccine that might kill 250K ?

                      That would still be half the number of deaths.

                      This is one of the problems with Government – nothing is ever safe enough for government. No matter how many people have to die waiting for safe enough for government.

                      “In California, the DEA and other agencies tried for decades to eliminate the cannabis growing in the state by making it illegal.”
                      Observant – but carry this further – the government lost Prohibition. It lost the war against vice – we still have as much prostitution, and gambling as ever. It has lost the war against drugs.

                      If people want to do something – making it illegal does not stop them. It just turns law abiding citizens into criminals – except they are not criminals – they engage in activities that might harm themselves but not others. Those are not crimes.

                      “But what really killed it was making cannabis cultivation legal.”
                      Over the course of the entire war on drugs the impact on drug use and addition has been little more than noise.

                      “It’s the most regulated crop in California”
                      Anfd that is a mistake. Crops should not be regulated. What we grow is not the business of government.

                      “and extremely expensive to do legally,”
                      That is actually false.
                      “and that squeezed a lot of the black market people out of the market.”
                      You have no idea how supple and demand work. If legal pot was ridiculously expensive the black market would remain huge and thrive.
                      Which is precisely what occurs with regulated tobacco products.

                      If you want the black market to disappear – legal pot must be cheap and plentiful.
                      Otherwise you are merely fighting a tax war. You will have the same problems as you do with the war on drugs with even less moral authority.

                      “Legalizing drugs will eliminate gridlock in the courts and leave them open for more serious crimes.”

                      Probably not by alot. It will have a small impact on out prison population. But a large impact on WHY people are in prison.
                      I would greatly prefer that we lock people up because they are violent rather than because they were selling drugs.

                      “And not to mention cannabis cultivation is worth tens of billions of dollars, is taxed extravagantly and creates jobs.”
                      It is not likely that the market will expand greatly – it just becomes a legal market.
                      Approximately the same money is being made – just by different people.

                      A legal cannibis grow facility is very high tech – I have been in them. It employes LESS people, it is automated – but those employed are higher skill.

                      And if you want to eliminate illegal drug trade – you can not extravagantly tax legal drugs, or you will still have the illegal trade.

                      We already know this – whether it is drugs or vice – if criminals can deliver more value or serve a market that legal services are priced out of there will be illegal markets.

                      Varrious countries all over the world have decriminalized prostitution to different extents. We KNOW that eliminating criminal prositution – pimps and trafficking only occurs when prostitution is fully legal and not regulated.

                      “They call it dope for a reason: Pot is so strong now it makes smart people dumb and dumb people dumber, but the economics of it are great.”

                      Who cares ? If you want to take Pot – why should govenrment stop you ? If you want to take HCQ – why should government stop you ?
                      If you want to take Aides drugs you buy in foreign countries – why should government stop you ?

                      You are not free, if you can only do what others agree is not stupid.

                    5. SM

                      You confuse the words NORMAL and LEGAL.

                      That society makes a law against some behaviour does not make it that the enforcement of the law makes things better for everyone. Often laws are prompted by RELIGIOUS MORALITY like the laws against witchcraft and devil worship and certain drugs.

                      MORALITY -> DISAPPROVAL OF DRUGS -> LAWS AGAINST DRUGS -> ENFORCEMENT of LAW.
                      -> UNDERCLASS MISERY.

                      If a drug is INTRINSICALLY harmful it makes sense to ban it but much of the harm attributed to DRUGS should be ATTRIBUTED to CONSEQENCES of LAW ENFORCEMENT.

                      OPIATE USERS DIE but that is not because they use opiates, it is because they use opiates from illegal markets where dose is not standardized and the ratio between different doses exceeds that between a dose that gives the desired effect and one that is lethal. If opiates were available from legal sources at known strength amd at a reasonable price the OD & crime consequences would not OCCUR.

                      Opiate use leads to crime because high black market prices are more than addicts can afford so many turn to crime. If the USA like SWITZERLAND provided herpin of known strength to addicts.

                      If a drug impairs reflexes and judgement it may make sense to punish driving or operating machinery or conducting surgery when impaired but not for using when not doing any such activities.

                      STEALING is a RESULT of exorbitant black market prices, KILLING is the result of gangs trying to protect THEIR TURF in the lucrative BLACK MARKET. Black markateers cannot apeal to law enforcement when someoone steals their stah, they have to arrabge their own deterrence.

                      CM

                    6. “You confuse the words NORMAL and LEGAL”

                      Carlyle, in your attempt to play word games you left out the definition of the word ‘normal’. It is not ‘normal’ for people to buck social conventions. It is normal for cultures to develop rules of behavior so that people can peacefully live together. Bucking social conventions is not ‘normal’ from the point of view of an existing society.

                      Your linkage to “UNDERCLASS MISERY.” is your linkage because that seems to be your thing. You seem to believe in chaos which is fine for you but not fine for the people around you. You can believe “STEALING is a RESULT of exorbitant black market prices” but don’t expect agreement. There is a difference between stealing for a loaf of bread when one is starving and stealing a New York Prime because one likes the taste.

                    7. “If a drug is INTRINSICALLY harmful”
                      Why ? There are myriads of drugs that are intrinsically harmful – yet they are not banned.
                      Has anyone banned Tide Pods ? Bleach ?

                      You fixated on the religious imposition of morality – most religions bad suicide. Why should governments ?

                      Regardless, if you are not free to do something stupid that only harms yourself – you are not free.

                      “Opiate use leads to crime because high black market prices”
                      I was surprised at how LOW the price of drugs is.

                      “If a drug impairs reflexes and judgement it may make sense to punish driving or operating machinery or conducting surgery when impaired but not for using when not doing any such activities.”

                      We have never needed specific laws for these cases.

                      It has ALWAYS been a Tort to cause harm to others.
                      It has ALWAYS been a crime to recklessly cause harm to others.

                    8. SM

                      Carlyle, in your attempt to play word games you left out the definition of the word ‘normal’. It is not ‘normal’ for people to buck social conventions. It is normal for cultures to develop rules of behavior so that people can peacefully live together. Bucking social conventions is not ‘normal’ from the point of view of an existing society.

                      Sometimes social conventions are silly, very silly or absolutely stupid so there is a place in the world for satire. Generally social conventions are set to restrain human behaviour more than it is possible to retain it but some people are not restrained even when law is the means of restraint.

                      There is always a privilege hierarchy and one finds that law is lax in restraining those high in the hierarchy, Donald Trump, Joe Biden and Hunter Biden for example but very severe on the lower orders. If the drug laws were applied with zeal in the places where respectable white people live the laws would be gone within five years.

                      People use drugs for many different reasons and use because it gives a good feeling is less harmful than using because addicted which essentially is using to stop feeling bad. Switzerland provided heroin addicts with heroin and apart from its consumption their lives are normal and productive. They don’t reasort to crime and there is less of an expensive black market.

                      Many bad consequences of drugs are consequences of adaptions to their high cost and illegal status. Oral drug taking is less harmful than smoking which is less harmfuthan than IV administration. The harmful consumption methods are adapttions to the high price and are attempts to make less drug go further.

                      I content that since drug use IS normal it is necessary to have available a regulated legal market covering sufficient menu of different types of mind altering effects. If the menu is sufficient few will experiment with harmful drugs outside the menu but if it is nor sufficient black markets will remain. There is nothing that could enrage black marketeers more than a legal market.

                      There is also some extr stuff that I will not repeat here in my reply below to John Say.

                      CM

                    9. “Sometimes social conventions are silly”

                      No doubt, but there are many people who have no problem causing harm to others. I am more classical liberal / libertarian than anything else but I recognize the need for government and some restraint on those that can hurt others.

                      I do not argue against drug use. I argue that we have set up social and economic systems that cause harm to others when drug use is rampant.

                      You use the word normal which in different circumstances can mean different things so understand what you call normal I refer to as your personal desire.

                  2. CM.

                    So why aren’t you a libertarian ?

                    I do not know if using drugs is normal human behavior.
                    I do not smoke.
                    I have never used an illegal drug – I have never smoked a joint.
                    I rarely consume alcohol, and I am happy with my life as it is.

                    At the same time – I have no interest in limiting your freedom to live differently than I.

                    If you wish to drink, smoke, even do herion – that is your choice.

                    You get to make your own choices in your life.
                    If those choices result in great success – that success is yours.
                    If they result in failure – it is your failure.

                    I will be happy to join you to get rid of the vast majority of our stupid laws.

                    No drug laws – NONE. No FDA, no perscriptions.
                    Merely holding people who sell drugs – whether they are Pfiser or the corner drug dealer accountable should they cause harm.
                    Torts.

                    No prostitution laws.
                    No business regulations.
                    None of this nonsense.

                    We have had a tort law system for centuries.
                    Tort law rests on the principle that if your actions cause harm to others – you are responsible to make them whole.

                    That should apply to all – including government.
                    It does not matter whether your actions are intentional or accidental.

                    Though intentionally harmful acts are often crimes.

                    To be clear – I am not so stupid as to beleive that we can easily get to “libertopia”.
                    But that does not mean that the evidence does not exist – and is in fact damming to prove that govenrment restricting out freedom short of actual violence to others, is net negative for all of us.

                    Drug laws are an absolute disaster. If we had any doubt – look at countries that have few or none.
                    They are not perfect – they still have drug problems.
                    But their crime problems are far lower.

                    To be clear – I have no interest in changing the drug problem from a crime problem to a public health problem.
                    While an improvement – there is no evidence that government is any good at dealing with public health problems either.

                    What I wonder is why it is so hard for people to see the failure of government ?

                    Prohibition failed almost a century ago.
                    Why would anyone expect the war on drugs to do better ?

                    I would further note – at this moment part of the country is engaged in a massive war on the police.

                    The police did not make our laws. Congress did, legislatures did. local governments did.

                    The police are their to enforce the laws we pass.

                    If we are unhappy with that – the problem is with OUR laws – not policing.

                    In fact I want ALL laws – even those I do not like vigorously enforced.
                    Little or no discretion.

                    It is when we chaffe against the laws that we may change them.

                    Regardless, We have some problems with the police – but policing has been improving over time.
                    Governance – law has not.

                    It is not the mineapolis police that are failing – it is mineapolis government.

                    I am incredibly angry at the policiticians – right up to Biden that sanctimoniously condemn Chauvin and the police for doing exactly what they asked of them.

                    1. So why aren’t you a libertarian ?

                      Maybe I am but I believe that good government is necessary and the USA has a collection of APPALLING ones.

                      I do not know if using drugs is normal human behavior.
                      I do not smoke.
                      I have never used an illegal drug – I have never smoked a joint.
                      I rarely consume alcohol, and I am happy with my life as it is.
                      At the same time – I have no interest in limiting your freedom to live differently than I.
                      If you wish to drink, smoke, even do herion – that is your choice.

                      I also do not smoke nor consume ethyl alcohol. In the mid 80’ies I consulted an allergist for my sinus trouble and he told me that one of the many things to which I was allergic is the tobacco plant.
                      I have used marijuana in the seventies but not since. It is my drug of choice but apart from the occasional instances of road rage or assaulting police I am relative law abiding and now that Australia tests drivers for cannabis by-products that remain in the body for months I do not want to lose my licence.
                      As for alcohol residing in St Andrew’s College in the University of Sydney during term from 1967 to 1970 turned me off it. The 4 male colleges had a series of sporting competitions called “the Rawson Cup” and when St Andrew’s won any of these the normal short formal dinner (long enough to eat) was replaced by an extremely long celebratory dinner and the 2 large water jugs per table were replaced by a dozen bottles of beer. The dinners were so long that one had to consume enough beer to make me vomit afterwards in the toilets in which many others had done the same.

                      If you wish to drink, smoke, even do herion – that is your choice.
                      You get to make your own choices in your life.
                      If those choices result in great success – that success is yours.
                      If they result in failure – it is your failure.
                      I will be happy to join you to get rid of the vast majority of our stupid laws.

                      Some people get are handed a menu with many good choices others not so much. People whom society has treated well underestimate how much their good relationship with society has contributed to their successes. Some people are handed a menu with bad choices and worse choices and live in a toxic environment that hobbles their thinking and causes a high level of background anger which breaks out as self defeating rage. To achieve things one has to imagine them being achievable. I judge that any member of the underclass who can imagine escape from it to be out of touch with reality. Nevertheless such a deluded person may in fact escape where a rational person could not.

                      No drug laws – NONE. No FDA, no perscriptions.
                      Merely holding people who sell drugs – whether they are Pfiser or the corner drug dealer accountable should they cause harm.
                      Torts.
                      No prostitution laws.
                      No business regulations.
                      None of this nonsense.

                      Here I disagree with you. ordinary people can only afford tort actions if part of a class. Anyway disputing tort by tort is far more expensive than having a government enforce good regulations.
                      To an extent regulations work and they fail because political donations by deep pocketed industries bribe politicians not to do what is needed. Many of the diseases from which suffer today result from industrial pollution and from the soup of carcinogenic and and hormone mimicking chemicals in which we swim. Each chemical may be only a little bit carcinogenic or hormone mimicking but the effects of all of them at least add the effects of some groups of chemicals may multiply rather than just add. Some chronic diseases like diabetes are now suspected to be partly due to endocrine mimicking plasticiser chemicals used in polymers from which we make food containers and when like bisphenol-A (BPA) they are replaced the replacement chemicals are not tested for similar effects until the effects show up in time. Life evolved over 500m+ years while only exposed to naturally occurring chemicals but since the nineteenth century manufacturers have been introducing chemicals that look useful and that are assumed safe until after 30 years it is found that they are not.
                      Every chemical no matter how useful it appears should be tested for unexpected interactions with biology and DNA.

                      Drug laws are an absolute disaster. If we had any doubt – look at countries that have few or none.
                      They are not perfect – they still have drug problems.
                      But their crime problems are far lower.

                      1/ Some things which we think of as facts are in fact opinions as to what are the facts.
                      2/ Humans are lousy at analysing the causes of problems. They subscribe single cause theory the belief that for for every serious problem one and only one cause can be found. And the solution is to oppose just that one cause.
                      Serious social problems are produced by complicated networks of causal elements. If one wanted to diagram the networks on a white board one would need one as big as a football field.
                      3/ Thera are do gooders of a certain type who enjoy doing good to people whom they hate and despise in ways that do as much damage as possible.

                      4/ Many humans are addicted to scapegoating, they need to believe that they are doing their fair share of fighting the forces of evil and they need litmus tests that reliably marks out the evil in a way acceptable to them, Association with drugs, possession of brown skin and low socioeconomic status all serve.

                    2. “Maybe I am but I believe that good government is necessary and the USA has a collection of APPALLING ones.”

                      Government is a necescary evil. It will always be appalling.
                      We limit government to limit the damage.

                      I do not expect good government. I do expect limited government.

                      “Some people get are handed a menu with many good choices others not so much. ”

                      Life is not fair.
                      We are not equal.

                      I was privileged to be born in the US. I did not earn that. It is not a right, it is nto an entitlement. It is a random occurance that has benefited me and every other american greatly.

                      “People whom society has treated well underestimate how much their good relationship with society has contributed to their successes.”
                      There is a very small grain of truth to this – but MOSTLY it is false.
                      We are not a perfect meritocracy. We are a meritocracy. MOSTLY society treats us in the way we have earned.
                      Complete school, avoid crime, make wise choices, behave responsibly, pay your bills, create a record of trustworthy behavior and society will trust you. 100% of the time ? No. but the exceptions are rare.

                      “Some people are handed a menu with bad choices and worse choices and live in a toxic environment that hobbles their thinking and causes a high level of background anger which breaks out as self defeating rage.”

                      Again life is not fair. We are not born equal.

                      Regardless of what advantages you have,
                      or disadvantages – it is YOUR life – no one else’s.

                      Almost 40 years ago my wife was brutally raped for 4 hours on sunday on her way to church in an abandoned building, by a drunk young black man.

                      We lost several years of our lives to that. We could have been victims forever. But we clawed our way out. We got past the anger, the depression, the anxiety – though once in a while it comes back.

                      A few years after my wife went to law school – an Ivy. She was taught by Elizabeth Warren. I met her Before she was a politician. She was more reasonable then. My wife graduated with honors. She almost got a clerkship with a supreme court feeder judge. She got a federal court clerkship. She followed that with one for a local judge, and then she became a public defender. She has been one for nearly 20 years. She is the head of the appeals division. She has two clients on the nationwide exonerated list. One was falsely accused of rape. Most of her clients are sex offenders. She is one of the more respected appellate lawyers in our state.

                      And this is just a small part of our story. In many things in life we have been fortunate. We have also had many bad things happen to us that most people never experience.

                      I am very proud of her.

                      Life is not fair.
                      Get over it.

                      it is still your life.
                      No one else is going to make it better.

                      That is not judgement.
                      Believe me I can understand not wanting to get out of bed.

                      But we are given one life. No one else is going to live it for us.
                      No one else is going to make it good.

                      “Here I disagree with you. ordinary people can only afford tort actions if part of a class.”
                      False. most tort claims are taken on a contingent fee basis.
                      Further there are companies that will fund legal cases in return for a portion of any award.

                      “Anyway disputing tort by tort is far more expensive than having a government enforce good regulations.”
                      Also false. Government is massively expensive and regulations are rife with unintended consequences.
                      But most importantly – government regulations are a priori and they do not punish Harm they prohibit specific acts that regulators beleive sometimes lead to harm – often wrongly.
                      Torts are A posteriori – after the fact. They punish actual HARM – not hypothetical harm.
                      Further successful torts act as regulations. But a posteriori regulations. NO ONE will be barred from doing what the loser in a tort case does. And if no harm comes of it – they will not be punished. Actors will regulate their OWN behavior – with the goal of not harming others, as opposed to not violating some speculative regulation.

                      Finally – even if you were right about torts – and you are not. Then fix torts. Make it easier to get into court, make it cheaper.

                      Today regulation is the biggest obstacle to torts. Complying with regulations is an affirmative defense in a tort claim – often confering absolute immunity. Courts nearly always decide that if you followed the regulations – even if that resulted in harm, you are not obligated to make those harmed whole.

                      “To an extent regulations work and they fail because political donations by deep pocketed industries bribe politicians not to do what is needed.”

                      It should be completely unsurprising that people spend money to rent power from government.

                      Free markets are ALWAYS about seeking a competitive advantage. It is not wrong for a private actor to pay to gain advantage.

                      There are only two problems with bribery. The first is that the public servant betrayed a public trust. I would never convict a private actor of bribery. I would easily convict the government official. The second is that nearly always a bribe is the means that private actors secure from govenrment what they should have been able to get either by right or competition in the market.
                      In otherwords they are nearly always the consequence of government expanded beyond reasonable limits

                      “Many of the diseases from which suffer today result from industrial pollution and from the soup of carcinogenic and and hormone mimicking chemicals in which we swim. Each chemical may be only a little bit carcinogenic or hormone mimicking but the effects of all of them at least add the effects of some groups of chemicals may multiply rather than just add.”

                      That is mostly false. All humans will get cancer if they live long enough. Some sooner others later. The differences are random chance and genetics. There are real carcinogens – many found in nature. Almost anything in a high enough dose will kill you or cause cancer or both.

                      Regardless, Torts can deal with this – and torts requires that you prove actual harm. Regulations do not.

                      “Life evolved over 500m+ years while only exposed to naturally occurring chemicals”
                      Those naturally occuring chemicals are rather harsh.

                      “but since the nineteenth century manufacturers have been introducing chemicals that look useful and that are assumed safe until after 30 years it is found that they are not.
                      Every chemical no matter how useful it appears should be tested for unexpected interactions with biology and DNA.”

                      There is no such thing as safe. EVERYTHING even water is toxic in high enough doses.

                      You note that in the past we were not exposed to unnatural things. Right up to today one of the major factors reducing life expectance is exposure to smoke. From the earliest cave men – we built fires to keep warm and cook and they made our lives better. And they reduced our life expectance. There is no chemical from the industrial era that comes close to the negative impact on human life as smoke.
                      And yet without fire we would still be in caves.

                      The problem you note is not unique to the industrial age. All that did was accelerate everything – including growth, standard of living and life expetance.

                      And as with fire – the bad comes with the good.

                      Further, much of what you presume as an entitlement – health, is not,. It is not a right, it is the reward of a higher standard of living.

                      The left is ranting today about racism in the least racist moment in US history. But they can do so because our prosperity gives them the luxury of doing so. With fire – peat, and dung and wood were rpelaced by coal – when we were proserous enough – and life expectance increased – coal is cleaner. We shifted to oil – which was more expensive – because it is cleaner than coal, and to gas and electric because they are cleaner than oil.

                      If you were transported back in time 100,000 years – you would likely die by your mid 20’s. That was life expectance then – life was Nasty, brutish and short

                      Everything you want is not a product of govnerment, it is a luxury good that comes automatically with prosperity.

                2. S. Meyer, “ However what you miss, excusable because you are Australian, is that the government created a lot of single women because they made it better financially for many not to be married.”

                  That is the most ignorant comment I’ve seen here yet.

                  “The government created a lot of single women because they made it better financially for many not to be married? Wow. How exactly does government create single women SM? Why only women? Does the government create a lot of single men too?

                  Are you implying that single women are not supposed to be single? Don’t they have personal liberty too?

                  It’s always better financially to be single. Plus these days you cannot have a single income earner in a family unless you are really well off.

                  You can’t sustain a family with only one parent earning income making less than 100,000 a year. Could it be companies not paying employees enough? Outsourcing?

                  Here’s an interesting question. Is it necessary to be married to have a kid? Marriage is actually punished by government because they are taxed higher.

                  According to the Tax Foundation, a married couple’s income may be subject to a penalty of up to 12% if they have children and up to 4% if they don’t.

                  Republicans created the marriage penalty tax in 2017. Why do they punish marriage, but complain about these single women?

                  1. “That is the most ignorant comment I’ve seen here yet.”

                    You know very little but many subsidies are provided based on income and being a single parent. If you don’t know what you are talking about don’t assume your ignorance makes what is said wrong.

                    In fact income from the state rises with each subsequent child.

                  2. “Are you implying that single women are not supposed to be single? Don’t they have personal liberty too?”
                    SM is not talking about liberty – he is talking about the opposite of liberty – laws that denied benefits to intact families but offered them to single women with children. This absolutely destroyed minority and poor families.

                    If you are a women and you wish to be single and have children – that has always been your free choice.

                    It has also always been difficult – not because some right wing evangelicals say so – but because nature made it so.

                    “It’s always better financially to be single.”
                    False. While there are a few financial penalities for married people on NET it has ALWAYS been financially beneficial to be a family.

                    “Plus these days you cannot have a single income earner in a family unless you are really well off.”
                    Of course you can in 2019 the average individual income was 51K. Only about 1% of the country earn minimum wage and nearly all of them are very young and single.

                    “You can’t sustain a family with only one parent earning income making less than 100,000 a year.”
                    Really ? You are completely nuts. The median FAMILY income in the US is 67K in 2019.

                    “Could it be companies not paying employees enough?”
                    The price of ANYTHING – including your labor is what a buyer and seller agree to.
                    There is no such thing as not paying employees enough, nor paying them too much.
                    If you wish to be paid more – produce more value.

                    “Outsourcing?” Really ?

                    How can a party that wants to import millions of poor unskilled laborers be opposed to instead sending the jobs to the labor ?

                    “Here’s an interesting question. Is it necessary to be married to have a kid? Marriage is actually punished by government because they are taxed higher.”

                    There is no requirement to be married to have children. But it is harder as most any parent will tell you.
                    There are SOME tax penalties for being married – but there are also tax benefits. On net it is dramatically financially better to be married.

                    “According to the Tax Foundation, a married couple’s income may be subject to a penalty of up to 12% if they have children and up to 4% if they don’t.”
                    Whoever you are citing is full of $chiff. Children are a tax deduction.

                    “Republicans created the marriage penalty tax in 2017.”
                    Nonsense. The so called marriage penalty has been part of the tax code longer than I have been alive.

                    Are you an actual toddler ? Because you are unbeleivably ignorant of facts. You seem to make things up from thin air.

                    According to YOUR tax foundation
                    “The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) cut individual income tax rates and doubled the standard deduction from $12,000 to $24,000 in tax year 2018, which has risen to $24,800 for tax year 2020”.
                    Reducing the so called marraige penalty – not increasing it.

                    Regardless the actual issue being raised – which you ducked is that a variety of govenrment benefits are NOT AVAILABLE to married people.

                3. It is way past time to admit that the drug war has been an abject failure.

                  Drug use in the US remains within the same narrow range it has since the 60’s – problem as it has for all of US history.
                  We have not altered drug use in the US.

                  But we have raised spending on drug prosecutions for very low levels to 1.5T/year today.

                  That is massive waste.

                  That said a Portugal like drug decriminalization – which worked incredibly well – crime dropped by 50%,
                  is probably not politically possible in the US – Neither party is going to sign on to it.

                  Even manditory minimums and draconian sentences for drug offenses though we know that they are useless – are still probably impossible to end.

                  Instead we have BLM rioting to “defund the police”.
                  Absolutely we need to refocus law enforcement – but that is NOT a police problem – politicians decide WHAT is a crime.
                  The police enforce the choices of politicians.

                  Asset forfeiture must go – it is incredibly corrupting of the police.
                  Our drug laws must go.
                  Qualified immunity must go.

                  We can debate things like better police training – but that will only take you so far.
                  The police arrest criminals. I beleive it is about 1000 every single day.
                  Many of those criminals are dangerous people. Most of them do not want arrested.

                  You can talk about training all you want. Duante Wright did not want to go to jail – and he had outstanding warrants for violent crimes and gun offenses. Better training was not going to fix anything ofc. Potter was a 26yr veteran and well trained – if you have almost 400,000 arrests a year – if 1% of those go wrong – that is 4,000 arrests a year that get violent – that is about 12 a day – and I beleive that is the actual rate. Given that 40% of all arrests – and almost 50% of all violent crime involves black perpitrators – that will still mean 5 arrests per day of a black man that go wrong – that get violent.

                  The left fixating on shootings of black men by white(or any officer that is not black) police is shooting fish in a barrel.

                  The rates of crime dictate the rates of arrest, and the proportion of arrests that go bad is going to be close to fixed.
                  The racial makeup of police and of criminals is fixed – ergo there will be pleny of whit cop arrests blackman and it goes badly every day.

                  And now with Chauvin and Potter we have jumped the shark. Atleast with Breona Taylor we had a tragic story where an innovent person was killed by the police. While there was no racism involved – and there usually isn’t, it is still tragic.

                  But Floyd was passing a bad counterfeit bill – likely for his dealer to get drugs. and then he resisted arrest and overdosed himself on 3 times the fatal dose of Fentanyl. Duante Wright resisted arrest for outstanding warrants for violent crimes.

                  The police did not make these arrests go south.

                  You can want perfect policing – but you are not going to get it.
                  We actually appear to have apprximately 3sigma policing – which is pretty damn good for a process that where every single arrest is unique and the process is entirely human. There are not robots – this is not manufacturing.

                  Every 3rd day in the US a police officer is killed in the line of duty – and every single police officer in the US hears in detail the story of every single one of these deaths. Almost all of these deaths occur in traffic stops – and the majority of those stops that turn up a violent felon with outstanding warrants.

                  There is no magical fix.

                    1. For those who mistakenly think that the drug war IS about lessening the harm from drugs it is an obvious failure . Relace the name “WAR AGAINST DRUGS” with the correct name “WAR AGAINST N I G G E R S” and it is obvious that it is working very well.

                      There has never been a time in the timeline of the USA when respectable white people have not FEARED< HATED and DESPISED Blacks. Yes this hatred is still trending down but the ratio between the effects of hatred and the underlying hatred is NON-LINEAR. A 5% decrease in hatred does not result in a 5% decrease in hatred's effects, may be 1% or less.

                      One aspect is the positive feedback effect of criminalization, the over-representation of N e g r o s in the prison population justifies the belief that they are inherently blue collar/drug criminals. Who ever heard of a black person committing a respectable crime such as embezzling $200m from shareholders?

                    2. Carlyle, I don’t think a case can be made that the US was successful in its drug war. The problem is bigger than a yes or no response. Many different things need to be dealt with before a reasonable answer can be provided.

                      Your hyperbolic language, to me, is distasteful. Contrary to what you might believe white Americans, however one defines white, mixed reasonably well with their black contemporaries residing in similar social circumstances. Relationships have continuously improved until recent years. The left’s push for color over character has reversed the direction of that positive change.

                      The black community has certain problems, but the basis for those problems today is not that white people are preventing their social status from climbing, rather leftists have done everything wrong and that has negatively affected the black population.

                    3. The leftists? Who are the leftists.?

                      And how have they disabled race relations?

                      Last time I looked the left elected a half-black vice president and a half-black president.

                      Would the right ever do such a thing?

                      Not in a million years.

                      You are a nincompoop.

                    4. “You are a nincompoop.”

                      If we dress you in a suit, tie and briefcase, that doesn’t make you anything but the same ignorant boor you already are. All that happens is you become a well dressed one.

                    5. I would never, ever, wear a suit adnd a tie and carry a briefcase.

                      Maybe a wetsuit.

                      Maybe for Halloween.

                      I travel the world, I surf, I meet people, I write about it.

                      Way more interesting than wearing a suit and a tie.

                      And you didn’t answer the query. If these “leftists” you speak of are so disruptive to race relations, how and why did they elect Obama and Harris?

                      Last time I looked those two had a fair bit of black in each of them.

                      Obama was born in Kenya for fook’s sake, and Harris grew up on the Oakland border – which might as well be Kenya.

                      Ain’t nothing blacker than that.

                      Answer? Have one ? No?

                      Nincompoop.

                      You aren’t very good at this arguing thing.

                    6. Ben, I am not interested in your fantasies and braggadocio nor your lack of manners and boorishness.

                      You say why did the left elect Obama and Harris who are both black? Both of them have set race relations back, not forward. They are looking for power and use race in any way they can. If you weren’t the fool you are you wouldn’t sound as ignorant as you do.

                      SM

                    7. Obama was born in Kenya ?

                      Are you saying his birth certificate is wrong ?

                    8. Harris is the child of an Indian mother and a Jamaican father – both were well off professionals.
                      The median income in Oakland is 82K.
                      Oakland is not Kenya. it is not Baltimore.

                      “You aren’t very good at this arguing thing. ”

                      In fact you are extremely bad.

                      I hope you are better at surfing.

                      “I would never, ever, wear a suit and a tie and carry a briefcase.”

                      Your choice, but people who did those things have changed the world for the better.

                      Have you ?

                    9. Republicans elected the first native american Vice President – a century ago.

                      Republicans appointed the first and 2nd black Sec State.

                      The first openly gay Ambassador,

                      The first 2nd and 3rd black Senators were republicans.

                      There have been a long list of republican minorites in power.

                      But that is NOT the issue.

                      Would it matter if the entire congress and executive branch were black democrats – if their policies were racist ?

                      Democratic policies – at the local, state and federal level have been and remain incredibly racist.

                      We are having a stupid fight between BLM and the police right now.

                      BLM is fighting the wrong enemy. The police enforce the law – they do not make the law.

                      The police did not make our drug laws ?
                      They did not make many of our inner cities 4311 holes.
                      They did not create the policies that destroyed minority families.

                      Republicans do not create minimum wage laws – that might as well be called guarantee that young minorities can not ever get a job.
                      And infact democrats who created those laws in the 30’s intended exactly that.

                      Our Drug laws are not especially racist – but they do heavily target the poor – and minorities are poorer then whites.

                      BLM is rioting right now because Barak Obama’s presidency did not change much for blacks.

                      Symbols are important – but virtue signalling is not.

                    10. SM – I am sorry – but you are on the wrong side of this.

                      While CM is not perfect in all her facts – they are generally correct.

                      But more important – the entire panopoly of drug laws – not just those dealing with narcotics, but all the way through the FDA are hugely Net harmful.

                      It is not even close.

                      The war on drugs has never dented drug use – not here, not anywhere. Just like Prohibition it is a massively losing battle.

                      There is a weak link between drug use and crime – but criminalizing drug use INCREASES violent crime.

                      Even with legal drugs – it cost $2B to get through the FDA’s hoops and bring a drug to market today.

                      That means NOTHING that can not create atleast $2B in profits will be developed in the US.

                      While congress has passed laws to work arround that – the FDA just ignores them.

                      Just look at C19. we had a holy war over HCQ – a drug that is OTC in most of the world, and one of the safest drugs on the market.

                      Yes, it can kill you – so can aspirin, so can water.

                      Ultimately nearly everything that was supposed to work against C19 – did not work that well. HCQ does work – but not well.
                      Remedsivir does work – but not well.

                      The only thing that has really panned out is Vitamin D – normal levels confer almost as much immunity as the vaccine,
                      and even if you get it, high VitD levels mean a milder case.

                      Further delivery of VitD analogues to infected patients dramatically increases their survival rates.

                      Regardless, Covid should have given us an excellent lesson in how screwed up government is.

                    11. SM – I am sorry – but you are on the wrong side of this.”

                      John, why am I on the wrong side of this? I’ll provide the paragraph I think you are referring to.

                      “Carlyle, I don’t think a case can be made that the US was successful in its drug war. The problem is bigger than a yes or no response. Many different things need to be dealt with before a reasonable answer can be provided.”

                    12. The regulation of individual choices – what each of us chooses to consume – food, water, drugs, is NOT the domain of government.

                      The fact that people may make bad choices is NOT a justification for infringing on the right to do so.

                      Unless a person has the right to choose badly, they do not have the right to choose.

                      Even if the elimination of all drug laws did not result in a decline in violence – which we actually know that it will,
                      Government would still be free to punish the violence, but not drug consumption.

                      Drug laws are insidiously destructive of liberty.

                      Not merely does it infringe on our liberty to consume what we please,
                      But enforcement has resulted in myriads of other losses of liberty.

                      The 4th amendment is no longer worth the paper it is printed on.
                      We have myriads of stupid laws about money.
                      Why can’t I or anyone else – even a criminal do as I please with my money ?
                      That is nonsense.

                      If a person gives me a dollar in return for a hamburger – that is my dollar to do with as I please,
                      and the fact that I acquired it by exchanging a hamburger for it, does not make that dollar the governments business.
                      If I acquire a dollar by selling drugs – it is the drugs that are the crime – not the dollar.

                      By allowing government to criinalize drug money – they have gained scrutiny of all money.
                      That is wrong.

                    13. Sorry CM – but the Drug war is not inherently racist.

                      The Crack penalty did result in a spike of blacks in prison for long sentences.
                      But slightly later the same thing happened to whites with Meth.

                      The War on drugs DOES target the poor – regardless of race.

                      I would be very happy to identify the war on drugs as “systemically racist” – but it isn’t – it is just a really bad idea.

                    14. There is no “baby” in the drug war.

                      Drug laws – ALL drug laws are not merely net negative – they are incredibly net negative.

                      I can not recall a single instance anywhere where any step towards full legalization of all drugs has not resulted in less crime.
                      Nor resulted in an increase in drug use. It typically results in a decrease of drug overdoses.

              2. Carlyle:

                Behaviors statistically proven to lead to a middle class life include waiting to have children until you are married, not doing drugs, not committing crimes, studying, and at least graduating from high school.

                It is indisputable that doing so leads to a likelihood of a middle class life.

                Not doing so indisputably leads to a likelihood of poverty, crime, and drugs.

                Instead of empowering people to learn how to improve their lives, and that of their children, the Left rushes in to explain, no, you don’t need to change anything. It’s someone else’s fault. Society, the white man, slavery from nearly 200 years ago, Jim Crow…

                Meanwhile, minorities immigrate here with nothing, operate within the same system, and within a decade outperform native born black people academically and financially.

                Don’t have kids with men who do drugs. Don’t do drugs. Wait to have kids until you are married.

                That alone would life many black people out of poverty within a single generation.

                If you want to wage war on poverty, be effective.

                1. I am a landlord – among other things.
                  My tenants are poor working class.
                  They typically do not have bank accounts, much less credit.
                  They are white, black, hispanic, …

                  I have had more problem white tenants than minorities.
                  The reasons are the issues you note.

                  White, Black whatever people fail for much the same reasons.

                  Jordan Petersen notes that the most important indicators of future success is conscienciousness.

                  When tennants destory their apartment, when they cause problems with everyone else in the building, when they can not pay,
                  when they blame everything on others

                  Do you think that I care what color they are ?

                  Even among my worst tenants – I have far more sympathy for those that try, that know they screwed up, that do not try to blame everything on others.

                2. I would note one other thing I have learned from being a landlord.

                  Some people just plain can not do any better than they are.

                  I have had several tenants with very low IQ’s. These people can not manage fairly simple jobs, they can not cope with change,
                  they are not able to get the help that is actually available to them – this is one of the huge problems with public charity.

                  Private charities go out and actually help people who can not help themselves. They seek those people out and they walk them through improving their lives as best as can be done – which often is very little.

                  Government requires people in need to come to them. It requires them to fill out massive amounts of paperwork that they are incapable of managing – even though most of us would have no problem.

                  I have a tenant right now who could have had 75% of his rent paid for the last year through Cares.
                  He could not manage the paperwork.
                  He could not manage to get the information he needed even with my help.
                  I am still trying to figure out how to get him assistance he can not get for himself.
                  I have tried to get assorted public resources to help him – they can not deal with him – his IQ is too low, and he is too difficult.

                  But he has also been an OK tenant for more than 5 years, and if he fails – if I end up evicting him – his life which is already not so hot, is going to hell.

                  So I am trying to do what I can.

                  But not only isn’t he coopertaive – in many instances it is just beyond his ability.
                  And often his difficult nature is more a reflection of anger over what he can not do for himself.

                  But I am not a charity.

              3. There are just under 50M blacks in the country.
                There are 2.5M people in prison. Of those 925000 are black.

                I would further note that the US prison population accurately reflects crime REPORTING

                37% of the prison population is black.
                about 45% of all reported crimed are committed by black perpitrators – where the race of the perpitrator is known.
                Crimes are typically reported by their victims.

                This pattern continues with the actual statistics of the commission of violent crimes.
                Blacks are the victims of approximately 50% of all murders. Blacks are the perpetrators of about 50% of all murders.

                If you wish to argue that the US should end the war on drugs – I will be happy to join you.
                But in the end, that will not significantly alter the prison population or its mix.

                It will just shift policing to prosecution of violent crimes rather than drug crimes.

                If you want to reduce the proportion of single mothers – we know how to do that.

                Encourage children to complete high school.
                Encourage them to avoid committing crimes. Ending the war on drugs will reduce crime – it will not eliminate it.
                Encourage them to get a job – ANY job, even crappy minimum wage jobs.
                Encourage them not to have kids before they are adults, before they complete school, before they get a job and before they get married.

                Those kids – regardless of race and regardless of the economic class they start in, who manage the above will successfully end up in the middle class as adults.

              4. I suspect you could get a strong majority of people to admit the war on drugs has been an abject failure.

                Drug Use as a percent of the population has remained unchanged over my entire life time.
                But we now spend 1.5T/year on drug law enforcement – that money is essentially wasted.

                Unfortunately I doubt you could get much support for what we know works – a Portugal like program of near complete decriminalization.
                That did result in a 50% drop in violent crime. But it did NOT result in a significant change in drug use or addiction.

                Today it might be possible to get the federal government entirely out of Marijuana – and allow states to do as they wished.

                But the odds of your getting either republicans or democrats – or even a majority of both to support full federal decriminalization is zero.

                I would also note that while the enforcement of our drug laws is problematic – the aggressive policing that BLM and the left is currently at war with – WORKED – particularly where it was focused on jailing already convicted felons possessing weapons.

                Crime rates have dropped dramatically since the late 80’s. Though you would not know it from the news – the rate of killings by police, killing of police and just murder in general are way down.

                Today the news was about a black man who shot several people in a grocery store in long island.
                This was national news. There are details missing as I write this – but it appears this was just the armed robbery of a grocery store.

                Since when is an armed robbery of a long island grocery store with 2 people dead nationwide news ?

                It is news because prior to the 2020 Defund the police riots – crime was way down. The less crime there is the farther afield you have to go to find crime.
                It is also news because increasingly the media is trying to push an agenda regarding guns.
                Pretending that every drive by in chicago or grocery store robbery in long island is a mass murder is one way of doing that.

                20 times as many children under 6 per year die of drowning in a poll as people die in mass shootings in the US.

        2. Anonymous:

          All you did was post an article calling gun violence a public health epidemic. Why not riots? Looting? After all, those cause injuries and poverty, which will lead to poor nutrition.

          You have not explained why crime is a matter of public health. Why should government entities tasked with dealing with nutrition and disease foray into crime?

          Clearly, those institutions need to focus on their mandate. The CDC failed miserably at producing an accurate Covid test. It was placed upon the shoulders of private industry to develop the tests critical to battling the pandemic.

          Maybe the NIH and CDC should spend more time developing responses to outbreaks and less time getting monkeys drunk or quail high on cocaine.

          “pub·lic health

          noun: public health
          the health of the population as a whole, especially as the subject of government regulation and support.
          “chlorine has been used to disinfect water supplies to protect public health”
          the branch of medicine dealing with public health, including hygiene, epidemiology, and disease prevention.
          “these diseases are of great interest in the field of public health””

    2. Forget it. You and the government are NOT taking our guns no matter how many sob stories you spew. You see if we let you, then you’ll subjugate us and we know it and the guns are the only thing stopping the panty-waist Marxists. So no way, no go, no how will you get anything that protects us from you away from us. Count on it.

        1. Since 1860, you communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs) have abrogated every other aspect of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

          You communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs) have absolutely, completely, unconstitutionally, directly and manifestly violated the Constitution and infringed on the 2nd Amendment with the support of the treasonous Supreme Court in many states, if not all, with glaring and unconscionable impunity.

          How ’bout we just say, “What the —-!” and finally grasp that it’s long past time to take our country back?

          Illegal deportation is as legal and moral as illegal importation.

          Illegal emigration is as legal and moral as illegal immigration.

          The tide rolls in, the tide rolls out.

          It’s time for the roll out; long past time.

          Rational and coherent people are compelled to agree.
          __________________________________________

          But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

          – Declaration of Independence, 1776

      1. Wrong. Biden is reminding America what vision and leadership are all about. The infrastructure and jobs proposal is true MAGA.

        Did Trump propose or attempt anything like this?

        What did Trump actually accomplish, except for walking around wearing a stupid red hat?

        Nothing other than playing the fiddle and arguing with Fauci while America burned.

        Republicans screw it up. Democrats clean it up.

        Obama came in after Bush43 brought the country to its knees, and set the table, only for Trump to come in and s#I+ all over the table and make an even bigger mess than Bush43.

        Now Biden has to re-set the table.

        Pulling out of Afghanistan = great idea.

        The dumbest 50% of America had their ideal Vulgarian Candidate for four years with the expected result: Economic, humanitarian and constitutional catastrophe.

        The dumbasses had their time, and that time is up, and now Biden and Team are going to lead America kicking and screaming into the 21st Century.

        You’re an embarrassment. No American should be that dumb.

        Click here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8v0TXRTu4E

        1. “Pulling out of Afghanistan = great idea.”

          Agreed. It was Trump’s. Biden just delayed the date from May to September 11 – a stupid move.

          1. If it was Trump’s idea, why didn’t he act on it?

            He had four years.

            Because Trump was and is a blowhard: All talk.

            If Trump was the China-hating deal-maker he claimed to be, he could have – with the swipe of a pen – eliminated the $1 trillion in American debt held by China as damages and compensation for the bat-eaters who launched Coronavirus.

            And he would have encouraged all other China debtor-nations to do the same .

            Because what do you think the total damages from Coronavirus will be? Hundreds of trillions? A quadrillion?

            No, Trump didn’t do anything because he was and is a flatulent blowhard.

            A conman who couldn’t con his way out of a pandemic.

            Afghanistan, right.

            Trump couldn’t find Afghanistan on a map with both hands.

            September 11 is soon enough and not soon enough.

            A complete waste of time and money.

            1. “In an interview with ABC’s Good Morning America that aired Wednesday, President Joe Biden said the U.S. may miss former President Donald Trump’s “tough” May 1 deadline to pull all U.S. troops out of Afghanistan.

              “I’m in the process of making that decision now as to [WHEN] they’ll leave,” Biden told ABC host George Stephanopoulos. “The fact is that, that was not a very solidly negotiated deal that the president — the former president —worked out. And so we’re in consultation with our allies as well as the government, and that decision’s going to be — it’s in process now.” [Biden LIES, again. Trump admin had negotiated a withdrawal PLAN]

              Throughout the 2020 presidential campaign season, Trump pushed his plans to bring the final U.S. troops home from a nearly 20-year war, and even said the troops should be home by Christmas. During the campaign season, Biden said he opposed “unnecessary, endless wars” but did not commit to specific withdrawal plans and said some U.S. presence should remain in the region for counterterrorism operations.

              In exchange for the U.S. troop withdrawal, the Taliban was expected to commit to reducing violence in the country, cutting off ties with terrorist groups like Al Qaeda, and meeting with the Afghan government for intra-Afghan peace negotiations. While violence against U.S. troops in the country has ceased, Taliban forces have continued to attacks on the Afghan government and peace negotiations between the two sides have seen delays and disagreements.”

              1. Lets be clear.

                The Taliban is unlikely to keep any agreement.

                The US is unlikely to send troops back in because they do not.

                Nor is it our business. Afghanistan belongs to the afghani people.

                The ONLY legitimate demand the US can make is that they do not commit acts of war against the US or protect those who do.

                It was wrong for Bush to engage int he nation building he opposed as a candidate.
                Invading Afghanistan was justified.
                Staying was not.
                It is not our country.

                It was wrong for Obama not to leave – unilaterally.
                It was wrong for Trump not to leave – unilatterally.
                It is wrong for Biden not to leave – unilaterally.

                We have had no interest in Afghanistan since 2003.

                The left does not understand this – the US governments role is NOT to tight every wrong – not in the US, not in the world.

                It is not the US governments role to protect people from their own choice to use drugs.
                It is not the US governments role to protect the Afghani people from their own poor choice in government.

                There is only one way Afghanistan will get good government – that is if the afghani people choose that.

            2. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/us-likely-afghanistan-force-ensure-213138777.html

              “Biden announced Wednesday that the U.S. would pull all of its more than 2,500 troops out of Afghanistan by Sept. 11 — the 20th anniversary of the al-Qaida terror attack on the U.S. that had triggered the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan. NATO announced it would follow the same timetable for withdrawing more than 7,000 allied forces.

              The president’s decision defies a May 1 withdrawal deadline that was agreed to by the Trump administration as part of a peace agreement with the Taliban. Instead, Biden said that the U.S. withdrawal would begin on May 1.”

              Let’s repeat that key part:

              The president’s (Biden) decision defies a May 1 withdrawal deadline that was agreed to by the Trump administration as part of a peace agreement with the Taliban. Instead, Biden said that the U.S. withdrawal would begin on May 1.”

              1. Biden instead said they would “begin” withdrawing on May 1 but would pull all troops out on 9/11.

                Announcing 911 as the date to withdraw all US troops. 9/11? Who thought THAT was a good idea? Joe Biden, of course.

                1. 9/11 is symbolic because most of the involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq has been payback for 9/11.

                  In fact, 9/11 may have been designed to do exactly what it did: Pearl Harbor America into expensive, wasteful, costly wars of revenge that cost America $10 billion a month, thousands of lives and tens of thousands of injured flooding the VA and divided the country like Vietnam – until Obama took office, saw what a waste of time it all was, assassinated bin Laden to satisfy the bloodlust for revenge and then withdrew troops as much as he could.

                  So yes, 9/11 is symbolic and a good call.

                  Biden gets it, even if you don’t.

                    1. He’s president of the United States schmucko, and he’s kicking ass: Infrastructure and jobs, overseeing the vaccine distribution, pulling out of Afghanistan.

                      Biden might be feeble but his team are the Best and the Brightest.

                      Cleaning up the mess left behind by Trump.

                      You’re an anonymous voice on a website.

                      A Trumper. A moron.

                    2. “He’s president of the United States schmucko,”

                      In the most lawless election the US has ever had.

                      “and he’s kicking ass:”
                      Only his own.

                      “Infrastructure and jobs”
                      Federal infrastructure was an incredibly stupid idea when Trump proposed it.
                      Biden’s is worse.

                      Jobs; are not created by government.

                      “overseeing the vaccine distribution”
                      SO FAR he is following Trump’s plan exactly.

                      But vacination numbers are declining, and death rates remain near 2000 a day.

                      I am not going to fault Biden – because nothing would be different under Trump.
                      Except that you are the press would be ranting.

                      The FACT is that government can do little to fight C19.
                      Vaccinations are our best shot.
                      They will ultimately reduce deaths and infections – IF we can kill C19 off before vacine resistant strains emerge or immunity wears off.

                      If not, it is with us forever.

                      “pulling out of Afghanistan.”
                      He has not done that.
                      In fact he has stalled on that.

                      “Biden might be feeble but his team are the Best and the Brightest.”
                      Biden is feeble, and his “teams” are clueless.

                      “Cleaning up the mess left behind by Trump.”
                      What mess ?

                      In less than 100 days Biden now has 1/3 of all C19 deaths during his watch.
                      His average deaths per day is nearly twice Trump’s.
                      There are far more daily cases today than last april under Trump at the peak of the first wave.

                      Whatever our border problems under Trump they are now several times worse under Biden.

                      We are much closer to wars involving China and Russia than just a few months ago.

                      We have lost influence and prestige accross the world.

                      We are looking to strike a deal with terrorists.

                      Violent crime continues to rise.

                      What is it that you think is better ?

                    3. Apparently Biden is witholding 150M in aide to Ukraine – while Russia is on their doorstep, to blackmail them into ending investigations into his and Hunter Biden’s actions.

                      Didn’t democrats just impeach Trump for far less egregious actions than that ?

                    4. Joe Biden is “withholding $150 million in aid from Ukraine” to “pressure Ukraine to drop all criminal investigations into him and his son, Hunter.”’ TRUE

                      And (from the fact check)… “Here’s why: A Donald Trump ally who pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI in the investigation”

                      The proof provided is based on a false prosecution where a guilty plea for days was better then fighting a corrupt FBI for years and being bankrupted in the process. Since then the FBI reports demonstrated Papadopoulos was wrongfully prosecuted. The so called fact checkers that are actually those that spin the truth and lie.

                    5. 12/20/2020

                      “The Ukraine has released a one hour long video of a press conference confirming that Joe Biden committed tax-evasion in their country stating that they want their money back.

                      During the press conference, multiple witnesses were interviewed and bank records were released confirming the information.”

                      A few weeks earlier Ukraine confirmed in a press conference that Joe Biden was being investigated for Bribery.

                      The lame stream news apparently pays no attention to government press conferences in the Ukraine.
                      I guess no one at politifact speaks Ukrainian.

                    6. “John Solomon is a right wing shill who is full of beans.”

                      Ben, you have already proven yourself to be an ignorant, arrogant fool. You can stop now. You have proven that point enough.

                    7. Ben you need to grow up.

                      John Solomon is one of very few decent award winning investigative reporters left in the media.

                      But it would not matter if he was Hitler.

                      What he has reported is TRUE. It is backed up in this case by recordings. But also by documents.
                      Some from Ukraine. Some from the US.

                      A great deal of the evidence of the crimes of the Biden’s in Ukaine comes from US state department documents obtained through FOIA requests.

                      Do you beleive the US state department under Obama was a bunch of right wing shills ? Or that it was rife with Russian spies ?

                      Do you beleive the communications between Hunter Biden’s law firm and the US state department are manufactured russian disinformation ?

                      What of those from the Vice Presidents office itself ?’

                      While the Biden’s are not the worst crime family in the US government – not even close.

                      They still sold public office for personal gain.

                      Something you have accused Trump repeatedly of – without any evidence at all.
                      But refuse to see with Biden, when there is truck loads of evidence.

                      Joe Biden was for sale. As a Senator, as a Vice president.
                      Even today – he sold his soul – if he has one, for the presidency.
                      And now he is selling the presidency to those who paid for it.

                    8. Ben, we understand you correctly. In Biden you find hist top traits similar to your own. He is ignorant and foolish. He has always been that way. In Biden’s case, senility substitutes for arrogance. I guess what could relate some of his racist comments is your comment, “To wit: STFU.”.

                    9. Biden is president of the United States and he is kicking ass doing the job right, cleaning up the mess left behind by your village idiot and leading America into the future.

                      You’re too dumb to recognize that, but you’re just some anonymous prole from some anonymous cul de sac in an anonymous, backward red state, still in mourning for Trump.

                      Thank God America woke up and came to its senses.

                      Why don’t you go raid a Capitol building or do something else equally stupid?

                    10. “Biden is president of the United States”

                      Who is actually running the country is unknown.

                      Almost all your arguments have been proven wrong. You demonstrate the ignorance of your points by not being able to discuss the issues and demonstrate even minimal degree of credibility. Instead you run away, curse and repeat the same errors over and over again. That is the height of stupidity but you are too arrogant and dumb to change. We accept you for what you are and thank God when our children turn out to thrive intellectually. Everyone worries they might be gifted with an ignorant fool like you. However ignorance can be overcome barring the arrogance.

                    11. No you’re just a dumb prole stuck in some glacial backward impoverished Red State in mourning your idiot president. You had your four years. Why don’t you go raid a Capitol building or something?

                    12. Ben, once again you demonstrate no argument or anything of value.

                      Keep it up. I want to make sure the dumbest of the dumb recognize how foolish you are.

                    13. Oh I make lots of good arguments but it’s a waste of time.

                      Pearls before swine.

                      The dumbest 50% of America had their idiot president for 4 years and now they’re in mourning.

                      Trump was the vulgarian candidate.

                      Biden is the intellectual candidate

                      . It takes a PhD to appreciate the complexities of what Biden has to deal with but you people can’t barely spell PhD can you?

                    14. “Oh I make lots of good arguments but it’s a waste of time.”

                      Almost every one of your arguments has been refuted one after the other based on excellent knowledge sources.

                      John Say did you in completely. He has a good memory for detai. Go back to any of his point by point debates with you and take his points one by one. Show us how you can defend your own ideas. I have no doubt in a bar you can defend yourself whether you are wrong or right. However here we are not judging the muscles of your arms or legs. We are addressing the ability of your brain to adequately record and discuss facts. When dealing with these things you fail miserably.

                    15. John Say is senile and wrong and so are you.

                      He thinks we should do away with the FDA and the CIA.

                      That’s just stupid.

                      He said the median income of Oakland was $84,000. It’s not.

                      And it definitely wasn’t when Kamala Harris was growing up there.

                      There’s something seriously wrong with him.

                      And for you for following him.

                      I think you both are old.

                      Definitely a waste of time but you can learn a lot by arguing with people who don’t have their facts straight.

                    16. So far you haven’t refuted any facts of John Say, because you can’t. Did you give an alternative income for Oakland? No, you just regurgitated the same garbage you write each time.

                      I don’t know the median or the mean income of Oakland, but if John provided a number, it is likely based on a good statistical source. You provide nothing but yesterday’s vomit mopped up from the floor where you had your last bar fight.

                    17. Here is one source – I was able to easily find many.
                      Most get their data from the US census.

                      There is lots of data available.

                      The media property value in Oakland is $3/4M

                      It is clear that Ben has a carciture of oakland.

                      There are certainly poor parts of oakland – that does not make Oakland poor.

                      Harris did not come from poverty. She came from an upper middle class home with two professional parents.

                      There is nothing wrong with that. But lying about it is wrong.

                      http://www.city-data.com/income/income-Oakland-California.html

                    18. “He thinks we should do away with the FDA and the CIA.”
                      I have the support of the fundimentals of economics, many economists, and many doctors,
                      as well as Harry Truman – the president that created the CIA.

                      BTW I would eliminate more than these.
                      For most of US history we did not have nearly all the current federal agencies – and we did fine.

                      Can you demonstrate – with data, that any of these agencies – pr any of the regulations they have imposed have done any good ?

                      You ranted about Trump – who was the most deregulatory president since Jimmy Carter – can you show again by data, how the Regulations that Trump eliminated harmed us ?

                      Was there an increase in deaths from water pollution or air pollution or bad food or workplace deaths ?

                      “That’s just stupid.”
                      I would bet that neither you nor anyone else can demonstrate with actual data that any of your vaunted regulations ever actually benefited anyone. Show me a single modern law that disrupted a pre-existing trend.

                      “He said the median income of Oakland was $84,000. It’s not.”
                      If I said it – I have data to back it up.

                      “And it definitely wasn’t when Kamala Harris was growing up there.”
                      Median incomes throughout the US have doubled over Harris’s lifetime.

                      Regardless, the Harris family was ALWAYS upper middle class.

                      “There’s something seriously wrong with him.”
                      I am unwilling to impose force on others without FACTS to justify my actions.
                      That is unfortunately uncommon.

                      “And for you for following him.
                      I think you both are old.”

                      Odd argument. So people with knowledge and experience should be ignored ?

                      I strongly suspect you are young and abysmally educated.
                      Regardless, the value of what you say is still measured by facts, logic and reason, not your age and lack of experience.

                      “Definitely a waste of time but you can learn a lot by arguing with people who don’t have their facts straight.”
                      Which facts have I got wrong ?

                      The only facts I do not check before posting are those I have checked dozens of times before and “know by heart”.
                      Everything I claim as a fact has a credible source.

                      how about you ? You have not cited actual facts. Merely claimed “your wrong”.

                      Do you have actual facts to back up anything you have said ?

                      Can you make a valid argument using facts, logic, and reason ?

                    19. See? Here’s your idiot ex-president. The wannabe dictator, praising an enemy and insulting an ally.

                      Trump is a moron. Thank God he’s gone.

                      Hopefully he goes to prison.

                      newsweek.com/trump-says-he-likes-north-koreas-kim-calls-south-korea-president-moon-weak-1586147?utm_source=pushnami&utm_medium=Push_Notifications&utm_campaign=automatic&UTM=1619374763905

                    20. “See? Here’s your idiot ex-president. The wannabe dictator, praising an enemy and insulting an ally.”

                      And what is your evidence that he is wrong ?

                      Are all Allies strong ? Would you prefer that we kill all our enemies ? Or that we figure out how to work with them.

                      You say Trump was a Wannabe Dictator – How so ? In what way did Trump reduce your freedom over the 4 years he was president ?

                      I can cite a dozen ways Biden has in the 100 days he has been president.

                      You do not seem to know what words like dictator mean.

                      You seem to think that you can defame your enemies and praise your friends saying whatever you please – that truth does not matter.

                      I do not know if Kim was someone that could be worked with or if Moon was weak.
                      Nor do you.

                      I do know that Biden is weak – that is what is driving the rise of conflict in the world.

                    21. Recently a recording of the Irainian foreign minister telling others that Kerry had told him of 200 instances in which Israel interfered with Iranian actions in Syria was leaked.

                      The recording itself is nearly certainly genuine. What is not known is whether it is true.
                      If it is correct – either Kerry acted without Biden’s authorization in providing Iran this information – and therefore committed a federal crime as the information is with absolute certainty classified. Or Biden authorized it – and should be judged accordingly.

                      You spoke of Trump criticising Allies. Few countries are a more dependable US ally than Israel. Unfortunately the US is not much of an ally to Israel. Regardless, If Biden permitted Kerry to provide Iran with information that harmed Israel – he also harmed the US,

                      It is also possible that the Iranian foreign minister was lying on the recording. That this is just Iranian disinformation.
                      But even that has meaning. It means that Iran thinks that Biden is weak and guilible. that Iran thinks it can drive a wedge between the US and Israel.

                      And they are correct – Biden is weak and guilible, and that is dangerous.

                      US military analysts beleive that Xi will try to invade Tiawan within the next 6 years – more likely Sooner than later.

                      With Biden’s inauguration beligerant countries accross the planet have become more aggressive – Iran, Russia, China are all acting more aggressively than under Trump. They do not seem to think that Biden will act.

                      Even if they are wrong – that is dangerous for all of us.

                      We do not want Russia to attack Ukraine. We do not want China to attack Tiawan or Japan or any of its neighbors.
                      We do not want Iran to foment terrorism – or attack our warships – as they are doing right now.

                      The objective is NOT for Biden to prove he is strong (if we are lucky) when some crisis happens – but for a crisis not to occur because foreign leaders KNOW the president will act.

                    22. “Oh I make lots of good arguments but it’s a waste of time.”

                      No, Ben you do not. Frankly your arguments are poor and self contradicatory even by the low standards of lefties.

                      “Pearls before swine.
                      The dumbest 50% of America had their idiot president for 4 years and now they’re in mourning.
                      Trump was the vulgarian candidate.”

                      This is an argument ?

                      “Biden is the intellectual candidate”
                      Really ?

                      “It takes a PhD to appreciate the complexities of what Biden has to deal with but you people can’t barely spell PhD can you?”

                      If Biden is the result of PhD’s – then save us all from PhD’s.

                      I would say “Intellectual Yet Idiot”.

                      But the Biden admin – and your arguments are just idiocy – no intellect at all.

                    23. “No you’re just a dumb prole stuck in some glacial backward impoverished Red State in mourning your idiot president. You had your four years. Why don’t you go raid a Capitol building or something?”

                      This is not an argument.

                      Do you honestly think that this mindless dribble – that bombing people with ill conceived insults gets you anywhere.

                      You have claimed 50% of the country is retarded.

                      Retarded or not – you have to live with them. Insulting them is not very wise.

                      These people grow your food, they fix your car, they produce the energy you use.

                      These are the people who protect you from violent crime.

                      They can do without their iphones far longer than you can do without food and water.

                      Why is it that you think pissing on people who do not agree with you is wise ?

                    24. “Biden is president of the United States and he is kicking ass doing the job right, cleaning up the mess left behind by your village idiot and leading America into the future.”

                      He is ?

                      How so ?

                      You say Biden has taken a hard line about China. Great – how is that leadership ?
                      Trump has been taking a hard line with China for decades.

                      If what you say is correct – Xiden is FOLLOWING not leading.

                      The same is true of Putin and Russia.

                      You left wing nuts wasted barrels of ink pretending that Trump was kowtowing to Russia.
                      How ? By giving Ukraine arms rather than blankets ? Biden – like Obama is back to holding Ukrianian aide hostage – for personal gain.
                      By securing European energy supplies so that Europe could stand up to Russia and The mideast ?

                      Both Russia and the mideast are in Europes back door. It is in THEIR interests much more than hours to contain Russia and the mid east.
                      And Trump gave them the power to do so as THEY choose – and they did.

                      By releasing the Fracken so that the US was energy independent – so that no country could blackmail us over energy ?

                      Russia’s economy has been in the dumps for years. They are and have been in the midst of a depression.

                      “You’re too dumb to recognize that, but you’re just some anonymous prole from some anonymous cul de sac in an anonymous, backward red state, still in mourning for Trump.”

                      A long list of insults without substance. Make actual arguments with FACTS, Logic, Reason.
                      Not name calling and other stupid fallacies.

                      It appears that you have never learned critical thinking.

                      Frankly I have seen few on the left who think so poorly and self contradictorily as you.

                      Read your own writing, you can rarely avoid self contradiction within a few sentences.

                      “Why don’t you go raid a Capitol building or do something else equally stupid?”

                      Again leftist nonsense.

                      Myriads of democratic interests groups have a long history of protest, free speech, petitioning govenrment AT both the US and state capitals.
                      Sometimes that protest is peaceful. Sometimes it is violent.

                      But the left has said and done nothing about it – until Jan. 6. When there was a small possibility that protestors would thwart Biden’s coronation as a consequence of a lawless election.

                      Right now we have audits of the election in NV and AZ going on, that Democrats have fought tooth and nail.

                      They have used such unethical tactics as hiring a lawyer that was a former clerk for one of the judges – forcing the judge to recuse himself – this only buying a few days – as the NV supreme court has already ruled that the Audit must be allowed to continue.

                      Now the claim is that the multiple firms doing the audits – audits that are being done publicly. Audits that are being live streamed should you wish to observe, well the auditors are racist white supremecists. The evidence ? Nothing. Zip, Nada.

                      These are firms that have done actual audits of businesses and financial transactions, and even elections accross the country.
                      They are meticulous. They know how to detect forgeries. They know how to detect counting the same ballot or ballots multiple times.

                      Why are democrats so afraid of this ?

                      If they produce findings that you do not like – are you going to report them ? Are you going to listen ?

                      You have ranted and raved not only that there was nothing wrong with this election, but that there is no fraud in any election.

                      Blind to the fact that election fraud has been arround forever, and that it is in this countries DNA.

                      The reason that 28 states have constituional amendments requiring secret ballots is that during the 19th century buying and coercing votes was rampant.

                      As a result of Bush’s Helping America Vote law – thousands of mechanical voting machines were retired just about every single one was found to have gears filed and other modificiations to rig the vote. And these machines were used for decades AFTER they had been rigged.
                      Effecting decades of elections.

                      It is well known and well documented that LBJ won his first Senate election by stuffing ballots with 80,000 fraudulent ballots.

                      Election fraud is very real. And the easier you make it the more prevelant it will be.

                      Election fraud can be reduced – possibly even stopped – but not by wishing it away.

                      I have no idea whether the NV and AZ audits will demonstrate massive fraud.
                      I have no doubt they will demonstrate that our elections are conducted very badly.

                    25. “STFU” – exactly what i would expect from an idiot arrogant tyranical lefty.

                      “If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.”

                      ― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

                  1. “Biden might be feeble but his team are the Best and the Brightest.”

                    Sorry, but not true. Tony Blinken so far is really bad at the job of secretary of state. Hillary was bad. Kerry was awful.
                    This guy Blinken is weak and – very “amateur” just like his guitar playing. Look at the bio he has on his official twitter page. Just embarrassing.

                    On and on we can go….

                    1. Blinken did a good job of insulting the Chinese and making them lose their cool in Alaska.

                      The Chinese are all about protocol and decorum but they responded to Blinken’s opening remarks by rambling on for 20 minutes and breaking all rules of protocol and decorum.

                      Advantage Blinken.

                      Although I wonder why Blinken and the world haven’t held China responsible for Coronavirus and demanded damages and reparations.

                      Kerry and Hillary both did good jobs as Secretary of State.

                      IT takes a PhD to understand the complexities, but I doubt you can actually spell PhD can you?

                    2. “Blinken did a good job of insulting the Chinese and making them lose their cool in Alaska.

                      The Chinese are all about protocol and decorum but they responded to Blinken’s opening remarks by rambling on for 20 minutes and breaking all rules of protocol and decorum.

                      Advantage Blinken.”

                      Really ?

                      You can not make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

                      Alaska was a disaster. China demonstrated that they have Zero respect or fear of for Biden.

                      Blinken is a poor Sec. State – but the fundimental problem is that Biden is not even a paper tiger – he is just paper.

                      Neither Putin nor Xi respects or fears him.

                      And that is very dangerous. the less they fear Biden the more likely they are to do something very danageorus.

                      Putin already made serious incursions into the Ukraine.
                      And Biden responded by backing down and keeping US warships out of the Black Sea.

                      Xi has been sabre rattling with Japan, and Taiwan.

                      The odds of Xi attacking Taiwan are about double this time last year.

                      Weak presidents provoke conflicts.

                      Iran is walking all over Biden – as is the Taliban.

                      “Kerry and Hillary both did good jobs as Secretary of State.”
                      Repeat over and over until you beleive it.

                      “IT takes a PhD to understand the complexities, but I doubt you can actually spell PhD can you?”

                      Actually it takes a PHd to really F it up.

                      We already know that people – no matter how educated make abysmally poor decisions unless they have “skin in the game”.
                      Unless good decisions result in personal gain and poor ones personal loss.

                      Even low IQ people do better – often better than High IQ people – when they have skin in the game.

                      This is a major reason leftist government fails.

                  2. “Blinken did a good job of insulting the Chinese and making them lose their cool in Alaska.

                    The Chinese are all about protocol and decorum but they responded to Blinken’s opening remarks by rambling on for 20 minutes and breaking all rules of protocol and decorum.

                    Advantage Blinken.”

                    Hahahahaha. Yeah, no. It was the Chinese who INSULTED and dissed us.

                    As the Brits would say, it was a bloody mess. Tony Blinken got played by the Chinese. He looked weak and out of his league as the Chinese sat there and mocked the United States to our face, on US soil. We got rolled in front of the world. Blinken has no credibility going forward.

                  3. It is symbolic. And that is precisely why it is a BAD choice.

                    Biden can not prevent something bad from occuring then – and that will make him look like a fool.

                    He MIGHT get lucky and have an uneventful day. That will NOT be viewed as some symbolic victory.
                    But if it is not a quiet day it will be a symbolic defeat.

                    Libya happened on 9/11 – do you think that is just a coincidence ?
                    That it was a spontaneous protest to an internet video ?’

                    I honestly hope we are out by 9/11 and I will give Biden weak Kudos if he succeeds.

                    But I will bet money we will not be, and that it will not be a good day.

                  4. Biden doesn’t ‘get’ much of anything. He does what he is told to do. He says what he is told to say. And they hope to god he doesn’t wander ‘off script.’

                    Here he is during his climate video meeting telling head of Navaho Nation to ‘let my wife come home.’

                    Is this meant to be funny? Heartwarming? It sounds like desperation from a man who is losing his mind and needs his wife, his ‘handler’, back by his side. Waa waah, I miss my wife. Biden displays his weakness and feebleness before the world, yet again.

                    The whole world can see it is Bizarro world going on in Biden’s head.

                    https://rumble.com/vg13fx-let-my-wife-come-home-joe-biden-goes-on-awkward-and-bizarre-tangent-during-.html?mref=23gga&mc=8uxj1

              2. Trump had four years and an observant Congress to get that done.

                He didn’t get it done, like he didn’t get anything done.

                Why?

                Because he’s a charlatan and a fraud and one of the biggest mistakes America has ever mad.

                Similar to Hitler in a way, as that was the biggest mistake Germany ever made.

                Whatever. He’s gone.

                I trust Biden’s judgment a lot more than Trump’s, because Trump didn’t have any.

                A flatulent old pussy grabber with one foot in the grave.

                1. Trump was right about almost everything.

                  The news is fake and biased and the polls are wrong too.

                  Biden does not have the approval they want you to believe he does. Trump had higher approval numbers than they want you to know.

                  “NEW: Pew Research Center poll finds President Biden’s job approval rating to be 59%

                  The poll over-sampled Democrats by 30 points

                  Of those surveyed, Democrats made up 65.5% and Republicans made up 34.5%”

                  1. Trump got voted out after one term and you have to be a complete screwup to pull that one off.

                    He lost by 8 million votes or something like that.

                    Trump is a fraud and a charlatan who slithered into the presidency only because Americans didn’t like or trust Hillary.

                    Given a satisfactory alternative, Americans voted him out by a landslide.

                    Trump was a huge mistake.

                    All presidents face some kind of crisis: World War I, the Depression, Vietnam, 9/11 and how they respond to that crisis is indicative of their leadership.

                    Trump failed America. 100%. Didn’t have a clue.

                    1. You need to add to your repertoire. What else ya got stored upstairs in that repository of all human stupidity you call your brain?

                    2. It takes a PhD to understand all, this, but you struggle to spell PhD, don’t you?

                      Trump got voted out after one term because he’s a fraud and a charlatan.

                      The dumbest 50% of America had their Vulgarian Candidate for four years, with the expected result.

                      Republicans screw it up. Democrats clean it up.

                    3. “The dumbest 50% of America had their Vulgarian Candidate”

                      Keep saying that – and watch how quickly you end up under the “dumbest 50%” thumb.

                      I would note the “dumbest 50%” Do not beleive that

                      Walls do not work.
                      lockdowns work
                      Defunding police works
                      The way to end discrimination is to discriminate

                      And on and on.

                      The purported smartest people in the country – beleive the dumbest things.

                      And BTW Benjamin – you are most definitely in the dumbest 50% of america.

                    4. “Keep saying that – and watch how quickly you end up under the “dumbest 50%” thumb.”

                      John, point by point you are eviscerating Benjamin / Benjamin Michael Marcus. He is a loon who states whatever he likes and generally what he states is untrue or out of context. As you correct his garbage I don’t think he will try and debate you with facts. He seems to share the brains with another commenter with a completely different name and set of aliases. That other commenter is not Anonymous the Stupid. It really doesn’t matter because you are proving him stupid no matter what alias he uses.

                      Good job here and in more than a dozen other places.

                    5. “You need to add to your repertoire. What else ya got stored upstairs in that repository of all human stupidity you call your brain?”

                      In what world do you consider this an argument ?

                      Have you demonstrated actual error ?

                      Have you even demonstrated whatever it is you take issue with ?

                      You might as well be lobbing accusations of Pedophilia at people you know nothing about – you have offered about as much evidence.

                      If you want me to take you seriously – make an argument.

                      If you want people who can think and value facts, logic, reason to take you seriously – make an argument.

                    6. “Trump got voted out after one term and you have to be a complete screwup to pull that one off.”
                      He did ? We know that everyone who voted for Trump is a real person eleigable to vote.
                      Can you say that about Biden ? Nope.

                      “He lost by 8 million votes or something like that.”
                      No he lost by 45,000 votes. That is what it takes to flip the EC.
                      Further the senate would have remained republican but for a few thousand votes in a state with a lawless election.
                      And would have been signficant republican gains with a few thousand more.
                      The house would have flipped republican with only a few thousand more votes.

                      90,000 votes would have given the GOP much stronger control of ALL of government than democrats have now.

                      “Trump is a fraud”
                      No that would be the banana republic election.

                      “who slithered into the presidency only because Americans didn’t like or trust Hillary.”
                      So ?

                      “Given a satisfactory alternative, Americans voted him out by a landslide.”
                      Nope. biden is not satisfacotry, nor was this a landslide.
                      .

                      “All presidents face some kind of crisis: World War I, the Depression, Vietnam, 9/11 and how they respond to that crisis is indicative of their leadership.

                      Trump failed America. 100%. Didn’t have a clue.”

                      If you are speaking of Covid – then Biden is already a disaster.

                      Biden has two advantages over Trump regarding Covid.

                      First is that we have mostly ceased the stupidity of locking the country down.

                      During 2020 Democrats deliberately destroyed the economies of their own states to get rid of Trump.
                      That is not merely immoral that is evil.

                      Lock the country down again now – watch the economy tank by 1/3 an see if the barbed wire at the capital stops protestors from hanging all democrats.

                      The 2nd is that Trump left Biden with a vaccine.
                      And so far Biden is blowing that.
                      Yesterdays deaths were almost 2000,
                      Double Trumps average.

                  1. A wife-cheating, sad-stripper-shtupping, student-defrauding, charity-stealing, tax-evading, draft-dodging, soldier-insulting, multi-bankrupt obese, flatulent, charlatan and fraud.

                    Trump is the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man X an Oompa Loompa – all the dumb, evil energy of America congealed into a monster who destroys everything in his path.

                    1. Awww. We loved the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.

                      Trump was the greatest president We The People have ever had fighting for us.

                    2. Well the Stay Puft Marshmallow man is what Trump was – all the dumbass, angry, evil energy flowing under America congealed into a giant Ooompa Loompa who did all he could to destroy America.

                      An enormous amount of damage from one guy.

                      Which Biden and team are now scurrying to undo, just as Obama faced a many-headed hydra of problems after Bush 43.

                      Republicans screw it up. Democrats clean it up.

                    3. I know – under Trump Republicans accross the country were rioting, looting and burning things down.

                      They were censoring everyone who disagreed with them.
                      Calling everyone who disagreed with them liars.

                      Militias, the KKK and NeoNazi’s exploded all over the country.
                      Lynching’s resumed,

                      Republicans in the media, entertaiment, politics wer caught raping women (and men) and engaging in sexual harrassment.

                      They burned the economy down, locking everything down.

                      Republicans were busy tearing down statues,

                      “Which Biden and team are now scurrying to undo, just as Obama faced a many-headed hydra of problems after Bush 43.”

                      And what would those problems be that Obama or Biden is fixing ?

                      Obama had the worst economic recovery since the great depression.

                      A normal weak recovery would have made him a hero forever.
                      But he botched it and that lead to Trump.

                      He messed up on immigration.
                      He messed up on the economy.
                      It took nearly his whole presidency to get back to 2007 jobs numbers.
                      As bad as Bush did in making military messes throughout the world – Obama was far worse.

                      And Xiden is already on track to be far worse.

                    4. Man, your TDS has morphed into pure psychosis, eh? Beware you don’t start foaming at the mouth and keel over with a stroke.
                      Oh, yeah…That corrupt old pedo with dementia is doing a “helluva job!” Especially at the border. As is his ever-popular (snicker) vp, or ‘pending president’, I should say, who can’t be bothered to take the crisis seriously at all. No going directly there, meeting with those dealing with the CRISIS on a daily basis, not even addressing this matter which is of huge concern to most people. Well, the Demolition Party did promise to “transform America” didn’t they?

                    5. “A wife-cheating, sad-stripper-shtupping, student-defrauding, charity-stealing, tax-evading, draft-dodging, soldier-insulting, multi-bankrupt obese, flatulent, charlatan and fraud.”

                      Would that Be Bill Clinton or Joe Biden you are talking about ?
                      I guess it must be Trump – because Biden and Clinton were rapists.

                2. “Trump had four years and an observant Congress to get that done.”
                  No, he had two.

                  “He didn’t get it done, like he didn’t get anything done.”
                  Wilful blindness.

                  “Because he’s a charlatan and a fraud and one of the biggest mistakes America has ever mad.

                  Similar to Hitler in a way, as that was the biggest mistake Germany ever made.”
                  More stupid hitler comparisons.

                  Hitler was a socialist.
                  Hitler imposed his will on the country by force.

                  Trump did none of that.
                  Democrats are seeking to do exactly that.

                  You have falsely argued that Trump did nothing.

                  But lets say he had – he could not possibly be hitler like then
                  Hitler was a very actiist leader.

                  He accomplished a great deal – BY FORCE.

                  “Whatever. He’s gone.”
                  Nope.

                  “I trust Biden’s judgment a lot more than Trump’s, because Trump didn’t have any.”
                  Biden is a clueless old fool who should have spent his last years with his family.
                  Instead he is like so many politicians continuing well past when he should quit and making a fool of himself.

                  “A flatulent old pussy grabber with one foot in the grave.”
                  That would be Biden.

              3. Biden says there is something wrong with Trump’s deal.

                of course there is – the Taliban are not going to keep it.

                That will not change in 6 months.

                Nor is it any of our business.

                It is not our governments job to save the Afghani people from themselves.

            3. Trump didn’t act as the ‘dictator’ that Joe Biden has been doing since taking office….signing the most Executive Orders of any president in his first 30 days. Joe Biden lied to voters and actually IS acting as the totalitarian dictator that Trump was falsely accused of being by the Dems and the liberal media.

              1. “Joe Biden has signed a record thirty-three executive orders in just one week, a record for any President, and most of them directly reversing President Trump’s core policies.

                Despite the apparent fact that Biden doesn’t even know what he’s signing, he has “issued 33 executive orders, actions, proclamations, memoranda and agency directives,” as CNN reports.

                Thus far, Biden has signed more than three times as many orders as the previous four Presidents COMBINED.

                In their first weeks Trump signed four, Obama signed five, George W. Bush signed none, and Bill Clinton signed one.

                Indeed, no other President has ever signed as many orders as Biden, according to The American Presidency Project at the University of California Santa Barbara.

                The Executive Order is and always has been controversial because it is essentially a decree. But whatever, the empire has fallen and it’s time to undo all of its evil deeds.”

                1. Here are the details:

                  “Here are the executive actions Biden has signed so far”

                  “By Christopher Hickey, Curt Merrill, Richard J. Chang, Kate Sullivan, Janie Boschma and Sean O’Key, CNN”

                  Updated April 15, 2021

                  https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/politics/biden-executive-orders/

                  Excerpt:

                  So far, Biden has signed more than 60 executive actions, 23 of which are direct reversals of Trump’s policies. Most of these actions have addressed the novel coronavirus, immigration and equity.

                  Biden defends the number of executive actions he has issued as necessary to undo what he considers “bad policy” inherited from Trump, especially on immigration.

                  To date, nine of his 11 actions regarding immigration are reversals of Trump’s policies.

                  “And I want to make it clear — there’s a lot of talk, with good reason, about the number of executive orders that I have signed — I’m not making new law; I’m eliminating bad policy,” Biden said as he signed a series of actions on immigration from the Oval Office on February 2. “What I’m doing is taking on the issues that — 99% of them — that the president, the last president of the United States, issued executive orders I felt were very counterproductive to our security, counterproductive to who we are as a country, particularly in the area of immigration.”

                  -CNN

                  Check out the graphs and details about each executive action.

                  1. Counterproductive to our security?? Biden is a mixed up liar. Have you seen the mess on the border? The crisis Joe Biden’s bad policies intentionally created? It’s a mess and a national security safety issue for the country. It is enabling and encouraging cartels and traffckers. Biden intentionally created this disaster and lies about it all.

                    1. The mess at the border has always been there and always will be there.

                      Trump tried to build a billion-dollar wall that was mostly symbolic.

                      The truth is, short of genocide and Soylent Green, there is no legal/moral solution to the mess at the border, just as there is no legal/moral solution to homelessness along the west coast, refugees from North Africa and the Middle East flooding into Europe, starvation and disease in Africa, etc.

                      Biden didn’t create these problems. They will be here long after he is gone.

                      Overpopulation is the real culprit.

                    2. “The mess at the border has always been there and always will be there.”

                      Not to the extent we have now.

                      “Trump tried to build a billion-dollar wall that was mostly symbolic.”
                      It was several Billion. There is about 2300 miles of southern border. Trump built about 400 miles of new wall and replaced about 200 miles of wall in California that had worked for many years but was now failing.
                      He also had the military run about 200 miles of concertina wire – that is very effective – but not permanent.

                      Between the wall and enforcement – illegal border crossings were about 1/10 what they are right now – and declining as more wall was built.

                      “The truth is, short of genocide and Soylent Green, there is no legal/moral solution to the mess at the border, just as there is no legal/moral solution to homelessness along the west coast, refugees from North Africa and the Middle East flooding into Europe, starvation and disease in Africa, etc.”

                      False – legality is trivial. The law is whatever it is. And what it is is by defintion legal.

                      Further there is no moral issue regarding immigration at all. Immigration is entirely amoral.

                      That is particularly true of government which may NEVER impose a positive moral obligation on anyone.

                      “Thou Shalt not ..” is the domain of government – thous shalt not kill.

                      Compelling others to do what is deemed positive good is IMMORAL – it is slavery.

                      If you force me to help the poor – who did good ? My actions were forced – so there is no merit to them. While you did not actually help the poor – I did, but you did use force against another – which is immoral.

                      When government goes beyond its legitimate role of protecting peoples rights it acts immorally. When it forces us to help the less fortunate – it acts immorally. You are free to help others, as am I, but you are not free to force me to, not I to force you.

                      Further – there is a limitless supply of needy and needs. We can not meet that demand – if we use force to attempt to do so – who decides whose needs are most important ? Do we help the homeless, the poor, the reffugees from other lands ?

                      There is always an argument that someone else needs help more than whoever you have picked.

                      I adopted my daughter from a $hithole orphanage in China. I contribute heavily to aide for poor children arround the world.

                      Personally that is far more important than the homeless in LA – who live far better then most children in the world today.

                      But the homeless may appeal to you. That may be what you choose to do.

                      Regardless, I can not morally force you to give to my favorite charities, and you can not force me to give to yours.
                      But government charity is worse than that – not only does it take away my free will, but it drives charities to seek to leverage government power.

                      Who do you want a charity to respond to – the dictates of those who give money ? Or the whims of politicians in Washington ?

                      One of the many reasons for limited government is to end the competition of charities, and businesses and other interests for the favor of government. That is corrupt.

                      With specific respect to immigration – there is no right to live in the US, to be a US citizen.

                      You and I are citizens – likely by accident of our birth. This is no different from the fact that some of us are blessed with musical talent, other intellect and others physical skills. All this is random chance. It is not our birth right. It is just how things are.

                      Regardless, there is no right to be a US or any other citizen. It is a gift, a random accident.

                      If you were born in Guatemala – you are not a US citizen – you have no right to live here.
                      That is not fair – but life is not fair.

                      It is perfectly moral to build a wall and keep people out.
                      It is perfectly moral to allow anyone in.

                      It is NOT however moral to let people in at the expense of others.

                      Open Borders is NOT inherently moral. Completely closed borders is.

                      Open Borders can only be moral in a system were there are no positive rights – no entitlements.

                      “Biden didn’t create these problems.”
                      Actually he did – or at the very least he made them alot worse.

                      “They will be here long after he is gone.”
                      Not as they currently are.

                      Crime will be with us always – but right now violent crime in democrat run cities has overall doubled.
                      That was not always true and it need not be true in the future.
                      It is the diect result of very recent democratic policy choices.
                      Bad ones.

                      You are killing people. allowing them to be robbed and raped.

                      “Overpopulation is the real culprit.”
                      The carrying capacity of the earth with broad application of current tecnology using only the current land used for agriculture is about 50B people – we currently have 8B, we will peak in a few decades at 11B and then population will slowly decline.

                      When I was in grade school the nuns had us put nickels and dimes in the milk cartons for millions of starving children in Bangeledesch.

                      Today the left whiggs out because a factory fire in bangeledesh kills 100. It is those facotries that ended starvation in bangeledesh – not nickels in milk cartoons.

                      Go actually read Ehrlich’s “the Population Bomb” – it is 55 years old. NOTHING it predicted happened.
                      In fact no malthusian prediction of any kind has EVER come true.

                      Anyone who tells you “the end is near” – is lying. Regardless of whether they are Harold Camping or Greta Thunberg.

                      Here is a massive amount of REAL DATA, debunking just about every malthusian claim ever made.

                      http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Ultimate_Resource/

                      The ultimate resource – the only resource that is actually limited is the human mind. the more we have the wealthier we will be.

                    3. How about this. Let’s say you had absolute power: How would you solve “the mess at the border?”

                      Don’t worry about legalities or moralities.

                      Tell us.

                      Thrill us.

                      Educate us.

                      What should Biden be doing that he’s not doing?

                      How should Biden follow Trump’s design?

                      Wouldn’t it have been easier to dig a moat and fill it with crocodiles and rapids and piranha-fish than build a wall?

                    4. I do not need “absolute power”.

                      The FIRST issue – is that the job of President is NOT to solve all the worlds problems – and the president does NOT have absolute power.

                      The president has the power and obligation to enforce the law.

                      That is the oath he and every other public servant swore. To enforce the law we have.

                      Trump enforced the immigration law that is currently actually on the books.

                      That law has required building a wall since the mid 80’s.

                      That law has required that we deport people here illegally.
                      That law made crossing the border without permission a crime and required deportation.
                      That law set the criteria for asylum very narrow.

                      Trump enforced the law AS IT WAS.
                      He plead with congress to change the law, while he opposed somethings that the democrats sought – he and nearly all republicans sought to address the problem of “the dreamers” – but democrats refused.

                      When we can not agree – we do not get to make up new law as Obama did with DACA. We must enforce the law we have.
                      That is what Trump did.

                      Right now democrats control congress and the whitehouse.
                      They have the power to change immigration law if they so choose.

                      But if they do not – then they must follow the law that already exists.

                      This is not hard.

                      Trump did so. Biden has not.

                      Clearly following the law that exists produces better outcomes than making it us.

                      But even if it did not – we follow the law we have – until we can change it.

                      That is the rule of law – not men.

                      Democrats want lawlessness.
                      The rule of man, not law.
                      To make it up as they go.

                    5. If Biden was following the law – which he is not, then the disaster at the border would be congresses fault – if there was one.

                      Biden is not following existing law – therefore he is lawless, and the results are his repsonsibility – Presonally.

                    6. Let’s just shoot them all or turn them into marijuana cultivators.

                      Trump’s Wall is a horrendous waste of time and money that won’t work.

                      The truth is there is no legal or moral solution to the mess at the border, which is why no one has solved it.

                      Central America is chaos because of overpopulation and so tens of thousands of people are flocking toward America, hoping for the best.

                      Let’s just neutron bomb Central America and replace them all with jungle-loving Scandinavians.

                    7. “Central America is chaos because of overpopulation and so tens of thousands of people are flocking toward America, hoping for the best.”

                      If someone wants to be more ignorant than they are they need to listen to Ben Marcus. One after another, this guy shoots his mouth off only to be wrong again and again. If one looks at population density they will learn that Ben is totally wrong for there are many countries with much denser populations.

                      Singapore is one.
                      Israel,, the Netherlands, Belgium, Japan, the UK,Switzerland Germany and Italy are just a few of the others.

                      Every post Ben writes is riddled with this type of error.

                      Pro Tip: If Ben says something the opposite is much more likely true.

                    8. “Trump’s Wall is a horrendous waste of time and money that won’t work.”

                      This more talk from an individual who makes things up. They aren’t true and I find it hard to believe that he doesn’t know it.

                      The entire border doesn’t need a wall. Certain places absolutely need the wall. What the cartels are doing is releasing one group of illegals so while border control is occupied they smuggle in drugs at a different location. The wall channels the drug smugglers into areas that can make capture that much easier.

                      Any fool can recognize the value of Walls. Nancy Pelosi has even built her own.

                    9. The debate over the wall is stupid.

                      The wall is not a solution to anything.
                      It is a tool to make controlling illegal border crossings easier. That is all.

                      The entire debate is stupid.

                      We can as a nation disagree regarding how many people we will permit to legally immigrate to the US each year, and where they will come from.

                      The wall – and ALL border enforcement have nothing to do with that debate.

                      Border control is NOT about how much immigration the US allows.
                      It is about whether americans decide or whether the immigrants decide in a chaotic free for all.

                    10. “Let’s just shoot them all or turn them into marijuana cultivators.

                      Trump’s Wall is a horrendous waste of time and money that won’t work.

                      The truth is there is no legal or moral solution to the mess at the border, which is why no one has solved it.

                      Central America is chaos because of overpopulation and so tens of thousands of people are flocking toward America, hoping for the best.

                      Let’s just neutron bomb Central America and replace them all with jungle-loving Scandinavians.”

                      Really ? Is there any need to address this at all ?

                      You discredit yourself far better than I can.

                    11. Biden should spend billions building a symbolic wall that won’t accomplish diddly.

                      That will fix everything.

                      The crisis at the border existed before Biden and will exist after.

                      Why?

                      It’s not fixable.

                      Or maybe you have all the answers: Given absolute power, how would you solve the mess at the border?

                      Don’t worry about moral or legalities, just fix it.

                      Go:

                    12. “Biden should spend billions building a symbolic wall that won’t accomplish diddly.

                      That will fix everything.”

                      No it will not fix “everything” but it will and has improved many things. Biden would be in even deeper shit than he is without the 400+ miles of new wall, 200+ miles of repaired wall, and 200+ miles of temporary wall.

                      Walls are not “the answer” – but they are part of an answer.

                      Pelosi had a “wall’ built arround the capital – obviously they are good for something.

                      “The crisis at the border existed before Biden and will exist after.”

                      No – problems existed at the border – and will always.

                      This is a crisis. It is NEW.

                      “It’s not fixable.”

                      Few things in life can be perfectly “fixed” – we work to improve things.
                      The Wall is an improvement.
                      It makes many of the problems smaller.
                      It increases our control and options.

                      It allows us to move from reactive to proactive.

                      Democrats can allow as many people in as they want – even with a wall.

                      But they will come in orderly. You will not have chaos.
                      And to allow more in – you would have to change the law – a requirement for the rule of law.

                      “Or maybe you have all the answers: Given absolute power, how would you solve the mess at the border?

                      Don’t worry about moral or legalities, just fix it.”

                      Why is it that you seem to think that the solution to every problem is “more power” to government. ‘

                      How would I solve the border problem ?
                      By doing what the president is required by his oath of office to do.
                      Uphold the law and constitution.

                      That means catching and deporting people who cross the border illegally.
                      That means buiilding a wall that was authorized 40 years ago.

                      That means working with congress to change the parts of the law that I do not like.

                      That does not require absolute power.
                      It does not require any power that Biden does not have.
                      In fact it requires Biden to NOT pretend he has powers he does not.

                  2. And covid deaths are running 2000/day under Biden.

                    Immigration is a mess,

                    and this equity nonsense threatens to tear the country apart.

                  3. Biden can FEEL whatever he wants.

                    Only leftists decide policy based on feelings.

                    That would explain why Biden is failing.

                2. Executive orders are supposed to be constitutionally limited to:

                  Directives specifically related to the narrow powers given solely to the president in the constitution.
                  Directives to the executive regarding the implimentation of laws passed by congress.

                  The president has no power to make law.

                  I would note that though often stupid, many of Biden’s EO’s meet these criteria.

                  As an example Biden directed that masks must be worn on federal property.

                  That was stupid, but probably inside his power as president.

                  He did not order a nationwide mask manadate – because he can’t

                  I would further note some of Biden’s EO’s violate federal law.

                  His “pause” on immigration enforcement.

                  Congress passed immigration laws. Obama, Trump, and Biden were all obligated to enforce them – whether they like them or not.

                  They are free to ask congress to change the law.
                  They are not free to not enforce the law as it is.

              2. Trump was a wannabe dictator but he was too dumb to pull it off.

                All of Biden’s Executive Orders are his attempt to clean up the mess left behind by Trump, who made an even bigger mess than Bush43 – if that was possible.

                Biden hasn’t lied to anyone. He doesn’t have to.

                Trump told more deliberate lies in a month than Biden has said by accident in his entire life.

                No American should be that gullible and dumb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8v0TXRTu4E

                1. “Biden hasn’t lied to anyone. He doesn’t have to.”

                  Honey, he is a serial liar. Biden has been lying for 50 years in Washington DC and he is still lying. Difference today is that he seems to believe his own lies and the compliant media let him.

                  1. If brains were dynamite you couldn’t blow your nose.

                    Biden is honest, but you are probably a Trumper who wouldn’t recognize honesty if it jumped into bed with you.

                    Trump told more deliberate lies in a month than Biden has said in his lifetime.

                    “The pussy grabber tape was fake” is just the start. How dumb does he think Americans are?

                    Enumerate Biden’s lies, if you please?

                    Biden is kicking ass right now, and reminding America what leadership and vision are all about.

                    That’s the silver lining in Coronavirus – removed Trump from office so American can move forward.

                    Go on, thrill us with an inventory of Biden’s lies.

                    1. “Enumerate Biden’s lies, if you please?”

                      Where to begin? How about this one:

                      Biden to CNN in December: “I’m going to ask the public for 100 days to mask. Just 100 days to mask — not forever, just 100 days.”

                      Wanna bet?

                    2. Biden actually masked on a Zoom call with foreign leaders.
                      He was the only one who masked.

                      This is the perfect metaphor for the Left.

                      Virtue signaling.

                      It is not important that your actions have the slightest actual benefit to anyone.

                      It is only important that you LOOK virtuous.

                      Except that Biden did not – he looked stupid.
                      As he is.

                    3. Media lies reported in September 2020:

                      From Washington Post: “Trump says, without evidence, that every American will get coronavirus vaccine by April”

                      From CNN: “Trump says every American can get a coronavirus vaccine by April, but health experts say that’s not likely”

                      The reporting now?

                      “All U.S. adults now eligible for COVID-19 vaccine, meeting Biden’s April 19 deadline”

                      Spot the difference?

                      All glory to Joe Biden’s ‘vision and leadership,’ of course.

                    4. The actual quote.

                      “Hundreds of millions of doses will be available every month and we expect to have enough vaccines for every American by April,” Trump said on Sept. 18,

                      Which is true.

                      Trump never said Every american WILL be vaccinated – EVER – nor did Biden. That would REQUIRE forcing people to get vaccinated.

                    5. Benjamin,

                      I listed many of the Lies Biden has told since the inauguration.
                      If you think any of them can be fixed by additional context – fine provide it.
                      But in nearly all instances, these are remarks that can not be taken out of context.

                      I doubt you can come up with a single similar example regarding Trump.
                      But go ahead.

                      “Biden is honest,”
                      He is not and never has been. He is a crook. He always has been. He is not the most crooked politician ever.
                      In comparison to Clinton or many in congress he is a small time crook.
                      But he is not honest.

                      “but you are probably a Trumper”
                      Did not vote for Trump ever.

                      “who wouldn’t recognize honesty if it jumped into bed with you.”
                      non-sequitur and a stupid one at that.
                      IF you assume that all republicans are “racist, nazi, hateful, hating, haters” – we are going to have a civil war of some sorts.
                      It is unavoidable. You can not make egegious claims of moral failure against half the country and then use power to act on those claims without very serious conflict.

                      That will happen even if you are right. But given that you are wrong – it is far worse.

                      “Trump told more deliberate lies in a month than Biden has said in his lifetime.”
                      Then you will have no problem listing specific consequential lies that have not been debunked.

                      ““The pussy grabber tape was fake” is just the start. How dumb does he think Americans are?”

                      Please provide a quote from Trump saying exactly that.

                      I would remind you – YOU are making a claim of moral failure against another – the burden of proof is on you.
                      Show where Trump said EXACTY what you quoted.

                      “Enumerate Biden’s lies, if you please?”

                      I did – atleast half a dozen significant ones since he took office.

                      “Biden is kicking ass right now, and reminding America what leadership and vision are all about.”
                      If you think that – you are deluded.

                      “That’s the silver lining in Coronavirus – removed Trump from office so American can move forward.”
                      And the left LIED about C19 to do so – that does not make your case.

                      So you are admitting that YOU used lies to remove Trump.

                      “Go on, thrill us with an inventory of Biden’s lies.”
                      I did – about half a dozen, since taking office.
                      There are lots more – but that is a start.
                      A very specific list with direct Biden quotes that are clearly lies.
                      Not inaccurate predictions, but statements that were FALSE at the moment he said them.
                      That the president had a responsibility to be correct about.

                  2. What is nuts is that the media and the left screamed “Liar, Liar, Liar” regarding Trump – yet were universally wrong.

                    Biden is lying if his lips are moving. He just seems to make up what he says. I am not even sure he knows or cares if he is lying.
                    And that is not actually new as he ages. Biden is famous for telling whoppers and getting caught without consequence.

                    What is problematic is that the media which falsely accused Trump is saying nothing about Biden.

                    We do not have journalism any more – we have the independent propoganda arm of the democratic party.

                2. Just some examples of Biden lies as president.

                  Biden claimed his Gun EO was justified by a 3 day loophole that allowed Roof to shoot up a church in 2015.

                  The problem is that not only did Roof shot up the church more than two months after his background check was delayed, but “the FBI did not find the records that should have prohibited him from buying a gun” due to a mistake by the agency.

                  “People don’t realize the only industry in America, a billion-dollar industry, that can’t be sued, that are exempt from being sued, are gun manufacturers,” Biden said. “This is the only outfit that is exempt from being sued.”

                  False. Gun manufacturers – like all other manufacturers can be sued for actual product liability.

                  Like all other manufactureres they can not usually be sued because their products are used to commit crimes.

                  “Most people don’t know when you walk into a store and you buy a gun, you have a background check but you go to a gun show, you can buy whatever you want with no background check,” Biden claimed.

                  Any gun dealer at a gun show as well as private sellers in most states must complete federal background checks at gun shows.

                  “This is Jim Crow on steroids, but they’re doing it in Georgia and 40 other states,” Biden said. “Imagine passing a law saying you cannot provide water or food for someone standing in line to vote. Come on. Are you going to close a polling place at 5:00, where can people just get off? This is all about people, working folks, ordinary folks that I grew up with, from being able to vote.”

                  This has been thoroughly debunked. I beleive WaPo gave biden 4 Pinochios.

                  Not only is every specific claim wrong. The new GA law is LESS restrictive than that of New York.

                  During his introduction of a $2 trillion infrastructure plan, Biden repeated the lie that “no one making under $400,000 will see their federal taxes go up, period.”

                  White House press secretary Jen Psaki recently clarified that individuals making $200,000 a year who are married to someone making similar amounts will be subject to the proposed tax hike.

                  Biden insisted that “83 percent of the money went to the top 1 percent” because of Trump’s tax cuts.

                  The 83 percent figure often touted by Biden, fact-checkers determined as early as 2018, is “true for 2027 but only because most of the individual income tax changes expire by then,” but not other years.

                  “Back in the 1960s, America invested more than 2 percent of GDP in pure research and investment in science. Today it is 0.7 percent,” Biden stated.

                  Research and development spending, however, is at its highest point and accounted for more than 3 percent of the real GDP before the COVID-19 economic shutdown.

                  “Ninety of the Fortune 500 companies making billions of dollars are not paying a cent in taxes,” Biden said, “reducing taxes to a point that people who are making, you know, if you’re a husband and wife, school teacher, and a cop, you’re paying at a higher rate than the average person making a billion dollars a year.”

                  The Committee on Ways and Means, however, said that the claims Biden made relied on information that “continually confused the difference between taxable income and financial statements.”

                  “From sales taxes to property taxes to payroll taxes, Fortune 500 companies pay billions of dollars in taxes to local, state, and federal government,”

                  “Do you hear them complain when they passed [a] close to $2 trillion Trump tax cut, with 83 percent going to the top 1 percent? Do you hear them talk about that at all?” Biden asked.

                  Not only did Trump’s tax cut benefit Americans across the working, middle, and upper classes, a fact even corporate media outlets noted, but it also contributed to a large decrease in unemployment and underemployment.

            4. “If it was Trump’s idea, why didn’t he act on it?”
              He did. Despite incredible resistance from the military, the left, democrats, republicans and neocons.
              The April 2021 deadline was what he managed. What he negotiated against egregious resistance – including from our government.
              It was what Trump managed up against lies from the media such as the Russian bounties story that even Biden is debunking.

              What is really odd is that the left and the media believes it when Biden says exactly the same things are Trump.
              But they did not when Trump says them.

              “If Trump was the China-hating deal-maker he claimed to be, he could have – with the swipe of a pen – eliminated the $1 trillion in American debt held by China as damages and compensation for the bat-eaters who launched Coronavirus.”

              Who said Trump was China hating ? China is an alie and an adversary. They are a nation with their own interests that are sometimes at odds with the US.

              No Trump can not eliminate Chinese debt at the stroke of a pen – read the constitution.

              Next, there is todate ZERO evidence that eating bats spread Cornoa to humans.
              There is no ZERO doubt that C19 came from bats. But it did not come DIRECTLY from bats.
              Bat Corona Viruses can not infect humans. The Bat Corona Virus would have had to mutate several times to pass to humans.
              Equally important it is highly unlikely that when it mutated and jumped to humans that it would be both deadly and highly contageous.
              That usually takes several more mutations.

              There are only two rational possibilities.
              Bat Corona Viruses reached humans through an intermediate host, where they NATURALLY “gained function”.
              Or they were the results of Gain of funtcion experiments in Labs and they accidentally ro deliberately escaped.

              The Trump administration pushed the later claim – which increasingly appears to be near certain.

              But it will be very hard to hold the Chinese responsible – as the US – the Obama administration funded the research, Dr. Faucci was involved, as were several people part of the inquiry into the origens of C19 – talk about massive conflict of interests.

              Regardless, the highest probability is this was an accident, resulting from poor procedures. while handling deadly viruses.

              Culpability does not rest solely with the Chinese – It rests with lots of powerful people int he US too.

              But the biggest problem is that CHINA hid not merely the origen, but the problem until it was too late to stop.
              That is true whether the source is a lab or bats.

              “Because what do you think the total damages from Coronavirus will be? Hundreds of trillions? A quadrillion?”
              Is Biden doing even 1/10th what Trump was ?

              No. Because your claims are wishful thinking. China is not going to Pay for this, anymore than WHO or Faucci will.

              “A conman who couldn’t con his way out of a pandemic.”
              Of course he couldn’t.
              Neither can Biden.

              There is little to nothing that govenrment – the president can do about a pandemic.
              1/3 of all US deaths have occured while Biden was president.
              The average deaths/day under Trump was a bit over 1,000,
              Under Biden it is over 2,000 death/day

              Biden came to office with no magic bullet for Covid.

              He is inarguablly doing worse than Trump.
              Death’s are up even though 1/3 of the country has been vaccinated. and nearly another 1/3 is likely immune through infection.

              And the data is out – lockdowns do not work. They do not reduce C19 deaths but they increase other deaths.

              And the mask data is out. You can beleive the Danes – maskes are 15% effective over 90 days – or 5% over 9months.
              Or the CDC – 1-2% over 100 days.
              Or the NIH – they are net negative causing more harm than good.

              Social Distancing ? Buys time, little more.

              Again there is no magic bullet.

              If you do not want to get C19:
              Get vaccinated.
              Get lots of sun
              if you can’t – get lots of vitamin D.
              Spend more time outdoors.

              That will not guarantee anything – but it is the best we have got.

              It is likely that one of the best things you can do is go to the beaches – even crowded beaches.

              “Afghanistan, right.
              Trump couldn’t find Afghanistan on a map with both hands.”

              He visited troops in Afghanistan over christmas – while the media was falsely reporting he stayed home.

              “September 11 is soon enough and not soon enough.”

              Do you honestly beleive we will be out then ?

              I do not.

              Obama lied. Trump tried. So far Biden is obama on steriods.
              Not more honest than Trump.

          2. I mean, for real: What did Trump actually accomplish in four years of BS and blather?

            What did he improve?

            Other than giving tax cuts to the rich.

            The national debt increased 36% under Trump.

            Is that how Conservatives are supposed to act?

            Do the positives outweigh the negatives?

            I don’t think so.

            Go on, we’re listening.

            1. You seem unaware of how many of Trump’s policies, including foreign policies, trade deals, etc have been left in place by the Biden admin. Biden and the media lie to you. We’ve been over this. How many times do you need to hear it? Go on, we’re all ears.

              1. Okay please detail all these things Trump did for America.

                Cancelling Tik Tok?

                Morocco? Sudan? UAE? Who cares?

                Go on. Do an end run around the lying media and tell us what Trump accomplished.

                Do the math: How did any good he accomplished outweigh the bad he let happen?

                1. Start with the fact that Trump’s foreign policy was more successful overall than Barack Obama’s.

                2. What did Trump do ?

                  No new wars or conflicts during his term. First time for any president since Carter.

                  An economy that even counting 2020 and the lockdown issues still outperformed Obama. by 10%.
                  Trump’s first 3 years outperformed obama by 50%.

                  We have a vaccine today curtesey of Trump.

                  Just about every democrat, and every expert said that having one in 2020 was impossible.

                  We litterally had one BEFORE election day as promised. But the FDA and drug companies hid that from us for several weeks.

                  As Trump promised by April anyone who wants a vaccine can have one.

                  Vaccines were actually available during Trump’s presidency for about 45 days. During that time Trump vaccinated nearly 40M people.
                  Ramping up from 0 to 1.2M/day.

                  Biden promised 1M/day – less than Trump was actually doing.
                  Biden lied and said Trump gave him nothing.
                  And yet Bidens vaccination rates are barely faster than Trumps.
                  We should have seen signficant improvement.

                  These are just a start.

              2. Biden and democrats are doing SOME bat$hit crazy things.

                They are also sometimes quietly continuing lots of Trump policies.
                Sometimes they are backing away, and coming back and backing away and …

            2. “I mean, for real: What did Trump actually accomplish in four years of BS and blather?

              What did he improve?”

              There is a long list that has been repeatedly covered.
              But you pay no attention.

              “Other than giving tax cuts to the rich.”
              The standard deduction was raised dramatically – that benefited EVERYONE.

              “The national debt increased 36% under Trump.”
              And more under Obama. and Biden is ontrack to blow it up completely,
              I oppose that – democrats republicans does not matter.

              “Is that how Conservatives are supposed to act?”
              No it is not. Is it how anyone is supposed to act ?
              Should be not elect conservatives because they violate fundimentals half as much as democrats ?

              “Do the positives outweigh the negatives?”
              Without any doubt.

              “Go on, we’re listening.”
              Already been covered over and over.

              I can’t hear you – is not an argument.

          3. Actually it was Obama’s – but he completely failed to do it.

            Trump made progress. He would have made more but for resistance from democrats, republicans and the military.

            If Biden is out by 9/11 he deserves Kudos. But the odds of that are low.

            Every president has lied about this.
            But some more than others.

            1. Obama didn’ completely fail to pull out of Afghanistan.

              If he’d had his way, America would have been out of the Middle East 100% because Obama recognized it’s all a giant waste of time, money and lives.

              Afghanistan is never going to change, so let’s just pull up the drawbridge and leave them to it.

              Obama was probably prevented by voices warning him of terrorist camps and genocide.

              Trump never listened to anyone and could have done what he wanted but he didn’t touch Afghanistan.

              I watched “The Outpost” again last night which was, in microcosm, indicative of how doomed and deadly Afghanistan was and always will be.

              As the Afghans say: “They’ve got the watches but we’ve got the time.”

              1. “Obama didn’ completely fail to pull out of Afghanistan.

                If he’d had his way, America would have been out of the Middle East 100% because Obama recognized it’s all a giant waste of time, money and lives.”

                BS, Obama failed. He couldn’t find his way out of a paper bag given GPS, a flashlight and a map. He had more than his chance and he had the support of the bureaucracy.

                1. You’ve got the wrong president. Trump was and is a failure.

                  Obama recognized the waste and futility of the wars of revenge in the Middle East and he got America out of there as fast as he could.

                  He picked off bin LAden and satisfied American blood lust for revenge and then withdrew troops as fast as possible.

                  Those wars were costing $10 billion a month.

                  A waste.

                  Obama got us out and good on him.

                  1. “You’ve got the wrong president. Trump was and is a failure.

                    Obama recognized the waste and futility of the wars of revenge in the Middle East and he got America out of there as fast as he could.

                    He picked off bin LAden and satisfied American blood lust for revenge and then withdrew troops as fast as possible.

                    Those wars were costing $10 billion a month.

                    A waste.

                    Obama got us out and good on him.”

                    Do you live in reality ?

                    I do not know what Obama thought. I know what he did. He got us into MORE conflicts. He did not get us out.
                    Absolutely these conflicts were a waste.
                    No Obama did not get us out.
                    He started new ones.

                    1. Obama briefly started actions in Libya and Syria and Yemen – mostly actions against terrorists.

                      They weren’t wars.

                      And it was all part of an exit strategy that worked.

                      He wanted to rattle some cages and pick some people off while he had the men and machines available.

                      But he got out of the true wars.

                      As fast as he could.

                      Iraq and Afghanistan were all about payback for 9/11 and

                      Bin laden was killed May 2, 2011

                      And then: 𝐎𝐧 𝟐𝟐 𝐉𝐮𝐧𝐞 𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟏, 𝐎𝐛𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐚𝐝𝐝𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐧𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐖𝐡𝐢𝐭𝐞 𝐇𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝟏𝟎,𝟎𝟎𝟎 𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐨𝐩𝐬 𝐰𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐛𝐞 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡𝐝𝐫𝐚𝐰𝐧 𝐛𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐧𝐝 𝐨𝐟 𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟏 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐝𝐝𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝟐𝟑,𝟎𝟎𝟎 𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐨𝐩𝐬 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐲 𝐛𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐮𝐦𝐦𝐞𝐫 𝐨𝐟 𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟐.

                      𝐒𝐨 𝐚 𝐜𝐨𝐫𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞?

                      Timing?

                      Well you probably don’t so let me explain:

                      The killing of bin Laden satisfied America’s blood lust for revenge, and only then could Obama announce withdrawals.

                      Clever lad.

                    2. “Obama briefly started actions in Libya and Syria and Yemen – mostly actions against terrorists.
                      They weren’t wars.”

                      Ben, you are so bizarre that one might think you have some brain damage in that all your wires aren’t communicating. You don’t have the slightest idea of what Obama did. Maybe you know what a red line is but you obviously don’t know what affect that has on the world when the world’s superpower draw’s a red line and then gets diarrhea from anxiety causing POTUS to remain in the bathroom rather than in the situation room . The US helped create the anarchy in Libya which you think is wonderful. I don’t directly blame Obama for that. I blame him for listening to Hillary who as we all know was not competent in foreign affairs.

                    3. “Obama briefly started actions in Libya and Syria and Yemen – mostly actions against terrorists.”
                      False.

                      In both Libya and Syria existing tyranical government was challenged by people within the country revolting.

                      Neither Qaddafi, nor Assad are terrorists, while elements of those opposing Assad and Qaddafi included terrorists.

                      In Libya Obama chose to go to war against Qaddafi. that action was short because Qaddafi was defeated witht he help of US forces and Libya remains in chaos today, with terrorist elements having substantial control.

                      In Syria, Obama tried to split the baby – Initially using US military force to oppose Assad, but when this resulted in ISIL gaining control of significant portions of Syria Obama shifted to fighting ISIL. That conflict lasted to the end of the Obama regime and ultimately came to an end under Trump.

                      Regardless, neither conflict was the business of the US. Qaddafi and Assad are “bad guys” – and some of those who oppose them are not.
                      but some of those who opposed them are terrorists.

                      It is not our business to sort the good guys from the bad guys – particularly in conflicts that are not our business.
                      We are not the worlds policemen.

                      In Afghanistan the Taliban – in the past and today is ruthless and brutal and sometimes sponsor’s terrorism.
                      Yet, Obama, Trump, and Biden have all sought to strike a deal with them. It is near certain that the Taliban will end up governing Afghanistan when we leave – lust as they did 20 years ago.

                      The US military action in a Afghanistan was NOT justified – because the Taliban is evil. OR even because they are terrorists.
                      But specifically because they participated in an act of terrorism, and act of WAR against the US and its citizens.

                      That act of war justified removing the Taliban from power.
                      It does not justify the US dictating to Afghanistan the government they must have.

                      If the Afghani people allow the Taliban to return to power – that is their business not ours.
                      And if they commit another act of war against the US we can remove them from power once again.
                      Though maybe next time we will focus on actually destroying the Taliban, rather than driving them into Pakistan and destabalizing an ally.

                      “And it was all part of an exit strategy that worked.”
                      It did ? Both Libya and Syria remain a mess even today.

                      “He wanted to rattle some cages and pick some people off while he had the men and machines available.”
                      So the US should kill people in other countries – while we have men and machines available to do so ?

                      “But he got out of the true wars.”
                      We are still in Afghanistan and Iraq.

                      “As fast as he could.”
                      Afghainstan is the longest US war EVER.
                      Bush started it. The goals were accomplished in about 90 days.
                      WE have been there almost 20 years.
                      Bush did not leave.
                      Obama did not leave
                      Trump tried and had the first real committment to leave – which Biden has renigged on.
                      Maybe Biden will leave – I doubt it, he is already stalling.

                      This is not ” as fast as anyone could”

                      “Iraq and Afghanistan were all about payback for 9/11 and”
                      Afghanistan was justified by 9/11 and that goal was accomplished in 90 days.
                      So why did we stay another 20 years ?

                      Iraq was purportedly justified by Sadam developing WMD’s – Iraq was NOT involved in 9/11,
                      There is no more justification to invading Iraq than North Korea, Iran, or Israel, or Pakistan or India – other countries that have or seek WMD’s.

                      “Bin laden was killed May 2, 2011”
                      Good, What took so long ?

                      “𝐒𝐨 𝐚 𝐜𝐨𝐫𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞?”
                      Bin Laden was killed in a compound in Pakistan – an Ally. Not in Afghanistan or Iraq.
                      US Troops were not looking for Bin Laden in either Pakistan or Iraq.

                      “The killing of bin Laden satisfied America’s blood lust for revenge”

                      Then we should have invaded Pakistan – not Iraq or Afghanistan.
                      Bin Laden had been in Pakistant for a decade when he was killed – and we knew that.
                      Obama knew that.

                    4. “Obama briefly started actions in Libya and Syria and Yemen – mostly actions against terrorists.”
                      False.

                      𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐂𝐢𝐯𝐢𝐥 𝐖𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐋𝐢𝐛𝐲𝐚 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐒𝐲𝐫𝐢𝐚.

                      𝐖𝐡𝐲 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐔𝐧𝐜𝐥𝐞 𝐒𝐚𝐦 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞?

                      𝐓𝐨 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐪𝐮𝐞𝐫? 𝐓𝐨 𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐥𝐨𝐢𝐭?

                      𝐍𝐨, 𝐭𝐨 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐬𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐰𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐩 𝐠𝐚𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐛𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐞𝐥 𝐛𝐨𝐦𝐛𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐜𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐳𝐞𝐧𝐫𝐲.

                      𝐆𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐃𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐜𝐫𝐚𝐜𝐲 𝐚 𝐟𝐨𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐥𝐝.

                      𝐍𝐚𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐝𝐨𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐝, 𝐲𝐞𝐬, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐰𝐞𝐥𝐥-𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐝.

                      In both Libya and Syria existing tyranical government was challenged by people within the country revolting.

                      𝐚𝐤𝐚 𝐂𝐢𝐯𝐢𝐥 𝐖𝐚𝐫𝐬.

                      Neither Qaddafi, nor Assad are terrorists, while elements of those opposing Assad and Qaddafi included terrorists.

                      𝐖𝐞𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐥𝐚𝐛𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐬 “𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐫𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐬” 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐦𝐚𝐲𝐛𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐜𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐳𝐞𝐧𝐬 𝐨𝐩𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐆𝐚𝐝𝐝𝐚𝐟𝐢 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐚𝐥-𝐀𝐬𝐬𝐚𝐝 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐝𝐢𝐝𝐧’𝐭 𝐝𝐢𝐠 𝐛𝐞𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐛𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐞𝐥 𝐛𝐨𝐦𝐛𝐞𝐝 𝐨𝐫 𝐠𝐚𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐨𝐫 𝐫𝐮𝐧 𝐛𝐲 𝐝𝐢𝐜𝐭𝐚𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐬.

                      In Libya Obama chose to go to war against Qaddafi. that action was short because Qaddafi was defeated witht he help of US forces and Libya remains in chaos today, with terrorist elements having substantial control.

                      𝐋𝐢𝐛𝐲𝐚 𝐢𝐬 𝐚𝐥𝐰𝐚𝐲𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐨𝐬. 𝐁𝐞𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐆𝐚𝐝𝐚𝐟𝐟𝐢, 𝐝𝐮𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐆𝐚𝐝𝐚𝐟𝐟𝐢, 𝐚𝐟𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐆𝐚𝐝𝐚𝐟𝐟𝐢.

                      𝐖𝐡𝐲?

                      𝐁𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲’𝐫𝐞 𝐚 𝐦𝐨𝐛 𝐨𝐟 𝐁𝐞𝐝𝐨𝐮𝐢𝐧 𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐬 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐜𝐚𝐧’𝐭 𝐚𝐝𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝟐𝟏𝐬𝐭 𝐂𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐲.

                      𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐜𝐚𝐩𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐠𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐯𝐞𝐬 𝐡𝐮𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐞𝐥𝐲 𝐬𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐝, 𝐤𝐢𝐥𝐥, 𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐞, 𝐛𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐞𝐥 𝐛𝐨𝐦𝐛, 𝐠𝐚𝐬.

                      𝐈𝐭’𝐬 𝐧𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐠𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐠𝐞, 𝐧𝐨 𝐦𝐚𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐰𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐔𝐧𝐜𝐥𝐞 𝐒𝐚𝐦 𝐝𝐨𝐞𝐬.

                      In Syria, Obama tried to split the baby – Initially using US military force to oppose Assad, but when this resulted in ISIL gaining control of significant portions of Syria Obama shifted to fighting ISIL. That conflict lasted to the end of the Obama regime and ultimately came to an end under Trump.

                      𝐇𝐞 𝐦𝐚𝐝𝐞 𝐚 𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐤𝐞.

                      𝐎𝐛𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐚𝐝𝐦𝐢𝐭𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭.

                      𝐇𝐞 𝐰𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐝𝐢𝐬𝐜𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐒𝐲𝐫𝐢𝐚 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐧𝐨 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐥.

                      𝐒𝐨 𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡𝐝𝐫𝐞𝐰 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐥𝐞𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦 𝐤𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐞𝐚𝐜𝐡 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫.

                      𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫.

                      𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐬𝐞 𝐩𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐫𝐚𝐩𝐡𝐬 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐀𝐭𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐜 𝐬𝐮𝐦 𝐢𝐭 𝐮𝐩 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐲 𝐰𝐞𝐥𝐥:

                      𝐈𝐧 𝐚 𝐅𝐨𝐱 𝐍𝐞𝐰𝐬 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐢𝐞𝐰 𝐥𝐚𝐬𝐭 𝐒𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐚𝐲, 𝐎𝐛𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐚𝐬𝐤𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐡𝐢𝐬 “𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐬𝐭 𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐤𝐞.” 𝐈𝐭’𝐬 𝐚 𝐜𝐥𝐚𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐜 𝐠𝐨𝐭𝐜𝐡𝐚 𝐪𝐮𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐬𝐰𝐞𝐫 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐲. “𝐏𝐫𝐨𝐛𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐲 𝐟𝐚𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐧 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐚𝐲 𝐚𝐟𝐭𝐞𝐫, 𝐰𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐈 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐫𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐨, 𝐢𝐧 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐢𝐧 𝐋𝐢𝐛𝐲𝐚.” 𝐓𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐲𝐞𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐜𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐍𝐀𝐓𝐎 𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐢𝐧 𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟏 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐡𝐞𝐥𝐩𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐭𝐡𝐫𝐨𝐰 𝐌𝐮𝐚𝐦𝐦𝐚𝐫 𝐐𝐚𝐝𝐝𝐚𝐟𝐢 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐥𝐞𝐟𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐲 𝐝𝐞𝐞𝐩𝐥𝐲 𝐮𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞. 𝐈𝐧 𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟒, 𝐎𝐛𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐬𝐚𝐢𝐝: “[𝐖]𝐞 [𝐚𝐧𝐝] 𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐄𝐮𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐚𝐧 𝐩𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐧𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐦𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐧𝐞𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐟𝐮𝐥𝐥 𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐜𝐞 𝐢𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮’𝐫𝐞 𝐠𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬. 𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐢𝐭’𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐚𝐲 𝐚𝐟𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐐𝐚𝐝𝐝𝐚𝐟𝐢 𝐢𝐬 𝐠𝐨𝐧𝐞, 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲𝐛𝐨𝐝𝐲 𝐢𝐬 𝐟𝐞𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲𝐛𝐨𝐝𝐲 𝐢𝐬 𝐡𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐮𝐩 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐬𝐚𝐲𝐢𝐧𝐠, ‘𝐓𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐤 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚.’ 𝐀𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐦𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭, 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞 𝐚 𝐦𝐮𝐜𝐡 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐚𝐠𝐠𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐞𝐟𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐫𝐞𝐛𝐮𝐢𝐥𝐝 𝐬𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐞𝐭𝐢𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐝𝐢𝐝𝐧’𝐭 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐲 𝐜𝐢𝐯𝐢𝐜 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐝𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬.” 𝐈𝐧 𝐫𝐞𝐜𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐢𝐞𝐰𝐬 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐀𝐭𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐜’𝐬 𝐉𝐞𝐟𝐟𝐫𝐞𝐲 𝐆𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐛𝐞𝐫𝐠 𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 “𝐎𝐛𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐃𝐨𝐜𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐞,” 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐛𝐥𝐮𝐧𝐭𝐥𝐲 𝐬𝐚𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐢𝐧 𝐋𝐢𝐛𝐲𝐚 “𝐝𝐢𝐝𝐧’𝐭 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐤.” 𝐁𝐞𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐥𝐨𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐝𝐨𝐨𝐫𝐬, 𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐆𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐛𝐞𝐫𝐠, 𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐮𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐚 “𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐭 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐰.”

                      𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐰𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐰𝐫𝐨𝐧𝐠? 𝐎𝐛𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐩𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐢𝐛𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐛𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐬𝐦 𝐨𝐟 𝐋𝐢𝐛𝐲𝐚𝐧 𝐬𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐞𝐭𝐲, 𝐚𝐬 𝐰𝐞𝐥𝐥 𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐚𝐢𝐥𝐮𝐫𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚’𝐬 𝐍𝐀𝐓𝐎 𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐩 𝐮𝐩 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐞. 𝐁𝐥𝐚𝐦𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐢𝐛𝐲𝐚𝐧𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐄𝐮𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐚𝐧𝐬 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐛𝐞 𝐬𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐬𝐟𝐲𝐢𝐧𝐠, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐢𝐭 𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐞𝐞𝐩𝐞𝐫 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐞𝐛𝐚𝐜𝐥𝐞, 𝐰𝐡𝐢𝐜𝐡 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐫𝐨𝐨𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐡𝐨𝐰 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐟𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐰𝐚𝐫𝐬.

                      Regardless, neither conflict was the business of the US. Qaddafi and Assad are “bad guys” – and some of those who oppose them are not.
                      but some of those who opposed them are terrorists.

                      𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐲’𝐫𝐞 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦 𝐬𝐜𝐫𝐞𝐰𝐞𝐝 𝐮𝐩: 𝐑𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐠𝐢𝐨𝐮𝐬, 𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐛𝐚𝐥, 𝐛𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐝𝐲, 𝐰𝐚𝐫-𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐢𝐧𝐠, 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐜.

                      𝐈𝐭’𝐬 𝐚 𝐰𝐚𝐬𝐭𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐢𝐦𝐞.

                      𝐓𝐡𝐚𝐭’𝐬 𝐰𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐎𝐛𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐥𝐬 𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐈𝐫𝐚𝐪, 𝐀𝐟𝐠𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧, 𝐒𝐲𝐫𝐢𝐚, 𝐋𝐢𝐛𝐲𝐚, 𝐘𝐞𝐦𝐞𝐧 – 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐨𝐟 𝐢𝐭.

                      𝐖𝐞 𝐠𝐨𝐭 𝐩𝐚𝐲𝐛𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝟗/𝟏𝟏 𝐛𝐲 𝐩𝐢𝐜𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐟𝐟 𝐛𝐢𝐧 𝐋𝐚𝐝𝐞𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐲𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐞𝐥𝐬𝐞 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐢𝐧𝐯𝐨𝐥𝐯𝐞𝐝 𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐢𝐭 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐜𝐨𝐨𝐥.

                      𝐖𝐞 𝐥𝐞𝐟𝐭 𝐚 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐲 𝐬𝐨𝐥𝐢𝐝 𝐦𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐚𝐠𝐞 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐌𝐢𝐝𝐝𝐥𝐞 𝐄𝐚𝐬𝐭: 𝐈𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐩𝐢𝐬𝐬 𝐨𝐟𝐟 𝐔𝐧𝐜𝐥𝐞 𝐒𝐚𝐦, 𝐡𝐞’𝐬 𝐠𝐨𝐧𝐧𝐚 𝐟𝐮𝐜𝐤 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐮𝐩.

                      𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐰𝐞 𝐠𝐨𝐭 𝐨𝐮𝐭.

                      It is not our business to sort the good guys from the bad guys – particularly in conflicts that are not our business.
                      We are not the worlds policemen.

                      𝐘𝐞𝐚𝐡 𝐬𝐜𝐫𝐞𝐰 𝐢𝐭, 𝐥𝐞𝐭’𝐬 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐛𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐚𝐭𝐜𝐡 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐬𝐥𝐚𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐞𝐚𝐜𝐡 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫.

                      𝐖𝐚𝐭𝐜𝐡 𝐛𝐚𝐛𝐢𝐞𝐬 𝐠𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐛𝐚𝐫𝐛𝐞𝐪𝐮𝐞𝐝.

                      𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐫𝐨𝐰 𝐩𝐞𝐚𝐧𝐮𝐭𝐬 𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦.

                      𝐖𝐡𝐲 𝐰𝐚𝐬𝐭𝐞 𝐭𝐢𝐦𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐦𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦?

                      𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐥𝐝 𝐢𝐬 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐩𝐨𝐩𝐮𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐲𝐰𝐚𝐲.

                      In Afghanistan the Taliban – in the past and today is ruthless and brutal and sometimes sponsor’s terrorism.

                      Yet, Obama, Trump, and Biden have all sought to strike a deal with them. It is near certain that the Taliban will end up governing Afghanistan when we leave – lust as they did 20 years ago.

                      𝐘𝐞𝐚𝐡 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐬.

                      𝐋𝐞𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐓𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐛𝐚𝐧 𝐭𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐬𝐥𝐚𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐯𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐚𝐠𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐬𝐨𝐦𝐞 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞.

                      𝐈𝐭’𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐛𝐥𝐞𝐦.

                      𝐔𝐧𝐜𝐥𝐞 𝐒𝐚𝐦 𝐰𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐝𝐞𝐞𝐩 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐤𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐝 𝐬𝐨𝐦𝐞 𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐚 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐤 𝐚𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐞 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐰𝐡𝐚𝐭’𝐬 𝐮𝐩 𝐧𝐨𝐰.

                      𝐇𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐟𝐮𝐥𝐥𝐲 𝐁𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐮𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐫𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐅𝐨𝐫𝐜𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐲𝐛𝐞𝐫 𝐜𝐚𝐦𝐩𝐚𝐢𝐠𝐧𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐎𝐛𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐞𝐝.

                      𝐈𝐧𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐢𝐯𝐞, 𝐞𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐯𝐞. 𝐒𝐢𝐥𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐥𝐲.

                      𝐓𝐡𝐚𝐭’𝐬 𝐡𝐨𝐰 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐝𝐨 𝐢𝐭, 𝐚𝐥𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐢𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐚 𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐦 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐫𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐦.

                      𝐊𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐧𝐨𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞.

                      The US military action in a Afghanistan was NOT justified – because the Taliban is evil. OR even because they are terrorists.
                      But specifically because they participated in an act of terrorism, and act of WAR against the US and its citizens.

                      𝐖𝐞𝐥𝐥 𝐦𝐲 𝐟𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐦𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐲 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐢𝐜𝐞𝐬 𝐬𝐚𝐲 𝟗/𝟏𝟏 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐝𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐠𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐜𝐤 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐨𝐮𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐞 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐝𝐫𝐚𝐰 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐨 𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐠, 𝐛𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐝𝐲, 𝐕𝐢𝐞𝐭𝐧𝐚𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐡 𝐰𝐚𝐫𝐬 – 𝐠𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚 𝐥𝐨𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐤𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐝 𝐨𝐧 𝐛𝐨𝐭𝐡 𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐬, 𝐝𝐢𝐯𝐢𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚 𝐩𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐨𝐬𝐨𝐩𝐡𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐲, 𝐟𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐕𝐀 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐢𝐧𝐣𝐮𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐨𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐝𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐚𝐫𝐬.

                      𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭’𝐬 𝐰𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐡𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐝.

                      𝐌𝐢𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐩𝐥𝐢𝐬𝐡𝐞𝐝.

                      That act of war justified removing the Taliban from power.
                      It does not justify the US dictating to Afghanistan the government they must have.

                      𝐖𝐄 𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐬𝐮𝐠𝐠𝐞𝐬𝐭, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐀𝐟𝐠𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧 𝐢𝐬 𝐚𝐬 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐜 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐮𝐧𝐠𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐚𝐬 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐭.

                      𝐓𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐢𝐭: 𝐂𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐡 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐨 𝐌𝐄𝐱𝐢𝐜𝐨 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐞 𝐮𝐩?

                      𝐍𝐨𝐭 𝐢𝐧 𝐚 𝐦𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬.

                      𝐀𝐟𝐠𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐦𝐨𝐬𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐌𝐢𝐝𝐝𝐥𝐞 𝐄𝐚𝐬𝐭 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐟𝐚𝐫 𝐦𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐧 𝐌𝐞𝐱𝐢𝐜𝐨.

                      𝐒𝐨 𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐞𝐟𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐦𝐨𝐬𝐭𝐥𝐲 𝐚 𝐰𝐚𝐬𝐭𝐞, 𝐚𝐥𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐢𝐭 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐠𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐦𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐲 𝐩𝐫𝐚𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐥, 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐛𝐚𝐭 𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐞 𝐠𝐨𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐦𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐜𝐚𝐬𝐞 𝐑𝐮𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐚 𝐨𝐫 𝐂𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐚 𝐚𝐜𝐭𝐬 𝐮𝐩.

                      If the Afghani people allow the Taliban to return to power – that is their business not ours.

                      𝐀𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐰? 𝐈 𝐝𝐨𝐧’𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐢𝐭’𝐬 𝐚 𝐦𝐚𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐨𝐟 𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐰.

                      And if they commit another act of war against the US we can remove them from power once again.
                      Though maybe next time we will focus on actually destroying the Taliban, rather than driving them into Pakistan and destabalizing an ally.

                      𝐏𝐚𝐤𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧 𝐢𝐬 𝐚 𝐜𝐨𝐫𝐫𝐮𝐩𝐭 𝐩𝐚𝐢𝐧 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐚𝐬𝐬 – 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐧𝐮𝐜𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐫 𝐰𝐞𝐚𝐩𝐨𝐧𝐬.

                      𝐑𝐞𝐚𝐝 𝐀 𝐏𝐫𝐨𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐋𝐚𝐧𝐝.

                      𝐖𝐞 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐥𝐞 𝐏𝐚𝐤𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐤𝐢𝐝 𝐠𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐬 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐧𝐮𝐤𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐛𝐞𝐬𝐞𝐭 𝐨𝐧 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐬 𝐛𝐲 𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐫𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐬.

                      𝐈𝐅 𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐬𝐞 𝐧𝐮𝐤𝐞𝐬 𝐠𝐞𝐭 𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐬𝐞, 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐥𝐝 𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐩𝐚𝐲.

                      “And it was all part of an exit strategy that worked.”
                      It did ? Both Libya and Syria remain a mess even today.

                      𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐚 𝐦𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐛𝐞𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐞, 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐚 𝐦𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐝𝐮𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲’𝐫𝐞 𝐚 𝐦𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐚𝐟𝐭𝐞𝐫.

                      𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐲’𝐥𝐥 𝐚𝐥𝐰𝐚𝐲𝐬 𝐛𝐞 𝐚 𝐦𝐞𝐬𝐬.

                      𝐈𝐒 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐲 𝐌𝐢𝐝𝐝𝐥𝐞 𝐄𝐚𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐧 𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐢𝐬𝐧’𝐭 𝐦𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐲?

                      𝐌𝐚𝐲𝐛𝐞 𝐔𝐀𝐄, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲’𝐫𝐞 𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐡.

                      “He wanted to rattle some cages and pick some people off while he had the men and machines available.”
                      So the US should kill people in other countries – while we have men and machines available to do so ?

                      𝐒𝐮𝐫𝐞, 𝐰𝐡𝐲 𝐧𝐨𝐭?

                      𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐲’𝐫𝐞 𝐤𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐞𝐚𝐜𝐡 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫.

                      𝐆𝐞𝐭 𝐬𝐨𝐦𝐞!

                      “But he got out of the true wars.”
                      We are still in Afghanistan and Iraq.

                      𝐌𝐚𝐫𝐠𝐢𝐧𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐲 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠.

                      “As fast as he could.”
                      Afghainstan is the longest US war EVER.
                      Bush started it. The goals were accomplished in about 90 days.
                      WE have been there almost 20 years.
                      Bush did not leave.
                      Obama did not leave
                      Trump tried and had the first real committment to leave – which Biden has renigged on.
                      Maybe Biden will leave – I doubt it, he is already stalling.

                      𝐖𝐞𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐨𝐟 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐦𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐛𝐞 𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐯𝐲 𝐭𝐨.

                      𝐌𝐚𝐲𝐛𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐓𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐛𝐚𝐧 𝐨𝐫 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐫𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭 𝐠𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐩𝐬 𝐰𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐠𝐞𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐬 𝐨𝐧 𝐧𝐮𝐜𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐫 𝐰𝐞𝐚𝐩𝐨𝐧𝐬.

                      𝐌𝐲 𝐟𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐢𝐜𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐮𝐫𝐩𝐢𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐧𝐨 𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐫𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐥𝐢𝐭 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐨𝐟𝐟 𝐢𝐧 𝐖𝐚𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐭𝐨𝐧 𝐃𝐂 𝐨𝐫 𝐍𝐞𝐰 𝐘𝐨𝐫𝐤.

                      𝐖𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐥𝐨𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐡𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐁𝐞𝐢𝐫𝐮𝐭, 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐚 𝐰𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐞 𝐈 𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐚 𝐬𝐮𝐢𝐭𝐜𝐚𝐬𝐞 𝐧𝐮𝐜𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐫 𝐰𝐞𝐚𝐩𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐰𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐟𝐟.

                      𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐮𝐫𝐞 𝐛𝐨𝐦𝐛: “𝟓𝟎𝟎 𝐭𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐓𝐍𝐓 𝐞𝐪𝐮𝐢𝐯𝐚𝐥𝐞𝐧𝐭, 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐚 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐮𝐩𝐩𝐞𝐫 𝐥𝐢𝐦𝐢𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝟏.𝟏 𝐤𝐢𝐥𝐨𝐭𝐨𝐧𝐬.”

                      𝐓𝐡𝐨𝐬𝐞 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐧𝐮𝐜𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐫 𝐧𝐮𝐦𝐛𝐞𝐫𝐬.

                      𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐨𝐟 𝐚 𝐬𝐮𝐢𝐭𝐜𝐚𝐬𝐞/𝐛𝐚𝐜𝐤𝐩𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐧𝐮𝐤𝐞? “𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐁-𝟓𝟒 “𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝟏𝟖 𝐢𝐧𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐚𝐥𝐥, 𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐚𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐥𝐮𝐦𝐢𝐧𝐮𝐦 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐟𝐢𝐛𝐞𝐫𝐠𝐥𝐚𝐬𝐬 𝐟𝐫𝐚𝐦𝐞. 𝐈𝐭 𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐚 𝐛𝐮𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐭 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐩𝐞 𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐞𝐧𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐚 𝟏𝟐-𝐢𝐧𝐜𝐡- 𝐝𝐢𝐚𝐦𝐞𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐥 𝐩𝐚𝐧𝐞𝐥 𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫. 𝐀𝐜𝐜𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐚𝐧 𝐀𝐫𝐦𝐲 𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐮𝐚𝐥, “𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐞𝐚𝐩𝐨𝐧’𝐬 𝐦𝐚𝐱𝐢𝐦𝐮𝐦 𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐥𝐨𝐬𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐲𝐢𝐞𝐥𝐝 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐧 𝟏 𝐤𝐢𝐥𝐨𝐭𝐨𝐧 — 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐢𝐬, 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐪𝐮𝐢𝐯𝐚𝐥𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐚 𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐓𝐍𝐓. 𝐓𝐨 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐭𝐞𝐜𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐛𝐨𝐦𝐛 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐮𝐧𝐚𝐮𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐳𝐞𝐝 𝐮𝐬𝐞, 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐒𝐀𝐃𝐌’𝐬 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐥 𝐩𝐚𝐧𝐞𝐥 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐬𝐞𝐚𝐥𝐞𝐝 𝐛𝐲 𝐚 𝐜𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐬𝐞𝐜𝐮𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐛𝐲 𝐚 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐛𝐢𝐧𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐥𝐨𝐜𝐤. 𝐆𝐥𝐨𝐰-𝐢𝐧-𝐭𝐡𝐞-𝐝𝐚𝐫𝐤 𝐩𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐭 𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐥𝐢𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐥𝐨𝐜𝐤 𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐰𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐨𝐩𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐮𝐧𝐥𝐨𝐜𝐤 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐛𝐨𝐦𝐛 𝐚𝐭 𝐧𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭.”

                      This is not ” as fast as anyone could”

                      𝐈𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐠𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐬 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐝𝐨𝐧’𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐨𝐧 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐥𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐀𝐟𝐠𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧 𝐫𝐞𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐨𝐬.

                      𝐌𝐚𝐲𝐛𝐞 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚 𝐝𝐨𝐞𝐬𝐧’𝐭 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐛𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐚𝐬 𝐢𝐧𝐧𝐨𝐜𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐥𝐚𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐛𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐓𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐛𝐚𝐧.

                      𝐌𝐚𝐲𝐛𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐚𝐧 𝐞𝐟𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐠𝐞𝐭 𝐬𝐮𝐢𝐭𝐜𝐚𝐬𝐞 𝐧𝐮𝐤𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐫 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐖𝐌𝐃.

                      𝐈𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐧𝐞𝐱𝐭 𝐝𝐨𝐨𝐫 𝐧𝐞𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐛𝐨𝐫 𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐮𝐜𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐟𝐮𝐭𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐚 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭, 𝐝𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐢𝐠𝐧𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭?

                      𝐍𝐨𝐩𝐞.

                      “Iraq and Afghanistan were all about payback for 9/11 and”
                      Afghanistan was justified by 9/11 and that goal was accomplished in 90 days.
                      So why did we stay another 20 years ?

                      𝐓𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐫𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐠𝐞 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐬𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐬𝐟𝐢𝐞𝐝 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐢𝐜𝐤𝐞𝐝 𝐨𝐟𝐟 𝐛𝐢𝐧 𝐋𝐚𝐝𝐞𝐧, 𝟏𝟎 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐚𝐟𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝟗/𝟏𝟏.

                      Iraq was purportedly justified by Sadam developing WMD’s – Iraq was NOT involved in 9/11,
                      There is no more justification to invading Iraq than North Korea, Iran, or Israel, or Pakistan or India – other countries that have or seek WMD’s.

                      𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐮𝐧𝐟𝐢𝐧𝐢𝐬𝐡𝐞𝐝 𝐛𝐮𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐈𝐫𝐚𝐪 𝐚𝐟𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐃𝐞𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐭 𝐒𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐦.

                      𝐖𝐞 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐟𝐢𝐧𝐢𝐬𝐡𝐞𝐝 𝐡𝐢𝐦 𝐨𝐟𝐟 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐢𝐫𝐬𝐭 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐞.

                      𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐦𝐲 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐟𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐧𝐝 – 𝐚 𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐦𝐞𝐫 𝐅𝐁𝐈 𝐚𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐛𝐞𝐞𝐧 𝐚 𝐬𝐩𝐲 𝐢𝐧 𝐑𝐮𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐚, 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐬 𝐚𝐧 𝐄𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐧𝐢𝐚𝐧 – 𝐠𝐨𝐭 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐚𝐜𝐭𝐬 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐭-𝐒𝐨𝐯𝐢𝐞𝐭 𝐑𝐮𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐚 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐬𝐮𝐢𝐭𝐜𝐚𝐬𝐞 𝐧𝐮𝐤𝐞𝐬 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐛𝐞𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐬𝐨𝐥𝐝 𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐛𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐤𝐞𝐭, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐇𝐮𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐢𝐧 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐫𝐲𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐮𝐲 𝐨𝐧𝐞.

                      𝐒𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐠𝐮𝐲 𝐟𝐥𝐞𝐰 𝐭𝐨 𝐑𝐮𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐚 𝐚𝐬 𝐩𝐚𝐫𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐚 𝐍𝐄𝐒𝐓 (𝐍𝐮𝐜𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐫 𝐄𝐱𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐒𝐞𝐜𝐮𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐓𝐞𝐚𝐦) 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐟𝐢𝐬𝐜𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐚 𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐬𝐞 𝐧𝐮𝐤𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐞𝐝 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐈𝐫𝐚𝐪.

                      𝐇𝐮𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐢𝐧 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐜𝐫𝐚𝐳𝐲 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐚𝐩𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐚𝐧𝐲𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠, 𝐬𝐨 𝐡𝐞, 𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐓𝐞𝐱𝐚𝐧𝐬 𝐬𝐚𝐲: “𝐍𝐞𝐞𝐝𝐞𝐝 𝐤𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐧'”

                      𝐁𝐮𝐬𝐡𝟒𝟑 𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐩𝐥𝐢𝐬𝐡𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐨𝐧 𝐡𝐢𝐦.

                      “Bin laden was killed May 2, 2011”
                      Good, What took so long ?

                      𝐂𝐚𝐮𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧.

                      𝐁𝐮𝐬𝐡 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐞𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐤𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐡𝐢𝐦, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐟𝐚𝐢𝐥𝐞𝐝.

                      𝐎𝐛𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐩𝐮𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐠𝐠𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐤𝐞𝐝 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐲, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐠𝐨𝐭 𝐡𝐢𝐦 𝐭𝐡𝐫𝐞𝐞 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐨 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐲.

                      𝐈𝐟 𝐎𝐛𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐧𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐞𝐥𝐬𝐞 𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐥𝐨𝐭𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐥𝐨𝐭𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝.

                      Bin Laden was killed in a compound in Pakistan – an Ally. Not in Afghanistan or Iraq.
                      US Troops were not looking for Bin Laden in either Pakistan or Iraq.

                      𝐏𝐚𝐤𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧 𝐢𝐬𝐧’𝐭 𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐲.

                      𝐏𝐚𝐤𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧 𝐢𝐬 𝐚 𝐟𝐮𝐜𝐤𝐞𝐝 𝐮𝐩 𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐢𝐧 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐧𝐮𝐜𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐫 𝐰𝐞𝐚𝐩𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐰𝐞 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐤𝐞𝐞𝐩 𝐚𝐧 𝐞𝐲𝐞 𝐨𝐧.

                      𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐚𝐥𝐞𝐫𝐭 𝐏𝐚𝐤𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐛𝐢𝐧 𝐋𝐚𝐝𝐞𝐧 𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐛𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐨𝐟 𝐚 𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐝, 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐔𝐧𝐜𝐥𝐞 𝐒𝐚𝐦 𝐝𝐨𝐞𝐬𝐧’𝐭 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐏𝐚𝐤𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐲 𝐟𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐧 𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐫𝐨𝐰 𝐏𝐚𝐤𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧.

                      𝐓𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐲.

                      𝐓𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐚 𝐟𝐮𝐜𝐤𝐞𝐝 𝐮𝐩 𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐢𝐧 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐥 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐤𝐞𝐞𝐩 𝐚𝐧 𝐞𝐲𝐞 𝐨𝐧.

                      “The killing of bin Laden satisfied America’s blood lust for revenge”

                      Then we should have invaded Pakistan – not Iraq or Afghanistan.
                      Bin Laden had been in Pakistant for a decade when he was killed – and we knew that.
                      Obama knew that.

                      𝐈 𝐝𝐨𝐧’𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐎𝐛𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐤𝐧𝐞𝐰 𝐚𝐬 𝐦𝐮𝐜𝐡 𝐚𝐬 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐢𝐝.

                      𝐘𝐨𝐮 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐝 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐍𝐞𝐰 𝐘𝐨𝐫𝐤𝐞𝐫 𝐩𝐢𝐞𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐛𝐢𝐧 𝐋𝐚𝐝𝐞𝐧 𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐝.

                      𝐡𝐭𝐭𝐩𝐬://𝐰𝐰𝐰.𝐧𝐞𝐰𝐲𝐨𝐫𝐤𝐞𝐫.𝐜𝐨𝐦/𝐦𝐚𝐠𝐚𝐳𝐢𝐧𝐞/𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟏/𝟎𝟖/𝟎𝟖/𝐠𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠-𝐛𝐢𝐧-𝐥𝐚𝐝𝐞𝐧

                      𝐎𝐛𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐲 𝐨𝐩𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐛𝐢𝐧 𝐋𝐚𝐝𝐞𝐧 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐝 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐠𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐝𝐨𝐰𝐧, 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐧’𝐭 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐬𝐮𝐫𝐞 𝐛𝐢𝐧 𝐋𝐚𝐝𝐞𝐧 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐩𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐝 𝐮𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐥 𝐰𝐞 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐭 𝐡𝐢𝐦 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐲𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐨𝐨𝐤 𝐩𝐡𝐨𝐭𝐨𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐃𝐍𝐀.

                    5. “𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐂𝐢𝐯𝐢𝐥 𝐖𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐋𝐢𝐛𝐲𝐚 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐒𝐲𝐫𝐢𝐚.
                      𝐖𝐡𝐲 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐔𝐧𝐜𝐥𝐞 𝐒𝐚𝐦 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞?
                      𝐓𝐨 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐪𝐮𝐞𝐫? 𝐓𝐨 𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐥𝐨𝐢𝐭?
                      𝐍𝐨, 𝐭𝐨 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐬𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐰𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐩 𝐠𝐚𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐛𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐞𝐥 𝐛𝐨𝐦𝐛𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐜𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐳𝐞𝐧𝐫𝐲.
                      𝐆𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐃𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐜𝐫𝐚𝐜𝐲 𝐚 𝐟𝐨𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐥𝐝.”

                      Not our job. The US is not the policeman for the world. We had no business in Libya or Syria. PERIOD.

                      “𝐍𝐚𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐝𝐨𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐝, 𝐲𝐞𝐬, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐰𝐞𝐥𝐥-𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐝.”
                      The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

                      Though Obama’s actions were not Naive, they were just wrong.

                      “𝐖𝐞𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐥𝐚𝐛𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐬 “𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐫𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐬”:”

                      Of course they were – we all fall over ourselves to label those we oppose as terrorists.
                      That stops people from thinking.

                      “𝐋𝐢𝐛𝐲𝐚 𝐢𝐬 𝐚𝐥𝐰𝐚𝐲𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐨𝐬. 𝐁𝐞𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐆𝐚𝐝𝐚𝐟𝐟𝐢, 𝐝𝐮𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐆𝐚𝐝𝐚𝐟𝐟𝐢, 𝐚𝐟𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐆𝐚𝐝𝐚𝐟𝐟𝐢.”
                      False. I suspect that absent US intervention Gadaffi was still doomed.
                      That does not justify our involvement.
                      Regardless, the choas in libya – the entire Arab Spring, was the consequence of the Great recession and subsequent monetary failures.

                      Much of the mideast had been improving for a long time. But Post great recession US monetary policies caused skyrocketing grain prices accross the world – and these hit particularly har in the mideast.

                      People who see the cost of food skyrocket tend to be revoltuionary.

                      “𝐖𝐡𝐲?
                      𝐁𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲’𝐫𝐞 𝐚 𝐦𝐨𝐛 𝐨𝐟 𝐁𝐞𝐝𝐨𝐮𝐢𝐧 𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐬 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐜𝐚𝐧’𝐭 𝐚𝐝𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝟐𝟏𝐬𝐭 𝐂𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐲.
                      𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐜𝐚𝐩𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐠𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐯𝐞𝐬 𝐡𝐮𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐞𝐥𝐲 𝐬𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐝, 𝐤𝐢𝐥𝐥, 𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐞, 𝐛𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐞𝐥 𝐛𝐨𝐦𝐛, 𝐠𝐚𝐬.
                      𝐈𝐭’𝐬 𝐧𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐠𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐠𝐞, 𝐧𝐨 𝐦𝐚𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐰𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐔𝐧𝐜𝐥𝐞 𝐒𝐚𝐦 𝐝𝐨𝐞𝐬.”

                      This is a bunch of racist nonsense.
                      The only part you have right – is that it is NOT ANY OF OUR BUSINESS.

                      “𝐇𝐞 𝐦𝐚𝐝𝐞 𝐚 𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐤𝐞.
                      𝐎𝐛𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐚𝐝𝐦𝐢𝐭𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭.
                      𝐇𝐞 𝐰𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐝𝐢𝐬𝐜𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐒𝐲𝐫𝐢𝐚 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐧𝐨 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐥.
                      𝐒𝐨 𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡𝐝𝐫𝐞𝐰 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐥𝐞𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦 𝐤𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐞𝐚𝐜𝐡 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫.”

                      He made a mistake involving bombs and guns and war.
                      That is not a little thing.
                      Worse he made a predictable mistake.

                      “𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐬𝐞 𝐩𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐫𝐚𝐩𝐡𝐬 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐀𝐭𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐜 𝐬𝐮𝐦 𝐢𝐭 𝐮𝐩 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐲 𝐰𝐞𝐥𝐥:”

                      Yea, it does – Obama’s worst mistake according to him – was everyone else’s fault.

                      When you use guns and bombs – you had better know what you are doing.

                      “𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐲’𝐫𝐞 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦 𝐬𝐜𝐫𝐞𝐰𝐞𝐝 𝐮𝐩: 𝐑𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐠𝐢𝐨𝐮𝐬, 𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐛𝐚𝐥, 𝐛𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐝𝐲, 𝐰𝐚𝐫-𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐢𝐧𝐠, 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐜.”
                      Then stay out of it.

                      “𝐓𝐡𝐚𝐭’𝐬 𝐰𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐎𝐛𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐥𝐬 𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐞𝐝”

                      They did not “learn” they “relearned” – the general results were predictable.

                      “𝐘𝐞𝐚𝐡 𝐬𝐜𝐫𝐞𝐰 𝐢𝐭, 𝐥𝐞𝐭’𝐬 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐛𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐚𝐭𝐜𝐡 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐬𝐥𝐚𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐞𝐚𝐜𝐡 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫.
                      𝐖𝐚𝐭𝐜𝐡 𝐛𝐚𝐛𝐢𝐞𝐬 𝐠𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐛𝐚𝐫𝐛𝐞𝐪𝐮𝐞𝐝.”

                      You seem to think that the US is the world’s policemen.

                      In Afghanistan the Taliban – in the past and today is ruthless and brutal and sometimes sponsor’s terrorism.

                      Yet, Obama, Trump, and Biden have all sought to strike a deal with them. It is near certain that the Taliban will end up governing Afghanistan when we leave – lust as they did 20 years ago.

                      “𝐇𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐟𝐮𝐥𝐥𝐲 𝐁𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐮𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐫𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐅𝐨𝐫𝐜𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐲𝐛𝐞𝐫 𝐜𝐚𝐦𝐩𝐚𝐢𝐠𝐧𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐎𝐛𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐞𝐝.
                      𝐈𝐧𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐢𝐯𝐞, 𝐞𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐯𝐞. 𝐒𝐢𝐥𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐥𝐲.”
                      Those were started by Bush and are of dubious effectiveness.

                      “𝐓𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐢𝐭: 𝐂𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐡 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐨 𝐌𝐄𝐱𝐢𝐜𝐨 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐞 𝐮𝐩?”

                      No, but the fundimentally problem is not that we could or couldn’t.
                      It is that we have no moral basis to do so.

                      “𝐒𝐨 𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐞𝐟𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐦𝐨𝐬𝐭𝐥𝐲 𝐚 𝐰𝐚𝐬𝐭𝐞”
                      You are incredibly lackadaisical and forgiving of that – when it suits you,.

                      Trillions in treasure were spent, thousands of US lives and hundreds of thousands of other lives – all predictably. All without justification.
                      And your response is “oh, well, Obama had good intentions”

                      Obama did not start this. He did not end this – but he was an active participant in an immoral act.
                      There is no good intentions excuse.

                      If the Afghani people allow the Taliban to return to power – that is their business not ours.
                      “𝐀𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐰? 𝐈 𝐝𝐨𝐧’𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐢𝐭’𝐬 𝐚 𝐦𝐚𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐨𝐟 𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐰.”
                      It is exactly that. The only way Afghanistan gets good government is when the afghani’s want it.

                      “𝐏𝐚𝐤𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧 𝐢𝐬 𝐚 𝐜𝐨𝐫𝐫𝐮𝐩𝐭 𝐩𝐚𝐢𝐧 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐚𝐬𝐬 – 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐧𝐮𝐜𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐫 𝐰𝐞𝐚𝐩𝐨𝐧𝐬.”
                      Not that can reach the US.
                      Further they are toe to toe with a nuclear India.

                      “𝐖𝐞𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐨𝐟 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐦𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐛𝐞 𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐯𝐲 𝐭𝐨.”
                      If there are good reasons the american people are ENTITLED to know.

                      This is OUR government – not that of the elites.

                      You know enough about Weapon’s to be dangerous to yourself and others.

                      US Suitcase Nukes are well secured. Russian weapons are much larger.

                      The technology for a suitcase nuke is still far out of reach of much of the world.

                      Only the US and Russia (maybe China) have hydrogen bombs – though Israel probably does, and North Korea is close.

                      Only the US, Russian and China have ICBM’s. Other Nuclear Powers have IRBM’s at best.

                      A Ryder Truck full of diesel and fertilizer packs a Wallop – are you old enough to remember the OKC bombing ?

                      There are myriads of ways of terrorising large numbers of people – should anyone wish to do so.

                      “𝐈𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐠𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐬 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐝𝐨𝐧’𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐨𝐧 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐥𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐀𝐟𝐠𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧 𝐫𝐞𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐨𝐬.”

                      Actually it is not. We have heard this nonsense for almost a century, It has never been true.
                      The real threats in the world are well known and our intelligence agencies track record sucks.

                      Are you old enough to know that The current Iranian regime is the consequence of failed US actions 70 years ago ?

                      “𝐌𝐚𝐲𝐛𝐞 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚 𝐝𝐨𝐞𝐬𝐧’𝐭 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐛𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐚𝐬 𝐢𝐧𝐧𝐨𝐜𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐥𝐚𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐛𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐓𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐛𝐚𝐧.”
                      Then go fight yourself – no one is stopping you.

                      But you do not have the right to sacrifice others where significant american interests are not at stake.

                      “𝐌𝐚𝐲𝐛𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐚𝐧 𝐞𝐟𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐠𝐞𝐭 𝐬𝐮𝐢𝐭𝐜𝐚𝐬𝐞 𝐧𝐮𝐤𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐫 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐖𝐌𝐃.”
                      Of course there is, but that is nontrivial.

                      Regardless, say you magically get a Suitcase Nuke in Afghanistan. What are you going to do with it ?
                      Do you understand how difficult it is to move arround large amounts of nuclear material covertly?

                      “𝐈𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐧𝐞𝐱𝐭 𝐝𝐨𝐨𝐫 𝐧𝐞𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐛𝐨𝐫 𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐮𝐜𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐟𝐮𝐭𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐚 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭, 𝐝𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐢𝐠𝐧𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭?”

                      If you are worried about your neighbor – you are not free to invade and kill him.

                      “𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐦𝐲 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐟𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐧𝐝”
                      You have a lot of stupid friends – and tall tales.

                      The FBI is barred from spying outside the US as the CIA is barred inside.

                      “𝐈 𝐝𝐨𝐧’𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐎𝐛𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐤𝐧𝐞𝐰 𝐚𝐬 𝐦𝐮𝐜𝐡 𝐚𝐬 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐢𝐝.”
                      Then he was not free to act.

                      Bill Clinton had the oportunity to Get Bin Laden in the 90’s and balked.

                    6. And the real truth is America is too moral and doesn’t have the will to fight and win a war the old-fashioned way: Kill the shit out of everyone they can until the other side gives up.

                      America defanged and demilitarized Japan and Germany.

                      Could we not do the same to the Middle East if we really wanted to?

                      Probably, but Uncle Sam just isn’t into fire-bombing Dresden or nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki, so these wars have no real conclusion.

                    7. “And the real truth is America is too moral and doesn’t have the will to fight and win a war the old-fashioned way: Kill the shit out of everyone they can until the other side gives up.”

                      God save us all from idiots.

                      WWII and atomic weapons ushered in a new era of Mass destruction.
                      There was no real limit to the power of a nuclear weapon. The Russians tested a 200MegaTon weapon.

                      In the 60’s the US recogzed that it made no sense at all to keep making bigger weapons.
                      How many times do you need to obliterate the entire planet ?

                      And started focusing on targeting. Instead of bigger weapons the US sought to build smaller more accurate weapons.
                      Why wipe out a nation when wiping out a nuclear silo was sufficient.

                      This work progressed for decades – through to today, and has been driving the US military for a long long time.

                      US Forces in GWI were approximately equivalent in numbers to Sadam’s. Bujt we had greater accuracy and greater range.

                      Still that was the last Traditional War the US is ever likely to fight.

                      GWII saw far smaller US forces with even greater accuracy take out a much larger force rapidly.

                      There are now US man carried Sniper weapons that can take out a Tank from more than a mile away.

                      It is highly unlikely that the US will fight a war anytime soon with hundreds of thousands of troops facing each other.

                      “America defanged and demilitarized Japan and Germany.
                      Could we not do the same to the Middle East if we really wanted to?”

                      We did not defang Japan and Germany. We defeated them and they CHOSE a different future.

                      “Probably, but Uncle Sam just isn’t into fire-bombing Dresden or nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki, so these wars have no real conclusion.”
                      You really have no clue about current US weapons.

                      An F15 carried more payload than a B29 Super fortress.
                      Further we now have cluster smart munitions where a single “bomb” can realease dozens of smart bomblets – each fo which can select and take out a tank.

                      We have “bunker buster” Bombs that have power equivaent to small nukes and we have used them.
                      We have Fuel Air bombs that are also equivalent to small nukes – but for area denial rather than penatration and we have used them.

                      You noted Drones – all sizes From hand held to small bomber sized. They are cheaper than fighters and no soldiers are ever at risk.

                      There are only two hostile nations on earth that we could not easily take out their government anytime we want – Russia and China.
                      Those are also the only two we could not invade.

                      The DOD war plan for invading Iran would have taken 90 days and 3 times the casulties of Iraq. That is about half the causulties of Iwo Jima. And that was a relatively traditional military excercise.

                      But the american people are unlikely to be willing to see 15,000 US causualties to neuter Iran.
                      And they are likely right in that.

                      Though I would note that calculus would change in an instant should any enemy ever lob a nuke at the US.

                      You worry about beligerant foreign powers. If North Korea launched a Nuke at the US – it has only a tiny percent chance of actually harming americans. Between THAD – which is upgraded AEGIS which I worked on a couple of decades ago, and our ABM system, and NK guidance and payload problems the odds of a NK nuke reaching the US are slim to none.

                      But lobbing one will me the end of North Korea.

                      Any nation actually hitting the US would immediately change the US peoples intolerance of US military causualties.

                      There is ZERO doubt that the US could defend Taiwan from China if we wanted to.
                      The only doubt is whether the US people would tolerate the worst case casualities.

                      In 2005 the US deliberately sunk the aged super carrier USS america. The america is significantly inferior to all current US Carriers, but far superior to everything any other nation in the world has. The US probably has over 40 super carriers most in mothballs all superior to every single other aircraft carrier int he world.

                      Regardless, it took 4 weeks to sink the America. The sip proved remarkably hard to sink – even unmanned, undefended against the best weapons the US had at the time. But the purpose of the excercise was to improve the survivability of future US carriers – the entire Reagan class has benefited from what was learned.

                      In any conflict with China – such as over Taiwan, the determining factor will be US carriers ability to operate close to China.
                      The greater the distance we must withdraw the greater the balance tips to China.

                      China’s lone aircraft Carrier is completely inconsequential and would not likely survive the first day of any conflict.

                      But the US would be defending Tiawan primarily from the sea against land based Chinese aircraft.

                      American aircraft are superior in range and payload, and experience, and tactics. But significantly inferior in numbers.

                      Any fight for Tiawan will be similar to the WWII Battle of Britain. So long as the Chinese can not gain air superiority any invasion attempt would be a blood bath.

                      The big “threat” is from Chinese hypersonic antiship weapons. These have large numbers of weaknesses – but the chinese have large numbers of them. The odds of a “lucky hit” in a protracted conflict, are high despite the imbalance of power and technology between the US and China.

                      The other threat is Chinese submarines. This too is mostly a “luck” scenario.

                      It is unlikely that the Chinese could take out a US carrier with a single hit. But even a single hit would have high casualties, significant prestige costs, and could undermine (or harden) US support.

                      And Tiawan is highly unlikely to survive an attack by China without US suport – though Casulties on the Chinese side would be massive.

                      Regardless, any such conflict would be unlike anything the world has seen in a long time. It would be nothing like our fights in the Gulf.

                      It would most resemble WWII in the pacific – except that the US would be playing mostly Defense.

                      The US navy would be pivital. We have not seen a real naval conflict since WWII.

                      There are only 3 nations in the world with real navies that know how to fight them – it takes a century to build a navy and learn to fight it.
                      Those nations are Japan, England and the US. That is it. There are other navies – China, India, France, Russia, But none of these have fought a naval war in a century. Outside of England the US has the longest fighting naval tradition in history.

                      The Russians had a formidable submarine force in a different era, but not an actual navy. Today I am not sure they can put anything to sea.

                    8. “The US navy would be pivital. We have not seen a real naval conflict since WWII.”

                      John, this statement reminds me of an earlier conversation we had with regard to the navy. I am purposely being obscure to deter any prolonged discussion with anyone on this subject. Your mind is good enough to remember what was said. You are echoing my basic premise of that discussion.

                    9. “You two geniuses should be running the country, not Biden and Harris.”

                      Ben, thanks for the compliment. I would not choose myself or John to run the country but I would choose a blend of our philosophies. We look towards freedom while you look in the direction of fascistic dictatorships.

                      SM

                    10. “Yeah right, Trump was a wannabe dictator, which is why he kissed the asses of Putin and Rocketman.

                      Trump wanted absolute power but was too dumb to handle it.”

                      Can you cite a single instance in which Trump acted outside the constitution ?

                      I would stay that I can – but every unconstitutional Act I can pin on Trump is something that presidents have done done for a century.

                      Did Trump sic the IRA on his enemies – no that was Obama – and aparently now Biden.

                      Did Trump have the FBI and CIA spy on citizens, reporters, enemies ? No that was Obama.

                      Did Trump weaponize DOJ and FBI against his political enemies ? No that was Obama and now Biden.

                      Did Trump refuse to enforce the laws that we have – such as immigration laws ? No that was Obama and now Biden.

                      Let us presume your idiotic claim about kissing up to Putin and Kim was true – who would that make Trump a dictator.

                      I have problems with Trump – but he is about the least “dictatorial” president we have had since Coolidge.

                      NEarly all the lefts criticism of Trump is badly spun misquotes of what he says. Not what he has done.
                      the left does not most attack Trump for “doing things” , but for NOT doing things.

                    11. “You two geniuses should be running the country, not Biden and Harris.

                      You’d do an even more bangup job than Trump and Pence, you would.”

                      “It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it… anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”

                      Douglas Adams

                      My only interest in politics is returning to limited constitutional government.

                      When government is properly limited to its legitimate domain – we can each focus on managing our own lives – not the nation.
                      Those in power will have little power – so we can ignore them.
                      Few people would vote – there would be little reason to do so. Limited Constitutional government is no threat.

                  2. Biden’s Covid policies, aside from mask-shaming, are just following Trump’s plans already in place. Neither Joe Biden nor Kamala Harris actually “leads” anything related to the pandemic. Joe Biden wears two and three masks at a time — even on video conference calls. That is what Joe Biden actually *does* different from Trump’s policies.

                    1. Amen and Awomen.

                      I would further note that nearly everything that the left, the experts, the media, has claimed regarding Covid and policy has been self evidently false since the start – and incredibly slowly “the experts” are quietly changing their claims.

                      Faucci just stated that in light of recent studies Masks are not of benefit outside.

                      This has ALWAYS been true – it did not suddenly become true.
                      All that has changed is that there is even MORE data to prove it.

                      Democratic Governors spent the entire last year of the Trump presidency destroying their own economies and torturing their own people.
                      Now that Trump is no longer president – those destructive policies are being abandoned. Depite infection and death rates that are higher than during Trump.

                      They do not work now – they did not work then.

                      All of this was foreseable. That is the shame. That is the crime.

                      We are seeing the inevitable failure of left wing nut statist policies.

                      What is criminal is that we have actually rewarded those who pushed them and punished those who opposed.

                      This BTW is typical – and has been for decades.

                      We are still drowning in nonsense over myriads of different malthusian claims that have all failed.

                      But those selling those debunked claims – STILL occupy positions of power and respect.
                      While those who repeatedly told us this was bunk remain at the fringes.

                      When we reward failure and punish success we should not expect the world to improve.

                    2. Nearly the entire Biden campaign was premised on the claim that it was possible to do better than Trump.

                      Aside from a tiny bit of virtue signalling Biden has not done anything different from Trump.
                      If anything – Biden is doing worse.

                      Trump is out actively encouraging people to get vaccinated.
                      Biden continues to push masks.

              2. “Obama didn’ completely fail to pull out of Afghanistan.”
                Actually he did.

                What are you 3 that you can not remember ?

                “If he’d had his way,”
                He was president.

                I have no problem with criticizing Trump for listening to “the generals” and neocons. and not getting out sooner, and leaving the last bits to Biden.

                Obama was worse.

                “America would have been out of the Middle East 100% because Obama recognized it’s all a giant waste of time, money and lives.”
                Which is why he STARTED new wars in the mid east ?

                “Afghanistan is never going to change, so let’s just pull up the drawbridge and leave them to it.”
                Whether Afghanistan changes is up to the afgans – not us.

                “Obama was probably prevented by voices warning him of terrorist camps and genocide.”
                Again Obama is president – as Harry Truman said – “The Buck stops here” – it is Obama’s job to figure out they were full of $chiff.

                “Trump never listened to anyone and could have done what he wanted but he didn’t touch Afghanistan.”
                More accurately – Trump figured out he was being BS’d and actually got out.
                Yes, he did “touch” afghanistan. we were nearly out – with the last troops to leave in April 2021. Biden has delayed that.

                “I watched “The Outpost” again last night which was, in microcosm, indicative of how doomed and deadly Afghanistan was and always will be.”

                TV is not reality.

        2. I don’t think many have to wonder which other Anonymous names this guy has used in the recent time frame. Quite a few. One can tell with some degree of certainty that he belongs to the Arrogant, Stupid class though not the Anonymous the Stupid figure that is here 24/7.

          1. Don’t know who these people are but they are, as Texans say “All eat up with the dumbass.”

            There is no excuse for any American to be that dumb.

              1. Yeah here I am wasting my time responding to a bunch of proles who have their heads stuck in the sand… Or elsewhere.

                If only all the tlTrumpers had committed ritual seppuku after he was removed from office.

                The average IQ of America would have jumped about 30 points.

                1. “Yeah here I am wasting my time responding to a bunch of proles who have their heads stuck in the sand… Or elsewhere.

                  If only all the tlTrumpers had committed ritual seppuku after he was removed from office.

                  The average IQ of America would have jumped about 30 points.”

                  The average IQ of Conservatives is about 2 pts lower than those on the left.
                  The average IQ of libertarians is 20 pts higher than those on the left.

                  Regardless, you are the one who keeps spewing easily disprovable nonsense.

        3. Your remarks regarding Biden are evidence of your delusional state.

          Trump has an actual record of success – Biden has not been president 100 days yet and he has been an abysmal failure. ‘

          When during the Trump administration was Russia actually threatening Ukraine ? When was China actually threatening Tiawan ? Even Japan ?

          Biden seems desparate to revive the Stupid Obama deal with the greatest fomentor of Terrorism in the world – on their terms.

          Why ? Is he actively looking to piss off the entire rest of the Mid east ? About the only good news is that it will likely drive many Arab countries closer to Israel – because without the US they are an insufficient block to Iran’s ambitions without Israel.

          Biden is risking unilateral military action by Israel against Iran – for israel this is a matter of survival. And it is likely that the Saudi’s will atleast turn a blind eye.

          The world was inarguably safer with Trump as president than either Biden or Obama – or Bush for that matter.

          For the most part the war mongers were put in their place.

          So what is it you think Biden has accomplished ?

          How has Biden made america great ?

          And why are you trying to co-opt a slogan you do not even beleive ?

          The left – YOU, think this country is a racist mysoginist nation of the worst hateful hating haters in the world.

          You seem to think that the country in which poor minorities from arround the world are dying to get in is more racist than when Wilson screened Birth of a Nation in the whitehouse. When there were actual lynching’s nearly every day.

          You seem to think that the US is more racist than Rwanda – where the Hutu’s murdered 850,000 Tutsi’s in less than 90 days mostly with Machette’s.

          Or than China were Uigher’s are being worked to death as slaves in possibly the millions – in the 21st century.

          And you lie constantly to push false meme – fatal 3 times over levels of narcotics are ignored to push false naratives, as is terminal heart disease and blood oxygen levels that falsify claims of suffocation – but the left must have its blood.

          Your bloodlust is boundless.

          Violent crime has always been much higher in the cities that YOU run. Now it is about twice as high – and still rising.
          Inarguably YOU are responsible for that.

          I noted some things that Trump accomplished in the area of foreign policy.

          Beyond that he proved that 2-3% growth was possible and sustainable – under Obama we were told sub 2% growth was the best that could be done.

          He increased standard of living and employment – and more importantly he did so for those at the bottom – who Biden has STILL done nothing for.

          Americans do not need a hand out. They just need government to get out of the way.

          American greatness has NEVER come from our government. It comes from our PEOPLE – on their own.
          They do not need help from government. They need government to quit making getting ahead harder.

          Or you could look to the southern border. Biden has failed so badly – you can not tell from day to day – what the Biden admin will say.
          It is a crisis, it isn’t. We need to finish the wall, we do not. There are children in cages – there are not.

          Now as I understand the government is trying to dump tens of thousands of unaccompanied minors into Foster Care.
          Trump managed to re-unite all but a handful of kids whose parents refused to take them back.
          We are now talking about 10’s of thousands of minors.

          Biden noted correctly – that many of them are not “children” – though the 5 year old wandering in the desert and the tolders hurled into the country were definitely children. Regardless, Biden is correct – Cartels are using Biden’s weakness to push thousands of teenage foot soldiers into the country. That will certainly make things better. That will reduce crime and violence – NOT.

          And honestly – is Biden even president ? No one really knows who is running the country – it certainly is not Biden.

          You say Democrats “clean it up” – what have they cleaned up ?
          They ran a disasterous lawless election that has not only eroded the trust of americans but made us look like fools accross the world.

          No other consequential nation has mailin elections – they are too corrupt and the world knows it – but you do not.

          The democrat’s moto is not MAGA it is MABR – Make America a Bannana Republic.

          From the get go Democrats are threatening idiotic changes tot he entire country – that even other democrats can not choke down.

          After the 2020 election – key democrats in the house told the party “NEVER mention socialism again”
          – and you have ignored them.

          Getting out of afghanistan is such a great Idea the US should have done so 90 days after were chased the Taliban out.

          Bush did not do it, Obama did not do it. Trump actually finally committed to it and worked towards it, and but for lies and resistance from neocons and the military would have done it. Biden is waffling – and as is typically can not bother to finish something that is an excellent idea that is highly popular – merely because Trump started it.

          Absolutely Bush43 was a poor president – almost as Bad as Obama. No democrats did not fix a republican mess.
          They presided over the longenst and weakest recovery since the great depression – the other instance in which democrats thought government intervention would make things better.

          The economy fixed itself with active interferance from Democrats.
          The economy ALWAYS fixes itself.

          Obama took the economy from 14.7T to 18T – in 8 years. Trump took it fro, 18T to 21.5T in 3 years. Then had the worst pandemic since 1918 and STILL ended the year with a 21T economy.

          Trump had the worst single quarter downturn in US history AND the best single quarter upturn in US history.
          He presided over a 33% economic decline WITHOUT having a recession. Can you name any president ever who has come even close to that ?

          the great recession was a 4.3% economic decline – spread over 6 months. It took Obama almost 4 years to fully recover.
          It took Trump one quarter to recover from a disaster that was 8 times worse.

          Bush averaged 2.2% growth over 8 years
          Obama averaged 1.6% growth over 8 years
          Trump averaged 1.9% growth over 4 years – and 2.5% over his first 3 years.

          If you care about charity – give as much as you want to whoever you want – that is your business.
          Charity is not the business of govenrment, and it is horribly bad at it.

          As to your “constitutional” claims – what the 43ll hare they ?

          More so than any president in the past 20 years Trump followed the actual constitution.
          He did not make up laws from thin air.
          He upheld the laws we actually have – such as the immigration laws, rather than making up the laws he prefered we would have.

          Something like 85% of the country would like immigration reform. We are not agreed on what that should be. But we are agreed that we need it. That our current laws are broken.

          Obama had the chance for a bipartisan deal. Instead he decided to go it alone.
          Trump fought to get a bipartisan deal – but democrats did not want a deal – AGAIN.
          Biden is again off doing his own thing.

          But neither Biden nor Obama upheld the actual laws as they are.

          It is the obligation of every president and every member of govenrment to uphold the laws and constitution of the united states.
          Not the laws and constitution they WISH we had, but the actual ones that we do have.

          Congress with the consent of the president can change the laws, and congress and the states can change the constitution.

          But the president must uphold the laws and constitution we have.

          That is a fundimental difference between left and right.

          The right seeks the rule of law.
          The left – the rule of man.
          The latter always ends badly.

          1. Your remarks regarding Biden are evidence of your delusional state.

            𝐎𝐡 𝐆𝐨𝐝, 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐠𝐚𝐢𝐧. 𝐎𝐤𝐚𝐲, 𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐰𝐞 𝐠𝐨.

            Trump has an actual record of success –

            𝐑𝐞𝐜𝐨𝐫𝐝 𝐨𝐟 𝐬𝐮𝐜𝐜𝐞𝐬𝐬 = 𝟓𝟎𝟎,𝟎𝟎𝟎+ 𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐝 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧𝐬.

            𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐞𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐨𝐦𝐲 𝐥𝐨𝐬𝐭 𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬.

            𝐓𝐞𝐧𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐦𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧𝐬 𝐨𝐧 𝐮𝐧𝐞𝐦𝐩𝐥𝐨𝐲𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭.

            𝐍𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐝𝐞𝐛𝐭 𝐢𝐧𝐜𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐞𝐝 %𝟑𝟔.

            𝐓𝐡𝐚𝐭’𝐬 𝐬𝐮𝐜𝐜𝐞𝐬𝐬?

            𝐘𝐨𝐮 𝐛𝐞𝐭 𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐂𝐡𝐢𝐞𝐟𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐆𝐨𝐧𝐳𝐚𝐠𝐚, 𝐝𝐢𝐝𝐧’𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮?

            Biden has not been president 100 days yet and he has been an abysmal failure. ‘

            𝐁𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧 𝐡𝐚𝐬𝐧’𝐭 𝐛𝐞𝐞𝐧 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐠 𝐞𝐧𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞 𝐚 𝐬𝐮𝐜𝐜𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐨𝐫 𝐚 𝐟𝐚𝐢𝐥𝐮𝐫𝐞.

            𝐇𝐞 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐝𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐚 𝐠𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭 𝐣𝐨𝐛 𝐨𝐟 𝐫𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐯𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐢𝐧𝐟𝐫𝐚𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐜𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐣𝐨𝐛𝐬 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐚𝐥 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐞 𝐌𝐀𝐆𝐀.

            When during the Trump administration was Russia actually threatening Ukraine ?

            𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐩 𝐤𝐢𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐏𝐮𝐭𝐢𝐧’𝐬 𝐚𝐬𝐬 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐨𝐭.

            𝐋𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐭𝐫𝐲𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐰𝐞𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐚𝐥𝐤 𝐑𝐮𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐚 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐆𝟕.

            𝐒𝐨 𝐑𝐮𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐚 𝐜𝐨𝐨𝐥𝐞𝐝 𝐢𝐭.

            𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐟𝐮𝐥𝐥𝐲 𝐔𝐧𝐜𝐥𝐞 𝐒𝐚𝐦 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐮𝐩 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐔𝐤𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐠𝐨 𝐤𝐢𝐜𝐤 𝐬𝐨𝐦𝐞 𝐈𝐯𝐚𝐧 𝐀𝐬𝐬.

            When was China actually threatening Tiawan ? Even Japan ?

            𝐂𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐚 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐛𝐞𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐓𝐚𝐢𝐰𝐚𝐧 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐝𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐝𝐞𝐬.

            𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐭’𝐬 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐞𝐦𝐩𝐭𝐲 𝐬𝐚𝐛𝐞𝐫-𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐭𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐧𝐲𝐰𝐚𝐲.

            Biden seems desparate to revive the Stupid Obama deal with the greatest fomentor of Terrorism in the world – on their terms.

            𝐀𝐧𝐲𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐈𝐫𝐚𝐧 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐝𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐥𝐨𝐩𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐧𝐮𝐤𝐞𝐬 𝐢𝐬 𝐚 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐥.

            Why ? Is he actively looking to piss off the entire rest of the Mid east ? About the only good news is that it will likely drive many Arab countries closer to Israel – because without the US they are an insufficient block to Iran’s ambitions without Israel.

            𝐘𝐨𝐮 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐥𝐞𝐭’𝐬 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐥𝐞𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦 𝐠𝐨 𝐚𝐭 𝐢𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐠𝐞𝐭 𝐢𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡.

            𝐎𝐧𝐞 𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞 𝐰𝐢𝐧𝐬, 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞 𝐥𝐨𝐬𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐞 𝐝𝐨𝐧’𝐭 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐥 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐢𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐲𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞.

            Biden is risking unilateral military action by Israel against Iran – for israel this is a matter of survival.

            𝐈𝐬𝐫𝐚𝐞𝐥 𝐢𝐬 𝐚 𝐩𝐚𝐢𝐧 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐚𝐬𝐬.

            And it is likely that the Saudi’s will atleast turn a blind eye.

            𝐒𝐚𝐮𝐝𝐢’𝐬 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐛𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐲 𝐭𝐢𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐨𝐟 𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐢𝐭 𝐭𝐨𝐨.

            The world was inarguably safer with Trump as president than either Biden or Obama – or Bush for that matter.

            𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐥𝐝 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐨𝐨 𝐛𝐮𝐬𝐲 𝐥𝐚𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐭 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚 𝐭𝐨 𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐛𝐥𝐞.

            For the most part the war mongers were put in their place.

            𝐎𝐛𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐚𝐫𝐬.

            𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐩 𝐝𝐢𝐝𝐧’𝐭 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐲 𝐰𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐟𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭.

            So what is it you think Biden has accomplished ?

            𝐑𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐝𝐢𝐠𝐧𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐖𝐡𝐢𝐭𝐞 𝐇𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐠𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭.

            𝐏𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐟𝐫𝐚𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐜𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐣𝐨𝐛𝐬 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐚𝐥.

            𝐑𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐯𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐢𝐧𝐞 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐠𝐫𝐚𝐦.

            𝐇𝐞’𝐬 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐛𝐞𝐞𝐧 𝐢𝐧 𝟏𝟎𝟎 𝐝𝐚𝐲𝐬, 𝐠𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐧𝐞𝐠𝐫𝐨 𝐚 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞.

            How has Biden made america great ?

            𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐟𝐫𝐚𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐜𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐣𝐨𝐛𝐬 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐚𝐥 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐯𝐢𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐩 𝐰𝐡𝐢𝐜𝐡 𝐢𝐬 𝐰𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐚 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐮𝐩𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐨.

            𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐩 𝐝𝐨?

            𝐖𝐚𝐥𝐤𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐚 𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐠𝐨𝐭 𝐥𝐚𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐭 𝐛𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐆𝟕 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐔𝐍.

            𝐀 𝐣𝐨𝐤𝐞,

            And why are you trying to co-opt a slogan you do not even beleive ?

            𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐟𝐫𝐚𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐜𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐣𝐨𝐛𝐬 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐚𝐥 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐯𝐢𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐩 𝐰𝐡𝐢𝐜𝐡 𝐢𝐬 𝐰𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐚 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐮𝐩𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐨.

            𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐩 𝐝𝐨?

            𝐖𝐚𝐥𝐤𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐚 𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐠𝐨𝐭 𝐥𝐚𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐭 𝐛𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐆𝟕 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐔𝐍.

            𝐀 𝐣𝐨𝐤𝐞,

            The left – YOU, think this country is a racist mysoginist nation of the worst hateful hating haters in the world.

            𝐍𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞’𝐬 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐚 𝐥𝐨𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐝𝐮𝐦𝐛𝐚𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐧 𝐛𝐨𝐭𝐡 𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐬.

            You seem to think that the country in which poor minorities from arround the world are dying to get in is more racist than when Wilson screened Birth of a Nation in the whitehouse. When there were actual lynching’s nearly every day.

            𝐈 𝐝𝐨𝐧𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚 𝐢𝐬 𝐫𝐚𝐜𝐢𝐬𝐭, 𝐈 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐢𝐭’𝐬 𝐝𝐮𝐦𝐛.

            You seem to think that the US is more racist than Rwanda – where the Hutu’s murdered 850,000 Tutsi’s in less than 90 days mostly with Machette’s.

            𝐍𝐨, 𝐈 𝐝𝐨𝐧𝐭. 𝐑𝐚𝐜𝐢𝐬𝐦 𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐭𝐮𝐩𝐢𝐝, 𝐬𝐨 𝐈 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚 𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐭𝐮𝐩𝐢𝐝.

            Or than China were Uigher’s are being worked to death as slaves in possibly the millions – in the 21st century.

            𝐂𝐡𝐮𝐜𝐤 𝐅𝐢𝐧𝐚. 𝐍𝐮𝐤𝐞 ‘𝐞𝐦.

            And you lie constantly to push false meme – fatal 3 times over levels of narcotics are ignored to push false naratives, as is terminal heart disease and blood oxygen levels that falsify claims of suffocation – but the left must have its blood.

            𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐚𝐥𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭?

            Your bloodlust is boundless.

            𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐚𝐥𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭?

            Violent crime has always been much higher in the cities that YOU run. Now it is about twice as high – and still rising.
            Inarguably YOU are responsible for that.

            𝐍𝐨 𝐈 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐤𝐞𝐝 𝐮𝐩 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐭𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐦𝐞 𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐨𝐨𝐫, 𝐢𝐠𝐧𝐨𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐬.

            I noted some things that Trump accomplished in the area of foreign policy.

            𝐆𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐥𝐚𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐭 𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐔𝐍 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐬𝐧𝐢𝐜𝐤𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐭 𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐆𝟕?

            Beyond that he proved that 2-3% growth was possible and sustainable – under Obama we were told sub 2% growth was the best that could be done.

            𝐇𝐞 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝟑𝟔% 𝐠𝐫𝐨𝐰𝐭𝐡 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐧𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐝𝐞𝐛𝐭. 𝐁𝐫𝐚𝐯𝐨!

            He increased standard of living and employment – and more importantly he did so for those at the bottom – who Biden has STILL done nothing for.

            𝐔𝐧𝐞𝐦𝐩𝐥𝐨𝐲𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫 𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐩 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝟏𝟖% 𝐨𝐫 𝐬𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠.

            𝐇𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫.

            Americans do not need a hand out. They just need government to get out of the way.

            𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧𝐬 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐮𝐫𝐯𝐢𝐯𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐧 𝐠𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐨𝐮𝐭𝐬 𝐚𝐬 𝐰𝐞 𝐬𝐩𝐞𝐚𝐤.

            𝐖𝐢𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐦𝐮𝐥𝐮𝐬 𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐲, 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧𝐬 𝐰𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐛𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐝𝐞𝐞𝐩 𝐤𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐡𝐢.

            𝐆𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐡𝐞𝐥𝐩𝐢𝐧𝐠. 𝐁𝐢𝐠 𝐭𝐢𝐦𝐞.

            𝐒𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐞𝐥𝐬𝐞 𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐬𝐰𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐭.

            𝐘𝐨𝐮’𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐢𝐥𝐞.

            American greatness has NEVER come from our government. It comes from our PEOPLE – on their own.
            They do not need help from government. They need government to quit making getting ahead harder.

            Or you could look to the southern border. Biden has failed so badly – you can not tell from day to day – what the Biden admin will say.
            It is a crisis, it isn’t. We need to finish the wall, we do not. There are children in cages – there are not.

            Now as I understand the government is trying to dump tens of thousands of unaccompanied minors into Foster Care.
            Trump managed to re-unite all but a handful of kids whose parents refused to take them back.
            We are now talking about 10’s of thousands of minors.

            Biden noted correctly – that many of them are not “children” – though the 5 year old wandering in the desert and the tolders hurled into the country were definitely children. Regardless, Biden is correct – Cartels are using Biden’s weakness to push thousands of teenage foot soldiers into the country. That will certainly make things better. That will reduce crime and violence – NOT.

            And honestly – is Biden even president ? No one really knows who is running the country – it certainly is not Biden.

            You say Democrats “clean it up” – what have they cleaned up ?
            They ran a disasterous lawless election that has not only eroded the trust of americans but made us look like fools accross the world.

            No other consequential nation has mailin elections – they are too corrupt and the world knows it – but you do not.

            The democrat’s moto is not MAGA it is MABR – Make America a Bannana Republic.

            From the get go Democrats are threatening idiotic changes tot he entire country – that even other democrats can not choke down.

            After the 2020 election – key democrats in the house told the party “NEVER mention socialism again”
            – and you have ignored them.

            Getting out of afghanistan is such a great Idea the US should have done so 90 days after were chased the Taliban out.

            Bush did not do it, Obama did not do it. Trump actually finally committed to it and worked towards it, and but for lies and resistance from neocons and the military would have done it. Biden is waffling – and as is typically can not bother to finish something that is an excellent idea that is highly popular – merely because Trump started it.

            Absolutely Bush43 was a poor president – almost as Bad as Obama. No democrats did not fix a republican mess.
            They presided over the longenst and weakest recovery since the great depression – the other instance in which democrats thought government intervention would make things better.

            The economy fixed itself with active interferance from Democrats.
            The economy ALWAYS fixes itself.

            Obama took the economy from 14.7T to 18T – in 8 years. Trump took it fro, 18T to 21.5T in 3 years. Then had the worst pandemic since 1918 and STILL ended the year with a 21T economy.

            Trump had the worst single quarter downturn in US history AND the best single quarter upturn in US history.
            He presided over a 33% economic decline WITHOUT having a recession. Can you name any president ever who has come even close to that ?

            the great recession was a 4.3% economic decline – spread over 6 months. It took Obama almost 4 years to fully recover.
            It took Trump one quarter to recover from a disaster that was 8 times worse.

            Bush averaged 2.2% growth over 8 years
            Obama averaged 1.6% growth over 8 years
            Trump averaged 1.9% growth over 4 years – and 2.5% over his first 3 years.

            If you care about charity – give as much as you want to whoever you want – that is your business.
            Charity is not the business of govenrment, and it is horribly bad at it.

            As to your “constitutional” claims – what the 43ll hare they ?

            More so than any president in the past 20 years Trump followed the actual constitution.
            He did not make up laws from thin air.
            He upheld the laws we actually have – such as the immigration laws, rather than making up the laws he prefered we would have.

            Something like 85% of the country would like immigration reform. We are not agreed on what that should be. But we are agreed that we need it. That our current laws are broken.

            Obama had the chance for a bipartisan deal. Instead he decided to go it alone.
            Trump fought to get a bipartisan deal – but democrats did not want a deal – AGAIN.
            Biden is again off doing his own thing.

            But neither Biden nor Obama upheld the actual laws as they are.

            It is the obligation of every president and every member of govenrment to uphold the laws and constitution of the united states.
            Not the laws and constitution they WISH we had, but the actual ones that we do have.

            Congress with the consent of the president can change the laws, and congress and the states can change the constitution.

            But the president must uphold the laws and constitution we have.

            That is a fundimental difference between left and right.

            The right seeks the rule of law.
            The left – the rule of man.
            The latter always ends badly.

            1. “𝐑𝐞𝐜𝐨𝐫𝐝 𝐨𝐟 𝐬𝐮𝐜𝐜𝐞𝐬𝐬 = 𝟓𝟎𝟎,𝟎𝟎𝟎+ 𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐝 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧𝐬.”
              Incorrect. 1/3 of all US C19 deaths have occured under Biden, not Trump
              Soon that will be 1/2. Trump averaged a bit over 1000 deaths a day. Biden is averaging just under 2000 deaths a day.

              “𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐞𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐨𝐦𝐲 𝐥𝐨𝐬𝐭 𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬.”
              Nope, GDP for 2020 is nearly exactly the same as for 2019.
              In fact Trump’s 4 year growth rate is HIGHER than Obama’s 8 year growth rate.

              “𝐓𝐞𝐧𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐦𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧𝐬 𝐨𝐧 𝐮𝐧𝐞𝐦𝐩𝐥𝐨𝐲𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭.”
              Cause by democrat lockdowns.

              “𝐘𝐨𝐮 𝐛𝐞𝐭 𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐂𝐡𝐢𝐞𝐟𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐆𝐨𝐧𝐳𝐚𝐠𝐚, 𝐝𝐢𝐝𝐧’𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮?”

              Is that an argument ?
              Regardless, I not only did not bet, I have not watched a sports event that my kids were not in, in a decade.

            2. “𝐁𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧 𝐡𝐚𝐬𝐧’𝐭 𝐛𝐞𝐞𝐧 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐠 𝐞𝐧𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞 𝐚 𝐬𝐮𝐜𝐜𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐨𝐫 𝐚 𝐟𝐚𝐢𝐥𝐮𝐫𝐞.”
              Certainly he could tern the mess he has made so far arround.

              But he has still started very badly.

              “𝐇𝐞 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐝𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐚 𝐠𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭 𝐣𝐨𝐛 𝐨𝐟 𝐫𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐯𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬,”
              Did he have ANYTHING to do with bringing the vaccine about ?
              Did he have anything to do with guaranteeing the US hundreds of millions of doses as fast as possible ?

              So far Biden’s “Great Job” – is accomplishing exactly as Trump had planned.
              Given that Trump delivered on that plan right through the day he left office – there is nothing “Great” about what Biden has done.
              At best he has not “f’d it up”

              “𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐢𝐧𝐟𝐫𝐚𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐜𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐣𝐨𝐛𝐬 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐚𝐥 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐞 𝐌𝐀𝐆𝐀.”
              Nope, This is one area BOTH Trump and Biden are wrong.
              There is nothing consequential wrong with amrican infrastructure, and government jobs programs do not create jobs.
              In fact there is 50 years of data that govenrment jobs programs DESTROY jobs.

              “𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐩 𝐤𝐢𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐏𝐮𝐭𝐢𝐧’𝐬 𝐚𝐬𝐬 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐨𝐭.”
              By guaranteeing Eurpoean Energy supplies and cutting Putin off at the balls ?
              By opening up Fracking and driving energy prices down – cutting Putin off at the balls ?
              By providing the Ukraine actual military weapons – not blankets to fight the russians with ?
              By changing the rules of engagement to allow US warships and US aircraft to shoot at Russians if they interfered with US military operations ?

              “𝐋𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐭𝐫𝐲𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐰𝐞𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐚𝐥𝐤 𝐑𝐮𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐚 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐆𝟕.”
              Did Trump tell Putin that after the election he could be more flexible ?
              Did Trump push Russian Reset I and II ?
              Did Trump sell US uranium to Russia ?

              Did Russia “donate” $140M to the Trump foundation ?
              Did Russia pay Trump a 500K speaking fee ?
              Did Russia build Trump tower Moscow ?

              “𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐟𝐮𝐥𝐥𝐲 𝐔𝐧𝐜𝐥𝐞 𝐒𝐚𝐦 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐮𝐩 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐔𝐤𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐠𝐨 𝐤𝐢𝐜𝐤 𝐬𝐨𝐦𝐞 𝐈𝐯𝐚𝐧 𝐀𝐬𝐬.”
              That will not happen.
              But you seem blind to the fact that Putin waited until Trump left office to move on Ukraine.

              Putin was afraid of Trump.
              Putin is not afraid of Biden.

              “𝐂𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐚 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐛𝐞𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐓𝐚𝐢𝐰𝐚𝐧 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐝𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐝𝐞𝐬.”
              Not as they have been in the past few months.

              “𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐭’𝐬 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐞𝐦𝐩𝐭𝐲 𝐬𝐚𝐛𝐞𝐫-𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐭𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐧𝐲𝐰𝐚𝐲.”
              We all hope so.
              Regardless, China did NOT engage in this saber rattling with Trump.
              Xi thinks Biden is weak.

              It is unlikely China will attempt to invade Tiawan.
              But most experts think it is TWICE as likely as it was last year.

              “𝐀𝐧𝐲𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐈𝐫𝐚𝐧 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐝𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐥𝐨𝐩𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐧𝐮𝐤𝐞𝐬 𝐢𝐬 𝐚 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐥.”
              You will not succeed in preventing Iran from getting Nukes.

              “𝐘𝐨𝐮 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐥𝐞𝐭’𝐬 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐥𝐞𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦 𝐠𝐨 𝐚𝐭 𝐢𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐠𝐞𝐭 𝐢𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡.”
              You really think that war in the Mideast will not result in american deaths ?
              And a whole host of Harms to the US ?

              “𝐎𝐧𝐞 𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞 𝐰𝐢𝐧𝐬, 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞 𝐥𝐨𝐬𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐞 𝐝𝐨𝐧’𝐭 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐥 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐢𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐲𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞.”
              You are ignorant of history.

              Germany was thoroughly defeated in WWI – and within 20 years we were in another World War with Germany.

              Israel has won every conflict in the mideast they have been part of – and still they are under threat.

              Even if one side wins – we will have to deal with that winner.
              War is not a good thing. Sometimes it is necescary, it is never good.
              It is not something to wish for.

              “𝐈𝐬𝐫𝐚𝐞𝐥 𝐢𝐬 𝐚 𝐩𝐚𝐢𝐧 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐚𝐬𝐬.”
              That would be you.
              Israel is a soveriegn nation and a far more reliable allie to us than we are to them.

              “𝐒𝐚𝐮𝐝𝐢’𝐬 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐛𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐲 𝐭𝐢𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐨𝐟 𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐢𝐭 𝐭𝐨𝐨.”
              Tired of dealing with what ?
              Biden and Obama’s moves toward Iran are moves to weaken the Saudi’s – that does not make them happy with US.
              While the Saudi’s are not “good people” – almost no nation in the Mideast is.

              Regardless, next you will see a nuclear Saudi Arabia.

              “𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐥𝐝 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐨𝐨 𝐛𝐮𝐬𝐲 𝐥𝐚𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐭 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚 𝐭𝐨 𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐛𝐥𝐞.”
              That is both false and a stupid argument.
              Even if it was True – it would favor Trump.

              “𝐎𝐛𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐚𝐫𝐬.”
              He did ? Really ?

              When Obama became president we were in Iraq and Afghanistan.

              During Obama’s president – we fought Libya and made a mess there.

              When he left office we were fighting in Syria. Yemen, and several places in North Africa – in addition to Iraq and Afghanistan.

              That is your Idea of ending wars ?

              Here is Glenn Greenwald – an actual journalist. Greenwald is on the left.
              He is just not a hypocrite.

              https://reason.com/video/2020/11/25/glenn-greenwald-nothing-trump-did-compares-to-the-moral-evil-of-bushs-and-obamas-wars/

              “𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐩 𝐝𝐢𝐝𝐧’𝐭 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐲 𝐰𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐟𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭.”
              Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, North Africa, Yemen.

              “𝐑𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐝𝐢𝐠𝐧𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐖𝐡𝐢𝐭𝐞 𝐇𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐠𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭.”

              Boy are you a nutter. Will the peole who lose their jobs to the 172K illegal immigrants just in March fell this government is “dignified” ?

              We heard the left say Trump is not respected – but Biden is barely in office – when Putin and Xi have pissed on him.

              “𝐏𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐟𝐫𝐚𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐜𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐣𝐨𝐛𝐬 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐚𝐥.”
              So proposing stupid things is your idea of accomplishment ?

              “𝐑𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐯𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐢𝐧𝐞 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐠𝐫𝐚𝐦.”
              Almost double the deaths per day of Trump WITH a vaccine.
              Trump brought the vaccine to being in record time – all the experts told him it could not be done.
              The media openly laughed at his vaccine claims.
              And yet the vaccine was there – when he said it would be – actually several weeks earlier – but the FDA blacked that out.

              Further Trump – not Biden or anyone else GUARANTEED the US would get the lionshare of the vaccine produced – before anyone else.
              Every Dose that has been administered is because Trump secured that dose.

              My son is in College in Japan right now. He is the only member of my family not vaccinated – there is no vaccine in Japan.
              They can not get any. All production is committed mostly to the US, with the UK right behind – because they followed Trump’s footsteps and gauranteed money to vaccine producers in May.

              Trump started in late december and was vaccinating 1.2M people per day by Jan 20. From zero to 1.2M/day in a bit over 6 weeks.
              30M people in 6 weeks. Biden has barely done better in almost 100 days. The vaccination rate should be increasing.
              It is starting to drop.

              Biden did not fail in his handling of the vaccine – as he has with other things.
              But he has ZERO to crow about.

              “𝐇𝐞’𝐬 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐛𝐞𝐞𝐧 𝐢𝐧 𝟏𝟎𝟎 𝐝𝐚𝐲𝐬, 𝐠𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐧𝐞𝐠𝐫𝐨 𝐚 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞.”
              And he has made a long list of mistakes.

              “𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐟𝐫𝐚𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐜𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐣𝐨𝐛𝐬 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐚𝐥 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐯𝐢𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐩 𝐰𝐡𝐢𝐜𝐡 𝐢𝐬 𝐰𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐚 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐮𝐩𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐨.”
              What nonsense.

              Proposals are not accomplishments. Nor are they leadership.
              And BAD proposals are negative accomplishments.

              Obama’s “infrastructure” programs was a failure. It choked the commerical construction market, reaked havoc on road construction for years and had a small negative net economic impact.

              One of the smartest things Trump did was NOT go forward with an infrastructure plan.

              Biden learned nothing.

              Jobs are created by the economy.
              In the short Run Biden probably can not F’ that up – though we shall see.
              Most predictions suggest strong growth this year – no matter who was president.
              But we are also seeing inflationary expectations.
              A few economists are predicting hyperinflation.
              Many stagflation coming in 2022.

              Covid Spending was a huge mistake – for Trump, for Biden.
              Spending more is a bigger one.

              We are litterally in uncharted economic teritory.

              “𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐩 𝐝𝐨?”
              You have been provided a LONG list.

              “𝐍𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞’𝐬 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐚 𝐥𝐨𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐝𝐮𝐦𝐛𝐚𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐧 𝐛𝐨𝐭𝐡 𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐬.”

              Then quit the racially charge and divisive rhetoric.

              There is a world of difference between calling someone stupid and calling them a racist, or a nazi.
              It is also morally wrong to call people liars when you can not prove it.

              “𝐈 𝐝𝐨𝐧𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚 𝐢𝐬 𝐫𝐚𝐜𝐢𝐬𝐭, 𝐈 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐢𝐭’𝐬 𝐝𝐮𝐦𝐛.”
              Then you are nearly alone on the left in that thinking.

              “𝐂𝐡𝐮𝐜𝐤 𝐅𝐢𝐧𝐚. 𝐍𝐮𝐤𝐞 ‘𝐞𝐦.”
              Really ?

              “𝐍𝐨 𝐈 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐤𝐞𝐝 𝐮𝐩 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐭𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐦𝐞 𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐨𝐨𝐫, 𝐢𝐠𝐧𝐨𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐬.”
              WA, AZ, NM, KS, IL, Are the highest crime rates in the country.
              ID, SD, ND, WV are among the lowest.

              That said – Crime is many times higher in large urban centers run by democrats than anywhere else.
              Chicago, NYC, Detroit, Baltimore, LA,

              “𝐆𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐥𝐚𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐭 𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐔𝐍 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐬𝐧𝐢𝐜𝐤𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐭 𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐆𝟕?”
              Ignoring the facts and fixating on idiocy is not argument.

              Trump accomplished many many things.
              These have been documented over and over.
              Pretending they did not happen does not make them go away.

              “𝐇𝐞 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝟑𝟔% 𝐠𝐫𝐨𝐰𝐭𝐡 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐧𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐝𝐞𝐛𝐭. 𝐁𝐫𝐚𝐯𝐨!”
              US debt surged by $7 trillion under Trump. It will go much higher under Biden

              I have criticized Trump’s spending. It was a mistake.

              “𝐔𝐧𝐞𝐦𝐩𝐥𝐨𝐲𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫 𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐩 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝟏𝟖% 𝐨𝐫 𝐬𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠.”

              𝐇𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫.

              Peak unemployement was apr 20, 2020 14%. That is NOT even close to the highest ever.
              That was explicitly the result of lockdowns, and it lasted only a few weeks.

              “𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧𝐬 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐮𝐫𝐯𝐢𝐯𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐧 𝐠𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐨𝐮𝐭𝐬 𝐚𝐬 𝐰𝐞 𝐬𝐩𝐞𝐚𝐤.

              𝐖𝐢𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐦𝐮𝐥𝐮𝐬 𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐲, 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧𝐬 𝐰𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐛𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐝𝐞𝐞𝐩 𝐤𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐡𝐢.

              𝐆𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐡𝐞𝐥𝐩𝐢𝐧𝐠. 𝐁𝐢𝐠 𝐭𝐢𝐦𝐞.

              𝐒𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐞𝐥𝐬𝐞 𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐬𝐰𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐭.”

              Totally completely false, and economically ignorant.

              If you think the Stimulus helped – why not double it ? Tripple it ? Multiply it by 10 ?

              Money is not wealth. You can not eat it, or drive it,

              Wealth is what we MAKE. In 2020, we made as much wealth – food, cars, etc. as we did in 2019.
              That is not good – during the 19th century we averaged 7% more created wealth each year. During the 20th 3.5%, During the 21st we were at european levels of only 2%. Trump brought that back to near 3% before Covid.
              Not good, but better than Bush or Obama.

              Even with zero growth in 2020 – Trump STILL did better than Obama.

              Regardless, you can flood the economy with as much money as you wish – unless people PRODUCE no one eats.

              I would further note that the spike in unemployment, the loss of growth was almost all in Blue lockdown states.

              Had we not locked the country down – no loss in growth, not spike in unemployment.

              Many of us knew in early 2020 – that lockdowns would not work.
              Now all but idiots know they did not.

              The economy is starting to grow, unemployment has been dropping since April 2020,
              But C19 was much worse this winter than when we locked down, and it is still worse than most of 2020.

              Yet we are not locking down again – why ?

              Biden told us that Trump F’d up.
              What is Biden doing about C19 – besides virtue signalling ?

              Faucci told us we could beat this in 14 days – a year ago. Biden has had almost 100.
              Biden promised a miracle.

              He has not delivered anything different from Trump – except a docile media – the propoganda arm of the democratic party.

              “𝐘𝐨𝐮’𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐢𝐥𝐞.”
              Non sequitur.
              Your the one with problems with facts.

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