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Judge Orders Philadelphia to Remove Plywood Box Covering Columbus Statute

Common Pleas Court Judge Paula Patrick issued an order on Friday that Mayor Jim Kenney and the city of Philadelphia must remove the plywood box covering a statue of Christopher Columbus. The 144-year-old statue was covered up due to protests that the explorer represents racial injustice and abuse. Other Columbus statues have been destroyed, including one in Baltimore. When asked about that destruction, Speaker Nancy Pelosi shrugged and said “people will do what they do.”  For his part, Kenney has announced that his administration will appeal the ruling in an effort to keep Columbus covered from public view.

Kenney’s spokesperson declared that keeping the statue from being seen is “in the best interest and public safety of all Philadelphians.”

Patrick previously ruled that the statue could remain in the plaza and called the effort to remove it “baffling.” She also found that the city had failed to provide evidence that the statue’s removal was necessary to protect the public, calling the confrontations “isolated civil unrest.”

What is worrisome is whether protesters will now view the court’s opinion as an enticement to show that the protests were not “isolated” and renew efforts to destroy the artwork. Previously, an Antifa leader located at George Washington University declared “we are winning” after efforts to topple historical monuments in Washington.  He might be right. Indeed, academics have joined the calls for removing a wide array of statues to historical figures and some have even joined in efforts to destroy or deface them.

Many agree with the criticism of Columbus as a historical figure, criticisms raised particularly by the Native American community that he is a genocidal figure. Columbus and other statues have been removed in cities like Chicago.

I have long opposed the sweeping efforts to dismantle or destroy historical monuments and statues. (Here and here and here and here and here and here and here) While I recognize that there are some statues that should be removed, my primary objection is to the lack of a public debate over how we should address these calls. Instead, mobs have been destroying or defacing statues. In Washington, police made the “tactical decision” to stand by and watch a mob destroy a statue.

As I have previously written, there are statues that should be removed but it is important that such decisions are made collectively and with circumspection:

Two decades ago, I wrote a column calling for the Georgia legislature to take down its statue of Tom Watson, a white supremacist publisher and politician who fueled racist and antisemitic movements. Watson was best known for his hateful writings, including his opposition to save Leo Frank, a Jewish factory manager accused of raping and murdering a girl. Frank was taken from a jail and lynched by a mob enraged by such writings, including the declaration of Watson that “Frank belongs to the Jewish aristocracy, and it was determined by the rich Jews that no aristocrat of their race should die for the death of a working class Gentile.”

Yet today there is no room or time for such reasoned discourse, just destruction that often transcends any rationalization of history.

The court’s rulings puts it at odds with the city licensing board that upheld a July 2020 decision by the city historical commission to remove the statue. Such decisions are usually given great deference and the appellate court may consider this within the authority of the commission even if it disagrees with the basis for the action. However, the Delaware River Waterfront Corporation, a nonprofit that manages the park, and America 500 Anniversary Corporation, have an agreement with the city that they insist was violated by Kenney’s actions.

So the fight will now move to the appellate courts.

 

166 thoughts on “Judge Orders Philadelphia to Remove Plywood Box Covering Columbus Statute”

  1. Just acquired the following bestseller book on the savagery of the Comanche Injuns thanks to Professor Turley’s article today on Christopher Columbus. As I suspected, the Comanche were a brutal, bloodthirsty people. BLM Antifa must be their ancestors

    Seven men were killed in the raid, though that does not begin to describe the horror of what Mackenzie found at the scene. According to Captain Robert G. Carter, Mackenzie’s subordinate, who witnessed its aftermath, the victims were stripped, scalped, and mutilated. Some had been beheaded and others had their brains scooped out. “Their fingers, toes and private parts had been cut off and stuck in their mouths,” wrote Carter, “and their bodies, now lying in several inches of water and swollen or bloated beyond all chance of recognition, were filled full of arrows, which made them resemble porcupines.” They had clearly been tortured, too. “Upon each exposed abdomen had been placed a mass of live coals. . . . One wretched man, Samuel Elliott, who, fighting hard to the last, had evidently been wounded, was found chained between two wagon wheels and, a fire having been made from the wagon pole, he had been slowly roasted to death—‘burnt to a crisp.’

    “Empire of the Summer Moon: Quanah Parker and the Rise and Fall of the Comanches, the Most Powerful Indian Tribe in American History”, by S. C. Gwynne, Publisher: Scribner, 2011, ISBN 978-1416591061
    https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Empire-of-the-Summer-Moon/S-C-Gwynne/9781416591061

      1. There is no disputing that men can be evil. The settlers likely were as treacherous towards the natives as the natives were towards their neighbors centuries before the Vikings, Spaniards, Portuguese, French and English arrived. My prior comments were to illustrate that salient point. In the final analysis, the capacity for men and women to commit evil exists, be they during the era pre-dating the arrival of Christopher Columbus or today’s black on black violent crime in Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, etc. The list is endless of the evils we all commit today to our families, neighbors, to each other no matter one’s religion, political leaning, race, education, immigration status, etc.

        1. Estovir,

          Lying is evil too. And there is a lot of that going around. A lot.

            1. Whoever you are, ATS, Scupper, Anonymous the stupid, Whoopie Cushion, you are rather banal. Did you graduate high school?

    2. Estovir, If you haven’t already read “Lonesome Dove”, by Larry McMurty add it to your reading pile. I listened to it while making 5 hour round trips to care for family. Every couple weeks. Great writing and from what I know, accurate is the descriptions. The Author wrote it, trying to wipe away the romanticism of the Nations march west. How in fact it was an unforgiving dangerous endeavor to just traverse the area, let alone live there. The descriptions of Native brutality and terror are graphic, hard to get through in some sections. The three prequel books were also quite good, Giving the background to the main characters of Lonesome Dove.

  2. It is clear those cancelling Columbus are bigots with a grudge against Italians. The Celebration has always been an Italian cultural touchstone. Driven a popularized by the Italian community

    The left, always marching toward selective diversity. Some diverse people don’t count

      1. If we do it right and make NFL and NBA teams ‘look like America’ [that’s the mantra], then no more than 7% of a team can be black. We need some racial justice here–more white and Asian and Hispanic players. Teams are shockingly non-diverse. They don’t look like America.

    2. You don’t know much about Columbus, do you? He didn’t go sailing west to “explore new worlds” or expand human knowledge of the natural world, but to look for gold and people who could be exploited. He didn’t “discover” a “New World” at all–there were Native American people who had been living and thriving here with their own tribes, languages, form of government, religion, and hunting and agricultural practices that made them self-sufficient. The “world” Columbus “discovered” was already here, populated with indigenous people who were living successfully as hunters and farmers, and just because Europeans didn’t know they were here and vice-versa, doesn’t necessarily make Columbus a hero. He viewed the Native Americans as inferior, and that IS racist. Italians have elevated him to the status of an idol, but indigenous Americans don’t share that sentiment. And, this is not due to the evil “Left” that your alt-right media sources blame for everything. Just like African Americans don’t find former slave owners and Civil War Confederate officers worthy of public statutes, neither do indigenous Americans when it comes to Columbus. and, THAT’s not anti-Italian bias, either. It is sensitivity to the fact that people’s beliefs and sentiments evolve over time. It’s not that indigenous Americans despise Columbus–it’s that they think his place in history is over-rated and that his profit motivation should receive more attention. Put his statute in a museum, like they’ve done with Confederate soldiers.

      1. Columbus didn’t travel to indulge diversity and practice redistributive change. He was an explorer looking for new lands and opportunities.

      2. “Put his statute in a museum, like they’ve done with Confederate soldiers.”

        ***

        Better yet, bring the nobel Confederate soldiers back out. Stop erasing history.

        The George Floyd statue has to go though; nothing nobel there–ugly too.

        1. George Floyd was a criminal, but his statue is justified if put in the right public place. The statue should be placed at San Quentin or Rikers Island while the statue is surrounded by iron bars. In front should be an explanation. This is the criminal George Floyd, and he rests here in jail where he belongs.

      3. Columbus is disliked by these “Native American Activists” for a simple reason – he’s was the “point man” of the European INVASION that CONQUERED the so-called “native” Americans who were too stupid, too prone to infighting, and too backward to mount effective resistance. I fail to see the reason to care about the sentiments of the CONQUERED.

        1. Selfdo says:

          “I fail to see the reason to care about the sentiments of the CONQUERED.”

          A poor translation from the German.

          How many times have you read Mein Kampf?

      4. Columbus “didn’t “discover” a “New World” at all–there were Native American people who had been living . . .”

        There’s the anti-conceptual mentality of “diversity” activists.

        “Discover,” in this context, does not mean: “Oh, look, there’s no people living there.” It means that he, and other explorers, found new land for *civilization*. And, yes, that implies that Indians were not civilized — because they were not.

        When your culture mindlessly repeats customs and practices for centuries, many of them barbaric and primitive — yours is not a civilized culture. It’s more akin to an animal’s existence.

    3. They’re Antisci and transhumane. Diversity (i.e. color judgment), not limited to racism, sexism, ageism, is Pro-Choice (i.e. selective, politically congruent, ethical) religious dogma.

      That said, diversity of individuals, minority of one. #HateLovesAbortion

  3. estovir:

    “The most agonising Comanche tortures included burying captives up to the chin and cutting off their eyelids so their eyes were seared by the burning sun before they starved to death. Contemporary accounts also describe them staking out male captives spread-eagled and naked over a red-ant bed.”

    “Drawing and quartering” by devout Christians included several steps. First the victim was drawn, that is, tied to a horse and dragged to the gallows. The punishment included hanging (usually not to the death), usually live disemboweling, burning of the entrails, beheading, and quartering. This last step was sometimes accomplished by tying each of the four limbs to a different horse and spurring them in different directions.

    Of course, these were civilized Christians unlike your godless savages.

    1. Yes, these civilized Westerners still draw and quarter virginal human lives for social progress, medical progress, and sequester their carbon for climate mitigation. Wicked.

      1. Charles thinks:

        “I don’t think Silberman likes Christians.”

        Think again.

  4. Liberal lightweights like JefffSilberman and Anonymous love to quickly go to the old Hitler analogy by saying “should Germany have a statue of Hitler”. Of course this straw man argument is as juvenile as good old JeffSilberman. Hey Jeffrey, ok, we agree on no statue for Hitler, now how about when you pals tear down statues of Lincoln and other Americans that were heroes up until 20 minutes ago? Now how would your little pals on the left act if someone tore down a statue of that truly great American George Floyd? How aboutthe couple that got AREESTED for painting over the BLM sign previously painted on the street?

    The left can not win an argument and that is why they are fascistic in nature.

    1. Hullbobby loses the argument:

      “Hey Jeffrey, ok, we agree on no statue for Hitler”

      If you concede that Hitler statues should be removed, you have lost the argument as a matter of principle. Because now we can remove statues of Stalin, Mussolini, Lenin, Mao, Castro etc. The list never ends.

      1. How quickly images of Stalin were wiped out once Khrushchev denounced him at the 20th Soviet Congress in 1956. I spent nearly two years in Italy, never saw a statue of ol’ Benito. I’m sure what few statues of Lenin remain in the Russian Federation are corroding and are filthy with bird feces. As for “Dishonest Abe” Lincoln – if I had my way, his “memorial” in Washington DC would be dynamited, and a 250 ft. tall statue of Jefferson Davis would be erected in its place.

  5. As a culture, the Indians were prehistoric hunters and gatherers — a Stone Age people. That is the type of inhuman culture that some admire?!

    Actually, “admire” is a misstatement. Nihilists do not admire anything. They use the Indians to camouflage an ugly emotion: The desire to destroy any achievement, any greatness, any grandeur. (And that, today, includes America and Western civilization.)

  6. Do these activists wish the Aztecs had continued to sacrifice men, women, and children, ripping their beating hearts out, grinding their bones into dust to make mortar, and building towers of human skulls?

    The Aztecs were conquerors, slavers, and bloodthirsty. Europeans were the stronger tribe that stopped them.

    If America had been magically shrouded from discovery by Europeans, it still would not have the wheel. Everyone would be on foot. No modern medicine, electricity, running water. People would still starve to death with regularity. A simple infection would be deadly. Tetanus would still be common. Tribes would still be fighting over land, and who knows how many more times the Black Hills would have changed hands. There would be no Appaloosa of the Nez Perce. No plains horse culture. Who knows what the Iroquois would have done. Tribes would still practice slavery, including the sex slavery of women. Tribes wiped out other tribes at times, taking any survivors as slaves and prohibiting them from ever speaking their language ever again. Some tribes regularly killed the children of enemy tribes. There was no chivalric tradition towards women, and in many of the culture, children had no protections. See Aztec, child sacrifice. There was no concept of land ownerships, deeds, or title. A strong tribe kept territory until and unless they lost it to a stronger tribe. Farming was only practiced by a few tribes, and ranching was unknown. Most were hunter/gatherers which made them especially vulnerable to droughts, natural disasters, or when the herds just moved on. People burned trees for warmth and cooking. There was no clean energy and never would be. No technology.

    There would have been no US to turn the tide of WWII. The Jews would probably all be dead, and Nazis would rule Europe. Japanese atrocities during the war were infamous. Japan would have ruled Asia, and it wouldn’t be the same culture as today.

    There would have been no prosperous US to donate billions of dollars to countries struggling with famine, drought, and war. Socialism and communism wouldn’t have had the US working against it.

    There would be no South Korea. North Korea would have engulfed the South, and never needed the Chinese to do it. South Koreans would be starving and abused today.

    The world would be a darker place today if the US had never existed. And eventually, that world would have found the Americas, still populated by Stone Age cultures. Except this time, perhaps it would have been a Nazi Europe that would have discovered it.

    Every single human being on Earth came from ancestry that committed, AND suffered, atrocities throughout human history. Social mores and values evolved, taking great leaps forward with Judeo/Christian principles.

    Don’t anachronistically judge the people of the past. Don’t selectively judge those of European descent while ignoring the fact that every other culture also existed in a past with totally different values and standards of today. What would be considered normal for an Apache in 1800 is a lot different than what is normal for an Apache today.

    I’m lucky to be alive today, and blessed to live in the US. While the tragedies and injustice that my ancestors suffered through the millennia are heartbreaking, were it not for them and these trials, I wouldn’t be here. Neither would anyone else.

    Learn from the past, but be grateful that it brought you here.

  7. In the 1960s, nihilists in Yale’s art department would go down into the basement to destroy representational sculptures. They called them: “Smashing parties.”

    Noxious ideas that start in the universities, eventually ooze out into the culture.

  8. I think it is unconstitutional, and it is a hard blow to lawyersfreedom of expression, I hope it can be rectified or that someone complains at least because it seems to me an outrage.

  9. “Columbus and other statues have been removed in cities like Chicago.”

    When statues of Columbus (a symbol of Western values) are replaced with ones of George Floyd (a career criminal) — your culture is on life-support.

  10. Jonathan: When I was a young child in grade school our class celebrated Columbus Day. We performed plays depicting Columbus and how he “discovered” America and treated native peoples with benevolence. We now know that story was a lie–a sanitized story of Columbus’ arrival in the new world. Many local communities have changed the day to “Indigenous Peoples Day” to acknowledge that Christopher Columbus was, in fact, a racist colonizer who enslaved, mutilated and massacred indigenous peoples and forcibly converted the survivors to Catholicism. But the right-wing Washington Times calls the more accurate depictions of Columbus “character assassination” and “historical revisionism”. You have joined the chorus that wants to retain Columbus public statues–trying to blame Antifa for the destruction of public statues. For many years, before Antifa, native Americans and their white allies have called for the removal of statues of Columbus. While you concede “some statues…should be removed” (you don’t say which ones) you think such decisions should be “made collectively with circumspection”. That’s a convenient excuse for doing nothing. City councils and art commissions, like in Philadelphia, have “collectively” decided they want to remove objectionable public statues. So how can you object to what Philadelphia is doing?

    1. I bet you have no clue who Francisci dD Bobadilla is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You don’t have a clue about much.

    2. Dennis says:

      “While you concede “some statues…should be removed” (you don’t say which ones)”

      Isn’t that just like Turley? To avoid taking a controversial stand.

      He calls for a Congressional censure of Trump for his “reckless” 1/6 speech (his word) resulting in the “desecration” of the Capitol (his word), BUT he will NOT condemn Trump continuing to lie at rally after rally that the election was stolen.

      Turley will not stick out his neck like Liz Cheney to condemn lying Trumpists because he is a moral coward.

      People one day will ask him- “Why didn’t you take a public stand against Trumpism like Cheney bravely did?”

    3. I thank God for Columbus and those who sailed with him and those who funded their explorations … and for all the others who did likewise throughout the world. What is past is history, like it or not. Move on and give up the hangups that focus only on those styled as “victims.”

      1. Thetennants1970 plagiarized:

        “What is past is history, like it or not. Move on and give up the hangups that focus only on those styled as “victims.”

        You stole this line from the sign leading into Yad Vashem!

  11. Interesting case indeed.

    Worth noting, that there was there also, an issue of denying public input (properly). I quote:

    “In addition, the City failed to allow the ninety (90) day requirement for public input pursuant to the Managing Director’s Directive 67. To the contrary, there was only twenty- eight (28) days for this input.”

    Also, issue of expert opinion concerning the condition of the Statue. I quote:

    ” The Board committed an error of law by affirming the PHC’s decision to remove the Statue without detailed expert report on the process and effect of removal on the Statute and Marconi Plaza under Philadelphia Code § 14-1005(6)(e)(3)”

    One may reach by the way the decision cited, here:

    https://media.nbcphiladelphia.com/2021/08/CHRIS-COLUMUS-STATUE-SUIT.pdf

    Thanks

  12. Statue, statue, what you say? How bout leaving New York today?
    Ain’t no reason for you to stay. Cause all your farts have blown away
    Get him back off his feet again!
    Back off his feet again.
    Open the whore.
    Set her free.
    Get the statue to Germany!

  14. If only the natives had built a wall, to keep Columbus out, the world would be totally different, perhaps better.

    1. They were too busy fighting and killing amongst themselves to worry about who was coming in from the ocean…

  15. History does not exist for us to like or dislike. It is there for us to learn. Statues are representations of individuals who were important in a given historical period. Our culture has become one of victimhood and offense. Erasing the past and its representations is not going to change that.

    It is past time for people to get a grip and recognize that it is not possible to live a full and happy life if they are offended by statues, books or television. There is a choice: don’t look, read or watch.

    1. Turley adamantly disagrees. He says that some statues SHOULD come down. It is not enough just to look away.

      1. Turely offers an opinion. Meaningless until he forms the coalitions needed to petition the appropriated govt bodies to act.
        That is what this debate is about. Allowing the people a say. Democrats can only govern by mob rule. That needs to end, or an opposing mob will rise up.

        1. Iowan2 says:

          “Democrats can only govern by mob rule.”

          You mean like that crazed and violent Democratic mob that stormed the Capitol on 1/6?

    2. Turley disagrees. Some statues should be taken down. It is not enough simply to look away. I suppose you would have been against removing statues of Hitler in Germany.

  16. Yes, unfortunately, many do agree with the ignorant “woke” view of Columbus. These “many” are the ones, including the charlatan Howard Zinn, who have never read the primary sources, which would definitively have disabused them of this notion. In fact, had they read the primary sources, they would have seen that it was not Columbus the Taino feared, but their neighbors the Caribs, who were cannibals, and who terrorized, kidnapped, enslaved, raped, castrated and killed the Tainos. But, of course, the truth that Native groups weren’t all innocent victims would go against the woke narrative. Liberals love a victim, and when they don’t have one, they invent one.

    1. Giocon1:

      “Liberals love a victim, and when they don’t have one, they invent one.”

      You mean like you Trumpists whining that you are the “Forgotten Man living in Flyover Country suffering at the hands of the coastal college-educated elites who are permitting an invasion of immigrants to steal your jobs?

  17. “Many agree with the criticism of Columbus as a historical figure, criticisms raised particularly by the Native American community that he is a genocidal figure. Columbus and other statues have been removed in cities like Chicago.”
    ****************************
    Yeah, the unlettered “many.” Columbus executed two sailors for abusing Indians. How’s that for a genocidal maniac ?

    Oh, You wanna remove a statue? Okay let’s have a vote. That never happens. Wonder why?

    1. “Okay let’s have a vote” And would you accept the results? Or would you just say it was rigged if you lost.

      1. I always thought that the brutality of the Comanche Injuns was beyond justification, the human sacrifices by the Aztecs surreal, the raping, enslaving and killing of young girls by the Iroquois unimaginable, and the Incas removing of beating hearts from other live Incas incredibly savage. Alas, in your case, perhaps I was being too hasty and judgmental of these savages peaceful protestors. Perhaps a vote by Incas would be more than fair as to determine how they would remove your heart. Alas, the Mayans would not really care to sacrifice you for their deity, and the Cherokee would likely pass on raping you. They usually tended towards young, female virgins.

        😉

        1. estovir:

          “The most agonising Comanche tortures included burying captives up to the chin and cutting off their eyelids so their eyes were seared by the burning sun before they starved to death. Contemporary accounts also describe them staking out male captives spread-eagled and naked over a red-ant bed.”*

          Comanche were known to travel 1000 miles on horseback to exact revenge from an offending tribe. They took the women and kids into captivity and torture-killed all the males. Yep, they’re blameless and certainly worthy of kid-glove treatment.

          *https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2396760/How-Comanche-Indians-butchered-babies-roasted-enemies-alive.html#:~:text=The%20most%20agonising%20Comanche%20tortures,over%20a%20red%2Dant%20bed.

          1. Mespo, recall what the Declaration of Independence says of the Injuns:

            The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

            …..He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

            https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript

            Heck, had it not been for the Jesuits converting them, these Indian savages would have stormed Capitol Hill and scalped AOC as the insurrectionists they were. If only……

            🤠

          2. Mespo, you mean that it wasn’t just white Christian Americans who did these awful things. I never knew.

      2. Fishwings says:

        “Okay let’s have a vote” And would you accept the results? Or would you just say it was rigged if you lost.”

        The ONLY way Trumpists EVER lose is because the Democrats rigged it.

  18. There used to be a replica of the Santa Maria on the river in the town formerly known as Columbus. Went aboard that a few times. Columbus and crew may have had their faults like everyone, and maybe even more for all I know. However, you have to admire the raw courage of people who would get in one of those things and sail westward, not knowing what they would find. Not just him and his crew, of course, the Norse and others as well.

  19. Turley acknowledges:

    “As I have previously written, there are statues that should be removed but it is important that such decisions are made collectively and with circumspection”

    Unlike fanatical Trumpists, Turley is NOT opposed to removing controversial statues. Rather, he says:

    “While I recognize that there are some statues that should be removed, my primary objection is to the lack of a public debate over how we should address these calls.”

    Turley is opposed to “snap” removals without a fulsome public debate. He is quite right to condemn vigilante justice in tearing down statues.

    However, there is NOT one statue in America that Trumpists would EVER agree to tear down regardless of how odious or traitorous the person.

    That is the undeniable difference between Turley and a Trumpist.

    1. Jeff Silberman. Who the hell are you?? Your logic is truly amazing. Please spare us simple people from your garbage.

      1. Mike says:

        “Jeff Silberman. Who the hell are you?? Your logic is truly amazing. Please spare us simple people from your garbage.”

        No can do, buddy. You ain’t seen nothing yet. I’m just gettin’ warmed up. I’ve got plenty more garbage where that came from. I don’t regard you Trumpists as simple people. I regard you as damnable liars. There is a difference.

        1. No can do, buddy. You ain’t seen nothing yet. I’m just gettin’ warmed up. I’ve got plenty more garbage where that came from

          At least a bit of self reflection and passing nod to the truth. Ive scanned through most of the thread here. Your’s are with out a doubt, garbage

          Off topic, delusional, and meaningless.

          1. Iowan2 says:

            “Ive scanned through most of the thread here. Your’s are with out a doubt, garbage. Off topic, delusional, and meaningless.”

            Not too meaningless apparently for you to ignore my garbage. Rather, you felt compelled to comment. I look forward to your scanning my garbage and giving me your opinion of it. I’m always trying to improve and welcome your valuable feedback. Thanking you in advance.

      2. Let him speak. He does more damage to his Tribe in so doing. The best way to counter error is with TRUTH, and the best “disinfectant” is the LIGHT of TRUTH.

        1. Selfdo says:

          “Let him speak. He does more damage to his Tribe in so doing. The best way to counter error is with TRUTH, and the best “disinfectant” is the LIGHT of TRUTH.”

          Are you new around here? I think we just may get along after all!

          1. FWIW, I object to your views, NOT necessarily your ANCESTRY. As long as you don’t live DOWN to the worst of it. I’ve some myself, via my grandmother, and her sibs, the “four queens and a king” (yes, they were!), and I’ve not considered it fatal. Hence why I needle you, but I’d object stridently to name-calling, threats, and, of course, actual violence directed your way. If nothing else, this is supposed to be a country where the RULE OF LAW prevails. If it doesn’t against people I don’t “like”, then it’s karma that someday said lawlessness heads my way, sans recourse.

            1. Selfdo confesses his shame in having some Jews in his ancestry :

              “I’ve some myself, via my grandmother, and her sibs, the “four queens and a king” (yes, they were!), and I’ve not considered it fatal.”

              Not to worry, Perchick, a little “Jew blood” is not fatal.

      1. Well Jeff, there’s your answer to what Turley has done. he’s feeding constant outrageous behavior for the cult in not writing the facts on what Trump has and is doing to the country. His permanently aggrieved Trump cult has no use for facts and ideas that do not fit their escalating embrace of authoritarian or sometimes out-right fascism politics. He has his base, and he is well aware in what he is doing.

        1. Fishwings,

          Trumpists are very proficient in the name-calling department because they lack the education to articulate an argument against my criticisms.

          Trumpists are liars. Liars will fight and even kill so they won’t have to admit that they are. That is my greatest fear.

    3. JS

      Your comment suggests that Lefties tried debate before resorting to vandalism.

      BS.

      Mob violence was the first action.

      Followed by Democratic whitewashing and ignoring of Lefty crimes.

      Suggest that mob violence is bad, whether from the left or the right.

      It is just that the left has a near monopoly (aside from 1/6) on mob violence.

      1. Yep! Lefties follow women into bathrooms and disrupt people eating in restaurants and etc.– all “part of the process” according to the demented politician of 50+ years. It’s clear biden and his “minders” of the far far left also view as “part of the process” all the mobs and their violence, arson, thievery, destruction, injuries to others. But should parents dare to be involved in the education of their children in public schools .. they are domestic terrorists to be investigated by the FBI and the US so-called “justice” Department. y

        1. 1970 says:

          “But should parents dare to be involved in the education of their children in public schools .. they are domestic terrorists to be investigated by the FBI and the US so-called “justice” Department.”

          Next you’ll tell me that the Trumpists were just picnicking at the Capitol on 1/6 and parading patriotically.

          1. Security denied, an assembly derided, an unarmed woman murdered, embedded instigators, and a disorder (“riot”) forced.

      2. Monumentcolorado admits:

        “It is just that the left has a near monopoly (aside from 1/6) on mob violence.”

        You acknowledge that 1/6 was not a Trumpist picnic and patriotic parade? It was violence? Wow! I’m shocked. There may be some hope for you yet. Little steps at first. Good! I’m proud of you.

        Now for a BIG step- “the election was not stolen.” Come on, you can do it!!

        We’ll get to “Trump is a chronic and habitual liar” much later. For now, repeat after me, “the…. election…. was …. not….. stolen.” Again.

    4. “there is NOT one statue in America that Trumpists would EVER agree to tear down regardless of how odious or traitorous the person.”
      your TDS is manifesting itself. what statues are you referring to

      1. The left’s hero George Floyd that has statues everywhere now. Tear them down. Tear down Obama statues while you are at it…

        1. A drug-induced progressive condition, a mob assembled delays authorized medical aid, nationwide insurrections, and Some, Select [black] lives matter invading neighborhoods to intimidate families and residents.

      2. PeterK says:

        “your TDS is manifesting itself. what statues are you referring to”

        What is TDS? Is anything like BDS? You tell me if there are ANY kinds of statues you would remove unlike Turley who has acknowledged that some statues SHOULD BE taken down.

    5. And you know this because you’ve taken a poll and will share the results with us? Seems like your only purpose on this blog is to launch ad hominem attacks on Turley and the millions of people who voted for Trump. Very childish. Go play in another sandbox.

      1. Giocon1 says:

        “Seems like your only purpose on this blog is to launch ad hominem attacks on Turley and the millions of people who voted for Trump. Very childish. Go play in another sandbox.”

        To the uneducated eye, it may seem so. I will continue to call out you Trumpists for your lying about the election being stolen until you finally admit that there was no massive fraud and that Trump lost fair and square.

        When I read that, my work here will have been done, and I will depart happily.

        Would you like to start confessing Giocon1?

    6. While Jeff hides behind Turley’s skirt, he thinks he is wearing long pants because Turley isn’t opposed to removing controversial statues. Therefore Jeff isn’t opposed either but then makes the Stupid statement that “Trumpists” are opposed.

      “Trumpists” believe in the rule of law, democracy and our republic. If a statue of Jeff nude were placed in the town square, most people, including “Trumpists,” would want that statue removed. It has no redeeming qualities.

      No matter what his politics are, Turley has proven himself to be an intelligent lawyer. Jeff has only exposed his utter ignorance.

    7. Jeff Silberman is one more of those who, 8 months after President Trump’s term of office expired, continue to view everything and anything in terms of President Trump! Not a comment to be made, not a thought to be held — without faulting President Trump and/or those who could not bring themselves to vote for biden/harris in November 2020. Get some mental health help!! and move on!!

      1. Thetennants says:

        “Jeff Silberman is one more of those who, 8 months after President Trump’s term of office expired, continue to view everything and anything in terms of President Trump! Not a comment to be made, not a thought to be held — without faulting President Trump and/or those who could not bring themselves to vote for biden/harris in November 2020. Get some mental health help!! and move on!!”

        Nope. Not gonna happen. Think of me as a STATUE in the playground we call Res Ipsa Loquitur. According to you Trumpists, I am untouchable because to take me down would be defacing history. So, here, I stand reminding you every day what kind of liars you have been and continue to be defending the Big Lie. I am unmovable.

  20. What is there to say except express (once again) our contempt for Lefty censors are the political opportunists who enable them?

    Next cycle (and there always is another cycle), the Lefties will be squealing in outrage as they demand civility.

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