We have been discussing how faculty and students are increasingly shutting down speakers or destroying opposing memorials — in the name of free speech. The latest such example is at University of Pittsburgh where abortion activists disrupted a conference on fetal tissue research held by a pro-life group. The university is investigating but apparently no students were stopped or identified at the event by campus security despite their forcing the suspension of the event.
Videos from the November 8 event show 15 to 20 individuals taking over the stage to stop the presentation with banners and loud chanting. They refused to let the event continue as they continued to chant “Working women give them Hell, it is right to rebel!”, “We demand justice!”, and “Abortion is healthcare!” The protesters tore up the speaker’s notes and event programs and ripped the microphone out of the presenter’s hands after she asked them to leave.
Some of the students (like the one who took over the microphone) are clearly shown without masks so it would seem relatively simple to identify some of the organizers.
The university rules state conditions that appear to have been violated:
Students or student groups who engage in an on-campus demonstration must refrain from disrupting the educational process and from infringing upon the rights of other members of the University community…
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3. No demonstration shall impede pedestrian and/or vehicular traffic.
4. No demonstration shall block or otherwise interfere with any person’s ability to enter or exit any University property (buildings/patios/plaza/gathering spaces, etc.).
5. No demonstration shall obstruct or disrupt activity related to the University’s educational process, including, but not limited to, activity occurring in classrooms, offices, laboratories or other University facilities or grounds, except as may be permitted under the Event Scheduling Guidelines, which outlines appropriate means to demonstrate during a sponsored event.
…7. Use of sound/voice amplifiers is prohibited inside University owned or operated facilities. Use of sound/voice amplifiers is also prohibited if it disrupts activity related to the University’s educational process.
8. Demonstrators shall not engage in any behavior or activity that causes or threatens to cause physical injury to another person.
We have previously discussed the worrisome signs of a rising generation of censors in the country as leaders and writers embrace censorship and blacklisting. The latest chilling poll was released by 2021 College Free Speech Rankings after questioning a huge body of 37,000 students at 159 top-ranked U.S. colleges and universities. It found that sixty-six percent of college students think shouting down a speaker to stop them from speaking is a legitimate form of free speech. Another 23 percent believe violence can be used to cancel a speech. That is roughly one out of four supporting violence.
The issue is not engaging in protest against such speakers, but to enter events for the purpose of preventing others from hearing such speakers. Universities create forums for the discussion of a diversity of opinions. Entering a classroom or event to prevent others from speaking is barring free speech. I would feel the same way about preventing such people from protests outside such events. However, the concern is not with outdoor events where all groups can be as loud and cantankerous as their voices will bear. Both sides have free speech rights to express. The issue on campus is the entrance into halls, or classrooms to prevent others from hearing speakers or opposing viewpoints by disputing events.
This has been an issue of contention with some academics who believe that free speech includes the right to silence others. Berkeley has been the focus of much concern over the use of a heckler’s veto on our campuses as violent protesters have succeeded in silencing speakers, even including a few speakers like an ACLU official. Both students and some faculty have maintained the position that they have a right to silence those with whom they disagree and even student newspapers have declared opposing speech to be outside of the protections of free speech. At another University of California campus, professors actually rallied around a professor who physically assaulted pro-life advocates and tore down their display. In the meantime, academics and deans have said that there is no free speech protection for offensive or “disingenuous” speech. CUNY Law Dean Mary Lu Bilek showed how far this trend has gone. When conservative law professor Josh Blackman was stopped from speaking about “the importance of free speech,” Bilek insisted that disrupting the speech on free speech was free speech. (Bilek later cancelled herself and resigned after she made a single analogy to acting like a “slaveholder” as a self-criticism for failing to achieve equity and reparations for black faculty and students). We also previously discussed the case of Fresno State University Public Health Professor Dr. Gregory Thatcher who recruited students to destroy pro-life messages written on the sidewalks and wrongly told the pro-life students that they had no free speech rights in the matter.
Absent enforcement of school rules on such disruptions, there is little hope for the open exchange of ideas and a diversity of opinions on campus. It can unleash a type of tit-for-tat pattern of retaliation as speakers are prevented from speaking on controversial subjects. Our campuses then become little more than screaming matches. The rules of most schools properly draw the line between protests and disruptions. Everyone is allowed to be heard. However, if you enter to disrupt it, you are disrupting free speech.
If someone had the time and inclination, it could be scientifically quantified that the Left has been more violent than the Right: Antifa, Portland, Chaz, Occupy this and that, riots and looting, etc. etc. etc. When the Right is violent, it is usually just a justified reaction to how the Left acts upon them, as the instigators.
Used to be people would gather at higher education, places of learning, to discuss and debate while respectfully listening to the other side.
Offer a counter point to their points.
Open debate. Open discussion.
Now we have this.
What “tit-for-tat”? The only cases of this kind of authoritarian behavior I’ve seen are coming from the left. If it’s not Antifa shutting down outdoor events, it’s idiotic college students shutting down campus events. By denying all means of legitimate discussion and expression, the left is moving us further along the authoritarian highway. And just for the record, I have always been 100% pro-choice, but this display of ignorant intolerance is unacceptable.
Another great example of what’s wrong with the USA these days, anti-constitution and anti-American blithering idiots abusing their rights to squash the rights of others.
So someone tell me when do rules apply to the hive mind of the illiberal political left, progressives and their irrational army of totalitarian fascist minded social justice warriors? From what I’ve seen of the mentality of these fascist minded blithering idiots the rules only apply to the people they oppose, you know the unclean, unwoke, gutter dwelling deplorables. To the illiberal political left, progressives and their irrational army of totalitarian fascist social justice warriors the ends justifies the means. This is how Marxist will destroy Liberty and the constitution and take over the USA.
Social Justice Warriors: The 21st Century Scourge
Why should the idea that 2+2=5 be given equal consideration to the idea that 2+2=4? What good can come out of that?
2+2 “=” 5 is a political congruence or opportunity.
Today’s students are like Maoist Red Guards.
Who is teaching them how to be like that?
The “teaching” and the lack of teaching start with parents! Those who have been raised to think that the world revolves around them and that their wishes and ideas are the only good ones … become people who advocate baby-killing.
thetennants1970 wrote, “Those who have been raised to think that the world revolves around them and that their wishes and ideas are the only good ones”
What you are describing are social snowflakes and these snowflakes are snowflaking hard these days.
Yes parents have to accept some responsibility; however, there is wide spread social brainwashing going on that’s completely out of the control of parents.
As a Pitt alumni I am ashamed that the admin does nothing to stop these Brownshirts in all but name. I don’t exactly count myself as being foursquare on the Pro Life side, but I sure as hell count myself in the corner of the 1st Amendment and academic freedom.
As a Pitt alumni I am ashamed that the admin does nothing to stop these Brownshirts
The last salvation of Universities is the revolt of the Alumi. Time to step up. They only thing adminstrators are judged on. is the growth of the endowment and other donations, to name buildings, and wings and such.
As the Biden administration damages the country, Lefties like jeffsilberman focus on the Trump administration.
Jeff, Trump is in the past.
Focus on the future.
Your current posts are deflection, not reasoning.
Every post makes you look more pathetic.
You are correct in part, but almost all of those responsible for our nations mess were products of our education industry. Until this industry is soundly in the hands of strong-willed conservatives there is no hope for our nation as each generation on out has been poisoned almost from birth with leftist ideology and become future stooges for the left.
Monument says:
“Jeff, Trump is in the past.”
Trump will continue to lie and Trumpism will not die with him. It will be picked up by Don, Jr. It’s a profitable scam.
“Focus on the future.”
I am. A future without Trumpism.
“Your current posts are deflection, not reasoning.”
I’ll try to explain my reasoning more simply so that you can follow it. My apologies.
“Every post makes you look more pathetic.”
Perhaps, I’ll be here long after you have tired and left the blog. The last main standing. As long as not EVERYONE thinks I’m pathetic, that is reason enough to keep on keeping on. You’ll just have to grin and bear it. This is not a Trumpist *safe zone.*
OT: What did Joe Biden say?
“220,000 Americans dead, If you hear nothing else I say tonight, hear this — anyone who is responsible for that many deaths should not remain as President of the United States of America.”
There are now more Covid deaths in 2021 than in 2020.
Bringing us to the present:
Regarding Trump’s travel ban Joe Biden said: “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysterical xenophobia and fear mongering to lead the way instead of science”
“A wall will not stop the coronavirus. Banning all travel from Europe — or any other part of the world — will not stop it,”
On Friday, Joe Biden imposed travel restrictions to South Africa and elsewhere in Africa. Is he racist?
Leftist rhetoric is based on lies followed by violence.
For far too many years I commuted to and from Nigeria for work….four round trips per year….routing via Frankfurt via Lufthansa Airlines from Lagos.
Lufthansa had their own German Government provided Security detail but yet upon arrival in Frankfurt there were always some Nigerians aboard the flight that managed to get there without a valid Passport.
The Germans got smart and stopped them at the foot of the Boarding Ramp…did the Passport Check of the Nigerians….and if they found someone without a Passport….it was turn them around and send them back time.
Today….the US Government is going to tell you that a Covid Test will protect us from some infected person making it into this Country……you want to make a bet on how that shall turn out?
Get ready to see the new variant begin to appear….you can count on it being here already.
The one thing you can certainly count on is government incompetence.
The thugs must be identified and expelled. The University of Pittsburgh must make amends by recompensing the group that was shut down, and by rescheduling a safely run conference.
Finally, Universities that allow mob-cancellation behaviors must lose their accreditation and any federal funding. Sue them.
They also have a reprehensible vaccination policy. What kind of future leaders are they going to churn out if their current ones are toying with authoritarianism?
Prairie,
I thought of you when I learned about the Omicron (B.1.1.529) SARS-CoV-2 Variant of Concern. Given our previous discussions on immunology, the following will help you navigate the news about Omicron
https://www.globalhealth.northwestern.edu/docs/alessandro-sette_presentation-2021_04_12.pdf
The above PDF presentation is based on the following excellent though dense article, same author for both.
https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(21)00007-6
T cell memory is the key, not B cells / antibodies.
If a news article or government promulgation fail to mention T cells, they are misleading and should be ignored.
Thank you, Estovir, for the links. I look forward to reading them!
Estovir,
Thank you again for the links; I have started reading them.
I have been reading about the CD4 cells (and CD8) in relation to SARS-Cov-2 for awhile now, but am glad to revisit the subject (my attention has been divided as of late).
Zinc, unsurprisingly considering its importance to the ER, influences CD4.
“T cell subpopulation studies revealed that the CD4+ CD45RA+ to CD4+ CD45RO+ ratio was decreased as a result of zinc deficiency, suggesting that zinc may be required for the regeneration of new CD4+ T cells.”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9823012/
“MAGT1 deficiency abrogates the Mg(2+) influx, leading to impaired responses to antigen receptor engagement, including defective activation of phospholipase Cγ1 and a markedly impaired Ca(2+) influx in T cells but not B cells. These observations reveal a role for Mg(2+) as an intracellular second messenger coupling cell-surface receptor activation to intracellular effectors”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21796205/
Regarding this last article, magnesium deficiency, rather than just a transporter deficiency, could also impair T cells in this way (not to mention the cell’s ability to even make them, let alone help them function).
B1 (thiamine) is also important for T-cell differentiation in the thymus.
https://www.cell.com/iscience/pdf/S2589-0042(20)30616-7.pdf
Very frustrating. WordPress ate my reply. Now I have to refind my links! I only included two!
Darren, would you be able to see if my post is stuck in the filter?
Nevermind, Darren. 🙂 I guess WordPress was on a weird delay.
Prairie Rose,
You are not vaccinated? Like Turley, I did not hesitate. You advise against the booster?
Jeff,
My vaccination status is not applicable. Their policy is authoritarian and ironic, especially considering the above disruption by students.
When the SS or, in this case, ‘baby killers march using force to censor others, one expects the law to be upheld. If there is no law, it is time to recognize that being polite, though good, will not suffice.
There are two sides to this abortion story, but maybe those willing to kill babies are more willing to use force than those wishing to protect lives or discuss and figure out a way where both sides can come to some agreement.
Violence is a primary trait of the left.
“Violence is a primary trait of the left.”
I disagree. The right can be pretty darned violent when they are so inclined.
That mote can be in anyone’s eye, regardless of their political persuasion.
The right can be pretty darned violent when they are so inclined.
Damned right they can be. However it’s not a primary trait for those on the right like it is for those on the left. Those on the left use it offensively to infringe rights, those on the right use it in defense of rights.
Olly lies:
“Those on the left use it offensively to infringe rights, those on the right use it in defense of rights.”
Including the right to lie with impunity, e.g., the election was stolen by massive fraud. We saw lying Trumpists defending that Big lie on 1/6.
Olly,
“those on the right use it in defense of rights”
No always. Consider the right’s enthusiasm for passing the Patriot Act, for instance.
I don’t remember the numbers, but it was passed in the Senate almost unanimously and bilaterally in the House where the vast majority voted for the Act. There are the civil libertarians from all sides that rightfully worried about the Patriot Act, but they have all disappeared from the Democrat Party and are reappearing on the right.
The left of today has a totalitarian / fascist viewpoint.
You can disagree all you want about primary traits, but first make sure that you have firmly established the difference between the right and the left.
In the 20th century over 100 million people were killed by the left trying to maintain power. I’d like you to name the right-wing groups promoting smaller government, free press, speech and religion, etc. In fact you can focus on one major detail, the size of government and then we can speak.
S. Meyer,
Groups can promote whatever they want. It’s our politicians we have to actually watch. In what way did the right promote smaller government with No Child Left Behind, TARP, or the Patriot Act?
“Groups can promote whatever they want.”
Really? You sound like some of those leftist leaders that let Antifa destroy lives, property and take over parts of cities.
“It’s our politicians we have to actually watch.”
There we agree. As I have stated many times I don’t like either party and do not trust politicians. The best politician to lead in times of peace is a politician that never wanted such power but took it for the sake of his fellow man.
” In what way did the right promote smaller government with:
No Child Left Behind,”
Not all Republicans are good leaders. GWB was wrong. He is a globalist and when it comes to libertarian / conservative views (other than religious)he is a Democrat lite. Then again, you seem to like government intervention preventing children from being educated in charter schools where they learn English and math unlike their sister public schools in NYC where the vast majority fail.
By the way, No Child Left Behind was strongly bipartisan.
“TARP,”
I think this was bipartisan as well, but from Tarp, one can see the dangers of the bureaucracy and a fascist link between corporations and the government. The Ag of TARP wrote a book about how our friends in Congress (left and right ) prevented TARP from being appropriately regulated.
“or the Patriot Act?”
Bipartisan. See earlier comment.
““Groups can promote whatever they want.”
Really? You sound like some of those leftist leaders that let Antifa destroy lives, property and take over parts of cities.”
I don’t like Antifa either. Under the First Amendment, a group can promote whatever it wants short of outright calling for riots and death threats, fires in theaters and things like that. What is fueling such groups? A bad combo of nihilism and hubris? How best to keep people from being radicalized? Banning such commentary will only make it go underground where it can fester more.
“I’d like you to name the right-wing groups promoting smaller government, free press, speech and religion, etc.”
I am glad there are groups out there, such as the Rutherford Institute, that is promoting smaller government and the first amendment. However, our politicians control what actually gets voted into law. I was trying to emphasize that groups do not hold the power; politicians do.
“The best politician to lead in times of peace is a politician that never wanted such power but took it for the sake of his fellow man.”
Hmmm. Actually, I think the best politician to lead in times of strife is a politician that never wanted such power but took it for the sake of his fellow man and then relinquished it. I agree that the best politicians are those who do this generally–not for the sake of power, but for their communities large or small. This attitude is most important in times of strife, though, because too easily can power be corrupted and entrenched in trying times.
“I don’t like Antifa either. Under the First Amendment, a group can promote whatever it wants short of outright calling for riots and death threats, fires in theaters and things like that. What is fueling such groups? A bad combo of nihilism and hubris? How best to keep people from being radicalized? Banning such commentary will only make it go underground where it can fester more.”
Prairie, You just proved ‘Groups CANNOT promote whatever they want.’ There are limitations to the First Amendment.
“I am glad there are groups out there, such as the Rutherford Institute,”
That is not an in-context answer. The discussion was a week ago.
I said: “Violence is a primary trait of the left.”
You said: “The right can be pretty darned violent”
I asked you to name those groups on the right that were violent and met the criteria mentioned above. The Rutherford meets the requirements, but they aren’t violent.
S. Meyer,
“Then again, you seem to like government intervention preventing children from being educated in charter schools where they learn English and math unlike their sister public schools in NYC where the vast majority fail.”
“I think this was bipartisan as well, but from Tarp, one can see the dangers of the bureaucracy and a fascist link between corporations and the government.”
Charter schools should be not be making money off taxpayers who had no say in how their tax dollars are being spent.
NYC is a ginormous school district and should be broken up into manageable bits. It seems to me the “school board” in NYC is too divorced from the people they is supposed to be serving. The districts should be small enough that you are likely to know a school board member from church or encounter them in the grocery store.
School districts should be run by the community via their elected representatives. Government is supposed to be of the people, by the people, for the people. It sounds to me like the so-called school board “governance” in NYC is not really effectively any of these things.
“Charter schools should be not be making money off taxpayers who had no say in how their tax dollars are being spent.”
How much more of a say do you have when roads are built and you don’t even know where they are. Charter schools have greater contact with the users and the community. People vote with their feet.
“NYC is a ginormous school district and should be broken up into manageable bits. “
1)Tell me how that would work in the South Bronx. 2)Whose money would be paying for the school, South Bronx or elsewhere?
A better argument would be that the taxpayer shouldn’t pay for schools at all. in NYC I am not saying that is my choice, rather that makes more sense based on the idea of educating students in today’s world where in certain areas the vast majority graduate without proficiency in math and English. Maybe that money saved could be given to the parents as a subsidy to spend on their children.
Professor Turley, Here’s an example of a Cambridge professor, Arif Ahmed, helping to secure a victory for the liberal value of free speech against the authoritarian Left in Britain. You may want to use your influence to highlight this rare victory.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/11/26/how-we-uncancelled-jordan-peterson/
One of the foundational components of mind control is limiting information. If that cannot be done, the manipulator attacks the source of information, ridicules and marginalizes the source. Next, categories are created, given names and people are labeled by these categories. The mindless participant gives little thought or consideration to a matter but rather reacts mindlessly. Be damned if a person does not fit their label. These methods are textbook psychological black operations.,
If a university professor discovers evidence that refutes an accepted “scientific” dogma, they do so at great risk to their career. Funding will dry up, they will not be appointed to committees and ridicule will begin. Many secretly hold views contrary to the narrative. Those who dare cross convention’s bounds must do so with a prepared mind and a willingness to face strong resistance. University politics is blood sport.
Canceling students and academics by shouting them down, ridiculing them, labeling them is one step away from Jonestown and a bit closer to Orwell’s 1984. The organizers of such “protests” appear to be afraid of the real truth, the whole truth.
E.M. says:
“If that cannot be done, the manipulator attacks the source of information, ridicules and marginalizes the source.”
Like Trumpists cancelling Liz Cheney for her speaking the real truth about Trump and his continuing the Big Lie?
“Next, categories are created, given names and people are labeled by these categories.”
Like Trumpists labeling Liz Cheney a “RINO”?
“The mindless participant gives little thought or consideration to a matter but rather reacts mindlessly.”
Like the “Hang Mike Pence” chants by the mindless Trumpists and Q-Anon cultists on 1/6?
“Like Trumpists cancelling Liz Cheney for her speaking the real truth about Trump and his continuing the Big Lie?“
Losing a position in a party because too many people disagree with a former leader is not cancelling. You frequently admit to not knowing what you are talking about, so I will assume this is one of those times.
The funny thing is Silberman believes crying Trumpists, or the big lie, will somehow make people forget Biden, the Democrats and the biggest lie in American history…the Trump-Russia collusion hoax. Their lying is a work of Hunter Biden art.
Free and open debate exposes the intellectual vacuum of leftist agenda, and principles.
The left cannot withstand any challenge or examination. That’s why all the tech giants censor facts, and warp all the information to shape a narrative. That’s why casual consumer of the news thought the thugs killed by Rittenhouse were Black.
Turley often declares some item is decisive. Dividing the Nation. When in fact, a very vocal, and violent minority are the only dissenters. The propaganda media and tech overlords driving the false narrative.
When someone or a group tries to shut down speech it only shows their fear that THEIR ideology may be wrong and they can’t handle that. They are basically bullies and bullies are weak minded fools.
They are still brownshirts regardless of what they call themselves today
Whig,
As bad as the Brownshirts were beating up Communists in the streets, at least they were not as murderous as the Black-shirted Nazis. If Leftists are the former, you lying Trumpists will become the latter.
I’m for free speech but not sure why this conference even belongs on a college campus.
It belongs on a college campus because colleges are where scientists are (theoretically) educated, and because of the tremendous medical and philosophical ethics issues involved.
Pitt is involved in a controversy right now regarding fetal tissue research. The charge was made and is being investigated by the PA state assembly, that Pitt researchers sewed the scalps of aborted fetuses onto the backs of lab rats. I have no idea if the charge is true, but the charge and the investigation have spurred interest in debate. It makes sense that those who oppose abortion would want to, at a minimum, discuss the matter. But I am a free speech absolutist. I have no problem with abortion, but would have attended such a conference just to hear the arguments. I’m a 34 year veteran of Pitt’s faculty. I would not be welcome there any longer under current notions of what constitutes free speech.
Mary Ann,
Excellent post!
I just saw that Pitt is in the accreditation process with Middle States for the 2022 cycle. I think the cutoff for comments from the community of interest was 21 October 2021. The link for comments appears to be active, though I doubt they will be consider further entries. They state in Standard 1.2, the Institutional Mission and Priorities, in the Self Study (one of several bullet points) the following: “engage in research, artistic, and scholarly activities that advance learning through the extension of the frontiers of knowledge and creative endeavor;”
https://www.provost.pitt.edu/middle-states-accreditation
The language on inclusion, beginning on page 34 of the Self Study seems reasonable unless it actually excludes a community (especially one that is prepared for factual debate) with a different point of view from the administration and from those who have control of these events, which appears to be the case. These are troubling times for academic institutions, faculty and students. I am not sure what it will take to remedy this contagion.
By your lights, just what determines the propriety of topics in education?
Because the subject of baby-killing is one that interests some students and some others and attracts respected speakers. (I’m thinking you would not question whether those who peddle pro-abortion information on Pitt’s campus, whether in a forum or in Planned “Parenthood” brochures/posters, belong there.)
Maybe because that’s where a lot of fetal tissue research is carried out? Science actually does belong on campus — although, not for long if the totalitarian left has its way.
“Absent enforcement of school rules on such disruptions, there is little hope for the open exchange of ideas and a diversity of opinions on campus.”
The proper question is why no enforcement of the Rules and Policies when this kind of thing happens?
If the School authorities acted and took effective action against those violating the Rules and Policies….up to and including removing them from University property and then upon the required Hearing….BAN them from College or University Property and expulsion from study at that school….noting shall change.
That requires Leftists to demand compliance to established Rules and Policies re Free Speech….Rules that were written back in a time when Rules were enacted to. protect Free Speech.
So lets ask and answer the question…..why no enforcement of the Rules and Policies that protect and encourage free speech?
Answer that Professor Turley….don’t just be a drone lamenting the Leftist Agenda to ban any speech it does not agree with.
Better yet….take on some Legal Action against those guilty of violating Free Speech Rules at a university…..starting at say…..GWU.
Ralph Chappell,
“ So lets ask and answer the question…..why no enforcement of the Rules and Policies that protect and encourage free speech?”
The better question should be, “what do the rules of that particular school say?”
Are they really enforceable? Most school policies are merely expectations of students. There are my enforcement mechanisms for such disruptive behavior. Let’s not forget that even the act of shouting down a speaker or group is speech. It’s oftentimes just a matter of being louder. It may be rude and obnoxious or disruptive, but it’s still the type of tactic Turley often cites as a means to counter “bad” speech.
Sprec frei or forever hold your piece. I.e. your AK 47. Or your dong
The Left in this country has devolved into a gang of thugs and must be dealt with accordingly.
Wiseoldlawyer says:
The Left must be “dealt with accordingly.”
Again with the veiled threats. What he means is death because he knows that is the only way to stop the Leftist “gang of thugs” as he calls them. How else do you stop thugs but to kill them in self-defense? They are not going anywhere. You can’t put them all in prison. They are not going to stop opposing Trumpists at every turn.
Spell out “accordingly.”
JS:
Here let me help. I think it involves arresting, prosecuting and incarcerating thugs like this. Personally, I’d prefer they get there arses beaten first but I can live with less than perfect justice.
“Their” for “there”
Mespo,
In your perfect world, your thugs would beat the crap out of these hecklers. Thanks for the clarification. I’m sure your solution would make Turley proud of you.
JS:
In my perfect world, these anti-civilizationers would be ostracized for a first offense then ultimately banished to some place like Easter Island for serial fools. Food and water dropped in once a week weather permitting and a blanket disruption of cellphone access. We could set up cameras to watch the Lord of the Flies conclusion. I’m guessing “nasty, brutish and short.” But that’s just me … and 2 million years of human experience with those who “just want to watch the world burn.”
I always thought San Clemente Island would be the perfect location. The Navy uses it for target practice. Put them on there with the pedophiles and the gangbangers causing carnage in major American cities.
In my perfect world, these anti-civilizationers would be ostracized for a first offense then ultimately banished to some place like Easter Island for serial fools.
But that would leave us with a legal blog with no trolls, no agitprop, no constant insults, lies, Saul Alinsky tactics and an otherwise clean, respectful, academic blog. Whatever would we do with THAT?!
Simple question Jeff, do you support the goons that disrupt a college event because they disagree wit it? Try actually dealing with the subject at hand for a change. My opinion is kids that act this way should be expelled, but only kids on the right will be punished. If a group of Israel supporters shut down a Palestinian speech what would happen?
And any forum with speakers and attendees supporting Israel would experience the same kind of misbehavior! Similar to what the thugs/mob did to thwart a civil and academic discussion about “research” possibly abusing the tissue of babies who had been killed in abortions..
HullBobby,
I’m not for interrupting private speeches no matter the content. After the speech, I’m all for ignoring, shaming, disassociating, shunning, ostracizing and possibly firing the speaker from their job if they discredit the organization to which he belongs. I believe in holding people accountable for their reprehensible speech.
“Spell out “accordingly.”
Jeff needs a roadmap. He claims non-violence but is armchair willing to support the violence with silence while criticizing anyone who wishes to use any degree of force to stop the violence.
His logic and intellectual abilities are based on TDS seen in virtually every response he provides.
Jeff’s type approves of violence as long as no blood splatters on his body.
Again with the veiled threats.
Just because you imagine the Leftist’s disrupting these events deserve to no longer exist, does not mean that’s what Wiseoldlawyer meant. No, just give them the Jan. 6 treatment. It won’t take long before they fold like a cheap suit.
Olly,
Since Trumpists have made Kyle a hero among them, we can anticipate their bringing guns to future melees a la Jan 6.
It would not surprise me in the least that there will be many more killings asserted in self-defense.
It would not surprise me in the least that there will be many more killings asserted in self-defense.
Well, you do know your American Marxists. As long as they are on the attack, you can count on American Patriots to defend their lives, liberty and property.
Olly,
Don’t flatter yourself. When the history of this time is finally written, you and your lying Trumpists will not be recorded in those schoolbooks as “American Patriots,” but rather, as “American Nazis.”
I dobhope you live long enough to witness it.
American Nazis…Bwahahahahaha!
Good luck writing that fiction.
American Marxists…Already written and #1 best selling non-fiction.
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Maybe it would be a bad idea to start a melee then.
Exactly. We have allowed the production of generations of damaged citizens whose “re-education” would not be worth the effort required. Just what do you do to contain their poisonous nature while reinvigorating our nation?
Gee … It took until the 6th line in this FOOLish post to mention President Trump. You are slipping J/S!
Thetennants,
Thanks for pointing that out. I am slipping.
JS — who says comedy is dead! So you interpret “dealt with accordingly” as calling for death; and, of course, all the people not in the fascist group are “Trumpists.” How nice to have life be so uncomplicated, and black & white. No need to deal with nuance and gray areas. No need to actually think.
“So you interpret “dealt with accordingly” as calling for death . . .”
That’s his MO. He intentionally misrepresents a person’s comment, in order to smear them. He’s as dishonest as they come.