We have previously discussed the concerted and often embarrassing blackout in the media on stories involving Hunter Biden’s influence peddling during his father’s tenure as Vice President. That includes the burying of the laptop story and the growing contradictions over his father’s denial of any knowledge or involvement in his shady business dealings. Even recent reports that Hunter may have paid prostitutes with his father’s account were blacked out by mainstream media which exhaustively pursued any story related to the Trump children and their dealings and life styles. Now, however, there is a major allegation that Hunter used access to his father to seal previously unknown deals with Mexican businessmen, including Carlos Slim. A picture shows Hunter with the businessmen in the Vice President residence with his father.
As in the past, Americans interested in such stories have had to rely on the foreign press or a couple domestic sites for such information.
The new emails include references to the use of Air Force II by Hunter Biden to pursue the deals — a similar pattern revealed with regard to the China dealings. The emails detail a number of visits to Mexico, including a February 2016 flight on Air Force II with his father. On the plane was his business partner Jeff Cooper, who ran Illinois-based SimmonsCooper. That is one of the largest asbestos litigation firms in the country and Hunter was given 3 percent of Cooper’s venture capital firm Eudora Global, according to emails. President Biden’s brother (who featured in past controversial deals) was also reportedly involved in some of these efforts.
These dealings continued into 2018 as Hunter pushed for deals with Slim. One text message from July 24, 2018 reads “Spoke to my dad about ‘Slim ask” and Cooper responds “Oh that sounds SO F’ING GOOD.”
It obviously does not sound quite so good if you are a reporter who has been repeatedly assured by President Biden that he had no knowledge or involvement in any dealings with Hunter. That was previously refuted by various sources. Hunter himself contradicted his father’s repeated denial. Then there are the emails referring to the “Big Guy”, which witnesses say was Joe Biden. Then there is Tony Bobulinski who stated that he personally met with Joe Biden to discuss Hunter’s business dealings. Bobulinski is repeatedly praised by Hunter Biden in the emails and identified as the person in control of transactions for “the family.” He has directly contradicted Joe Biden’s denial of any knowledge or involvement in his son’s dubious dealings.
The new emails contain additional information directly contradicting President Biden. In addition to earlier pictures from golf trips and references to his involvement or knowledge, new material refers to a notable dinner arranged in Washington, D.C.
Hunter arranged for then Vice President Biden to have dinner on April 16, 2015 with his Ukrainian, Russian and Kazakhstani business associates. They appropriately chose a private room at Café Milano, a Georgetown restaurant that brags that it is “Where the world’s most powerful people go.” After the dinner, Hunter received an email from Vadym Pozharskyi, an executive with the Ukrainian energy company Burisma, to thank him for introducing him to his father: “Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent [sic] some time together. It’s realty [sic] an honor and pleasure.”
It is clear that Hunter Biden was selling access and influence. It appears that Joe Biden was aware of that effort. That is very serious. If these emails are false, this is a major story. If they are true, this is a major scandal. Presumably, however, this story will result in another run to the nearest ice cream shop for breathless coverage on the current frozen delights of the President.
Mexican businessman, Carlos Slim, although he sold part of his holdings, still happens to be a major shareholder of the NYT. Honi soit qui mal y pense …
TURLEY’S SOURCE IS A BRITISH TABLOID!
Apparently Turley based this column on reporting from The London Daily Mail, a tabloid known for sensationalism. Yet Turley scolds American mainstream media for not following this tabloid’s lead. One can safely conclude that Turley feels a desperate need to keep the Hunter Biden story alive. How pathetic!
That British tabloid has accurately reported thousands of stories that the NYT and WaPo ignore. It is far superior to those rags. You must have been under a rock for the last 10-15 years.
It’s endlessly entertaining to see how consumed Professor Turley is with Hunter Biden. Federal prosecutors launched an investigation into Hunter’s tax dealings 3 years ago. No charges have been filed.
3 weeks before the 2020 election, the NY Post reported that Trump’s attorney, Giuliani, provided them a copy of what was purported to be Hunter’s laptop. Shortly afterward, Trump’s National Security Director, John Ratcliffe, dismissed reports that the information on the laptop the NY Post obtained from Trump’s attorney was part of a Russian disinformation campaign.
At that same time the NY Post was reporting about Hunter’s laptop, Trump gave his AG, Bill Barr, a very public ultimatum to indict Obama, Biden & Hillary Clinton for “the greatest political crime in the history of our country.” That same month, Trump claimed that if Biden was elected, “the stock market will crash”…”it will cause a major recession” & “the value of your 401k’s will go to hell.” JT presumably doesn’t dispute there was no media blackout on those stories.
JT has made it abuntantly clear which story he believes to be the most important of the ones listed above.
Hey legal voter, have your eyes not seen the pictures of Big Daddy Biden meeting with Little Junior Hunter and his business partners. The tell is like with the laptop no denial has come from either Big Daddy Biden or Little Junior Hunter. We have pictures showing the meetings. I guess they will have to be chiseled in a mountain side before legal voter will believe. Naw, not even then.
Legal voter,
Perhaps, we should accuse the Trumpists of HBDS, “Hunter Biden Derangement Syndrome.” Or better yet, let’s just dismiss the Hunter investigation as a “witch-hunt.”
If they can use such adolescent tactics, shouldn’t we?
Like Turley, I will not debase myself by making such inane deflections. I do monitor MSNBC, and Turley is absolutely correct that its programs do not cover the Hunter story. And I wish they would if only to dismiss the allegations or otherwise report them. As I have said, I will applaud the prosecution of Hunter Biden or Joe.
But the fact remains that Fox News, et.al., also ignore stories unfavorable to their narratives. For example, Tucker Carlson ignored the tax indictment altogether and Dan Bongino (substituting for Hannity) last night referred to the indictment as getting “free parking or something.”
My problem with Turley is not what he does say as much as what he doesn’t. He is hypocrite by not holding his employer, Fox News, Newsmax, or One America Network to the same standard he demands of the mainstream media. This fact is incontrovertible, and he knows it, which explains why he does not submit himself to be interviewed by a mainstream reporter or respond to questions posed here. He wants to evade such embarrassing questions because he has no answer except to say, “I want to keep my job at Fox News.”
Although you briefly addressed the subject at hand, Biden’s blatant lie about knowing about Hunter’ s foreign business dealings, you of course retreat to the Fox News diatribe. My guess is that Turley does not need the Fox money. Maybe he just wants to present the ” other side” . Given the fact that outside of the 3 networks you mentioned, all of the remaining television media leans left, somebody has to push back against the massive left wing crap . And his bonafides far outweigh the ” experts” on cnn and msnbc.Do you really expect ANYONE to trash their employer? Would you? Why not just debate the facts? Your outrage is about what is not said. Pretty petty and futile.
To any normal person, the Hunter Biden story is the *only* important story.
Has anyone asked the Rev Al Sharpton how to best resolve these nagging tax problems?
It is clear that Joe Biden wasn’t just simply aware of Hunter’s business dealings (something he lied about in the past) – Joe actively participated in facilitating Hunter’s influence peddling operation. Almost certainly Joe (the “big guy”) got a cut of the action but even if he didn’t his active participation in facilitating the sale of access to his office is illegal and Joe Biden should be impeached and prosecuted.
Correct.
Jonathan: For some time you, the New York Post and Senate Republicans have tried to dig up dirt on Hunter Biden as a way to attack President Biden. After months of investigation by a Republican controlled panel they came up with nothing, nada on Hunter Biden. Even Rudy Giuliani spent a lot of time trying to prove the Bidens were “corrupt”. Giuliani has never offered any proof. That’s because Giuliani is a liar. And that is why his law license in New York has been suspended.
In an effort to revive the Hunter Biden controversy you now offer a New York Post article that apparently shows that during the period between 2010 and 2015 ( when Joe Biden was Obama’s VP) Hunter traded his father’s position to seek business deals with Carlos Slim, Mexico’s richest man. But the Post article fails to find evidence that Hunter engaged in any illegal activity. As with his business activities in Ukraine and China Hunter may rightly be accused of “nepotism” but no legal wrongdoing.
The travails of Hunter Biden don’t begin to compare to the corruption that occurred under the Trump administration. Trump came into office promising to “drain the swamp” in D.C. In fact, the swamp got deeper under Trump. Trump spent his entire presidency promoting his properties and continually violating the emoluments clause. And so did those he appointed to public office. Take just the case of former Georgia governor Sonny Perdue. In February 2017, just after Trump selected Perdue to be Secretary of Agriculture, Perdue bought a small grain plant in South Carolina from ADM, the agricultural giant, for only $250,000. The sales price was 16 times less than the original estimated value of the property! No doubt ADM made this sweetheart deal so they could influence Perdue’s decisions on agricultural policy affecting ADM’s interests. Perdue didn’t reveal this sale on his disclosure statements because that might prompt questions from Congress.
So Hunter Biden is small potatoes compared to the corruption in the Trump administration. As an aside, the LA Times now reports (6/23/21) that Hunter has apparently given up his business interests to pursue his lifelong love for art. The Times report (“Hunter is trading on the family name–again”) says that Hunter lived a while at Venice beach but now has converted a garage into a studio. His art dealer in New York is going to host a private exhibition of Hunter’s work–at prices of from $75,000 to $500,000. Wow! Nice gig if you can get it. If my last name was “Picasso” I would probably do the same thing. But art is always in the eye of the beholder. Nevertheless, no doubt, you will find something in Hunter’s latest endeavor to attack the President’s son. Maybe Giuliani will find “evidence” on Hunter’s laptop that he is actually copying the art of the masters and selling them as originals!
And I’m sure you approve of Hunter’s language. You know the way he uses the N word as if it’s going out of style.
If Hunter is so pure according to you, why doesn’t he recognize the child that he fathered in Arkansas (I think). At first he said it wasn’t his then DNA said it was , but according to you DNA can’t be trusted, its just a conservative way if holding people accountable for their wrong doings. Then it is his child but refuses to pay child support until the judge got really upset. But this is a really nice guy who abuses drugs, abuses alcohol, abuses his name, abuses woman, abuses his family, abuses the nation but you think he is a great guy.
Democrats work with the MSM and Big Tech to suppress Democrats’ criminal behavior. Big Tech censored news of FBI investigations into Hunter Biden for money laundering and influence peddling before election 2020. That constituted massive interference in the election by Big Tech. Now, another smoking gun that indicts Hunter Biden and Joe Biden. You can be sure the MSM will ignore this.
The U.S. has not been a democracy for a while, now.
“[We gave you] a republic, if you can keep it.”
– Ben Franklin
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The American Founders gave Americans a severely-restricted-vote republic, distinctly not a totally insane one man, one vote democrazy.
Turnout in 1788 was 11.6% by intent and design.
Vote criteria were: Male, European, 21, 50 lbs. Sterling/50 acres.
Democracy has existed in the form of restricted-vote republics since inception in Greece.
China’s government is the same as the government of the American Founders, a restricted-vote republic; the difference being, wait for it, the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.
The Constitution provides maximal freedom to individuals while it severely limits and restricts government to the role and function of merely providing security and infrastructure.
The American Founders gave Americans the one and only thing they could: Freedom and Self-Reliance.
The entire contemporary American welfare state is anti-American and unconstitutional.
The singular American failure has been and remains the judicial branch, with emphasis on the Supreme Court.
We don’t live in a nation in which justice is based on the rule of law. I wonder how much longer Turley can live with the cognitive dissonance of being a Dem and soft leftist when it’s his party that continuously violates the law and doesn’t enforce it while in power?
Perjury is a crime, Joke.
And Camela must be fired on the spot.
“Toxic workplace in Kamala Harris’ office mirrors campaign woes”
“A source told Politico that in Harris’ office, “People are thrown under the bus from the very top, there are short fuses and it’s an abusive environment. It’s not a healthy environment and people often feel mistreated. It’s not a place where people feel supported but a place where people feel treated like s—.”
– New York Post
With Joke and Camela removed for cause, and given that the election was stolen, the judicial branch will be compelled to re-instate President Donald J. Trump, the true and actual winner of the 2020 presidential election.
Slim pickings for the Bidens
OK, Darren. You made me laugh 😉
This applies to both the Trump CFO and HB posts.
John Adams famously noted that the Founders created in America “a government of laws, not of men.”
So what happens when the law is made a slave of men’s desires? The innocent are punished. The guilty go free. And citizens scoff at the law.
Incidentally, though I disagree with Turley’s politics, I greatly admire his intransigent love of the law. To him, the law is a high value — not a trifle to satisfy the whims of the moment. If you do not admire him for that, then there is a pit in your soul.
With all the foreign entanglements being revealed from HB’s laptop, isn’t it reasonable to ask what a compromised president’s actions might look like? Perhaps it’s cynical to presume Biden’s foreign and domestic policies are a kneejerk reaction to satisfy his bloodthirsty base’s desire to reverse anything the previous administration accomplished, regardless of their merits. That however excludes a far more dangerous motive and one Democrats led the American people for 4 years to believe was an existential threat to our republic…a president that was acting as a puppet of a hostile foreign power. If actions reflect motive, surely those same Democrats must see how Biden’s policies are undermining our national security. Is the Democratic party compromised as well?
Oil For Thee, But Not for Me
For an administration that seems to miss no opportunity to free up the flow of oil and gas to help American adversaries, it is a strange paradox that it misses no chance to strangle the flow of fuel to American citizens.
https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/02/biden-removes-sanctions-on-iranian-oil-while-shutting-down-american-energy/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the_federalist_daily_briefing_2021_07_02&utm_term=2021-07-02
Olly: “With all the foreign entanglements being revealed from HB’s laptop, isn’t it reasonable to ask what a compromised president’s actions might look like? ”
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YES! The President would look like he is not working for us but for the benefit of foreign powers which, come to think of it, comes near to describing the current odd fellow in the WH.
Young,
As far as evidence goes, HB’s laptop is the equivalent of the Steele dossier. The contents of each deserve equal scrutiny. While Trump, Republicans and conservatives fought the allegations by Democrats, investigations revealed the dossier was actual disinformation paid for by Clinton and the Democratic party. Fraud was perpetrated on the FISA court. Trump policies reflected a commitment to our countries national security. Now it’s well passed time to put the shoe on the other foot. Get a special counsel to investigate the laptop. Determine the validity of it’s contents. Subpoena witnesses. Conduct no-knock raids. And scrutinize administration policies to determine if this president is actually doing what the Democrats felt Trump was doing. Or are Democrats content to sell out our country before the 2022 midterms?
Democrat media sees no evil, hears no evil, and speaks no evil truths that would harm such a prominent Democrat as Biden.
This isn’t journalism. It’s Pravda, or The People’s Daily, Democrat propaganda.
Evidence mounts that Biden was in on it. Yet nothing will happen because he’s not a Republican.
“Evidence mounts”. What “evidence”? From what source did you receive this “evidence”? If there was such “evidence” a few months ago, why didn’t Barr go after the Bidens? Even Turley admits that the e-mails might not genuine, but you are a disciple, so you believe whatever they tell you.
Natch–“Evidence mounts”. What “evidence”?”
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Can’t help you Sergeant Shultz.
But thanks for the laugh.
Evan Hunter admitted on national TV, the content of the laptop are real.
Karen,
I wish some prosecutor would go after Hunter if for no other reason to stop your whining “whataboutism.”
Should Hunter be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, you will still gripe about how unfair it is to prosecute Trump’s organization. Tell me now- will you support a conviction of Trump, his company or his employees? Or will you claim that everyone was singled-out, framed, and railroaded?
You would think that one, just one, liberal reporter would have grown up reading about Woodward and Bernstein and thought that being a muckraking reporter would be good for him/herself AND the nation. But these new little kids (mostly young women) being hired by the MSM just want to fit in, belong and be popular. There isn’t one Murrow in the bunch, there isn’t even one Woodward among them.
The laptop is this generations Deep Throat…and there is nobody interested in doing their job.
Hulibobby– “The laptop is this generations Deep Throat…and there is nobody interested in doing their job.”
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Not even the FBI. Indications are they would have obstructed justice and hidden the laptop and its contents if they could have done. A computer repairman outsmarted them.
Ta Da! Here we have Turley ignoring that the right-wingers on the SCOTUS gutted major parts of the Voting Rights Act, as was predicted, and for which Turley tried to pre-defend, and pivoting to post a Hunter Biden story that even he must admit has no basis in fact. Come on, Trumpsters, can’t even you see this for what it is? But, hey, Turley put in his little disclaimer: “if these emails are false, this is a major story”. Now, tell us, Turley, why would you bother to post a story about emails that you don’t even know are accurate, especially the day after a major SCOTUS ruling you ignored? Wait a minute. Our answer is in the opening part of this post: you got in another dig at non-Trump media–e.g.: … concerted and often embarrassing blackout in the media on stories involving Hunter Biden’s influence peddling during his father’s tenure as Vice President”.
Natacha, I will ask you a simple question, do you or do you not think that Joe Biden was involved in influence peddling through his son? Yes or no. If yes, do you think it is ok? If no, please explain your unwillingness to accept reality.
Hullbobby: what is your source of information about the alleged “influence peddling”, and why do you take as an accepted fact that there was such “influence peddling”?
Joe Biden: “I have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings.”
This is a flatout lie.
Hunter’s laptop is full of emails detailing all those business dealings where “10% went to the Big Guy” — including photos of VP Joe Biden meeting with Hunter’s “business associates” at the freakin VP’s office after flying around the world on AF2.
It’s corruption and bribery plain as day.
Oh but PBS reporter Yamiche Alcindor says Hunter’s laptop is just “Russian disinformation.” Why do you accept Yamiche’s “reporting” as accepted fact? It’s obviously so dishonestly corrupt. PBS needs to fire her, not keep promoting her.
Where is the proof that the laptop belonged to Hunter, as opposed to a plant by someone trying to discredit Joe Biden? Why didn’t Barr go after Hunter when he was at DOJ? And, attacking Yamiche Alcindor is straight out of Trump’s playbook. When she asked a question he didn’t like, he attacked her personally. If you are going to be a disciple, why not join a religion, instead of being a starry-eyed follower of a former TV performer?
And , to date there has not been the denial that the laptop is Hunters, nor that the emails are false from HB, the administration, or law enforcement.
Sometimes the absence of something is more telling .
No one is required to “deny” a lie. Oh, and BTW: does Trump deny that he gave Weisselberg a rent-free apartment, cars, private-school tuition for his grandchildren and other goodies, while holding his salary at the same level for years and years?
You’re right, why single out Yamiche? She’s a hack reporter failing “up” thanks to affirmative action.
Let’s look instead at the 50 former intelligence officers who said the laptop was probably Russian disinformation attempting to influence the election. They are liars one and all. This is why no one trusts the “intelligence agencies.” When you have former CIA and FBI chiefs going on MSNBC and CNN to lie day in and day out, no one should trust a thing they say. And no one does.
To this day, Hunter Biden has never denied the laptop is his.
Because it is his laptop.
Joe Biden is the big guy cashing in on all his son’s “business dealings.”
Joe Biden is as filthy a politician as it gets. If the corrupt lying media wasn’t so busy protecting him and his family, the whole country would know the truth about Joe Biden’s filthy corrupt family and what a liar Joe Biden is.
Dr Jill !!
https://choiceclips.whatfinger.com/2020/12/16/the-six-million-dollar-man-of-the-biden-cartel-isnt-col-steve-austin-its-rob-walker/
“When she asked a question he didn’t like, he attacked her personally.”
At least President Trump took all questions from all reporters all day long. Every day he was out there meeting with reporters and taking all questions. The media had unprecedented access to President Trump.
Joe Biden calls on the same select reporters only taking their preselected questions, submitted in advance to his staff, so he can answer with his prepared notecards. If a reporter does manage to respectfully ask a legitmate quesiton of President Biden, what happens time after time is that Joe Biden loses his cool and verbally attacks the reporter. He loses it. He doesn’t think he should ever be asked anything but questions he has in advance and questions about his ice cream and family pets. Otherwise Biden snaps. Just like the nasty entitled politician he actually is — and has always been — only now he is senile.
Oh, pulleeze. You call that narcissistic election cheater “President”, as if he belongs in the same league as FDR, JFK, Lincoln and Washington, but you refuse to call legitimately-elected President Joe Biden “President”. It is an alt-right talking point that there was “unprecedented access” to the election loser/cheater, which isn’t true. Because of his narcissistic personality disorder, he loved posing for the cameras, and insisted on hogging the spotlight every chance he got. Remember at the G-7 summit when he shoved aside world leaders to get in front of the camera? Remember all of the CDC COVID press conferences in which he insisted on speaking, even though he had no idea what was going on and lied all of the time? Your hero also snapped at Peter Alexander, calling him a “terrible reporter” for asking him a relevant question.
First of all, who “Liked” your post? Sheesh, some people.
Then, you said I refused to call Biden “President.” Here is what I wrote: “If a reporter does manage to respectfully ask a legitmate quesiton of President Biden, what happens…is that…” See where I called him “President”?
Then, you call it an “alt-right talking point” that the media had unprecedented access to asking questions of President Trump. That is a flatout lie. Trump stood and took all questions from reporters, almost daily. Biden does not. Biden’s team gives him a list of pre-selected reporters to call on and then he reads bullet points from his prepared answers to the questions submitted in advance. Every single time. There is no comparison to the media access given to Trump, and the media access currently being denied, highly managed, controleld and scripted by Joe Biden’s handlers. But the corrupt media simply accept it, and continue to protect Biden and his presidency. It’s sickening to watch how dishonest and corrupt the media really are.
And no, Joe Biden was not “legitmately elected.”
Biden was not “legitimately elected”–proven by what facts? Trump is a chronic liar, suffering from a narcissistic personality disorder who cannot accept rejection, and that’s all you have. Read the disciplinary complaint against Giuliani: all of the claims of voter fraud are listed and disproven. All 50 Secretaries of State certified Biden’s victory, the majority of whom were Republicans. What do you have on your side of the scale: the word of a lying narcissist who cannot accept the truth? How about all of the pre-election polls predicting Trump’s loss? How about the historically-low approval ratings? All Trump ever did was pose for the cameras and lie. Americans saw through him. It’s sad that so many of you Trumpster cannot.
“All 50 Secretaries of State certified Biden’s victory, the majority of whom were Republicans.”
They did and they are. However, its dishonest not to admit that several states that had democrat SoS changed voting rules without the authority and did so in a manner that without question changed the accountability of the vote. In my home state of MI a Judge castigated our SoS (yep, a democrat) for issuing guidelines outside of the law on mail in ballot verification. No doubt this ruling came well past the election and Joe Biden is clearly the POTUS however its a fair thing to wonder if those rule changes impacted anything, is it not?
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2021/03/15/judge-rules-secretary-state-bensons-ballot-signature-verification-guidance-invalid/4699927001/
I imagine you’re talking about Brnovich v. Democratic National Committee. Here’s the thing, AZ passed a law that (1) restricted ballot harvesting so that only a family member or care giver could turn in a ballot and (2) provisional ballots (ballots not submitted at the polling place matching ones voting address) are not allowed. When you say the SCOTUS “gutted major parts of the Voting Rights Act”, if you’re honest you’re not referring to the Brnovich v. DNC decision but rather Shelby County v. Holder (2013).
In terms of Brnovich v. DNC the truth is that there are currently twelve states that have laws already that limit who may turn in a ballot to only “friends, family members or care givers” and one state (Alabama) does not allow anyone but the voter to turn the ballot in. Regarding not counting a ballot cast at the wrong polling place (i.e. provisional ballot), there are currently twenty-five states that do not count such ballots. Point here, I believe, is that the SCOTUS ruled AZ law is legal and in truth it’s a reflection of laws in thirty-six other states in whole or in part. While the POTUS and others (including your post) have gone acted as if this ruling was horrible, wicked, terrible or some grand affront to minorities, such laws were already on the books in other states and the DOJ under either AG Holder or AG Lynch could’ve taken action. Now that more states (GA for example) are passing similar laws the opine is that this is about “stopping minorities” and such an argument is silly as it assumes (a) minorities lack the ability to have a family member or care giver turn in a ballot (like twelve other states require) or (b) minorities can’t actually find the polling place in their community and it seems such thinking diminishes the actual intelligence and ability of said minorities.
Anyhow, one final thought; the irony of Pres. Biden speaking defiantly about this case is that his own state (Delaware) is one of the twenty-five states that already don’t count provisional ballots cast in the wrong polling place! In terms of Mr. Turley writing about Hunter Biden, it’s news and he’s simply giving his take on the story and you weren’t obligated to read it if you didn’t want.
https://ballotpedia.org/State_by_State_Provisional_Ballot_Laws
https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_harvesting_laws_by_state
Excellent post Will S. !
Where is the proof of fraud that these laws were enacted to remedy, which is the excuse Republicans make? Where is there proof that voting at the wrong precinct leads to fraud, or that asking a neighbor or friend to drop off your ballot should invalidate it? These laws were enacted to target minority voters, and even the SCOTUS said so, but said that it wasn’t enough to invalidate the laws.
So, instead of acknowledging that similar laws already exist in thirty-seven other states including the home of the POTUS, your argument is . . “but Republicans are racist and want to harm minorities”. Ah, I see. Maybe think a little higher about the ability of minorities as they don’t seem to be having a problem following the law in the thirty-seven aforementioned states. Truth is under the Constitution individual states have the right to conduct elections in the manner they see fit as long as it does not violate the Constitution and the Voting Rights Act and the laws in AZ and thirty-seven other states clearly don’t. I didn’t bring up fraud because I understand there will always be fraud and that laws are designed to limit that as much as possible which is a proactive measure and should be applauded instead of looking down ones snout at minorities and acting as if they’re unable to comply with the law. We’re all different.
Natch: “These laws were enacted to target minority voters”
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Do minority voters have greater trouble finding the correct precinct than normal voters?
And, No, the laws were not meant to target minority voters. They were meant to target crooks who will destroy confidence in our elections.
Do you think it is a mere coincidence that in precincts with minority voters in places like Georgia, that lines go on for blocks and blocks, and that it takes hours and hours to get inside to vote because the polls are understaffed and have an unreasonably inadequate number of machines? Do you think it is a mere coincidence that minorities have jobs that don’t allow them to take off a full day to stand in line just to vote because they are in personal service industries, instead of white-collar jobs? This is why many minorities vote absentee–they don’t have a paid day off to exercise the privilege of voting. Don’t you know that election officials often change the place to vote in precincts, and don’t often tell voters? Since I moved to the house where I live, there have been at least 3 changes to the voting place for my precinct, and oftentimes there is more than one precinct voting at that location. And, I haven’t always been provided with notice, either. So what if an election voter put me in the line for the wrong precinct? Should my vote be struck? With recent changes in the laws, it could be. And, if someone votes in the wrong precinct, where is the proof that this motivated by fraud? Yes, the laws DO unfairly affect minority voters, and the SCOTUS said so. Where’s the proof that there are “crooks who will destroy confidence in our elections? The only such crook I know of is your orange hero who demanded that Brad Raffensberger “find” him 11,800 votes. Recent changes in GA law would allow him to do just that.
Will someone please tell me why he won’t just go away?
“Do you think it is a mere coincidence that in precincts with minority voters in places like Georgia, that lines go on for blocks and blocks, and that it takes hours and hours to get inside to vote because the polls are understaffed and have an unreasonably inadequate number of machines?
As someone who has worked at several different polling places in three different states (MI, KY and OH) the issue of long waiting periods is always the same; lack of trained volunteer’s. While its true the State and Municipal governments run elections the reality is that people within the community need to volunteer to act as polling workers and need to be trained to do so. When I lived in KY we were able to recruit and retain people in enough mass to get Madison County to allow us to have a new polling place.
“Do you think it is a mere coincidence that minorities have jobs that don’t allow them to take off a full day to stand in line just to vote because they are in personal service industries, instead of white-collar jobs?
I think its sad that you look down on minorities as only having service jobs or being unable to take time off of work if needed. Minorities are in every single economic status in the USA and if you wish to discuss poverty then can we please look at the overwhelming poverty in Appalachia which is primarily white. Anyhow the reality is that there is early voting and extended voting hours in thirty-nine states and the District of Columbia. Further five states allow “at will” absentee voting so that means forty-four states make it easy-peasy to vote.
“Yes, the laws DO unfairly affect minority voters, and the SCOTUS said so.”
You keep making this assertion and the fact is, it’s just not so. Justice Samuel Alito said the law requires “equal openness” to the voting process. “Mere inconvenience cannot be enough to demonstrate a violation” of the law, he wrote. Alito said, “but the mere fact there is some disparity in impact does not necessarily mean that a system is not equally open or does not give everyone an equal opportunity to vote.” IOW, just because a law may impact some more than others doesn’t make the law is unequal and this is truth. Look, I live and work in a rural community at this point after living in large cities most of my adult life and that means I must drive much further to get to my polling place when I used to be able to just walk three blocks away. Yes, it’s and disparity of access but it doesn’t make it unfair because I made the choice to live where I do.
“Recent changes in GA law would allow him to do just that” (find more votes)
Please cite the portion of the GA law that will allow for the SoS to find more votes. Silly assertion on your part.
“So what if an election voter put me in the line for the wrong precinct? Should my vote be struck?”
Again, before the AZ law there were twenty-five states that already did not allow provisional ballots (i.e. a ballot cast at the wrong polling place) to be county (I have you the link earlier). Additionally, it should be noted that three states (Idaho, Minnesota, and New Hampshire) do not allow provisional ballots and in the state of North Dakota provisional ballots are only allowed in the event of a court order. IOW; twenty-nine states have provisional balloting restrictions.
GA law would allow votes alleged to be fraudulent to not be counted, and without proof, by the Republican-controlled local election boards. So, by this means, an election official could “find” votes. And…BTW: why doesn’t it bother you that Trump was demanding that Raffensberger manipulate vote totals? Turley hasn’t commented on that, either. Trump tried to do the same thing in Arizona. How is this not a felony?
The places where the lines are longest are places where there are mostly minorities. That is a fact. And, it would be a criminal offense to provide water or something to eat to those forced to wait hours in long lines. That could be remedied by extending early voting, and weekend voting, some of which has been eliminated: no more “souls to the polls”, in which predominately black churches transport the faithful to vote on Sunday after services. It is also a fact that poverty disproportionately affects minorities, and that personal service jobs are mostly held by lower income people and minorities, who don’t have paid time off to spend a day in line to vote, so they often vote by mail, which has had new restrictions and limitations placed, like fewer drop boxes and only certain people being allowed to deliver completed ballots. Again, where’s the fraud with mail voting? The biggest fact of all is that there was no widespread voter fraud that these laws allegedly were intended to remedy. Republicans are running scared after losing the Senate and the White House and their support nationally is slipping. Gerrymandering can only get them so far, so that’s why these laws were enacted. Why not read Elena Kagan’s outstanding 40-page dissent for more information and before telling me that I’m wrong? It might enlighten you.
“GA law would allow votes alleged to be fraudulent to not be counted, and without proof, by the Republican-controlled local election boards”
Not so, please read the actual law.
“BTW: why doesn’t it bother you that Trump was demanding that Raffensberger manipulate vote totals?”
It would bother me if anyone from any political party did so, good thing that’s not what happened and thankfully even the NYT had to acknowledge that. Does it bother you that in March 2021 a Judge in MI ruled that the SoS overstepped her authority and changed voting laws?
“The places where the lines are longest are places where there are mostly minorities”
Even if that’s the truth (which it actually isn’t) the reality is that the community can resolve that issue and I gave you the manner in which it can and should be done. In truth the GA law extends voting hours, but you know that.
“Why not read Elena Kagan’s outstanding 40-page dissent for more information and before telling me that I’m wrong?”
Don’t assume that I haven’t. It’s not enlightening but it is a great refuge for anyone that feels the desperate need to scream racism. Fact is, thirty-seven states have similar or exactly the same laws as AZ, including my home state of MI, but now . . . . such laws are racist even if they’ve been on the books for years and in the case of my home state (MI) signed by a Democrat. But . . . don’t let truth get in the way of lying and trying to call others names.
“Again, where’s the fraud with mail voting?”
Cute strawman. See . . . that’s not the allegation to begin with. However, in MI during the 2020 election since our SoS informed County Clerks to ignore the standards of verification for mail in ballots we’ll never know if any were wrongfully returned which would make them fraudulent. Thankfully, a MI Judge rules that the SoS was wrong and her newly created standards will not be in place going forward. Odd that folks always say, “there’s no or little evidence of fraud” – well, of course not . . . you can’t find fraud when you (a) change the rules and tell clerks they don’t have to verify the signature or (b) simply don’t require any upfront verification.
Anyhow . . . be well and have a great Independence Day in in one of the GREATEST and most diverse and AMAZING nations in the history of the world!
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2021/03/15/judge-rules-secretary-state-bensons-ballot-signature-verification-guidance-invalid/4699927001/
Did you see where the previously broke and in debt, trashy-supermarket-romance-novel-writer, Stacy Abrams, the self-declared rightful Governor of Georgia, just bought herself not one, but two new houses worth over a $ Million $? It sure is lucrative to lose an election and never concede loss, and to this day insist it was “stolen” from her.
It’s nice to be a Democrat.
Major parts? Quit using your belly button for a peep hole!
Kleptomania and senility.
Can a presidency be put in conservatorship?
There’s the problem– the conservator at law would be Kamala. Nobody, not even her own staff lately, wants anything to do with her. But the DOJ can always make up some b.s. violation to encourage her to step down.
Oh boy, then it’s Nancy.
It’s simple. It does not matter what crimes the Bidens, the Obamas, or the Clintons commit. The “law” does not apply to them. They are exempt. But the “law” always to the Trumps, even if the crimes have to be made up.
-Young,
There is an interesting idea. Perhaps it is better NOT to investigate. Probably better just to know what we know about the Biden’s family corruption.
At this point, would JB even know or be able to recall much of anything?
A hot mic incident the other day, Biden appears to have mistaken Maxine Waters for Val Demings.
Upstate– Too true. JB is rapidly sinking to the point where he could legitimately be declared incompetent to stand trial. Unfortunately, that also seems to be true of too many of our current political class, Maxine, for example. Maybe Maxine thought she was Val Demings for a little while too. Isn’t that hair of hers ‘cultural [or racial] appropriation’ by the way?
Hunter Biden? Sure as soon as we look into, Trump’s daughter worked at the WH, her husband worked at the WH. Rudy’s son worked at the WH, Barr’s son-in-law worked at the WH, Barr’s daughter works at treasury, Trump’s sons did foreign business while their father played golf and rented golf carts from Trump for the Secret Service. Trump’s daughter was getting Chinese patents and she and her husband were getting loans from Qatar and others.
None of Trumps kids have been seriously accused of any wrongdoing (the libel medias attempts at manufactured “bombshells” not withstanding).
Not the son’s at least however Jared Kushner used his father in law to make $100’s of millions. Jared received a $500 million in loans from bankers that he met INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE. Jared was bailed out of his $1.5 billion failed investment in 666 fifth avenue by a company controlled by Qatar’s wealth fund. If Trump wasn’t Jared’s father in law there is no way he would have got that bail out that spared his family from bankruptcy. Of course the media doesn’t touch this story because Jared is one of the untouchables.
what about what about what about…can’t we all just get on the same page and hope for the country to once again have leadership that we can trust and who has the country’s best interests at heart? Or is that time past and we are sliding faster and faster into the abyss?
Too bad there isn’t some federal law enforcement agency established to look into problems like this.
But perhaps some are afraid to truly investigate because nobody wants Kamala.
Rumors are that Jill and Kamala are at war. If they could pin something on Kamala she could do a Spiro Agnew and someone less of a screwball, like Elizabeth W could be appointed VP to do a Gerald Ford and step up when Joe deflates completely. Better hurry.
Heating up faster than I thought.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/07/02/harris-mistreatment-employees-dissent-white-house-infighting:
“less of a screwball, like Elizabeth W”
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Who are you, and what did you do with Young?
Sam– I detest Elizabeth W but the reality is that she is far more palatable to the Dem establishment than Kamala. I think I fear her more than Kamala because she is just as vile but more competent.
I do wish the election had not been stolen.
Young, it’s got to be that cackle. I found Kamala a turnoff. So did most Democrat primary voters.
Jill Biden seems like a nice person. She comes across that way. Somehow, her smile and laugh come across as more genuine and warm than Kamala’s odd laugh. You know I have harshly criticized Joe Biden. But I will say that his wife seems to be openly very attached to him. They seem like a team.
Kamala’s cackle is her ‘voice of Dorian Gray’ in that it represents her true self. Unlike the fictional Dorian Gray’s portrait, she can’t hide it.
Maybe she can rent the cackle to Hollywood for witch movies.
Jill seems like a nice caretaker for an elderly citizen with rapidly advancing dementia. Whoopi assures us that Jill is ‘one helluva doctor’. I wonder who guides Whoopi around, speaking of dementia.
And VOGUE wants us to know that in beauty and style Jill outshines Melania. A bit of dementia apparently catching in Vogue offices too.
By the way, does it seem as if the usual trolls here don’t do much to defend Kamala? Maybe they work for Jill and/or the DNC–or China.
“. . . nobody wants Kamala.”
The problem with KH is that she tries to appear deep. If she would just present herself as she is — shallow and incompetent — she wouldn’t be so reprehensible.