There was an unnerving conversation between between Biden White House Communications Director Kate Bedingfield and MSNBC host Mika Brzezinski that shows how much ground has been lost on principles of free speech. In an exchange on Morning Joe, Brzezinski asks Bedingfield why Biden has not completed his promised review of Section 230 and create an avenue to held social media companies “accountable in a real way” for spreading “misinformation” about vaccines. Brzezinski ignores not only the constitutional implications of such a move but ignores how such an approach would eviscerate free speech and free press rights. Equally chilling is the response. Bedingfield agrees and assured Brzezinski that the Biden Administration believes these companies should be held accountable for allowing others to voice doubts or dissenting opinions on such questions.
Bedingfield assures Brzezinski that they are “reviewing” Section 230 and that the Biden Administration does believe that the media companies need to be held “accountable.”
Vaccine “truth” has become the latest means for calling for more censorship from social media companies. It is better than the prior use of election misinformation because now advocates can claim that free speech is actually killing people. Indeed, President Joe Biden recently declared publicly that Facebook is “killing people” by not censoring free speech. He later walked back his comments.
Keep in mind that these companies already have the largest censorship system in our history. It is being managed by private corporations but directed to some extent by government officials. Just this week, the White House admitted it has been flagging “misinformation” for Facebook to censor. This outsourcing of censorship allows government officials to do indirectly what they cannot do directly. It creates the specter of a type of shared shadow state.
Facebook only recently announced that people on its platform may discuss the origins of COVID-19, after previously censoring such discussion — but it still bars opposing views on vaccinations and the pandemic. Other companies actively block wayward thoughts and views; last week, YouTube was fined by a German court for censoring videos of protests over COVID restrictions.
When Twitter’s CEO Jack Dorsey came before the Senate to apologize for blocking the Hunter Biden story before the election as a mistake, senators pressed him and other Big Tech executive for more censorship.
In that hearing, members like Sen. Mazie Hirono (D., HI) pressed witnesses like Mark Zuckerberg and Jack Dorsey for assurance that Trump would remain barred from speaking on their platforms: “What are both of you prepared to do regarding Donald Trump’s use of your platforms after he stops being president, will be still be deemed newsworthy and will he still be able to use your platforms to spread misinformation?”
Rather than addressing the dangers of such censoring of news accounts, Senator Chris Coons pressed Dorsey to expand the categories of censored material to prevent people from sharing any views that he considers “climate denialism.” Likewise, Senator Richard Blumenthal seemed to take the opposite meaning from Twitter, admitting that it was wrong to censor the Biden story. Blumenthal said that he was “concerned that both of your companies are, in fact, backsliding or retrenching, that you are failing to take action against dangerous disinformation.” Accordingly, he demanded an answer to this question:
“Will you commit to the same kind of robust content modification playbook in this coming election, including fact checking, labeling, reducing the spread of misinformation, and other steps, even for politicians in the runoff elections ahead?”
“Robust content modification” has a certain appeal, like a type of software upgrade. It is not content modification. It is censorship. If our representatives are going to crackdown on free speech, they should admit to being advocates for censorship.
The public however is not entirely sold on censorship on an expanding array of subjects from gender identification to election fraud to criticism of foreign governments. That is why the pandemic is the perfect vehicle for getting a free people to turn against free speech. You simply declare, as did Biden, that free speech kills. It can kill you. You then push companies to censor more under the threat of being held “accountable.”
The fact is that you generally cannot hold people legally “accountable” for saying things that politicians or media figures like Brzezinski do not like about vaccines or climate change or any other controversy. The regulation of companies can offer some regulatory avenues for inducing corporate censorship like threatening to take away immunity if they do not serve as surrogate censors. However, that can also raise constitutional issues both as a question of corporate speech or converting these companies into state actors.
The greatest danger is that these political and media figures are signaling that they want even greater levels of censorship and that these private companies will accommodate them. They already have. The result is the expansion of an already massive censorship system that controls much of our political discourse.
Here’s my question for JT: Going back before the Internet and anyone-can-publish, if you wanted a voice in public affairs, you had to go through an editor, or in radio/TV, a producer. These gatekeepers exercised complete discretionary control over what got published via their platforms. Was that gatekeeping thought to be an assault on the First Amendment?….a diminution of free speech?
pbinca– “if you wanted a voice in public affairs, you had to go through an editor, or in radio/TV, a producer.”
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Not true. Your premise is false.
During the Sixties activists and students published their own ‘underground’ newspapers that had wide circulation. The Berkeley Barb was one that was very prominent and influential.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Barb
Anyone who wanted to put in the effort could and can print and publish their own papers. I knew of several over decades.
Death may be necessary due to censorship.
“…And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”
― Thomas Jefferson, Letters of Thomas Jefferson
A monument in our nations capital to the man that said this, only monuments to those that would support censorship exist in places were freedom is denied.
Tony warns, “Death may be necessary due to censorship.”
Apparently, you “3 percenters” don’t know how tanks work. Stop talking tough and bring it.
Which tabis would they be?
For decades all we heard was how Free Speech was in danger from the Rightwing when in fact it was the Left that needed to be feared all along
I ask you whats a worse form of censorship. Censoring porn or adult language off airwaves or censoring peoples personal beliefs or thoughts. I think Id rather have back the the other censorship
Oh Canada! Is this what the administration wants here?
https://westernstandardonline.com/2021/07/rcmp-applaud-censorship-bill-will-help-in-prosecutions
Maybe the Biden administration is coming around to the idea that, as entities protected by the government (section 230) these companies should be treated as a proxy of the government WRT the US constitution.
Throughout history you can find a recurring phrase uttered by all the despots of the past. “We are limiting what can be read or seen for the safety of the people” has been a common reason justifying their taking over of all aspects of the lives of the citizenry. You can look at every totalitarian nation and you will find this common thread. Now we see the same thread today when we are told that free speech must be eliminated because people might get sick. There is another tactic that must be employed to take control. The second tactic must be the encouragement of fear by the people. The recurring theme by evil men is their telling the people that they must be very afraid and that their leaders are doing what they are doing to save them from whatever fear the leaders themselves created. Consider fear of Jew and fear of the White man as examples. Just as some found on this forum there have always been ordinary men that they will find who will voluntarily do their bidding. https://www.litcharts.com/lit/ordinary-men/summary. History tells the future. Now we must choose.
From Jew privilege to White privilege. Redistributive change and social justice. Diversity, inequity, and exclusion. A wicked solution, too.
Two excellent points:
Despotism — Because the Higher Authorities know better than you do what’s good/bad for you. (A vicious premise that comes from Plato.)
Real or imagined emergencies, used by power-lusters to destroy individual rights.
Laughably ironic. Mark Sukerbergfish must be thinking that he has done everything the Democrats wanted by shutting down Trump’s voice and not allowing people to know about the Biden family’s coziness with China. Suckerbergfish must wonder why the Biden Administration now wants to be the ones who directly tell him what to censor. Before the just gave him a hint to limit their political opponents ability to get out their information but now it’s come to direct orders on how and when to do so. Suckerbergfish must be in amazement about how quickly the Democrats have turned on him after all he’s done for them. It’s to late now because the talons have been sunk deep beneath the scales. Why are you trying to eat me Mr. Eagle cries the Suckerbergfish. Don’t you remember that I tried to help you, laments the fish. The Democratic eagle responds, “don’t you understand Mr, Suckerburgfish we do what we do because we are Democratic Socialist Eagles and it is our nature to gain total control of our prey without mercy”. “You should have known”. Then the suckerbergfish quietly accepted his fate and took his last free breath.
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Turley’s Odd Priorities: ‘Free Speech Over Public Health’
If Professor Turley, or any of the conservative regulars here, followed mainstream media, they would know that the Delta Varient is currently surging around the world. And here in the U.S. the virus is sweeping all those Red States where vaccination rates are lowest.
Below are a few paragraphs from this morning’s Guardian.
“The highly contagious Delta variant of Covid-19 is galloping across America and accounts for 83% of all sequenced cases in the US, a top federal health official said on Tuesday.
“This is a dramatic increase, up from 50% [in] the week of 4 July,” Rochelle Walensky, the director of the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), said in Senate testimony.
Walensky also said Covid fatalities had risen by nearly 48% over the past week to an average of 239 a day.
The national vaccination campaign has slowed down significantly, with the US administering 521,000 doses daily, a 85% decrease from a peak in April, when 3.38m doses were put into arms every day”.
From: “First Thing: Delta becomes America’s dominant Covid strain”
Today’s Guardian
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One has to stop and ask what is more important now: ‘Free speech on social media, or preventing another nationwide quarantine?”
Professor Turley seems to think America is rich enough to close-down again while everyone sits out the Delta Varient. But one should note that Mitch McConnell, of all people, issued a statement yesterday encouraging vaccinations.
This is why I refuse to use Facebook or Twitter and to be vaccinated.
In essence, the White House wants to control the message, punish those who dissent, prevent discussion. They want Pravda.
Yet they accuse limited government, strong individual rights conservatives as the fascists, with a straight face.
No, Karen, the White House isn’t “controlling” anything, nor does it punish dissenters. Flagging disinformation and lies on social media is not controlling. Americans look to our validly -elected POTUS to lead us out of the pandemic. Social media is free to do what it wants. What is there to “discuss” about vaccination? Name some reputable physician, public health official, medical or nursing society or any other credible source of accurate information that dissuades people from getting vaccinated. The White House doesn’t call anyone “fascists”–that’s what you disciples do. What your post proves is that Turley’s little red meat piece hit home, like it’s designed to.
“The White House doesn’t call anyone ‘fascists’”
You are correct.
Instead, the administration smears dissenters as “extremists,” “domestic terrorists,” and “white supremacists.”
And then proceeds to root those dissenters (euphemistically called “extremists”) out of the military, out of law enforcement, off social media, out of academia, . . .
KAREN thinks the ‘rights’ of Anti-Vaxers outweigh public health.
And the ‘free speech’ of Climate Deniers outweighs the planet’s survival. Or so one presumes.
Yesterday torrential rains in China overwhelmed the subway system of a major city there. International news accounts showed videos of commuters standing up to their chests in water ‘on board’ a subway car!
Meanwhile, atmospheric conditions from western wildfires have darkened the skies of New York City.
It appears the most dire predictions of scientists are actively playing out. Climate Change is no longer a futuristic, hypothetical possibility. It is here and now!!
Denial of Climate Change and Denial of Vaccines can no longer be tolerated.
“Denial of Climate Change and Denial of Vaccines can no longer be tolerated”
Trumpists would rather go down with the ship than admit their mistakes. They refuse to believe what they don’t want to know. It’s not ideological anymore; it’s personal.
Jeff, since you and others are so concerned about the fires in the West why don’t you go there and work on the fire line. I just heard from someone in that area that they are desperate for firefighters.
Instead of prattling about saving the world, this is your chance to actually go there and save a part of it. It would be fun and an interesting experience. Good exercise too. Nothing like working day and night and day again with an ax, shovel and pulaski to help you focus.
I just hope, Young, that you live long enough to bear witness to the disastrous climate consequences of your pig-headedness which even you won’t be able any longer to deny.
So you don’t have the stomach for going over and actually doing something real like helping on the fire line to conttol a wild fire?
Talk, as they say Jeff, is cheap.
I don’t know why I bother giving your asinine comments a reply. You are pushing your luck. Keep it up, and I’ll add you to my list. You are on probation as it is.
So “No” then.
You talk a lot, but when you have an opportunity to go on a fireline and save some forest you hold back. Easy to do it. Call any ranger station in the area and they will have you on the line in a moment. Buy a pair of caulk boots, tough jeans [put your designer jeans in the closet] a work shirt and a jacket that will keep you from freezing when you sleep on an open hillside. They will likely give you a helmet and light and a shovel. You can’t be trusted with a double bit ax if you haven’t used one before.
But you won’t. Soy boys don’t last.
Don’t want blisters on your delicate hands.
My hands are very soft indeed. Unlike your calloused hands, the only thing mine handle is money.
Like most leftist poseurs.
I don’t pretend to be a Leftist. I am one. I count my lucky stars that I did not turn out like you.
I didn’t say you were posing as a leftist. I know you are. I said you are a leftist poseur.
The romantic idea of s leftist is Strelnikov in Dr. Zhivago or Gavrilo Princip in Sarajevo.
The poseurs are those who pretend to be Princip but whose delicate hands handle money and end up like Chavez or the Castro brothers., feigning concern for others while amassing benefits for themselves. Frauds in other words.
Hope that clears it up.
Great movie, Dr. Zhivago. I don’t recall that Strelnikov was a poseur. He seemed rather brutal though he had a weakness for Lara Antipova, and who wouldn’t!
Perhaps you are confusing Strelnikov with Victor Komarovsky, who played both sides of the Revolution.
The Davos/Sun Valley folks who tell us to use less gas flew to their luncheon in private jets.
Gore and Obama who told us rising seas will soon destroy coastal cities bought multi-million dollar mansions on the sea shore.
Why is that?
Substantiate your first claim with facts. All of them? Just for a single dejuener? And don’t give me the Trumpist line, “people are saying….”
As for Gore and Obama’s seaside mansions, I’m afraid that I’m not aware of the locations of their residences. Send me links proving their proximity to the coast, and I’ll answer your question.
https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+mansion+martha's+vineyard&oq=obams+mansion+&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j0i13j0i22i30j0i10i22i30.17477j1j7&client=tablet-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
https://www.google.com/search?client=tablet-android-samsung&q=Obama+mansion+Hawaii&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjmvvKNpfbxAhUFqJ4KHeX5AWIQ1QIwA3oECAQQAQ&biw=800&bih=1280&dpr=1.5
Nice digs! So, your argument is that the fact that Obama bought waterfront estates disproves the overwhelming scientific consensus of man-made global warming? Or that he is just a hypocrite? I presume that you regard the recent spate of climate induced flooding, drought, high temperature records, and forest fires is just mere coincidence? How many consecutive years of these historic climactic conditions will there need to be before you might give some credence to science?
How many consecutive years of these historic climactic conditions will there need to be before you might give some credence to science?
🤔 Historic you say. How long? How long ago were we warned about historic climate conditions bringing on the next Ice Age? And yes, your Lefty idols are hypocrites. Either that, or they are morons. Take your pick, neither of which reflects well on the useful idiots that support them.
Historic in the sense of record-breaking. I have no idols unlike you Trumpists. I readily admit Biden has a few screws loose and Hunter is a degenerate. The problem with you American Nazis is that your Fuehrer can do no wrong in your eyes. You see what you want to see, and you refuse to accept what you can’t abide. Living with such delusions is no way to go through life, but, hey, to each his own. Just keep your distance.
Wow, record-breaking. That’s so much different than historic. If only their were historical records that documented extreme heatwaves, you know, like these:
https://realclimatescience.com/1500-years-of-heatwaves/
Ok. I give up. I get it. You won’t believe in man-made climate change until Levin tells you to. Tell us the chapter and verse of what Levin thinks of climate change in his book which he brow-beated his followers day in and day out to buy. Go ahead, tell us how climate science is a subterfuge to undermine our capitalist system and has as its purpose to destroy our freedoms and our institutions.
Unlike you Silberman, I don’t need Levin, or anyone to tell me what to think. I was taught how to think. I’m a process and systems thinker and I question everything.
As far as climate change goes, I have no doubt humans contribute to it nominally. I also am aware that the US has been leading the world in CO2 emission reductions. China and India have been increasing. There are no magical boundaries for emissions. China and India effect the entire planet. It would be a national security disaster to destroy our economy to “save the planet”, all the while China is marching toward world dominance.
Perhaps you can explain the liberal logic in shutting down the Keystone XL pipeline and clearing the way for the Nord Stream 2 pipeline to be completed? Put another way, had on day 1 of his administration, President Trump shutdown Keystone and cleared Nord Stream 2, Democrats would have likely had huge, bipartisan support for impeachment.
“I’m a process and systems thinker”
La-di-da!
“I question everything.”
No kidding? You have any questions about Trump’s veracity?
Olly, Jeff knows nothing and says almost nothing. It’s all dumb words without real content. When you remove all of Jeffs words without content you are left with nothing. Hot air and Jeff are almost synonymous.
Absolutely. As I do with every politician. I’m an Independent. Facts and evidence have proven him right about nearly everything of consequence to this country for 4 years. Conversely, Biden has proven himself a disaster for our country in just 6 months. You must be so proud.
Nearly everything of *consequence* you say? That’s quite a hedge. It leaves you quite a bit of wiggle room to admit that there were many Trump lies that were of no “consequence.” To you, anyway.
Olly, look at Jeff’s last comment. What has he said? Nothing. What facts did he bring to the table? Nothing. He is full of hot air.
He’s sprung a leak. 😉
IIn 1989 there was a UN claim that nations would be underwater if global warming wasn’t reversed by 2000
We heard something similar from Al Gore in 2006. He said we had 10 years.
Over and over again, we hear devastating claims. The truth is these climate scientists know a lot less than people think they do. They even make things up and lie.
We have chicken little over here who knows next to nothing about climate science and just about everything else. I don’t know enough about climate science to draw a definitive timeline. I do know (like I knew 20 years ago) that if we face catastrophic climate change, there is nothing we are doing today that will reverse it. If it is a slow change, we will adjust to it and develop technologies to meet our needs.
Jeff acts in his usual stupid fashion claiming Mark Levin determines what people think about climate change. He figures by insulting another, he shows that he has a superior understanding of climate science. All he is doing is to prove himself stupid and uninformed.
Jeff , for you & your friends still stuck retaking kindergarten here’ s a couple of clues.
Type in Geo-Engineering into a search emgine &
https://nypost.com/2021/07/21/dubai-making-its-own-rain-to-beat-120-degree-heat/
After you research that your people can shove your Climate Change & Carbon Reduction up you azzes as they’re still complete Scams meant for mental retards & it’s a complete waste of time to respond to your comments.
Then don’t.
S. Meyer,
You are right, of course. There is too much money and too many opportunities for social control in climate science for it to be taken at face value.
You probably remember the big Copenhagen climate meeting between world leaders than Obama sort of attended. Much of the climate science then, and now, was coming from the Hadley Climate Research Unit in East Anglia headed by, I believe, Phil Jones. Though in England, it was linked with climatologists throughout the world.
Just as the Copenhagen meeting was getting set to begin somebody connected with the Climate Research Unit dumped a lot of very damaging emails and documents onto the web. One of the directed recipients was the website Watts Up With That https://wattsupwiththat.com/. The email dump became known as Climategate and it slammed a torpedo into the Copenhagen conference.
One of the things I recall was an email exchange saying that they had to find some way to hide the Medieval Warm Period, a time when temperatures were at least as high as they are now. There have been several periods like that, the Roman warm period for one, and weather changes that had nothing to do with SUVs likely weakened the Akkadian Empire and, if memory serves, there was a cold snap about 8,000 before the present that put a dent in the progress of the Neolithic.
In any event, it seemed they wanted to hide the Medieval Warm Period so that our current warming would look more alarming. In another email Phil Jones, the director, admitted that he didn’t really know how to use Excel. A comment made by a programmer in some of the software was along the lines of, “I don’t know what this does and nobody else has any idea.”
It is no wonder that their predictions have been so disastrously wrong in almost every instance. The CRU said that winters would be mild in the UK and snow would be a thing of the past, a theme picked up by The Independent in an infamous article that has been mocked for years and then deleted. http://www.globalwarming.org/2010/12/27/headline-2000-snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past/
Based on that prediction England prepared for a mild winter. They were hit with savage cold. Arctic birds were seen in Cornwall, and many died of cold because of power failures in a system that was not prepared. Roads were a problem because nobody stored enough grit to spread on snow since they didn’t expect snow ever again.
Predictions that end up like that, supposed warm weather that turns out to be nastily cold are said to be subject to The Gore Effect.
In the meantime there is this from Armstrong and Miller
” The email dump became known as Climategate …”
Young, once people engage in unscientific explanations and refuse to put promoters of lies under the microscope I become very suspicious.
People like Michael Mann, who lied, didn’t destroy any faith I had in their side of the argument. Their toleration of such actions destroyed any of my beliefs in their sincerity causing me to question things I never previously would have thought to question.
(While searching to recall Micael Mann’s name I saw an article whose conclusion says things better, though a bit dated.)
“Conclusion: A principal reason that the American public consistently puts “global warming” and “climate change” as low priorities is the well documented lies, misrepresentations and omissions that the IPCC and its Climategate scientists choose to put forth, and the climate realities they choose to hide. As a result of this style of science corruption, the public does not believe this branch of science any longer. The U.S. Congress would do the nation a huge favor if it defunded climate science research by about 50%, with new marching orders to clean house and come back for new funding when objective, empirical-based climate science is paramount.”
https://www.c3headlines.com/2012/08/penn-state-lie-senate-climate-change-ipcc-corruption.html
S. Meyer- Often the global warming scare stories are with pictures of New York or Miami mostly underwater. That, they say, is what we risk..
Yet these posters here seem to be saying that sea levels that will innundate New York won’t be a problem for Obama’s magic beachfront property because of drainage or something. Or maybe the unicorns will hold the sea back.
Many of their arguments drift into nonsense like that. EB, Nstch and Jeff are very similar.
“Many of their arguments drift into nonsense like that. EB, Nstch and Jeff are very similar.”
Young, Yes, they are all similar and carry names, shmegegge, pisher and schlump. The oysshteler has already left the blog.
Young, you were talking about climate change somewhere. I thought this would be an interesting addition.
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Another Climate Alarm Loses Its Mojo
We all know the Great Barrier Reef is in danger of disappearing because of c—— c—–. The climatistas tell us so, at every opportunity:
Well guess what Mom? Check in with The Australian (behind a paywall so here is the relevant text—made available by the indispensable Global Warming Policy Foundation):
The annual data on coral cover for the Great Barrier Reef, produced by the Australian Institute of Marine Science, was released on Monday showing the amount of coral on the reef is at record high levels. Record high, despite all the doom stories by our reef science and management institutions.
Like all other data on the reef, this shows it is in robust health. For example, coral growth rates have, if anything, increased over the past 100 years and measurements of farm pesticides reaching the reef show levels so low that they cannot be detected with the most ultra-sensitive equipment.
Continued at: https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/07/another-climate-alarm-loses-its-mojo.php
S. Meyer– Thanks for the coral reef information. It does not surprise me that they are doing well. I expect life to adapt. Otherwise we wouldn’t be here. Nor anything else.
Some argue here that an island is a better place to be with rising oceans.
For some reason, despite that good information, authorities keep insisting that the Florida Keys be evacuated when a big storm surge is expected from a hurricane. Maybe remembering the Islamorada Key incident informs that decision.
Nice example of Leftist thinking though. They warn of rising seas from global warming but argue that everything is dandy with Obama’s seaside homes. That is Natasha style thinking and it apparently is catching.
Young, of course, you make sense. The guy you are responding to doesn’t bother with facts and numbers. What he says might be applied when comparing certain specific coastal regions where an island nearby also exists. One would have to consider several things, including the slope of the ocean floor, the height of the island and mainland, and the distance.
Lives in a bubble.
Supreme gas guzzlers Branson and Bezos put the Davos/Sun Valley crowd to shame.
Idiotic. Matching another persona.
Strange thing about ‘climate science’ is that the more its predictions fail the more money that is poured into it. And the greater the push for authoritarianism. It is almost as if real science has nothing to do with the process.
It takes all sides to create science. These guys are mental midgets. They probably met in the bin at the lost and found department of the local kindergarten.
“Meanwhile, atmospheric conditions from western wildfires have darkened the skies of New York City.”
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The giant 1910 Fire in the West sent smoke around the world. You imagine this has never happened before?
“the most dire predictions of scientists are actively playing out”
If that were true the ice caps would already he gone, hurricanes would be bigger, more frequent and more destructive, and snow would be a thing of the past. Almost none of the predictions has come true.
Chaos theory was begun by s meteorologist. Weather is chaotic and changes. Calm down. Come out from under the bed. It will be easier to type nonsense.
Oh yes, I forgot: all of the polar bears should have drowned by now.
“Piece of My Heart”
I want you to come on, come on, come on, come on and take it
I said come on, come on, come on, come on and take it
I need you to come on, come on, come on, come on and take it
– Janis Joplin
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“Big Tech” is private property per the 5th Amendment.
No person shall be deprived of private property in any aspect.
The right to private property is not qualified by the Constitution and is, therefore, absolute.
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“[Private property is] that dominion which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in exclusion of every other individual.”
– James Madison
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Understanding that statutes against property damage and bodily injury are constitutional, “Big Tech” can do whatever it chooses with its private property.
Congress may “take” private property for “public use” after just compensation.
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5th Amendment
No person shall be…deprived of…property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
It´s become obvious that secession is the only way forward. Left and right simply can’t live with each other anymore.
“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
– Declaration of Independence, 1776
By Gad, Turley, you have an amazing ability to twist the facts: ” now advocates can claim that free speech is actually killing people.” You know better than that. What is killing people is politically-motivated lies about the vaccine, discouraging people from getting vaccinated as a means to derail Biden’s presidency because Trump and Republicans are sore losers and don’t care about either the will of the American people or their welfare. And, sometimes, the language is oh so subtle: “we’re just asking questions”, “we have a right to our own opinions”, “we don’t believe the CDC because Fauci is a liar, so nothing the CDC says can be trusted”….but, “we’re not telling you not to get vaccinated”.
More Turley distortions of truth: “It [social media] is being managed by private corporations but directed to some extent by government officials. Just this week, the White House admitted it has been flagging “misinformation” for Facebook to censor. This outsourcing of censorship allows government officials to do indirectly what they cannot do directly. It creates the specter of a type of shared shadow state.” First, where’s the proof that social media companies are following marching orders from the White House? Even you admit that Facebook is allowing anyone to opine about the origins of the virus, which has not yet been determined. Claiming that “government officials” are “indirectly” censoring social media is based on nothing. More red meat for the gullibles.
Turley speaks of the “dangers of censoring news accounts”. What “news”? The daily drivel put out by the network that pays him? Like the phony, stinky “Hunter Biden laptop scandal”?
The side effects you experienced with the vax shots scared you, didn’t they?
Eric Clapton has been speaking out about his own experience with vaccine side effects that he said “frightened the sh*t” out of him. Now he’s issued a statement against Boris Johnson’s push to discriminate against those who are not vaxxed.
No, they didn’t “scare” me at all. I was uncomfortable for a few hours, but reassured not only that the vaccine was working, but the illness it was preventing would have been exponentially much worse, and so I didn’t have to worry about getting it. I could have died. And, it’s not “discrimination” to separate people who refuse to take reasonable measures to prevent others from getting sick.
“And, it’s not “discrimination” to separate people who refuse to take reasonable measures to prevent others from getting sick.”
Send healthy people to a leper colony.
Charming.
Why hasn’t those Evil B*stards Fauci Bill Gate been Criminally Charged & arrested yet?
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Doctor Announces He Has Proof of Over 45K COVID Vaccine Deaths
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Jul 19, 2021
https://banned.video/watch?id=60f60cc4c3f23d6e1772e05f
Natacha
And here folks, we have a typical unhinged Lefty response.
Contemptuous of Turley, but a voracious and reliable reader.
The obligatory reference to Fox News.
The rote denial of the Hunter Biden scandal.
Natacha is like Don Quixote without the humor or the compassion.
People like Natacha are beyond reach; fortunately she is part of a minority (though they do have loud megaphones).
Produce for me the proof that the hard drive Giuliani came up with was ever owned by Hunter Biden. If you can’t, then shut up about it. The timing (after Trump performed badly in the first debate) and source (Giuliani) stink so much that the story has no credibility. You want to call me “unhinged”, but why do you believe this story in the first place?
The only things that point to its being Hunter’s machine is that he left it for repair, his pictures, documents amd emails are all over the drive, that he admitted it could be his, and that his lawyer tried, in writing, to get it back. Why try to recover a machine that isn’t yours and you shouldn’t even know exists unless it is yours?
That alone, and there are other things, is more than enough to convince sane people that it belonged to Hunter.
What did you ask, why people call you unhinged?
Young, don’t forget that third parties who sent the emails, or to whom they were sent, or who were copied on them, have confirmed that they are genuine.
Daniel, thanks! That screws it to the wall. Very good evidence, proof really, and I had forgotten it.
But in a day or so Natch will be back saying there is no proof it is Hunter’s laptop, that Trump is telling people not to get vaccinated, and that nothing indicates that the Wuhan virus escaped from the lab and wondering why people think she is demented.
There is no proof as to the source of the COVID virus. Stop trying to re-name the virus. As to your hero, here’s what he said over the weekend, which is far from endorsing vaccination:
“Former President Donald Trump is offering his opinion on why millions of Americans are hesitant to get vaccinated against COVID-19.
In a statement on Sunday, the former president said, “Joe Biden kept talking about how good of a job he’s doing on the distribution of the Vaccine that was developed by Operation War Speed or, quite simply, the Trump Administration. He’s not doing well at all.”
“He’s way behind schedule, and people are refusing to take the Vaccine because they don’t trust his Administration, they don’t trust the election results, and they certainly don’t trust the Fake News, which is refusing to tell them the Truth,” Trump added.”
Now, did he add something like: “but you should definitely go ahead and get the shot, because it’s safe and effective”? Is anything about this statement supportive of vaccination? No. In fact, he is encouraging his disciples to continue distrusting the vaccine because he won’t stop telling the Big Lie and won’t stop accusing media of lying.
Natch: “[Trump said] but you should definitely go ahead and get the shot, because it’s safe and effective”
Natch: ” Is anything about this statement supportive of vaccination? ”
I will let you figure that one out for yourself. Maybe you will see why so many posters think you might be a bit demented.
Do you have trouble with reading comprehension? I rhetorically asked whether Trump, after reinforcing the Big Lie and encouraging the faithful to distrust media added any pro-vaccination wording, which he didn’t. THAT was the point. The quoted material was an example of wording that Trump didn’t add. There was no language encouraging the faithful to get vaccinated or do anything other that believe the Big Lie and to distrust mainstream media. Since mainstream media is the only place they would unequivocally hear the truth about the safety and efficacy of the vaccine and the risks of not getting vaccinated, Trump’s comment was definitely reinforcing the anti-vaccination rhetoric that is killing Americans. And…for what reason? To prevent Biden’s presidency from succeeding, even if it means Americans will get sick and some will die, and the economy will once again falter.
Natch: “THAT was the point. The quoted material was an example of wording that Trump didn’t add. ”
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I see. Don’t try to be so convoluted.
I don’t suppose he said it again because he has said it so many times before. I sent links to you before.
For example: https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-recommends-covid-19-vaccines-to-his-backers-11615945504
And yet you still don’t get it.
Natacha, we see that you claim that Trump didn’t say that people should get the COVID-19 vaccination. Her is a little peace of information you overlooked. https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210317/trump-urges-americans-get-covid-vaccine. WebMD says that Trump encouraged people to get the vaccine and Natacha says he didn’t. My oh my, who ya gonna believe. Natacha, it literally required less than two minutes research to find what Trump actually said. I guess once your there there is no escape from Fantasyland.
Natacha, in your post at 1:50 you stated that there is no proof that COVID was produced in a lab. The point is that social media blocked all information questioning if it could have been released from a lab because Donald Trump said that it could have come from a lab. The Global Preparedness Monitoring Board in there annual report of 2019 stated that an accidental release is something to be concerned with. You will find the pertinent statement on page eight. https://apps.who.int/gpmb/assets/annual_report/GPMB_annualreport_2019.pdf. You are correct that no definitive proof has been found but just this week China has announced that it will allow no inspection of the Wuhan lab. Aren’t you just a little curious about what China may be hiding? Just think, how things might have been different if we were able to know the nature of the virus earlier. You have shown concern for the children in your other posts. How many more children would now be sitting on their Grandmothers lap if we would have known the properties of the virus sooner. TDS has far reaching consequences. That’s alright, no empathy is a requirement of the TDS crowd.
Natch: “There is no proof as to the source of the COVID virus.”
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It was a type of virus being worked on in the Wuhan lab in the city where the outbreak occurred.
The Wuhan lab was failing to use the appropriate level of security for the level of ‘gain of function’ operations their own documents declare they were doing.
No natural source of the virus has been discovered.
Occam’s Razor puts the virus escape in that lab.
A prima facie case has been made. At this point it is up to the deniers to prove that it did NOT escape from the lab. Can you do that?
China is putting enormous pressure on the world to try to shift the blame. They just denied WHO access to investigate further.
Funding for the gain of function experiments has been traced back to Fauci.
He has every reason to try to shift blame.
If any one American can be said to be responsible for millions of Wuhan virus death, that American could very well be Fauci.
Dr. Fauci put Sen. Rand Paul in his place when he tried to confront him with this big lie. Did you watch the video? If you did, then you know that the CDC and the NIS did not fund any “gain of function experiments” because that is molecularly impossible. Rand Paul doesn’t know what he’s talking about. It’s just more red meat for you disciples. Trump attacked Fauci because he exposed Trump for the ignoramus that he is, so alt-right media, Republicans in Congress and you faithful disciples do the same. Facts don’t faze you. Rand Paul says that Fauci personally (how this is possible, he doesn’t explain) “funded gain of function experiments”.
No source, natural or otherwise, has been identified. And, for the last time, there is no “Wuhan” virus, either. The hero you worship doesn’t get to name viruses, especially after he failed to bully China into a trade deal. This sort of rhetoric is fueling anti-Asia hate, and it has to stop.
Natch: “If you did [watch the video], then you know that the CDC and the NIS did not fund any “gain of function experiments” because that is molecularly impossible.”
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I watched it. Fauci acted like every other innocent person on death row for murder. “I didn’t do it.”
Gain of function experiments are, of course, possible. Didn’t you see Paul hold up the Wuhan lab document showing the Wuhan lab was doing gain of function experiments? Didn’t you see Paul hold up Fauci’s own, earlier, statement of what gain of function is?
Here is a Scientific American article on ‘gain of function’ research.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-scientists-tweak-lab-viruses-to-make-them-more-contagious1/
Fauci once argued that gain of function experiments were so valuable that they outweighed the risks of a pandemic.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fauci-argued-benefits-of-gain-of-function-research-outweighed-pandemic-risk-in-2012-paper/
It most certainly is not molecularly impossible. It is being done all around the world. It is done for different purposes, but it is the experiments that make viruses more dangerous to humans that are worrisome.
What Ron Paul said was true. What Fauci said was to cover up his arrogance that may have caused the deaths of many Americans.
Name some of the third parties who allegedly “confirmed that they (e-mails) are genuine.” Since I know you got this sh*t from alt-right media, I know you can’t provide any credible or non-biased source who claims this. It’s just like Giuliani’s “affidavits” he attached to the various “election fraud” lawsuits that got laughed out of court–neither the sources nor the substance are credible, and that’s why Giuliani got suspended from the practice of law.
Don’t you think that “pictures, documents and e-mails” could be faked? It is likely that his lawyer wanted the machine to prove it wasn’t his. In fact, if it was Hunter’s, then Giuliani’s possession of the hard drive is conversion and/or theft, so it must be returned. But, it wasn’t… why do you think this is? And…why would Hunter abandon a hard drive with such information in the first place? The story still stinks to high heaven.
Natch: “if it was Hunter’s, then Giuliani’s possession of the hard drive is conversion and/or theft, so it must be returned”
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Not really. You can’t leave your crap with a repair shop and expect them to store it forever without charge. After a bit it is declared abandoned and becomes the property of the shop owner.
Surely you knew that.
Giuliani isn’t the shop owner, so how did he come by this item? And…BTW, did the shop owner produce any invoices, claim checks or other documentary proof that Hunter left the computer there? (not that this couldn’t be faked, too).
Once the shop owner owned it he could give it to anyone he likes. He tried to give it to the FBI but they wouldn’t have anything to do with it. He thought the information was important–apparently possible evidence of criminal conduct–so he gave it to Giuliani. He had the same records on this laptop that he has with all other repairs. If it didn’t belong to Biden, why did Biden’s lawyer try to get it back? You are straining too hard on this, Natch
No, you are the one who is straining. Where’s the proof that the shop owner had valid title to the hard drive? Where’s the proof of when it was allegedly left there, and the proof that ownership changes hands if it is abandoned? Where is the paper trail? Everyone knows that if you leave an item at a shop for repairs, you get a receipt. If it was Hunter’s hard drive, then he has a right to demand its return, and his lawyer has the right to have it examined for authenticity. Why do you suppose they are refusing to turn it over to be authenticated? To keep the story going, that’s why. And, they know that disciples like you will continue to believe.
According to Phil Rucker and Carol Leonnig’s new book: “Only I Can Fix It–Trump’s Disastrous Last Year”, the hard drive story came about after Trump flubbed badly in the first debate. He came across as an arrogant bully who doesn’t know what he’s talking about, and he tried to blame everyone else on earth for his poor performance, including those who tried to prep him for the debate, like Chris Christie. Christie hit him hard with sensitive questions, so he would be prepared, and rather than coming up with answers, like the narcissist he is, Trump took offense. They had to come up with something to try to derail Biden in the second debate, and they thought some salacious story about Hunter would do the trick, so, voila, the “discovery” of the hard drive happened. The story stinks. Giuliani and Trump have lied so much that they have no credibility.
Nobody has denied that the shop owner has legal title to the laptop not even Hunter.
Here is some false information that the left, the media and the White House are disseminating: Trump voters, conservatives, are the unvaccinated and they are killing the country. Well I suppose there are a lot of Trump voters that remain unvaccinated and I agree that it harms the country…BUT, Blacks and Latinos are also not getting vaccinated in high numbers and they are big Biden voters (especially Blacks). Why have we not heard one word about Blacks killing the nation due to vaccine hesitancy?
If you got your vaccine you should stop screaming at others for not getting theirs, you are safe. Well according to Biden’s government.
“A 13-year-old, healthy Michigan boy with no pre-existing conditions died after getting a second dose of the China Virus vaccine. Should his death be blamed on pro-vaccine misinformation coming from the WH?” @toddstarnes
One could reasonably argue that WH misinformation that boys his age needed to get vaccinated directly led to his death.
Hollywood’s “Parental Ratings System” rating movies and TV shows with “PG”, “R”, “Violent Content”, etc. was a very subtle way to point out that no government agency – including federal agencies – have no censoring authority under the First Amendment. It’s illegal for Congress to pass a law censoring Freedom of Speech, Freedom of the Press, Freedom to Associate and Freedom to Petition the government (just read the First Amendment).
Hollywood attorneys knew that censorship violated the First Amendment so they made a deal with the federal government. Hollywood had no legal requirement to do anything – they were already acting legally. Hollywood’s plan was to give “parents” the censoring authority since government has no such authority in the USA.
Hollywood would voluntarily label their shows and parents (not government officials) would have the censoring authority. Facebook and other social media could easily create a “self-labeling” system. Before you hit the “Post” button, you choose the rating (Violent Content, Nudity, etc). Parents could easily set viewing filters for their children. Facebook and other companies are already shielded from legal liability as long as they don’t assume the role of “editor” like a newspaper.
Today, in 2021, many decades old movies are already censored before you see them. You probably couldn’t see an unedited version of Animal House, some Clint Eastwood movies, shows about the Bible or other shows today in 2021 unless you subscribe to HBO or some other service. Censorship never works longterm.
Today, in 2021, many decades old movies are already censored before you see them.
The entire library of Mel Brooks work.
iowan2: “The entire library of Mel Brooks work”. Oh no. Hopefully “Blazing Saddles” has escaped the Terror, although it contains creative Black and White stereotyping for the Woke snowflakes to be offended by. Madeline Kahn was priceless playing the Teutonic Titwillow.
I am buying them on DVD.
As for new movies, I want a new rating, ‘W’ for woke so I can skip it immediately.
The damage this disinformation has produced is now becoming a reality for many conservative leaders and activists. Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, and now Mitch McConnell and others are doing an about face and supporting and even calling for those being unvaccinated to do so. The reason? The new variant is affecting republican states more and Wall Street is noticing. The idea of another economic disaster and travel restrictions, mask mandates and such is becoming a clear slap on the face for these folks who have been responsible for stoking doubt and opposing vaccination drives.
You’re all seeing the results of what ignorance can create.
Those who are adamant on not vaccinating will get the blame if economic problems arise.
“Those who are adamant on not vaccinating will get the blame if economic problems arise.”
No. Statist politicians who bankrupt businesses and kill the economy should get the blame.
Tyrants who “never let a serious crisis go to waste” should get the blame.
But, assuming your premise: You should blame Blacks and Latinos, and their Democrat masters.
The only solution it would seem is a bloodbath. I don’t wish it, but I don’t see another way that the Left and the Right will be able to bury their hatchets. The rhetoric is at a fever pitch, and the distraction of professional sports may not save us yet. Only after we have exhausted ourselves with enough mindless extermination will people eventually come to their senses. Is there any other way?
“The damage this disinformation has produced”
Let’s listen to the one’s providing the disinformation. The Trump vaccine was created because of Trump. Biden would like everyone to think it is his idea. Svelaz believes whatever he is told.
https://twitter.com/KyleMartinsen_/status/1416094954603044864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1416094954603044864%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.powerlineblog.com%2Farchives%2F2021%2F07%2Fjoe-biden-and-kamala-harris-anti-vaxxers.php
But do factions of conservatives really embrace “misinformation” because they’re all off their rockers? Or is it because would-be trustworthy sources of information have repeatedly failed them, lied to them, gaslit and slandered them?
For instance, do conservatives largely reject media-endorsed critical race theory in their kids’ classrooms because they’re white nationalists? Or is it because the media constantly race-bait them with false narratives? Ma’Khia Bryant? “Hands up, don’t shoot”? Charlottesville? Adam Toledo?
If you’re going to smear people who fall prey to so-called disinformation, you must ask what the alternative is — and whether that alternative might contribute to the rise of fringe explanations. In this case, the alternative is the same media that smeared Brett Kavanaugh as a gang rapist. It’s the media that fell for the Jussie Smollett hoax and the Russia hoax, and that cut video footage to paint a Catholic teenager as a smug racist. It’s the media that saw the Hunter Biden laptop story and said “nothing to see here,” that stood in front of burning buildings and called it “peaceful protests,” that wrongly claimed Trump tear-gassed “peaceful protesters” in Lafayette Park for a photo op.
Corrupt corporate media gaslit conservatives with critical race theory and wrongly insisted MAGA insurrectionists bludgeoned a Capitol Police officer to death with a fire extinguisher. Shoddy news outlets teamed up with Facebook to issue false “independent fact-checks” that nuked the opinions of their opponents. The media machine ran damage control for Fauci while he flip-flopped and passed the buck.
They told us that the 2020 election, rife with last-minute rule-changes and vote-by-mail and Big Tech censorship, was the safest and most secure election of all time. They opted for comedy hour with Gov. Andrew Cuomo instead of asking him and Gov. Gretchen Whitmer real questions about their lethal nursing home policies. They concocted a false narrative out of thin air about Gov. Ron DeSantis and Publix pharmacies when they needed to make a successful Republican leader look bad.
They’ve downplayed the border crisis, framed as an “accident” the story of car-jacking teenagers who murdered a Pakistani immigrant in broad daylight, said Antifa doesn’t exist, and lied about conflict in the Middle East, with the New York Times even ginning up fake maps of Palestine. They called Republicans who voted for Trump a “credulous boomer rube demo” and said the GOP needs to be de-programmed.
They giddily ushered in a sham impeachment — and then a second sham impeachment. They claimed there was no way the National Security Agency was spying on Tucker Carlson. They lied about Russian bounties and downplayed Fauci’s emails.
“All of this goes back to 2016,” conservative TV host Saagar Enjeti rightly wrote on Twitter. “These people believe in their bones that Trump was only elected because of ‘misinformation.’ Their solution is to rig the platforms instead of ask why so many millions lost trust in all our institutions in the first place.”
Millions have indeed lost trust in our institutions and for valid and obvious reasons, reasons that Democrats and the media can’t explore because to do so would expose where the real “misinformation” has long originated — and what their lies have reaped.
https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/21/the-biggest-source-of-misinformation-lies-and-delusion-is-leftist-corporate-media/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the_federalist_daily_briefing_2021_07_21&utm_term=2021-07-21
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What blows the minds of Trump supporters is that accountability is a reasonable solution to a problem. They are more into, alternative realities.
The irony here is that it was conservatives who demanded social media be held accountable for censorship by removing liability protections. But doing that also exposes them to lawsuits allowing misinformation to spread. The only solution for these platforms would be to increase censorship of both. The CAN censor anything that they deem a violation of their policies.
Yeah, you have to wonder why, all of a sudden, Fox (other than Carlson and Ingraham) did a 180 on the vaccine. Could it be that because the more lethal and virulent Delta strain is taking such a huge toll amongst their target audience, coupled with the fact that the stock market is reacting to the surge in cases, so that even their own portfolios are taking a hit? If COVID isn’t brought under control, then masks, social distancing, working from home again and maybe online learning will be necessary in the near future. Restaurants, bars, sports venues and concerts may have to cut back capacity, and manufacturing will again slow down, worsening inflation because the supply chain still hasn’t caught up. You can’t get a new sofa or chair right now because the companies manufacturing foam rubber are way behind in production due to the pandemic. The same is true for auto parts. You’d really have to be blissfully blind not to see the fallout caused by disseminating fear and distrust of the vaccine, not just in human terms, but for the economy. Plus, there’s the liability issue–real people are really getting very sick and some are dying, not that Fox cares unless it causes them to get sued.
You are confusing “accountability” with “tyrannical control.”
Just like the useful idiot they hoped you’d be –on behalf of the regime.